Israel Under Attack From Land And Air - State Of War Declared.

I thought Jarrod Kushner brought peace to the middle east? Oh right, not where it actually mattered.

LOL. one reply. Kudos.

Hold me, דָּוִד‎!

Richard, I will not have Israel and Palestine at war in the middle of the night. It's very lower-middle class.

There's one video of a naked Israeli girl being driven around in the back of at truck while Palestinian men spit on her body.

Summary executions, rapes, bodies mutilated.

That's what "From the river to the sea" means. Dead jews,

Religion has a lot to answer for.

Suicide mission writ large. Insane.

Some of the images and videos on Reddit are unbelievable and too gruesome to post here. It is going to be a long and bloody day. God help them all.

I’m tired of this drama. It’s the same never-ending shit. Neither side wants “peace”.

I agree with R9, at this point all I say is who cares. But of course, now Israel will expect us to hand over billions in aid and support.

IDGAF

That part of the world is exhausting.

The NYTs is still reporting 22 dead. From videos being posted, hundreds have to have been killed, civilians and soldiers. What a catastrophe.

We can't speak about this topic on DL so I won't.

I figured Bibi was just in this for the grift, now he has to rise to compete with Golda, now in theaters.

I'm sorry to say it but the fault of this lands at the feet of many years of Israeli leaders, especially Benjamin Netanyahu. Israel has been stoking the anger of Palestinians for decades and now the Palestinians have had enough.

Remember, the men murdering old people at bus stops, driving their cars into children and stabbing pregnant women hate gays as much as they hate Jews.

R16 You cannot reason with the gay Islamapologists. It's a mental disorder.

[quote]I'm sorry to say it but the fault of this lands at the feet of many years of Israeli leaders, especially Benjamin Netanyahu. Israel has been stoking the anger of Palestinians for decades and now the Palestinians have had enough.

And if all those men hadn't had unprotected sex they wouldn't have died of AIDS 🤷‍♀️

[quote] Israel has been stoking the anger of Palestinians for decades

Rather, Netanyahu has been steadily marginalizing the moderates on both sides, building up Hamas and its allies as the only alternative to his radical rightist coalition.

Bibi loves this. Israel is in trouble- from within.

Who is doing this attacl? Did alien warships descend?

Did R19 and R20 shrug at 9/11 as well? Because civilians are civilians are civilians,

I read about this on Reddit last night and hoped it was just a rumor.

The MSM thinks everyone is watching it. They are showing the same nonsense. I doubt anyone is watching. The news is being posted on X and Reddit and other sites, inflaming and inspiring. I fear for an escalation and spreading of this violence around the globe.

I’ve seen some horrific videos - home invasions, shooting civilians in the street, taking the corpses of women to use for sex, kidnapping women, western sympathy for Palestine is about to be severely depleted and the counterattack will likely be like nothing we’ve seen before - I have no idea where this is going to go, geopolitics is such a mess already w the Ukraine conflict and Taiwan tensions now this.

No worries, Big Joe Biden can broker a peace deal.

More than half of the Palestinian people in the world are stateless and this has been the case for 75 years.

Without a viable sovereign state in which Palestinians can be equal citizens, there will never be peace in the region. And for a viable sovereign state to even be possible, the West Bank settlements have to go.

This is a very basic and obvious truth which everyone knows but no Western government will acknowledge in plain terms. So instead we're going to get more slaughter, then another ceasefire and more can-kicking.

Now we know how that 6 billion Joe gave Iran was spent.

[QUOTE] The MSM thinks everyone is watching it. They are showing the same nonsense. I doubt anyone is watching.

Honey it's 8AM on Saturday morning. Most queens are still unconscious from a wild night out.

This is a like a pogrom on Israeli soil. This is going to have huge, horrific repercussions.

Fox News is barely covering it. They’re doing their usual silly memes on Fox & Friends that are designed to stoke outrage among the MAGAs.

R27 is deluded if he thinks Palestinians will ever tolerate Jews living in the region

R32 has never met a Palestinian and has also never left Ohio.

[quote]Bibi loves this. Israel is in trouble- from within.

Sad but true. Right-wing warmongers can stay in power forever thanks to stuff like this.

ConcernedEuropean is a moron who thinks that Jeremy Corbyn is a good idea which is very, very on brand for antisemitism..

Is Concerned European watching the videos of dead bodies being paraded in Gaza as people spit on them and having a wank?

BBC chyron:

Hamas says it has launched 7000 rockets from the Gaza Strip into Israel

R35 Hi Stalker! I see you still badly need to get laid.

Bibi paid Hamas to do these attacks. It's how Bibi is going to stay in power.

Nobody noticed they were making all those rockets? Where was Israeli intelligence, or for that matter, the CIA?

This isn't how Bibi stays in power. He is done now.

R41, I agree. The failure of the Israeli (and US and European) intelligence agencies to see this coming in any way, shape or form is the most unbelievable part of this whole event. I guess the internet and telecommunications are not under such great surveillance after all.

Agreed R43 — that’s being discussed on CNN right now.

Also being discussed by Stavridis on MSNBC

R5, That’s hot!

[quote]Did [R19] and [R20] shrug at 9/11 as well? Because civilians are civilians are civilians,

Not sure where you're seeing a "shrug." Netanyahu has spent his career cynically marginalizing moderates, making his own radical, corrupt, antidemocratic coalition seem the only alternative to the terrorist brutes on the Palestinian side. He's the one who shrugs off civilian deaths and mayhem as collateral damage.

Bibi stoked and created the most divisive politics in decades. He positioned himself as the protector of Israel and yet this happened on his watch.

He's old, arrogant, corrupt and now incompetent. This is on him.

Uh-oh, CNN has trotted out Jewish elder Wolf Blitzer to ramp up coverage of this crisis! (turns down TV volume to save eardrums from his yelling)

[quote]Bibi stoked and created the most divisive politics in decades. He positioned himself as the protector of Israel and yet this happened on his watch.

Yes, so why anyone thinks this works to his benefit is beyond me.

[quote]Uh-oh, CNN has trotted out Jewish elder Wolf Blitzer to ramp up coverage of this crisis! (turns down TV volume to save eardrums from his yelling)

MSNBC has Muslims Ali Velshi and Ayman Moyhledin covering it.

[QUOTE] Honey it's 8AM on Saturday morning. Most queens are still unconscious from a wild night out.

The suburban "assimilated" queens are up, working on their flower beds. Ted and Dirk.

R43, in the past few months, there's been a concern that Hezbollah (Iran's formidable terrorist organization, headquartered in Lebanon) was working in Israeli-controlled territory. Traditionally Israeli intelligence found Hezbollah difficult to penetrate.

Netanyahu is shit.

Concerned European at R27, if it hadn't been for the European genocide of the Jews, Israel would not have had to be created. Many leftist and marxist European aren't quite yet done with the Jews, are they? You included.

Girls, girls, you’re BOTH genocidal death cults

Hold me, Bibi.

Apparently Hamas has captured Nimrod Almoni, the Israeli Commander in charge of the Depth Corps, responsible for coordinating operations deep in enemy territory.

2 possibilities here:

--Israel orchestrated this or allowed it to happen. War makes that country unify.

or

--Mossad is a complete joke now. They were photographed in a hotel in Dubai a few years ago, and now they miss this?

Are US evangelicals pissing themselves for joy? Isn't war in Israel a harbinger of the End Times and return of Jesus Christ himself?

This part of the world should have been turned into a parking lot half a century ago.

Leave israel alone, palestine muslims hate gays.

R55 Oh man, I sense you are up all night on Twitter most nights. Perhaps google who actually won the war in Europe and stopped the genocide of the Jews, eh?.

Both Israelis and Palestinians have the right to be citizens of a sovereign state. That's where the solution has to start.

R29, I think you're vastly overestimating how often DLers leave the house.

Multiple accounts of women and girls being kidnapped and taken to Gaza.

Meanwhile lots of European fringe leftists are celebrating this.

How many gorgeous cut cocks will be lost in battle?

Anscher thread — the crazy is up to 11 here.

[QUOTE] Without a viable sovereign state in which Palestinians can be equal citizens, there will never be peace in the region. And for a viable sovereign state to even be possible, the West Bank settlements have to go.

No world body/power will EVER get those settlements out of the West Bank R27. Israel is expensive to live in and it depends on those settlements (which are cheaper to live in) to spread and offload population.

[quote]Apparently Hamas has captured Nimrod Almoni,

Who names their kid Nimrod?

How long before the MAGA evangelicals and Bibi try to pull us into this mess?

Be careful in your daily routine, everyone.

R66, Please spare this one.

What about the option of turning Ukraine into the world's second Zionist state?

[QUOTE] Be careful in your daily routine, everyone.

I'll be sure to walk everywhere in a crouched position from now on, Mary.

There's no way Israel didn't know this was coming.

"The attack comes at a time of historic division within Israel over Netanyahu’s proposal to overhaul the judiciary. Mass protests over the plan have sent hundreds thousands of Israeli demonstrators into the streets and prompted hundreds of military reservists to avoid volunteer duty — turmoil that has raised fears over the military’s battlefield readiness and raised concerns about its deterrence over its enemies.

It comes at a time of mounting tensions between Israel and the Palestinians. Over the past year Israel’s far-right government has ramped up settlement construction in the occupied West Bank, Israeli settler violence has displaced hundreds of Palestinians there, and tensions have flared around a flashpoint Jerusalem holy site.

My elderly MAGA Christian relatives will be breaking out the non-alcoholic champagne at this news. I’ve always wondered why they would care so much, since at 80 years old you’re going to meet Jesus soon enough anyway. I guess they want a front row seat to Armageddon before checking out.

[quote]Who names their kid Nimrod?

It's a name from the Bible. It means is mighty tyrant or skilled hunter. In the United States, the popularization of "nimrod" to mean buffoon can be traced to the Looney Tunes. Bugs Bunny calls Elmer Fudd a nimrod—ie, a skilled hunter—sarcastically, so he's actually calling him an idiot.

I think this meaning of the word is largely confined to North America.

[quote]There's no way Israel didn't know this was coming.

So true. You’d have to completely incompetent and utterly stupid to have no knowledge of an incoming terorist attack of this scale.

R63, your sense is wrong, Genocidal Concerned European. In every country the Germans occupied, the native population gladly participated in the genocide, except for Denmark. When you refer to the victors, do mean the communists? The same country that killed 10s of millions of its own people with millions more enslaved? Uncle Joe's genocidal accomplishments were out done only by Chairman Mao's. Each of those two alone killed millions more than Adolf.

[quote]I'll be sure to walk everywhere in a crouched position from now on, Mary.

Not to worry; you are out of harm's way living under that bridge in Dog Patch, USA. Keep giggling.

Sorry, but Palestinians lost all claims to the West Bank when they attacked Israel decades ago.

Netyanu is a war criminal and a corrupt politician. Probably has a stash of gold bars around his house too.

I just saw a horrific video on Reddit. Some animals putting some poor young woman in a car. Omg, that poor girl.

R78. I see you live in New York City. Are you sure you want to have a pissing contest about countries founded on genocide? I'll play if you will.

R80 Sorry, Israel lost all claims to the West Bank because it never had a legitimate claim to the West Bank.

The biggest change to Israel's frontiers came in 1967, when the conflict known as the Six Day War left Israel in occupation of the Sinai peninsula, the Gaza Strip, the West Bank, East Jerusalem and most of the Syrian Golan Heights - effectively tripling the size of territory under Israel's control. Israel effectively annexed East Jerusalem - claiming the whole of the city as its capital - and the Golan Heights. These moves were not recognised by the international community, until the US changed its official position on the matter under the Trump administration, becoming the first major power to do so. Overwhelmingly, international opinion continues to consider East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights as occupied territory.

Thanks R76, really nice piece of trivia. A reminder that Loony Tunes was often quite highbrow.

How can you negotiate or rationalize with people who applaud putting bombs on the back of the mentally disabled? They're given BILLIONS every year from the international community. Yet, they don't build any infrastructure such as hospitals, schools, water treatment plants, etc?

How can you negotiate with people who use remote-controlled drones to incinerate children and the elderly without even a warning?

Oh wait, that's you guys.

R84, are you saying that Israel should have given up land that it captured in a war that it did not start? So if Ukraine took back Crimea in a war that the Russians started, should they give it back if the international community says so?

I feel a lot of sympathy for the Palestinians, but their collective inability to acknowledge and respect Israel’s right to exist by is why this continues to rage. These attacks on Israel lead to the oppression of Palestinians that is difficult to defend if the population was peaceful.

After today, peace of a Palestinian state is nearly impossible for centuries if ever. Which seems to be exactly what Hamas and Netanyahu want..

[quote]Now we know how that 6 billion Joe gave Iran was spent.

Tell us you're a consumer of right-wing Twitter without telling us.

Another war, people just don't learn.

The United States currently does not have an ambassador to Israel due to GOP obstruction

[quote] Those who signed the letter were: Claudia Tenney Elise Stefanik of New York, Max Miller of Ohio, Doug Lamborn of Colorado, Christopher Smith of New Jersey, Carol Miller of Virginian Kat Cammack of Florida and Mark Green of Tennessee.

[quote]I just saw a horrific video on Reddit. Some animals putting some poor young woman in a car. Omg, that poor girl.

Hamas have been rounding up women to take to Gaza as hostages, The bodies of men they've killed were paraded still clothed, but the young woman was spat on.

They don't want peace.

[quote]Hamas have been rounding up women to take to Gaza as hostages, The bodies of men they've killed were paraded still clothed, but the young woman was spat on.

Should read: the body of the young woman being spat on had been stripped,.

but BOTH SIDES!

R83, I'm not going after Native Americans while you're still going after Jews.

Team Israel. They’re a lot more tolerant and don’t hate gays and women

Go get em, Israel! Push them into the sea.

The islamic conquest continues. Jihad is forever.

R94 I said that Palestinians have the right to be citizens of a sovereign state. As do Israelis, of course.

Interesting that you interpret that statement as 'going after Jews'. You would make a good settler.

The history of Israel has always been troubled since the place they claimed for a country was already occupied by Palestinians. My sympathies are with Israel because a safe haven for Jews was badly needed and they had historical roots there. I just think better accommodation or compensation for the Palestinian people should have been found.

Juliette Kayyem:

To call this an intelligence failure is too simple. Every single piece of defense -- air, land, water -- failed. It is inexplicable to those of us who have worked with them or know their capacity.

Concerned European

[quote]More than half of the Palestinian people in the world are stateless and this has been the case for 75 years.

This is an artificial condition enabled by the United Nations through UNWRA. Lebanon will not let people of Palestinian origin buy land.

[quote] are you saying that Israel should have given up land that it captured in a war that it did not start?

Yup. That's what the UN is saying too, Resolution 242. Territory gained by war cannot be annexed, doesn't matter who 'starts' it. We're not 3rd graders.

Preamble: "inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war and the need to work for a just and lasting peace in the Middle East in which every State in the area can live in security"

(i) Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict; (ii) Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force."[4]

has anyone checked with the court on this issue?

[quote]Team Israel. They’re a lot more tolerant and don’t hate gays and women

Unfortunately the current Israeli government is completely the opposite: proudly intolerant of homosexuality and against equality for women. Massive numbers of Israelis have been protesting against the corrupt rightwing government for months, but so far to no avail.

R101

R102 The Palestinians don't need to go and buy land in Lebanon. All that is required is for the world's governments to formally recognise the Palestinian Authority as the State of Palestine, on its 1967 borders, pending possible future negotiation, which would then be between two sovereign and equal states.

There is absolutely no reason to oppose this - unless of course you believe that Israel should exercise military control over the West Bank in perpetuity while all the time expanding its settler land grab.

Settlers on the rampage 2023.

"We also see continued violations of international humanitarian law in the Occupied Palestinian Territories, including evictions and demolitions. On Friday 17 August, Israel demolished a West Bank Protection Consortium school in Ein Samiya. The continued demolition of Palestinian property and the evictions by Israeli authorities from their homes are contrary to international humanitarian law, it renders Palestinians at risk of forcible transfer, and causes unnecessary suffering to ordinary Palestinians. This is harmful to the peace process. Israel must also urgently provide a clear, transparent route to construction for Palestinians in Area C."

R101, Concerned European isn't a right wing Nazi with a base and guttural hatred of Jews because they're inferior, he's a left wing snobbish self identifying intellectual antisemite, a man whose life experience has given him cause to think Jews and Israel should be treated differently to white Europeans, Arabs, Africans, Asians etc, and who believes in the same historic tropes about Jews.

He has the kind of white supremacist ideology that treating Jews differently is punching UP, and that Palestinians/other Muslim nations should be held to a lower standard because they're Muslims.

R108 quite something when even the UK's hard-right, asylum seekers to Rwanda government feels compelled to make that statement.

Good

I hate Israel

R109 It's exactly the opposite actually. I've said multiple times in this very thread that the Palestinians and the Israelis should be treated equally: meaning that they both have an absolute and equal right to self-determination, and to be citizens of a sovereign state.

That would be the opposite of what you think. You want the Palestinians to be treated differently to Europeans, Africans, Israelis etc because you want them condemned to statelessness in perpetuity. That is the racist position here.

Pretty much everything else you've said about me are things you've projected onto me (and thanks for giving me a clue to what some of your feelings of inadequacy are about).

Palestinians would quickly take the modern state Israelis have built and turn it into another third world shithole.

The expected leveling of Gaza begins. Medicine Sans Frontiers reports that a doctor and nurse have been killed after Israeli air strikes on 2 hospitals. Two hundred Palestinians killed in one report.

But, what about Bowman pulling the fire alarm?

R113 Actually, R109 was quite correct in his assessment.

R114 Correct.

R106, you really think I watch The View? I have no clue who that is. Sad that you do.

Bombing the Palestinians in Gaza has never worked in the past to prevent future attacks. Why would it this time? Does anyone on either side even care how many innocent people are killed or have their homes & communities destroyed? How will there ever be an end to this?

"Bombing the Palestinians in Gaza has never worked in the past to prevent future attacks."

Dunno and don't care.

Revenge is a good-enough excuse.

It’s friggin Shemini Atzaret and my employee there is shomer Shabbos so all her electronics off and I’m freaking out.

(Also fuck Jim Jordan and all of those ass clowns who don’t take their responsibilities seriously)

What's weird is that it sounds like Israel was asleep at the switch.

They keep talking about this massive intelligence snafu on the part of the Israelis. What if Trump tipped off someone?

What are the safest cities in Israel? Gaza always seemed to be in the news for tension. How did they get Israelis to live there?

"What if Trump tipped off someone?"

Who? Hamas?

is this serious?

I know they've had all kinds of wars in the past. How does this attack rank? in terms of scale?

I thought Israel had high tech spy shit that could hack into any cell phone in the world? how could they not know?

Unless the bad guys went low tech and used snail mail etc

Some diaspora Palestineans are Christians driven out by Muslim Arabs.

R127, it was a complex, three-stage attack coming from multiple directions. To the general public, this is shocking, because it is so advanced.

There are unsourced Twitter rumors that the Israeli Army had been unable to get Netanyahu to focus on the probability of such an attack.

[quote] Some diaspora Palestineans are Christians driven out by Muslim Arabs.

Oh fuck off. They were driven out by the Israeli occupation and you know it.

There are plenty of Christian Palestinians still there.

Saudi Arabia funds Hamas so yeah Trump

R105 is correct. Anyone sayng "Team Israel" because of its supposed great love of gays is not only unable to understand that homophobia or homophilia has absolutwly nothing to do with this.

This attack only benefits the criminal Netanyahu and his ultra-right-wing (and yes, homophobic) new government. This is another George Bush 9/11 moment for Bibi the crook.

[quote] is this serious?

Hard to say, serious for whom? The last time Israel was this 'surprised' was in 1973 when Jordan attacked. They will probably kill a LOT of Palestinians before the dust settles, on the Palestinians.

On the other hand, the 'world' will do nothing except for some impotent complaining by the Arab states that Israel's response is disproportionate.

[quote]This attack only benefits the criminal Netanyahu and his ultra-right-wing (and yes, homophobic) new government.

My administration is responsible for the worst security failure in the history of our great nation. Vote for me in the next election!

War is often a great friend to struggling political leaders, historically seaking.

*speaking

War and internal struggles are often seized upon by crooks like Bibi.

So true. Wag the Dog.

A lot of people have absorbed the ‘open air prison’ myth about Gaza and seeing the footage of Gazans filming each other killing defenceless children, the elderly, going door to door to murder people will make people think ‘maybe they need to be in prison’, which strengthens Hamas.

Sadly, it's the Israelis who were fighting against Netanyahu's corrupt right-wing government who have the most to lose, after, of course, the Palestinians.

R140 You forgot throwing babies out of incubators Bibi

FUCK YOU ISRAEL!!!!

MSNBC has been providing coverage that is more balanced and contextualized. People who actually live in Israel expressed great skepticism that this would benefit Netanyahu, which surprised Ali Velshi.

[quote] People who actually live in Israel expressed great skepticism that this would benefit Netanyahu

I would love to believe this is true but historically, this is not the case that an attack within a country's borders does not strengthen the position of that country's leader in mobolizing power around him.

President Biden to make a statement at 2:30 PM ET.

How on earth was Hamas able to occupy THE ENTIRE TERRITORY OF GAZA plus some???

[quote]People who actually live in Israel expressed great skepticism that this would benefit Netanyahu

Because Netanyahu sold his extreme policies as a way to keep Israelis safe. Obviously, he has failed miserably.

Oppression causes dysfunction leads to corruption?

Also Netanyahu’s policies led to the boycott of military service.

My birthday will be spoiled!

You DGAF, R11?

Then get the fuck off this thread.

Looking on the bright side-the stress from all this will cause Jewish seniorcitizens on the Upper West Side of NYC to have fatal heart attacks and strokes, making their splendid and large apartments finally available for the Chinrse to buy.

This attack reminds me of Tet 1968. This today attack was really well done. They don’t use cell phones. Electronic surveillance is borderline useless. And there does not seem to be a Little Drummer Girl inside H working as a spy.

I realize that most of you draft dodging pacifist are wondering what the fuck Tet 1968 was :-)

How long will it be before we hear calls on Israel to show restraint or cries that their response is "disproportionate"?

And yet another anti-Semitic asshole enters the thread at R152.

R145, that is what usually happens. But Netanyahu's political existence is based on the idea that he with him in charge things would be "managed," that something like this would not be possiblee.

Honey R153, most Dataloungers weren't even born when the draft ended, much less have been around during the Tet offensive.

R157 MOST? Are you sure about that?

Maybe not most, R158. I'd say there's a large segment of DL that's eldergay. But older does not necessarily make one wiser, dear--case in point: Kevin Sessums.

Can Hamas inflict more damage or are they already spent?

With luck no US naval ships flying a large American flag will be attacked over and over again killing American sailors.

Joe at this very moment in time coming off as presidential . Strong and clear This crisis is an opportunity.

[This crisis is an opportunity.]

It certainly is for Bibi.

[quote]Concerned European isn't a right wing Nazi with a base and guttural hatred of Jews

Oh, dear. That's not what "guttural" means.

Do you happen to live in California and have really skinny legs?

Young people enjoying a musical festival, a young woman screaming as she's taken away by a men with guns, her friends taken hostage as well.

Her brutal gang rape will be filmed no doubt and shared by anti Zionists worldwide.

R160 I was wondering the same thing. Is there a bigger plan here or just an aimless, morning killing spree?

All that death and destruction on both sides and for what? Land and religion.

And, as per usual, most of the people killed will be normal civilians who'd rather just get on with their lives than be statistics in an ever continuing war.

Yes, the civilians suffer the most. Every time a war breaks out, I fear it will spread.

R166, clearly Hamas wants to swap hostages. The attack may undermine Israel's attempts to establish relationships with various Arab countries, which would benefit Iran. The psychological damage to Israel, of course, is enormous.

Biden shits on Hamas just now.

lol AOC

Men celebrated on the streets of London, waving flags, car horns, dancing in the street

Drop dead, R143.

Bad news for Ukraine. Repubs will demand funding be cut in order to aid Israel.

[quote] How long will it be before we hear calls on Israel to show restraint or cries that their response is "disproportionate"?

Well, it's a pretty high bar Israel has set for itself. Operation Cast Lead in Gaza killed 1,444 Palestinians, mostly civilians.

"The Israeli fatality count from Cast Lead totaled three civilians and ten soldiers (four of them from friendly fire), which put the ratio of Palestinian civilian to Israeli civilian deaths at 400:1. Predictably, however, Israel unfurled its signature brand of criminal illogic to claim the role of victim, portraying itself as under attack from Hamas rockets despite the negligible damage inflicted."

But I thought Jared Kushner fixed everything and achieved Mid-East peace?

He was just as effective as Kamala Harris was with the southern border.

Gaza needs to be razed to the ground.

What kind of Intelligence did Trump and Jared sell to the Saudis?

You can bet this is just the first of many attacks. The fucking goat fucking Saudis didn’t give Kushner two fucking BILLION for nothing.

That smarmy motherfucker sold EVERYONE out.

It's reported that dozens of young people were slaughtered at a rave.

R143 “Fuck Israel?” There were attacked you moron.

In reality, Hamas is going to get fucked and it’s already started.

Hamas is going to get lots of Palestinian citizens killed. And it will be Hamas’s fault.

R119 I’m sure this is more your style.

“Elders of Zion' Gets New Life on Egyptian TV.”

It won't be just Hamas. Israel will level Gaza. They've already cut electricity to the area and bombed 2 hospitals. The talk about war as if it's between two nation states is ludicrous.

When they destroy the last school, the last hospital, there might be some feeble talk about 'war crimes'. Israel will respond that it never targets civilians, only their respirators and schoolbooks.

And you can blame Hamas for that, r184

“They.” ^ (181) Fuck my essential tremor too.

To those who think this is good for Netanyahu, remember Golda Meir. She resigned in 1974 after the report on the Yom Kippur War was released.

R184 You would think Hamas would learn. None of this would be happening right now had they not attacked. Simple really.

Hama is a plague on both Israelis and Palestinians. They are guilty of every civilian death on both sides.

And Bibi is a POS.

Hamas

Bibi & Zelensky to US: "We both have major conflicts and we need cash NOW!:" "

I can’t imagine why there is a Palestinian militant extremism movement.

I mean, it’s not like there’s any problem with Israeli occupation and oppression of MILLIONS of Palestinians, land theft EVERY YEAR, and deaths of many more Palestinians by brute force attacks in Gaza and the West Bank.

They’re supposed to be pacific and compliant as they are occupied, oppressed, killed and dispossessed. What’s wrong with these fucking Palestinians?

R191 - maybe we redirect some of these funds?

This is all but inevitable. It's the very definition of apartheid setup. For decades Israel has been taking over Palestinian territory and encouraging Israelis to occupy and build on Palestinian land. And the Palestinians have never recognized Israel's right to exist as a state. They both have significant responsibility for where they are today. There are no good actors in all this.

We are sure that when Big Joe Biden warns Bibi to exercise restraint, Israel will heed the call.

Too bad Israel funded Hamas to divide and diminish the secular and nationalistic Palestinian Authority.

Fucking Arabs need to get over the Jew thing. Jews aren't going anywhere. This shit has been going on for thousands of years and it's ridiculous.

R195, Biden gave Bibi a free hand to raze Gaza.

R49 Wolf started his career in Tel Aviv with Reuters.

"Ukraine corrupt at all levels", says former EU Commission Chief Juncker.

The US should stop funding any of this shit. Let the Europeans do it. They're the ones responsible for the Nazis and all the Jew-slaughtering.

R185 Funny how you people cry and and personalize Israeli casualties but are so.....detached about the IDF blowing up hospitals.

Yes that would be highly intelligent for Europe with its high Muslim population to become Israel's new patron. Bravo R201.

R198, no, he did not. He made a strong but generic statement of support. He has not endorsed escalation.

If you copy the text at R200 and paste it into Google, all of the results lead to right wing sites like The Daily Caller.

R202, those hospitals are tinder for the fire at this point.

Blame Hamas.

R206 I blame the army that blow up hospitals and schools. Your post is gibberish.

So many worthy causes to give US money to -- Ukraine, Israel, "migrants"....decisions, decisions.

“ Your post is gibberish.”

No, that’s your brain dear lol

The thing is, this will never stop. You can't have a whole bunch of radicalized, impoverished, and dispossessed people on your door step and not have this happen.

They keep and will keep coming. Israel's population is growing, too, hence the push for more land. Ironically, that's driven by the Haredi who don't actually do anything BUT have kids and prop up insane right wing parties.

They're conveniently exempt from serving in the IDF, so, hey, it's not like they actually have to die to defend the country.

The whole thing is a house cards.

[quote] I’ve seen some horrific videos - home invasions, shooting civilians in the street, taking the corpses of women to use for sex, kidnapping women, western sympathy for Palestine is about to be severely depleted [...]

R25 The usual suspects are firmly united in their support for Palestine in these trying times. I've just peeked into tumblr and somehow, it was the dead women's fault.

[quote] Israel is attacked & we don't have:

[quote] Ambassador to Israel. Thanks to Rand Paul's COVID conspiracies.

[quote] Vital military appointments. Thanks to Tommy Tuberville's abortion obsession.

[quote] A Speaker. Thanks to Matt Gaetz's need for attention.

[quote] Thanks, @GOP for undermining our response.

How does Israel hurt the Palestinians. Say Israel stopped messing with them. Left them alone. Then what? What are they doing?

Looking forward to Whoopi's take on this crisis on "Tbe View"

[quote][I’ve seen some horrific videos - home invasions, shooting civilians in the street, taking the corpses of women to use for sex, kidnapping women, western sympathy for Palestine is about to be severely depleted [...]

A lot of young left wing people tweeting along the lines of "Honey, what did you think decolonisation looked like, huh?"

They know what's happening. They think the women being raped deserve it because they're Zionists, i.e. Israelis who have never known any other home and know they will be hated wherever in the world they go so make their country the best it can be.

Can’t we just give the Jews Florida and let the Palestinians and take Israel? Seems like a fair trade.

This makes me so happy habibi

What’s that, R214?

[quote]Can’t we just give the Jews Florida and let the Palestinians and take Israel? Seems like a fair trade.

How about we give Palestinians Florida and let the Israelis live in peace?

Any good Israeli on Palestinian gay porn?

Maybe Netanyahu skimmed some millions off the "Iron Dome" money? He clearly is as incompetent as he is corrupt. Paraglinders!! !! If it weren't for the murders it would be hilarious. Bibi went to the Trump school of leadership stupidity.

^I’d like to know too!

I am waiting for Barbra to comment.

[quote]It's reported that dozens of young people were slaughtered at a rave.

It's just like the attack on the Bataclan in Paris

From the BBC:

Earlier, we reported on a Hamas attack at an outdoor party in Kibbutz Urim, a suburb of the city of Ofakim in southern Israel not far from Gaza.

Gili Yoskovich was there when gunfire broke out and hid in a ditch for hours to survive.

"I was the first one to go out of the field," she tells the BBC. "Still people took two to three hours to go out.

"And all the way people are dying. Many, many people were dying in the road," she says. "Whoever tried to run away they were shooting them from both sides."

Her partner, Boaz Porat, recalls:"There was bodies right and left.

"You could really see that the terrorists took out people from the car and just gunned them down."

Iron Dome now revealed to be an overhyped piece of shit.

The young woman brutally murdered, stripped naked and driven around in the back of a jeep for men to spit on has been identified as a German citizen.

Is the Iron Dome the Israeli version of Trump's Border Wall? '

Netanyahu (yesterday) = "NOBODY can infiltrate our borders"........................HAMAS (today) = Meet our paragliders!!..............Even the U.S. Intelligence community is privately talking about how umprepared Bibi was..

I will not link it but have you seen the men with the naked woman (probably dead) on their truck, cheering? She was at a festival, a civilian. It's like the attack on the Bataclan. No sympathy. None. Barbarians. Everyone else gets called out for such a monstrosity and what do some Palestinians do? They party on the streets.

R213, as Golda once said, "If they put down their weapons, there'd be peace. If we put down our weapons, there'd be a massacre."

R229 good I'm glad the police intervened. They're annoying waving their flag and honking cars. Stop disturbing the peace and go back if it's so great. It's disrespectful to the country you're in.

I would never take an American flag to France, China, Mexico wherever and start waving it around in front of everyone.

People with a passing interest in this are going to see the photos of young women being taken at gunpoint and associate it with Palestinians.

From a public relations standpoint, Hamas have lost the battle already with neutrals.

Why do so many Muslims think it's ok to attack and terrorize their neighbors? Wherever they go, this happens, be it in the US, Europe or Asia.

Bc theyre barbarian cultists? Hello? Are you even gay that you have to ask that question?

If you need to know Israeli secrets, just go to Mar-a-Lago and ask to use “the bathroom”

(R234, I know the answer very well being a bit of an Islamic history buff. I posted the question to get people to fucking wake the fuck up and think. wink. R233)

R233 in the 1960s the Saudi royal family gave Wahhabist clerics a ton of (American) money to spread their ideology around the Middle East - so that they would be distracted to some extent and he would be able to modernize Saudi Arabi, this is largely why extremism began to spread around the Islamic world

How much intelligence did Bob Menendez sell to Egypt in exchange for gold bars?

I feel like a lot of gay people back Israel because they say "well, the Muslims hate us for being gay". But do the Israelis love us? Doubtful.

They're both religious and we all know how 99% of religions view us.

Fact is, without religion most of these wars wouldn't be happening.

See those bombs blowing up Gaza? That’s your tax dollars. Billions. I wouldn’t worry about Israel. Theyre fine, they send their love.

R239, gays and lesbians have full rights in Israel and most of the west. Of the 57 Muslim-majority countries, only in two or three countries is homosexuality not illegal. In 10 it is a capital offense.

R233, Christians staged invasions and slaughtered everyone in sight for hundreds of years. Then they (sort of) got it out of their system. Islam is a newer religion, so it's still in the "kill" phase.

Actually, R242, Christianity spread peacefully for 200 years until Constantine. Islam, on the other hand, was founded by an enslaving warlord who massacred a whole tribe of Jews, amongst other horrors. Immediately after his death, the Islamic Conquest broke out of the Saudi peninsula and wreaked death and destruction for the next several hundred years to this day, from Spain, southern France to Indonesia, committing genocide and enslaving people everywhere.

I don't think there has been a battle or a war to spread Christianity in a good 200 hundred years. Violent Islamification, on the other hand, continues to this day.

Christians haven’t had the energy to bother for years.

The mass murder was taken up by atheists like Hitler, Mao, Lenin, and Stalin.

But that’s separate from this issue.

R239 Actually less than 20% of Israeli Jews are religious and less than 8% are "ultra orthodox". Interestingly, most ultra orthodox are also anti-Zionist (just as a side note). Say what you want about Israel, but you can't compare it to any Muslim country with regard to gay rights and acceptance.

Wash, Rise, Repeat for 75 years. Oy.

R239 I've heard plenty of accounts of homophobia from gay Israelis, though. Let's not pretend it's open minded.

R39 Let's admit it's more like western Europe and North America than Muslim/Arab countries in regard to gay acceptance.

R247, homophobia is everywhere to some degree. In Israel and the west, it is not state sanctioned, big difference.

Let's admit it's nowhere near as accepting as the west is, and we're not *that* accepting either.

I meant R239 / R247

R173, Israel has a huge arsenal of weaponry right there in Israel, courtesy of the. U.S.

R250 You are entitled to your opinion, however I lived in Israel for 3 years and visited many times. You are simply incorrect.

Why don’t the Palestinians go to some other Muslim country? Those people sure don’t like to take care of their own

bc they are useful to other countries where they are

I think that we need to wait for things to settle as there are many reports at the moment and the information provided is full of hyperbole. Hamas would only be condemning the Palestinian civilian population to death by initiating an attack on Israel, which is much more sophisticated weaponry and a better organized army. The mistreatment of Palestinians is a reality that we cannot ignore, but the majority of the Israeli population are not to blame for this and in fact, many of them support a peaceful solution that would require the creation of a single country in which everyone is equal.

The Israeli army is targeting civilians in the centre of Gaza - surely Hamas are rational enough to understand that their actions are having a devastating effect on thousands of innocent Palestinian people... This is terribly sad. Aren't there enough war, injustice and violence in this world? Israel ought to have called for negotiations as soon as Hamas initiated hostilities, to showcase the fact that their ultimate goal is peaceful integration, because their response will only bring about an escalation and plunge the Middle East into another war.

[quote] Israelis who have never known any other home and know they will be hated wherever in the world they go so make their country the best it can be.

R315, that's a bit rich. They "will be hated wherever in the world they go"?

Lebanon was stupid enough to allow a large Palestinians to immigrate. Lebanon was the last Christian-majority country in the ME. It was quite affluent and sophisticated. It wasn't too long after that the country was basically torn to shreds from civil war.

Hamas are subhuman. Filth.

Arabs used to consider themselves a people. Arabs living in the pre-modern State of Israel called themselves Arabs and identified as such. It is actually the Jews that were called Palestinians.

R260, there's been a lot of blood under the bridge since then.

And we are crowding these people into western countries…

The Palestinians should be moved to one of the other Muslim-majority shithole countries in the area.

R263, the other Muslim countries have always treated the Palestinians appallingly. Just read history books to see how they've been treated by Lebanon, Jordan and Egypt, and let's not even talk about the Saudi beasts. This is a problem that Israel has caused by not integrating these people into Israeli society and making them emotionally invested in preserving a hybrid Jewish/Palestinian state, where there are freedom, safety and prosperity for all. The Single State solution has always been the best option, but nobody has wanted to implement it due to financial interests (the hostilities provide the American and Israeli Industrial Complexes with enormous profits), and because the Israeli right wing is aligned with the nefarious neocons.

[quote] The Palestinians should be moved to one of the other Muslim-majority shithole countries in the area.

What do think Israel has been trying to do for the last 50 years?

If Ukrainians can defend their land why can't Palestinians?

Brain trust at R266.

if no one else had said it, I am guessing Putin is behind this. If we have to help Israel then that is less money we can give Ukraine. Why the hell doesn't someone just do away with Putin. He has his hand in every damn country and has destroyed more people than Hitler.

[quote]the other Muslim countries have always treated the Palestinians appallingly. Just read history books to see how they've been treated by Lebanon, Jordan and Egypt, and let's not even talk about the Saudi beasts.

Maybe the Palestinians should ask themselves why the entire world can't stand them?

[quote]How does Israel hurt the Palestinians. Say Israel stopped messing with them. Left them alone. Then what?

Then Iran moves in and turns Hamas into an even more potent force for attacking Israel in their stated quest to wipe the country from the face of the Earth.

But the entire world does not hate the Palestinians, R269.

R268 Iran, not Putin.

r267 I'm definitely not defending Hamas but Palestinians as a group deserve to have their own land just like the Native Americans did. We kept encroaching and encroaching on their land until they had nothing left.

[quote] Then Iran moves in and turns Hamas into an even more potent force for attacking Israel in their stated quest to wipe the country from the face of the Earth.

Lol, Israel has the 4th strongest army in the world.

Don't be an idiot, R268. Do you think that Putin has the resources to initiate a conflict in the Middle East, when he's already at war with Ukraine? And you must be joking by comparing him to Hitler. Are you insane? Your arguments are childish at best!

Look R269, Palestinians are in their land, just as Israelis are in their land. They have to share it because they've both been there for thousands of years, and this is only going to keep escalating until one people is exterminated, or expelled form the Holy Land. Is that what we want? Create a single state, give Palestinians full rights and integrate them into a prosperous, egalitarian democracy - after all, privileges have a funny way of making people amenable to reasonable ideas. Conversely, by keeping them isolated and in poverty, Israel has created a breeding ground for extremists and yes, Netanyahu is entirely to blame, because things have become much worse since he rose to power and he's allowed the far right to gain too much power.

And see? Now we have this mess that could have been entirely avoidable if both parties had sat to negotiate like rational adults and agreed to share the land and its very limited resources.

Yes, that Army is doing them a whole lot of good today.

I piss, and I shit on the Quran; I piss, and I shit in the mouth of Allah.

Again, Israel's goal has always been ethnic cleansing.

“When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle.” Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.

"Integration" into a single-state is something that will NEVER succeed. One group needs to be moved somewhere else.

For those who need their Barbara Starr fix (she’s no longer on CNN) she’s appearing now on the BBC News Channel.

R275 A single integrated state sounds good and I would be all for it if Israeli Jews had 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 children. Israeli Jews, with the exception of the very small religious minority, typically have 2 children. Eventually Israel would become just another Arab/Muslim Middle Eastern country. In other words the entire Middle East would be Muslim as the only other exception was Lebanon...and that WAS Lebanon...not now. Demographic shifts have already happened in Israel due to different birth rates. In 1947/48, most of the Jews were Ashkenazi refugees from Europe. Now the majority are Jewish refugees from Arab/Muslim countries and their descendants.

That is terrible, R278. The sad thing is that if Israel integrated Palestinians into society, their economy would greatly expand - additional workforce, additional consumer base and additional brain power that could result in better resources being developed. Peace and sharing are essential for prosperity, and war only benefits a tiny minority. I would imagine that after over four thousand years of human civilization, we human beings would have finally understood this.

There are no winners in this carnage: innocent people are going to die on both sides and that is a tragedy.

R281, why is it that Jews are not having children? Because of unfair neoliberal policies that prevent them from doing so. The only ones who are reproducing like rabbits are the Orthodox fanatics, and they contribute nothing to Israeli society while living on benefits. Sadly, they've been given far too much power, alongside the repugnant ethno-centrist New Right. Support ALL families and better economic policies would go a long way to maintain stable populations. Moreover, wealth has a tendency to moderate people's approach to religious matters - Palestinian Muslims are clinging to fanaticism out of desperation (we should remember that not all Palestinians are Muslims, and there are important Christian and secular minorities), but if they are given the option to prosper, their views will be changed - also, economically stable communities tend to have less children, because they emphasize the importance of providing every child they have with as much attention and support as possible.

In short, isolating people, condemning them to poverty, hopelessness and constant repression is the best recipe for disaster. Allowing them to become part of Israel and letting them see the advantages that this has to offer, is the best way to neutralize this threat and stop the constant and unnecessary carnage.

R282 Well, Hamas seem quite happy to let Palestinians live, and die in poverty.

[quote]Again, Israel's goal has always been ethnic cleansing.

Hogwash. Prior to the 1948 war, Jewish leaders begged Arabs to stay. The Arab population in what is now Israel has increased since the founding of the modern state of Israel. It was the Arab armies who planned to push the Jews into the sea. It was the Jordanian army that ethnically cleansed what is now called the West Bank of its Jewish population.

Hamas - Sunni and supported by Saudi Arabia

Hezbollah - Shi’ite and supported by Iran

Iran and Saudi Arabia are rivals for influence. They are not friends.

R282 "Why is it the Jews aren't having children ".

I didn't say they aren't having children, it's just that they are only replacing themselves like most industrialized first world people do. As far as the religious nuts and right wing zealots go, I can't disagree with you. Reminds me of the US kinda.

This is what happens when your intelligence agents are just marking time til they can retire with a govt pension and make some real money working for Black Cube and Kroll Inc protecting sexual assaulters like Harvey Weinstein and harassing their accusers.

R285, true, but Hamas is known to work in coordination with Hezbollah.

R250 You do realize that Tel Aviv is always listed as one of the "go to" destinations for gay men's travel. I don't believe you'll see any Arab countries, African countries (except perhaps South Africa) or Russia show up on any of these gay travel guides. There is a reason for that and it's not some Zionist conspiracy. Example below where Tel Aviv, Israel is #2 just after Mykonos in the #1 spot.

2. Tel Aviv, Israel If you haven’t added Tel Aviv to your travel bucket list, now is the time. Tel Aviv has a little something for everyone. Recently, LGBQIA+ travelers have been flocking to the bohemian city – situated along the Mediterranean – for unreal beaches and locals that are both supportive and open-minded. In recent years, the Pride festival has taken off in Tel Aviv, with over 250,000 in attendance to march along the vibrant beachside. Even celebrities have flocked to the gay-friendly scene in Tel Aviv – most recently Andy Cohen and Neil Patrick Harris have been drawn to the party.

I agree that they have acted as frenemies of convenience R288, but take Israel out of the equation and they’d be at each other’s throats.

And they are not interchangeable.

[quote] Prior to the 1948 war, Jewish leaders begged Arabs to stay.

Hahahaha. Aww, you kind of make me miss the hasbara playbook. The arabs ran away and we are just housesitting for them!

[quote] Tel Aviv, Israel If you haven’t added Tel Aviv to your travel bucket list, now is the time.

Maybe not right now, R290.

R290, honestly, nothing in the Middle East in on my bucket list.

Actually, Israel should definitely be a bucket list destination for many reasons if one is interested in a beautiful, sophisticated and incredibly historical place. If you just want to lay on a beach like a fat whale getting drunk, it ain't for you.

R76 - Thanks for the clear explanation about the name Nimrod. Sir Edward Elgar’s publisher’s last name was Jaeger which is German for “Hunter”.

This is for you:

[quote] Tel Aviv, Israel If you haven’t added Tel Aviv to your travel bucket list, now is the time.

The location shoot for Final Destination VI

If they are God's Chosen People the why do we have to?.

R256 Hamas does not give a fuck about Palestinian civilians.

"the why do we have to?."

huh?

[quote] I feel like a lot of gay people back Israel because they say "well, the Muslims hate us for being gay". But do the Israelis love us? Doubtful. They're both religious and we all know how 99% of religions view us. Fact is, without religion most of these wars wouldn't be happening.

R239 No. This isn't a "both sides" thing.

I'm glad I visited Israel 6 years ago. Got to walk in Jesus's footsteps and visited most of the holy sites. Masada and the Dead Sea were awesome as well. Two days after I left, there was a terrorist attack in the old gated city.

r292, Shabtai Levy, the mayor of Haifa went to Arab leaders and pleaded with them to stay.

[quote] Got to walk in Jesus's footsteps

(Virgin) Mary, R302!

^ Heathen and going to hell.Kidding, kinda.

I’ve long-supported a 2-state solution, but after yesterday’s brazen attack, Israel could destroy every inch of the Palestinian Territories and I wouldn’t feel an ounce of disgust.

Would never visit anywhere in the Middle East, Israel included. The entire region is a cesspool.

[quote] You do realize that Tel Aviv is always listed as one of the "go to" destinations for gay men's travel.

Yes, there are definitely parts of Israel that are favorable for gays. The Settlements are full of hyper religious cunts, even in times of "peace."

[quote] Got to walk in Jesus's footsteps and visited most of the holy sites.

You almost certainly didn't. But you got to play make believe like so many people over the last few thousand years.

Oh shit they don't even have their own country? They live in territories of Israel?

This should have been worked out decades ago. Either integrate already, or keep it completely separate.

[quote] Peace and sharing are essential for prosperity, and war only benefits a tiny minority.

That's sweet in a dingbat sort of way. Obviously, most everybody in the region has decided to say fuck all that noise. Only two completely separate countries could possibly work at this point.

wait for it----------->> "Let's take the Ukraine money and give it to BiBi Netanyahu. Hamas is a much bigger threat than Putin taking over Europe"

As a Congressman of Jewish descent who was born and raised in Israel, I am collecting support funds directly to avoid unnecessary bureaucracy and administrative costs. Please be assured that all money you donate will go directly to the one who needs it most during this time of great tsuris.

Why does this benefit Netanyahu? Because people panic and go into terror mode, and decide that only the cuntiest cunt that ever cunted can possibly save them at this point. That's why.

Netanyahu doesn't benefit from this. He could bomb the west bank into glass and not get clear for letting this happen.

They'll rally around Bibi until the war is over. Then he'll be crucified by commission after commission assigning blame. Which they should. It will however turn masses of young to a hard right position. The wost case scenario is that bombs are going to be dropping in Iran. I believe it will happen. The permanent war pigs in both parties here are already drinking babies blood while they imagine their profits. This also puts Trump back in the White House.

Hillary relaunched the foundation just in time. She'll make more off of this than Haiti.

Hillary knows who butters her bread.

Yes, r317, this is all clearly Hillary's fault. Clearly. You dumb whore.

Without a doubt, the internal Israeli turmoil helped fuel this. So the US better be careful. With all the political nonsense here, it leads enemies to think we’re ready to be attacked as well. They better have Democratic and Republican members of Congress singing God Bless America together asap.

[quote] They better have Democratic and Republican members of Congress singing God Bless America together asap.

Seems unlikely.

I did not say it was Hillary fault. I'm saying they will start another grift.

You are still a dumb whore r322.

Anyhoo, this is going to test Netanyahu's policy of being a complete cunt to Democrats and a complete whore for the Republican Party of Donald J. Trump. Democrats just might tell him to fuck the fuck off and die like the cunt he is, but maybe not.

I may be a whore BUT I AM NOT DUMB. 🎉

[quote] Why does this benefit Netanyahu?

The same way it benefited Bush. On 9/11 I thought “This will be the end of Bush” for his disasterous leadership tha5 allowed 9/11 to happen.

Look what really happened.

R325 Didn't help Golda Meir 50 years ago.....

Did it r326? That's actually kind of amazing. But these days, yes, this will actually benefit Netanyahu. It shouldn't. He's a cunt. But it will benefit him all the same.

The woke virtue signalers don’t know what to do. They were just supporting Palestine, now the liberal hive mind is switching back to Israel. Funny to watch people who posted support for Palestine during the POC era, flipping to Israel now as they follow the social media flow.

Nobody wants to see young people kidnapped and killed r328. But this entire thing remains unresolvable while Israel is determined to send religious fanatics to build settlements in Palestinian lands, and to kill any Arabs they feel like. This will never end while that remains the policy.

Have given up long ago on any chance of peace in that part of the world. They simply don't want it.

[quote]But this entire thing remains unresolvable while Israel is determined to send religious fanatics to build settlements in Palestinian lands, and to kill any Arabs they feel like.

That sounds more like what Europeans and Americans did in North America, building settlements on Native American land and killing Indians when they felt like it.

they do, I'm sure r330. But the truth is, most people want other things much more than "peace." A weird number of Americans like being gun nuts much more than they like any idea of peace.

R331 Well, quite a different history behind those two events, and countries histories.

Op here, was not sure how this topic would go, and am very pleased how mature it has been and not getting lost, as so many Political threads can here. Well done, to you all.

[quote]Nobody wants to see young people kidnapped and killed

The people who are anti-Israel and who support Palestinian terrorists do. You'd think that the inhuman actions by Palestinians in this latest terrorism against Jews would silence the despicable and vile people who blame Israel for the problems, but no, they are out on social media supporting the terrorism and using more anti-semitic vilification of Israel.

The vast majority don't support Palestinian terrorists. They want Palestinians to have a homeland, and don't believe in the whole Netanyahu "kill everybody who opposes me" philosophy, but they generally don't support Palestinian terrorists, including Hamas.

I just reviewed a bunch of raw footage - looks to me like Hamas is likely already mostly obliterated. The IDF has militants prisoner face down on the sidewalk with numbers spray painted on their backs, saw some stuff that was recent of IDF warning for immediate evacuations in areas they are about to wipe out. Looks like the counter offensive is way ahead of the news, as it should be. Some of the footage is just nuts, of Hamas on foot invading residential neighborhoods, setting fire to houses if they can't get in, one kidnapped child being brought to Palestinian kids to be tormented, IDF airstrikes are leveling 14 story buildings like they're nothing. An israeli soldier is posting some videos of his unit getting ready for counter offensive activity

As long as the policy is kill or crush all Palestinians, that will not be the end of the story r336. Eventually, Israel is just going to have to accept a two-state solution or endless, perpetual terrorism and war. The IDF can kill all the current Hamas but it won't change the underlying situation.

Can't the Palestinians get rid of Hamas? Or is that deluded bullshit?

Has Marjorie Taylor Greene linked this to Biden yet?

[quote] the despicable and vile people who blame Israel for the problems

I know, right? Remember that time the Palestinians invaded and kicked the Israelis off most of their land, drove them into refugee camps, then occupied those too, held the Israelis under a crushing occupation, restricted their movement and freedom to work, subjected them to daily humiliations, killed huge numbers of them, and annually stole more and more of their land?

I don’t either, it was the Israelis who did that to the Palestinians. If you want to see a despicable and vile person, ugly Anscher, go look in a mirror.

[quote] Can't the Palestinians get rid of Hamas?

They should just get rid of all opposition to Israel and report for orderly liquidation.

Palestinians won't get rid of Hamas while the Israeli policy remains take all land from Palestinians while killing anybody that prevents that. They just won't. Of course they will react with violence while the Israeli policy remains total violence. Why would they do differently?

Our resident judeo-fascist screecher, in the flesh!

r340, remember that time Israel unilaterally withdrew from the Gaza Strip? And after that the rocket attacks from Gaza on Israel increased?

"Hunter Biden might be behind this whole thing. Did he buy any para-gliders recently? Where was he when this attack happened?"

Also r342 it’s not that simple. It’s not like the extremists are controlled by the public. They’re extremists after all.

I don’t support Palestinian militant extremists, but it’s completely ludicrous to be focusing on them when Israel is the aggressor and land thief, and by far the bigger killer in the conflict.

[quote] [R340], remember that time Israel unilaterally withdrew from the Gaza Strip? And after that the rocket attacks from Gaza on Israel increased?

They withdrew, Anscher, and turned Gaza into a giant prison camp. There were only a handful of settlers in Gaza. Now they have it surrounded and blockaded. I hope you’re not suggesting to the contrary. Gaza is the worlds largest prison.

Hamas didn’t just randomly fire rockets after the withdrawal. They fired them after being goaded into it by Israeli strikes.

You need to get better at this — Americans aren’t swallowing the Zionist line hook line and sinker anymore.

R340 And the shrieking starts.

Yeah, I dunno r335. Do these people look like they're capable of establishing a normal, sane state that doesn’t want to obliterate all Israelis from the face of the earth?

Fortunately for Israel, and for the sake of what is good and just in this world, President Biden is unequivocal in indicating that the Palestinians are completely at fault and that "Israel has a right to defend itself and its people - full stop." It would be good if he also stated that given the situation, Israel can and should do whatever it takes to use extreme force to crush the source of the terrorism, using any means necessary.

[quote] palestinians were being brutally attacked on the daily & the world/media were silent. but as soon as palestinians fightback it's war crime???

Going thought twitter is genuinely fascinating because yes. armed state supported militias committing civilian kidnappings and rape are war crimes. That's pretty much been a widely believed idea for about 150 years.

R349 shows the game plan perfectly.

Take people under occupation.

Treat them like shit for decades.

A resistance eventually forms.

The resistance is extremist (hardly surprising).

Then all you have to say is, “they’re extremists! See, we were justified in occupying them.”

Israel loves the extremists.

Cool, more slaughter r350. Awesome! Fun!

But when all that fun is done, Israel should stop these stupid fucking settlements, and really blow up most of them.

[quote] That's pretty much been a widely believed idea for about 150 years.

And how about invasion, occupation, apartheid, collective punishment, and dispossession? Any news on that?

Especially because the extremism I just mentioned caused the extremism you condemned.

Hold me, (King) David, I'm scared!

They already practice apartheid—of their entire female population. So they should be accustomed to it.

r354 So rape (also known as extremism apparently, who knew?) is punishment in your opinion?

[quote]They withdrew, Anscher, and turned Gaza into a giant prison camp.

Anscher? Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005. In 2006, elections were held in Gaza and Hamas won. In 2007, Hamas took control of the Gaza Strip. Israel and Egypt have maintained an air, sea and land blockade of the Gaza Strip since 2007.

People from the Gaza Strip can and do travel out of the territory.

Does this look to you like a prison camp?

I blame the Ottomans. This whole thing could've been solved nicely around 1900. But everybody had to get all up in their feelings.

At this point, just two countries, separate, hostile, angry, and bitter is the only real choice. Sorry world. This is it.

" The permanent war pigs in both parties here are already drinking babies blood while they imagine their profits. This also puts Trump back in the White House."

MARY! You must like incitement.

This has nothing to do with Trump. Cunt is going to jail and nothing in Israel is going to affect that.

[quote]And how about invasion, occupation,

Gaza is not occupied. Israel withdrew in 2005.

Since the BBC reported we reached a climate tipping point, nations can look forward to warring over newly balmy Antartica.

[quote]But when all that fun is done, Israel should stop these stupid fucking settlements, and really blow up most of them.

You know that would have zero effect on the Palestinians' nature or their goal to eradicate Israel. You know that if Israel gave them every single thing they asked for (besides all Jews leaving Palestine), the Palestinians would still want and try to slit the throat of every Israeli Jew and not hesitate a second.

So you think Palestinians are just born terrorist killers r364? Their nature is just to kill Jews cause they were just born that way? That is a sad and crazy belief. And it is part of why this shit will never end until everybody who thinks like you is dead.

I don't know what r364 thinks, but I think Hamas leadership is getting rich off this racket. Ismail Haniyeh is a billionaire, that's with a B, not an M.

I'm sure a lot of people are getting rich off of this shit. A lot of people want this shit to go on and on and on and on and on ... And even more are allowed to gain power from it, which for many is even more delicious than money. Netanyahu is definitely loving this shit.

R365 You do not seem to understand the basics of this situation.

No, their culture and their religion makes them into terrorist killers r365. What manner of brutes openly celebrate the public killing of civilians, posting videos of soldiers openly shooting fleeing party-goers in the back. Publicly bundling bloodied and dead hostages into trucks and parading them through the streets.

This is a regressive, brutal culture. There's no equivalence with West and with Israel.

I thought Palestinian territory – encompassing the Gaza Strip and West Bank, including East Jerusalem – has been illegally occupied by Israel since 1967.

The 6 Day War?

It's awful what happened and how it happened; however, Israel, its leaders (Netanyahu, etc.) and the right-wing illegal settlers have treated the Palestinians like shit for years and stealing their land and building settlements on Palestinian territory. What did Israel expect?

Israel never had any intention to a two-state solution. Get the hell off Palestinian land. Israel is an illegal land-grabber.

Biden's pro-Palestinian State Department wants Israel to just shrug off the murders and kidnappings of hundreds of Israelis.

The U.S. Office of Palestinian Affairs posted a tweet on X that generated a lot of controversy before it was removed. The office is a diplomatic post within the State Department that was opened by the Biden administration to boost relations with the Palestinian government.

“We unequivocally condemn the attack of Hamas terrorists and the loss of life that has incurred,” the office wrote in a tweet. “We urge all sides to refrain from violence and retaliatory attacks. Terror and violence solve nothing.”

Cruz looks he's been attacking the buffet.

No sympathy for Palestinians. They still support terrorist Hamas.

[quote] No sympathy for Palestinians. They still support terrorist Hamas.

Give them a little sympathy. They've been brainwashed since childhood and anybody found to not support Hamas risks torture and death.

I think it's very ugly cycle with no easy answers.

Whatever happened to the PLO? They seemed a bit less shooty than Hamas...

R369, nonsense, you don't get out of the house very much. Almost every country in the West has done much worst, despite having ostensibly advanced cultures and a different religion.

Saint Zelensky speaks:

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky condemned attacks on Israel by Hamas militants in a Saturday post on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter.

“Today, the entire world saw horrifying videos from Israel. Terrorists humiliate women and men, detain even the elderly, and show no mercy,” Zelensky’s post read. “In the face of such a terrorist strike, everyone who values life must stand in solidarity.”

“We in Ukraine have a special feeling about what has happened. Thousands of rockets in the Israeli sky… People killed just on the streets… Civilian cars shot through… Detainees being humiliated…,” Zelensky continued. “Our position is crystal clear: anyone who causes terror and death anywhere on the planet must be held accountable. Today’s terrorist attack on Israel was well-planned, and the entire world knows which sponsors of terrorism could have endorsed and enabled its organization.”

R351, deliberately attacking civilians has been recognized as a war crime since the 12th Century. In the ideology of terrorism, as developed in the 19th Century, no one need be spared because everyone is guilty.

A "coincidence"? This national Israeli solidarity should help quiet down opposition to Crooked Netanayu stealing power from their Supreme Court. And just mere weeks ago too? What lucky break for Bibi.

It's getting worse fast....Lebanon joins the mess to help Hamas. Israel attacks Lebanon. Iran wants to join in. WWIII approaching.

R290 Well, you wouldn't catch me going there. It may have a gay friendly veneer, but it's still a deeply religious place with many people who are hateful towards us. No chance.

R383 Nelly, not everything is immediately as severe as a WW3

[quote] Lebanon joins the mess to help Hamas

Lebanon has no choice. It has been Palestinian occupied territory since Arafat in appreciation of Jordan's King Hussein hospitality tried to kill the King and take control of the nation. The Jordanian Army kicked their ass and the PLO escaped into Lebanon, quickly dominating the country.

The Palestinians ruin any land they control.

[quote]A "coincidence"? This national Israeli solidarity should help quiet down opposition to Crooked Netanayu stealing power from their Supreme Court. And just mere weeks ago too? What lucky break for Bibi.

Donald is that you?

𝐀 𝐏𝐫𝐨𝐮𝐝 𝐌𝐢𝐥𝐢𝐭𝐚𝐫𝐲 𝐕𝐢𝐜𝐭𝐨𝐫𝐲 𝐛𝐲 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐏𝐚𝐥𝐞𝐬𝐭𝐞𝐧𝐢𝐚𝐧𝐬

The naked body of a woman was paraded through the streets in the back of a pick-up truck on Saturday as Hamas fighters sat on her unmoving form.

A celebrating crowd surrounded the armed men in combat fatigues, who shouted “Allah Akbar” from the open back of the truck.

Some in the crowd, which included youngsters, spat on the woman’s body before the truck sped away on a day of unprecedented massacres of Israeli civilians.

The woman was later named as Shani Louk. Miss Louk’s family confirmed they had seen the video but said they “still have some kind of hope” that she had survived.

Miss Louk is believed to have been kidnapped from Israel after Hamas fighters infiltrated by air, sea and land. Hundreds of Israelis were killed in the brutal attack and dozens, including members of the Israeli defence forces were taken hostage.

“We recognised her by the tattoos, and she has long dreadlocks,” Tom Weintraub Louk, Miss Louk’s cousin, told The Washington Post.

Miss Louk had been attending an outdoor music festival near Kibbutz Urim when militants stormed the area,

R385 Ouch. And I'm a fan of yours.Excuse me for trying to spice up a war.

Peace concert on the Gaza border. What a scathingly brilliant idea.

[quote] A lot of young left wing people tweeting along the lines of "Honey, what did you think decolonisation looked like, huh?"

[quote] They know what's happening. They think the women being raped deserve it because they're Zionists, i.e. Israelis who have never known any other home and know they will be hated wherever in the world they go so make their country the best it can be.

If you'd told me ten years ago that the left would become as misogynistic and homophobic as it is now, I never would have believed you. I'm still left-wing, but I'm much less naive than I used to be. I now know that being left-wing doesn't automatically make a person one of the good guys.

R389 💜

[quote]If you'd told me ten years ago that the left would become as misogynistic and homophobic as it is now, I never would have believed you. I'm still left-wing, but I'm much less naive than I used to be. I now know that being left-wing doesn't automatically make a person one of the good guys.

There's one particular left wing commentator who was very vocal last week about the misogyny of Laurence Fox saying he wouldn't shag a female journalist, a comment he was rightly sacked for it. A very mainstream opinion.

She has plenty to say about how Israel are responsible for these attacks by Hamas but no condemnation of the use of of rape, the kidnapping of young women, the parading of the dead woman's naked body for men to spit on. Nothing.

I care but I’m also cared out. I don’t have enough sympathy and empathy to go around for every new war and international issue.

8 Israelis killed in Egypt.

Hamas have taken multiple Thai nationals hostage.

There's a long video I haven't watched where Hamas torment a family with young children, shooting one of the children and forcing the others to watch.

They want to the world to know this is what Jews deserve.

I see the RT talking points came out overnight.

The settlements are in the West Bank. They are awful and should be taken down, but this attack came from Gaza, not the West Bank.

The Israelis broadcast for the civilian Palestinian population to get to the south or coast before they started bombing. It is not Israel’s fault that Hamas puts its headquarters and military installations in the basements of schools and hospitals.

Hamas is not an organic outgrowth of the Palestinian people’s frustration. Arabs in Palestine were the most secular group in the Arab world until relatively recently. Hamas is a RWNJ terrorist organization financed and run by outside countries to distract their populations from the corruption at home. Hamas doesn’t want oppression to end since their funding is tied to continued oppression.

I was wrong about Iran and Hamas. Iran did recently start sending money to Hamas. Personally I find that shocking, but perhaps Hamas went begging to them after funding from some of the gulf states dried up. And perhaps Hamas decided it was now or never for war because Iran couldn’t totally replace the amount of money they’ve been getting from Saudi Arabia and the potential peace deal was endangering that.

My employee got in touch with me this morning thank goodness.

The left say it's Israel's fault.

The centre say it's both their faults.

The Right says it's Palestine's fault.

Open serious fighting in two of the traditionally most dangerous areas of the world. Both where the US has significant national interests. Both with nuke powers involved.

I expect within the next 12 months you will see significant disruptions that impact consumers world wide and U.S. troops that will be deployed to meet these threats..

... and the USA becoming more conservative.

They have been fighting in that part of the world for thousands of years. Literally nothing new to see here. Let us know when you are done.

[quote] There's a long video I haven't watched where Hamas torment a family with young children, shooting one of the children and forcing the others to watch.

How could you ever look at yourself in the mirror again after doing that?

[quote]What manner of brutes openly celebrate the public killing of civilians,

MAGA Americans. Jan 6th ring a bell? If they had more fire power all pushed into one stat like Florida and more time to stew like the Palestinians, they would be just as brutal.

Hamas torment a family with young children, shooting one of the children and forcing the others to watch.

Q:

[quote]How could you ever look at yourself in the mirror again after doing that?

Hamas A: With delight, pleasure, and pride.

Big mistake to project our own cultural sensibilities onto these creatures r402. They are different from us.

CNN: Israeli death toll in Hamas attack likely over 500.

The death toll is going to over 1000, and then there are the hostages.

The BBC's determination to be balanced is utterly ridiculous. They reported earlier that Hamas Fighters "died" in Sderot, maybe a coach crash or food poisoning outbreak. No, they were shot dead by Israeli forces after murdering dozens of people.

R397, I don't want to quarrel with you, ElderLez, since I enjoy your posts so much, but I wanted to emphasize that it's well-known that Hamas has been funded by Iran, and worked along side Hezbollah, since at least the 1990s. There are a lot of Palestinian refugees in Lebanon, Hezbollah's home base, and Hezbollah helps to train them as soldiers for Hamas. On religious grounds, it seems bizarre, and the two organizations did, in fact, break up once, briefly, in 2012, but, as we know, having a common enemy is everything. The connection to Hezbollah is important because Hezbollah knows what it is doing. It clearly helped Hamas establish an elaborate series of tunnels under Gaza--a system Israel knew little about until its 2006 war with Hezbollah. The sophistication of the Hamas attack yesterday also suggests the close involvement of Iranian advisors.

R407 thanks for the information. I’m old enough where my mindset on certain things may be reverting to the 1980s and if I am wrong on this I am wrong.

"ConcernedEuropean" posting from back in 1993, apparently. There is no way to get rid of the settlements at this point. Look at the map. They are everywhere in the west bank. The 2 state solution has been dead for years.

The only solution at this point is the one state solution. One person, one vote. Equal rights for Jews, Muslims.

With all the planning that took place before this attack, I fail to see how Israel is actually killing anyone except innocent people. Hamas I am sure is in under ground tunnels and bunkers that Israel has no clue about. If Israel was that blindsided about the attack, I am sure they don't know where the real hiding places Hamas is hanging out.

Humans have been killing each other since time began....this is nothing new and it will never end, Not in Israel or the rest of the world

R410 they would have to do a ground invasion of Gaza, which is very risky. Israel won't do more than bomb a few apartment buildings. Gaza too populated to do widespread bombardment.

Most likely Israel will attack Lebanon if they find an excuse to do it. That's what's always happened in the past.

R410, do you realize your post - including the extremely provocative claim that Israel is only killing the innocent - is entirely based on your imagining and conjecturing? Are you comfortable with that?

Israel is in a real bind now. They do not want to reoccupy Gaza or southern Lebanon. A serious attack on Iran could ignite WWIII. No good options for Israel.

Who did the "MAGA"S kill on January 6th? You fucking false equivalency troll.

R413, R410 is correct actually. Israel doesn't have the human intel to separate the innocent from Hamas.

Israel will invade the West Bank to try to rescue the 100+ civilians taken hostage.

CBS Sunday Morning just had surprisingly graphic images showing dead Israeli civilians, though faces blurred, and a man being taken hostage while Palestinians try to beat him. It also mentioned that 200 Palestinians have been killed so far this year by the IDF and settlers.

r414 HOLD ME, DAVID!!!

R416, ok I’ll just take your say so. Why bother with reality when you just get to decide what is happening?

[quote]I expect within the next 12 months you will see significant disruptions that impact consumers world wide and U.S. troops that will be deployed to meet these threats..

r399 doubt it. Like someone else said this conflict has been going on for eons, this is just the latest iteration. By next weekend the news cycle in the US will move on to a messy Congress and Trump trials, I doubt this will even get as much coverage as the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

In Times Square on Sunday, the Democratic Socialists of America will host an “All Out for Palestine” rally. Wear a mask so you’re not recognized, the organizers say.

The DSA is the party of Ilhan Omar, Cori Bush, Rashida Talib — and oh yes, New York’s very own Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Jamaal “Fire Alarm” Bowman. They are quick to lecture about “extremism” in America. What do they say about this?

“Never mind the hundreds of Israeli civilians and children who have been murdered, wounded, abducted, and terrorized. Their lives mean nothing to the DSA. Nothing,” Congressman Ritchie Torres rightly wrote Saturday. “The NYC-DSA is revealing itself for what it truly is: an antisemitic stain on the soul of America’s largest city.”

Omar has called for a “deescalation and ceasefire,” meaning that Israel should just accept that 300 — and likely more — of their people were brutally murdered. War crimes should be accepted, because hey, they’re Palestinians.

“Such senseless violence will only repeat the back and forth cycle we’ve seen, which we cannot allow to continue,” Omar wrote.

The Sunday Times: About 100 Israelis have been kidnapped. More than 600 Israelis were killed and about 2,000 were injured. More than 300 Palestinians have died.

These attacks are abhorrent for sure but where was the outrage for the over 200 Palestinians killed by Israel so far in 2023 prior to the attacks? Why is Israel's ongoing illegal occupation and brutality okay?

[QUOTE] I expect within the next 12 months you will see significant disruptions that impact consumers world wide and U.S. troops that will be deployed to meet these threats..

And the problem is Biden half already half-depleted our Strategic Petroleum Reserve in order to boost his political fortunes. No safety buffer now for the US if their is an new oil supply shock.

Prepare to open your wallets.

Love Ritchie Torres

I'm not sure how Israel can go in, crush Hamas AND safely rescue their people.

Seems to be one or the other, at least in the near term.

R420 has been smoking some 420. This isn't dropping out of the news cycle quickly.

Re R421

R423, are you suggesting Israel just give free rein the same people who just did this? The reason Palestinians live under occupation and isolated is because they have rejected a two state solution for over a hundred years and instead insist on no Jewish state.

Gaza is not occupied by Israel, who unilaterally withdrew in 2005 and abandoned settlements. Gaza then chose Hama. They have attacked Israel before, during, and after occupation.

Israel is far from blameless, but let’s not ignore how this actually unfolded. Or the reality that Palestinians are treated even worse under Hamas.

[quote] And the problem is Biden half already half-depleted our Strategic Petroleum Reserve in order to boost his political fortunes. No safety buffer now for the US if their is an new oil supply shock.

Before the 2022 election Biden withdrew 180 million barrels from the strategic reserve so gasoline prices could appear to fall. This brought the stockpile to its lowest level since the 1980s.

Earlier this year the Dept of Energy announced they would replace six million barrels of that deficit, but didn't actually do even that much.

Way to get trump off the tv

Can she even locate Israel on a map?

[quote]but where was the outrage for the over 200 Palestinians killed by Israel so far in 2023 prior to the attacks

Rave on. Outrage has been expressed for months. Support for Israel had been declining because of the ugliness of settler behavior and Netanyahu's failure to control them. Hamas just boosted support for Israel. Palestinians posting videos of themselves kidnapping civilians, abusing corpses, parading victims, holding families hostage have wrecked the excellent PR campaign the Palestinians had been waging for the past several years. WTF?

The first time I've ever felt some respect for a Jenner.

R430 they haven't refilled the SPR at all. When oil was at $70/barrel earlier this year Biden rejected offers for the US to buy replenishments because they were too high for his "buy zone". Now oil is at $83/barrel and likely to climb higher due to mideast conflict. Biden now out of options on the energy front. "

Governor Kathy Hochul

The people of Israel are facing violent terrorist attacks and civilian kidnappings. I condemn plans to rally in Times Square tomorrow in support of the perpetrators of these horrific actions. The planned rally is abhorrent and morally repugnant.

I'm very concerned.

Stagflation, high energy costs heading into natural gas season for Europe. Unrest in middle east and "blue" cities in America on fire due to mobs of teens. Biden's candidacy in jeopardy.

From BDS:

[quote] Biden's candidacy in jeopardy.

Gee that's a shame

The fact that the Israeli government is so fractured is a big part of how this happened. America take note.

I would say the Israelis are more unified than the US, R441. They made a stink about Netanyahu's judiciary changes but when push comes to shove that country is always pretty unified.

The main thing to note about the protests in Israel was that they were largely peaceful. Some scuffles but people not shot or arrested and imprisoned like all their neighbouring countries.

The person who posted this is deluded.

[quote]The only solution at this point is the one state solution. One person, one vote. Equal rights for Jews, Muslims.

One state will not afford Jewish Israelis any protection from violence. This isn't Northern Ireland with two different types of Christians. This is a land that has been fought over for centuries, where one group doesn't think the other should exist.

These two groups cause all the trouble in the world.

R44 there’s one more…

No, R444, the groups that cause the most trouble in the world are Americans, Russians and Muslims.

There's a new video of 5 Israeli boys aged 2-5 locked in a cage while men laugh at them. The oldest boy seems to think it's a game and is trying to unlock it.

the new Nazis want you to see how barbaric they are. They want you to know that's what they do to Jews.

Including American Jews and Russians Jews, R446?

[quote] Gaza is not occupied. Israel withdrew in 2005.

They withdrew a settlement and locked the door. Even now Gazans can't leave and Netanyahoo knows this. Israel controls 80% of the electricity to Gaza. Gaza has been under a blockade for years. It is in fact an open air prison. Once again, Israel was the initial funder of Hamas, hoping to divide the secular, nationalistic PLO and PA.

All of you posters who refuse to understand how things got to this point, refuse to supply context or history, might as well be MAgA goons. Read a book, 'The Iron Wall' by the British-Israeli historian Avi Schlaim is excellent. You can also read this amnesty international report for 2002 if you can stop crying crocodile tears for the occupiers for 5 minutes.

The report is for 2022. And every year is the same story.

[quote]They withdrew a settlement and locked the door. Even now Gazans can't leave and Netanyahoo knows this. Israel controls 80% of the electricity to Gaza. Gaza has been under a blockade for years. It is in fact an open air prison. Once again, Israel was the initial funder of Hamas, hoping to divide the secular, nationalistic PLO and PA.

Why doesn't Gaza have its own electric and water supplies when it's been given billions in aid over the last 20 years? Could it be because Hamas and the PLO officials took the money for themselves rather than provide for their people?

Trying to remove all agency from young men for the actions yesterday - the rapes, the killings, the spitting on naked corpses - and arguing that Hamas is the creation of Israel just makes you a rape apologist who is relaxed about the murder of innocent civillians.

"The unlawful killing of Palestinian protesters is perhaps the clearest illustration of how Israeli authorities use proscribed acts to maintain the status quo. In 2018, Palestinians in Gaza began to hold weekly protests along the border with Israel, calling for the right of return for refugees and an end to the blockade. Before protests even began, senior Israeli officials warned that Palestinians approaching the wall would be shot. By the end of 2019, Israeli forces had killed 214 civilians, including 46 children."

[quote] It is in fact an open air prison.

Here's Al-Saada Land in Khan Younes.

R443 wake up. Olso "peace process" started THIRTY YEARS AGO still with little to show. There isn't going to be any 2 state solution. It's a pipe dream. If it were to happen it would have had to happen back in the 70s or 80s before the settlements were so entrenched. Look at the maps of West Bank,. no way to create a viable Palestinian state.

Israel had to pay the settlers $200,000 per family to vacate the Gaza strip, and some of them still made a stink. And there were that many settlers in Gaza.

Imagine trying to relocate 600K settlers from the West Bank, many of whom are fanatics.

[quote] Even now Gazans can't leave

Gaza is also adjacent to Egyptian territory. Who needs Israel when iIn the name of Muslim solidarity they should be able to come and go across that border.

Except the Egyptians also realize the Palestinians are a criminal state who will do nothing but cause trouble there too if allowed free access.

R308 Yes that is true, but who in their right mind would choose to visit said settlements on the West Bank? As mentioned above, Israel's Jewish population is largely secular. There are even more places in the Bible Belt of the US southeast that I wouldn't choose for a holiday. As someone who lived in Israel, I absolutely guarantee you that your average Israeli Jew would be much more comfortable socializing with the homos than with either the Ultra Orthodox or wacky zealots in the West Bank. Fuck, Tel Aviv has more rainbow flags than San Francisco! It is AMAZINGLY gay friendly. I am not saying that this makes everything done in Israel right, only that stressing that Israel is overall a gay-friendly place and at least comparable to the West.

So one's viewpoint on this conflict all boils down to "is it good for the gays?" Sounds extremely shallow.

R448, context? Egypt also blockades Gaza, which is information you didn’t supply. After the downfall of the Ottoman Empire, Britain tried a two state solution, rejected by Arabs and Palestinians but not Jews, which is also information you didn’t supply. The Palestinians blocked Jewish ownership of land, which is also information you didn’t supply, When Britain just abandoned the situation and the UN declared Israel a state, Arabs and Palestinians attacked.

As for context on r451’s post about “peaceful protest”, perhaps the part where the Palestinians were rioting, throwing rocks, burning tires, and rushing the border should be included.

There is plenty wrong with Israel, and not just Netanyahu’s extremism. But you are suggesting they just sit idle and ignore their neighbor, whose stated goal is to eradicate the Jewish nation.

Another video shared of a 12 year old boy being kidnapped and taken to Gaza.

R456 My last paragraph: "I am not saying that this makes everything done in Israel right, only that stressing that Israel is overall a gay-friendly place and at least comparable to the West."

I am not saying that is the end all/be all. I am simply addressing something others have said outright or implied that is simply not true. You may hate Israel for a variety of reasons, but not because it is "just like the rest of the Middle East" with regard to gays. That my dear is just not true. You may also feel sympathy for Arabs/Muslims, but they are largely VERY unfriendly to gays and being gay in those countries is dangerous. All these things can be true at the same time.

Where is the video r458

Why doesn't Gaza have its own electric and water supplies when it's been given billions in aid over the last 20 years? Could it be because Hamas and the PLO officials took the money for themselves rather than provide for their people?

Gaza has one power plant which needs imported diesel fuel to run. This comes mainly from Israel. You don't seem to know what an occupation or a blockade is.

R458 Where's the 12 year old boy, NOW?!?!

[quote]In one of several similar incidents, one of the Hamas attackers who broke into the home of a grandmother in Nir Oz, near #Gaza, killed her, filmed it with her phone and uploaded the video to her Facebook - which is how her grand-daughter found out.

"We just want peace"

[quote]Gaza has one power plant which needs imported diesel fuel to run. This comes mainly from Israel. You don't seem to know what an occupation or a blockade is.

Again, they've had billions in aid. They've built shopping malls and palaces for Hamas and PLO leaders and are funding them to live in Qatar, but they're not investing in renewable green energy?

This elderly woman was kidnapped.

R461 Gee I sure hope those mean ole Israelis give Gaza everything they need now. There fellow Arabs in Egypt should maybe help too. They share a border too after all.

She controls the vertical, horizontal, AND diagonal on this thread!

Israel Under Attack From Land And Air - State Of War Declared. There's one video of a naked Israeli girl being driven around in the back of at truck while Palestinian men spit on her body.

Summary executions, rapes, bodies mutilated.

That's what "From the river to the sea" means. Dead jews,

Israel Under Attack From Land And Air - State Of War Declared. Remember, the men murdering old people at bus stops, driving their cars into children and stabbing pregnant women hate gays as much as they hate Jews.

Israel Under Attack From Land And Air - State Of War Declared. [quote]I'm sorry to say it but the fault of this lands at the feet of many years of Israeli leaders, especially Benjamin Netanyahu. Israel has been stoking the anger of Palestinians for decades and now the Palestinians have had enough.

And if all those men hadn't had unprotected sex they wouldn't have died of AIDS 🤷‍♀️

Israel Under Attack From Land And Air - State Of War Declared. Did R19 and R20 shrug at 9/11 as well? Because civilians are civilians are civilians,

Israel Under Attack From Land And Air - State Of War Declared. R27 is deluded if he thinks Palestinians will ever tolerate Jews living in the region

Israel Under Attack From Land And Air - State Of War Declared. Is Concerned European watching the videos of dead bodies being paraded in Gaza as people spit on them and having a wank?

Israel Under Attack From Land And Air - State Of War Declared. Multiple accounts of women and girls being kidnapped and taken to Gaza.

Meanwhile lots of European fringe leftists are celebrating this.

Israel Under Attack From Land And Air - State Of War Declared. [quote]I just saw a horrific video on Reddit. Some animals putting some poor young woman in a car. Omg, that poor girl.

Hamas have been rounding up women to take to Gaza as hostages, The bodies of men they've killed were paraded still clothed, but the young woman was spat on.

They don't want peace.

A woman gets proof of life for her missing 84-year-old mother when a photograph of her kidnapping is posted.

She controls the vertical, horizontal, AND diagonal on this thread!

Israel Under Attack From Land And Air - State Of War Declared. [quote]Hamas have been rounding up women to take to Gaza as hostages, The bodies of men they've killed were paraded still clothed, but the young woman was spat on.

Should read: the body of the young woman being spat on had been stripped,.

but BOTH SIDES!

Israel Under Attack From Land And Air - State Of War Declared. R101, Concerned European isn't a right wing Nazi with a base and guttural hatred of Jews because they're inferior, he's a left wing snobbish self identifying intellectual antisemite, a man whose life experience has given him cause to think Jews and Israel should be treated differently to white Europeans, Arabs, Africans, Asians etc, and who believes in the same historic tropes about Jews.

He has the kind of white supremacist ideology that treating Jews differently is punching UP, and that Palestinians/other Muslim nations should be held to a lower standard because they're Muslims.

Israel Under Attack From Land And Air - State Of War Declared. A lot of people have absorbed the ‘open air prison’ myth about Gaza and seeing the footage of Gazans filming each other killing defenceless children, the elderly, going door to door to murder people will make people think ‘maybe they need to be in prison’, which strengthens Hamas.

Israel Under Attack From Land And Air - State Of War Declared. Young people enjoying a musical festival, a young woman screaming as she's taken away by a men with guns, her friends taken hostage as well.

Her brutal gang rape will be filmed no doubt and shared by anti Zionists worldwide.

Israel Under Attack From Land And Air - State Of War Declared. Men celebrated on the streets of London, waving flags, car horns, dancing in the street

Israel Under Attack From Land And Air - State Of War Declared. [quote][I’ve seen some horrific videos - home invasions, shooting civilians in the street, taking the corpses of women to use for sex, kidnapping women, western sympathy for Palestine is about to be severely depleted [...]

A lot of young left wing people tweeting along the lines of "Honey, what did you think decolonisation looked like, huh?"

They know what's happening. They think the women being raped deserve it because they're Zionists, i.e. Israelis who have never known any other home and know they will be hated wherever in the world they go so make their country the best it can be.

Israel Under Attack From Land And Air - State Of War Declared. [quote]Can’t we just give the Jews Florida and let the Palestinians and take Israel? Seems like a fair trade.

How about we give Palestinians Florida and let the Israelis live in peace?

Israel Under Attack From Land And Air - State Of War Declared. [quote]It's reported that dozens of young people were slaughtered at a rave.

It's just like the attack on the Bataclan in Paris

From the BBC:

Earlier, we reported on a Hamas attack at an outdoor party in Kibbutz Urim, a suburb of the city of Ofakim in southern Israel not far from Gaza.

Gili Yoskovich was there when gunfire broke out and hid in a ditch for hours to survive.

"I was the first one to go out of the field," she tells the BBC. "Still people took two to three hours to go out.

"And all the way people are dying. Many, many people were dying in the road," she says. "Whoever tried to run away they were shooting them from both sides."

Her partner, Boaz Porat, recalls:"There was bodies right and left.

"You could really see that the terrorists took out people from the car and just gunned them down."

Israel Under Attack From Land And Air - State Of War Declared. The young woman brutally murdered, stripped naked and driven around in the back of a jeep for men to spit on has been identified as a German citizen.

She controls the vertical, horizontal, and diagonal on this thread!

Israel Under Attack From Land And Air - State Of War Declared. People with a passing interest in this are going to see the photos of young women being taken at gunpoint and associate it with Palestinians.

From a public relations standpoint, Hamas have lost the battle already with neutrals.

Israel Under Attack From Land And Air - State Of War Declared. [quote]A "coincidence"? This national Israeli solidarity should help quiet down opposition to Crooked Netanayu stealing power from their Supreme Court. And just mere weeks ago too? What lucky break for Bibi.

Donald is that you?

Israel Under Attack From Land And Air - State Of War Declared. [quote]If you'd told me ten years ago that the left would become as misogynistic and homophobic as it is now, I never would have believed you. I'm still left-wing, but I'm much less naive than I used to be. I now know that being left-wing doesn't automatically make a person one of the good guys.

There's one particular left wing commentator who was very vocal last week about the misogyny of Laurence Fox saying he wouldn't shag a female journalist, a comment he was rightly sacked for it. A very mainstream opinion.

She has plenty to say about how Israel are responsible for these attacks by Hamas but no condemnation of the use of of rape, the kidnapping of young women, the parading of the dead woman's naked body for men to spit on. Nothing.

Israel Under Attack From Land And Air - State Of War Declared. Hamas have taken multiple Thai nationals hostage.

There's a long video I haven't watched where Hamas torment a family with young children, shooting one of the children and forcing the others to watch.

They want to the world to know this is what Jews deserve.

Israel Under Attack From Land And Air - State Of War Declared. The death toll is going to over 1000, and then there are the hostages.

The BBC's determination to be balanced is utterly ridiculous. They reported earlier that Hamas Fighters "died" in Sderot, maybe a coach crash or food poisoning outbreak. No, they were shot dead by Israeli forces after murdering dozens of people.

Israel Under Attack From Land And Air - State Of War Declared. The main thing to note about the protests in Israel was that they were largely peaceful. Some scuffles but people not shot or arrested and imprisoned like all their neighbouring countries.

The person who posted this is deluded.

[quote]The only solution at this point is the one state solution. One person, one vote. Equal rights for Jews, Muslims.

One state will not afford Jewish Israelis any protection from violence. This isn't Northern Ireland with two different types of Christians. This is a land that has been fought over for centuries, where one group doesn't think the other should exist.

Israel Under Attack From Land And Air - State Of War Declared. No, R444, the groups that cause the most trouble in the world are Americans, Russians and Muslims.

There's a new video of 5 Israeli boys aged 2-5 locked in a cage while men laugh at them. The oldest boy seems to think it's a game and is trying to unlock it.

the new Nazis want you to see how barbaric they are. They want you to know that's what they do to Jews.

She STILL controls the dials here, on her own personal BLOG:

Israel Under Attack From Land And Air - State Of War Declared. [quote]They withdrew a settlement and locked the door. Even now Gazans can't leave and Netanyahoo knows this. Israel controls 80% of the electricity to Gaza. Gaza has been under a blockade for years. It is in fact an open air prison. Once again, Israel was the initial funder of Hamas, hoping to divide the secular, nationalistic PLO and PA.

Why doesn't Gaza have its own electric and water supplies when it's been given billions in aid over the last 20 years? Could it be because Hamas and the PLO officials took the money for themselves rather than provide for their people?

Trying to remove all agency from young men for the actions yesterday - the rapes, the killings, the spitting on naked corpses - and arguing that Hamas is the creation of Israel just makes you a rape apologist who is relaxed about the murder of innocent civillians.

Israel Under Attack From Land And Air - State Of War Declared. Another video shared of a 12 year old boy being kidnapped and taken to Gaza.

Israel Under Attack From Land And Air - State Of War Declared. [quote]In one of several similar incidents, one of the Hamas attackers who broke into the home of a grandmother in Nir Oz, near #Gaza, killed her, filmed it with her phone and uploaded the video to her Facebook - which is how her grand-daughter found out.

"We just want peace"

Israel Under Attack From Land And Air - State Of War Declared. [quote]Gaza has one power plant which needs imported diesel fuel to run. This comes mainly from Israel. You don't seem to know what an occupation or a blockade is.

Again, they've had billions in aid. They've built shopping malls and palaces for Hamas and PLO leaders and are funding them to live in Qatar, but they're not investing in renewable green energy?

It just seems a very weird take to make this all about who has the best gay rights based on western standards. Seems very ethnocentric to me.

Yes R472 it reminds me of the neocons after 9/11 who tried to make that all about women's rights. They were going to go in and change these countries to suit their own beliefs.

OMG I've been outed as a serial poster on Datalounge

R472 It's called pinkwashing, a cynical display of concern for gay rights

Lots of you can’t wait to get more homophobic “migrants” and refugees here.

It's funny, you are "pink washing" if you respond to someone stating that Israel is just like every other Middle Eastern/Islamic country with regard to gay acceptance. Those very same people are implying that Israel is bad because of a false narrative (gay persecution), but then later say that gay and women's rights shouldn't even enter in to the equation when looking at the Middle East. I guess slavery (exists in Arab world by most peoples definition) shouldn't count either. We wouldn't want to be ethnocentric.

You people are very riled up over this, aren’t you?

How cute.

There’s war all the time, especially in the Middle East

Been watching it my whole life

Trump's big mouth with state secrets and documents gets results for him.

Around 600 Israelis are believed to have been killed . Mostly helpless civilians targeted.

More than 370 Palestinians are dead.

Americans amongst the killed and kidnapped.

Anderson has arrived on the scene.

^ Jeremy Corbin

[quote]This attack only benefits the criminal Netanyahu and his ultra-right-wing (and yes, homophobic) new government.

I don't think so. Israel's oldest newspaper, The Haaretz, in an oped today:

"The disaster that befell Israel on the holiday of Simchat Torah is the clear responsibility of one person: Benjamin Netanyahu. The prime minister, who has prided himself on his vast political experience and irreplaceable wisdom in security matters, completely failed to identify the dangers he was consciously leading Israel into when establishing a government of annexation and dispossession, when appointing Bezalel Smotrich and Itamar Ben-Gvir to key positions, while embracing a foreign policy that openly ignored the existence and rights of Palestinians."

Putin is behind this because this will end aid to Ukraine.He supplies Egypt and Iran with money , and they buy and funnel weapons to the Palestinians. Where would an impoverished country get weapons like the ones being used? Bebe’s easy to manipulate, and his goal has always been to erase Palestine. Now the U.S . will have to pour treasure and weapons into Israel. So the ends Ukraine’s life line.

Now is the time for Israel to wipe Palestinians from the face of the earth, then all of Islam must die, three billion, so be it, kill them all

" The Pentagon has ordered the Ford carrier strike group to sail to the Eastern Mediterranean to be ready to assist Israel, two U.S. officials said Sunday.

The USS Gerald R. Ford and its approximately 5,000 sailors and deck of warplanes will be accompanied by cruisers and destroyers in a show of force that is meant to be ready to respond to anything, from possibly interdicting additional weapons from reaching Hamas and conducting surveillance."

[quote]^ Jeremy Corbin

Corbyn was asked by a journalist if he condemned Hamas (who he has previously called his friends) and the murder of innocent civilians and he lost his temper and repeated the prepared "both sides" statement.

Thank fuck he was humiliated at the last election.

Oh god, America – stay out of it. Nothing but trouble waiting you there.

This goes to the entire Western world, for that matter.

What hell, R305? The one you choose to believe in? Not all of us are as credulous as you.

[quote] This also puts Trump back in the White House.

No it doesn't, R316. Get a grip.

[quote] The wost case scenario is that bombs are going to be dropping in Iran. I believe it will happen.

And no, that won't happen, either.

There will be a huge push to take care of Iran now before they get nuclear weapons.

Haaretz is reflexively anti-Netanyahu regardless of the issue.

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Seeing people slaughtered in the streets by terrorists hopefully shows protesters how petty their grievances were regarding judicial reform.

It is a decrepit civilization that ignores basic human needs like security and fights a civil war over the courts.

A lot of left wing Irish politicians have been celebrating the attacks, Sinn Fein/IRA supporters who support a united Ireland. They see the murders as politically justifiable,

Now it's being reported that an Irish woman was one of the young people at the rave and is missing.

Oh shut up, r494 and r495. There is zero connection between the two, and Israelis do not have to give up their judicial independence just to stay alive. What a false choice.

One could argue far more persuasively that if Netanyahu should have been doing his job to secure the country rather than initiate domestic squabbles to bolster his sagging popularity. Which one of you is Dick Cheney and which one is Donald Rumsfeld?

No actually the courts are the one check on the stupidity of Bibi. May that corrupt putz be voted put of office.

And may the Palestinians who want peace kick Hamas to the curb.

And all my FFs for a year to any poster who goes on a gay website and says it is shallow or ethnocentric to care about the rights and welfare of gay people. You are a disgrace, just pathetic.

R483, I agree with the assessment of The Haaretz that Netanyahu is directly responsible for the security breach--clearly he bears full responsibility. He is, after all, the leader of the country.

I still think, however, that it remains to be seen that he won't benefit from war and push through his right-wing agenda (although hopefully the Israelis are smarter than that, to let him get away with it), and it will certainly mean disaster for the Palestinians. But disaster and misery have always been in the cards for them (being in a no-win situation caused and exacerbated by Israel), other than being the unlucky recipients of the cynical "support" of terrorism from Iran and the like. The Palestinians are desperate people, hence, they embrace the worst behavior of others who purport to be fighting for them but are, effectively, helping to destroy them.

[quote] Irish woman (22) missing after Hamas attacks rave in southern Israel. ‘She’s a happy kid trying to have fun.

She's pretty so was probably taken back to Gaza to be gang raped and beaten

I wonder what would happen if Israel went to Gaza and kidnapped about 1000 of their children.

Like “lol ok let’s swap?”

Has Hanan Ashrawi emerged to do her talking head thing? Bitch wouldn’t shut up back in the day.

[quote]She's pretty so was probably taken back to Gaza to be gang raped and beaten

There are at least 250 dead bodies at the rave - many were gunned down on the spot and those who escaped and later caught were taken hostage. The women have been raped, bodies have been mutilated and some decapitated. Relatives are being asked to provide DNA so they can identify the bodies, as many of them didn't have ID on them or lost it in the chaos. Some young people played dead until the gunmen left.

3 men killed 90 at the Bataclan in Paris. Anders Breivik killed 69 people at the Norway camp. There were dozens of Palestinian gunmen.

^^^

When you don't give a shit about Jewish people but don't want to waste an opportunity to bash your enemy...

Josh Gad

[quote] There’s something I have to say because it’s really making (me) curious as to where we are as a society. Yesterday, I and the world watched as a Terrorist organization massacred 600 innocent humans and took children and families hostage. I posted a message of heartbreak and shock. I, who have always been critical of the Israeli Government and it’s pattern of occupation and their attacks on innocent Gazans was personally attacked, shamed, unfollowed and threatened. Instead of compassion & humanity…

[quote] People are treating this as if it’s a FOOTBALL match with two teams when the points scored are dead human bodies. Waving flags around as if they are team jerseys. Have we lost our fucking minds? Somewhere in a basement right now, tied up and terrified are little CHILDREN who have never done anything to hurt a Palestinian. Somewhere on the streets of Gaza are innocent people who are being shelled, because terrorists decided it was best to destroy any opportunity for peace. And the response is…

[quote] To shame people like me for expressing grief and heartache, the same grief I share anytime an innocent Palestinian is displaced or killed? Is this where we are? I guess it is. One of the many vile messages I will share with you that I received yesterday is: “my only regret is that they didn’t kill more Israelis.” Not soldiers… civilians. People. This isn’t a war. It’s a massacre. It’s a bloodbath. And instead of communal despair, so many are treating this as if it’s politics or a a rugby match…

[quote] There are no winners here. We are all losers. Most importantly, every Israeli and Palestinian is now on the losing end. I am truly at a loss. I guess I’m the naive one.

CNN: At least three Americans killed in the attacks.

And there are few things worse for those troops on the ground , or any civilians in the area , than building to building room to room ( looking for hostages and) fighting. And those hostages will be spread out and hidden among civilians who are not Hamas.

This will not be over soon and likely other countries will be drawn in,

We don’t have a speaker, we don’t have a budget, we have 100s of senior officer positions vacant, and we have an ongoing military recruiting crisis that has gone on for years.

We have a lot of internet talkers not enough troops.

r497: "There is zero connection between [Hamas's slaughter and Netanyahu's court plan], and Israelis do not have to give up their judicial independence just to stay alive. What a false choice."

Except there is a direct connection. Netanyahu's opponents chose to politicize the military.

All those protests amounted to nothing but corpses by the hundreds.

Security first.

Courts later.

r508 I still dont think this will devolve into a slew of international superpowers being involved that will require the US to send a large number of personnel...just like the Ukraine invasion the US will use tons of political positioning, sanctions, or whatever else to deescalate.

R502 Is she still alive? Seems like she's been around forever. She's Christian, but I guess the Palestinians didn't dare run her off.

R510

You think a US carrier group is on its way for moral support?

The USMC and the Army airborne are gearing up

R509, you manage to be even more disingenuous in your near fascist position. You claim “Netanyahu’s opponents chose to politicize the military,” yet the article you link is not nearly as histrionic. It says that 10,000 *reservists* said they would not show up if called, in protest of Netanyahu’s attempt to strong arm the court system. Reservists are not active duty, so they wouldn’t have prevented this. There is no evidence that they have declined to be activated after Hamas’ attack.

The sequence is that Bibi started this. So if anyone is to blame for compromising security with the courts, it’s him.

Your attempt to blame the democratic process is pretty craven.

Israel just cut off gas and electricity to Gaza. There are Israeli air strikes on Gaza every 15 minutes. There is no place to hide. This is what Israel does to the Palestinians. Sorry, but I don’t support Hamas, but I don’t support this, but again, I guess I do every time I pay taxes as an American.

"Your attempt to blame the democratic process is pretty craven"

The democratic process resulted in Netanyahu.

The other side should have won.

They didn't.

I blame the side that, in trying to undo the democratic process, opened the door to the gates of hell in Gaza.

And I think the same about the US. I don't give a shit about the courts, except the amount of money and time we waste fighting over them.

Fuck the fights over Ginsberg and Thomas.

Hamas is embedding themselves within the civilian population and infrastructure, which was the plan all along.

R501,,What if Israel kidnapped 1000 of the children in Gaza. They don’t have to, they just shoot them at protests and bomb their homes. Or jail them. Where have you been the last 20 years?

Israel has been broadcasting in Arabic for the civilian population in Gaza to head to the coast or southern border.

R511, according to Wiki she’s still alive but she must be getting up there in years now.

R517, at least according to Israel the killing of children and civilians is generally not directed at them, but the result of targeting Hamas or other military targets. There are certainly exceptions, but the Israelis often warn civilians at protests or before they bomb military targets. The West Bank and Gaza are incredibly dense, plus Hamas prefers to locate themselves near hospitals and schools and civilians so that Israelis will be blamed for their deaths. The savagery we’ve seen the last two days is different - the civilians are the targets.

I don’t ask you to take Israel’s side, but I genuinely mystified how you could expect them to give Hamas and Palestinians greater freedom. Can you identify a time when Palestinians have responded to Israeli concessions, such in Gaza, with peace?

R514 Yes. That's just terrible. How dare those mean Israelis cut off utilities to Gaza. Hell, they should be giving them gas and electric rebates and covering them in the Iron Dome to try and keep them all safe.

[quote] plus Hamas prefers to locate themselves near hospitals and schools and civilians so that Israelis will be blamed for their deaths

As does Hezbollah:

[quote]Hezbollah has fired rockets from a high school in the village of Kfar Shuba, using the children inside as human shields in an attack on an IDF base on Mount Dov. A mosque is also in close proximity to the high school, hindering the IDF from neutralizing the Hezbollah fighters. Where is @ UNIFIL?

[quote][R501],,What if Israel kidnapped 1000 of the children in Gaza. They don’t have to, they just shoot them at protests and bomb their homes. Or jail them. Where have you been the last 20 years?

When Israel shot hundreds of protestors at the fence in 2018 there was worldwide condemnation. I condemned it. It was appalling.

But not we know what those "protestors" would have done if they'd broken through and run riot.

I want to see a solution and peace but until Hamas/PLO value healthy Palestinians over dead Israelis, then it's not going to happen. "From the river to the sea" means the end of Israel's existence. How do men who spit on the bodies of murdered and raped women become good neighbours?

They make their own children human shields, which is an 'honor', then when the kids get blown up they turn around to the world and act like it's a travesty. For them, that's a win-win!

A religion where people are literally born just to die for it. In 2023.

They're sure different!

Per capita, the deaths from these atrocities perpetrated by the Palestinians is many more times the number of victims of 9/11. Israel has the moral right to clear Gaza down to the bedrock and obliterate anyone within the border.

This in an interesting analysis from The Duran. Basically, what Ukraine couldn't achieve (full political and ideological consensus among Western countries), has been instantly achieved through the Palestine/Israeli conflict. This has also caused BRICS Plus to be divided, as many of its members support Palestine and others, are unconditional supporters of Israel - incidentally, the only two countries that can remain neutral and are calling for peaceful negotiations are Russia and China, which have good relationships with both sides. This is just repugnant and it's horrifying how the US would destabilize the Middle East AGAIN in order to slow down its loss of power and political relevance, which has been rapidly lost through the Ukrainian proxy war.

What is absurd and stupid about my assertions, R311? Have you seen the global impact that Ukraine's war and sanctions against Russia and China have had for 90% of the economy, and how the only sectors that are rapidly expanding are those linked to the Military Industrial Complex? This will only cause further economic instability and spill throughout the region, which will impact energy supplied and therefore, PRICES. The economic impact that this will have for most countries will be EXTREME.

In order to avoid making concessions, we're shooting ourselves in the right foot after blowing off the left one, so the US can slow down its empire's collapse and neoliberalism can extend its disastrous global reign for a few more years... Also, the US is negotiating a deal with Saudi Arabia, in which they would provide that violent theocracy with NUCLEAR WEAPONS. Are we fucking insane?!?!?!!!!! This has to stop right now!

I'm sure the Palestinians love their children as it's only natural. If they could only love their children as much as they hate the Jews, perhaps there would be progress.

CNN: Americans are among the hostages being held in Gaza.

They aren't wired like the rest of us, R527.

R524 They think differently than westerners. So many Americans think that everyone ultimately thinks like they do and it's just not the case. They aren't born with a different code of moral conduct, but it is very muck apart of their culture.

Washington, DC — Maya Krishna-Rogers, a spokesperson for Senator Cory Booker (D-NJ), issued the following statement:

"On Friday, October 6, Senator Booker arrived in Israel for several days of planned meetings and site visits ahead of the start of an Abraham Accords-focused N7 summit on regional economic integration in Tel Aviv, at which he was scheduled to speak on Tuesday. Senator Booker and accompanying staff were in Jerusalem when Hamas launched their attacks against Israel on Saturday, and sheltered in place for their safety. We are grateful that Senator Booker and our colleagues were able to safely depart Israel earlier today."

As much as I wish the earth would open up and swallow the entire middle east, if I had to choose a neighbor: Muslim or Jew, I'd choose a Jewish neighbor and day.

WSJ: Iran Helped Plot Attack on Israel Over Several Weeks

Islamic Republic security officials helped plan Hamas’s Saturday surprise attack on Israel and gave the green light for the assault at a meeting in Beirut last Monday, according to senior members of Hamas and Hezbollah, another Iran-backed militant group.

r528: "CNN: Americans are among the hostages being held in Gaza."

Biden should threaten to sterilize every Gazan if anything happens to Americans.

Problem solved. It then just becomes a waiting game.

R534, that is exactly what the Nazis contemplated as a solution to “the Jewish problem.” Of course, they were impatient and opted otherwise, Great company you keep.

r535 - you are on the side of the murderers who are killing the Jews.

I'm on the other side with the captive Jews and Americans.

Now you think back to WW2 and figure out which side that puts you on.

Sincerely,

R534

Oh, this again.

Israel and Palestine should just nuke each other and be done. It's really embarrassing that there are wars still over archaic religious beliefs of some sky genie.

R536, you are suggesting sterilizing a population for slow-motion genocide. That definitely puts you on one side, though not the one you presuppose.

Israel actually has the nukes to do that r537 but of course too close for the fallout. But I agree, tired of this shit between two religions.

[quote]As much as I wish the earth would open up and swallow the entire middle east, if I had to choose a neighbor: Muslim or Jew, I'd choose a Jewish neighbor and day.

Your Muslim neighbor you just had an argument will will behead you in your sleep, you Jewish neighbor will be a squatter in your house until it becomes his own.

Not to both sides that point, but I think everyone has had a neighbor they would like to behead in their sleep or vice versa.

Islam is particularly dangerous - yes there are specific political factors like the funding of Wahhabism that have led to the current dynamic but the fact is the text itself is especially violent and totalitarian compared to other religions. Hitler in his private musings talked about wishing the Turks had succeeded in spreading Islam throughout Europe because it would have been ideal for cultivating a culture of war and conquest.

Yes, Islam is dangerous! - Catholic Crusaders of Europe

R540 In all seriousness, if the Jew is a typical Israeli (secular 80%) he will be friendly. This is especially true if you are a gay couple with children around their children's ages. They might not be as politically liberal as American Jews, but will likely be socially liberal. If the neighbor is Muslim, you can hope that all they do is ignore you as that would be the best you could hope for. They almost certainly will not be your friends (assuming you are gay).

Palestinians want peace, it's Israel that prefers the status quo. Peace would mean ending the occupation. Peace would mean higher costs for Israel. The only time Israel has given up occupied territory is when Western powers force them to.

"Israel, for its part, has consistently opted for stalemate rather than the sort of agreement outlined above. The reason is obvious: the deal’s cost is much higher than the cost of making no deal. The damages Israel would risk incurring through such an accord are massive. They include perhaps the greatest political upheaval in the country’s history; enormous demonstrations against – if not majority rejection of – Palestinian sovereignty in Jerusalem and over the Temple Mount/Noble Sanctuary; and violent rebellion by some Jewish settlers and their supporters.

There could also be bloodshed during forcible evacuations of West Bank settlements and rifts within the body implementing the evictions, the Israeli army, whose share of religious infantry officers now surpasses one third. Israel would lose military control over the West Bank, resulting in less intelligence-gathering, less room for manoeuvre in future wars, and less time to react to a surprise attack. It would face increased security risks from a Gaza-West Bank corridor, which would allow militants, ideology and weapons-production techniques to spread from Gaza training camps to the West Bank hills overlooking Israel’s airport. Israeli intelligence services would no longer control which Palestinians enter and exit the occupied territories. The country would cease extraction of the West Bank’s natural resources, including water, lose profits from managing Palestinian customs and trade, and pay the large economic and social price of relocating tens of thousands of settlers."

R543 Crusaders? That's like refusing to go to Italy because you harbor a grudge over the Roman Empire.

[quote] Tuberville’s monthslong blockade also includes some officers in line to command U.S. forces in the Middle East, including Rear Adm. George Wikoff, who was tapped to lead the 5th Fleet that includes naval forces operating there.

[quote] The current 5th Fleet commander, Vice Adm. Brad Cooper, is set to be promoted to deputy commander of U.S. Central Command, which oversees troops and military operations in the Middle East. But his move is also one of more than 300 held up by Tuberville.

[quote] The hold also includes the deputy director of strategy, plans and policy at Central Command, the deputy commander of Air Forces in Central Command, and the deputy commander of 5th Fleet.

[quote] Democrats could force votes on any of these nominees at any time. Yet Senate Democratic leadership for months has remained steadfast against holding individual votes for military nominations, citing the length of time it would take to get through them all and the precedent of quick, en masse confirmations for uniformed leaders.

Israel will not annex the territories because it would threaten the demographics of the Jewish State. The cost of occupation is worth it until someone or something makes the cost of the status quo worse.

R543, that's a great point!

Except for the fact that the Crusades were a thousand years ago.

Most people moved on. Except for you know who.

R543 saying that Islam is more dangerous than other religions isn’t the same as saying other religions aren’t dangerous - in the same way that saying a 50 caliber bullet is particularly deadly doesn’t mean that you can take a 9mm to the head

R549, here in the U.S. we’re having serious problems with fascist Christians. I wouldn’t casually write them off.

Anybody go to the rally?

R545 Palestinians want peace? Do you really believe that? You may dislike Jews, Israelis or whatever, but statements like the Palestinians want peace are absolutely ridiculous. The Palestinians want the Jews out and that is the solution they've been holding out for since 1948. Israel would be in much better shape if they had peace with their Arab neighbors. The security costs, not to mention the emotional costs, have been enormous. That is not to say that I agree with decision Israel has made and I am not a fan of Netanyahu, but compared to Hamas...no comparison. Right now I think the world is seeing it. Europe has now been primed with their own Muslim problems and are probably beginning to see things a little differently.

Bill Maher will make a lot of hay out this. He's probably already jabbering on X about it.

R545, thank you very much for providing a different point of view. The fact that we're refusing to hear Palestinian points of view and dehumanizing them completely, is truly terrifying - we're repeating the same propaganda model that has been applied against Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Russia and China, and the fact that we haven't learned anything about how we're being manipulated into supporting the total obliteration of innocent human beings, is heartbreaking.

Yes, I don't support what has happened (I have already written about how a Single State solution in which Palestinians are integrated into Israel and given full rights is the only real solution), but the fact that we're stifling all the voices that try to present another side of the events is preoccupying, especially because it will lead to further violence.

This event is likely to increase global anti-semitism.

Oil markets opened at 6PM EST; WTI up over $2 already.

R555, unfortunately a one state solution is out of the cards. You would be asking Israelis to live side by side with people who burned the elderly in their home, took toddlers as hostages, and mowed down 250 people at a concert.

The Palestinians could have had their own state, with more land than they have currently, had they accepted the UN partition in 1947. They preferred to attack Israel. They could have had their own state in Gaza, but rather than looking at how Egypt regained land by making peace, they preferred to attack Israel.

There is no sane person who would do what you are asking Israel to do.

[quote] The Palestinians want the Jews out and that is the solution they've been holding out for since 1948.

More like Israel wants the Palestinians out buddy boy. Just look a map.

[quote] The Palestinians want the Jews out and that is the solution they've been holding out for since 1948.

Lie. Try reading the article.

[quote]but statements like the Palestinians want peace are absolutely ridiculous. The Palestinians want the Jews out and that is the solution they've been holding out for since 1948

Well, if that's what it takes, it still means they want peace. You just don't like the solution because it means Jews would have to give up what was taken.

r543: "Yes, Islam is dangerous! - Catholic Crusaders of Europe"

lol

R561, Israel gave up all settlements in Gaza. Palestinians in Gaza gave power to Hamas. Are you really suggesting that peace with Israel is something they want?

Muslims, Christians, Jews, you are all cultist religious cunts. You all kill in the name of religion or hide behind it as your cloak of victim hood.

And we have a winner, @R557 - if you follow the money, you'll always find that every war has the purpose of increasing the wealth and power of the elites.

R558, how many Palestinian people have been massacred throughout the years by the Israeli army and even settlers? Many more than we can imagine. Horrible acts of violence have been perpetrated by both sides and politicians have kept escalating this conflict until any possible solution was off the table: perpetual conflict, banishment or annihilation will be the only results of this tragedy, which has been deliberately set up to continue by the Israeli and US Military Industrial Complexes.

Palestinians have as much right to that land as the Jewish people do. They've both been living in the Holy Land for thousands of years and it is indispensable for them to share it under conditions of full equality - how can we expect them to be happy with the idea of being kicked out of certain areas and being banned from living in their own country? Palestinians and Israelis share a genetic and cultural legacy, for millennia they spoke the same language and they BOTH own that country. Why should they be denied the opportunity to share in the prosperity of Israel? Can't you see that this is what lies at the source of this conflict?

We need to stop demonizing either part and advocate for peace and the creation of a single country where everyone is granted the same rights. Anything else will only cause further escalation and bring about an endless war that will end up completely destroying the Middle East.

"Muslims, Christians, Jews, you are all cultist religious cunts. You all kill in the name of religion or hide behind it as your cloak of victim hood. "

lol you can kill lots more if you drop the religion

[quote] Israel gave up all settlements in Gaza

Gaza is still occupied territory.

Following the withdrawal, Israel continues to maintain direct control over Gaza's air and maritime space, six of Gaza's seven land crossings, maintains a no-go buffer zone within the territory, controls the Palestinian population registry, and Gaza remains dependent on Israel for its water, electricity, telecommunications, and other utilities.

Why do we care about Israel? I never was clear on that.

R503, link?

R565, you are not addressing the reality. It’s as though someone shot members of your family and then some high-minded American suggested that everyone should live in the same house in peace and harmony. But what is more disingenuous is that you 100% know that Israelis would be outnumbered in a one state solution.

Nevermind, R503, found it. Holy fucking shit!!!

R562, I agree that Muslims don't have a right to claim victimhood over the Crusades (most of which were waged against European religious movements that challenged the Catholic Church's authority, and Eastern pagans who refused to convert and pay tithes to the Church, by the way), but the Palestinian people are also a conquered people, because they are not Arabs and they were not Muslims before they were forced to convert n the 7th Century.

This is NOT a purely religious issue, as it has been misrepresented as being. Catholic and Orthodox Palestinians are also discriminated. This is caused by an unwillingness to share the limited resources within a poor country that relies on foreign aid in order to exist in its present form. The sad thing is that if both parties collaborated, they could overcome the majority of the limitations imposed on them by the poverty of the land.

R567 Where has the billions given to the Palestinians gone?

R558 then please explain how you would implement a (viable) two state solution at this point. The Israelis certainly aren't going to do it willingly. In my view it would take the US turning on Israel and implementing controls on the country like it did on Germany and Japan during WWII to force it. Never going to happen.

FTL Israel supporters beating Hamas supporters

Hope some of the Wilton Manors queens got a few licks in.

R574, I don’t think a two state solution is really possible either. The Palestinians rejected it, right-wing Israelis will fight it, and almost no Arab states are willing to recognize that Israel is a state.

But I also think creating a single state is now impossible. The Hamas “freedom fighters” killed senior citizens - not as collateral casualties - but as direct targets.

I have heard many Israelis willing to compromise for peace. It was done successfully with Egypt. Where are the Palestinians who are leading the charge for peace?

Good, R575! It is about time the world stood up against these fuckers.

Looks like Iran might need to be taken out.

Part 2 below to continue the conversation

R560 I did take the time to read The Guardian article. Both The Guardian and Nathan Thrall are known to have an ant-Israel bias. I can read CNN and NBC News and not know the opinion until I've read the article, not so with Guardian. I know who the 100% victim and 100% villain is before I finish the first paragraph. The fact is, it's Israel that has given up mass amounts of land (including their only oil) and making their borders much more difficult to defend from hostal neighbors for a signature on a piece of paper. I lived in Israel when the Sinai Peninsula went to Egypt and the Israeli settlements were removed. There is precedent for that. Just because I have a different opinion than you doesn't make me a liar, but name calling makes you an asshole.

R576 The Palestinians wanted a state conforming the the 1967 borders. It is the minimum according to international law (they could have asked for 1947 borders)

What they were offered was a non-contiguous region divided 4 ways. They were offered bantustans in other words.

Egypt, Jordan and the UAE recognize Israel statehood.

[quote]Gaza is still occupied territory.

Nope. Gaza is under blockade by Egypt and Israel, but neither country occupies Gaza.

[quote] Gaza is under blockade by Egypt and Israel, but neither country occupies Gaza.

Lol.

You have a strange sense of humor, r583. Does this amuse you?

R581, at this point it doesn’t matter. Palestinians could have made deals in the past and had a state. They wanted more.

But now. They killed a child in front of her family, not because the family was a threat or near a military target. In cold blood, out of hatred. They slaughtered people for the crime of attending a concert.

I’m sorry, but the empathy for Palestinians who are caught in the middle of war will be gone for a long time. It’s as though BLM has responded to George Floyd’s murder by massacring white grade schoolers in Minneapolis.

And a hint to the Palestinian activists? It is way too early to blame Israel because Hamas chose to target elderly Jews in wheelchairs.

Fuck off R584. The imbecility of saying Gaza isn't occupied was SO absurd I couldn't help myself. Somebody needs to tell Gaza it's not occupied after all!!!! All breathes freedom and peace.

[QUOTE] I’m sorry, but the empathy for Palestinians who are caught in the middle of war will be gone for a long time.

And the world said....yawn.

What a horrible world we live in. So much evil.

The world has always been shit, r588. Pick up a history book.

R586, many of us who understand that “occupied” means to be inside rather than surrounding find your post fairly imbecile. Especially since Israel actually did physically occupy Gaza in the past.

Why is it that Egypt is not willing to open their gates? I suppose they just can’t appreciate the beautiful peaceful nature of these people

You keep using that word, r586. I do not think it means what you think it means.

[quote] many of us who understand that “occupied” means to be inside rather than surrounding

then many of you would be deliberately obtuse.

I'm sure it really sucks to live in Gaza. The situation really worsened after Hamas was elected by the people of Gaza at which point Israel and Egypt really tightened the borders. The reason for that, wasn't for cruelties sake, but rather self preservation. Unfortunately, there is no path to peace possible with Hamas.

[QUOTE] I’m sorry, but the empathy for Palestinians who are caught in the middle of war will be gone for a long time.

Duly noted, hunty.

I get the need for Israel. But not at the expense of living space for the Palestinians.

R591 Based on the long held definition of "occupied territory" you would be correct. Definitions change and especially, but not only, when it makes Israel the bad guy. In reality, Israel and Egypt control what gets in and out of the Hamas governed Gaza Strip. Just imagine if they had open land, sea and air borders. I would none-the-less hate to live there even if I was a wealthy government official.

Just saw the Israeli Ambassador to the UN saying that this is Israel's 9/11.

Just thinking about the famous quote from the great Israeli diplomat, Abba Eban: "The Arabs never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity." Truer words were never spoken. With the passage of time, it has become more difficult to make a 2 state solution as was the original partition plan. Everything could have been much better for everyone if the partition of 2 Arab states and 1 Jewish state had been accepted rather than decades of hostility.

Animals!

Does this mean Jesus is coming back?