Bryan Fuller is accused

Looks like a total creeper

Well, that's unfortunate.

He's created and/or run some of the best shows and worked on several more like Trek. He definitely had a creative flair.

As an aside, I saw that documentary and created a thread about it on datalounge. Not much interest.

I thought Jeffrey Dahmer died?

Hotter than Weinstein.

If those allegations are true then he needs to go.

He looks like skinny (but still ugly) Jonah Hill.

Surprise anal has no place in the workspace!

Overreaction. Should have approached him privately. Destroying people’s careers and lives over these oversteps is grotestque. And bad karma for the accusers, who — if they have any sense of fairness and a conscience — are left years later with dread and guilt over completely ruining someone because they copped a feel.

R9 did you read the allegations? That's like going directly to the school bully and telling him you're not appreciating how he's treating you. Except he's basically your employer.

R9 Losing your job is completely appropriate for a pattern of sexual harassment and what is clearly extremely unprofessional and inappropriate behavior. I can only wonder how many people you violated yourself. There's nothing grotesque about holding people accountable. Freak.

No wonder he can't seem to keep a job

Fucking hell I knew there was a reason we never got Hannibal back. No one wanted to work with this clown again. He makes brilliant television but clearly has personal issues.

He’s a selfish prick and not that great. Totally believe the accusations.

The accuser seems like yet another millennial who's found things aren't working out professionally in the way he wanted, so he's decided to try and yank on the victimhood cash machine. Not a great look.

[quote]making constant references to masturbation, engaging in casual bullying, and creating a hostile work environment

I worked in both men's and women's magazines for 20 years. If this is his threshold for suing, he wouldn't have lasted until lunch on his first day in any environment.

R15, with “yank” being the operative word.

R9 and r15 must be sexual predators who rub their dicks on people at work. And spare your whining about millennials, there were sexual harassment lawsuits decades ago.

Not surprised by this at all—this has to be at least part of why he gets fired from every job.

Yeah, there seems to be a lot of chaos around this guy. Professionally, he’s clearly creative and has talent but he keeps getting fired or moved on from projects? All is not quite right.

At this point, is Greg Berlanti the only gay mega-producer that hasn't been accused of something?

R20, yes, unless you count good taste.

R 11: I guess this will come as a shock to you, but throughout my whole career I never violated anyone. One can think this mania for destroying lives because someone cops a feel is as (or even more) destructive than the original transgression and not be a masher or abuser. Fuller crossed a lot of lines and should mend his ways, not driven to suicide, or rednered unemployable.

So you think sexual assault should come without consequences for the assaulter? Are you insane?

If you sexually assault or harass someone at work, there should be serious consequences. Does it mean they can never work again? Not necessarily, but their rep should take a hit.

If not, what is deter anyone from abusing their power like that?

The truth is, most of these scumbags get away with it again and again because accusers are afraid to come forward because, best-case scenario, they are believed, but their rep is tainted by being a whistleblower. (Employers, no matter what they say, just want their people to never make waves.)

If you know someone who has ever come forward to report a boss for any sort of malfeasance, typically that person had to leave the company, sometimes exiting the industry or taking a step down. If they haven’t, they’re an exception to the rule.

You have to admit, “drier than NPR" is pretty funny.

VOTN, has Ryan Murphy been accused of anything, other than being a schlockmeister?

And here come the "he said this or that " kill him brigade

^ No one is killing him. Nice try, though

R22 Hi Bryan. Don't rub your boner against people at work. It's not that complicated.

[quote]VOTN, has Ryan Murphy been accused of anything, other than being a schlockmeister?

I always wondered if there was some casting couch stuff going on, particularly with Glee. Really wondered about it when Blake Jenner won the Glee Project.

Perhaps I just assume he's been up to bad shit because it seems like so many of his sets were toxic.

Not buying it.

You may not be buying it, but others who worked on the film are backing up the accuser’s claims.

But from your position on the couch you likely have a much better view of what really went down.

Lawyers for innocent people don't usually make statements like Fuller's lawyer did.

[quote]But now, two of Wineman’s collaborators are speaking up on his behalf. Jordan Crucchiola, an associate producer on Queer for Fear and have both spoken out on X (formerly Twitter) in support of Wineman, who they say they were in contact with when the alleged harassment was taking place.

[quote]“I was an associate producer on Queer For Fear, before my name was taken off the credits, for several months in 2021,” Jordan Crucchiola posted. “And I was present for or told in real time about what is alleged against Bryan Fuller in this lawsuit. I stand with Sam telling the truth.”

[quote]“Make no mistake: All of the time stamped text messages exchanged between me and Sam for months during production of the docuseries will prove more than sufficiently that we discussed Fuller’s conduct as it happened. Constantly,” she added.

[quote]“I heard from Sam in real time as these things happened to him. I stand firmly beside my friend and collaborator,” composer Andrew Scott Bell, who said his score was ultimately removed from the final series, added. “We have to stand up to the monsters.”

[quote]and talked about “wanking it” to adult/child power dynamics in stories.

Atta girl!

R33, that was an amazingly unprofessional statement.

R34 innocent or guilty…that man needs a MAKEOVER, asap! Gads.

Have the fraus overrun this website? Anyone who thinks this is genuinely something worth ending a career over is insane. Did he rape anyone? Even assault them? What fucking wimps everyone is.

R38, get help. Your moral compass is broken.

I do think things that people do, that weren't really seen as inappropriate even 5 years ago, are now seen as awful. I'm somewhere in the middle of thinking its over reaction( I guess I grew up knowing life would throw obstacles in my way and u just had to deal with it)... then I ask myself wud I ever do such things to people and the answer is No. But wud I take it, maybe for a while then leave; hating the guy and carrying a grudge and telling anyone who'd listen; but wud I have them charged; I dont think so; I think my friends wud think I was being silly and just be glad to be out of the situation. Bullying from bosses is a regular occurance no? Isn't that why we all hate our bosses(historically?). I just think I'd feel the police and courts have too much to deal with without me seeing cos I was intimidated by an asshole.

So you'd rather eat shit because your toxic friends might look down on you? Possibly the most pathetic post on this site.

Abuse has been normalized in our community.

As someone who was drugged and raped (and then my BF, who was actually jealous of my unconscious encounter, refused to believe me), I get why no guy wants to come forward.

We are all sex fiends so secretly welcome it, right? Like I was fortunate to have my drink drugged because the guy who fucked me when I was blacked out had a big dick? I really wanted to wake up after it was over, with my ass killing me?

Everyone wants to excuse people who exploit their power or use coercion.

I can’t explain it.

Humblebrag.

R43, you’re right. No one would fuck you.

Variety has an article about a parade of people defending Fuller. Though, to me, it just makes him sound just as guilty. There's nothing to actually counter the allegations, and instead these people just seem to be shitting on Wineman for not being talented enough. And given how Fuller's lawyer has already behaved, it feels like it's an attempt to shift focus

And in response to that article, a very long thread from Jordan Crucchiola pointing out a number of inaccuracies and twistings of the truth, etc.

Oh and

[quote]“Everybody was treated with such respect and joy,” she says. “Like Michael Feinstein came in and gave me a back rub. I mean weird, fun stuff like that happened. It was a light set. There was nothing dark.”

doesn't exactly sound like a solid defence

It is disappointing to hear these accusations. Fuller is undeniably talented and inventive.

That said, he's had issues on nearly every project he's worked on and almost always left those projects early.

[quote] You have to admit, “drier than NPR" is pretty funny.

Especially so, since I was talking about his hole…

He looks like David Harbour’s creepy uncle that lives in the basement.

Girl, that try-hard hair!!!

Clearly his most abhorrent offense.

Yawn! This is just another case of the Left wanting to destroy another successful white man.

It's true that Hollywood is one of the slowest industries to recognize and adopt the new standards of workplace behavior. They've always allowed outrageous workplace harassment of various kind. It's also true that these new standards are quite different from the old standards for how one behaves at work.

Harvey was the canary in the entertainment industry's coal mine. Once he went down, everybody was fair game and the new standards now have to be acknowledged and respected.

Do I think Fuller should lose his career over minor sexual shenanigans in the workplace? No I don't think his behavior rises to that level. I'm old and learned workplace etiquette decades ago, not now. The way I see things is quite different to the way young people see them. I can see why Fuller was a liability who was moved on from his other shows and I can see why he wasn't fired and involved in scandal if this kind of horseplay was the extent of his activities at work.

So people should just accept abuse at work because it's unreasonable to expect old people to change their habits? What utter nonsense.

I wonder if R52 knows he’s blocked as a troll.

Another lynch mob where everyone wants to show off how virtuous they are. Give me a break.

I simply have different opinions on what constitutes "abuse" that rises to the level of a termination of employment than you do, R54. That's still allowed on the Datalounge, is it not?

If you stop foaming at the mouth for a moment and read my entire post, you will find that I acknowledged the new rules of workplace interactions and stated quite plainly that they must now be adhered to by everyone. I also noted that for decades of life and work, these rules were not in effect. If they had them written down somewhere, they certainly were not enforced.

I do wonder how long the accuser worked for Fuller and how long these shenanigans openly went on before he realized that it was inappropriate and decided to sue?

R57 Does piss-fucking your employees qualify as shenanigans?

r57 Really? You think my post was "foaming at the mouth"?

Explain why someone who breaks the rules and abuses power should not be fired.

Yes, really, R59.

I'm not going to explain anything to you, it's unnecessary. I've explained my views more than enough and you're too argumentative. If you want a fight that bad, go start it with someone else, dear.

We have a difference of opinion on what rises to the level of a termination of employment offence in this case. I have no need to convince you that my point of view is one that you must share. I am not required to defend my views to anonymous strangers on the internet. By the same token, your point of view is not one that I must share and I'm sure that you have no need to defend it to an anonymous stranger on the internet.

We disagree. End of.

I wasn't asking you to convince me, I was asking you to explain your...well, let's be charitable and call it "thinking". And instead you break down into a hissy fit. Just suggests that once all the unnecessary blather is stripped away, you realised how ridiculous your comments are.

It is hilarious though, that you're so thin-skinned that you get the vapors over some mild questioning of your posts, while you simultaneously defend Fuller's right to press his dick into someone's back without getting fired.

Girls, you’re both pretty!

Take your squabbles somewhere else.

Sam Wineman is hot. Bryan Fuller is not.