RFK, Jr. to run as Independent

Isn't this a couple months ago, and the normal world gave a collective "Eh....🙄🤷‍♂️" then?

No way he'd have had a chance as a Democrat, so, whatever crackhead, you do you.

The freaks that will vote for him wouldn't have voted for Biden anyway, OP. The conspiracy MAGATs will, however, so this is bad news for Donny Twoscoops. Try harder next time OP.

Maybe we’ll get lucky and he’ll emulate his dad in a certain way

Well, even if it doesn’t make a dent, he’s still a fucking asshole and high on the power his name and upbringing have given him. Like the Kennedy who ran against an experienced, solid congressman in Massachusetts. Let’s hope Robert has the same outcome.

He’s going to siphon off more Republicans than Democrats. I have family members that are wacko conservatives that think he’s great.

Time for Joe to pardon Sirhan Sirhan.

He might have a shot if he went full night Pop and stopped wearing shirts altogether.

A loon who attracts nothing but other loons, nutters and Qunts.

Bad news for thugs!

[quote] I have family members that are wacko conservatives that think he’s great.

I’m hearing this a lot. It’s nonsense. They like him because he’ll siphon votes away from Biden. They won’t VOTE for him.

He will absolutely hurt Biden in the swing states. He’ll get the votes Biden might otherwise get from undecideds who loathe trump but are lukewarm at best on Biden.

Is that Lou Diamond Philips in the background on the left?

R9, how many "undecideds" will support a racist conspiracy theorist?

Are you one of the people who thought Kanye would steal all the black voters away from Biden? That didn't happen

Good riddance.

In that pic of RJK Jr. @R7, he looks like some roided out muscle queen ready to stroll up and down the hallways of the nearest gay bath house.

Ick.

[quote] how many "undecideds" will support a racist conspiracy theorist?

Are you new to this planet? Trump is a literal insurrectionist and he’s ahead in some polls, and he won in 2016 FFS. Step out of the echo chamber.

The curse needs to strike.

Surprise, surprise.

What a whore.

R7, does RFK, Jr shave his chest? His father was very hairy.

If so, fuck him for denying his family's hirsute legacy.

Won't he drain more votes from the GOP?

In some states, neither Biden nor Trump can afford to lose votes to RFK, Jr.

We'd love to have First Lady Cheryl Hines!

Nate silver said it’s good for Biden

R21, Nate doesn’t always get it right.

RFK Jr. is a total loon and he has no real constituency.

When election day comes the support for third-party candidates tends to crater. I think he'll get more votes from potential Trump voters.

[quote]Not good news for Biden.

Lol sure, Jan.

The Maggots are voting for JFK, Jr. Get it right.

The only people I know who are supporting him are otherwise Republican. Anecdotal, I know.

I think he's more likely to take votes away from Trump. Anti vax. Conspiracies up the wazoo. Weird position on abortion. Antisemitic bloopers. Much more appealing to MAGA sensibilities. OP are you a Russian troll or just stupid?

R27 Plus he's made remarks about how the US caused Ukraine to go to war with Russia or some such nonsense. The anti-Ukraine (Russia is the real victim here) stance is definitely a MAGA talking point.

[quote] Time for Joe to pardon Sirhan Sirhan.

R6 The pardon would have to come from Gavin Newsom. With RFK Sr. assassinated in Los Angeles, Sirhan Sirhan was charged, tried, and convicted by the State of California and incarcerated in the California state prison system.

R27 must suffer from amnesia.

I’ve never forgiven Nader.

RFK jr. is a lunatic with no political base. I don't know a single Democrat who would vote for him. As others have stated, his message is entirely right-wing talking points. The type of Democrat who would vote for anyone named Kennedy died out over a decade ago. RFK might appeal to some independents but his supporters right now are all right wing anti-vax loonies.

How is he going to get on the ballot in 50 states?

I only know MAGATs or Libertarians (who only vote Republican) who are into this loon. Every Democrat I know or follow sees him for what he is: insane. "bBad for Biden"? Sure thing, sis!

He’s a twat.

A parade, a convertible, a nice sunny day.

He has pointy nipples. He needs to keep his shirt on.

I'm waiting for him to freak out and commit a roid-rage physical assault on someone, a reporter, a heckler, anyone who upsets his babyman self esteem. He's really losing it. I think cops should not be allowed to use steroids, and should be regularly tested as well. They make people dangerous.

People with constantly boiled red skin like him are off-putting. Alex Jones and Joe Rogan also look deep fired, too. It's gross AF and creepy.

Hate to break it to R9 and the other intrusive, q-anon loons. Ain’t no real Democrats gonna vote for this freak. People are more informed than ever with democracy on the line. Keep whining.

Third party candidates can cause significant damage.

George Wallace, Ralph Nader, Ross Perot, etc.

He’s a hot daddy bear but that voice

The "not good news for Biden" trope is ridiculous. The only people voting for this guy are the same unhinged conspiracy theorist crazies voting for Trump. So it's bad news for him.

We all need to remember 2016.

No one believed Trump would beat Hillary, not even Trump.

Anything can happen between now and November of 2024.

Whether you think RFK, Jr. is a loon and nothing to worry about or not, his running as an Independent could have repercussions.

What is it with the boiled red skin - high blood pressure? Alcoholism?

Lobster boi

[quote]RFK, Jr. to run as Independent Not good news for Biden.

Fuck off, troll.

This corrupt lunatic will suck more votes from the GOP than the Democrats.

The red skin is a combo of sun damage, alcohol damage, and Irish ancestry.

It’s the Democrats own fault for not going through a regular primary campaign process and defeating and disposing of him there.

[quote] Ain’t no real Democrats gonna vote for this freak.

Then it’s only all those votes of the “not real” Democrats you have to worry about. You know, the kind that are in the swing states.

Delusion is residing at R47.

"Ain’t no real Democrats gonna vote for this freak. "

While I generally agree he will peel away more nut job Republicans than Democrats, there's still risk here - especially with how close these elections are now. One thing that freaks me out? People like my friend Candace. She's a wealthy microfiber yoga mommy who in the past few years has gone CRAZY antivaxx. She is way liberal on social issues, but she's also been red pilled a little - almost a lil Qanon.

And there are a lot of women like that out there. Again, I dont think this fuckface is nearly the spoiler people are saying he is, but all it takes is a few lunatics at the margins to make a massive difference in electoral outcomes.

Concern troll at R51.

Nobody cares about him. It will be a Kanye 2.0 run

He's backed by Bannon, stone, and PUTIN, R49. SO that makes RFK, Jr their fault not Democrats fault.

Why don’t we claim that RFK Jr. is simply the placeholder for JFK and JFK Jr.? Run ads, inundate the internet and the rumor mill. That will get the Q-Anoners all excited, and we know they’re right wing nuts.

R10, he looks like a mashup of Lou Diamond Phillips and the corpse of Vladimir Lenin.

[QUOTE] She's a wealthy microfiber yoga mommy who in the past few years has gone CRAZY antivaxx.

Mary. What kind of company do you keep?

R52, stop worrying about RFK Jr. He is not pulling votes from Biden. He’s an anti-vaxx lunatic whose politics veer to the far right in most instances.

Retardation is residing @ R51

R59, Overconfidence loses elections.

Hillary won the election by 3 million votes. The EC is not an “election.” Jabba the Trump has lost every single election in which he has run.

R62, She won the battle and lost the war.

R61, after 2016, no fucking way any Dem is overconfident. If RFK Jr. ends up running, Dems will devise a strategy to deal with him. They won’t be wringing their hands and crying, “I’m skeered!”

Yeah, the Dems are really good at devising strategies.

Bless your heart, R64.

What is wrong with him? He sounds wacko. Unless he knows something we don’t. Which is possible in this world where we have forgotten the iron law of oligarchy.

R65, they seem to be doing ok with their strategy lately. Especially compared to Repukes, who are all in on Dump. You can see where it got Repukes today. And thanks for blessing my heart! Bless yours as well, honey!

Do chewy nips appeal more to MAGA or Democrats?

Can you imagine listening to him give the State of the Union speech?

Biden’s official 2024 campaign song.

R28 His son, Conor, went to Ukraine and fought on their behalf.

But what does Cheryl have to say??

Nearly if not all of the support online I've seen from RFK has come from right wingers or people who voted for Trump in 2020. This will hurt Trump.

R71, who is Conor supporting in 2024?

Would Trump choose him for VP?

Goop loves him.

Yup, this will haemorrhage support from the more moderate Republicans who are uncomfortable with Trump’s psychopathy yet filled with antivax conspiracy bullshit.

[quote]Goop loves him.

The poor dumb thing.

Another one of Ethel's litter who's batshit crazy but then she wasn't exactly mother-of-the-year.

[quote]Would Trump choose him for VP?

The non-believer in climate change, Operation Warp Speed guy and the believer in climate change anti-vax guy would seem to have little in common politically.

He's rat-face wife is pushing him. She want 2 B First Ladie !

No Democrat is voting for anyone not named President Joe Biden.

Those of a certain age might think it justification to see another Kennedy in the Oval Office.

R82, Kamala Harris is Joe’s albatross.

Who are those people r83? You mean the old people who vote Republican?

How old are you R85?

R86, what does that matter? I asked who those people are who you think will vote for a Kennedy? Just a reminder—a bunch of third generation Kennedys have run for office with no success.

R87, Two(2) is not a bunch. Kathleen Kennedy Townsend and Joseph P. Kennedy III.

The only people so obsessed with the Kennedys as to vote for this loon are QAnonners.

R83, You DO know how long ago 1960-1963 was, don't you?

R84, No. Trump is the Republicans' albatross. I know what you're implying, of course, but nobody votes based on the possible successor, and certainly not when the Primaries alternative is a nutcase, and the General Election opponent is looking like he will be under indictment.

I wonder if Kanye Hamsterface is running again? American politics is such an embarrassing shitshow.

His website proclaims boldly -- so boldly I wonder if it's his slogan --

[bold]I'M A [italic]KENNEDY[/italic] DEMOCRAT.[/bold]

Clearly this guy is kept afloat by dark $$ and god knows who else funds Kennedys's anti-vaxxer/anti-democracy activities. The intention was to hurt Biden, just bleed enough off of him in key places, but my *hope* is that the longer he stays in the race & isn't a novelty act, the press and Ronan Farrow-types will expose was a dirt bagger, cheater, creep Jr is. That won't matter to the QAnon loons, but the anti-vaxxer mommies won't appreciate it. So I wonder if anyone who'd vote for this opportunistic creep votes or would vote for Joe anyway.

R88 don’t forget Caroline Kennedy’s failed Senate run. Christopher Kennedy ran for governor of Illinois and lost. So four, I would say, is a bunch.

If RFK Jr manages to take enough votes away from Joe Biden to allow Trump to win, he can also have the legacy of being the guy who allowed Trump to have a second term.

R94, Caroline never ran for the Senate. She expressed interest in being appointed to Hillary’s seat after she was named Secretary of State, but then withdrew herself from consideration.

Chris Kennedy never made it past the primary stage, coming in an embarrassing third.

And so what if JFK was President back in the 1960s?

The Kennedy name is still held in esteem by some, though they are dwindling.

Hell, some even still hold the name Roosevelt in esteem and he was twenty years before JFK.

R90, “but nobody votes based on the possible successor.”

They do and will when the guy at the top of the ticket is 80 years old and obviously in a state of decline.

R96, both of those count as political losses. I don’t get it, they both bombed attempting to gain public office, what is your point?

No they don’t r97. Not with Dump in the running.

R98 appears to enjoy spreading misinformation.

R99 seems to have trouble understanding what a fact is.

I was almost a Kennedy... me and Ethel still talk!

“Fox News host Jesse Watters argued that Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s third party presidential campaign will cost President Joe Biden re-election.”

^ Jesse Watters was one of the geniuses predicting a Red Tsunami in 2022 that never materialized.

I wouldn’t be surprise if he becomes our next president. Y’all have to remember the president is chosen by the secret reptilian entity that infiltrated our species when the founders where drafting the Constitution. I know I’ll be FF’d but it’s true.

R104 = Idiot. Btw that was an idiot friend of mine.

On what fucking planet is this crackhead going to get a debate with President Biden?

Not going to happen, hun.

His own family won’t even vote for him.

R47 wrote "It’s the Democrats own fault for not going through a regular primary campaign process and defeating and disposing of him there."

This is Kennedy's line. It's bullshit. Biden was supposed to debate a guy at 10% in the polls based on name ID that most Democrats couldn't pick out of a lineup? Who had never been elected to anything and was running on the legacy of a father who has been dead for 55 YEARS now? What is a "Regular primary campaign" ? That was up to Kennedy and the right wing dollars running his campaign to hurt Biden.

And he probably could have run as an Independent if he lost to Biden. Some states have sore loser laws to prevent that but not sure which or even if that applies for President.

R47 is an idiot and probably a foreigner who doesn’t know politics. The incumbent president never debated in the primaries. He’s the nominee, period.

R95, Just stop. NOBODY who was a fan of either his father or his Uncle Jack is anything other than a Biden supporter now.

R110, If that were true, Biden’s poll numbers would be much higher.

Biden friendly newspapers and Biden friendly columnists are not in favor of his running for a second term.

[quote] Biden was supposed to debate a guy at 10% in the polls

Did you borrow that from Trump’s reasoning on why he shouldn’t have to participate in this year’s GOP debates? Trump and Biden are the same in thinking they should be anointed and not have to win the nomination in the regular process.

R110, They could be fans of his Uncle Ted, as well, who was in office until he died in 2009.

I sincerely hope R104 was Dee Plorable and she just forgot to sign her post.

If not, holy shit you are a fucking lunatic. I hope I don't know you in real life!

Time will tell, r111. Besides, you make no connection to RFK, Jr.

R113, I'm quite familiar with the entire Joseph P. Kennedy Family history, political and personal.

You will recall that Teddy, the "Lion of the Senate," was thoroughly vanquished in his challenge to President Carter.

RFK, Jr., should he run as a Democrat, will meet the same fate.

Should he run as an Independent, you will see him hammered by TWO political parties and their standard-bearers.

There is much that will transpire before November 5, 2024, with the judicial system, as well. And I don't mean with Hunter or his father.

R111 = A lying sack of shit.

With Biden we have the lowest unemployment in 50 fucking years. Jobs are up, manufacturing is up, gas prices are down, consumer confidence is up, wages are up, drug prices are being lowered, infrastructure is actually being repaired our roads and bridges are safer, our Allies respect us again and are working with us in the world, dictators no longer have a supporter in the White House.

Most importantly, President Biden is not a treasonous dog the way Donald Dump is. He has 50 years of service and he's doing a fantastic job as POTUS. We're lucky to have him and lucky he's willing to continue to serve the American people. We need him now just as much as we needed him three years ago. A strong Centrist with a great record who can beat Dump.

We're not walking away from President Biden. We're supporting him and RFK Jr can fuck right off, the looney-toon. Anti-vaxx? Challenging a good Democratic POTUS? Seriously, fuck off.

R117 is either grossly uninformed or just plain ignorant. To not be aware of Biden’s poor showing in poll after poll is baffling. And to not have read the various Op Ed pieces advising Biden not to run in 2024 is inexcusable.

It’s a year before the election and the media has to make this a horse race. Hence Biden’s “poor” showings in polls, various people telling him not to run, and the pumping up of people that have no shot at winning.

Last gasp of that dynasty is a conspiracy theorist ultra-thirsty for attention. So ultra-thirsty he doesn’t care at all that it might result in de facto dictatorship in America.

You're a very silly right wing troll, R118. Don't you have Proud Boys BBQ or a cross burning to go to somewhere?

Go away, you great big fat lying sack of propaganda shit.

LOWEST UNEMPLOYMENT IN 50 YEARS. Duh.

[quote]I think he's more likely to take votes away from Trump. Anti vax. Conspiracies up the wazoo.

Most of the anti vax conspiracy nuts I know are on the left. Trying to have a rational discussion with them is infuriating.

Rightwing people will absolutely not vote for RFK Jr.

R121, he’s not criticizing Biden’s policies. He’s saying Biden is unpopular. Which he is.

I actually am not super worried about that. Obama was very unpopular in 2012, but he was the incumbent and had a strong political organization.

That said, we still have stuff to worry about. 2024 isn’t 2012. Trumps supporters are fanatics. And I think RFK Jr will definitely help Trump.

If Trump somehow doesn’t get the nom, I suspect a good number of his supporters would vote for Junior over the Republican.

R122, that may be your perspective, but I absolutely do not believe the majority are on the left. While there are some left loons, the vast majority of anti-vaxxers are right wing and Dump supporters.

R118 is the same concern troll who shows up in every political thread posting dozens of replies about "poll after poll" and "the newspaper editorials" all spelling doom for Biden. They've posted 2 dozen times in this thread alone.

There aren't enough F/Fs in a day, r126.

[quote]Most of the anti vax conspiracy nuts I know are on the left.

You're either full of shit or you have really weird friends. All of the anti-vaxxers in the public sphere are right wing nut jobs, except for RFK Jr. who sounds exactly like a right wing nut job these days. All of the ones I've encountered in real life are all conservatives. My leftist friends are all quite pro vaccine and pro-science and pro-public health. None of them are "conspiracy nuts" of any type.

Why DO you know so many "anti vax conspiracy nuts?" And both leftists and other kinds, apparently!

Amazing.

You know, eating organic foods and being into "crystals" don't make one a "leftist." Neither does yoga, or smoking pot. Holding a particular set of values does. Just a heads up for you.

No Democrat will vote for someone who is BFFs with Steve Bannon and Roger Stone. Which RFK, Jr. is. There are many pictures to prove their connection.

Keep wishing and hoping though, Puke.

"Most of the anti vax conspiracy nuts I know are on the left" = "I know a libertarian who goes to Burning Man every year."

Pre-Covid, the highest incidence of anti-vaxxers was found in Cambridge & Berkeley. That’s no longer the case.

Link, R131?

An interesting take from the bygone days:

"What I found is that the more political someone is, the more likely he or she is to believe that vaccines are unsafe. Those who are “very conservative” are one-and-a-half times more likely to believe this than moderates.

Yet, the same is true for those on the left: compared to moderates, those who are very liberal are also one-and-a-half times more likely to believe vaccines are unsafe. It seems that it does not matter what your politics are, the more partisan, the more likely you believe vaccines are harmful."

From 2014:

"The two most pro-vaccine states are solid red, and 5 of the 8 most pro-vaccine states overwhelmingly voted for Romney.

There are a few other points worth making. First, the anti-vaccine movement has a strong presence in the West. The Western U.S., particularly states like Alaska, Idaho, and Washington, have a strong libertarian streak. This libertarianism surely plays a significant role in anti-vaccine ideology. Second, as a whole, the conservative and religious Deep South is the most pro-vaccine part of the country.

The bottom line is that the CDC data makes it very difficult to argue that conservatives and liberals share equal blame in the anti-vaccine war. Anti-vaxxers are clearly more associated with the political Left."

I think post-Covid is very different. The post at r134 is from nearly 10 years ago. Post-Covid, it’s apparent that anti-vaxxers are far right.

Yes, R135, that was my point.

R123, In 2012, Barack Obama was 51 years old and in excellent health.

Ten years ago anti-vaxx loons may have helped Fuckface von Clownstick. Then it was extremely stupid crunchy granola mommies and their crunchy dumb husbands. Now the flaky fringe left bunch have been subsumed by the much larger and more amplified extremist right wing lunatic freaks who aren't fringe in Republicanworld.

Yes, it's today's Republican Party - come for the insanity, stay for the smallpox!