Breaking: Judge Rules Trump is a Fraud

What’s the punishment?

But he's a smart businessman!

In other news, water is wet.

I ❤️ the Dee Plorable troll (s)

I’m loving every minute of trump’s demise. Team Leticia.

Ha! I said so from the start. I just won a bet!

I don’t care if Jesus Christ came down from the Heaven above to tell me Trump is a bad person. I never trust a fkin Jew.

Adding fictitious 10 stories to Trump Tower so you can inflate it's value might have been a red flag. Not exactly a clerical error you can miss.

But Dee Plorable, Trumps Account is a Jew.

Bye Felicia! Hi Leticia! Have a good day tomorrow, Letty, we're with you.

Every time that Fuckface von Clownstick loses bigly, American citizens win even biglier!

This is a huge loss for Dump, the judge just cancelled all of his business licenses out of New York. He's already moved several of them out of state but New York wants him to get everything the fuck out. They'll assess his fines later at his trial.

God, I love being able to type that. AT HIS MOTHERFUCKING TRIAL, BITCHES. It's rolling down on him like a freight train.

NOW a WARNING?!?!?!?

R1, the trial begins this Monday. Penalties and judgments to follow. D.A. Letita James is looking for 250 million. Trump is royally fucked on this one. The judge just said there’s enough evidence presented in the case to prove trump is guilty!

250 million is nothing to Trump! He's a billionaire, due to his savvy business skills!

Jr is going to have to get a job,

Here's the NYT article, no paywall. Archived.

Remember when Forbes was going to print that he lied about his net worth and he threatened to out Malcolm Forbes in retaliation?

[quote] In his order, Justice Engoron wrote scathingly about Mr. Trump’s defenses, saying that the former president and the other defendants, including his two adult sons and his company, ignored reality when it suited their business needs.

Eric & Donald Jr. are co-defendants?

[quote] The judge also levied sanctions on Mr. Trump’s lawyers for making arguments that he previously rejected. He ordered each to pay $7,500, noting that he had previously warned them that the arguments in question bordered on being frivolous.

Orange Turd's attorneys got sanctioned $7,500 each for raising frivolous arguments.

R16, I always thought the reason Turd never wanted to turn over his tax returns was because he lied about his income and assets (inflated them).

Will Barron have to get a newspaper route? Maybe Melania will help him put together the Sunday paper!

The trial will be limited; the judge found on summary judgment that Trump committed fraud. He doesn’t have a lot of room to maneuver. The business licenses of Trump and some of his businesses have been cancelled; it looks like at least some of his NY properties will have to go into receivership.

A few years ago, there was a very funny Melania troll(s)

Miss their posts

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If he Trump goes to prison, it's Barron I'll feel sorry for. How will he cope with the absence of such a devoted, hands-on, highly-engaged father?

The Slovenian Whore will need to return to hooking to pay the bills. Is there a market for squinty eyed over the hill whores?

It was a partial summary judgment; as to certain fraud charges the judge ruled that there are no triable issues of material fact—in other words, assuming all submissions to the court were viewed in a light most favorable to Trump the only possible conclusion is that Trump is liable. Other charges will go to trial, and that judgment is TBD.

So he’s been convicted of sexual abuse and fraud. Good.

No—found liable, but not convicted. Two different standards of proof.

R20, Vairst Leddy is one the harder DL stock characters to get right. It just doesn't work unless there's a proper mixture of flippancy, bitterness, and vulgarity.

Liable is still bad.

This ruling is bad for Joe Biden's poll numbers. He should consider not running. Also, he's old.

This news is so delicious it must be fattening!

Vairst Lady will be a broke bitch now!!!

It is—it’s just not a conviction.

I like gold, I'll miss gold :(

R29 do better ;)

Trump won't be going to jail. He is in a cognitive decline and that will get him off or he is going to run.

Sleepy Pedo Joe and the Deep State are at it again. They ain't gonna get my President, we will defend him like true patriots!

Appeal, delay, bitch about it, delay some more, fire a lawyer, play the victim, fire another lawyer then delay again. The motherfucker will never face a consequence for his bullshit and he knows it. By the time his flesh starts melting six feet under, none of us will care.

R37, oh, we’ll care. We will all be better off when he is dead.

I've been waiting to exhale...

"The Slovenian Whore will need to return to hooking to pay the bills. Is there a market for squinty eyed over the hill whores?"

I beg your pardon. Melania Trump is an esteemed graduate of a major European university. In the unlikely event Ms. Trump needs to return to return to work, it will be with a prestigious architectural firm in line with her past training and vast experience in that particular field.

I hope this just piles on to his stress.

Yes, is that the same team Trump PR that took down the claim from Milania's web page that she graduated from an Architectural school? One year of college does not an Architect make.

R40 Oh no my friend. Melania graduated from the same institutions listed on Michelle Obama’s Wikipedia page. Line by line, word for word.

This guy belongs in the looney bin.

More headlines about Trump, more hopes he's going to jail, yadda yadda yadda

He's not going to jail. Ever.

This is a civil trial, so jail is not involved.

Ivana was an Olympic champion skier.

Marla Maples was a showgirl.

Poor Melanoma and Barron. They are the true victims. I can't wait to see how Law & Order dramatizes what happens to them when DJT is dragged to Rikers Island.

"The documents here clearly contain fraudulent valuations that defendants used in business," the judge wrote of the AG's case.

"Defendants' respond that: the documents do not say what they say; that there is no such thing as 'objective' value, and that, essentially, the Court should not believe its own eyes," he wrote.

At that point in the decision, the judge inserted a footnote, citing no less a legal source than the Marx Brothers.

"As Chico Marx, playing Chicolini, says to Margaret Dumont, playing Mrs. Gloria Teasdale, in 'Duck Soup," the footnote read, "'Well, who ya gonna believe, me or your own eyes?'"

He's more liable to have a stroke over this than any of the other charges he's facing. This is about money.

How much do you all think Trump is actually worth? He lives pretty simple for a “billionaire”. He’s in Florida or NJ.

Not exactly a jet-setter

Is his golden toilet fake?

What does "John Barron" have to say about this?

What happens to Trump Tower? He still owns it, right? Does this mean he can't rent it out to people or do anything with it?

Trump hates to get up early or travel. He just wants his junk food, daily 'happy ending' massage by an Asian girl and multiple TVs set to news channels talking about him.

Trump Tower should become a homeless shelter

[quote] Engoron also found that Trump inflated the value of his Mar-a-Lago club by at least 2,300%, claiming the property assessed by the county between $18 million and $27.6 million was actually worth between $426,529,614 and $612,110,496.

Looks like Mar-a-Lago is worth between $18 and 27.6 million.

The fat fuck's business licenses in New York have now been canceled. He's out of business essentially.

Eric “Qusay” Trump would like a word with the manager.

Crain’s reported for years that the Trumps took advantage of the STAR exemption tax break, which requires a yearly income of less than $500,000.

Dear Eric and Don Jr.

Wawa is currently hiring for all positions. I believe applications can be submitted on line.

Boo-hoo Eric. You broke the law and can’t practice business anymore in NY. Buh-bye Bitch!!!

I don't know her.

I don't know them

I don't even like those people.

R51 I see what you did there😏

Can we hope for a Trump family murder/suicide outcome?

Pretty please?

Let's hope he really did buy that pistol.

Sorry, but this is not news to New Yorkers. We all knew Trump was a fraud since the 1980s.

Eric and Don Jr send their best regards.

I'm an Atlantan and I knew Trump was a con man decades ago. Hell, Helen Keller could see what Trump was long ago.

My dream is that I will wake one morning to the news that the Trumps have fled the country.

And to think I just watched "The Addams Family" episode where Morticia thought they were penniless!

This has to be the biggest toilet flushing sound in history!

Waiting for two of Trump’s usual remarks, “Everyone does it,” and “I’m being persecuted by the Deep State.”

In the days after Trump won the election in 2016 you can see in the photos and videos they both looked terrified. Trump realized that he was the dog that chased the bus and caught it unintentionally. He never wanted to win, he just wanted to ride the campaign trail as far as he could , claim the election was stolen when he lost, and use that aggrieved narrative to grift and with his brand name begin a media empire. The unique spotlight as president would bring him under the spotlight and scrutiny and as a result significant legal exposure for his decades long illegal business wrongdoings that may have gone mostly undetected otherwise. But instead of playing it straight and cool, he continued the Roy Cohn playbook of stating and and acting out his illegal intentions and acts publicly.

Melanie will return to her core skills - sustainable architecture, nuclear fusion research, turning tricks in iron curtain Soviet-era bus stations.

I agree with R77, winning the presidency was never the goal and he knew right then it had fucked his business holdings up for the rest of his life. No wonder Melania hates him; he fucked up her money stream, big time.

R46 Even for the other criminal indictments if he is convicted he will never see the inside of a jail cell.

SPY Magazine was right, of course

A vulgarian with short fingers

….

R70 ok Rose McGowan.

The Revenge Of Michael Cohen.

I love NY! Get it all, darlings. Get it ALL.

Don't get mad! Get everything!

Why would her three children agree to bury her there? They certainly have enough money for a mausoleum somewhere in NYC or have her buried with that Italian guy she was with for a long time

What a shitty fucked up family. Forget all the other stuff, burying their mother like that was a true slap in the face to her legacy. She elevated Trump, in the 80s. Gave him a family and legitimacy

Wonder what they did with her NY townhouse

The failed to sell it, that’s what they did.

Sale of the Century…🫣

To think, none of this would have happened if Ivanka had never married Jared Kushner.

Jared Kushner craved power and essentially cast himself as Trump’s new Roy Cohn, and was responsible for the pivot into the Presidential race.

In his own craving for power, he destroyed the luxury and hospitality brand name that would have been the two Trump sons’ succession birthright. Trump has always been embarrassed by his sons and probably saw Kushner as the kind of son he should have had, but fatally misjudged Kushner’s abilities and motivations.

[quote]What happens to Trump Tower?

The court can actually take it from him if they want. Would be the ultimate insult.

R92 you are wrong.

I place some of the blame on the banks for being stupid enough to just take Trump's word on anything involving a loan. Did they not check on the valuations of any of these properties before handing that mook millions of dollars? Even I would know Mar-a-Lardo was worth nowhere near what he was claiming.

Please cite the NY law, chapter and section, with relevant case law, that supports your claim R92.

R94 your supposition, if true, is irrelevant. You don’t seem to understand the applicable law.

How did rat Ivanka escape liability? She never had any authority?

I can’t believe Trump’s lawyer is using the “no one was harmed” defense! Is that his new standard for fraud? No one was harmed so it’s okay to cheat? Morons. Thank God the courts are rejecting this bullshit. Burn 🔥 in hell Trumps!!!

[quote] In his own craving for power, he destroyed the luxury and hospitality brand name that would have been the two Trump sons’ succession birthright

Oof, never thought of that, but that makes sense. Eric and Don Jr must hate Kushner

The Trumps destroyed themselves…no need for Kushner.

I don't know Jared Kushner. He was the coffee boy.

Donald who? I dont know him. - Ivanka Kurshner.

It's got more plot lines than a Shakespearean tragedy, r91. And the favored child, the king's "beautiful", "blonde" princess daughter was married off to the prince of another wealthy (and corrupt) kingdom. So what I want to know is...is Ivanka taking Donald's calls?

Y'all are horrible! My president Trump has given up everything to make America FIRST! And now he might loose his humble abode, the apple of his eye in the big apple? The communist, marxist, fascist, pedophile, weaponized, grooming, Biden 'Justice' System of America LAST is throwing everything but the kitchen sink at the finest CHRISTIAN man known to GOD! But WE THE PEOPLE will prevail, just like in 1776! You communists, marxist, fascist, pedophile, groomer, vegan, libtards are going to LOOSE EVERYTHING when we take back OUR country! You'll see! You'll ALL see!

"As Trump Org goes in to receivership, don't be surprised if we learn Trump doesn't really own most of it, and he is more like an employee. Where did the hundreds of millions of dollars come from to pay cash for golf courses? “We don't rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of Russia.” -Eric Trump, 2014"

[quote]"The decision seeks to nationalize one of the most successful corporate empires in the United States and seize control of private property,” Mr. Kise said.

Senator Iselin, is that you?

[quote] As Trump Org goes into receivership, don't be surprised if we learn Trump doesn't really own most of it

R104 My understanding is that he doesn’t own some (many?) of the properties that bear the Trump name. He was paid licensing fees to use his last name on buildings and other other property. That was in the days when having the Trump name was considered a positive (mostly in places other than NYC).

R92, there are apartments in Trump Tower that are privately owned. The only assets the courts could go after are Trump possessions within the tower, for example, his tacky gold-laden apartment.

Look, if you're taking my assets, leave me my properties and take Barron and Melania instead!!!

[quote]take Barron and Melania instead!!!

Sorry, no takers.

The LLCs at issue controlled his % ownership interests in actual buildings…alomost all pre-dating his change in business model to merely licensing his name. In receivership, he would not actually lose his full interests, he would lose direct control of any operational or management decisions.

^ buildings and/or properties. He does own, through LLCs, golf courses outright.

Strip him of everything. Not his clothes, though. Good Gawd!

Predictably, Trump responds in a calm, dignified manner.

Ahhh, another feel good story. I love feel good stories.

There have been articles on Trump’s interest in property. Like 350 California in SF which recently sold way under market (someone bought it for $60M, marked down from $300M!). I get the sense he has cash flow issues and would have to sell a large property or interest to raise $250M).

R110 I didn’t realize that LLCs protect against outright fraud liability as found by a court. That would certainly enable someone like Trump to take advantage of that protection.

[quote] libtards are going to LOOSE EVERYTHING when we take back OUR country! You'll see! You'll ALL see!—Dee Plorable

Dee, the LOOSE misspelling is the perfect touch. Well done.

How the hell this guy hasn’t put a gun to his head at this point is beyond me. Trump hasn’t had a peaceful day (and rightfully so), since he came down the escalator in 2015 to announce his bid for the presidency. Enough already! Pull the fucking trigger.

You misread —and also seem to misconstrue LLCs and the concept of receivership.

^ for R116

Who has this tub of guts threatened today? Is it back to the hardworking folks in NY? Or, is he still threatening the people at the DOJ and in Georgia? General Miley again? Maybe I missed some threats and he hurled some at the UAW, since President Biden walked the picket line with them.

If course, since he's a useless, fat traitor with nothing else to do with his life maybe he threatened all of them.

It’s feeling like an explosion of this and government shutdown and stock market. I hope on the news they coney the need for calm acceptance regarding Trump and his inevitable downfall. He’s just a man who broke SEVERAL laws.

R119 I’ll need to do some reading!

R27 Yes, the seemingly unaware vulgarity of the Vairst Letty is a key part of the bit.

Read some legal analysis online tomorrow—for a better explanation than can be safely given here. Or take a bar review class ;)

Die, die, DIE YOU Fucker!!

R90 Kind of looks like a cosplay whorehouse extraordinaire.

[quote] I get the sense he has cash flow issues

He's got to pay all his attorneys. Multiple attorneys in multiple cases.

I do think he wanted to win the POTUS election. He has such a fragile ego that I don't think he would have run, expecting to lose. He and his family were like a cluster of ticks on that presidency, milking it for all it was worth, financially.

I want to see him have to sell his plane.

It was a good day.

I’m so excited I think I may have accidentally hit ff instead of ww for the person here who wrote that this news is so delicious it must be fattening! What a great sentiment! Hope I didn’t ff you!

Vairst Leddy is going to file for divorce promptly at 9:00am tomorrow. Ten minutes after that she’ll be back on the Ho stroll.

I want dump to pull the trigger too, but I think what he’s doing is way more dangerous. He’s going to burn it all down and destroy it all as he implodes. They need to put him under house arrest with no devices or he’ll kill us all.

Rename Trump Tower The Biden Building.

[quote] It was a partial summary judgment; as to certain fraud charges the judge ruled that there are no triable issues of material fact—in other words, assuming all submissions to the court were viewed in a light most favorable to Trump the only possible conclusion is that Trump is liable. Other charges will go to trial, and that judgment is TBD.

Did the DA ask for a jury trial?! It is rather extraordinary for a Judge in a civil suit to determine that fraud is so obvious that it need not be decided by a jury. Orange Hitler really sh*t the bed.

Any normal person would stroke out or die from the stress. Unfortunately, Dump is not normal.

[quote] He has such a fragile ego that I don't think he would have run, expecting to lose.

R128 His niece Mary predicted soon after he left office that he wouldn’t run for 2024 for that reason. Even his niece, who knows him and the family so well, can’t predict what he will do.

Fake it till you make it!

[quote] Any normal person would stroke out or die from the stress. Unfortunately, Dump is not normal.

R135 Is the Devil supposed to be immortal? Maybe we're reaching End Times, and the Mark of the Beast is bronzing makeup.

I keep hoping he'll get so stressed out that he implodes. I hope he has bad hemorrhoids, diarrhea, halitosis, gout, etc. He's a sociopath, I guess. They don't get stressed about stuff like normal people do.

Drain the swamp!

Trump is…

So this is why they all moved to Florida..

R30, I love you 💕. You gave me the best laugh to end the day.

R134 what DA? This action was brought by the AG. Jury trial? Clearly, this is a bench trial.

R139 oh, he does.

If this ego maniac had just stayed in his office in that ugly black tower he could have lived the rest of his life peacefully. He deserves every misery.

R144, you’re right, this is a civil trial brought by the Attorney General, not the District Attorney. But I thought it was a jury trial, not a bench trial, and the judge made the summary judgment in advance. But I’m certainly not sure at all, does anyone know?

R147, this is a bench trial, no jury.

Thanks, r148. I wonder what the reasoning is? Doesn’t the defendant dictate that? You’d think Dump would prefer a jury trial, it gives him a better chance to find jurors who support him. Does anyone know what dictates whether a jury is used? And I wonder if the cost of a jury trial is much more expensive, so Dump might be cutting costs to his lawyers.

I think it will be a jury trial. Judges make decisions on pretrial motions, e.g., motions for summary judgment, which is what happened here. Defense moved for SJ.

R150 several people have posted it is a bench trial —can’t you read?

R149 I expect that Trump did not demand a jury trial because (1) an assumption he would lose in front of a NY jury and (2) they actual thought they could get the judge removed, the charges dismissed outright, or win on their own summary judgment motion…and/or quickly appeal as needed.

You know whut? there's rats in them buildings. This is New York City! There's rats everywhere. The City of New York has n't done nothin to get rid of them and they're gonna take them buildings now and try to sell em right out from under President Trump, and good because them buildings has all been contaminated by the City of NEW York. It breaks my heart to see how they treat Trump. He hasn't even been able to live in them buildings because of the rats, and the plumbing being filth, and you can blame the City of NEw York and those Cuomo brothers for fucking that whole state up and the women who hate him. We're witnessing the most tragic event in our lives. There's some people in New York who don't mind rats. Them are the same people going after Trump. I hope them rats crap in every thing they eat and I hope they get the plague. Rats bring plague you know that, right? Rotten fuckers.

From MSNBC:

[quote]A non-jury trial is slated to begin Oct. 2 to decide the six other claims against Trump in New York Attorney General Letitia James' civil fraud case against the former president.

No jury.

As soon as Putin decides Trump is no longer of any use to him he'll turn on him, hard. In fact I predict Russia will do everything in their power to make sure Trump is neutralized. And I believe that day is rapidly approaching.

someone exlpained that Trump is able to compartmentalize everything into little sections in his brain. This way he can tell himself that he will deal with one thing tomorrow and concentrate on something else today. This way he is never overwhelmed.

I will say this again but Trump is becoming incognitive so he may not be able to stand trial but before that if it does get to a point where he thinks he can't deal with it he will be taking off for Saudi Arabia and never coming back. Watch for some golf tournament over there that he wants to attend. He will cry that America is unfair to him so he won't come back.

[quote]he can tell himself that he will deal with one thing tomorrow and concentrate on something else today. This way he is never overwhelmed.

Yeah, that Trump is a regular Scarlett O'Hara.

The loan on his 40 Wall Street Building was just downgraded from BBB- to BB. (now officially junk!) Occupancy continues to decline even though the rent per square foot is almost a third less than the Financial District average.

If I recall correctly, trump’s lawyers missed the deadline to request a jury trial. How’d you like to have his lawyers defending you?

I’m not positively sure about it, But my recollection is that I heard it from Ben Meiselas.

His lawyers missed the deadline?

You mean the same lawyers who have time to go on every news program there is to whine and boast? Those lawyers?

He continues to choose the best and brightest.

R155 so they can say he is incompetent to stand trial, and yet competent to run for PResident? How will his MAGAts reconcile the two.

How do you think Donald feels today? Kind of down in the dumps and lethargic? It’s gotta 🔥 burn.

They're dumb as fuck, R160. Theyll make up some absurdity, throw in a few TikToks blaming the jab or Fauci, four airbrushed memes, a conspiracy theory about Hunter, and call everyone who doesn't agree "sheep".

R154 Putin genuinely likes Trump on a personal level. But I think Trump's Russian support will dry up because the Russians are going to back someone else or several someones until the dust settles. Those fuckers own the Republican Party.

Laughably, it will be a bench trial rather than a jury trial because his idiot lawyer (that heinous Habba broad) neglected to check the box for "JURY TRIAL" on the form. And apparently they can't go backsies once that form is submitted. Dumb bitch.

[quote] so they can say he is incompetent to stand trial, and yet competent to run for PResident? How will his MAGAts reconcile the two.

Logic doesn't apply to MAGAts. Drug addled, mentally ill people with low IQs. And then there are the GQPers who don't care about any of it, they just want their tax cuts, deregulation, and corrupt SCOTUS justices.

Yes, I can see Trump and his sons fleeing to Saudi Arabia. They'd never go to Russia. But they could probably go to SA and live like kings, even if he loses all his money. Those mega rich ragheads over there would give him all the money he needs.

[quote] Putin genuinely likes Trump on a personal level

Not being snarky, but why do you think that? All pics of them together, Trump looks like a whipped dog. Putin is an OG Dictator and probably thinks Trump is (or was) a useful idiot.

[quote]In other news, water is wet.

In Trump world, the wetness of the water is major news. For instance, Hurricane Florence "was one of the wettest we've ever seen from the standpoint of water".

I'm not going to post it here because there's too much of it, but Trump has been melting down on Truth Social all day today, in addition to a separate tractate he put out as a press release. This one obviously got to him, he keeps repeating over and over again that he's worth billions more than his financial statements and that Mar-a-Lago is worth a hundred times more than the judge's $18 million evaluation.

It's also amusing how he keeps saying he had an ironclad disclaimer clause (i.e. don't believe my financial statements, "do your own research" – the QAnon folk will be happy with that shoutout, I'm sure) but then immediately says that's immaterial anyway because the banks were always happy and all the loans were paid on time. In other words, yeah I did fraud, but the banks didn't get hurt.

R169, isn’t that $18 million evaluation the value that Palm Beach County put on Mar-a-Lago? Thus lessening the tax burden? Isn’t that the whole point of the trial? That he told the banks one thing and everyone else something else?

No wonder the judge issued a summary judgment. He’s simply going by the actual paperwork submitted by the Dump org.

[quote]He’s simply going by the actual paperwork submitted by the Dump org.

Yeah, that's Trump's point – "don't look at my financial statements, just look at the disclaimer clause and use your own eyes to reach your own conclusions." Which is an INSANE argument.

I've come to terms with the fact that Trump will likely never end up in jail and instead will be offered house arrest in one of his properties. I just want him to be precipitously relegated to the past, to the wrong side of history, become destitute, exposed as a fraud, as a cheat, a rapist, a liar, and the biggest loser of all losers. I also want the name Trump to become indelebly associated with an era of infamy for the country, like the name Hitler epitomizes such an era for Germany. Oh, and yes, R133, let's start renaming things so that the Trump Tower on fifth Avenue becomes the Biden Tower on Obama Avenue.

Eric Trump said mar a lago is worth a billion, yes, a billion dollars.

Hmmm... is there a new major market that's opened up for bed bugs r173?

LOL, and we really needed a judge to tell us that??

Maybe it's worth a billion dollars in monopoly money

Trump should be in a jail. Confining him to Maralago where he can have fancy dinners, do press conferences, and pretend to be President is not a punishment.

R169, we all know he is not worth billions. Why would he be using other people’s money to hire shitty lawyers and getting investors to buy into his shitty properties? He’s a fucking liar, just like everyone in New York and now the world knows.

He really sees that gaudy shitty resort as the southern White House, so it's like a stake to his heart when people badmouth it, or in this case value it for what it's actually worth. That and the small hands jab is probably what gets to him the most.

r173 Gotta laugh at him attempting to run the grift even beyond this lawsuit. He knows his father has at most a decade or two left in him and now that his inheritance is disappearing before his eyes, he's freaking out.

I"m fine with house arrest as long as he doesn't get any privileges not available to a regular inmate, such as no unsupervised access to phones, email, or social media.

No golf, no sex, no TV.

What I want is for him to be convicted on criminal charges so he will have to be incarcerated. A Criminal. A Convicted Criminal. Now if that means he is under house arrest for the next 10-15 years (Life) so what. A structured house arrest with strict limits on visitation, and no internet allowed will be fine. I want that fucker punished and removed from public life.

It's inconceivable that he gets more than five years of house arrest in total. He has no priors, plus all the federal stuff will get erased with a pardon by the next GOP president, very likely as the first order of business in January 2029.

[quote]It's inconceivable that he gets more than five years of house arrest in total. He has no priors, plus all the federal stuff will get erased with a pardon by the next GOP president, very likely as the first order of business in January 2029.

Smell Cassandra @ r183.

I just hope he doesn't run for POTUS, again. I'd be happy with that. He lost, fair and square, last time. Then, all this mess about supposedly miscounted votes, Dominion machines, Jan. 6 insurrection. I really thought he was going to squat in the White House like Ferdinand Marcos. It was a horrible, unsettling time.

If he gets house arrest I have often wondered will they confine him to an actual residence? Because Mar=a=Lago is not technically a residence it's a private social club.

I’d like this entire family to commit murder suicide but I’d settle for just him doing it

Trump’s deposition for this trial is posted online. Reading it will drive you insane; it’s all his usual bs blathering and you can hear his voice in your head. And many people have offered to buy Mar a Lago. Who? Well, I don’t want to embarrass them by saying their names but many people. And many people have said he has the best written “do your own research” clause. He thinks it’s foolproof.

The best part I read (could only make it 25% of the way through because it was so maddening and it’s really long)was about when Trump became president and said he would turn his businesses over to his sons. A special lawyer was hired to head the Trust or whatever it was. A very well respected lawyer, the best one in the US, came highly recommended. What was him name? I dunno.

IIRC Ivanka was named in this case as well because it includes his business practices before he became president, starting in 2011 I think.

So....why have they gone easy on Ivanka?

R189, the claims against her were barred by the statute of limitations.

Yep, daddy's little girl squeaks out of it again.

Of course if it was the other little girl Tiffany, he'd feed her to the pigs.

Seems like Ivanka is just a bit smarter than the 2 brothers. She also has a source of income aside from Orange Turd - i.e., Kushner. I don't like her, but she doesn't post coke-fueled rants like Don Jr.

Tiffany? I don't have a daughter by that name, do I?

That's okay. Everyone knows her dad knows what her holes feel like from the inside. That's punishment enough for Vanky.

For now.

How sad that this isn't a parody, but something the leading candidate for president wrote today. What the hell does that babies part even mean?!

^ Dump should be in a psych ward.

He’s flailing. I think he will keep running every 4 years until he dies. His ego will never let him give up.

r197 I think so, too. If nothing else, campaign donations will now become pretty much his sole source of income. He's still an absolute beast when it comes to campaign financing and there's a lot more he can squeeze out of his cultists.

Hey, maybe he can do some more crappy NFTs!

I love that three women of color are taking down Trump Letitia James, Fani Willis & Tanya S. Chutkan. Trump hate people of color. and looks down on women.

R183 = The delusional Trump himself, trying to look at the glass half full.

I vish somevone woo push him down stairs like vairst wife

Can the judge's ruling be considered a redundancy?

Another bit of information that pissed me off today: Fucking Deutsche Bank the most corrupt lack POS bank in the world, had Trump and Jared flagged for money laundering in...wait for it...2016. I've been steamed about this whole fraud thing because the state of New York, the city of New York, the fucking federal government, IRS and DoJ KNEW that Trump has been committing fraud for YEARS. Long before he ran for POTUS, back when the media was creating this false public image of the successful businessman/ celebrity. And that brings me to the media. THEY KNEW. They knew that blowhard was a fraud. And he got away with it. I saw on Twitter when this announcement broke about the judge finding him guilty of fraud, someone posted: "Thank you Michael Cohen..." I don't know if Cohen had anything to do with this, and maybe he did. But up until a few years ago he was complicit. Yes he went to prison. Lost his law license. But shit. Trump and his kids and Jared, than POS little fucker have been skating past everything. Personally I put a large portion of the blame on the media who should have been whistleblowing, not creating this monster.

Perhaps Trump will take a ride on the Russian elevator, R154.

[quote]Perhaps Trump will take a ride on the Russian elevator

I hope he gets a window seat!

R206, And a nice cup of tea

So, he’s saying his properties are worth more… because he wants to pay higher taxes on them?

Trump uses Pride Parade footage to bash Tish James

Yes, Rose. And then he told the banks they were worth less…because he wanted smaller loans.

No R208 as he told you and the judge his properties are always worth less on days when tax filings are due.

Silly silly

[quote]So, he’s saying his properties are worth more… because he wants to pay higher taxes on them?

When Trump wanted to lower his taxes, he’d claim a low valuation for a property. When he wanted to get cheap loans, he would inflate the valuation. This allowed him to inflate his claimed net worth each year, which let him obtain loans on better terms by personally guaranteeing them.

Yeesh, people. I was being facetious. As in he doesn’t know when to shut his trap.

Move over, Ivana.

To DL Legal Eagles….can you please breakdown LLC’s with regard to fraud protection, and then also his stupid fucking disclaimer?

Last night my husband and I walked our Westie together, discussing this case. My husband pondered out loud, “I just don’t understand how he got away with this much fraud for that long. How is that even possible?” I said, “because he told you already — the banks and insurance companies made real fucking coin.” Wake up, America. That is the root problem of everything in our country, it’s greed. As long as the rich keep making fistfuls of cash, with “victimless” white-collared crimes, we will continue to look the other way. We are a country who makes the wealthy into celebrities. We literally *worship* the rich. So as long as long no one “gets hurt”, there are zero consequences.

And add to that, in the first couple of decades, he was protected by the mob. Then, as our country neutered organized crime, who filled the void of the mob? Fucking corporations. So as Trump’s protection from the mob slowly deflated, his new protectors were the corporate mobsters who run our global economy. Until we deal with these hard truths, new Trump-figures will continue to sprout up. It’s Wack-a-mole. Destroy Trump? There are 200 new Trump’s to take his place. He is the symptom, he’s not the disease. Our country *cannot* fix itself until we come to terms with corporate greed.

Got it R213, but it’s important to understand why a trial wasn’t necessary to determine guilt in many of the charges.

Consistently overvalue = need a trial to determine intent

Consistently undervalue = need a trial to determine intent

Mix it up in a way that always benefits you = summary judgment.

He can shut his trap when he’s pulling a con. The garrulous braggadocio is part cover.

[quote]That is the root problem of everything in our country, it’s greed. As long as the rich keep making fistfuls of cash, with “victimless” white-collared crimes, we will continue to look the other way.

'Tis true. The Trump organization is hardly the only real estate developer to engage in such fraud. And banks and taxing entities all know it, but they look the other way.

And Trump was fired from most of his former banks.

R215 Greed is good.

*

Rename the joint: TISH TOWER!

Team Tish James.

[quote] He knows his father has at most a decade or two left in him

Are you on crack? Do you actually think that drug addled, dementia suffering old fool has 10-20 years of life left in him? If he lasts 2 more years I'll be shocked.

^ President Trump will live to be at least 200 years old.

Yes, his little frauds are annoying, but it's his pathological lust for political power and his bull-in-the-china-shop effect on everything he touches, from inspiring white-power militias to explicitly ignoring constitutional guardrails and looking to be an American Hitler that distresses me. I'm happy for him to lose oin civil court, but I want him jailed for seditition, and preferably hanged.

I’m sure he has syphilis

[quote]I saw on Twitter when this announcement broke about the judge finding him guilty of fraud, someone posted: "Thank you Michael Cohen..." I don't know if Cohen had anything to do with this, and maybe he did.

Michael Cohen most certainly had something to do with it. In fact, when Letitia James first filed the civil case last year, she stated, “I will remind everyone that this investigation only started after Michael Cohen, his former lawyer, testified before Congress and shed light on this misconduct.”

It all goes back to the hush money payments he made on Trump's behalf to Stormy Daniels. Cohen was arrested, tried, convicted, and sent to prison. Trump became President. But Cohen knew where a lot of the bodies were buried (figuratively speaking) and began talking. I find his role in all of this fascinating. Going from Trump's lawyer/"fixer" to the person who is instrumental in bringing him down. There's something almost Shakespearian about it.

[quote]I will say this again but Trump is becoming incognitive so he may not be able to stand trial but before that if it does get to a point where he thinks he can't deal with it he will be taking off for Saudi Arabia and never coming back. Watch for some golf tournament over there that he wants to attend. He will cry that America is unfair to him so he won't come back.

I could be misremembering things but he can't travel internationally at present, yes? There was some issue with him not being able to fly to Scotland for one of his golf tournaments. I know I know, he gets to do shit nobody else does, yes, but court-imposed travel restrictions are pretty hard and fast.

R204, that because Deutsche Bank was COMPLICIT in the money-laundering schemes ( whereby certain *Eastern European* Oligarchs passed him money BIGLY).

Of course now the good news is, D.B. in the last couple of years, has been having their asses handed back to them in a few lawsuits brought against them in Europe- to the tune of $$$$$$.

Oh, shoot- meant to post this:

-R228

Call it the E. Jean Carroll Tower

They should call it Pig tower that way everyone will still think of Trump when they see it

Deutsche Bank flagged suspicious transactions made by Trump and Kushner

R215, as we know, banks are never really at risk for what they do. Deutsche Bank will ultimately be bailed out by the German taxpayers, because it would be an international problem if it failed. The biggest crimes have no consequences.

All banks have regulatory requirements to have processes in place that alerts them when certain red flags or patterns of financial crimes occur in a customer account. Deutsche Bank's investigators reviewed cases involving Trump's account activity and determined that they met the standards that required the filing of Suspicious Activity Reports (SARs) and drafted the reports for filing. Apparently someone in management decided to quash the filing without good reason. You one decided not to file the report of the red flags are considered to be resolved. If however the red flags are either unresolved or confirmed as fact, filing SARs is regulatory requirement as per the Bank Secrecy Act.It is obvious someone within Deutsche Bank overrode the decision to file the reports, so they are complicit with Trump. It would be interesting to learn who it was and what the repercussions were by the bank's regulators.

r227 I couldn't find anything about him being banned from traveling internationally

No, he is not banned from travelling internationally, that restriction was never sought by any prosecutorial team in any of his cases so far.

I read that appeals on this decision could take 4 years. What happens to the properties during the appeals?

And spray paint it pink r231

R234, wasn’t it Supreme Court Justice Kennedy’s son…

“Justin Kennedy worked… for Deutsche Bank from 1997 to 2009; he became its global head of real estate capital markets. During his time at Deutsche Bank he helped Donald Trump secure a $640 million loan for a Chicago real estate project”

and then Ivanka sweet talked him—she was oh, so interested, in jurisprudence—into resigning so her father could appoint Gorsuch whose mother had tried to gut the EPA when she was head of it in the Reagan years and was cited for contempt of Congress and eventually forced to resign. It’s a sewer.

[quote]Seems like Ivanka is just a bit smarter than the 2 brothers.

Or she just has something they don't that daddy likes..........................TITS!

[quote]it's like a stake to his heart when people badmouth it, or in this case value it for what it's actually worth. That and the small hands jab is probably what gets to him the most.

One of Trump's most salient NPD trait is his grandiosity. For the people with grandiose NPD, the worst thing is to be considered a loser. That's why he's risking prison with his big lie and the crazy conspiracy theories that come with it, than admit he lost and move on freely in his life.

That's also why I want to see him end up poor and destitute, and GAGGED, unable to put a spin on his dereliction by any mean to the outside world, because even if his body will live on, for a while, he'll be utterly destroyed psychologically and you won't be able to see the green of the wallpaper in the dining room underneath the stains of hundreds of ketchup bottle impacts.

A person with grandiose NPD would rather live in prison knowing he's wealthy, famous, and adored by his base in the outside world, than in the comfort of house arrest as an ostracized penniless loser.

[quote] "Eric “Qusay” Trump"

Nice, R60.

R239 are you an idiot? Because only an idiot would think that Ivanka Trump would have spoken to Anthony Kennedy to (successfully) convince him to retire from the USSC. Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds…

R243, I’m not the OP, but Ivanka was working in the WH supporting daddy dearest. How is it out of the realm of possibility that she influenced Anthony Kennedy into resigning?

r237 That is depressing, however he will have appointed liquidators looking after his holdings, so he won't be able to scam his way out of this one.

He wasn't banned from international travel in the hopes he would flee to another country

Because white staff don’t drop the Supreme Court building and say hey toots—move along. Why would he even meet her outside of some large governmental function like an inauguration or State of the Union. Just use done common sense —not that she has any, but Kennedy certainly did.

white, White House staff*. ;)

Found it:

“Trump’s flattery,” Enrich writes, “was part of a coordinated White House charm offensive designed to persuade the ageing justice – for years, the court’s pivotal swing vote – that it was safe to retire, even with an unpredictable man in the Oval Office.”

“Dark Towers describes how Ivanka Trump befriended the judge, sitting next to him at an inaugural lunch, regaling him with accounts of her close friendship with his son, then visiting the elder Kennedy at the supreme court, bringing her five year-old daughter to hear a case about arbitration agreements.”

I was wrong, it was for Kavenaugh, not Gorsuch. The review goes into more depth about the Trump/Kennedy’s son relationship which continued after he left DB.

Ivanka and her breathless little girl voice. No fool like an old fool.

Kennedy may have taken to Ivanka, but if anyone persuaded him to resign from the bench, which is a big fucking deal, it wasn't her. It was connected to the DB mess his son was in. Ivanka was very open in courting Kennedy. This IMO was deliberate because it looked bad especially with his Son implicated in the DB scandal. That put pressure on him. He was strong armed by Trump and some invisible supporters (Russian Oligarchs?) to step down. And Kavanaugh was part of this, because he clerked for Kennedy and was a protege. The whole thing stinks of corruption, but the only role Ivanka played was to be a conspicuous friend at an inopportune time. And the old guy was too dumb to see he was being courted.

Than you R250 for a thoughtful post…

R249 see R250 showing common sense

Is it me or was the DB scandal quashed? We hardly heard a thing about it here in the U.S. Well, unless you read in depth pieces in the Economist or The Atlantic, or you read Vox or other non mainstream stuff. Our press may have reported it, but they didn't cover it. It deserved coverage, especially the Kennedy/Kavanaugh connections. And of course Trump. So much wrong doing and it was barely noticed.

At the end of the day it want that important —really a piece of the bigger pie that was DB’s broader troubles 🤷🏻‍♂️

The judge's ruling that Dump and his family are deliberate and obvious frauds is great.

When do we get one of these judges to really tell the truth and rule that Dump and his family are total cunts?

R254, it was that important. Especially since it involved bank executives who were connected to Supreme Court justices and a President and his f amily. Our U.S. based journalists dropped the ball big time.

Anthony Kennedy was not responsible for his son’’s on the job decisions. There’s so much constant overstating of the case here. Calm down.

I recall reading about the Deutsche Bank and Justin Kennedy's alleged role in stopping the filing of the Suspicious Activity Reports, but do not recall what developed after that. At the very least the bank regulators would have been all over it. I work for bank in anti money laundering investigations and this is the a textbook case of something that would not only have resulted in executive heads rolled but would have brought significant regulatory scrutiny and penalties.

Baron will become a lowdown street hustler in Portland.

^ Like mother, like son

Heads did roll at DB

R258, Deutsche Bank has paid at least $800 million to various regulators since 2017 due to its Russia-centered money-laundering activities. (Of course, that's nothing compared to the $14 billion it had to pay to the U.S. in 2013 for mortgage fraud). It had to cough up $186 million just a few months ago due to its failure to institute anti-money laundering controls. The place is just a blur of corruption at this point.

Heads are always rolling at DB. How many times have they been found in violation of OFAC?

So many lawyers here on the DL! Did Muriel go to law school on $18 a year from millions? Is this where Ms. Star Jones does most of her legal speak now?

Muriel went to Trump University Law School

Still more:

Justin Kennedy, who ran the German bank’s commercial real estate team and was close with the president’s daughter Ivanka Trump and her husband Jared Kushner, was willing to overlook Trump’s shoddy history as a debtor, getting the future president to personally guarantee $40 million of the loan…

Kennedy’s other son, Gregory Kennedy, allegedly met with White House counselor Kellyanne Conway during a dinner just days after the president’s inauguration.

No one was happier about the outcome of the election than his father, Gregory Kennedy said, according to the book. Anthony Kennedy had been nominated by President Ronald Reagan in 1987, and Marcus wrote that Anthony Kennedy wanted to be replaced on the high court by another Republican.

“That’s good to know,” Conway replied, according to the book. “That happiness has consequences.” In a footnote, Marcus said Gregory Kennedy denied that account.

TL;DR: Anthony Kennedy had always planned to retire during the term of a Republican president. The End.

Apparently Justice Kennedy was also corrupt, not recusing himself on cases when there was obvious conflicts of interest.

Which case(s)?

Google is your friend, R269.

No —-I know how to find case law. I’m asking you for a citation…you made the statement so back it up.

I did not make the statement so I will not back it up. I told you that Google was your friend and so it is. Here at the Datalounge people are free to comment on all the posts. That's just how we do things here, dear.

Enjoy your visit to the Datalounge.

We? You mean you…. Don’t aggrandize yourself—not a good look.

What a snappy comeback! Good for you, buttercup.

Run along now, you have Googling to do.

Here’s your cheat sheet —R274

Now let’s see if you can read… but we here at Datalounge aren’t holding our breath.

You demanded it, not I, buttercup and the OP has completely ignored you.

Well, never mind, you can keep it right there for yourself and that brings our charming conversation to a close.

So that’s a no as to your ability to read. Thanks for confirming.

Yes, r277, you've got me there. I definitely cannot read. Writing was as far as I ever got in school and there was no reading at all.

Awww this warms the cockles of my shrivelled tarry heart:

Lock him up !!!!!!!!!!!!!

R195 takeaway: Trump thinks Mar a Lago is worth 1 billion 800 million. 😵‍💫🤡

If only he could STFU and stop threatening people. What are the chances? Hmmm....

I want him to keep going. At some point he's going to break through those velvet gloves he's been handed by the court an a judge with real balls is going to have to hold him in prison until the trial like almost every other American would be doing right now if they were not Trump.

Heres my theory, here me out:

Grasshopperface fucked both Kennedy pere et fils. Blackmail etc etc. = Kavanagh. Financed by the Reds, laundered through DB.

And she also gave Putin the high hard one to seal the deal.

R88 "What a shitty fucked up family."

After reading Mary Trump's first book (in sections, because the subject matter disgusted me), this is one thousand percent correct (it doesn't take a book read to figure that out, I know).

Trump's father was a sociopath, his mother was mentally ill (shocking, I know), needy, yet neglectful and selfish. She used the children to comfort her, but did not reciprocate. She also developed severely debilitating osteoporosis in her later years, anf eas even mugged and beated at age 79, sustsaining multiple broken ribs, among other things.

But all that doesn't even close to making up for birthing that narcissistic, maniacal trash.