If Trump dropped dead of stroke tomorrow, what would happen to MAGA and all the rest?

My blood pressure would go down about 10 points.

There are two people that will test (and break) my rule to remain silent when bad people die. Trump and Gingrich. No one has done more to destroy this country than either of these weak, thin skinned men.

I think he has no intention of going back to Washington. He's not stupid; he ran in 2016 because he knew he could surf on the Obama prosperity wave for 4 years. That wave is gone. And an 80-yr. old Trump cannot recreate it. It would be disastrous. He just fell on a plan to blame all his indictments on political manipulations, both to avoid jail and to protect the Trump Brand*.

It's rather cruel of him to lead all his followers on. But they have had the gentlest loss of any loser in history. He never went away. In their minds he's still President. He just needs to move back into the White House.

Trump is a cult leader and his followers worship him. There are loads of other maga politicians out there but they don’t get that level of blind devotion. His demise would hasten the breakup of the GOP into 2 or more factions.

Don't threaten me with a good time.

In all seriousness, evil doesn't die. Creamsicle Caligula will outlive us all.

Nothing! The show would be over!

I don't know, but I'm anxious to find out 🙂

I think Biden should avoid debates. Just do some rallies and tout his own accomplishments. Why get onstage and fumble, stutter and act confused? Bad optics.

Wrong thread?

As long as hundreds of MAGAs kill themselves I'm good.

Time to bring back suttee.

r8...

May the Heavens Gate cult show the MAGAdonians the way.

Dump is Mussolini to Putin’s Hitler. I wonder if history will repeat itself.

[quote]Would MAGA find another cult leader to fallow?

I don’t see them coalescing and uniting behind anyone else like they have Trump. Every other RWNJ will try to get themselves a piece of that pie, but as has been said, only Trump can be Trump.

He'll take MAGA to his grave before he'll let anyone else sit on that throne.

I would add Murdoch to that list, R2.

Like I'd give a Foook.

I'll be so hoppy!

The MAGA would blame Biden for orchestrating some Covid-pharmaceutical caused stroke or maybe blame us all for virus shedding.

They'd find their next god - that hanjob lady or big marge or Arizona weirdo or DeShitus would suddenly tell them all to come to him.

There would be an inquiry into if Biden had Trump assassinated. Detective MTG would be on the case.

"Trump WILL die tomorrow." I keep saying it, and one of these times I'll be right.

Popcorn sales would drop off a cliff . Sell your Redenbacker stock at the first murmur.

The cult would say Dump had been assassinated, go crazier than usual for a while and eventually redirect their cult to a new leader or movement. Previously many were the "Tea Party". But Dump's death would be a big hit. I can't see anyone on the horizon who has the same pull as Dump for the cultists.

There would be a VERY BRIEF period of mourning. Then they would fight for dominance. It would be chaotic and they would lose. They will lose for at least a few more elections because people can see that they are clowns.

I have heard MAGA prey for Coke JR. to run. God help us if he does. I could seem then coalescing around him for the name, and he's a more bitter f-ed up person than his father. Can you imagine the Gargoyle as First Ladyboy?

I've heard it too R26 but Dump JR doesn't have the magnetism and charisma that Dump senior has. None of the children do. Lol tough shit for them!

But just for fun let's entertain the idea - Donald Dump Jr as POTUS and Kimberly Guilfoyle as FLOTUS would be the Idiocracy film come to life.

[quote] Lol

LoL! :)

LLllLlooOO0o00lLlLlLlLlLLL.

I agree that Dump Jr does not have the same charisma, but true cult followers are that, followers. He already spends his days mimicking his father, repeating the same lies, attacking and blaming the Democrats for everything. Although I really do think he has a major coke problem and I dont think he can separate himself enough from that to actually run a campaign and not get caught.

Since most of the Republicans have been fellating Trump, they be panicked for a while trying to to find a new cock to suck.

I don't know, OP, but I'm willing to find out.

People talk about his charisma, but I can't see it. The guy is cringey as fuck. Like a drunk blowhard at the end of the bar who makes you place your wings order to go because he sucks the life out of the place like the black hole of mental illness that he is.

I think the single-brain-celled MAGAts would probably move on over to Ron DeStanksleeve. Or some other far-right loser that the Repugs have stashed away for an emergency like this. This type of ideology doesn't end with the figurehead such as Trump; it goes to the next guy with similar beliefs and false promises.

I don't get it either R33. Why do these dumb, delusional people fall for it?

[quote]it goes to the next guy with similar beliefs and false promises.

There's no one person that they're going to rally behind like they did Trump. They'll diffuse themselves among a bunch of pretenders to the crown.

Trump's "charisma" is the same as calling a crazy old man eccentric. I wish the news would grow a pair and stop using that term and call it for what it is, loud, repetitive, abrasive personality. They have on occasions talking about "the cruelty is the point" when it comes to why MAGA like what he says. Stop sugar coating it then, the abrasive personality is the attraction.

Jonestown x 74 million.

R24 is right. Please wish him a healthy boring life or they'll canonize him (or whatever is the evangelical counterpart there.)

It will split into factions with several people trying to claim the figurehead title. They will fight and war amongst themselves before going out with a whimper.

The Silent Majority. Not really Nixons just something that helped him a lot to win his elections. A push back against the progressive left,

Even moderate Dems dislike the often triggered looney progressive left. So MAGA will change it will grow it might have a leader it might not but it will be there in one form or another,

There will always be idiot, venal republicans but Dump’s ’power’ will end with his death if not well before. The age of the repuke’s base will limit future gains and most importantly the electorate is increasingly over his shit. He hasn’t produced a win at the ballot box since 2016 (if you can even declare that a win].

[quote]If Trump dropped dead of stroke tomorrow, what would happen to MAGA and all the rest?

Apparently you missed the climax of "Lord of the Rings: Return of the King."

There are 10000s out there a lot worse than trump on his worse day.

Unless you spend quality time on more right wing forums you have no idea how much the progressive left is hated. The whole well armed secret militia culture surprises me not even a little, They don’t have guns many have a basements full of guns And they hate you every bit as much as you hate them.

The question though is about a national visible trump type of leader. Maybe there will be no national MAGA leader,

But MAGA are a bunch of pussies , many of them just hot air talkers, like a lot of liberals, compared to much worse that is out there.

Things can often get a lot worse.

There is no far left in America. It's like 4 guys on Twitter. .

Things will get a lot worse for the MAGA.

The Fox-addled elders will be dead, the deadbeats on phony disability dxs will be dead, and the kids they didn't raise will see how their drug-addled reich-wing elders fucked them out of their futures. Poverty will return from whence it came - rural America - and urban areas will become more prosperous because that's where the jobs are.

For every action (political shift towards - but not yet to - the crazy right) there is an equal and opposite reaction. That day is coming.

Greg

Fortunately, Elon Musk can't run for president.

Yes?

I would jump for joy, screaming in the streets. Having said that, I think his power and dominance are overstated. I think he’s a has been. I think his media self created. I don’t think he has as much a hold on the right as people think he has. We’re talking maybe 20% which I know sounds like a lot but still I think the majority of this country can’t stand him. I think the media spends a lot of time talking about him because they’re fascinated by him and if they would stop talking about him, he would more than likely go away but they can’t and I get that. My mother who voted for him in 2016 and 2020 can’t stand him and won’t vote for him this time if he’s a nominee and I have other family members as well so feel the same way. I just don’t think he’s as popular as he used to be.

What R36 said.

The real question is what will happen to the GOP once they realise they won’t inherit Trump’s base, after debasing themselves for so many years. They’re over. ETTD.

[quote]I think his power and dominance are overstated.

Republican lawmakers who detest him still don't dare say a negative word about him.

The House is launching an impeachment investigation on his say-so.

He's leading the GOP field by a huge margin even in the face of nearly 100 indictments.

CNN and MSNBC still breathlessly report on his every utterance.

According to Michael Wolff's book, Rupert Murdoch is obsessed with Trump's mortality and has been frustrated that the obese, junk food-loving Trump isn't dead yet.

[quote]Trump’s death became a Murdoch theme: ‘We would all be better off …?’ ‘This would all be solved if …’ ‘How could he still be alive, how could he?’ ‘Have you seen him? Have you seen what he looks like? What he eats?’

R52

The GOP leaders who want and need those votes , to be elected , will follow the voters more so than the voters will follow the leaders.

The GOP will then have leaders that will need to continue to appeal to and hold these voters.

The only true way to destroy this right wing voting block is to offer a Democratic Party that those people will feel comfortable in. Sort of like 1944 1957 1966 and the Democratic Party then.

And since that will not happen I’d expect a long life for what ever right wing version or replacement of MAGA comes along.

It would fracture and devolve into spreading insane conspiracy theories about his death. Factions with differing beliefs about who killed him would form. They wouldn't vote anymore because "the system is rigged." MTG would blame it on Biden and demand an investigation.

I hope the trend of boosting conspiracy theories dies with him. Or, dies down. That has been a huge detriment to peace and stability in recent years. Conspiracy theorists are a plague.

If he were to drop dead of a stroke, there would be utter chaos.

Depending on how that chaos was addressed by rethug leaders, the US would either devolve in armed protests and violence similar to the LA riots that would either lasts weeks or days.

It would also spawn conspiracy theories that would make JFK assassination plots seem like rational and logical reality no matter how things turned out.

I’d like to think that Trump’s death would be like the end of the movie “Mean Girls”. Our politics would become peaceful and functional again, and if anyone tried to stir shut up again, they’d get hit by a bus.

They wouldn’t believe he was dead. They’d come up with some wild conspiracy theory that he faked his own death and will campaign with the ghost of Jackie O. and save America.

Cf. Elvis and JFK Jr.

My 83 year old lunatic mother is a diehard trump worshipper. If trump told her to jump in grease fire- she would do it. She would NOT perform said request for traitor tot (Don Jr) or any of the other maga hopefuls. I can' t explain it other than to say they are cult members willing to die for their cult leader. sad!

OP: You had me at...."If Trump dropped dead of a stroke tomorrow"

Vivek would scramble and go hard core to go after the MAGAt crowd.

^ I'm sure he would. I would imagine, though, that non-white and even female Trump supporters are only accepted as window dressing and I don't think any of them would ever be allowed to take the throne. It all seems very primal, so really the only person who could take his place is, theoretically, a son. Fortunately for America, neither of his adult sons is up to it.

Hitler died 80 years ago, and the neo-nazi and skinhead movements are thriving all over the world (and the magats have tail gated off of that). trump has spawned a wave of ignorance and evil that will continue long after he is dead.

As George Carlin said once, Germany lost WWII, but fascism won.

MAGA will undoubtedly find a new leader. Maybe the pillow guy. White people are losing political power rather quickly and the dog whistles of racism appeal to that segment like a German Shepard's ears when attentive. I'm thinking Rogan or Vince McMahon. That party likes rich baffons as their champions.

White people are losing political power rather quickly?

The idiocy of the progressive left.

They will resurface in some other way, but at first they will try to keep Trump's "dream" alive. You know, if you go back to post WW II America, and you look into the John Birch Society, you will find the ancestors of today's MAGAts. and of course before the John Birch Society there was the KKK which is still with us today.

His minions would flock to RFK Jr. seamlessly. I've seen flags with the two men's names on them, one on each side.

Which begs the question, whose Etsy shop needs to be high jacked for the benefit of the mental well-being of the American people?

Hunny the people who are fueling the loonies, and supplying all the propaganda are making a fortune selling stuff and endorsing off the wall concoctions to make your dick hard, lengthen your penis, and grow hair on your head. They have weight loss pills, and hormone pills (testosterone!) and t-shirts and bumper stickers and patches for your clothing, etc. Making billions. And the loonies just keep coming.

Let's start an Alex Jones Fan club. Tell them it costs $20 to join and they will get a kit of Alex Jones stuff, and they can also MEET Alex. Then give out his home address and tell everyone to meet there.

The bigger question might be why the Democratic Party can’t crush the GOP and the Trump s of the GOP during elections,

We don’t crush them we often don’t beat them. And right now in the polls the GOP has 3 different nominees inc Trump beating Biden. So you can talk about a hated unpopular trump all you want. If you can’t beat them that is the bigger issue,

I don’t think the GOP is that good all by itself so I assume they have a lot of dem progressive help.

no they just know how to manipulate divide and sow fear. They Gerrymander, they lie, and they have help from the network news shows that get money from the same industries that buy members of Congress. The polls you're referring to are garbage polls. Many of them generated by the media to measure their effectiveness of the way Biden is being covered. The Republicans offer nothing. They use fear and hysteria augmented by their evangelicals banning books organizing immigrant caravans, and preventing abortions. I no longer watch the network news "shows." I know who I'm voting for. I will never again vote for a Republican. These people tried to overthrow our government. They're hateful people.

R74

So you think Joe is really popular and it’s the media and those who do polls that have banded together to make Joe appear unpopular?

Did they have a big meeting to plan this elobrate scam on the US public? Or was it done via email?

I sure hope the professional Dems are smarter than this.

🎶 I CAME FOR YOU

They’d brandish their ARs and try to kidnap a comely lady governor, per usual

Sometimes I wish there were all linked like some mystical creatures. The higher ranked one dies, followed by all of his minions.

You sound foolish R75. It is a policy at the networks. They don't have to have secret meetings or band together It is all part of doing business for the. Ratings and Revenue. All you have to do is be discerning. For example, for several months every single news report mentioned inflation. and "biden's problem with inflation." Good economic news always had the "but, INFLATION!" It was obviously slanted. It was constant. Then, they introduced new polling after weeks of this, and OMG, Biden's numbers are down because of Inflation!" The reality is the polling was measuring the effectiveness of their coverage. The Media is the mouthpiece for Big Pharma and the fossil fuel industry. They are going to do the bidding of those who pay their salaries. CNN, ABC and NBC are not much better than Fox. And their coverage is sloppy and incomplete and lacks context.

Here's an even better article about news coverage.

R79

Now it makes so much sense. A conspiracy between Big Pharma, Big Oil, virtually all of media, to drive Joes numbers into the ground. To make the president of the US to look worse than he deserves to look. Helping his opponents in the GOP

So an attempted coup or overthrowing democracy is how you see things?

One thing that unites MAGA with many on the left as brothers in arms are their total acceptance of conspiracies, There really is little difference between them or the conspiracies they believe in,

I'm hoping for mass suicide.

And I'm not kidding. His followers offer nothing but hatred. Someone give them cyanide in Jello so the country can get back on track.

R82

His followers offer nothing but hate you claim and your answer is that they should all die. Politics in America today.

I'm well aware of what I said. Should I coddle those who'd ike to see gay people dead? Why don't you join them?

How much longer do we think Trump will actually live before stroking out? His rate of uppers usage is still pretty strong, no?

Can we hope for a Heaven’s Gate scenario and mass suicide?

What's the alternative, R83?

They want us to die. They want our government destroyed. Some want a theocracy. Some want a dictatorship.

And you would put us on their level? GTFOOH

Coddle? Hardly R84

Coddle would imply an action? You are blowing hot air. You are not doing a fucking thing. Other than just venting on a forum, .

But one side of US politics wanting the other side dead is in fact politics today in the US today.

Both sides of US politics want the other side dead, R88. But only one side seems to take it from words to deeds.

Did you meet a lot of liberals at the Capitol on January 6th? Was it liberals marching with torches in Charlottesville? Was it liberals trying to overthrow an election?

You'd put the Nazis on the same plane as the Jews, just like Trump: "Good people on both sides."

Mistress Lady Lindzebelle would be devastated.

R89

Yes the other side does take action. Now you get it.

You talk. Then you will talk some more anonymously on an Internet forum. Then you will talk some more. Followed by more talk, Then even more. A giant waste of hot air and wasted motion,

You are not a modern day freedom fighter just another big talker on the Internet who claims they want to see 74 million Americans dead because of how they voted.

Lucky for that 74 million you are 100% all talk

Look at you, R91, not knowing who's on the other side of the screen but saying they do nothing. Are we to post our resume and organizational memberships and list what groups we are active in to satisfy you? Please, seriously, go fuck yourself. The reason some of us are brutally honest here is because we can not, in our actual capacity of doing something, say those very things we think when dealing with the Moms for Liberty and MAGAT crowd or--as you have proven---their criminal nature gets overlooked so some harpy can clutch her pearls when we met it be known that some of us are a little over their "Christian" bullshit. You incompetent, loser moron.

[quote]So you think Joe is really popular and it’s the media and those who do polls that have banded together to make Joe appear unpopular?

It's not a popularity contest! Same stupid argument I hear form MAGA about Calif when they keep saying "people are leaving CA". Guess what, 1% of 40 million people is not even noticeable. Besides that, it's not a good thing to be the state with the most people, it means more expensive housing, cost of living etc.

Right now, the Democrats are the only ones that can save democracy from turning into a theocracy should Trump and his Ilk regain power. So no one cares who's the popular girl at the dance. It's who you are taking home at the end of the night, the one who delivers or the one on state taking selfies posting them on Twitter.

R92

Exactly, as you say , you will not make those comments calling for the deaths of Americans who disagree with you , in a public way. You will Instead blow hot air without your name attached on DL .

You will be “brutally honest” posting anonymously on a friendly Internet forum . :-)

Funny , weak, and remf like.

R93

It’s the independents that will or will not save democracy.

Those that say they are Democrats when surveyed 28% Those that say they are GOP 28% The rest identify as independents.

Gallup

Some Democrats worry that their party colleagues are being far too complacent about President Biden’s chances of victory if Trump is his opponent, given the multitude of challenges the incumbent is facing.

“I’ve been talking about this for weeks and months,” New York Democratic strategist Hank Sheinkopf told this column. “The only good news for Biden right now is the prospect of a government shutdown, and this impeachment talk.

“But there’s rising crime around the country, the economy is lousy regardless of what Biden says, Biden is seen as old and Kamala Harris is not really liked at all.” Sheinkopf added, “If the election was held tomorrow, Trump would win.”

R96

If Hank were to say that on a post here at DL the truly stupid would call him a trump loving conservative that hates Biden and must be homophobic as well.

Then Hank would be told we don’t want his vote anyway .

As someone who has worked on Presidential campaigns, governors campaigns, Mayoral campaigns, etc for 30 years ,I can say campaigns happen in stages. This period is the "softening up " period and the "testing " period. Right now the media is cherry picking "experts" and polls and isolating data to form a picture of Biden.

He is too old, he is not competent to run the country, he is corrupt, he is out of control with federal spending. Immigration! Crime!, Inflation! Hunter! No one is in charge! This is setting the table. This is the framework. They are also measuring which themes or issues have traction.

Obviously anything related to the economy has traction. People are always insecure about the economy. It doesn't matter how good things are. Let me repeat that: It doesn't matter how good things are. The media drumming it in daily, repeatedly, convinces you that the economy is in trouble. There are "early indicators..." etc. Job insecurity is a big deal too. Psychologically people are always worried that "something" will happen to their jobs.

Add to that stew out of control immigrants "invading" our southern borders! And Crime. There is a huge gap between the reality of crime and the fear of crime. Strategists know this. Law and order was a Republican battle cry going back to Nixon in the '68 campaign.

In the 2016 campaign, Hillary Clinton was subjected to 600 days of relentless negative campaigning. E-mails!!!! We watched it happen. They're doing the same thing to Joe. No one believes Joe Biden is corrupt. And there have been plenty of critics saying Hunter's legal case is bullshit. But that doesn't matter. It didn't matter that nothing Hillary had was classified at the time she had it on her personal server.

The point is that hype is all that matters. Find themes that resonate with the voters and pound away. Lie if you must. Manipulating voter behavior has been an effective strategy for the GOP for decades. Biden's age was always going to be an issue. It is the Republican's way of coming at Kamala sideways.

They will do to her what they did to Hillary. "No one likes her." Where have I heard that before. And BTW, just because someone is a "Democratic strategist" don't assume he is supportive. He may like Biden, but hate the idea of Kamala. And honestly, most of this is setting the table to go after her.

They'll make her irrelevant unless they can mock her. These are hateful people. They're very angry right now because of the indictments. And now some state AGs are going after the fake electors? That is an attack on the Republican party machinery in the states. They depend on those thugs. So they are angry and fearful and fighting like cornered animals. Cornered animals are dangerous.

Trump is about to be on trial for crimes against humanity. Covid deaths, caging babies and separating them from their family, selling classified - nuclear - secrets to Russia, Saudi Arabia, North Korea, China? Murder Who TF knows what else, I shudder to think what we don't know. But Jack Smith knows.

If Smith is bring that guy in, he may be casting a wider net. And Jared should be careful.

R98, that's one of the most cogent summaries of the process I've read here. Thanks.

Agree, r101, everyone should read the post at r98.

[quote]It’s the independents that will or will not save democracy.

Nope, that's just lazy logic talking. Independents cant for example elect the party nominee, they just wait until dinner is served and make uneducated last minute decision. The real WORK to get someone into the Presidency was done by the Democratic party. It is true, they may have the key votes in a tight race, but independents are a pretty flighty group. They don't want to be labeled by a party so they don't put skin in the game. Then they go on to bitch about how they don't like either candidate. They want their cake and eat it too.

I wonder what would happen in the Villages in FL. That would be interesting. By the way there is a massive number of people over 65 that smoke copious amounts of pot in the villages

The only thing I disagree with R98 is " Lie if you must." The GOP does not hold out for that as the last resort like they might have two decade ago, it's now Plan A. Why bother playing games when lying has worked so effectively? Marjory Taylor Green and her ilk not only recognize this, it's their basic strategy for success. That's why they have no fear of being called out for doing it. They dont care what people say, it still works and that's all the matters to them.

I like you r84, and would like to form a PAC with you.

R31 Less of a cock and more of a puny little cocklet, a light switch or nubbin beneath a fat pad.

Hard core MAGATs will temporarily turn to Junior and his grifting fiancé for years, ol’ Kimberly,. It won’t last long, though. Junior cannot replicate Trump. Junior does not have the level of con artist skills Trump has possessed.

Trump Jr is like a college frat boy skipping class so he can post his latest rant I twitter before his buzz wears off. That's how his videos come off to most people if they are being honest. Except for the fact that he is 45 years old.

The delusional mistress that calls herself, a “lady” will never be his bride.

R103

Gallup

28% of the US consider themselves to be GOP

28% of the country consider themselves to be Dems

44% of the country consider themselves independents. Some lean one way some lean another some don’t lean at all.,

So far no one has won an election with 28% of the popular vote.

R111, correction - 47% of 28%.

R111 has the comprehension skills of a frog. It's not about who has the most numbers, it's not a child's board game. Again, It's the parties that do the work. Who raise the money, who pick the nominee, who buy the ads, who campaign for 2 years before an election. If the Democrats or Republicans just sat out the race, you would be left with no choice except the one and only candidate on the ballot.

R113

We are talking about two different things. And you are not wrong about the work both parties do. You are talking about the Party that does the heavy lifting and fund raising and advertising and nominating.

I am talking about the American voters. Lots of whom do not identify as gop or Dem. And no matter the party if they do not win the independent vote they are in deep deep trouble.

If Biden does win, assuming it is Biden, it will be independent support that will put him over the top.

If Trump were to croak then I think some of the MAGAts would eventually flock to RFK, Jr. They are very enamored of that loon. Bannon & Stone are pushing him large, he's anti-vaxx, never met a conspiracy he didn't get on his knees for, & is A NAME.

I don't think any of Donnie's mutant kids have the juice to take over for him, even his plastic fucktoy daughter. Additionally, if Dump dropped over, he is going to leave those turd sons of his holding the bag. Endgame for those two chucklefucks: Eric will do time & Don, Jr will shoot himself out of fear of incarceration. They're DONE, even if neither have accepted it.

I think Bannon sees RFK, Jr as a Win-Win. Win, if he manages to take even 1k votes from Biden in 2024. Win, for a post-Trump landscape when RFJ, Jr goes "independent" or Republican & woos those crazy asses QAnonners & conspiracy theorists voters who are lost without someone telling them what to be terrified of & enraged over.

Interestingly enough, most people who say they are Independent voters are truly not. Surveys show that 75% of them are what they call leaners. They associate mostly with one party but just don't want the label. They love the idea of being called Independent because no one can ever blame them for a candidate they put up for election.

FYI: Right now, Trump is behind the hardliners in the Sedition Caucus who are refusing to deal with the debt ceiling. He is encouraging them to shut down the government. McCarthy could make a deal with the Dems, and call for a vote and with help from the Dems they could ignore the extremists and pass the damned budget. But the extremists told McCarthy they will remove him as Speaker if he does. So Trump is very much involved and he and his rabble in Congress are literally stopping the function of government. Which is the goal.

Of course he is, R117.

People like him, the Sedition Caucus, and dickless Qevin, who want to burn everything down need to GTFO of America. They can go to Russia and live in rubble under a dictator which is what they are "fighting" for. Just go, you pieces of garbage cunts.

Has Qevin & Frank Luntz had time to give their abode a makeover for the fall? Pots of yellow, bronze, purple, and white chrysanthemums would be a charming addition.

OP - They would latch on to the next POS that takes its place. DeSantis?

R120, if that were the case, they already would have. No one except Dump has the right composition of politics and (yes) charisma. They can try and assume the mantle but they won’t. Even RFK Jr. who has absolutely nothing going on with him except for his Q-Anon adjacent politics. just listen to his speeches.

I think a lot of them would switch to Christie.

He's a big bully and that's what they love.

Plus, he's a man - he's white - and he's fat. Just like Trump.

[quote]I think a lot of them would switch to Christie.

He’s too moderate, not nearly crazy enough for them.

R111 you're right. But you reminded me of something sort of related. Ronald Reagan won election with just 26% or 27% of the eligible vote. When I read that I was stunned. I was reading about turn out and that number was just amazing. If people had just turned out.

There is not one thing "moderate" about Christie.

The ONLY reason he's going after Trump now is because he's running for president and he thinks he can attract Democrats to make up for the Republicans he's gonna lose.

Blossom, Buttercup, and Bubbles, need to head to the House and “pow” each member of the Sedition Caucus.

I watch those girls at work on TV.

The Republican National Committee has partnered with a streaming partner that features QANON and other disinformation streaming on it's official website. They even talk about the "fraudulent 2020 election." This Republican Party is not a governing party. It does not support our Constitution or our Democracy. Anyone who is running for any office as a Republican today, is not worthy of our vote. We need to purge every single Republican holding public office at every level. I don't give a shit what they claim on a debate stage. Don't be persuaded that they are any different from Trump in their goals because they seem rational. They aren't.

Vivian Vance as Leah in the 1950 movie, The Secret Fury.

Fabulous, but she was so ahead of her time!

^pardon me, wrong thread.

It's possible either Josh Hawley or Ted Cruz could pick up the crazies.

Ted Cruz couldn't pick up anything if it was handed to him. Josh Hawley will be lucky to get reelected in Missouri.

^The former has filthy hygiene and the later is a premature ejaculator.

[quote]There is not one thing "moderate" about Christie.

He is a moderate compared to the competition.

He'd be martyred and they'd spend years waiting for his erection.

RUPERT MURDOCH wishing that Dump’s death would solve all the world’s evils is the ironiest irony that ever ironied.

I pray for that hillbilly bag of shit’s painful death every minute of every day. He and that Koch fuckbag.

Australia has a lot to answer for (in this order):

The Murdochs

Ken Ham

Mel Gibson

As much as we all want him to die quickly, slow torture is what he deserves and what he is getting now.

He's in serious decline already. The barrage of court cases against him is wearing him down. There are pictures of him showing up in court this week with his hair mussed up and no make up. For a guy so insanely vain that says something. The only lawyers he can get now are a joke in the legal profession. He can't bluster his way out. And the legal troubles are going to go on and on and on with no magical pardon in sight.

He's running for president now only because he has to. It's a primary defense argument in his court cases plus he needs to beg for money for his lawyers. The hardcore fans travel and show up to his campaign events mainly to interact with each other and feel like they belong to something. Yet his crowd sizes are declining and people leave early because even his fans are bored with his stupid, repetitive speeches. He's bored with it too. His speeches are on teleprompters but he's making a lot of bizarre mistakes, mixing up names, etc. Some may be mental decline but I suspect he's just bored with it and can't be bothered to focus any more. He knows he won't be reelected but he's forced to go through the motions.

Slow torture.

Make it happen, OP!

Before MAGA there was the Tea Party. They'll be something else.

…Heaven’s Gate

The Tea Party morphed into the MAGA cult. They just needed a racist cult leader with no morals.

The immediate threat, MAGA, would fall apart.

But let’s not forget MAGA is the symptom, not the disease. The disease, rightwing abandonment of the democratic process, is ongoing and getting worse every year.

That describes most of not all of the current Republicans in government R141.

Just for shits and giggles, go to Wiki and look up the John Birch Society.

I have a theory that since I believe that Russia is behind this, they have already planned for the eventuality of a world without Trump. I bet that they already have his successor picked out. And it will be someone from the Media. I'm looking at you Sean Hannity.

For years, since 1941, the far right, like the John Birch Society in the 1950s, , was seen as a joke as far as national policy or voters.. Although the book 7 Days in May was written out of a concern for a different kind of right wing threat at that time.

Then came Vietnam and the left wing inspired anti war movement. The Silent Majority was born or coined as a response to that. . And the right had been growing and getting stronger ever since.

They may not be smarter but they are tougher and will do what ever it takes to win.. The left will complain a lot..

Yeah but they’re old and there are less of them now r146. Plus people on the left are finally, FINALLY not going high when they go low and telling them to fuck off and die. They are not the majority, they’re just noisy and loud and stupid.

Younger voters are motivated as never before. They are concerned about the environment, gun safety, and reproductive freedom. All this book banning and fucking with the curriculum is really pissing them off. They are smarter, too. They see through the phoniness and obstruction and lies of the Extremist. And they are totally turned off by the Republicans f ucking with Gay Rights. They support Gay Rights, and basically do not give two fucks about who you fuck or how you fuck.

R148

I am sure you are not one of those bozos that make up shit and then post it on the internet as if true. There are terrible people like that. Not to be trusted.

So for us to know you are not one of these liars or fakers why don’t you post some data from a reputable source backing up the statement you just made above,

Unless of course you just made that shit up

Barbie Feet Desantis will ‘step’ into trump’s role. 👢

Biden is more decrepit than Trump plus he’s already quit senile.

Uh huh.

Boris has entered the chat.

Why did Trump’s career go down the shitter?

[quote]Biden is more decrepit than Trump plus he’s already quit senile.

And embraced becoming an effective leader.

His followers would fight among themselves and people like Thiel would wind up playing a bigger role in finding some new disaster to be the face of this.

[quote]plus he’s already quit senile.

Uh huh. Get back to us when Trump utters a coherent sentence. I suspect that's the last we'll hear from you on that.

Don't tease me with wonderful news.

I genuinely think some of the MAGA crowd would commit suicide. Oh gosh, how awful that would be! Let's hope it doesn't happen!

I eagerly await Laura Loomer's implosion. Maybe she'll stick a gun up her asshole and blow out her brains.

Too small a target.

Thiel is supposedly an fbi snitch.

There is no redeemable quality about this man.

MAGA Caitlyn Jenner video:

[quote]”If Trump loses in 2024, AMERICA IS FINISHED!”

Well there you have it, if Caitlyn Jenner is supporting Trump just proves he brings all the nut jobs to the yard.

The way the media is covering Trump scares me. They are legitimizing him, after 4 indictments on 91 charges! And he is clearly losing it when he posts comments or makes speeches. Irrational incoherent, etc. The thing is we need to recognize that the Fascists, the White Christian Nationalists, etc are going to be busy with or without him. They have a strategy. THey are running people for offices at the local level and have taken over the state Republican party organizations. To say well we have to turn out and vote, is simplistic. Of course we do. But with corruption voter suppression, gerrymandering, etc. the deck is stacked and we will require overwhelming turnout. Tuesday, Andy Beshears is running for re-election in Kentucky. Brandon Presley is running to get elected the first Democratic Governor in a very long time in Mississippi. And the state Legislature in Virginia is hold elections. National media focuses on the show biz, and spectacle they hype about national politics. But the fight is going on locally. We need better lawmakers who will make the kind of laws that insure that these people can never hold office in this country, and some of them need to go to jail for fucking treason.

I would pray they'd all kill themselves.

R3 Are you kidding? He would LOVE to be president again. He believes all his legal problems would go away. He’s also ENRAGED now and would take a scorched Earth approach to the US.

[quote] It all seems very primal, so really the only person who could take his place is, theoretically, a son. Fortunately for America, neither of his adult sons is up to it.

And thank FUCK for that R64! The only piece of good news in this situation is that there isn't going to be an ongoing political Dump dynasty.

Don't automatically assume things would be so much better almost immediately if he dropped dead. You forget, the MAGATS are all psychotic, delusional, and in many cases criminally insane. People like that never just give up if their leader dies. There will be plenty who'll claim Trump will be resurrected on a certain date and tell all the followers they must keep him alive in their hearts and minds and continue his "teachings". In fact, they may start causing more trouble than they do now.

After Trump dies he will undergo a resurrection? The neo-fascist evangelicals will go nuts in anticipation.

Trump may be their standard bearer, but the philosophy and the political beliefs that got him elected and staged that insurrection, and who have taken over legislatures and judgeships and school boards, and rus the political party operations in all 50 states was here before Trump and will be here after him. And while they may fracture without him, some going for deSantis and others going elsewhere, There re plenty of politicians in Congress and locally who will carry the banner of Extremism. If we have learned one thing about the Republicans, it is that after a lot of fighting they unify. Eyes on the Prize.

[quote] plus he’s already quit senile.

What, his already fanatical support for your horrible little apartheid state isn’t enough for you?

Something like this, I suspect...

"When Saguache County police officers arrived at Lamboy’s house in Crestone, they found Carlson immediately. They could see the twinkling, multi-colored makeshift shrine from down the hallway. The scent of sage hung in the air, according to an officer on the scene. The room was decorated much like a child’s bedroom, with rainbows and hearts and stars. A few stuffed bunny toys perched atop the mantle above Carlson’s body, as if keeping vigil.

She sat atop a bed, wrapped in what appeared to be a sleeping bag, and decorated with Christmas lights. Her body was in an advanced state of decomposition. Her eyes had deteriorated to the point that they appeared to be missing entirely, and the area around the empty sockets had been dusted with glitter makeup. Her lips had receded, causing her teeth to protrude from her mouth. She was shockingly thin, and her skin was blue — though authorities wouldn’t have known that her skin had already begun turning blue over the previous few months. “Wow, they painted her,” one officer is heard remarking on body-cam footage that was later released."

Josh Hawley would be unanimously supported to be the new, undisputed MAGA leader and near future President.

"To die by your side is such a heavenly way to die......"

R173, the body cam is so creepy! I didnt think they would show the face but they did.😵😵😵

[quote]and of course before the John Birch Society there was the KKK which is still with us today.

Yes the KKK has now become a driving force within the MAGA cult R69

White supremacy is the driving force behind the MAGA movement. In the 1960s the Republicans rejected the John Birch Society from their party because they understood it would lead to division and ultimate ruin. After Obama became president the Tea Party emerged, which was basically a neo-version of the John Birch Society, and not surprisingly was financed by the Koch Brothers, whose father was a principal figure in the John Birch Society. Once Trump came on the scene, the Tea Partiers jumped on the MAGA wagon, because Trump 's ugly rhetoric validated their own hates and fears and prejudices. Today the Republican Party doesn't really exist, it's is a MAGA party dedicated to the cult of Trump. Once Trump is gone, someone just as morally corrupt will rise to replace him.

Agree with R167. He's in this to return to DC in triumph, his "rightful" second term. Last chance to avoid facing being a loser, narcissists' worst nightmare.

Well, folks like OP would run outa things to talk about. Let's all pretend we're talking heads on CNN. I'm some kinda expert! AX ME ANYTHING.