What do you predict will happen if Trump is defeated .....

I think the Rethuglican party is dying. It's taking a long time to do it but it's on that path. If they don't hurry up and grow a backbone, they're going to lose bigly in the 2024 elections. BIGLY.

Look at all their fuckery now, for god's sake. Trump hasn't even been put on trial yet and they are coming apart at the seams. They've lost so many Republicans who simply can't stomach their treason and scamming and all the rest of the white supremacist shit. The Independents don't even want to know them. Nobody wants to know them, Nazis aren't social butterflies.

The losing sides will both show equanimity, tipping their hats in respect to the victor.

I think they'll win the House back, retain the Senate and retain the White House. Sweep.

I don't see Republicans winning anything for a good long while. They really fucked up this time and show no sign of stopping.

r3 Oh I wish I had your optimism. I don't see the Rethugs winning anything legally, but hell yes they will retain seats

Of course they'll retain some seats, just not enough to control either of the houses of congress.

I don't think Trump can win (legally.) I think it will be close and I worry he's not going away until he's buried. So even if he loses 2024, which I expect he will, he'll be complicating things as long as he can. He cannot live without the attention. He'd only be 82 in 2028. Who described it well the other day - he has the energy of the insane or zealous or something you don't want in a president.

[quote] What do you predict will happen if Trump is defeated .....

The country will literally implode

I agree with R3. I think there's no question about it.

We can all have a huge fart of relief.

"I worry he's not going away until he's buried"

And that's a problem because?

"He'd only be 82 in 2028. Who described it well the other day - he has the energy of the insane or zealous or something you don't want in a president."

Incredibly poor diet. No exercise (he always uses a golf cart), I don't think his parents lived to any great age. Crazy people stroke out and die all the time. Their emotions run amok and Poof! they stroke out.

If Trump gets defeated Gee, what will watch or listen to or read on the news? Will we be able to live without following his every word, lie, or bloviation? Might have to hire somebody to report the news instead of repeating what stands in for news these days.

R7 is a fantasist.

WHEN Trump loses, the entire gig is over. Maybe, maybe, a handful of morons will do something criminally stupid, but the prison sentences this year have probably concentrated MAGAt minds wonderfully.

There can be no Republican repeat of fake electors, "perfect" phone calls to State Secretaries of State, attempts at getting voting machines, etc. Trump et al. will have no power.

WHEN Biden wins re-election, there will be an almost audible national and international sigh of relief and innumerable exclamations of "THANK GOD!"

There will be no explosion, no implosion. Joe Biden's democracy will carry on.

Patsy knows what time it is in Dumpworld...

[quote]WHEN Biden wins re-election, there will be an almost audible national and international sigh of relief and innumerable exclamations of "THANK GOD!" There will be no explosion, no implosion. Joe Biden's democracy will carry on.

And then the Dems had better get off their tails and develop a long-term succession strategy, or the country could still fall off the rails. It is outrageous that a party that has been in power for 12 years of this century has no viable talent bank -- not for next year and not for the four or eight years after that either.

I think Trump can win, terrifying but I can see it happening. He did get 4 million MORE votes in 2020 than he did in 2016, people's memories are short and I think they'll blame Biden for the high gas prices, etc.

I expect that Biden and Harris will win reelection. The Dems will keep the Senate by a narrow majority and take back the House. This will enrage the tRumper MAGAts who are spoiling for a repeat of the Civil War. They are not going to actually do anything. Oh, there will be additional shenanigans and attempts by the reich-wing to try and overturn the results in battleground states — with the same results as last time. This time, however, no one is going to storm the Capitol or try and thwart the counting of the Electoral College votes.

Will you seek a third term?

I honestly don't give a fuck anymore about politics.

If Biden wins (likely), and Dems retake the House (likely), and keep the Senate (difficult), we'll be in a good place.

If Trump wins (unlikely), and the GOP keeps the House (unlikely) and take the Senate (sadly likely), this country will be over. It will be the End Of America. It will be the beginning of an absolute nightmare that we will not be able to wake up from for a generation. Utter disaster.

[quote]I honestly don't give a fuck anymore about politics.

Must be nice to be that privileged.

R14, just how fucking high are you, dear? No viable talent bank for 2024 AND 2028? OMG the sky is falling the sky is falling!

Are you in some kind of drug induced coma or living under a rock? Poor thing, you have our sympathy, of course.

We have tons of talent and a bench that's far deeper than Rhonda Santis, Nimrata Haley and Kristi "I've been fucking Corey Lewandowski for years on the side" Noem.

Bitch, please. President Biden is our choice for 2024 because of his record as President and before that as VP and Senator. He is in the best position to beat Dump or any other goddamn Republican scumsucking pig candidate. We're going with him and a million Republican morons aren't going to change that no matter how desperately you want to.

What do you mean IF?

Trump will try again to say it was rigged but it won’t go anywhere. People are on to his chin game.

Republicans will continue to demonize Biden and Kamala. They won’t change

^ “con game”

There is no scenario where Republicans win President, Senate and House.

I thought "chin game" worked fairly well too.

R25, there IS such a scenario, it's just extremely unlikely (and involves a whole lot of corruption and cheating... the GOP is laying a TON of ground-work to steal the election in 2024, and they seemingly have the full cooperation of ALL the media).

Don't dismiss the possibility they win entirely. Understand that to keep them from winning will take a full court press between now and the end of 2024. We have to have a massive turnout to over-come their voter suppression, corruption, propaganda, lying, cheating, and stealing. And I imagine there will be no small amount of violence on their part too, intimidation, etc.

I think the GOP has/will fracture into at least 2 distinct entities as their current path is unsustainable. .

R15, 81 million is still > 74 million.

r25 Nothing will surprise me. Nothing.

R21, grown ups are talking so settle down.

Where is this confidence coming from that Dems will retake the House? I can see the presidency and the Senate, the House... people are stupid.

Can't find it now, but I just saw an article on MSNBC.com about how many of Trump's cabinet level officials were already planning their triumphant return to The White House in 2025.

I think the GOPigs will have a brokered convention and nominate Glenn Younkin with the argument that Trump is unelectable/too old and reassure the cult that Youngkin hates immigrants, blacks and queers as much as they do; which he does.

[quote] He did get 4 million MORE votes in 2020 than he did in 2016

Actually 11 million more (74m vs. 63m), but Biden got 15 million more than Clinton.

It’s just fucking incredible this this whole fucking national nightmare could be over in just over 13 months

[quote]Where is this confidence coming from that Dems will retake the House? I can see the presidency and the Senate, the House... people are stupid.

"The possibility of a split congressional decision in 2024, with the Senate flipping to Republicans and the House turning over to Democrats, is looking increasingly likely."

R36, if Donald Trump is again defeated in the 2024 elections, do you honestly believe that clown will silently go away, never to be heard from again?

He's a fucking ex-game show host. He'll do anything to keep up his "ratings." If he has to destroy the United States in the process, so be it. Unfortunately, gutless, spineless Republican and 68 million pro-Trump voters will let him do it.

It’s not gonna happen losers! Trump, Haley, and Scott are all beating Biden.

R32, due to redistricting and courts throwing out gerrymandered maps, it's almost impossible for Dems not to pick up at least 5 seats, and the GOP only hold a 5 seat majority, so it really seems like it would be easy for Dems to take back the House. Especially after this two year term of blatant GOP incompetence, bumbling, and nonsense there. Never mind that there are THIRTY Republican House members that are running in districts Biden won. It won't take much investment to flip at least five of THOSE as well. Never mind that ever since the GOP managed to get Roe overturned, Dems have been over-performing in every single election (no predicted "Red Wave" in 2020, and Dems winning upsets in many special elections since then).

It would be very unusual if Democrats do NOT re-take the House in 2024.

The Senate is a whole different matter. There are may vulnerable Dems, and only one vulnerable Republican... and many more Democrats are up for re-election and have to be defended than Republicans, so our resources will be spread thinner. And Democrats have the thinnest of margins as it is. Only takes one or two seats to flip and we lose the majority. And sadly, that's much more likely than us defending 100% of the seats, or even flipping the one (slighly) vulnerable seat: Ted Cruz in Texas.

R39 is either joking (that's hilarious!) or delusional.

It's hard to tell anymore.

Tim Scott, r39? THAT Scott? And an Indian woman?

Bwahahahaha!

R36, He can rant from prison.

Most DC insiders seem to feel that the Democrats have a good chance at taking back the House. They have zero chance of retaining the Senate. And the presidential election is a toss-up, but Trump has the edge at the moment. Pennsylvania and Michigan will stay blue. Georgia and Arizona will flip back to red. It all comes down to one state: Wisconsin.

Biden will pack the Supreme Court. Term-limited he will have nothing to lose.

The Dems are going to lose the Senate. Manchin either won't run or will get defeated. Sherrod Brown will likely be defeated. Same thing with Jon Tester.

No Republican will be ousted, barring a miracle in Texas.

Biden will win the White House back, and the House of Reps will go back to Dem, please God without Nancy Pelosi this time.

The Rethugs might all lose at the national level but fascist rightwingers control a lot of state governments. They can still screw things up.

R45, don't be a sexist ass. Nancy Pelosi is literally the best Speaker in history, and managed to accomplish a lot of amazing work. She was never the problem. That's a bullshit sexist, misogynist GOP talking point.

But regardless of your irrational disrespect towards her, Hakeem Jeffries will be the new Speaker when Democrats re-take the House.

The good news for mainstream (capitalist, natalist) democrats is that current late-stage capitalism is already the “bottom of the barrel” economically and republican tax cuts won’t necessarily fuck working class people any more than they’ve already been fucked by corporate greed in the past 40 years. The only things hanging in the balance are social issues and forward-thinking action on the environment.

We will devolve into something that looks more and more like the Irish troubles or the Years of Lead in Italy. Unless the online loudness/russian bot farms just make our domestic fascists look way more in number than they truly are, then we might be alright as long as Dems win.

Pelosi was a very effective Speaker but she's also 83. One of the Dems' central problems is the advanced age of its leadership.

It alienates younger voters, who they need, and clearly isn't attracting older voters, who vote Republican en masse.

No matter which party prevails in the majority, they both serve the wealthy, so there will be the usual prevarications and talking points-based regrets about what simply cannot be done at this time. The prevailing party will also answer to whatever the military wants, like more money for wars and the beefing up of homeland security (which is code for complete digital surveillance and tracking through a digital passport or wallet on everyone's phone). The govt already has surveillance superiority, but apps on most of the population's phone will make it more streamlined. See? Progress, but make it pleases the wealthy! Dems and Repubs - two heads, same hydra.

The "both sides" bullshit is so poisonous. To say that the Dems and the Rs are the same is to say that Hitler and Churchill were the same because they both liked dogs.

Should have been a poll.

R51 = Susan Sarandon, who is partly responsible for the mess we are now in, thanks to her "both sides are bad and evil" bullshit back in 2016.

Go away, sunt.

[quote]Pelosi was a very effective Speaker but she's also 83. One of the Dems' central problems is the advanced age of its leadership.

Are you living under a rock? Pelosi stepped down from the House Democratic leadership after last year's election. If the Dems take the house we can assume Hakeem Jeffries, the current minority leader, will be Speaker. He's 53; is that young enough for you?

Your only post in the thread, r51?

[quote]What do you predict will happen when Trump is defeated .....

Fixed it for you, OP.

Trump today is crushing the gop field. It’s not remotely close. And his lead is expanding. What bad news do you expect to come along so bad it will knock Don out of the massive lead he has? More arrests? More he grabbed me charges?

A year from now they will still be picking juries and the courts will still be hearing appeals.

It’s the Dems that have to hold serve. The economy, Biden’s health, a serious infectious disease outbreak, a prolonged auto strike or other major strikes, a long term govt shut down, any number of other things can go wrong. The Dems have to remain lucky or even more lucky.

And today Biden is behind not just one but 3 GOP

(don’t worry be happy playing in the potential future losers lounge right now)

There will be no brokered convention, trump will be the nominee , and he will pick a VP that appeals to more people not fewer.

Those that thinks trump can’t win are truly living in a delusional bubble.

And if he does win he will have debts to pay to those who stood with him. The right to choose, marriage equality, and a whole lot of other things are going to be under a major attack. It will be turning back the clock of time.

There are young progressive people today that think they have already lived thru tough times . Silly bastards.

R51 is one of those tedious "both sides" idiots that are so goddamned annoying and are why we're in this mess.

The two parties are nearly polar opposites on every issue you can name, and yet they claim "they both work for the 1%". No, you goddamned motherfucker. Open your myopic ideological eyes and take a look at reality. You're sure to be surprised. I mean, one brought insulin down to $35/month max (and tried to do it for EVERYONE) and the other fought it tooth and nail and wants to repeal it. So fuck off, R51, because no, you're just fucking WRONG.

It's my hope that Trump will be in prison before November of 2024 rolls around.

And R39, it’s instructive to remember that Pres. Dole was beating Bill Clinton in the polls this time in 1995, while Pres, Romney was ahead in the polls against Barack Obama this time in 2011.

[quote]If the Dems take the house we can assume Hakeem Jeffries, the current minority leader, will be Speaker.

Can we? She's announced she's running for Congress again next year. I have no doubt about her smarts and her skills. But are we sure she doesn't want to be Speaker *again?

"Trump today is crushing the gop field. It’s not remotely close. And his lead is expanding. What bad news do you expect to come along so bad it will knock Don out of the massive lead he has? More arrests? More he grabbed me charges?"

Really, it is that bad. What could he possibly do now that would cause him to lose support? What?

We ae heading into a nightmare, and he will win, and the republic party will control the government. Then the paybacks. The Democratic Underground plants are all over this thread.

[quote]But are we sure she doesn't want to be Speaker *again?

Yes.

He was defeated twice.

Most Americans don't want to see his face or hear his voice ever again.

[quote] She's announced she's running for Congress again next year. I have no doubt about her smarts and her skills. But are we sure she doesn't want to be Speaker *again?

You must have missed all the statements Pelosi made about stepping down and handing the gavel over to a new person. Are you under the impression that she lost the position to Jeffries and might put her name in competition against his next time?

But but we can’t trust Hillary.

You want to see the country really go into the tailspin? See what happens if they both kick the bucket before November 2024. Bitches ain't young.

R69, You weren't alive in either 1963 or 1968, were you?

JFK's assassination and LBJ's ascension led to zero "tailspin."

The assassinations and protests and Democratic Convention "police riot" (official designation by investigative commission) of 1968 did rattle us, for sure.

Nonetheless, here we are, having weathered the time, wars, a Presidential resignation, and impeachments.

God forbid the current President pass away before his re-election, but we will cope.

Substitute "rejoice" there regarding TFFG.

I’m sorry, but both parties ARE corporatists. However, there is a spectrum on corporatism, and the right is far far worse.

The right is fascist however, while the left is not, and the left do have players who really are trying to fight for policies that make our country work for ALL people, especially the working class, POC, LGBT, women.

All this to say, Dems can be both Corporatist *and* also cherry pick the causes they fight for, so as to carefully not upset the apple cart with their corporate overlords. Rethugs just straight up want to burn the whole thing down — so no, not the same as Dems at all. The one bipartisan stand they all have is to protect their donors interests….it’s the reality of our system guys, super pacs are running the show as is dark money, it’s all corrupt but that doesn’t mean I think both parties are twins.

All this to say, hell yes Trump can win. We must turn out our voting coalition of POC, LGBT, the working class, and women. If we don’t see a surge in women and/or black people, we will lose the WH. You are insane and part of the problem if you don’t understand that he can win.

So….start volunteering right now. Dems should recruit armies of people to go canvas in WI now (but the guy running the Dem Ops in WI is said to be the best in the country). The ground game in WI will determine who wins.

[quote] Most DC insiders seem to feel that the Democrats have a good chance at taking back the House. They have zero chance of retaining the Senate. And the presidential election is a toss-up, but Trump has the edge at the moment.

Most DC insiders also thought that the Rethugs were going to have either a “Red Wave” or a “Red Tsunami” in 2022. Their ability to predict elections is extremely suspect. Who knows what Joe Manchin is going to do, but it is quite unlikely that his West Virginia Senate seat is going to stay in Democratic hands. So that one is probably lost. Brown in Ohio and Tester in Montana may be able to scrape by if they say “reproductive rights” often enough in the next 14 months. The women voters in Ohio certainly showed up last month to defeat a special ballot measure that was aimed at indirectly restricting abortion. The women may show up again to save a crucial Senate seat or two.

I have little faith that we could dislodge the obnoxious Ted Cruz despite how hated he is. But I’d love to be wrong about that.

What we’ve learned in the era of tRump is that conventional wisdom is often wrong and the old rules just don’t seem to apply. 🤷‍♂️ Well, we’ll know for certain in November 2024.

[quote]Are you under the impression that she lost the position to Jeffries and might put her name in competition against his next time?

Not at all. I just think she sees herself as indispensable and will tell herself that the Country Needs Me if the House goes Dem in 2024.

Listen - I like Pelosi. I have a lot of respect for her achievements. And she was literally the only one on the Hill who had Trump's number from Day One. But she should retire. Really retire. Let someone else run for her seat.

[quote]Most DC insiders also thought that the Rethugs were going to have either a “Red Wave” or a “Red Tsunami” in 2022.

No, r22. That was just my period they were seeing.

Well, we'll have a few less Trump threads than if he won.

Sorry, R47, I have to reserve that spot for the legendary Tip O'Neill. That being said, Nancy Pelosi is a Speaker who built her own legend. She is a great House leader and astonishingly good at her job under the most trying circumstances.

Those crazy motherfuckers tried to kill her when they attempted to overthrow the United States in their failed coup. Tip never had to put up with that shit. He's still the King of Speakers with Nancy a strong second place.

Yeah, r76, but Nancy had to do it backwards and in high heels.

Backwards? She wasn't dancing, kid, and she chose her own shoes. I always saw her from the front and no one was leading her.

Does anyone honestly believe that bastard will ever be convicted and sent to prison? They won't even enforce a gag order on him.

[[quote]Does anyone honestly believe that bastard will ever be convicted and sent to prison?

Well, r79, they'd have to indict him first and *that's* not gonna happen.

I believe he will be convicted, yes. Imprisoned? I just don't know. He should get at least as much as the lead insurrectionists/seditionists he and his goons instructed. Their longest sentence was 22 years. He should get more than that.

I doubt that they'll figure out how to put him in prison with his Secret Service detail. Really I just don't know.

I just wish that he would stroke out and die. Do everyone a fucking favor for once in his miserable wasted life.

“ Well, [R79], they'd have to indict him first and *that's* not gonna happen.”

Y u sofa king we todd did?

Thank you for sharing, r82. Now clean up your mess and go back downstairs.

Stop already. Biden wins.

Why wouldn't he lose his Secret Service detail if he is a convicted traitor who attempted to overthrow a Presidential election?

Biden/Harris will win, even if it's a squeaker, in SPITE of all the lying and cheating and threats and machinations the GOP will engage in.

Democrats will take back the House too. We've seen AGAIN how utterly incompetent Republicans are at governing. Their two year House term has been an utter disaster and it's only getting worse as we head towards a completely avoidable shutdown that they seem unable to avoid.

The Senate is a sticky matter because the calendar is absolutely brutal for Democrats. They have more than twice as many seats to defend, and MANY more vulnerable candidates than the GOP. It's very likely the GOP pick up seats and flip the Senate. This will be bad, but not the COMPLETE disaster that the GOP House has been. It does mean that all judicial confirmations come to a screeching halt though. That's not good.

So we all need to focus on doing everything we can to get Biden over the finish line and defend the Senate. We need these things back. And we need to keep the White House & Senate for at least TEN YEARS so we can un-fuck the Supreme Court as the two oldest (and most corrupt) conservatives either retire or die.

If Fuckface von Clownstick isn't defeated we'll have to take him out ourselves and, while rewarding, it could get pretty dicey.

Anarchy with or without revolution.

In the first scenario, it might be enough for the RNC to finally wash their hands of him. Trump and the MAGATs failing to deliver for the Republicans yet again would be a huge disappointment for them.

Spoiled Brat in a Sandbox’: Inside the Feud Between Donald Trump and the Reagan Library.

To enable Trump's defeat, can we get Judge Judy to preside over ALL his trials?

Trump is about to be on trial for crimes against humanity.

I read it as when will he be deflated.

[quote]Trump is about to be on trial for crimes against humanity.

Well, He *is* responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans.

r93, I read it as defecated.

I see no reason at all to lose sleep over the scenario of having a Democratic president and both houses in (by a comfortable majority) Democratic hands.

Republicans should should have no effective power in the the national government (or any other).

R95 Well he is a piece of shit.

If Democrats sweep? I hope we'll see them codify abortion rights nationwide, and advance similar legislation that will improve lives and benefit the majority. The heads of conservatives will explode, but the rest of us, the overwhelming majority of the American public, will benefit greatly. We early always do under Democratic governments. Democrats are for "the people."

If Republicans sweep? We will continue to see assaults on our rights and liberties, an aggressive dismantling of our American democracy, and we'll immediately descend back into the sort of civil chaos and state violence that we saw under Trump. Republicans are for "the few" and they always create chaos and misery.

R96, you're talking about "what if" scenarios with both your statements.

I think Biden will win, because enough people want Dump out of their lives and out of politics. The people who voted for Biden last time will vote for him again, not fewer people. I sincerely hope that's the case, anyway.

The Senate is lost because of the numbers of seats that need to be defended, as has been said. The House will swing back to Dems, especially after the antics of the House GOP. They barely won it as it is.

R98, even a Democratic sweep won’t be enough to codify abortion rights unless there’s a resulting supermajority in the Senate. And that’s not happening.

[quote] If Democrats sweep? I hope we'll see them codify abortion rights nationwide, and advance similar legislation that will improve lives and benefit the majority.

Hold on there a minute, R98! You need to think about the necessity of a supermajority to provide stability and ...

Oh wait, I'll be irrelevant.

I’ve posted this on other threads. Joyce Vance laid out how his imprisonment will go. She brought up how Jefferson Davies was housed for 2.5 years in a military fort after the Civil War. She believes they will first be forced to do that because nothing else is secure, both for him and his protection team — while they build a special facility just for Dump.

As someone who volunteers in a jail weekly (max security), I believe Joyce is 100% correct. They can’t put him into a regular prison because our enemies will send spies to try and get more national secrets out of him. Or kill him just for the glory, which makes us look weak. Also, anyone in a prison could try to kill him — I would imagine lots of gang-bangers would looooooove to slice his throat. And we can’t undo his secret service protection, because again, he holds national secrets, so SS isn’t really for him, it’s to protect our secrets. We also can’t have SS inside a regular prison — that’s not what they are trained for, and it puts SS in grave danger too. The ONLY secure way to keep others away from Trump to stop him from leaking ever more secrets is to put him inside his own facility. He cannot be in a building with any other inmates.

^ You read it here first kids, though I take no credit, it’s all Joyce. Military base, then his own little “fort”, a mini-Supermax if you will. And I’m fucking here for it.

Amen, amen, a-fucking-men, R102.

Spandau that motherfucker.

From your mouth to god's ears, R102!

Honestly, the simplest solution is to convict him for treason and then just put him to death.

Trump only lost by 44,000 votes in the electoral college in 2020. Anyone thinking he can't win again in 2024 is fooling themselves.

It's not that he CAN'T, r106, it's that he WON'T.

What is possible is that he'll try to steal it. At that point we'll do whatever is required to make sure that President Biden is protected, sworn in and serves his second term. Dump will be dealt with in an appropriate way with a treason trial.

Treason is the ONE crime for which I support the Death Penalty. I'm against it in all other criminal cases. With Dump, I make an exception. As much as I, personally, would support it, I think it would be too inflammatory to the unhinged Trumptards. They'd start killing too many innocent citizens. Let them watch Dump sit in jail, suffer and wither away until the day he dies.

Even the former president got caught and taken down. He's a cautionary tale for the other Nazis.

At least that's my feeling on it at the moment. I'm usually advocating for him to stroke out.

Turdman, Turdman, plead guilty! You’re a lying a sick of shit. Turdman, Turdman! I can see your make up lines.

Please, the election hasn't even been engaged, yet. I get the fear of Trump back in office - a fear that, like in '20, will draw out the voters in record numbers - but all this premature bedwetting should be seen for what it is.

I think the biggest issues facing the Democrats will be the same as the last several years. Crime and Homelessness and those issues have gotten worse. Would it be enough to turn the country Red? Don't underestimate the anger about what is perceived to be failed progressive philosophy.

Turdman, come out from your bunker! Or you gonna like you did for the draft. What your pussy has bone spurs?

You gonna hide**

R110, sweetie, you're a dour fantasist. Stop.

This is a normal Centrist Democrat running against a known Nazi/white supremacist/lunatic. Now who the fuck do you think is going to win? The normal Centrist Democrat, of course. It's not fucking rocket science.

If we have proven anything in the past 50 years it is that Americans don't give a fuck about homeless people. Every president has failed policies on homelessness. These dumbfucks can jump up and down and cosplay all they want, Rethuglicans sure as shit don't give a fuck about homeless people and everyone knows it.

All your fearmongering about Oakland and SF, just to try to hurt VP Harris. You're just so fucking obvious and stupid. You've already failed. She's fine, she sends her love.

Dump can't win and he won't win. Pull out any kind of wedge issue you want, losers. Dump's headed for American Spandau.

R106, if Trump couldn’t win with the (enormous) advantages of incumbency, a united party & no serious third-party candidate cutting into his vote, how do you see him winning in ‘24 (against an incumbent, who has a United party behind him & likely no serious third-party challenger)?

President Biden has a KILLER of a record as president. Other presidents would have killed for Biden's numbers.

People just have to keep countering all the overwhelming piles of Rethuglican propaganda bullshit with President Biden's actual record which absolutely kicks ass.

The reich-wing morons have too much of a voice on the Datalounge. We need to drown them out more.

Insulin for Diabetics - President Biden got it capped at $35 a month, down from as much as $500 a month. Now THAT is accomplishing something for average Americans.

President Biden also got an agreement to negotiate prices on ten very common and expensive drugs. It's not everything but it's a start, and a good one. We've been screaming for drug price negotiating like other countries do for years and we could never get it. Now we've started down that road. Hallelu. We all know where it leads but, as Americans, we always make these changes over time. We're just slow like that with large programs, always have been.

As Mr Churchill once said, "Americans can always be counted on to do the right thing, after they've tried everything else first."

Bidens gonna win PA, MI, WI, AZ, NV and probably GA. And that's the ball game.

R115

And H Clinton might have been the best prepared person to ever head a major parties ticket.

We can't get complacent. Voter turnout is key. But Biden is well positioned while Trump and the GOP clown car are in complete disarray.

R118

So is this the New Math I have heard about? Those who are behind, and continuing to drop, are well positioned and the guy who is in the lead, a lead that has been growing, is an example of complete disarray?

[quote] Those who are behind, and continuing to drop

[quote] the guy who is in the lead, a lead that has been growing

It depends on what polls you're talking about, R119.

trump is poison. IF he gets the WH back in 2024 it will only be because the republicans rigged the elections to get him in. Four indictments, 91 felony charges, and the list will grow. I know he has a solid base of cult followers, but they won't be enough to win the election for him.

Sure, R119. 🙄

[quote]So is this the New Math I have heard about?

This is what passes for humor at the Vladivostok troll farm.

R120

Maybe the two most recent polls for a start

ABC Washington Post Poll

NBC Poll

A really good president running behind a total and complete sleaze.. And he can’t get ahead.

Both polls show Biden in a very tough spot relative to Trump and Trump breezing through the GOP field easily.

But you keep signing , don’t worry be happy , and I am sure everything will work out wonderfully.

Nobody is saying that, R124. At least I'm not. Polls also fluctuate, and they change with time. The only person more annoying than those who live with their head in the clouds are doom mongers.

There is a middle ground, you know.

[quote] Trump breezing through the GOP field easily

Of course he's breezing through easily, R124--he is the face of the GOP. That's not much of an insight.

R119's entire posting history is just claim after claim that Trump will beat Biden, cherry picked polls (that are useless and laughable this far out) to support those claims, and snarky retorts mocking posts that say otherwise. 100% that's all it posts. Just classic troll farm bullshit. Easy block.

Thank you, R127, I'm usually too lazy to bother ignoredar-ing someone but I should do it more often.

R119 is a complete waste of time and space and has nothing to say of any value. Adios R119, keep trolling into the void.

Is that right, R127? Good to know.

People (or should I say trolls?) seem to forget their posting history is easily discoverable. One giveaway is when they say how much they "support" a "really good president" who "just can't get ahead." I wonder who the trolls think they're influencing on a site like DL.

"Premature bedwetting" that's so cavalier and dismissive. How anyone is able to take that stance after 2016 is beyond me. And, honestly, anyone who does doesn't understand how very close Trump came to pulling it off again in 2020. 44,000 votes in the electoral college- that is a miniscule margin.

Do I think Trump will win? No. But, I didn't think he'd win in 2016, and I thought 2020 would be a landslide for Biden.

I am worried.

R130, Biden won the last election by over 7 million votes, as well as the popular vote. And the electoral college was Biden 306, Dump 232--exactly the same as it was when Dump won in 2016.

Be worried all you like (or don't like). I'm not saying we should take anyrhing for granted, either.

If you're so worried, R130, are you volunteering for Biden? Are you going to ring doorbells? Or just hide under the bed?

[quote]ABC Washington Post Poll

That poll was such an outlier, and so weighted toward Republican respondents, that pollsters and pundits criticized the Post for even reporting on it. They subsequently took it off their front page and buried it somewhere without a link.

So much for the stock we're supposed to take in polls, right, R133?

If the Democrats take everything, for the love of God can we please get a REAL progressive in the White House? As for Congress, please counter balance the Supreme court with at least 3 progressive, impeach Clarence Thomas, pass a Supreme Court ethics law, pass a LGBT rights bill, Universal Health Care, Investigate Jarrod Kusher's 2 Billion from the Saudi, tax the uber rich on their wealth and not on their reported income.

r106 r130 44,000 votes? Huh? There are only 538 electors voting in the electoral college.

I'm not worried and most of the hand-wringing we see here comes from propaganda trolls and old biddies, those gullible enough to fall for trolling propganda bullshit.

My wallet is open and in use monthly by the Biden campaign, same as last time but it's more money this time. That's the one concession I'll make to the trolls. You and Dump scare me enough that I give significantly more money to President Biden in 2023. Probably not needed but I'll sleep better.

I'm too old to ring doorbells and that sort of thing. We'll bring the food and beverages etc etc to the campaign office. We'll do yard signs, host debate watch parties and possibly a couple of beachside bbq's. I'm happy to volunteer but I can't do all the things anymore and I don't expect to get any guilt-tripping shit for it.

Don't underestimate and how much the majority of the country hates Donald Dump. He is HATED. I will not tolerate any bullshit from these Nazi-wannabe thugs. Biden has been and continues to be a very successful president to everyone but the trumptards. Fuck 'em and don't hesitate to Whack A Troll/Whack A Trumptard whenever they show themselves.

No one is saying that the president hasn't lost a step in his communication skills. I've seen him for years and he's slower when he speaks than he used to be. The fact remains that the president's in better shape than Fuckface von Clownstick who is the same age, a bloated pig, mentally slipping and ready to stroke out.

Most importantly, President Biden is mentally fit for the presidency and that's what I need from him.

For all of those ringing their hands about Biden I say this. He won last time both the popular vote and electoral vote. It actually was NOT that close. Literally the most votes for any president in history. But here is the thing, besides the trolls trying to tell you otherwise, Democrats or Independents who lean left are NOT suddenly voting for Trump. Likewise no Trumpeter is going to vote for Biden "I am a life long Democrat but....." are just Trolls.

We've seen Democrats in office for generations. No one should be surprised where they stand on the issues. Only a Troll would post something saying "now that they have seen a Democrat in office" they are going to change sides. Now Trump was a different matter. A reality show host, grifting business man, Joker card in the deck. People wanted to shake it up, see what would happen. They got their wish and it actually REDUCED the size of the Republican party. More Republicans fled that party than in any other time in history.

So here we are, we know what Democrats are like, we know what Trump was like, and the vast majority of people can see even if they dont want to admit it Trump experiment was a failure. Worse than that, he destroyed one of the two major parties. When you play around the pool, expect to get wet. Bottom line, people who were honestly on the fence, cant justify what Trump did as beneficial to America. So my 2 cents say they will lean into the safer choice which is Biden. Yes, I know he's old. Irrelevant, he has a VP who will carry out similar plans. It's about policy, not personality.

Yes Americans are not happy with inflation and gas prices but here is the one question none of them want to be asked or answer. "What you done to change any of it?"

Inflation is down and so are gas prices.

Whatcha gonna do now, Trolly?

R119 is a gullible moron if he thinks Trump is ahead and his lead growing. Utterly delusional. Because no.

Is R136 feigning stupidity, or is he really just that stupid?

R137/R138, I love you, especially for being a calming, no bullshit infuence on this thread.

And by the way, as I also said upthread (and as R137 reiterated), regarding Biden's win in 2020: to quote even Turtle McConnell: "It wasn't even particularly close."

Jack Smith is going to make sure Trump will be out of the picture.

We have always had "concern trolls" surrounding elections. These aren't posters just expressing basic concern; it's totally normal to be anxious about the outcome of an election. It crosses into troll territory when it is repeated and sustained over multiple posts, while steadfastly ignoring or dismissing any points made to counter the "concern." You see this in this thread with people saying Biden is weak and he could never defeat the incredible Trump, when in fact Biden already beat Trump once and quite handily, while Trump hasn't exactly been on an upswing since then., and race after race has tilted to the Democrats post-Roe.

Basically, a concern troll is a "sky is falling" hysteric who won't listen to reason or even consider that what they predict (a massive defeat that can't be prevented even 14 months in advance, aka "this thread") might not actually happen. These trolls come in two types: true believers in the form of democratic voters who are convinced their fears are accurate, and actual trolls playing the part for kicks. This second type is usually conservative and right-wing, and might not even hide that, so they're less "concerned" and more "giddy and arrogant" about their POV, even if they don't necessarily believe it as strongly as the true believers.

Adios America!

[quote]Basically, a concern troll is a "sky is falling" hysteric who won't listen to reason

Yes, but to me that spells foreign or right winger. Someone who is actually concerned is looking to relieve their fears. It's obvious most of these trolls do exactly what you said, ignoring or dismissing any points made to counter the "concern." The professional ones from Russia or China are here to plant seeds. Seeds of concern, fear, and doubt. Their goal really is to fuck up the country. If they just convince 1% to believe them an sit out a vote, that's close enough to throw an election. The other type, MAGA types are here mainly to be a-holes. They get pleasure by string the pot and pissing in the punch. That' how they get off.

R147

Everyone who does not agree with you is a right wing troll or from China or Russia? And of course if someone has concerns, fears, or doubts (about the coming election) their goal is to fuck up the country?

This is the state of political discourse in the US today.

The last election where I had absolutely no fears, concerns, or doubts was H Clinton vs D Trump. I just knew she was going to win and by a lot.

R148, the only thing more ridiculous than thinking that everyone who does not agree with you is a right wing troll or from China or Russia is pretending that there are no trolls here, such as the "I am worried" troll.

For all the hand wringers.

I cannot fathom why anyone is "down" on Biden. He's been absolutely amazing.

R151, it's more of the same thing from disgruntled, stupid Americans who think any and all candidates must be tailored to suit the whims of said voter.

Agree 100%, R151.

R149

Only in a delusional world would anyone think DL important enough for Russia and China to spend significant resources trying to influence the US election here..

There was no meeting in China one Russia where they thought , if only we can get those liberal homosexuals at DL , to not vote by expressing concern about the Dem ticket and Biden’s age and apparent popularity

I’d say people are not that stupid but post after post proves me wrong.

R154, trolls can come from inside the house, so to speak, not Russia or China.

R154

So a troll is anyone that disagrees with you so to speak. We have developed a weak group of over sensitive for to easily triggered types in the US . Those who see any debate and anyone that does not agree with them to be the enemy. So to speak.

Maybe it’s an age thing , a younger age thing, this far to sensitive far to quick to be triggered movement that seems to be sweeping the country,.

And in this the right and left have a lot in common.

[quote] We have developed a weak group of over sensitive for to easily triggered types in the US . Those who see any debate and anyone that does not agree with them to be the enemy.

Boy, R156, you sure write like a non-native speaker.

[quote] Maybe it’s an age thing , a younger age thing, this far to sensitive far to quick to be triggered movement that seems to be sweeping the country,.

Sure, Boris R156. You're proving the point of all those who say Russian bots are tolling DL. You have a shitty lack of English writing skills.

I would take that as a complement but it was a good old USA education. Sorry you can’t understand my posts.

And if I can’t speak English than I would be a mute.

[quote] I would take that as a complement

Oh, dear, Boris R159.

And you're using "to" when you mean "too." So much for your "good old USA education."

A troll is anyone actively supporting an impeached, indicted, pathologically lying narcissistic sociopath, proven conman & fraud, fascist authoritarian, bullying sexual predator and rapist, and traitor to this nation, never mind his bumbling incompetence and inability to string together a complete sentence ... over a good, kindly, highly qualified, highly experienced, highly accomplished man who is doing amazing work.

If you're against Biden or for Trump, you are a troll, and a complete failure as a human being.

Any doubt I might have felt that Russian troll farms were targeting DL (among other websites) was dispelled at the beginning of the Ukraine invasion, when various posters revealed themselves quite clearly (and hilariously). Not all hand-wringers are foreign trolls, but yes, foreign trolls come here and to other sites. The beets are real.

R161

No, at DL you are also a troll if you are concerned that the Dems might blow this election. Being concerned about that makes you a Russian operative :-)

The utter stupidity of some.

Vivian Vance will be re-animated to once more say:

"Champagne for Everyone!"

[quote] the Dems might blow this election.

While you congratulate yourself for thinking you're so much smarter than others here, R163, I would suggest that of course trolls of all kinds congregate on DL, so it's disingenuous to say otherwise. I have concerns as well about the upcoming election, but it's about a third of the idiot/fascist-admiring voting populace, for whom there is no convincing or proving success in any areas. The Dems blowing the election, as you say, has more to do with the freaks who live in this country.

Democrats (the politicians) won't blow this election.

But the voters certainly can.