Is it just my region or is reckless and aggressive driving completely out of control? Our public education system woefully underprepares youth for adult life. Families aren't doing it anymore - there's even a phenomenon of young people taking "adulting" classes because their parents haven't ever taught them how to fix anything, how banking works, how to do laundry, etc. I'm actually mad that I didn't get drivers ed because my parents were totally uninterested in interacting with me or teaching me anything. People shouldn't be learning everything relevant about being a functional adult from youtube but I think that's where a lot of young people are. If it were up to me - I would make it three years, a year of learning just about traffic laws, safety (drill the fear in hard), maintenance, insurance and financing tracking onto prep for a permit test and then another year of continuous evaluation of the students driving skill and temperament behind the wheel. The school could act as an early red flag on students who are obviously going to be unsafe or aggressive drivers.
Drivers ed should be a multi-year mandatory part of public education
|by Anonymous||reply 44||October 11, 2023 11:18 PM|
asian women and cyclists, op.
|by Anonymous||reply 1||September 17, 2023 9:57 PM|
I agree, Drivers Ed is so important that a kid learn to drive carefully but it was cut. When I went to school we learned all sorts of basic everyday stuff like Home Ecc which was more than making brownies, they taught us how to budget and balance a checkbook. Shop was important so kids could get familiar with different tools and how they worked
Everyday stuff you need for everyday living all cut. It's stupid 😠
|by Anonymous||reply 2||September 17, 2023 9:57 PM|
Drivers Ed was a thing when I went to HS in VA circa 1980. Usually taught by gym coaches as an elective when you turned 15-16. From what I've heard it's not offered anymore in a lot of areas. Also had consumer math teaching about household budgets and balancing checkbooks (outdated now but it helped) as well as home ec.
|by Anonymous||reply 3||September 17, 2023 10:00 PM|
R2 and families are less engaged with their kids than ever - overworked and zonked out on pills or drunk, among my own generation of older millenials a lot of us are lacking in skills that would have been taught to most gen xers by their parents for sure if not at school. It seems to be about a thousand times worse with zoomers - I read on reddit all the time from college administrators and educators, these incoming freshmen have less life skills than you'd expect of a very young latchkey kid. Parents are calling and asking who's going to do their laundry or help them make basic dishes like eggs and toast.
|by Anonymous||reply 4||September 17, 2023 10:02 PM|
Here's an example of what i was talking about - sad example of American decline
|by Anonymous||reply 5||September 17, 2023 10:04 PM|
R4 gets his "facts" from reddit but rants against "kids today"
|by Anonymous||reply 6||September 17, 2023 10:06 PM|
R5 gets his "facts" from Parade and probably voted for Trump....but thinks young people are the problem
|by Anonymous||reply 7||September 17, 2023 10:08 PM|
R7 I'm a millenial who voted for Bernie Sanders, considering myself well to the left of him. Idiot, I'm not blaming kids I feel sorry for them and my OWN generation for the parenting and education culture we came up in.
|by Anonymous||reply 8||September 17, 2023 10:11 PM|
R7 I even specifically blame the right wing for all of this
|by Anonymous||reply 9||September 17, 2023 10:12 PM|
I think it’s due to cell phones as much as anything. And while that skews younger, it’s by no means just the Millennials.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||September 17, 2023 10:19 PM|
Drivers Ed is offered in many suburban schools for a half or full school year. The problem is that there is rarely any actual driving because of the insurance liabilities. Mostly classroom instruction. Rich kids have their parents pay for private lessons with professionals. It leads to a much safer driver.
Not sure what many years of drivers ed would accomplish. Five lessons with a qualified and competent driving teacher paired with a few months of classroom learning is all anyone needs.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||September 17, 2023 10:50 PM|
R3 same here. L.A. County, late 70s. My varsity tennis coach taught driver’s ed., & the baseball coach taught Consumer Econ. Both were required classes.
|by Anonymous||reply 12||September 17, 2023 10:58 PM|
R11 what you describe was Driver’s Training, which come separately, and after, Driver’s Ed. In my 70s h.s., the training class was offered strictly by birthdate—there was a backlog, so I would have had to wait until I was almost 17. My parents shelled out $85 to California Driving School for the 6 hrs. needed to take my actual test on my actual 16th birthday. That was a great day!
|by Anonymous||reply 13||September 17, 2023 11:02 PM|
Well, Republicans want to defund public schools so that the government can pay rich kids to go to private school and buy kayaks for homeschooled religious nuts....who is going to pay for this?
|by Anonymous||reply 14||September 17, 2023 11:05 PM|
I don't know if it should be a mandatory part of public education – not all people want or need to learn how to drive, e.g. New Yorkers or people in general who always travel via public transport or bike – but the US should *definitely* take some cues from how European countries handle driver's ed. None of this weeklong "training" bullshit followed by an easy quiz & driving test: in, say, Germany, you're not permitted to drive until you ACTUALLY know how to drive properly, and IIRC it takes 9-12 months to complete all of its mandates.
|by Anonymous||reply 15||September 17, 2023 11:10 PM|
Well 160 km per hour on the Autobahn is a different order of magnitude than the 405 through the Sepulveda Pass.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||September 17, 2023 11:12 PM|
It may be good for everyone to learn to drive in case they experience an emergency and need to get behind the wheel. It would be like learning CPR.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||September 17, 2023 11:14 PM|
R16, I've driven extensively on both the autobahn and in L.A., and I feel VASTLY safer in Germany! Yes, you're correct that autobahn driving doesn't directly correlate to American interstate driving, but most European driver's ed programs are far closer to Germany's than ours – and that's a *good* thing. (Also, I think Germany may have separate licensing for "normal" driving and autobahn-specific driving, but I'm not certain.)
|by Anonymous||reply 18||September 17, 2023 11:22 PM|
Much more important than fucking P.E.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||September 17, 2023 11:42 PM|
I am shock to see all the drivers out there that dont know the left lane is for passing and faster traffic.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||September 17, 2023 11:49 PM|
I went to catholic school. We had no drivers Ed and my parents wouldn’t allow me to learn how to drive in their cars. Nor would they pay for driving lessons. They just said, “Find someone with a car to teach you.” Except my school was so far away from the town I lived in that I didn’t live near anyone else.
I learned to drive when I was 50. Don’t know the first thing about cars. Don’t know a carburetor from cruise control. Don’t care.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||September 17, 2023 11:49 PM|
Had drivers ED in high school at age 16. Got my license at 16 and am 54 and live in LA and have never been in an accident.
|by Anonymous||reply 22||September 18, 2023 12:04 AM|
AND I learned to drive in a stick shift. If you never want to worry about your car being stolen, drive a stick. No one knows how to drive them anymore.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||September 18, 2023 12:05 AM|
When I was in high-school it sort of was. There was a driving ed class, I don't remember if we were graded on it but it's how I got mine
|by Anonymous||reply 24||September 18, 2023 12:48 AM|
I have started to relentlessly hyperfocus on other drivers who don't use their turn signals. I feel like it's getting worse and worse. I wonder if it's because they're using one hand to play with their phone and couldn't be bothered to reach up and turn on the signal. Or they just have that "freedumb" mentality where it's nobody's business whether they are making a turn or going straight.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||September 18, 2023 2:34 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 26||September 18, 2023 2:49 PM|
R25 there's actually a video going around lately of a hot college bimbo saying it gives her the "ick" when guys use turn signals and that like she thinks like it's like uhhhh really feminine or something like idk like they it just turns me off haha you know
I noticed on tinder myself a few years ago that a lot of the hot young girls are saying stuff like take me to car shows, i like when you drive fast, etc. I think that tiktok and social media is pushing reckless driving in and of itself as fashionable to the point that it could even be considered nerdy to use your turn signal at all.
|by Anonymous||reply 27||September 18, 2023 3:07 PM|
People are fucking idiots now trying to get on SM. A cyclist was mowed down by two teens recording their hit and run and laughing about it. Someone died and they think it's all shits and giggles for social media fame.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||September 18, 2023 7:28 PM|
My mom taught me the mere basics of driving a car in the sleepy public park in my hometown. I can't remember if driver's ed was mandatory at my high school (this was the 70s), but I took it to learn the things my mom didn't teach me (parallel parking, how to change a tire, etc.). The teacher's name was Mr. Kornbau, and I think he taught PE or shop (or both) otherwise. I'm still driving and have yet to have an accident (knock wood...) and I've driven on Chicago's Dan Ryan Expressway, CA's Pacific Coast Highway, German autobahns, circled the Arc d' Triomphe in Paris, and on the "other" side of the road in Australia and Ireland. Thanks, Mr. Kornbau!
|by Anonymous||reply 29||September 18, 2023 7:42 PM|
My driver's ed teacher gave us a little routine to repeat in our heads when parallel parking. To this day I repeat it to myself every time I parallel park. I ace it first time every time. Thank you Maine South Drivers Ed 👍
|by Anonymous||reply 30||September 18, 2023 7:57 PM|
Well— what the fuck was it LL Bean?
|by Anonymous||reply 31||September 18, 2023 9:38 PM|
There ought to be a basic life skills curriculum, or at least as an after school club. Instead of throwing so much money and emphasis on sports, how about teach kids about basic health/fitness/nutrition, investing, drivers ed, cooking and food prep, etc.
In middle school social studies we had one teacher explain the basics of investing in the stock market. We were all assigned a random stock to watch and it all made sense. It literally took him 20 minutes tops to explain how the stock market operates, and took us maybe a minute a day/week to check our stocks?
|by Anonymous||reply 32||September 18, 2023 9:49 PM|
I’ve never parallel parked and I never will.
|by Anonymous||reply 33||September 20, 2023 8:38 PM|
R33 never makes left turns either.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||September 21, 2023 1:01 PM|
How about schools just concentrating on the core subjects? Subjects such as nutrition are taught in mandatory health classes. Leave the driver's ed to an auxiliary offering after school or better yet, leave it to the family. Maybe if there were fewer responsibilities undertaken by schools which should be done by parents, there wouldn't be as much parental interference by incensed Karens. It's been my experience that it's the mothers who do almost all of the interfering and fathers don't complain unless it's about sports. How about they use that interfering time to teach their kids about finances and cooking?
|by Anonymous||reply 35||September 21, 2023 1:29 PM|
I live in civilization R34, where we have left lane turning lights.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||September 21, 2023 4:43 PM|
Is "Red Asphalt" still shown in Drivers' Ed classes? (When I took DE at my school in the early 1980s, we were shown "Red Asphalt II", which prompted several jokes about highly anticipated/blockbuster sequels) For those unfamiliar, it was grisly, graphic "Scared Straight" for teenage drivers about the perils of speeding, drunk driving, not wearing a seatbelt, etc. I think it also discouraged riding motorcycles.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||September 21, 2023 4:55 PM|
It won't make any difference if people are still obsessed with using their phones at all times.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||September 21, 2023 5:49 PM|
The phone is what we used to call the glass dick. in the good olde days.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||September 22, 2023 12:37 AM|
[quote] How about they use that interfering time to teach their kids about finances and cooking?
Sounds good but the Karens will find something not to like about this.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||October 11, 2023 1:45 PM|
Rip Van OP where you been?
|by Anonymous||reply 41||October 11, 2023 4:12 PM|
I am shocked at the # of drivers that don't think the speed limit applies to them and that they are also entitled to flash their headlights, honk their horn (following someone who "not going as fast as you want them to" is NOT an emergency) and flip off legal-speed drivers.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||October 11, 2023 5:43 PM|
Legal speed drivers "sauntering" in the passing lane? Women and old people; women and girls texting, old people just being old and afraid of the traffic in the right hand lane. They are worse than what you describe, R42.
|by Anonymous||reply 43||October 11, 2023 10:32 PM|
Let your chauffeur do the driving!
|by Anonymous||reply 44||October 11, 2023 11:18 PM|