Jimmy Fallon and the Tonight Show are TOXIC!

Kudos to the art director.

I bet this is just *another* takedown of a white successful man by the 'woke' feminists/liberals.

I always knew something was off about Jimmy. His eyes look upside down.

Oh its being spilled

“ Jimmy Fallon used to drink at a bar in the LES and a friend of mine once very politely told him he was a fan and Fallon just copied everything he said back to him in a mocking tone and when my friend told him to cut it out he had his personal security kick him out”

“ Years ago, I worked at the NBC store in 30 Rock. There was this one time when Jimmy Fallon walked into the store (prior to opening) and referred to the melting pot of a staff as "Monkeys in a Circus." So, this isn't shocking to me at all.”

There was this one time I waved at Jimmy on the street the he murdered my entire family.

Jimmy Fallon is still on television. Oh my stars!

- Samantha Stevens

From the paywalled article: "Rolling Stone contacted more than 50 Tonight Show employees, past and present, during the reporting for this story. After reaching out to representatives for Fallon and NBC, Rolling Stone reached out to an additional 30 current and former staffers. While many of them praised Fallon’s immense talent and comedic gifts, not a single one agreed to speak on the record or had positive things to say about working on The Tonight Show. Nor would any of the program’s nine showrunners since 2014 comment about the program’s namesake on the record – they wouldn’t even give statements of support, as is common in the entertainment industry. "

Nine showrunners in 9 years speaks volumes about Fallon. I’m surprised it took this long for the dirty laundry to be aired in the media.

Horrible person. It’s so easy to be kind and he always takes the low road, except when sucking up to famous people. He and Ellen should do a Thelma and Louise.

Honestly, I didn't know it was still on with him.

I've never seen him out in public when he wasn't drunk. Has quite the problem with cocaine as well, which accounts for the mood swings and nasty temper. I've been in a theatre bathroom when I've heard him snorting in the stall.

He hosted the Golden Globes one year, and right at the start the teleprompter broke down. He froze. He was completely unable to ad-lib anything for the minute it took them to load the back up prompter.

One of the former producers sounds like a DLer

[quote]One Black employee says Granet-Bederman kept asking them, “What is going on with your hair?” The employee also says they witnessed Granet-Bederman make comments about how much food people would eat, saying to staffers, “We’re just eating a lot today and not caring about what we look like?” Two employees say they were also mistreated by Sweiss who bullied, intimidated, and yelled at them.

I can't stand him. During SNL, he always had to break character to laugh and bring the attention to himself. Tracy Morgan called him out on it.

Next stop, rehab!

This story has been going around for years about Jimmy Fallon; why hasn't he been "Ellen-outed" yet.

I was listening to Howard Stern when I was in Myrtle Beach last March 2023 for work. Robin and Howard were talking about Jimmy Fallon& Jimmy Kimmel. Both Howard and Robin both said they don't know why Fallon still has a show& why he hasn't been "Ellen-outed" yet because his show is toxic and Fallon is worse. Howard mentioned the "9 showrunners in 9 years"; he knows some of those people, that shows a problem at the top. You hear" Cocaine snorting" sounds the whole time during the show. NBC must be paying people off!!

Lorne has to know about this shit. He simply ignores it. Like all the other cokeheads he's employed. Belushi, Kattan,....

Jimmy has no comment. He's having his 3rd liquid lunch of the day.

Shanty mick

Belushi, Murray, Chevy, Piscopo, Kattan...who am I missing?

Lots of comedians are mean drunks. They have to rein themselves in when they are just touring stand-ups, think Dave Atell or Jeff Ross, but when they reach the top, think Ellen, they get to act however they like.

For a boozehound, he looks pretty good. I thought years of it showed up around the eyes etc. What's his liquor of choice, anyone know? Also, coke too?! Physically he looks fine. I wonder how he manages that.

Is he still falling down drunk and picking up women in bars?

IT WAS A particularly tense day on the set of The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon. The host, known for his warm and congenial presence onscreen, was acting especially dismissive and irritable during production meetings, a former longtime employee tells Rolling Stone. Then he stumbled through rehearsal in front of a studio audience, who typically sit in on rehearsals for the late-night show. Employees who spoke to Rolling Stone about their experiences working on The Tonight Show say it’s common knowledge behind the scenes that there are “good Jimmy days” — where Fallon’s wit and charm and creativity are on full display — and “bad Jimmy days.” This was a “bad Jimmy day,” according to the employee.

They say Fallon seemed to be confused during rehearsal that day in 2017 when he crossed out jokes on the piece of paper he was holding, riffed with the audience for a bit, then quizzically looked back down at the same sheet of paper.

“He couldn’t remember he had just crossed it out himself,” the employee says. “I was like, ‘Oh, my God, he [seems] drunk. He doesn’t know what he’s doing. This could be awful — this could be the end of the show right here.’” Another staffer says they too witnessed the incident from a live studio feed inside their office.

According to two current and 14 former employees, The Tonight Show has been a toxic workplace for years — far outside the boundaries of what’s considered normal in the high-pressure world of late-night TV. They say the ugly environment behind the scenes starts at the top with Fallon’s erratic behavior, and has trickled down to its ever-changing leadership teams — nine showrunners in the past nine years — who seemingly don’t know how to say no to Jimmy. Former employees describe The Tonight Show as a tense and “pretty glum atmosphere,” with some alleging they were belittled and intimidated by their bosses, including Fallon himself. Employees describe being afraid of Fallon’s “outbursts” and unexpected, inconsistent behavior. Many of these staffers voiced their concerns through HR complaints, but problems at The Tonight Show persisted.

Seven former employees say their mental health was impacted by their alleged experiences working at The Tonight Show. These staffers say it was commonplace to hear people joking about “wanting to kill themselves,” and that they would refer to guests’ dressing rooms in the office as “crying rooms” because that’s where they would go to let out their emotions when they were upset with their alleged mistreatment.

The former staffers who spoke to Rolling Stone requested anonymity out of fear of retaliation. They worked in a range of positions on the show, from production crew members to office staffers and in the show’s writers’ room. Many of the former staffers say they left the show because of their mental health; some say they were fired from The Tonight Show. “It’s a bummer because it was my dream job,” one former employee says. “Writing for late night is a lot of people’s dream jobs, and they’re coming into this and it becomes a nightmare very quickly. It’s sad that it’s like that, especially knowing that it doesn’t have to be that way.”

Rolling Stone contacted more than 50 Tonight Show employees, past and present, during the reporting for this story. After reaching out to representatives for Fallon and NBC, Rolling Stone reached out to an additional 30 current and former staffers. While many of them praised Fallon’s immense talent and comedic gifts, not a single one agreed to speak on the record or had positive things to say about

IT WAS A particularly tense day on the set of The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon. The host, known for his warm and congenial presence onscreen, was acting especially dismissive and irritable during production meetings, a former longtime employee tells Rolling Stone. Then he stumbled through rehearsal in front of a studio audience, who typically sit in on rehearsals for the late-night show. Employees who spoke to Rolling Stone about their experiences working on The Tonight Show say it’s common knowledge behind the scenes that there are “good Jimmy days” — where Fallon’s wit and charm and creativity are on full display — and “bad Jimmy days.” This was a “bad Jimmy day,” according to the employee.

They say Fallon seemed to be confused during rehearsal that day in 2017 when he crossed out jokes on the piece of paper he was holding, riffed with the audience for a bit, then quizzically looked back down at the same sheet of paper.

“He couldn’t remember he had just crossed it out himself,” the employee says. “I was like, ‘Oh, my God, he [seems] drunk. He doesn’t know what he’s doing. This could be awful — this could be the end of the show right here.’” Another staffer says they too witnessed the incident from a live studio feed inside their office.

According to two current and 14 former employees, The Tonight Show has been a toxic workplace for years — far outside the boundaries of what’s considered normal in the high-pressure world of late-night TV. They say the ugly environment behind the scenes starts at the top with Fallon’s erratic behavior, and has trickled down to its ever-changing leadership teams — nine showrunners in the past nine years — who seemingly don’t know how to say no to Jimmy. Former employees describe The Tonight Show as a tense and “pretty glum atmosphere,” with some alleging they were belittled and intimidated by their bosses, including Fallon himself. Employees describe being afraid of Fallon’s “outbursts” and unexpected, inconsistent behavior. Many of these staffers voiced their concerns through HR complaints, but problems at The Tonight Show persisted.

Seven former employees say their mental health was impacted by their alleged experiences working at The Tonight Show. These staffers say it was commonplace to hear people joking about “wanting to kill themselves,” and that they would refer to guests’ dressing rooms in the office as “crying rooms” because that’s where they would go to let out their emotions when they were upset with their alleged mistreatment.

The former staffers who spoke to Rolling Stone requested anonymity out of fear of retaliation. They worked in a range of positions on the show, from production crew members to office staffers and in the show’s writers’ room. Many of the former staffers say they left the show because of their mental health; some say they were fired from The Tonight Show. “It’s a bummer because it was my dream job,” one former employee says. “Writing for late night is a lot of people’s dream jobs, and they’re coming into this and it becomes a nightmare very quickly. It’s sad that it’s like that, especially knowing that it doesn’t have to be that way.”

Rolling Stone contacted more than 50 Tonight Show employees, past and present, during the reporting for this story. After reaching out to representatives for Fallon and NBC, Rolling Stone reached out to an additional 30 current and former staffers. While many of them praised Fallon’s immense talent and comedic gifts, not a single one agreed to speak on the record or had positive things to say about

working on The Tonight Show. Nor would any of the program’s nine showrunners since 2014 comment about the program’s namesake on the record – they wouldn’t even give statements of support, as is common in the entertainment industry.

Representatives for Fallon would not comment on the record for this story. In a statement, a spokesperson for NBC defended the program — but, notably, did not mention Fallon himself. “We are incredibly proud of The Tonight Show, and providing a respectful working environment is a top priority,” the spokesperson said. “As in any workplace, we have had employees raise issues; those have been investigated and action has been taken where appropriate. As is always the case, we encourage employees who feel they have experienced or observed behavior inconsistent with our policies to report their concerns so that we may address them accordingly.”

AFTER WINNING OVER viewers on Saturday Night Live, Fallon cemented his reputation as one of television’s most beloved entertainers when he started hosting NBC’s Late Night With Jimmy Fallon in 2009. Fallon’s goofy, affable, musically gifted, and middle-of-the-road approach to audiences and comedy made him easily likable and appealing to the masses. For those watching at home, Fallon didn’t seem to take himself too seriously; his charisma and talent onscreen brought people joy and made them laugh. It led to an abundance of excitement when it was announced he would take over as host of The Tonight Show from Jay Leno in 2014.

The Tonight Show With Jimmy Fallon debuted to a staggering 11.3 million viewers. For the duration of its premiere season, the show competed against other late-night shows, averaging between 3 million and 4 million episodic viewers. The show has had no shortage of successes and viral moments. “Slow Jam the News” is a popular segment in which political and media figures like President Obama and Brian Williams join Fallon in breaking down current events while the Roots improvise slow jams, R&B music, and ad-libs. Then there’s “Wheel of Musical Impressions” where Fallon provides singers with prompts and asks them to do their best imitation of other musical artists, including Ariana Grande impersonating Celine Dion singing the Weeknd’s “Can’t Feel My Face.” The video of Grande and Fallon’s impressions has been viewed 169 million times on YouTube.

But behind the scenes, there was a surprising, dramatic, and ugly shift in the working environment, according to three employees who originally worked for Late Night With Jimmy Fallon and then followed the team to The Tonight Show. Of course, there was added pressure when the program transitioned — The Tonight Show is one of television’s most storied franchises. These employees also say they felt a change because Michael Shoemaker, who was at the helm of Late Night during Fallon’s run, didn’t move over to The Tonight Show and stuck around to produce Late Night With Seth Meyers.

“The producers felt this pressure, and that translated down to all of their employees. People that worked under them then felt this pressure that if you made one mistake, you were gone and would be easily replaced,” one former employee says. “You have all these NBC pages in the building who are ready, willing, and waiting to take your job.”

Of course, every major television show has its share of pressure and chaos and turnover; daily programs, even more so. But what happened at The Tonight Show was highly unusual in late-night television, employees say. The program has had six different groups of leadership teams in its nine years on TV. In 2014, Josh Lieb started off as showrunner. Mike DiCenzo, Katie Hockmeyer, and Gerard Bradford took over as a trio in 2016. Then Jim Bell had a short stint from 2018 until 2019, followed by Late Night With

Jimmy Fallon and Tonight Show veteran Gavin Purcell from 2019 to 2020. Jamie Granet-Bederman and Nedaa Sweiss replaced Purcell in 2020 as co-showrunners until Chris Miller landed the job in March 2022.

“I just don’t think they’ve landed on a leader who can keep it together,” one former staffer says.

And that’s created a chaotic atmosphere among staffers, many of whom have lost faith in senior leadership.

“Nobody told Jimmy, ‘No.’ Everybody walked on eggshells, especially showrunners,” another former employee says. “You never knew which Jimmy we were going to get and when he was going to throw a hissy fit. Look how many showrunners went so quickly. We know they didn’t last long.”

With an ever-changing cast at the top, employees say they had nightmares related to work and were in a constant state of fear. One former employee says they had their first anxiety attack while working at the show and were put on anti-anxiety medication for the first time. Another employee says they felt physical ramifications of their declining mental health, like their hair thinning and weakened nail beds. Four other employees say they are in therapy because of their experiences. Three people say they experienced suicidal ideation as a result of the working environment.

“Mentally, I was in the lowest place of my life. I didn’t want to live anymore. I thought about taking my own life all the time,” one former employee says. “I knew deep down I would never actually do it, but in my head, I’m like, ‘Why do I think about this all the time?’”

One employee says they lost nearly 20 pounds during their time working under showrunner Granet-Bederman, felt like they were on edge all of the time, and cried themselves to sleep every night.

“I know other people who were in [my] department who also were unhappy with [mis]treatment but it was never a thing where any of us were empowered enough to say anything,” this employee says. “It just always felt like, ‘You should be grateful that you have a job, and you should be grateful that you have this position at this show, at this network. Everyone wants to be in this spot. You have worked hard to get here — it shouldn’t be a thing where you’re being ungrateful.’”

ACCORDING TO MOST employees who spoke to Rolling Stone, it’s common knowledge behind the scenes that Fallon’s temperament, mood, and treatment of staffers is erratic. These employees say they’ve witnessed Fallon snap at crew members, express irritation over the smallest of things, and berate and belittle staffers out of frustration. Three former employees say that he berated them in front of other colleagues and crew members.

“It was like, if Jimmy is in a bad mood, everyone’s day is fucked,” one former employee says. “People wouldn’t joke around in the office, and they wouldn’t stand around and talk to each other. It was very much like, focus on whatever it is that you have to do because Jimmy’s in a bad mood, and if he sees that, he might fly off.”

“We’re up against it” was a commonly-used phrase around the office among employees, they say, to warn each other if Fallon was “not having a good day” and therefore, everyone else was in for a rough one as well.

Over the years, there have been rumors and gossip items about Fallon’s relationship with alcohol. In 2016, the New York Post ran a story alleging that NBC executives were concerned about Fallon’s drinking. Fallon denied this in a New York Times profile published in 2017, saying, “I could never do a day-to-day job if I was drinking every night. That’s just kicking you when you’re down.”

But two employees say they saw Fallon seemingly inebriated at work in 2017. Another two employees say on separate occasions in 2019 and 2020 they thought they smelled alcohol on Fallon’s breath when they entered an elevator with him during the workday. According to eight former employees, Fallon’s behavior seemed to be dependent on if he appeared to be hungover from the night before.

“When something was wrong, we all knew how to behave afterward, which was just sort of avoid eye contact and don’t make another mistake,” one former staffer says. “It would happen over the smallest thing… We would have to shut the whole thing down, the sketch isn’t happening, and when things like that would happen, you would just beat yourself up.” The erratic nature of the talk-show host’s behavior led to widespread fear around those who interacted with him, employees say. “Sometimes we would get nice Jimmy, but that sometimes was not a lot,” one former employee says. “It was just really, really sad to me that this really talented man created such a horrible environment for the people there.”

One employee says depending on Fallon’s mood, they felt like his notes and feedback could be passive-aggressive — personal insults as opposed to constructive criticism. They say he would write comments like, “Are you OK? Seriously, do you need help?” Rolling Stone reviewed photos of the employees’ alleged notes from Fallon that read, “Ugh, lame. What is going on with you? You’ve outdone yourself.” The same employee says Fallon would also send combative emails, one of which was reviewed by Rolling Stone, to certain staffers if he was dissatisfied with their work.

Two employees remember witnessing Fallon scold the crew member who was in charge of his cue cards in the middle of a taping with comedian Jerry Seinfeld. They say it was an uncomfortable moment. Seinfeld told Fallon to apologize to the cue-card production member, which he then allegedly did. The employees say this incident, which felt awkward to watch, did not make it to the version of the show that appeared on television.

“It was very awkward, and Jerry [Seinfeld] was like, ‘You should apologize to him,’ almost trying to make it a joke,” a former employee says. “It was one of the strangest moments ever and so many people were there, so it’s kind of hard to forget.”

Representatives for Seinfeld did not respond to multiple requests for comment. Following the publication of the story, however, Seinfeld sent a statement to Rolling Stone: “This is so stupid. I remember this moment quite well… I teased Jimmy about a flub, and we all had a fun laugh about how rarely Jimmy is thrown off. It was not uncomfortable at all. Jimmy and I still occasionally recall it and laugh. Idiotic twisting of events.”

IN THE SUMMER of 2020, a video of Fallon in blackface during an SNL skit resurfaced online. This came at a heightened time of racial and social awareness because of the George Floyd murder and subsequent Black Lives Matter protests across the country. The talk-show host tweeted an apology for the video, saying, “In 2000, while on SNL, I made a terrible decision to do an impersonation of Chris Rock while in blackface. There is no excuse for this. I am very sorry for making this unquestionably offensive

decision and thank all of you for holding me accountable.” He also spoke to The New York Times about the incident. While Fallon publicly addressed the video, employees say there was an internal uproar because staff members weren’t happy the talk-show host didn’t directly acknowledge the incident with them.

“It was the first time I had seen the video even though I was told, ‘Oh, this resurfaced again,’” one former employee says. “So I’m sure for many other people on staff, especially younger folks, it was probably the first time they were seeing it, too.”

The same former employee says when the clip started going viral online, senior leadership initially wanted to “sweep it under the rug.”

“I asked, ‘Are we going to use this as an educational moment? Are we going to be a pillar of change and be the role model as an example for the future?’”

Purcell, the showrunner at the time, did implement regular internal diversity and culture meetings afterward, and to this day, The Tonight Show has a diversity and inclusion council. Some employees say they were hopeful that he wanted to make lasting changes at the show. But they were let down a few months later when Granet-Bederman took over. She began bullying and mistreating staff, five employees say.

One Black employee says Granet-Bederman kept asking them, “What is going on with your hair?” The employee also says they witnessed Granet-Bederman make comments about how much food people would eat, saying to staffers, “We’re just eating a lot today and not caring about what we look like?” Two employees say they were also mistreated by Sweiss who bullied, intimidated, and yelled at them.

Granet-Bederman and Sweiss did not respond to multiple requests for comment. Sweiss left The Tonight Show in 2021 when she signed an overall deal with Universal Television, and Granet-Bederman left the show in March 2022 when Miller took over the program.

“They are the worst bosses I’ve ever had in my life. They use that position of power to bully and treat the staff that way, and the network is aware of how they treat people,” one former employee says. “They not only continue to enable it, but they reward it.”

Five employees say they spoke to HR about their experiences behind the scenes of The Tonight Show in their exit interviews when they voluntarily left the show as well as during their time of employment. One longtime employee says they never reported their issues to HR because early on in their tenure at the show, they saw colleagues of theirs attempt to speak to human resources representatives and subsequently get fired from the show.

“They don’t protect us,” the former staffer says. “They don’t do anything for us.”

Another former staffer says they reached out to HR to express concerns they had about working under Granet-Bederman. After requesting a formal meeting with HR over email, they say Granet-Bederman put them on a performance-improvement plan — a step before disciplinary action, including termination. They say they were surprised to learn Granet-Bederman wasn’t happy with their performance up until that point. The employee says they heard from HR afterward, and then in a subsequent meeting with HR reps for NBC, they shared their issues and concerns, including that they were experiencing suicidal ideation. They say they later saw an email exchange between HR and Granet-

Bederman, which was reviewed by Rolling Stone, in which the HR rep denigrated the employee to Granet-Bederman.

“That was super frustrating to me and kind of devastating because it felt as if I finally had someone on my side, and I quickly learned that that was not the case,” they say. “Everything that I relayed to HR was then relayed to my manager, so it was not a safe space. It felt as if they were acting in the interest of one person instead of the interests of the greater whole.”

The employee found another job, and when they had their exit interview, they said they didn’t feel comfortable being honest about their experience; Granet-Bederman showed up to the final meeting with HR, which doesn’t usually happen during an employee’s exit interview with human resources.

“It felt as if it was an intimidation tactic,” they said. “And I did not feel as if I could voice my experience about my time on the show because everything would just go back to Jamie [Granet-Bederman].”

For a third former employee, it was upsetting and confusing to get fired without receiving any reason, especially since they were a longtime employee who had come over to The Tonight Show after spending years working for Late Night With Jimmy Fallon. The employee says they were never given any warnings or negative feedback about their work, and were blindsided by the firing.

“I ended up talking to the HR person later on the phone, and she was like, ‘Yeah, I’ve never seen anything like this.’ She was like, ‘I don’t know why you’re being let go. You didn’t do anything wrong.… I’ve never seen somebody get fired for no reason,’” the former staffer says.

THE TONIGHT SHOW went dark in early May when the writers’ strike began. (The show, which employs members of the Writers Guild of America, would have otherwise gone on summer hiatus later that month.) After NBC and Fallon himself reportedly paid staffers’ salaries for three weeks in the midst of the strike, employees were then put on an unpaid leave of absence. Last week, Fallon and other late night television hosts Stephen Colbert, Jimmy Kimmel, Seth Meyers, and John Oliver launched a collaborative limited podcast series called Strike Force Five while the writers’ strike continues. Proceeds from the podcast will go toward the hosts’ staff members while they’re out of work due to the strike. While the Hollywood studios have recently met with the WGA negotiating committee and opened up talks again, it’s unclear how much longer the strike will continue. This leaves The Tonight Show and other late-night programs in limbo while they wait for both sides to reach a deal.

In 2021,The Tonight Show, which is produced by Universal Television, Broadway Video, and Fallon’s production company Electric Hot Dog, was renewed by NBC until 2026. Even though there’s been a shift in leadership in the past year with Miller taking over in 2022, staffers say the show’s track record of a revolving door of showrunners as well as Fallon’s alleged behavior leave them pessimistic about what the future of The Tonight Show will look like. Employees say they want to see long-term changes in the work environment at The Tonight Show. They also say they want Fallon and NBC, who are well aware of The Tonight Show’s past issues, to be held accountable and take employees’ concerns seriously to change the environment for the better.

“I love The Tonight Show, and I love comedy. I gave my heart and soul to that place. I want to see them succeed and do well, but for that to happen, there are major changes that need to take place, starting with Jimmy,” a former employee says. “They all need to dig their heads out of the sand and do something about the very obvious problems that we all know are happening.”

I bet working for Letterman and Carson wasn’t easy either. Do you think the younger work force is more sensitive or quicker to complain?

I never liked Fallon; there was always something so fake and smarmy about him. The final nail in the coffin for me was when he started in on Steve Kornacki during that whole "Big Board Daddy" big PR push they did with him during the 2020 election. Fallon had Kornacki on multiple times, including a "prank" he had his staffers pull cleaning Kornacki's 30 Rock office. Kornacki is a little on the spectrum and causing a big change like that is not a good thing for someone of that nature. There was always a feeling of bullying, like a junior high schooler picking on the smart kid, pretending to be his friend, but making fun of him behind his back.

[quote]I bet working for Letterman and Carson wasn’t easy either.

Neither of them were sniveling little drunkards with arrested development and a coke problem.

With the rumors of his drinking that have swirled for years, none of this is all that surprising. NBC has so much invested in Fallon it will never get rid of him, no matter how much of a drunk asshole he is.

Time to end this show anyway. Late night shows on network are stale and hardly get viewers

My boss is a closed drunk who likes to be roughed up during sex too. It's never easy for the staff with someone like this.

Copied directly from Page Six, R25 & 26.

I don't know why this article is triggering a paywall for some of you. I don't have an RS subscription but did not have a paywall when I read it.

If you have clicked on a rolling stone article once with the past month, it won’t let you see a new one.

His boozing has been discussed on Datalounge for a long time.

And his coke use. He's such a mess. What's his problem? Closet case is my best guess. Wanted to be a priest....

Fallon - like his buddy Timberlake- are true phonies. They have no real concern for anyone but themselves. I have never understood the reason why the public believes their low grade frat boy humor is interesting, or that they are talented, especially Fallon who has made a career out of imitation, and nothing real or original. He should never have been made host of The Tonight Show, He is no Carson or Jack Paar. His only attraction rest with the those who's idea of laughing also includes fart jokes, and making fun of midgets,

r34 Johnny Carson was a miserable alcoholic with a mean streak.

You’d think a sub-talent nobody who lucked into an insane gig would do better, but that’s just me.

[quote] What's his problem?

Kinda shocking that NBC isn’t defending Fallon.

Makes me wonder what’s coming next.

Rehab, r47. It’s well known that Fallon is a big-time drinker. He almost got his finger amputated when he had an accident while extremely drunk.

Fallon's been a drunk for a long time. I know a few people who saw him shitfaced/coked up at various bars way back in his SNL days. They all said he was an asshole.

Who the fuck cares? I’m so sick of reading about people’s bad Shitty jobs that they whine about. You say you worked in showbiz and were treated like shit? Hahahahahaha Who the fuck cares? This whole “I was going to commit suicide” and whining that it was their “dream job” need to grow up. Quit the bad job if you’re going to commit suicide. Grow the fuck up.

Eventually network TV as we know it will be a cross between the Mesothelioma channels and QVC with brief interludes of fresh programming in between.

The Tonight Show is probably not making them much money, so they'll be happy to replace it with a nighttime version of The View or Today or some shit like that.

I kind of agree with pyscho at R50. If a job is miserable you quit and move on. These people didn't seem to understand that just because it's fun doesn't mean there aren't high stakes involved. Television is competitive and there's a lot of money on the line. People act high strung and cranky in those circumstances.

Regular tv is garbage. I got rid of my tv in 2012

I’m not a psycho, r52. I’ve had to quit jobs because of bad treatment. I never thought anyone I worked with was there to comfort me or coddle me. It’s unrealistic to think employers will do that. All we learn from this article is that Fallon is a creep. That was the only reason for the story.

"Do you think the younger work force is more sensitive or quicker to complain?"

No, I think the writers and production people are delicate little hot house flowers who don't take criticism well, so I'm in agreement with R50.

Take that Rolling Stone article and substitute Ellen DeGeneres for Jimmie Fallon and you have the exact same hatchet piece that was done on Ellen.

Carrying a network TV show 4/5 times a week with your name on it is a lot of responsibility. No one is "on" 100% of the time, so why these little snowflakes expect Fallon, or Ellen or Dave or Johnny to be on perfect behavior 100% of the time when no one else in the world acts that way is completely unrealistic.

It sounds like Ellen and Jimmy went far beyond not being "on" all the time. You don't hear these stories about Leno or Letterman or Colbert or Kimmel.

Again, I think you can just quit but also, some people really are huge assholes despite their nice reps. All in all, no sympathy for the employees nor the stars getting called out for their behavior.

ALL JOBS HAVE ASSHOLES AT THEM.

I can't stop watching him because I've never watched him. Too cutesy and needy.

I'm not surprised but I don't think any of these talk show hosts, including Conan and Colbert, are nice guys or maintain fun workplaces. Maybe they were once.

Starting with a 2017 anecdote is lame. Almost no one had specific, detailed stories, which this piece needs to have authority.

Right, R57 et al., and why not call them to account if you can? Public shaming is what people like Ellen and Fallon deserve for being abusive asshole bosses/(once-)beloved public figures, and maybe they'll learn to behave better and create a decent working environment in the future.

I cannot stomach this smarmy idiot since that time when he had Trump on and normalized him by playing with his hair.

Why do employees continue to trust HR and think they’re going to act as advocates for them in these situations?

Everyone knows in NYC he's a cunt and a drunk

I believe he’s a toxic person with h severe alcohol and drug issues intruding on his work, but this article was more of an attention-seeking J’ACCUSE than legitimate exposé.

[quote] I’m so sick of reading about people’s bad Shitty jobs that they whine about.

To be fair, these people were contacted by Rolling Stone, not the other way around. If someone reached out to me for comment on a story about one of my shitty bosses, I'd happily give them an earful too.

[quote]Makes me wonder what’s coming next.

I'm available.

[quote]Makes me wonder what’s coming next.

Hold my beer.

The staff is up-in-arms because they couldn’t expense the drugs. That, and Jimmy Fallon is an asshole.

I loathe Jimmy Fallon with the heat of 1000 suns but I also can’t stand these hit pieces either. You can’t get one person on record to talk? Not one? The writing is so sophomoric and sloppy like it was written by a nine year old. Why does Fallon or NBC need to address it if no one is willing to talk? And really you’re going to kill yourself because Jimmy Fallon was mean to you? Sounds like you got bigger fish to fry.

So quit.

Since when is it unusual to have asshole bosses?

Of course I didn’t read the article. All that counts nowadays are snap judgements.

How did he pull off filming all those shows at home with his wife and kids? I kind of figured his wife knows what he is and turns a blind eye. But when he was doing the home shows they were lovey dovey. If he is a drunk he must drink at home too, especially during COVID when bars were shut down.

All the dumb fucks saying "so quit". They did.

Times have changed, r50. Get mistreated at work is no longer part of the deal. It doesn't matter if the industry is high stakes. What industry isn't? The people who go out of their way to defend Jimmy Fallon and Ellen are telling on themselves.

The unfunniest pos of television. Jimmy, Ellen, and James should be banned from the tv.

[quote] The staff is up-in-arms because they couldn’t expense the drugs

Huh?

Celebrities like Madonna go on that halfwit’s show because he fangurls and laughs like an idiot at everything they say. He can’t act for shit. Such a phony baloney.

Is there a single show from the last 70 years that didn't have a star with "good days and bad days" ? I mean, this is just show business as usual.

Sounds like he’s almost as bad as Lizzo, the reigning champ of workplace toxicity.

The staffers need to go cry more to their mommies. Work or don’t work with Fallon. Who cares? I’ve found him amusing especially during SNL days. The sad staffers can jump off a cliff.

He was the only one I ever heard Olivia Newton John talk shit about. Well, since it was Olivia, it was more poo poo lite.

Why would ONJ know Fallon?

He overlaughs while interviewing it is embarrassing how kiss ass he is with guests.

This is what Rolling Stone is doing now for readers, attempting edgy “investigative” takedowns of chat shows like they’re a righteous army of Ronan Farrows?

Wasn’t their final dying breath recently when they named Beyoncé or someone like that at the greatest singer of the century or something? It’s clear their entire staff is comprised of unhinged, white girls, and radical black girls who see everything in the world through the prism of race. Honestly, I’m amazed they’re still publishing. I can’t imagine who reads them that much or buys their magazines.

"Fallon - like his buddy Timberlake- are true phonies. They have no real concern for anyone but themselves. I have never understood the reason why the public believes their low grade frat boy humor is interesting, or that they are talented..."

Say what you will about Timberlake, but he CAN act, unlike Fallon. He was excellent in THE SOCIAL NETWORK.

Poorly done article that didn't deliver the goods.

No one doubts that Fallon is an asshole and a drunk.

To know how toxic the workplace was, we need examples, not a list of symptoms people suffered.

[quote]One longtime employee says they never reported their issues to HR because early on in their tenure at the show, they saw colleagues of theirs attempt to speak to human resources representatives and subsequently get fired from the show. “They don’t protect us,” the former staffer says. “They don’t do anything for us.”

In other words, it was like every HR department in every corporation across America.

[quote] If a job is miserable you quit and move on.

It's not always so easy to quit and move on. Some of the staffers were probably working there before Fallon was. I.e., from the Jay Leno days.

r86 Keep in mind most posters saying that shit are likely shop bottoms and don't understand how people working in a competitive industry can't just quit.

Stories that use unattributed quotes are worthless. This seems like an NBC inspired hitpiece to get the ball rolling to fire Fallon thus saving the network loads of money during a strike.

People in high prestige/high pressure jobs have to perform or expect to be replaced. Wwaahhhhh somebody yelled at me...waahhhh I had mental health issues. Professional athletes face these pressures daily if they dont perform. Giancarlo Stanton and Josh Donaldson are ruthlessly roasted. Do they anonymously whine to the press?

Any shop bottom worth her weight in perfume samples could tell you that the best way to escape a toxic work environment is to hook yourself a wealthy man, and voilà, no more need for a job.

r88 Yes, of course they do. You're really going to try and pretend you've never read a story where an anonymous player bitches about a coach's decisions, etc?

Also, these are ex-employees, why should they not talk shit about asshole ex-bosses?

Fallon is miserable because he’s wildly successful but for the most part “real” comedians consider him a laughingstock and they’ve been mocking him for decades. It eats him alive that he’s seen by the guys he secretly looks up to as a corporate hack. I bet he has wild fits of envy over Conan O’Brien.

r90 If they are ex-employees why not let your quotes be attributed?

Jimmy Fallon is a laughing hyena with no talent. Anal warts are funnier.

I know a few people who are connected to Rolling Stone, and apparently these We Cancel You-style articles do so well online that there have been discussions around the idea of some kind of regular feature going back through the history of rock music to tell the "real" story of musicians they previously lionized. In other words, This Week We Cancel Jimmy Page! ... etc. In any case, I agree this article doesn't really deliver the goods other than to underline what's already widely known among insiders and industry watchers -- that Fallon is a drunk and an asshole.

Usually stories like this are the shot across the bow, and other media outlets will do their own and probably more damning stories.

I don't know why everyone is so upset about Rolling Stone publishing this. It's obviously an open secret in the industry and there are a lot of people who are unhappy about how he treats them and how the show is run. People complain when Rolling Stone do puff pieces then also complain when they dig into what a celebrity is really like when the camera is not on.

r96 Without named accusers making actual accusations its a meaningless article. Or even a hit piece.

I’ve had some horrible bosses over the years - it was shitty and then I moved onto other jobs. I can’t imagine speaking to Rolling Stone about any of them.

Fallon is clearly a drunk and an asshole but the hysteria of this article is too much. Ohhh he showed up drunk to work - the drama. It’s not like he’s a heart surgeon or a federal judge or a hospice nurse. He’s a late night television host. Who cares? I assume all of them are egocentric messes.

I don’t understand how these adults go into the television industry expecting it to be dandelions and roses. It’s a ruthless business run by jerks. Nice people in charge seem to be the exception, not the rule.

There is so much serious shit going on in the world - so many people suffering. Of all the things to give one fuck about - an assistant crying in a dressing room because Jimmy Fallon was “erratic” and “moody” is at the bottom of my list.

If that makes me a cunt, so be it.

When it's Meghan allegedly treating someone badly behind the scenes everyone laps it up but when it's men doing it it shouldn't be published or talked about because that's just how things work. Don't speak out if a workplace is causing you and others major suffering, just let HR treat you poorly and let them do the same to the next person.

[quote] [R90] If they are ex-employees why not let your quotes be attributed?

I'm guessing that ex-employees are still working in the same industry and don't want to appear as problem employees. If you were the new employer, you might be wary about someone who would go on the record, bitching about their employer, warranted or not.

Yeah its been told here for years that he is a mean drunk.

Jimmy says sowwwwwwy

And he’s a bigger pussy for apologizing.

[quote]He's a boorish asshole who treats waitstaff like shit. I've seen it with my own eyes.

[quote]Also? I've personally seen him day drinking at Molly's on 3rd Avenue in Gramercy Park. He sits in the back, pounds drinks, and treats everyone around him like serfs.

Wonder why he drinks in bars. Out in the open near other people.

R84, don't forget the weakened nail beds of Fallon's victims!

He makes me nervous so I don’t watch.

However, there is the old saying: it’s not show fun…it’s show business. Grow some thicker skin.

It sucks to have a shitty boss, yes. And no one deserves crummy treatment in the workplace. But I'd also wager that every source for that story knew Jimmy's rep well before they went to work on "The Tonight Show."

what r33 said.

I figured Fallon had an alcohol problem a long time ago when the NY Times published a personality profile of the woman who was then in charge of assigning tables at the Hamptons restaurant Nick & Toni's ( iirc, her name was Bonnie) and the story described her having to manage Fallon's dinner service around his "peripatetic hobnobbing", his tablehopping among with other famous people there.

While non-drunk people can engage in that, too, that read to me like it was a euphemistic way of saying he was a tipsy pest.

Whether you like his humor or not, you never hear negative shit about Conan O’Brien and he’s been on the air for 30 years. His staff follows him everywhere he goes. That speaks volumes about his character.

It is possible to host a comedy show without being an asshole to everyone. I don’t feel a bit sorry for people like Jimmy and Ellen.

R106 yeah, the part about the weakened nail beds was hysterical. Who thought that should be kept in the article ?

I put better-than-even odds that the network announces Jimmy "recognizes he has a problem" and will be seeking treatment in a rehab facility — all conveniently done during the writers' strike, so NBC doesn't lose any money.

What R110 said. You can tell how much Conan is widely respected by his staff, celebrities, and fellow comedians. I never cared for JF or Ellen. You could see the assholery in their eyes.

R105, he needs victims.

Puppets mock Conan

Something is definitely wrong here. Everyone in Hollywood indulges in a little nose candy, that's not shocking but Jimmy appears to have deeper issues. He's not using the drugs for a good time or he wouldn't be so moody and irritated so he's likely using the drugs for escapism because something is torturing his mind. My guess is he's done some things to get to the top that he's not exactly proud of and it weighs heavy on him.

My guess is he has imposter syndrome. He recognizes that he is not actually a good comedian and he cannot rectify his success with how he feels about himself.

[quote]What's his liquor of choice, anyone know?

Boone's Farm Strawberry Wine.

His wife was friends and business partners with Drew Barrymore. Do she and Jimmy have an arrangement or does she not know what’s going on?

There have been rumors about him with Ariana Grande

Late night TV has a serious problem.

Ratings have been in serious decline and now this strike has forced viewers to form new viewing habits.

Some of these shows may never recover.

This idea that complaining employees are snowflakes is misguided (“back in my day, they beat us daily and we enjoyed it”).

And “just move on to another job” ain’t always so simple. That can mean leaving too soon, which can hurt your ability to work again.

The more of these toxic assholes who are publicly shamed the better for everyone because it makes these asshole bosses think twice.

He’s not a gay?

Seth Meyers knows him from SNL but I wonder how Colbert feels about him? I guess they are all hanging on by their fingernails. Kimmel said he was thinking about retiring.

I haven't worked for any late-night show but I've worked for various TV stations for years. In my experience, every production is a snakepit to some degree. I have not encountered one production without psychopaths. Psychopaths as in shouting obscenities for no reason, unnecessarily humiliating staff for unimportant details, cult-like celebration of some producers, cameramen etc. who can get away with anything. What would be interesting to know is whether Jimmy Fallon's is worse than all the others. Do we have any insider who could chime in?

Sally Jessy Raphael was mean too.

Late night television could probably be pared down to one show a week, maybe even at the 10 PM hour. People just cannot be trained to keep an appointment day to day like that anymore. Shows like Graham Norton and SNL that are weekly don’t appear as affected by the dramatic shift in viewing habits.

Better guests, better production values and probably better mental health for everybody. Much of the stress of late night is producing something new five days a week.

They show clips the next day so why bother to stay up for the shows

That too

SNL still has that communal “event” aura and people will watch it so they can talk about it the next day

No one’s going to do that for a show that’s on five days a week

Colbert is the only late night host that seems to be a somewhat fully formed person outside of his job.

Kimmel was an alt right asshole and only moved a bit more center when he realized it made him money. I'm sure he's an asshole to many.

Corden was by all accounts an asshole to many. If he did it to restaurant staff (which we know he did) it's clear he also did it to staff, dissuaded from speaking by an NDA no doubt.

Meyers comes from the same SNL comedy scene, filled with fellow drunks/rageaholics (even Tina F and Amy P). He may cosplay a human better but I'm sure he has his issues too.

I heard he’s a homo

About a week before he started SNL, I saw Fallon do standup in LA. I sat next to Cuba Gooding Jr, who was there (presumably) to see Jay Mohr.

All those guys have since flirted with being canceled.

Fallon was terrible standup.

How this comes as a surprise to anyone is astounding. He has ASSHOLE stamped on his forehead.

I hate him and never watched his show

Ok let me play devils advocate for a minute. Yes he sounds like a prick, but talent who are expected to be tops every night often are.

How much of this is due to the perma-infantilism of millennials and possibly some Gen Zs on the staff? Let me be clear, I have nothing but scorn for the schmaltzy “talent” coming off the Lorne Michaels conveyor belt. I’m no Fallon apologist (I haven’t watched late night tv since letterman left “Late Night”).

But I can see these staffers waltzing in and expecting to do nothing, or little, and get praised and promoted because it’s their entitlement. I can see them on the verge of suicide because someone criticized them. I can see them describing every setback in “outrage culture” terms.

Why? I’ve seen millennials and now zeroes do the same thing in my own work experience and I’m betting the Gen Xs and boomers reading this have too.

Not absolving Fallon at all, but my guess is this 6 was cranked up to an 11 by the “oppressed” staff.

R136 to further your point,

Almost all of these entry level NY/LA media jobs are pipelined to nepo babies.

He's a drunk (still) and cheats on his wife. I know a former staff member.

R136, sorry but I disagree. I just retired, but I worked in a media company (top 50) and didn’t see this. The older generation is used to bosses who scream and yell, since we’ve all had them. But I haven’t seen abusers and yellers since at least starting in the late 2000’s. It’s just not tolerated anymore—it’s a liability and results in a poor product, not a better one.

And I’ll give you an hint—the company I worked for owns NBC, so I know the culture. And I never saw anyone new walk in and expect to do nothing. They all work hard (in fact, the only one who doesn’t is a boomer).

The fact is that some of NBC is very old school, which doesn’t work today. Millennials don’t put up with it because NO ONE should.

Let me guess, the staffers who complained of the "toxic work environment" kept working there and, happened to be women, right?

R139’s workplace:

Rich people's problems.

R139 but did you work in corporate (assuming Comcast In Philadelphia) or work in production?

People in production are CRAZY. They aways have been. I can see production jobs being traumatic to Zoomers if people are still behaving like Peter O’Toole in The Stuntman (he based the performance on David Lean.)

R141, not at all. It was frigging tough. Believe me, in a company of the caliber I worked at, they demanded and got outstanding performance. They just didn’t tolerate abuse. And if you think about it, it makes sense. It doesn’t lead to a better product, it’s actually shown to lead to poorer performance. And it opens the company to tremendous liability.

R133 jay mohr landed on his feet…and into bed with a billionaire wife.

[quote]But I can see these staffers waltzing in and expecting to do nothing, or little, and get praised and promoted because it’s their entitlement.

Do you not even think before posting? Just that desperate to whine about other generations? You really think lazy do-nothings waltz into a job on the Tonight Show?

It really is hilarious how the "they just need to suck it up" crowd clearly have no idea how actual businesses operate. I bet most of you spend the rest of the day having a breakdown in the stockroom if someone questions whether you gave them the right change.

Good guess r143. I didn’t work in production but I worked with them tangentially. Yes, it’s very stressful. I worked on several corporate projects/productions with the highest levels of the company and it was incredibly stressful. (Hah I wasn’t one of the higher ups believe me but worked support.) Did many overnights getting ready.

Most crews weren’t too bad. It would get very hairy as we approached live broadcasting events. But pretty much everyone kept their cool.

Fallon is notorious for having a poor environment. And his numbers aren’t great, but the show makes a good amount of money, which is pretty much all anyone cares about. If he ever becomes a liability financially, he’s history.

Btw, in these productions, I did get to work with some of the talent for NBC News, and they were all extremely professional and prepared. Not the top of the pyramid but people like Mika.

R126 high pressure workplaces select for psychopathy it should never be a surprise. being emotionally cold and nearly incapable of feeling stressed out is a huge plus.

Ah the news division would tend to draw more logical, well-behaved types.

Anything in creative in particular comedy is going to attract crazy people. Think Roseanne hurling TV monitors on the first run of her sitcom.

[quote]Wonder why he drinks in bars. Out in the open near other people.

He probably wants to be recognized, so he can then act aggrieved at being recognized.

[quote]Jesse @MuskTillDawn. Jimmy Fallon used to drink at a bar in the LES and a friend of mine once very politely told him he was a fan and Fallon just copied everything he said back to him in a mocking tone and when my friend told him to cut it out he had his personal security kick him out

Rightfully so. Your friend was interrupting Fallon's drinking.

Donaldson was traded and Stanton is having a pretty good September so far, r88. Not that it means anything because the Yankees suck. Still, 400 career homeruns is something to be proud of. They pick on players like Stanton because the pussies in the media don’t dare criticize Judge.

Lots of geezers on here reveling in the abuse of younger workers.

I’ve managed plenty of young workers. Some were better than others, but I didn’t experience much entitlement.

No one sobbed if I did properly pet them while asking them to do something.

I tolerated too much toxic/abusive behavior in my career. Huge props to those unwilling to put up with it.

[quote]Yes he sounds like a prick, but talent who are expected to be tops every night often are.

Bottoms are no picnic, either.

Let me guess. R140 happens to be an asshole.

I doubt he feels like he has imposter syndrome. Conan, Letterman, Kimmel,etc. are all terrible stand-ups and some are terrible interviewers, they don't/didn't even write the majority of material on their shows. What they are is great all around entertainers. Fallon is too despite what bitchy gays think (even though he can't interview for shit).

I watched him when he had Late Night and he really was a breath of fresh air. He embraced new technology like Twitter and satirized reality TV. He kept up on new pop culture while still understanding and respecting the old. I knew when he moved to the Tonight show that he would become uptight, just more at stake whereas with the old show it never expected big numbers so he could experiment more.

Whatever his rage and alcohol issues are, it has nothing to do with a lack of talent. I still say Catholic closet case. Even bisexuality in Catholic men makes them tortured.

Thank you, r139. Someone who speaks from actual experience.

150 posts and no one thought to comment on the NINE FUCKING SHOWRUNNERS IN NINE FUCKING YEARS.

This is NOT a typical set.

Miss R158 Has Stated Her Boundaries!

[quote]Kimmel was an alt right asshole and only moved a bit more center when he realized it made him money. I'm sure he's an asshole to many.

I chatted with a tipsy Kimmel writer in a bar who said Jimmy was great and very down to earth but his wife Molly was a horror show who insisted on being on-air talent and nobody would tell her no.

Lmao we’ve discussed Fallon on here for many years. I’ve met people who’ve had to deal with him and said he was a complete asshole, an egomaniac and has a crazy temper. Allegedly he has a problem with alcohol too. Enty has been exposing him for YEARS too. Many many blind items about him being a monster to his staff etc. and now it’s finally coming to light.

R158 is correct, that is a fucking problem for any talk show.

Where does Enty post? I can't find a website

Hello! R158

Blind Item from May about him.

“ The former late night actor turned talk show host doesn't care about his employees. Apparently that hangover from the night prior while partying with models kept him from a staff meeting. Every other talk show host met with their staff.

Jimmy Fallon/Met Gala”

Another

Oh Enty is Crazy Days and Nights? I thought CDAN was a liar

R167 a lot of things posted there come out to be true with time. Some things aren’t I’m sure but it’s not all a lie like you claim.

Has he been canceled yet? Why not?

From two years ago

From 2018

2017

Allegedly NBC stepped in a few years ago and told him he has to stop drinking/partying so much.

A Lipstick Alley thread about him from 2014

No-one gives a shit about your links

A Beyond The Blinds episode on him

These phony talk shows are painfully scripted and forced. They’re just a setup to make their celebrity guests look good. There is no genuine connection between the host and the guests.

I’m not a fan of Joe Rogan but his format has made traditional talk shows obsolete. At least his conversations feel authentic.

When is SNL/ late night shows going to finally be canceled?! They are soooo 20th century.

[quote] At least his conversations feel authentic.

Please tell me you are not allowed to vote in the country.

r177 r178 r179

"Not a fan of Joe Rogan" but familiar enough with his format that he's the first comparison that comes to mind, hmm?

I'm old enough to remember when guests went on talk shows just to talk, and they had a conversation with the host. The hosts knew how to ask questions and follow-up questions, not read scripted questions off index cards and tick them off one by one, making banal responses to the answers. Is this, perhaps, the format of which Joe Rogan is a remarkable exemplar?

[quote]I’m not a fan of Joe Rogan but his format has made traditional talk shows obsolete. At least his conversations feel authentic,

Translation: HUGE Joe Rogan fan.

Joe Rogan's #1 Fan!!!!!!

Joan Rivers was actually a good talk show host. She asked good questions and let the guest talk. It's pretty surprising to see, but she did know how to step back and let her guest shine & be interesting.

R146 is the millennial troll, constantly posting threads/comments bashing boomers (I’m not a boomer btw) and then gets triggered when someone defines the character of millennials.

[quote] My boss is a closed drunk who likes to be roughed up during sex too. It's never easy for the staff with someone like this.

And yet, Janet Reno managed to put up with Bill.

R185.

Anyone who doesn’t live under a rock is familiar with Joe Rogan’s format. He didn’t invent podcasts but he pioneered the genre. He’s not the best podcaster but I’ll take him over Jimmy Fallon giggling like a school girl every 5 minutes.

Podcasts are superior over the traditional talk show format.

They really are superior. If you want to hear a guest talk who would settle for a 5 min advertisement from some actress plugging their latest project when you can listen to an hour long conversation that actually goes in depth. Assuming you want to hear them in depth, that is. Many celebrities are painfully shallow and stupid.

R188 r189.

“Many celebrities are painfully shallow and stupid.”

—that’s hardly a ringing endorsement for listening in to an hour-long podcast with those shallow, stupid celebs.

I’ll pass on your own podcast until you make a coherent argument, thanks.

R191 put down the beer and learn to read, cunt.

I dislike Fallon. I think he's untalented and undeserving of the Tonight Show.

That said, much of this article (like many of these articles) reads like Gen Y and Z being thin-skinned and not knowing how to deal with bosses.

Jumping right to victimization instead of learning emotional intelligence and manipulating people to get ahead. That's showbiz.

I'd comment, but in 2017 I smelled booze on someone's breath in an elevator and it's left my nail beds too weakened for typing.

r185 Go on then, check my post history and post what threads I've created attacking boomers.

The only ones doing generational attacks are the likes of you, who desperately shoe-horn whining about millennials and Gen Z into every possible situation you can, even when it makes you look like a moron.

I got dirt on Jimmy! Do you wanna know? Chu wanna know? Juwan know?

In a pressurized atmosphere like Fallon's show, delicate flowers aren't going to last more than a week. So let's assume most of the people cited in the article are good employees who are speaking out about abuse. I agree with whoever said he has imposter syndrome. Shows like this one are traditionally about talking about books and creative projects with a bunch of sketches in between. Fallon made the show about games and performance because he can't handle in-depth interviewing. Lots of people prefer that kind of show but it creates relentless pressure to come up with routines that disguise his inadequacies and play up to his strengths. Plus he drinks which makes everyone on staff the children of alcoholic parents. Now, are younger people more likely to have had mental health conditions diagnosed and medicated than previous generations? Absolutely. There's a greater emphasis on self-care. They have been treated more gently by the educational system, which endeavors to build up their self esteem. They're probably used to veiled criticism, sandwiched between compliments. But this is the world we live in today and young people have every right to expect respectful, humane treatment in the workplace, even in pressure cookers like nightly comedy. And for those of us who are older and pride ourselves on how tough we are and all we put up with, well, this is a different time and place.

Any aspiring journalistic takedown that leads with a scent of booze on someone's breath seven years ago will not be taken seriously.

Unfortunately, two generations of good (skilled, experienced, ethical) editors were downsized out of journalism because it was supposed to become Gawker (which failed not once but twice).

Would love to know the real story, but unless Penske or Enty has it, good luck!

I think we’ve had the real story for a while. None of this is news.

R197 It sounds like the problem was him being an unprofessional drunkard who was wildly unpredictable, that has nothing to do with "high pressure".

[quote]Would love to know the real story, but unless Penske or Enty has it, good luck!

Jesus Christ, Enty as a news source. By the way, Rolling Stone is owned by Penske.

The fish rots from the head.

R201, I know, and that was sarcasm. The point being, there is no real entertainment journalism (or apparent understanding of irony) anymore.

Christ.

Hey, it's not my fault you sound like an idiot. After all, in your previous paragraph you suggested journalism was ethical pre-Gawker

No, you dumbshit, R204.

No. If you're the typical DL reader now, god help us all.

R203 r204 r205

[quote] And for those of us who are older and pride ourselves on how tough we are and all we put up with, well, this is a different time and place.

There is something, right here, to what r197 posts, at least anecdotally.

I'm an older, professional worker. I work with a staff, all younger than me, whose positions occupy a place lower than mine in the hierarchy. I, by no means, think that allows me to treat them with anything other than respect.

But, there is no getting around the reality that I have to adjust to them rather than they having to adjust to me.

I can whine, with some legitimacy and accuracy, as I am doing here these words, that, "That isn't how it used to be or should be now!" but so what?

Between cyber-technology and a post-pandemic world, everything (and I mean that word in its entirely) has changed. Younger workers now know the job will adjust to them, rather than they having to adjust to the job.

I'm not saying that's wrong or right. Many have pointed out that this new way of employer and employee relationships was a long-time coming and needed adjustment on behalf of workers. I think there is something to that.

But, I do know that the burden has shifted to older employees, used to a work ethic of the past, that ain't never coming back, having to suck it up and accept it.

[quote]But, I do know that the burden has shifted to older employees, used to a work ethic of the past, that ain't never coming back, having to suck it up and accept it.

This is the part that confuses me - you're acting like it's a bad thing. I'm sure back when companies were locally owned, or mom 'n' pop type operations, the idea of going above and beyond made sense, because you'd probably get something out of it. Loyalty may well have gone both ways back then.

But since mega-corporations have taken over everything, since personnel departments became human resource departments - why go above and beyond? Doing anything beyond your job description is giving these companies free labour - why do that? Why sacrifice your life to a company that will take zero hesitation in firing you just to boost their stock price for a day?

He had good and bad days. And he isn’t the nice guy he pretends to be. Who knew people in show biz were such phonies!!!

"So what?!? I worked in abusive workplaces, and I turned out FINE!! They're just little babies! Waah waah! Stupid kids!"

[quote] But since mega-corporations have taken over everything, since personnel departments became human resource departments - why go above and beyond? Doing anything beyond your job description is giving these companies free labour - why do that?

Some fields are still competitive. There's middle ground between (1) working yourself into the ground and (2) doing the bare minimum.

Nuthin' new. Here's a 2015 story/video about Jimmy that starts at the Harvard Lampoon and ends at the Mass General.

r211 Yes, and those in competitive fields work harder. But the stories posted here about "lazy millennials/gen z" aren't those.

Around the office, we call him Jimmy Phallus.

JIMMY BOOZEBAG!

Hello, Mr. Affleck

Too bad about the hooch problem and no one in his life to get him help. He actually is talented and a good mimic. Cute too.

"The Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon" is just "Jimmy Kimmel Live!" played sideways.

He kicked my cat and spat on my cuntbone. 😖

Jimmy Kimmel used to strike me as an annoying bohunk, but now I kinda like him. He has grown more mature and seemingly compassionate over the years. Maybe it’s just an act, but at least he’s trying.

A high pressure life is just not sustainable for some people unless they have a chemical crutch.

My job can be stressful at times, but those times pass and usually I have a break in between where life is normal. I can’t imagine being in a pressure cooker 24-7-365. I could not handle it.

Maybe one could get therapy and rx drugs that would do the trick. But Ive tried both and they didn’t help. Maybe I’ve never had good therapy.

Jimmy Kimmel had Trump on and sat there while he attacked Rosie. Kimmel can go fuck himself.

"Bohunk?"

Jimmy, Rosie, Donald... boy, there's NO ONE to root for in that scenario.

Gen Z is pathetic. Suck it up, crybabies. Jesus. We need mandatory military service. These kids are a bunch of pussies.

This is hardly an abusive workplace. These kids don’t want to work and demand fainting couches.

They’re anything but, r225, although I don’t know if you’re being sarcastic. They have the gumption to tell their employers to go fuck themselves, and they have the gumption to leave. Us Gen X’ers and Boomers just took the abuse. We thought it was part of the job.

And do they have the gumption to support themselves when they do, R277?

Or the gumption to head back to Mom's basement?

Telling one's employer to go fuck themselves isn't usually a strong career move.

R228, well, if mom is willing to take them back, I’d say smart move. Also I meant that figuratively. I don’t get it—just because we suffered through horrible abusive bosses, we think the next generation should too? Misery loves company I guess.

It's funny how standing up to someone is framed as being a pussy while cowardly taking abuse is seen as tough and manly. No wonder corporations had American men by the balls for decades.

Kimmel has grown into the job and he is as smooth as glass. I'm sure as the talent he is demanding and ego maniacal. But from what I've heard he takes care of his people and they have been with him a long time. That goes a long way.

I would say he and Colbert are equally entertaining.

Fallon is someone who never should have been given the job. I always feel like I am watching a 14 year old boy trying to impress his parents. An abject failure.

[quote] I would say he and Colbert are equally entertaining.

Faint praise.

[quote] Fallon is someone who never should have been given the job. I always feel like I am watching a 14 year old boy trying to impress his parents. An abject failure.

Well put.

Drunken ass mick

When he injured his finger DLers were adamant he hurt himself while drunk. Sounds like they were likely 100% correct.

r58, I've worked with both Conan and Colbert, and they're both good guys. Not a hostile environment at all. Sure they can get testy, but they never lash out or blame other people.

I believe that about Conan. Colbert comes off as a supercilious asshole, but maybe he's different in person.

r236, that is a persona with Colbert, he was very kind to me- I told him I never saw, "Strangers With Candy", and he gave me the full seasons of DVDs. Also the wittiest man that I've ever met. It was strange seeing his transition from his political show to late night hosting.

R237 - If you say so. Never met him (nor wish to), but let's at least agree that he plays his "persona" to perfection and with great ease.

Colbert is clearly not a guy who is at ease with pretending to be friends with everyone who is a guest on his show. Unlike Fallon. Kimmel does have many real friends in Hollywood which is why he has an easier rapport with the showbiz crowd and he plays that up to great effect. Colbert has the best writers. His opening monologues are works of art and the best part of the show. When he has a guest on who can give as good as they get, like Tom Hanks, he has someone he can have fun with and that makes it more fun for the viewers. He only plays at being an asshole. It’s just that he’s so good at it 😈

Once when John Mulaney was on Colbert’s show, Colbert was quite frosty towards Mulaney. It was odd and uncomfortable to watch. I assume Mulaney brought some sort of backstage drama. (This was when Mulsney was still using)