OnlyFans Is Cratering

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[quote]Oh I’ve been hearing this for months. I’m actually genuinely worried about the future of onlyfans too. It all feels like it’s gonna implode and then I’m gonna be truly fucked (not in a good way)

DL Fave Devin Franco adds:

[quote]Everyone thinks they’re a porn star now, and every 18 year old fresh out of high school who grew up with social media and no work prospects are going straight to onlyfans for money and that’s where all the attention is going to. Hell, porn isn’t even about fucking anymore, if you have a pretty face and willing to show your dick (or put a giant dildo in your shorts) that’s all it takes to rise to the top now. It’s all gimmicks and TikTok style meme porn.

Someone named Leo Rush: Alpha Master says:

[quote]When the unadventurous, uninspiring and artificial ‘creators’ want to take a slice of success from the people in the industry so many of us are truly passionate about, an industry where we strive to create authentic, professional and exhilarating productions for our fans it hits us hard.

[quote]Our careers are a trending lifestyle at the moment, this won’t last forever but how many will last to see it through.

Does he have “a” JustForFans?

A "French porn artist" named Axel replies:

[quote]I couldn’t agree more with all of this. I’ve started other careers cause I’m getting tired of fighting for my porn career. I’m trying to get good content, so I can’t post as often as someone who post dick pics everyday but my followers are dropping. Bit confused on what to do tbh

His prolapse is complete.

Won’t somebody think of the whores?!

It better die, I miss the days when amateur porn was about exhibitionists who just wanted to show off (like DL fave, The Wriggleyville Cumdump). Now it's all wannabe whores who think showing their cock is worth $15 a month.

It’s not cratering, it’s stabilizing.

These performers were getting away with madness because of the pandemic. Despite what people think with peoples financial situations during Covid - millennials living at home were collecting $600 a month + unemployment + those bonus checks. They were throwing money around.

Yeah charging $10 a subscription to go behind a paywall to see a few 5-10 seconds clips of nudity and then pay $20-40 for more hardcore videos wasn’t going to last.

Are torrents still a thing? I just don't understand what stops someone who subscribes to an OnlyFans account from capturing the content and uploading it to a file sharing community or porn forum.

So all of these wannabes ain’t making dough. Talk about being hoisted on your own petard…

It's a loose loose situation, that's for sure!

Thank you, R10.

Should we say that 65% of one's followers were taken away by others, or that one has lost 65% of their followers? Where does the responsibility lie, whores?

The other thing is - porn stars have always had a short shelf life.

OnlyFans isn’t cratering, their time is up. Everyone in that thread has been around for years, way longer than the average porn star would be pre-OnlyFans.

These stars have free porn everywhere. They work with every single studio and every single porn star and it all leaks and is free on the internet.

Why would anyone buy from Devin Franco. If you know about him, you know his new stuff will be leaked online a few days.

They’re confusing over saturation with over exposure.

r9 You really think it's millennials paying for porn? Please.

R15, how is it leaked? Thanks

Haha, sluts please, put your clothes on and get a real job doing something productive

r10 Plenty are leaked, Gay for Fans is pretty good for the most popular content. Telegram is the main place it's shared now though

Some of them are pissed off that, despite all their whoring, they're still losing out to the likes of Peachy, even though he doesn't have sex on camera. The reality, however, is that many people will always be more interested in someone like Peachy (who's won the genetic lottery on several fronts) than an anonymous no-loads-refused ho.

Who or what is a Peachy?

R16 Yes. They’re paying for OnlyFans.

Gen X and Boomers are still paying porn sites.

I do this for a living. I help manage people’s OF.

A lot of the rebill subscribers are usually older people who can’t figure out how to turn it off. Cause most people subscribe and then quickly unsubscribe so they don’t keep paying a monthly bill. At this point I know it’s an old person who can’t figure out how to do it. That’s why re-bills are low.

Blond Essex (UK) ho with a big ass, R21.

[quote]The reality, however, is that many people will always be more interested in someone like Peachy (who's won the genetic lottery on several fronts) than an anonymous no-loads-refused ho.

You mean self-loathers who want to try and convince themselves he's straight? And sure, that's the only choice, him or take any loaders, nothing in between

r22 You don't actually know what millennial, gen X or boomer means, do you?

And if I have to explain why millennials pay for porn.

It’s because a lot of the super popular porn stars today don’t work for studios, they’re independent and make their own content and the big ones have scrubbers. You can hire someone to remove content everywhere and that’s what they do.

A lot of these angry porn stars work for studios and their content is everywhere. So it’s like well how the hell would Devin Franco be making money when you can find his stuff full length for free any tube site you go to lol.

Thank you, R23.

It's working the way it was meant to. OnlyFans was exactly meant for the 18 to 22 year olds who come on, flash their bits for a while, and move on. Rinse repeat.

r26 You really think studios don't employ scrubbers too? Or do you somehow think that the ones hired by OFers are more effective? Millennials grew up with the web, they know how to find stuff.

And that's without even asking how we're meant to believe you know the ages of an OF subscriber. So just quit your bullshitting.

Well, they had hot asses, but...

It's unfortunate, but all sorts of business have suffered after the pandemic: theatres, movie, restaurants even home-building and home sales. Just take a look at inflation at the grocery store. Something's gotta give.

OnlyFans and other sex and/or porn sites are all part of the economy and income that is available to the public.

R25 Of course I do. I’m a millennial.

Millennials: 27 to 42 years old Gen X: 43 to 58 Boomers: 59 - 68

You really think 50 and 60 year olds were the ones who were the dominant consumer on OnlyFans?

R25 To give you a breakdown, here’s an article.

So 48% of OF users are between 25-44 which is basically the millennial generation.

Thank you!

R29 Again why would you think it’s old people buying OnlyFans?

Older generations who buy website porn STILL buy website porn. That’s the only thing keeping porn studios going. Unless you actually believe millennials are buying studio porn (they’re not). Or you believe that only people over 45 buy porn.

[quote]The other thing is - porn stars have always had a short shelf life.

Based on the numbers in r33, OF isn't cratering.

Subscriptions for individual content creators is diminishing as the number of creators skyrocketed. As noted, pron stars rarely last more than a few years before someone new comes along. As cold as it sounds, they also need to realize what DLers have always known, you're the ONLY person who thinks you still look 24. The rest of us know you're over 40.

R31 As I said, Onlyfans had a very unrealistic greedy structure that was bound to stabilize.

That’s why people have switched over to No PPV.

Porn sites you pay like $10-15 a month and see tons of stars and get to watch tons of videos.

With OnlyFans a lot of the creators were charging $10-15 for a subscription AND $20 to actually watch a full length video!

It was a scam. You pay for a Men.com or a Sean Cody subscription or shit Netflix and Hulu a flat fee and you get to watch everything.

That’s what these content creators are mad about. They can’t do it anymore.

It was insane. But I don’t see how it’s collapsing. It’s stabilizing.

r33 You didn't bother reading the source, did you? That 'data' comes from an online survey:

[quote]A total of 718 adult participants completed the survey. Of the total sample, 285 self-identified as college/university students with the remaining 433 from MTurk

And so is fairly worthless.

So, what actually happened is you made a baseless claim, then tried an appeal to authority by claiming you were some kind of OF helper, and when that failed you quickly did some googling and posted some flawed data

You've also contradicted yourself, saying most rebills are old people in r22, and now in r34 you say old people only buy studio porn.

R37 But it’s only a small amount of rebills people have.

But ok you can believe it’s old people who are making Onlyfans thrive.

You can search my posts and see that I’m an OnlyFans manager.

I knew a guy that went on OnlyFans and then he died.

If I were paying I'd rather go to one of those beat off sites with true amateurs and straight guys. Here's 25 tokens, stand up and spread your ass. CHING CHING CHING. Or paying 15 tokens to make that pink dildo thing give them a shock.

R35 And not only that but a lot of content creators do the same thing over and over again.

Porn is very repetitious. Most studios have the same exact setups in the same exact beds and just switch around the men.

But when you’ve got thousands of content creators making the same daylight hotel bed videos, people get tired of it.

And a lot of them setup on iPhones and use very dull angles. Can’t even see the penetration lol.

[quote] lol

LoL! :)

I misread cratering for catering.

R40 Camming is hard. You have to really build an audience.

Brock Cooper is a big cammer and he does it almost every single day.

If you do it here and there you won’t make shit and you’ll be on there for hours.

OF Revenue - 2018: $5.8 million / 2019: $97 million / 2020: $375 million / 2021: $1.2 billion / 2022: $2.5 billion (projected)

Users: 2017: 100,000 users / 2018: 1 million users / 2019: 13.5 million users, 348,000 content creators / 2020: 82.3 million users, 1.6 million content creators / 2021: 187.9 million users, 2.1 million content creators

The numbers suggest that the platform is still growing as a whole. What's declining is the subscriptions to individual content creators. In a predictable turn of events, the older creators who initially gained a large following early on when there were fewer creators are likely to be the ones suffering the most as they are the ones who are no longer new and interesting. At the same time, their success is what drew so many other people to the platform, creating their own downward spiral.

Fresh meat!

Well, they charge $15-20 ! That's as much as Netflix. Nah. Porn is free. This is gonna get good when all them little trips to Vegas and Mexican resorts stop dying up. And that's what they're use to. Better save your money.

R47 Porn is free but who can you see?

There’s OF models I follow whose stuff doesn’t get leaked.

Someone go find me the Baxx and Tristian West video that’s been released since May. You’ll only find 5-10 seconds of it from their Twitter lol.

[quote] lol

LoL! :)

Koby Falks makes sure his stuff isn’t all over the Internet for free.

Falk that!

I wonder how Bryson Kyle is doing now. He was/(is) doing very well and started buying real estate.

[quote]Boomers: 59 - 68

Actually, boomers go to 77. The postwar baby boom started the year after WWII ended, 1946.

My feelings toward this are just laced in schadenfreude. You can bet more than a few idiots had to explain themselves to people in their lives.

Hope they all land on their feet, so to speak. Existence is naturally a race to the bottom. Future content creators will sell their organs if they can make a quick buck, not that I blame them.

Does Derek Allen do studio porn?

I wonder if this affects Christian Styles who has 1.5 million X followers and is a big OnlyFans success.

What about Chris Damned?

[quote] What about Chris Damned?

Chris Damned be damned!

Yeah this is across social media and "influencer" platforms. Bigo hosts have seen their checks decline too, the pandemic boom times are over. Hosts have to stay online all day to earn what they did for a fews hours during the peak of COVID.

[quote]The numbers suggest that the platform is still growing as a whole. What's declining is the subscriptions to individual content creators.

Agree r45. And to the OF manager, it's quite remarkable how so few hot guys know their audience, what content people want to see, how to market themselves on other platforms, how to set a price point. The gay-for-pay ones are the most disappointing and delusional.

LPSG is still the best place to get reviews on OF accounts, and you can also see if creator has hired "scrubber". LPSG admin will let everyone know the OF model has contacted them to stop posters from talking about their bitch-ass 🤣

R44. Brock Cooper works at camming. He's online live almost everyday. He has built and audience, puts on a show--and puts the "chat" in Chaturbate. But even he is going to cycle out of this porn game in a matter of a couple or maybe even a few years. People move on, audiences change. Mr. Cooper will not retain his audience forever. Online porn is not a career. It's a very repetitive job with enormous competition and the same "happy ending" that has a very finite shelf life.

Most jobs have a shelf life, but porn burns out quicker than most.

It reminds me a lot of Chaturbate. The male performers discovered OhMyBod (now Lovense). It created an immediate sensation and guys suddenly were making 5-10x more. It also peaked although most performers still use it. Chaturbate is still a very popular website but the days where you would routinely see a male performer make10,000 tokens + because of OMB are gone.

The most interesting part of r52's post is not that Bryson Kyle made $445,587, but that his NET is $356,470.

If revenue for 2022 was projected at $2.5b and their profit is $1.2b, there's something wrong with those numbers.

I had initially thought that the "revenue" number must include creators revenue from which they'd get a cut (~20% based on Kyle's post). However, if the revenue is $2.5b and we use the 20% as their cut, that's only $500mm, so the project profit of $1.2b doesn't make sense.

Any other calculations make the number mindbogglingly large. The global pron industry for 2023 is estimated at roughly $97b with the US accounting for $12-14b. There's something off.

The heartbreak of anal leakage.

R58 Well that’s the downside to being an OnlyFans model and one of the reasons why these people are upset. They got away with not being business savvy. Now there’s competition or they’re fading and they have to be business savvy.

It’s like any other business and a lot of them have no clue how to run a business.

Straight content creators are doing MUCH worse though. HORRENDOUS. Whatever gay content creators are going through, it’s much worse for straight content.

Most female performers are mostly retarded and their straight male co-performers are even WORSE. They are at the bottom bottom bottom. I wouldn’t work with either, there’s no money.

At least with gay and gay for pay, they have some sort of grasp on their audience.

A lot of women are treated like cattle and a lot of women behave like cattle.

The big difference between men and women is a majority of the men ARE content creators and a large portion of women are NOT.

Unless they are solo acts who have been Instagram and TikTok followings, a lot of women aren’t actually filming. They rely on male content creators to collaborate and shoot and edit the videos and wait at the Dropbox. A lot of them are more models than they are content creators.

And then a lot of them rely on porn studios to promote them. So because a lot of them don’t create their content, they gain their followers from collaborations and porn studios and so they don’t really build up audience. So even if you look on Twitter, a girl can have 300k followers and only get 1,000 likes cause she doesn’t do shit. Most of its guys who follow because they saw her somewhere else, beat off, and forget about her.

At least gay content creators focus on building audiences on Twitter and their engagement is way higher than most women.

And straight male porn stars are even worse. The most sexless boring accounts you could imagine.

Oh and the straight drama is much worse.

Parasocial behavior doesn’t belong on Twitter. You build a personality on other platforms and then expose your X rated content on Twitter.

Gay guys are bad but not as bad as straight people. Twitter is basically an alternative porn site for a lot of people and the female accounts are pretty bad. 10% of it is porn and 90% of it is them complaining. Complaining about catching STDs, how bad male performers suck, talking about depression and anxiety and everything that would make a dick wilt.

And straight male performers are just useless. Their porn accounts are Facebook friendly. Even when they retweet porn shoots everyone has clothes on, it’s insane and they make nothing.

If porn was high school

Straights = jocks and cheerleaders at the popular table. They know they’re the popular ones but EH?

Bisexuals = floaters

Gays = the smarter ones. Honestly. Out of all the porn stars, the gays are the smartest. They’re the math club.

Trans = the goths who smoke in the bathroom. A lot of the jocks bang them on the low.

Kinks = the theater geeks.

I don't follow straight performers, but I've seen DaddyJM doing some interesting things with his 'buddy' Chris.

They're quite comfortable with each other

R68 Chris Railz is one of the very few straight guys in porn who actually knows his audience.

His porn is very homoerotic.

The only straight guys who typically do really well are black men because BBC is a whole genre and it’s the only straight genre that is based on the man.

r70 I just looked through his media and the vast vast majority is just him and a girl. Some with DaddyJM and he did fuck a transguy.

Here’s a great example of a straight male performer.

Nathan Bronson.

He’s hot.

But he’s most likely living off porn studio money. Most of his Twitter account are retweets from studio porn.

And he has a porn star cooking show only porn stars / industry people care about.

And if you look at his actual posts in media and not just his retweets he 2-300 likes. Really terrible for someone with 57k followers. I’m sure a lot of his followers are disappointed gay guys who he fell out of the algorithm with cause they don’t engage lol.

See it's everywhere for free. Here's DaddyJM and friends. He's just my type but I would pay him in person not to watch him

A lot of straight guys don’t really do it for the money because there’s no money for them.

They basically just make content for women and share it and then the women sell it on their Onlyfans cause straight guys are going to go to the women. So a lot of the women don’t really have to do much but as said, they still suffer from not being content creators.

Chris Railz R71 is someone who is smart. He does homoerotic porn and caters to gay men’s gaze and freaky straight guys and that drives his popularity and income and that’s why he can churn out so much porn with women. Plus he’s in LA so whenever studios are flying girls in, he grabs them for collabs and they take it for exposure.

A lot of straight guys ignore gay audiences.

But in all honesty, most straight male performers are pretty gross. A lot of them are really average.

F73 The popular guys are going to have content leaked out there.

The thing is, there’s people who watch porn for free and people who buy it. You’re never going to turn someone who watches porn for free into a buyer. Rare

But people who watch porn for free are just as valuable. They pay for streaming revenue on tube sites like PornHub and Xvideos and they boost engagement with likes and retweets on social media and promote to people who do buy porn.

So everyone is useful.

I was turned into a buyer with TimTales. I find so many of the straight guys, both on OF and regular porn MUCH hotter than the gay ones. But I trend towards as rough as possible. You don't get that with nearly any gay porn. I had never heard of this DaddyJM guy and hes hot as hell to me. I guess in the old days they would have siad I like rough trade.

[quote] I’ve started other careers cause I’m getting tired of fighting for my porn career.

He's a real Norma Rae, ain't he?

Well, OnlyFans may see a bit of a renaissance, as thirsty queen Andrew Matarazzo just created one 😂

[quote]My feelings toward this are just laced in schadenfreude. You can bet more than a few idiots had to explain themselves to people in their lives.

How do you mean?

My problem is the poor lighting, no closeups, and amateur camera work.

Creators are getting greedy. More and more creators put everything behind the paywall. PPV charges $20 for a crappy scene. I'd rather spend money on membership sites, at least you can access hundreds of scenes with one membership. Not to mention OF's poor camera work and lighting. No one wants to watch a scene without close-ups of penetration.

I don't get the appeal of OF. So they just wank for the camera or stick a finger up their Honeypot?

Whores should have to work a little harder than that!

[quote]Whores should have to work a little harder than that!

They used to, before the internet.

[quote]They used to, before the internet.

Sort of like Allen, the videogame junkie, and Phyllis who earns her money the hard way...a quarter at a time.

Oversaturation is the flipside of the creator revolution that Onlyfans enables because there are now no gatekeepers about who can work in porn ie studio bosses, employers. The real power now lies with the consumer. I think there is an element of some pornstars being arrogant and complacent and thinking they are entitled to be set up for life from Onlyfans and then wanting to restrict others from getting the same opportunity. Pulling up the drawbridge after themselves mentality. It is an ongoing competitive field. They have to accept that .

r56 How do you find out how many followers/subscribers a person has on Onlyfans as many do not show the number? Is there a way to find out who is losing subscribers who is gaining etc?

Bad timing for Drea

R87.

I really want DaddyJM