Gay dancer stabbed to death: beauty was not found here

Not making excuses in any way for the homophobia or obviously the killing, but if you read the article there was clearly a lengthy confrontation with lots of exchanged words. People are fucking nuts nowadays. If someone’s confronts you like this, especially late at night in Brooklyn, it’s not worth it to argue back. People are snapping over minor things.

Saw this on the news last night. Sad story. I hope they find his scumbag killer.

I guess it does no good to recall all the times I’ve seen guys with their hands down the pants of, or sneaking up to the boobs of, their girlfriends in public and through an heroic effort of self control did not even say, “Why don’t you two get a room” let alone did not murder them.

**Possible** hate crime? Yeah, well, bingo to that.

What kind of personality feels the world is brought unto them for opinions, judgements and punishments? We're all just characters in his play.

I wonder if their legal argument will be that Sharia Law supersedes U.S. Federal Law.

R1 They were in Flatbush/Midwood/Kensington, predominantly black neighborhoods, so they possibly felt a bit more confidant it would not escalate.

But I do agree with you.

And if I had the hair-trigger temper I had 20 years ago today, I would probably be dead.

I'm always amazed at how perfect Muslims are. Unlike Christians, Jews, etc. they seem immune to life's little challenges like affairs, unwanted pregnancies, homosexual feelings, lying, stealing, pride, divorce... And (usually) murder.

Well I mean according to the Supreme Court, you can do a lot of things if your sincerely held religious beliefs are challenged.

Best not to sashay and shante with those muslims around. WHY DO WE LET ENEMIES INTO THIS COUNTRY? If they kill us and want our culture dead, they are our enemies.

Nothing good is in Brooklyn.

What’s Arabic for “disrespected”?

Looking at Muslims offends my faith in humanity.

Wife-beating savages.

Theirs is the most dangerous of the big three religions because they still follow every dark commandment of their holy book. Some Jews eat pork, and most Christians work on the Sabbath, but Muslims still treat every word as a command from god, and obey.

PAY WALL

Agreed, R6. I used to walk around NYC mouthing off to anyone who even looked at me wrong. I had confrontations with shady characters on the subway multiple times. Would yell at crack heads for acting like crack heads. Don’t know what the fuck I was thinking!

They love our money but not our values.

I got followed twice in the last two weeks for giving the finger to two aggressive motorists. I mean, just flipping the bird at somebody driving like a jerk and they pursued me in traffic. I've retired my middle finger. It's nuts.

First the predominantly Muslim City Council in the town in Michigan and now this shit? We’re supposed to be tolerant of those who are intolerant of us? So tired of people who want us to be the bigger person in incidents like this. I’m tired of turning the other cheek. But we have to accept this bullshit? We should arm ourselves. This shit is draining me.

Keep voting for those hard-progressive Democrats, New Yorkers! Lookin' good!

Oh great. These people are holding anti gay marches here in Canada. I guess it’s only a matter of time until the murders start c

Non paywalled article.

Coney Island can be a pretty shitty area at night. And the video looks like both groups were fighting before the violence.

He stole my name and spelled it wrong!

Is the government afraid to chastise the Muslim community for fear of terrorist strikes or something? These people should be called out for their hatred. I’m an atheist but I’m willing to respect their right to worship as they want, but don’t you try to take away my rights based on your ignorant back porch religion. I feel that way about Christianity too.

Ultimately ot comes down to people needing to be validates above someone else. It's the same sentiment that drives the anti-trans bigotry here (and racism as well).

Let's hope those who are judging here don't live in a glass house.

Aren't we meant to treat a violent act as that of the person and not due to a group they belong to? Don't we hate it when a gay, trans person does something wrong and we have to be dragged into it? I'm sure many Muslims feel the same.

Probably will find the guilty parties eventually. Looks like a heavy camera-ed and densely populated spot.

It’s incredible how complacent people in NYC get with the current situation there. To be outdoors after sunset is crazy.

Islam is a hate cult and Muslims DNA is not advanced like ours.

Something that bothers me about NYC is the way ultra-Orthodox Jews seem to operate their own sort of "legal system" and aren't made accountable to the State's legal apparatus. What's to keep NYC Muslims from demanding the same?

R21 The Daily News article is not paywalled…and you added magit-prop NY Post here? Ew.

And this murder did not occur on Coney Island. Coney Island is significantly south of Midwood.

Coney Island Avenue is very long and cuts through many neighborhoods.

Time for some Koran burnings.

People are fucking nuts these days, don't confront anyone in public just walk away.

It's just a modern version of West Side Story with inferior choreography.

There has been exactly one murder in Greenwich Village so far in 2023. A fight between 2 homeless people. Murder in good areas is extremely rare.

Here’s a more detailed report with video of the events leading up to the stabbing:

Some trouble making 17 year old kid looking for a fight. The situation was almost deescalated, but they they started fighting again which eventually led to the victim being stabbed.

Trash. Give ‘em the chair and make their last meal consist of pork chops, lobster, and a glass of beer.

When I was 17, 18, 19 one knew never to even look a second too long at a young black queen, lest ye be read. Those ladies were often seeking a confrontation (of the verbal persuasion). Sadly, times have changed.

[quote] I've retired my middle finger.

I might be interested in hiring it on occasion.

Yes, I think we can all agree that conservative Muslims are the only group in the US who have a problem with homos!

Whataboutism fail, R40. If your point is that we have millions of homegrown homophobes, then why are you in favor of importing millions more?

The gas station manager said the suspect always came in to use the bathroom and had a “bad attitude,” so maybe he’s got a hot temper or some kind of mental disorder in addition to being a religious fundie. Mixing religion with mental illness sounds redundant, but troubled people raised with absolutist beliefs are some of the most dangerous people out there because they’re propped up and egged on by their own communities as messengers of God.

[quote]I'm always amazed at how perfect Muslims are.

Yeah, me too.

"A video posted online allegedly shows the head of Iran's culture and Islamic guidance in Gilan province, Reza Tsaghati, having sex with another man.

Mr Tsaghati has been removed from his post while authorities investigate.

Homosexuality is illegal in Iran, with LGBT+ people at risk of harassment, abuse and violence."

Shouldn't all those tall, svelte young men, on both sides of the rumble, be on Only Fans making coin? They have such beautiful shades of skin.

The short guy on the gay side is cute. I’m glad he’s OK.

My husband gets really bad road rage and I’ve had to beg him to stop. Since COVID in particular, people are changed. Life is hard and expensive and the news is mostly bad. People are on edge.

Yes not that it is the victims fault at all r46, but he was being belligerent with the attacker. Escalating the situation with this lowlife punk rather than trying to remove himself from it. That ended up costing him.

Deport them back to where they came from

I have written about this before, but my upstairs neighbors (in Brooklyn) are vile homophobes. The youngest son (now 20) accused me of attempting to groom him, he just did not (and does not) possess the vocabulary to use those exact words.

But don't go to Alabama.

It’s exactly why I use Uber drivers for just about everything. Public transportation and even plain old walking is hazardous to your health.

Forget Brooklyn after dark. I wouldn't confront anyone these days. People are f'n nuts!

Just remember all the voguers who attacked us on 9-11!

I'm a bit confused. In the videos leading up the the stabbing, the victim appears to be wearing pink shorts while the alleged attacker is wearing red shorts. In one of the shots at R41s link, I think, it shows a man on the sidewalk in red shorts.

Being Muslim doesn't mean you can strike out and kill people who "offend" you. Try not looking, asshole. Also, very telling that he carried a knife. He was going to use it at some point. Unfortunately, this was the time he chose.

[quote]Being Muslim doesn't mean you can strike out and kill people who "offend" you. Try not looking, asshole.

That’s the problem — he couldn’t RESIST looking. I think we know what’s going on with him.

A news article containing an eye witness account is not necessarily correct (or under oath) but apparently after some arguing back and forth, but if you actually read the article, after the arguments and the situation was diffused, the "victim" chased down the "attacker." Who then stabbed him.

R29 = too stupid for words.

It bothers you? You’re stating it’s not that you don’t understand. It bothers you.

"The youngest son (now 20) accused me of attempting to groom him"

If people have unwanted sexual feelings they will project them onto you. You are a cocktease who entered their vision to seduce and humiliate them. Satan is using you to tempt them into a sordid life of perversion, disease, ostracism and eternal hellfire.

Excuse me for a moment, I'm just going to call in a welfare check on PoisonedDragon. He should have arrived on this thread eight hours ago.

R58 You may be correct. He has a little friend that follows him around all the time with puppy dog eyes. He is really mean to him when I see them in the hall…yet, they are frequently alone together in the apartment.

BARRACK HUSSEIN OBAMA HAS BLOOD ON HIS HANDS PEOPLE!

When he is convicted can the Brooklyn Judge order the muslims' hands chopped off as part of the punishment.

Like their countries want or would take them back, r48? They'd be degenerate losers anywhere, but the metrics move to accommodate them. They probably got sent to the U.S. because they were embarrassments to their family in the old country. No such issues here with rampant bored Islamist males! Here, they're revolutionaries for Allah!

[QUOTE][R29] = too stupid for words. It bothers you? You’re stating it’s not that you don’t understand. It bothers you.

My head is spinning from your multidimensional chess moves, r57.

Here's another opportunity to demonstrate your presumed superiority: What the fuck are you yakking about?: Explain and make it easy for us simpletons, OK? (And, go ahead and glory in your presumptions of superiority as you clutch yourself as you type)

I fear the man who stabbed the victim is going to get away with it. It's infuriating and unfair, but because the victim apparently wanted to continue the confrontation, the killer will say he feared for life. The victim, who lost his life, is going to get blamed for his own death.

It infuriates me because the perp's friend started the whole confrontation because he thought he had the right to tell a group of men, minding their own business and having fun, to stop dancing. Because it offended as a Muslim. I don't give a fuck! I get offended every day and I can still mind my own business. I'm sure this little asshole will get away for instigating this fight because he's a teenager.

I agree that we should not engage with people who are provoking confrontations. But I feel for the group of men who were dancing. It's infuriating to have a bunch of homophobic shit stains try to control your actions and behaviors that are ultimately hurting no one. That you are offended is irrelevant.

RIP to the man who lost his life.

You see this with some religious people, where the fact that [italic]you [/italic]aren't living according to [italic]their [/italic]beliefs "offends" them. My father, who was raised in a Catholic theocracy and hasn't adjusted to the fact that he no longer lives in one, is such a person, as are many Muslim immigrants to the West.

[post redacted because independent.co.uk thinks that links to their ridiculous rag are a bad thing. Somebody might want to tell them how the internet works. Or not. We don't really care. They do suck though. Our advice is that you should not click on the link and whatever you do, don't read their truly terrible articles.]

Some posters want to focus on the Muslim stuff, but really this wasn't about his religion, this guy is a known trouble maker in the neighborhood. It was a bad kid looking for a fight, and he found one with the victim who was happy to scrap with him.

R9 - The killers could easily have been Christian nationalists. Our government is setting all of this hate up — practically sanctioning it.

R25 Except they are all the exact same. It's baked into their DNA. You can't allow that kind of behavior to fester.

R69 But these killers were not Christians. They were Muslims. Address the facts as they actually are. They should be punished by death immediately.

Yeah. The Yemen Arabs are dumb and ghetto as hell. That’s why they work at smoke shops and deli’s. And then they adapt to the hood culture here in NY, and it’s a no win situation. Don’t mistake them for Indians,

However, they do participate in same sex relationships. They just are very discreet about it. The teens are the most homophonic. But hell, I was homophobic as a teen. I just wsh the man would have just gotten into the car. It’s not worth arguing with teens trying to impress each other.

It's so funny to me when I read gays being right-wing or Republican at all.

Like - do you think your hatred of immigrants or your hatred of ppl with dark skin or your hatred of trans ppl will save you?

The people who hate immigrants hate you too.

Pick a side, you dizzy cunts.

This is a good example of how we can’t honestly discuss things anymore. I’ve seen so many gay men share this saying the guy was “killed for dancing.” No one is talking about what many of us have mentioned on this thread: the need to de-escalate. This is a tragedy, first and foremost, and viciously homophobic. But if we want to help young gay people right now, in these crazy times, we need to teach backing down from someone who wants to do us harm.

[quote] First the predominantly Muslim City Council in the town in Michigan and now this shit? We’re supposed to be tolerant of those who are intolerant of us?

Soon we can finally be like France!

R74 You're right that we need to teach people to avoid unnecessary conflict. A lot of people want to provoke so they can get their anger out on other people. Never get in fights with strangers.

However, it's also understandable that people are angry about these young men starting the confrontation. Because we also need to teach people to mind their own business. We also need to teach people that they don't own others and shouldn't be telling other people, especially grown men, how to behave. We need to teach people that your personal beliefs, based on your religion or personal philosophy, does not give you license to start a confrontation with anyone.

I think the advice to de-escalate is sound, but it goes both ways.

[quote]We also need to teach people that they don't own others and shouldn't be telling other people, especially grown men, how to behave. We need to teach people that your personal beliefs, based on your religion or personal philosophy, does not give you license to start a confrontation with anyone.

Good luck with teaching that to fucking Muslims!

A lot of Westerners are totally clueless about Muslim culture and beliefs.

^^^I disagree. Most Muslims know this very well. These knuckleheads that instigated the fight are not representative of the majority of Muslims. Most Muslims I know and work with are simply trying to live their lives and understand we live in a pluralistic society where they, like everyone else, need to tolerate differences. At the very least, most know not to start ridiculous fights with strangers.

They’re American born Muslims?

Sure are!

" he shouldn't be dancing, I'm Muslim". Jesus Christ, he was just looking to hurt or kill someone.

[quote] That’s why they work at smoke shops and deli’s.

Speaking of dumb and ghetto as hell...

[quote]Excuse me for a moment, I'm just going to call in a welfare check on PoisonedDragon. He should have arrived on this thread eight hours ago.

PLEASE DON'T.

Im R67 and my post's been eaten. Short version: I don't care if someone is "known as a troublemaker". We regularly encounter people who annoy us. Who cannot endure this without stabbing people belongs into a mental institution. No exception. I don't understand why we're giving a bronze age cult a pass.

[quote]It’s incredible how complacent people in NYC get with the current situation there. To be outdoors after sunset is crazy. ----r27

Mary!

[quote]I don't understand why we're giving a bronze age cult a pass.

Because people are terrified of being called racists.

A man dancing at a gas station in Brooklyn was stabbed to death after a dispute broke out between two groups Saturday night -- and a 17-year-old is now being sought in connection to the shocking death of dancer O’Shea Sibley.

Law enforcement sources have identified the suspect as a teen who remains at large.

He was very beautiful. The correct thing is to deescalate of course but when homophobes sling their shit at you like monkeys it's easy to get blinded by rage. I've done the same thing and I never even knew I was so angry until it came out. Years ago in my city there were pink patrols who'd watch out for gay people being attacked. They should make a comeback.

Why is it that authorities not releasing the suspect’s name or photo? I know he’s a minor, but he allegedly killed a random stranger and is on the run. Being 17 does not make him any less of a danger to the public.

R89 it’s par for the course in reporting when a suspect is of a certain religion.

[quote]R59: Excuse me for a moment, I'm just going to call in a welfare check on PoisonedDragon. He should have arrived on this thread eight hours ago.

How sweet of you to care. But broad attempts to hold cultures/religions responsible for things done by individuals is not typically my bag. It's par for the course for trolls. And I don't do outrage.

R90's is a particularly stupid remark. If the assailant 𝑖𝑠 in fact a minor, that's why his name has not yet been released to the public, full stop. And if he hasn't yet been apprehended and charged, even more so. It has nothing to do with deference to his particular throwback religion.

How many posters in the thread caught OP's clever reference to Madonna?

^I imagine everyone.

It wasn't that clever.

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R6, that location is nowhere near Kensington or Flatbush. It is a predominantly Jewish neighborhood, most Sephardic, with some White Gentiles, Muslims, Asians. It is also miles away from the shitshow that is Coney Island. Coney Island Avenue is 4 or 5 miles long.

Keep letting the Muzzies in and we’ll have beheadings and gays thrown off buildings.

The 🕍 of ☮️

One thing you’ll notice is that the Yaaaassss Kweens are highlighting that a gay black man was killed but avoiding the attacker’s ethnicity at all costs, as it doesn’t fit their narrative. If it were a European white they’d be in a tizzy.

R95 "that location is nowhere near Kensington or Flatbush."

"Nowhere near" would be Timbuktu. If you are running outside to walk your dog,that Mobil station is "not close" to Kensington...but by anyone's standards, it is close to Kensington. About 2 miles.

R100 did she give his family some of that Dubai blood money she got?

5 O'Clock TV news report says NYPD has name of murderer, now searching to him.

R99 if you're R6, Kensington is not predominantly black. Zip Code 11218 is only 10% black, 19% (with many Pakistani and Bengalis) and 57% White. Midwood has basically more Whites and fewer Asians. Flatbush is overwhelmingly black, primarily Caribbean. The R6 was completely false and ridiculous.

It looks like this was really bums, losers going nowhere fast making life miserable, they are a dime a dozen in Brooklyn. I think it was a hate crime, his mentioning his religion is really irrelevant. He's a homophobe, he committed a hate crime and is now, thankfully, fucked.

^^^19% Asian

Thanks for linking to a paywall site, op.

One of Sibley's friends, Otis Pena, posted about the incident on Facebook, mourning the loss of his "brother" and accusing his killers of being motivated by hate.

"They hate us cause we are gay," he wrote. "Screaming we Muslim and we don't like gays!!!!! As we are innocently pumping gas and y'all decided to stab one of us!!!"

Pena included numerous photos from the scene showing his hand red from Sibley's blood, which also covered the sidewalk where he was killed.

Sibley moved to New York from Philadelphia to pursue a career in dancing. He has been remembered as "funny, unique, charismatic and [someone who] always knew how to have a good time."

His death caused widespread outrage, and even caught the attention of Mayor Eric Adams. "This young man was experiencing a hate crime," he said. "We will find this person. It shakes our confidence."

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[quote] A video posted online allegedly shows the head of Iran's culture and Islamic guidance in Gilan province, Reza Tsaghati, having sex with another man.

It would make an interesting betting pool which will happen. Either the guy will be thrown off a roof or forced to surgically transition

So the killer is Arab?

R107, my guess is either Yemeni, Pakistani or Bangladeshi.

R105 You are dumb. NY Daily News is free as long as you limit yourself to 15 articles a month and as long as they do not move free content to premium content.

You are hostile. If you cannot figure the aforementioned out, use the magic Google and behold about 10,000 media articles on the same topic.

If all else fails, call me up and I will read it to you over the phone: 1-212-EAT-SHIT.

R108 Or Egyptian.

It is worth pausing over every murder that goes on in this city. But a brutal killing this week deserves special attention.

Not least because it tells us something it appears we don’t want to know.

O’Shae Sibley was a talented 28-year-old dancer and choreographer.

He was stabbed to death last Saturday night at a gas station in Brooklyn.

This drew the attention of another group of men at the station.

Words were exchanged and Sibley was stabbed. His friends and some bystanders called 911 and tried to help him.

But he bled to death on the sidewalk.

Sibley happened to be black and gay.

Normally either of these things — let alone both — would attract serious attention from the media and campaign groups.

Yet while the killing has widely been reported as a “hate crime,” 𝙞𝙩 𝙞𝙨 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙬𝙧𝙤𝙣𝙜 𝙨𝙤𝙧𝙩 𝙤𝙛 “𝙝𝙖𝙩𝙚 𝙘𝙧𝙞𝙢𝙚.” One that doesn’t fit the dominant, enforced narrative of our time.

Had the group who confronted Sibley and his friends been white and shouted that they didn’t like gay people, or black people, this country would be in meltdown right now.

Every Presidential candidate would be condemning it.

All the “community groups” who make a profession out of campaigning against “hate” would be in full fund-raising mode.

The New York Times would have cleared the pages for days of reflections on what this said about America.

But that is not what happened.

Here’s what happened according to the people who were there.

One of the friends who was with Sibley when he was murdered posted a photo on social media of the bloodied sidewalk and wrote: “They hated us cause we are gay! Screaming we Muslim and we don’t like gays!!!!! As we are innocently pumping gas and y’all decided to stab one of us!!! #justice.”

Yet there is a second witness who has spoken to a local website.

An employee at the gas station said : “These people were like ‘We’re Muslim, I don’t want you dancing.’ The gay people, they were not trying to fight.”

Yet these facts don’t fit the narrative. The victim was gay and black. The perpetrator was Muslim.

Our era is obsessed with “hate-crimes.” So much so that it sees them in places where they don’t even happen.

Yet last Saturday in Brooklyn was a hate crime. And the media are actually covering it up.

All because Sibley’s assailants were not hood-wearing members of the KKK or “MAGA” hat-wearing Republicans.

Instead they come from another group that our media identifies as a victim class.

The fact that the men were Muslim is why the media has been actively dishonest in its reporting.

The New York Times has written about the case. But it has not bothered to inform its readers of why Sibley bled out on a Brooklyn sidewalk.

But because the identity and motive of the perpetrators are an awkward glitch in that paper’s big narrative the Times simply covered over the facts.

The 𝙂𝙪𝙖𝙧𝙙𝙞𝙖𝙣 𝙬𝙚𝙣𝙩 𝙤𝙣𝙚 𝙬𝙤𝙧𝙨𝙚. 𝙏𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙥𝙖𝙥𝙚𝙧 𝙦𝙪𝙤𝙩𝙚𝙙 𝙎𝙞𝙗𝙡𝙚𝙮’𝙨 𝙛𝙧𝙞𝙚𝙣𝙙 𝙬𝙝𝙤 𝙄 𝙦𝙪𝙤𝙩𝙚𝙙 𝙖𝙗𝙤𝙫𝙚, 𝙗𝙪𝙩 𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙮 𝙖𝙘𝙩𝙪𝙖𝙡𝙡𝙮 𝙚𝙙𝙞𝙩𝙚𝙙 𝙤𝙪𝙩 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙙𝙚𝙩𝙖𝙞𝙡 𝙖𝙗𝙤𝙪𝙩 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙖𝙩𝙩𝙖𝙘𝙠𝙚𝙧𝙨 𝙗𝙚𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙈𝙪𝙨𝙡𝙞𝙢 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙬𝙤𝙧𝙙𝙨 𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙮 𝙨𝙖𝙞𝙙.

The Guardian happy to leave its readers with the impression that white Christian rednecks or Orthodox Jews might have carried out the killing.

Shamefully the gay press has done the same.

Some gay groups have even tried to link the killing to recent debates about transgender issues.

Obviously such false reporting is another reason why so many people don’t trust the media these days.

But this cover-up also displays an appalling cowardice.

Nobody should be murdered because of who they are. But nor should a murderer be given cover because of who they are.

The most that newspaper could bring itself to say was that an eyewitness said that the perpetrators mentioned “defending their religious beliefs” during the confrontation.”

Apparently dancing to Beyonce can be an assault on some peoples’ religious beliefs.

I dislike the Post but glad they are calling attention to this bias.

I love a good protest but Vogueing as a sign of protest is far too complicated to ask of people. Although that twat Madonna should show up. Sibley was like a throwback to the Blonde Ambition tour dancers.

“The killing has shocked New Yorkers and galvanized the gay community with grief. Some are planning vigils and others have called on the public to gather at the Mobil gas station on Coney Island Avenue and “vogue as an act of resistance,” a reference to the stylized dancing that Mr. Sibley and his friends performed, one that mimics models’ poses and blurs the lines of gender.”

Gift article linked for you cheap sluts. Yes, I’m talking to you R105.

"why you dancing, I'm Muslim"

Nobody gives a fuck what you are, you islamist PIG. The fucking entitlement given he knows where he is, a free country. But keep bringing them into western countries. They DO NOT assimilate.

And a preemptive FUCK YOU to anyone who incandescently stupid enough to confuse facts with "racism". Fuck their religion and fuck them.

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[quote]there was clearly a lengthy confrontation with lots of exchanged words.

Greta Garbo, Marilyn Monroe, Marlene Dietrich, Joe DiMaggio, Marlon Brando, Jimmy Dean, Grace Kelly, Jean Harlow, Gene Kelly, Fred Astaire, Ginger Rogers, Rita Hayworth, Lauren Bacall, Katharine Hepburn, Lana Turner and Bette Davis.

R118 When Vogue came out, Madonna pronounced "Lana" with such a hard "a" that some thought the lyric was "Vanna" as in "Vanna White"—lol—as opposed to "Lana" as in Lana Turner!

They had style, they had grace Rita Hayworth gave good face Lauren, Katherine, Lana too Bette Davis, we love you

Then, later, Julie Brown embraced that in her parody song:

"Vanna White, Ed McMahon. Nic-o-lette Sher-i-dan Mary Hart, Chuck Woolery, are as vague as they can be

Brooke Shields, Dawber, Pam- personality of Spam

Christie Brinkley, Brosnan, Pierce- bland and boring, something fierce!

Wilson Phillips loved to sing, and wreck the cover of a magazine

Daniel Quayle's brain is gone Debbie Gibson gives good yawn! Kelly LeBrock thinks she's great- she's just cold boogers on a paper plate

Why they're famous, we don't know

But Paula Abdul's gotta go!

The suspect in the deadly gas station stabbing of O’Shae Sibley is in police custody after turning himself in at a Brooklyn station house, a senior law enforcement official said. The suspect’s name has not yet been released by police.

New York City Councilwoman Inna Vernikov said on Twitter that the man turned himself in on Friday and was in custody. A senior law enforcement official confirmed that the individual was in custody.

The suspect is going to claim self defense. If I read early reports correctly, the fight conflict had simmered down and the two groups were moving away from each other and then Sibley decided to charge the perp. Who then stabbed Sibley.

Where was Daniel Penny when you needed him to do a two-fer?

Too bad we can’t stone them to death the way they do in their native countries…

Reporting the arrest, NBC linked above and ABC each whitewash the Muslim cause of the murder

NBC -- another group of young men seemingly took offense to something.

ABC -- Surveillance video shows Sibley was confronted by a group apparently yelling homophobic slurs.

Typical

What have Muslim-American LGBTQ activists said?

Have NAACP and Black Lives Matter come out in support of their voguing gay brothers? The Rev Al Sharpton?

The killer turned himself into to the cops

R126 Ha! The majority of the black community has issues with gay men. They invented the “down low.”

Well from the article I just looked at in r127, r126

[Quote]Spike Lee posted a tribute on Instagram for Sibley to "Rest in Power," which is the same message posted on Beyoncé's website

Beyonce sending representative to O’Shea Sibley’s funeral

R128 you’re supernaturally stupid, aren’t you? Maybe the term “down low” was created by the black community, but we didn’t create the practice…what a dumb motherfucker you are!

R131 “Supernaturally?” Kudos to you for your linguistic creativity.

Black women, in particular, are among the biggest homophobes around. Particularly in regard to black men. They will tolerate—to a degree—an utterly mincing queen—think “eunuch”-but if you demonstrate an iota of masculinity, the hostility emerges.

Wahhh you hurt my feelings bro…

Only on Datalounge would a thread about a black gay man being killed by someone who's not black, turn into a discussion about how homophobic black women are.

R134 Yup. It’s positively…supernatural!

R134, it's either that or it turning into a Golden Girls thread.

I suddenly feel very sad about this man…

I agree, R137. It is very, very sad.

Blq wmn are vile in their homophobia. They’ll say the rudest shit to you.

And some of the most racist people I’ve met are gay white men. So there’s that.

R140 ok… sure it’s true, but blk women are still homophobic as fuck

The muslim ones are, anyway.

Lots of people gathered and danced at the site of the murder last night.

There is going to be a gathering at the Trans Center followed by a march to Christopher and the Hudson.

R144 when???

It started at 6 PM, R145

Officially charged with a hate crime

[Quote]The 17-year-old suspected of fatally stabbing O’Shae Sibley has been charged with murder as a hate crime and criminal possession of a weapon, New York officials said Saturday.

Stay home and way hummus kids.

Eat**

So perps were not black ?

R150 - proudly demonstrated he has not clicked one link, read one news article watched one video - about this crime to which he now chooses to join the discussion, in a thread he has not read.

A 17-year-old has been charged with murder in the killing of O’Shae Sibley, who was stabbed to death on July 29 after a dispute over his dancing at a Brooklyn gas station.

Who cares? The world does not need to acquiesce to your religion:

“Summy Ullah, a 32-year-old gas station attendant who witnessed the confrontation, said one of the men who approached Mr. Sibley and his friends had said: “I’m Muslim. I don’t want this here.”

So this was a racist incident, too:

“The men yelled homophobic slurs and anti-Black statements at Mr. Sibley, who was Black, and his friends, Mr. Kenny said, all while demanding they stop dancing.”

Where is the larger black community representation? Oh right...he is gay so the larger black community does not care"

“At the news conference on Saturday, flanked by leaders from the city’s gay and Muslim communities, Mr. Adams emphasized that Mr. Sibley’s killing was not evidence of hatred directed at L.G.B.T.Q. people by Muslims in New York, and spoke about how both groups have been victims of hate. The two communities “stand united against fighting any form of hate in this city,” he said.”

Just don’t elect any to your City Council…they will make your rights disappear.

I wonder who Beyonce is sending as her "representative" to his funeral. Michelle? Mama Tina? Solange?

[quote]Adams emphasized that Mr. Sibley’s killing was not evidence of hatred directed at L.G.B.T.Q. people by Muslims in New York, and spoke about how both groups have been victims of hate.

Yep, another crime that's whitey's fault. Really, what crime isn't?

Spineless statement by Adams. It WAS muslim hatred of black gays. OBVIOUSLY. These mealy mouthed politicians are terrible.

They hate white gays too

[quote] These mealy mouthed politicians are terrible.

Yet datalounge and the media would hate even worse any politician who offers straight talk on the issue.

Has the HRC commented? Probably not.

I hope that waste of skin who killed him spends the rest of his life in prison being raped and beaten up.

I hope so 👆🏼. But he’s Muslim . Prepare to be disappointed

Dave Chappelle must be torn between which team to root for in this incident. I wonder what his take is. Maybe it’ll be in his next stand up show.

"Security camera video showed the two groups arguing for a few minutes. Both sides had walked away when Sibley and a friend abruptly returned and again confronted one of the young men, who had stayed behind recording on his phone. In the video, Sibley could be seen following the teen and then lunging at him before the two disappeared out of the camera’s view. A moment later, he walks backward into view, checking his side, and then collapses to the sidewalk."

This trial is going to be messy and the perp is going to get involuntary manslaughter at most. A good lawyer will get him off on "self-defense". I don't want that result to be probably but the situation is not clear.

The black men were unquestionably the subject to race based verbal harassment but once the conflict turned physical it becomes messy.

Then the fight had ended and Sibley was not in any danger.

Then Sibley CHOSE to return and jump the muslim 17yo, for video taping them.

The 17yo is going to argue he feared for his life, perhaps by a bigger and stronger man, so he overreacted out of self preservation. Sadly, it is a good argument.

I doubt it, R160. We wouldn't want to ruin the poor boy's life by keeping him in prison for decades. He needs to be rehabilitated and out on the street as soon as possible. He's the real victim in this whole situation 🙄. The sight of black gay men dancing in swim trunks made him so angry, he lost his mind. It could happen to anyone.

The gay guy was meant to bleed out.

Al-Qadr is the belief nothing happens unless it is according to Allah's will.

R163, the video does seem to show Sibley lunging at the Muslim kid but I wonder if Sibley lunged because he saw the knife and went for it to disarm the kid. We don't see what happens around the corner but we are able to clearly see the knife just before the stabbing.

R163, the video does seem to show Sibley lunging at the Muslim kid but I wonder if Sibley lunged because he saw the knife and went for it to disarm the kid. We don't see what happens around the corner but we are able to clearly see the knife just before the stabbing.

Sorry for the double post. DL is acting wonky for me this morning..

I've viewed the video several times and have never seen any footage of Sibley lunging at the kid. All I've ever seen is the kid and Sibley appearing to walk together, rather casually, out of camera range, then suddenly you see the kid jumping back into range, which was the moment at which presumably he had just stabbed Sibley. Now maybe the video I saw was edited but that's all I've seen of the incident up to this point.

well the trial is going to be messy. There were points were both parties could have walked away with no bodily harm. Sibley friends were retreating, Sibley with them. The muslim kids friends were retreating. Opposite directions. Something provoked Sibley to reengage but it meant moving back into danger, or perhaps at that point, he became the aggressor, and the muslim teen was deadly ready. Or some other scenario entirely.

What is clear is that the rumble was verbal for the most part, and the muslim teens didn't gang up on the black men with bodily force and in the process stab Sibley.

Won’t be any riots / protests. Victim is gay and perp is Muslim .

HA

The killer was Dmitriy Popov. A white teen born in the US to Russian parents. He comes from a Christian family, wore a cross, and has no connection to the Muslim religion.

Just a story he made up to pretend to be Muslim

Oh no, the trolls are going to be so disappointed.

Yikes and there will be more surprises.

[quote] "I used to walk around NYC mouthing off to anyone who even looked at me wrong. I had confrontations with shady characters on the subway multiple times. Would yell at crack heads for acting like crack heads. Don’t know what the fuck I was thinking!"

Hot. 🔥

And for the record: this incident stirred up some very hateful feelings in me, most of which I believe were warranted. This is absolutely heartbreaking, and I hope they nail that murderous fuck to the wall.

[quote]The killer was Dmitriy Popov. a white teen born in the US to Russian parents.

Ah, Russia. Another gay positive culture.

r172 It's disgusting that he made comments suggesting he was Muslim as a cover. Fuck him for inciting hatred towards Muslims.

Russian gay violence towards gay men in the US is not unheard of. Neither is plain old homophobia (Matthew Shephard anyone?). I'm not saying that Muslims have an unblemished history when it comes to gay men, (Pulse nightclub), just that it's really not necessary to do a full-on attack on every Muslim, everywhere in the world, whenever there's a gay murder.

r177 about 10% of the population of Russia is Muslim.

[quote] it's really not necessary to do a full-on attack on every Muslim, everywhere in the world, whenever there's a gay murder.

Of course there isn't. However the instances of such attacks will rise as Muslims spread and gain influence in America. Christianity had a Reformation. Islam never has.

It says elsewhere that this guy was from a Christian family and wore a cross.......

R180 if Christianity has a “reformation” (the 16th century one???) then why did this Christian kill this guy for being gay?

Are all the anti Muslim commenters from upthread going to acknowledge their error and recant what they said? Now that it’s a white Christian American guy at the center of it.

"On the other hand, according to data from the General Social Survey in the United States "32% of those raised Muslim no longer embrace Islam in adulthood, and 18% hold no religious identification".[118] and according to Pew Research, the number of American converts to Islam is roughly equal to the number of American Muslims who leave the religion.[119]"

Muslims constitute about 1.1% of the US population. I'm not feeling the anxiety about their relentless spread as you are , r180, especially as we see above that in the US, ONE=THIRD of those raised Muslim in the US no longer embrace Islam in adulthood.

Russians are such assholes

R184 he’s American.

Yes he was born and raised here. Though his parents are Russian immigrants.

Maybe his parents and his church instilled in him a hatred of gay men, R185.

R179, please read the article at R172.

Not surprisingly, the Russian immigrants who attacked and killed Satender Singh / R178 attended evangelical churches which taught them that homosexuality was an abomination. The Russian man who threw the fatal punch, Andrey Vusik, escaped to Russia.

R187 yea and maybe he’s just a regular white American.

When everyone thought he was Muslim it was all of a sudden the shared responsibility of every Muslim alive and every Muslim American…and now that he’s a white American it’s all of a sudden his immigrant status, or his Russian heritage that’s the issue.

This is because white Americans view themselves as a multi-faceted group of people with many different types, whereas they look at any group that’s not them as singular and unified, this is especially true of white people that don’t know any (for instance) Muslim people, or black people personally.

You’re able to make a distinction to separate any connection between you and him (the murderer), whereas if it’s a Muslim person, or a black person, they’re all the same. The way this thread is going is such a perfect illustration of this.

R179 So what? What's your point? According to the article shared above my post, the killer is a "good Christian boy", according to his lawyer.

R172, there may be riots now

Russian? That’s even worse. Homophobic AND anti black. A gutter culture despite the nation’s contribution to art, literature and music.

[quote] The Russian man who threw the fatal punch, Andrey Vusik, escaped to Russia.

And directly into conscription.

So is this gay panic defense? Or just self defense? And a big WTF to this: Boris gave the thumb's up the family of the boy he stabbed to death?! Am I reading this correctly?

"The family of the suspect – his mother and grandmother – were in court and declined comment to CNN. The teen gave them a thumbs up as he exited the courtroom."

Read that again r194. He gave a thumps up to his own family.

Still kinda odd, but not nearly as fucked up.