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Oregon St Researchers Overreact to Mocking Student Responses to Their LGBQT Survey

"Academic researchers condemned students’ irreverent and offensive responses to an LGBTQ survey, claiming the pushback indicates “fascist ideologues” are “living ‘inside the house’ of engineering and computer science.”

In an article for the Bulletin of Applied Transgender Studies, academics from Oregon State University wrote about their shock at receiving sarcasm and mockery in response to their research into undergraduate LGBTQ students studying in STEM fields. "

"The research team declared that the mockery they received “had a profound impact on morale and mental health,” particularly for one transgender researcher who was “already in therapy for anxiety and depression regarding online anti-trans rhetoric.”

The paper claimed that “managing the study’s data collection caused significant personal distress, and time had to be taken off the project to heal from traumatic harm” of having to read students’ responses in the survey.

The scholars concluded the “malicious responses” indicate that fascism has become a common ideology in engineering and computer science academia. "

"Saying the solution for the rise of fascism is to change education itself, the team wrote, “The university at its most ideal can be envisioned as ‘a central site for revolutionary struggle, a site where we can work to educate for critical consciousness’ using ‘a pedagogy of liberation.'”

It was suggested the plight of transgender citizens be used as a teachable example of “experiences with power and oppression — and that categories such as race, gender, and sexuality have roots in European colonial logics shared by fascist movements.”

Engineering in particular, they argued, is a critical field to teach their far-left ideology because such graduates “frequently work in fields such as fossil fuels, defense, construction, and technology upon graduation, and could be taught about these field’s relationships with national and global racial capitalism and ongoing apartheid in Palestine, as an example.”"

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by Anonymousreply 97July 30, 2023 10:51 PM

“Moar clicks for Murdaugh”

Yeah, nerd boys suck and get sucked into alt-right bullshit. Not news. See Gamergate.

The big joke is that it’s the same nerd boys who transition to female in adulthood after they calm the heck down.

by Anonymousreply 1July 22, 2023 7:41 PM

OP linked to the NY Post

Right-wing troll

by Anonymousreply 2July 22, 2023 7:42 PM

r2 is a moron. Its a study published in Bulletin of Applied Transgender Studies and their far far far left viewpoints are goofy. Its world class pearl clutching.

by Anonymousreply 3July 22, 2023 7:46 PM

[quote]“The university at its most ideal can be envisioned as ‘a central site for revolutionary struggle, a site where we can work to educate for critical consciousness’ using ‘a pedagogy of liberation.'”

ie -- grooming and indoctrination

by Anonymousreply 4July 22, 2023 7:47 PM

More clicks for Murdoch. Great.

by Anonymousreply 5July 22, 2023 7:49 PM

How DARE they disagree with us and not respond to our baiting questions as we wanted them to! They’re idealogical fascists!! We DEMAND their immediate expulsion from OUR university! Dissent will NOT be tolerated! This WILL be a SAFE SPACE!

by Anonymousreply 6July 22, 2023 7:55 PM

It all started when both, the homosexual and heterosexual transgenders realized that the heterosexual community would never be inclusive to them but the homosexuals were more than willing to embrace them as equals. Now we have a community where some people are exclusively sexually oriented to the opposite sex and with a kink for wearing female clothing.

by Anonymousreply 7July 22, 2023 7:59 PM

Math focused white incels, anyone who’s been close to an engineering school, or has gone on to the maker and engineering parts of 4Chan, knows the type.

by Anonymousreply 8July 22, 2023 8:00 PM

People who are that fragile actually SHOULD kill themselves.

by Anonymousreply 9July 22, 2023 8:04 PM

I’m a little surprised to see it from college students, but high schoolers and below, are notorious for being what are called “mischievous responders” on surveys, and it’s just something you have to learn to deal with. It can be difficult sometimes if they’re being subtle, so it’s always a good idea to have additional questions to validate the most important ones (basically you ask similar questions in a couple of different ways and spread them throughout the survey, and if you see, they answered one way on one question, but differently on another, you have to figure out if it was a mistake or you actually have a mischievous responder. If you see lots of it on one individuals, survey responses, then you know for sure that they’re being mischievous).

I do a lot of surveys and I have to do them for populations of gay men sometimes. But I feel like there could be a conflict of interest when researchers are asking questions about a population that they are part of. In my case, I’m always asking questions about HIV risk behaviors or STI histories, so not too many open-ended questions, and no real enticement for people to lie, or leave malicious comments. But I have seen some in surveys that I did not create myself, but had to analyze, and people can be pretty obnoxious with their responses. Especially when the survey is long and the questions are long and feel repetitive.

If I felt like I had a real personal investment in the results of the survey, I would ask somebody else to do it. I would not do it myself. I’ve never had to do that but if it were to happen, I would definitely have someone else create and analyze the results.

I mean, just including the fact that the survey results were so distressing “particularly for one transgender researcher who was already in therapy for anxiety and depression regarding online anti-trans rhetoric” tells me that this was not a good plan. And if I were to encounter malicious responses, there’s no way in hell I would write a paper about it to say that anybody I worked with was in therapy already. That just seems like an unprofessional and total conflict of interest problem.

But, I get what they are saying. The rhetoric around transgender people is making its way into academic fields, and they are right that these are potentially engineers that are going to be conservative and not conscientious about environmental concerns or potential public health risks when they should be. We don’t want to train a bunch of engineers that are perfectly fine with poisoning our drinking water, do we? I would report the survey responses were likely not representative and were malicious or mischievous responders, but I wouldn’t say someone needed to go to therapy because of it. I wouldn’t have someone who would need to go to therapy because of it working on the project in the first place.

by Anonymousreply 10July 22, 2023 8:14 PM

R4, now do Liberty University, BYU, and Bob Jones if you want to see some actual indoctrination

Or just read any article from the New York Post

They make stuff up to attack liberals. Like that story about Kamala handing out copies of her book at the border, or the one about the homeless veterans

by Anonymousreply 11July 22, 2023 8:16 PM

Math focused engineering types see through the bullshit. 2+2 = 4 no matter your orientation or political philosophy.

That drives the ideologues up the wall.

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by Anonymousreply 12July 22, 2023 8:16 PM

[quote]People who are that fragile actually SHOULD kill themselves.

Nobody should be encouraged to kill themselves, but if you feel they should be, please, by all means, demonstrate it for them on yourself.

by Anonymousreply 13July 22, 2023 8:17 PM

Revolution and coddling rarely go together. Sorry, you're going to have to pick one or the other.

by Anonymousreply 14July 22, 2023 8:21 PM

Trollin' trollin' trollin'

Keep the hatred rollin'

Sieg heil!

by Anonymousreply 15July 22, 2023 8:29 PM

If an article in the Post " caused significant personal distress, and time had to be taken off the project to heal from traumatic harm” you might instead refer to the original article

Bulletin of Applied Transgender Studies Vol. 2, No. 1–2: 67–94.

I mourn for the poor man(?) driven to thems bed by the words "attack helicopter".

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by Anonymousreply 16July 22, 2023 8:36 PM

R14 probably thinks students are too fragile to read books about Rosa Parks.

by Anonymousreply 17July 22, 2023 8:36 PM

Nope, not at all r17. Can't imagine how you got that? Are you kind of slow and stupid about most things?

by Anonymousreply 18July 22, 2023 8:37 PM

[quote]In an article for the Bulletin of Applied Transgender Studies, academics from Oregon State University wrote about their shock at receiving sarcasm and mockery in response to their research into undergraduate LGBTQ students studying in STEM fields. "

What does LGB have to do with Transgender studies?

by Anonymousreply 19July 22, 2023 8:38 PM

R18 is the slow one. That's why he reads the New York Post

by Anonymousreply 20July 22, 2023 8:39 PM

R19 is so fragile, can't handle trans people

Republicans are so tender to the touch

by Anonymousreply 21July 22, 2023 8:40 PM

[quote] The paper claimed that “managing the study’s data collection caused significant personal distress, and time had to be taken off the project to heal from traumatic harm” of having to read students’ responses in the survey.

Next time, pussycat, choose a line of work that doesn’t involve asking other people to share their honest opinions.

by Anonymousreply 22July 22, 2023 8:40 PM

Got it, you're a weird little moron who can barely function outside of a very carefully controlled environment. Thanks for sharing r20 and bless your heart.

by Anonymousreply 23July 22, 2023 8:42 PM

Frat Boys are snarky. News at eleven...

by Anonymousreply 24July 22, 2023 8:43 PM

[quote]Republicans are so tender to the touch

Means nothing to me.

by Anonymousreply 25July 22, 2023 8:48 PM

How was this an overreaction? The rise of the alt-right anti-gay movement is legitimately upsetting and frightening for us gay folks.

Fuck right off Maga scum OP.

by Anonymousreply 26July 22, 2023 9:06 PM

[quote] How was this an overreaction? The rise of the alt-right anti-gay movement is legitimately upsetting and frightening for us gay folks.

boogs booga

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by Anonymousreply 27July 22, 2023 9:11 PM

[quote]In an article for the Bulletin of Applied Transgender Studies, academics from Oregon State University wrote about their shock at receiving sarcasm and mockery in response to their research into undergraduate LGB[bold]TQ[/bold] students studying in STEM fields. "

[quote]What does LGB have to do with Transgender studies?

Hmm, if only we could figure this out somehow. This is a real brain stumper. Maybe there’s a clue right in front of our noses that could tell us what population the research was about and if it included trans people somehow. 🤷🏻

I don’t know. Guess we’ll never figure out the connection.

by Anonymousreply 28July 22, 2023 9:12 PM

r26 The study was for a TRANS journal not a gay one. Fuck right off illiterate scum.

by Anonymousreply 29July 22, 2023 9:16 PM

[quote]Hmm, if only we could figure this out somehow. This is a real brain stumper.

I guess they overlap like they do with straight people but aren't the same thing at all.

by Anonymousreply 30July 22, 2023 9:31 PM

Once you’ve decided that someone offending you is the same thing as someone damaging you, you’ve disqualified yourself from any job that requires you to talk to other people. Grow the fuck up.

by Anonymousreply 31July 22, 2023 9:37 PM

If the LGBT community should be spliced into separate groups, it should be biological males vs. biological females. Gay men and trans women are hated not for being biological men, but for defying male norms. In contrast, lesbians and trans men are primarily hated for being biological women, not as much for being gender non-conforming, because it’s more acceptable to aspire to masculinity than the other way around.

by Anonymousreply 32July 22, 2023 9:54 PM

For anyone without a research background, what they're calling "malicious responses" is usually referred to as "mischievous responders," and it's something you have to be prepared to deal with when you poll young people or when you ask questions about topics like sex or LGBTQ+ issues.

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by Anonymousreply 33July 22, 2023 10:19 PM

[quote]Oregon St Researchers Overreact to Mocking Student Responses to Their LGBQT Survey

Were they really "researchers" or simply people putting out a survey to confirm their own beliefs?

Real researchers know how to structure a survey and spend ungodly hours considering the order in which questions are asked, how they questions are worded, and actually provide a range of questions which act to affirm and refute other questions.

It sounds like the "researchers" wanted validation, not information.

by Anonymousreply 34July 22, 2023 11:24 PM

R33, sincere question and I’m already assuming the answer may be yes. Are you a physician by any chance? I’ll tell you why when I hear what you say.

by Anonymousreply 35July 23, 2023 4:02 AM

“How many hours per week do you dilate?”

by Anonymousreply 36July 23, 2023 5:00 AM

r16

Bruh, the responses though...

[quote]Gender | 1 I identify as a gift card | Racial / Ethnic Identities | I’m an ethnic gift card | Disability (if indicated) | I don’t have enough gift cards

[quote]Gender | 2 Aerosol | Racial / Ethnic Identities | Afro/Klingon-Asiatic Galapogayation | Disability (if indicated) | Being 2.86% white

[quote] Gender | 26 Hermaphrodite | Racial / Ethnic Identities | African American | Disability (if indicated) | Transgenderism

[quote]Gender | 28 I identify as a boy when I’m getting fucked and a girl when I’m the one fucking. My dick goes inside out so it changes | Racial / Ethnic Identities | I’m black on the inside but when I’m a boy I like getting my white ass fucked, you know what I’m sayin’ broh? | Disability (if indicated) | I’m sexually attracted to the thought of being eaten alive. I know this sounds like a joke, but I’m being serious. I’m a macrophile/vorephile and I jack off almost every night to the thought of a giantess women shoving me up her ass (to dip me in her sauce) and then throwing my body into her giant mouth. This isn’t a joke. I’m sexually suicidal and I jack off to death. The doctors say I have a disease but I find that really fucking hard to believe

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They didn't think this through.

by Anonymousreply 37July 23, 2023 6:17 AM

[quote] Disability (if indicated) | I don’t have enough gift cards

I'd love to have seen the "researcher" as they read that

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by Anonymousreply 38July 23, 2023 6:29 AM

Oh, they went in...

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[quote][bold]What are your strengths and skills in engineering and computer science classrooms or projects?[/bold] I am trans obviously I will have a job regardless of my skills thanks to diversity quotas inspired by surveys such as these. - #15 I don’t actually have any skills I’m just a diversity “affirmative action” student. - #43

[quote][bold]Are there any comments that you would like to share with the research team?[/bold] While I of course do not condone bullying or discrimination, I wish people in universities (especially the faculty) would not focus so much on gender and identity. That doesn’t matter. Just let people do their thing and teach them how to do Gauss eliminations and whatnot. - #47 Please do some research on something that will actually benefit the human race. This notion that these quacks are normal is crazy. Honestly, they make engineering courses more a pain in the ass. Why cant they just sit down and learn the material like the rest of us and stop making everything about themselves? - #5 How on earth did this study get funding??? - #13

[quote][bold]Are there any comments that you would like to share with the research team?[/bold] Transgenderism and Modern Gender Theory are a manufactured entity created out of a desire to help people, but are factually incorrect and deny any of the unique and valuable differences between men and women that should be celebrated, not taught as falsehoods in order to eliminate any distinctions. Facts don’t care about your feelings, and neither do most Americans. They care about getting a good job and providing for their families, not pandering tendency and neglect of moral or personal responsibility. - #4 Your research is Bullshit and there is no such think [sic] and nonbinary genders you’re either male or female with the rare exception of someone born with both which is probably a result of a genetic disorder therefor if someone thinks they are born in the wrong body they have a mental disorder. -#27

[quote][bold]Do you have friends, classmates or family who support your success in engineering as it relates to your race, sexuality, disability status, religious affiliation, or other identities? If so, how do they provide support for you in your engineering program?[/bold] I really can’t be bothered at this point. You’re ruining genuine scientific disciplines here. There are two genders, male and female. If an engineer creates a bolt and a nut but then whimsically labels them, then they’re not that great of an engineer. - #29

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Some of the responses were genuinely deranged and hateful. The fact they included these types of responses along side them is interesting to say the least.

by Anonymousreply 39July 23, 2023 6:30 AM

[quote]Were they really "researchers" or simply people putting out a survey to confirm their own beliefs?

They were real researchers. If you look at the article, you’ll see that all of them have PhD‘s and there’s one PhD candidate, and almost all of them are engineers themselves.

This wasn’t the results of the study. This was a commentary on the unexpected results they found in the study, and it was very interesting to read, because first, it’s not uncommon to remove invalid responses from a data set if you know that they are invalid and are intentionally designed to skew your results. The appropriate thing to do in a paper that they either have or will publish that has the actual results of the survey would be to say something like “we sent the survey to 3,000 potential participants. We received 732 responses. 58 responses were deemed invalid and not included in the final analysis” and then explain why. But this was really interesting because people never report on a couple of things. They don’t report when there are major problems like this with a study, and two, unless there’s a positive finding, a lot of research never gets published because it’s considered a failure. There’s actually a bias towards publishing research that shows that there’s a difference between two groups rather than that there is no difference between two groups or you accepted the null hypothesis instead of rejecting it. And a lot of researchers have been saying for years, we need to see the failures. We need to see the surveys, the studies, the clinical trials where things did not work out so that we can learn from it, because even a non-result tells us something.

So I can appreciate that they published this. Because it is pretty serious and if it’s happening in engineering, that just means it’s gonna happen in all the other fields eventually and it’s not a sign of a few mischievous responders. It’s much more serious than that. It shows us that there’s a really large number of people out there that could’ve answered the survey honestly and responded to the questions about their feelings around transgender and gender non-conforming people within the survey questions, but without the ridiculousness and the really harmful rhetoric. And I think I agree with them that it is a sign of the sort of terrible culture that we live in where we had a president that was popular among half the country because he was so disgusting and insulting. People are modeling their behavior on that. And I don’t really look forward to a future where everybody talks that way, because I saw that movie. It’s called Idiocracy.

I’ve seen what you might call malicious responders in survey data, but nothing to that extent.

I’m glad they reported it. Because, like I said, that information never really gets shared, and most researchers really want to see it. I’ve never seen a research paper where somebody talked about the problems in the process like that. That was helpful to me and will be to other people who have to deal with surveys.

But yes, they were real researchers, they weren’t looking for confirmation of their bias necessarily, but the sheer bizarreness and hatefulness in some of the comments is definitely report worthy.

And I don’t know if somebody posted above, but what the fuck was up with all the people identifying as helicopters? Is that some incel thing I don’t know about? What does that even mean?

by Anonymousreply 40July 23, 2023 7:03 AM

What? The outrage is Trans outrage?

NO!

by Anonymousreply 41July 23, 2023 7:13 AM

“As authentic as a hard shell taco!” OMG HAND ME THE NEEDLE I CANT TAKE IT

by Anonymousreply 42July 23, 2023 7:30 AM

R49 that's been around since 2015 and originated in a comment, says Reddit. A Google employee claimed he es identifying as a potted plant (it's now scrubbed from Google it seemed), but those two incidents fed the memes.

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by Anonymousreply 43July 23, 2023 7:45 AM

r40 Academics in the liberal arts live in an echo chamber. Normal people can and do have a range of opinions. There was nothing hateful about the comments but they do reflect the cynicism that many hold towards academia. Feelings are trumping reason and it upsets people.

by Anonymousreply 44July 23, 2023 7:50 AM

R40 i meant of course, not 49. And no, PhDs don't necessarily means research is legit. Of course they are biased. The pearl clutching if someone disagrees is a big red flag. Estimates go that at least 60 percent of studies report inaccurate findings and this failure has a variety of reasons. For everyone who is interested, I linked a great article about the so called replicability crisis i just read this week - I highly recommend. On top of that comes the echo chamber which is kind of a publication bias on steroids.

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by Anonymousreply 45July 23, 2023 7:56 AM

""The research team declared that the mockery they received “had a profound impact on morale and mental health,”"

Darlings, this IS why people call you "snowflakes"!

One little experience outside your bubble of coddling and you freak out, and you haven't even set foot outside of academia.

by Anonymousreply 46July 23, 2023 8:24 AM

R40 the Apache helicopter reference comes from a parody graphic illustrating the so-called 157 varieties of gender — in which, after a long list of variations on the classic symbols for male & female, it finishes with a symbol consisting of a circle with rotors on top.

by Anonymousreply 47July 23, 2023 8:42 AM

Ah so the trans-fixated folks are lurking on DL this weekend.

Welcome lurkers, tho I do have a question for you...

Does your wife know you lurk on gay websites? Also, does your wife know you're fixated on trans women?

Look, kinks are fine. Come to terms with yourself. Just jack off to trans porn and let it go - I mean, we all know you jack off to trans porn. No need to aim the anger you have at yourself for your kink at trans people. And no need to drag the gay men of DL into your self-anger. Seek help. Figure yourself out. I promise your life will be much less stressful.

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by Anonymousreply 48July 23, 2023 8:44 AM

[quote][R40] Academics in the liberal arts live in an echo chamber. Normal people can and do have a range of opinions. [bold]There was nothing hateful about the comments but they do reflect the cynicism that many hold towards academia[/bold]. Feelings are trumping reason and it upsets people.

That tells me you didn’t read the paper. It’s full of hateful comments. And not just towards trans people. They go through it section by section and cover the homophobia, the racism, the antisemitism that were expressed in comments, and they included the comments. So you can’t say they’re not hateful if you didn’t read it, and if you read it, you can’t say they’re not hateful.

by Anonymousreply 49July 23, 2023 8:59 AM

The Center for transgender studies is located at Northwestern U. It’s been a tough year for Northwestern,

by Anonymousreply 50July 23, 2023 9:03 AM

[quote]I don’t know if somebody posted above but

This is R40 admitting that he doesn't even read other people's posts, even as he issues one rambling voice-to-text word salad after another.

by Anonymousreply 51July 23, 2023 9:06 AM

[quote]In an article for the Bulletin of Applied Transgender Studies

Is this the new "Introduction to Basket-Weaving"?

by Anonymousreply 52July 23, 2023 11:14 AM

[quote]If an engineer creates a bolt and a nut but then whimsically labels them, then they’re not that great of an engineer. - #29

This response was hilarious.

[quote]They were real researchers. If you look at the article, you’ll see that all of them have PhD‘s and there’s one PhD candidate, and almost all of them are engineers themselves.

A PhD in in WHAT? Based on the sample of questions show, they clearly do NOT have PhDs in social science, statistics, or research methodologies in related fields. They were shopping for responses to validate their own agenda, not doing real research intended to shed light on attitudes in engineering. The questions are so biased and geared to eliciting specific answers that any legitimate peer review of the findings would laugh them out of the building.

by Anonymousreply 53July 23, 2023 2:47 PM

[quote] Bulletin of Applied Transgender Studies

BATS for short, like those found in a belfry.

by Anonymousreply 54July 23, 2023 2:49 PM

[quote]Dr. Haverkamp holds a Ph.D. in Environmental Engineering with a doctoral minor in Queer Studies, a graduate certificate in College and University Teaching, and a Master of Engineering in Environmental Engineering from Oregon State University. She also holds a B.S. in Chemical Engineering from the University of Kansas.

LOL - the lead author.

It's like having a PhD in biology and thinking you're an expert in string theory, astronomy, or law.

by Anonymousreply 55July 23, 2023 2:54 PM

[quote] One respondent claimed to identify as a gift card as their gender.

The very idea!

by Anonymousreply 56July 23, 2023 2:54 PM

Not one of the authors has the background to do this type of research or interpret the results.

by Anonymousreply 57July 23, 2023 2:58 PM

[quote] Haverkamp’s research blends education and queer studies together and is framed around resiliency and desire instead of deficit and damage.

How’s that resiliency coming along?

by Anonymousreply 58July 23, 2023 3:02 PM

I hate being surveyed or giving any kind of information so I'd do something similar probably. I assume it's part of a mind control program and I lash out.

by Anonymousreply 59July 23, 2023 3:19 PM

[quote]I assume it's part of a mind control program and I lash out.

Do you also have a "schizophrenic coworker"?

by Anonymousreply 60July 23, 2023 5:44 PM

R60 yes and they can see me when i jack off (thru the walls)

by Anonymousreply 61July 23, 2023 7:07 PM

[quote]Not one of the authors has the background to do this type of research or interpret the results.

You don’t know the first thing about any of those authors. The first author is an adjunct and not the PI for the project, so you have to look at the last author, who is generally the senior most author and the one in charge. And in this case, it’s someone with over 58 publications. It’s someone with a lot of research experience.

So tell me, how many articles have you published?

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by Anonymousreply 62July 23, 2023 7:35 PM

One million.

by Anonymousreply 63July 23, 2023 10:34 PM

[quote]You don’t know the first thing about any of those authors. The first author is an adjunct and not the PI for the project, so you have to look at the last author, who is generally the senior most author and the one in charge.

All checked all of them. They all have degrees in engineering. None of them have degrees in social sciences or market research, quantitative methods, or statistics.

I'd just as soon ask an engineer to do this type of research as ask them to do surgery. Not even remotely related fields of study.

By the way, none of those studies listed in your link pass the test for academic rigor. They are no more scientific than a DL poll.

by Anonymousreply 64July 23, 2023 10:53 PM

[quote]Feelings are trumping reason and it upsets people.

This. I can "feel like" a millionaire all day. But the second I swipe that debit card for an exorbitant purchase and get declined for insufficient funds, I can't very well demand the merchant just pretend I paid them to "affirm" my identity as a 40 year old rich White guy with good credit.

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by Anonymousreply 65July 24, 2023 12:00 AM

Forgettabout it, Jake—it’s Corvallis…the Ole Miss of PAC-12 universities.

by Anonymousreply 66July 24, 2023 12:18 AM

[quote]By the way, none of those studies listed in your link pass the test for academic rigor. They are no more scientific than a DL poll.

I’m glad you had all day to check out their CVs and read all 58 articles. Please feel free to write a report on the shortcomings of their academic credentials and the methodology flaws in their research. I’ll review it for you.

I am a researcher. It’ easier to turn an engineer into a researcher, than to turn a researcher into an engineer. Trust me, I’ve done it with folks with computer science degrees. I’ve been doing it long enough to know that if you have one experienced researcher, you can have a team that has little or no experience and still get the job done well. And if you’ve been in any of the other anti-trans, anti-non-binary. antisocial threads, you can probably guess who I am. I seem to have developed a bad reputation around here. R51 seems to know who I am.

by Anonymousreply 67July 24, 2023 2:11 AM

[quote]I am a researcher. It’ easier to turn an engineer into a researcher, than to turn a researcher into an engineer. Trust me, I’ve done it with folks with computer science degrees.

I feel sorry for anyone who has ever based any decisions on your research if you think that work meets the any standard of acdemic rigor.

It takes 3 seconds to look at their CVs which note that all of them have engineering degrees without any meaningful training in statistics or research methodologies. As for reading all 58 articles - you can scan the basic methodology section of a handful to see that they those lacked any rigor and infer that the majority of those articles would have adhered to the same woefully low standard.

Again, DL polls, including ones with Vivian Vance as a key response, have more informative results their biased work.

Research 101 - let the data give you the answer. Don't search for data to validate what you've already concluded is the answer.

by Anonymousreply 68July 24, 2023 2:19 AM

I'm with this kid:

[quote] I really can’t be bothered at this point.

by Anonymousreply 69July 24, 2023 2:28 AM

Dilation violation!

by Anonymousreply 70July 24, 2023 2:30 AM

[quote]It takes 3 seconds to look at their CVs which note that all of them have engineering degrees without any meaningful training in statistics or research methodologies

My father is an electrical engineer and knows more about statistics than most social scientists and academic researchers. And don’t feel sorry for the people who based their decisions on my research. I was one of the PrEP researchers. That was not research that could be done by a single experienced researcher. That was seven different clinical trials taking place simultaneously and required many experienced researcher including the PIs, pharmacologist, biostatisticians, medical officers, site coordinators and more. But if you don’t trust my work, stop taking PrEP if you’re on it, because my fingerprints are all over that. (But if you really are on it and are sexually active, I strongly suggest not stopping it because you got into a snit on a gay gossip website. I would actually hate to hear anyone was infected by a preventable disease because they disagree with me. At least trust the other people that worked on it even if you hate me).

But a survey? Anyone with access to surveymonkey could put out a fairly decent survey, and it’ll even do the analysis for you.

But if you would read the article, you would see that they used Qualtrics to collect data and Atlas.ti for qualitative analysis. They didn’t mention any quantitative analysis done since it wasn’t the paper on the main findings of their survey , it was a supplementary article about the problems they encountered.

But go on thinking you’re a research expert and they are less qualified to conduct research than you are.

by Anonymousreply 71July 24, 2023 2:47 AM

[quote] I was one of the PrEP researchers.

You. Mention. This. Shit. In. Every. God. Damn. Thread. No matter the topic. There you are.

STDs on the rise?

[quote] I was one of the PrEP researchers.

Trans thread #152,351,935

[quote] I was one of the PrEP researchers.

Aliens? Real or no?

[quote] I was one of the PrEP researchers.

Inane BRF drama with the Harkles?

[quote] I was one of the PrEP researchers.

My cat just died...

[quote] I was one of the PrEP researchers.

Funny video about cute waving bears?

[quote] I was one of the PrEP researchers.

Sharks literally on crack?

[quote] I was one of the PrEP researchers.

You're exhausting, sir.

by Anonymousreply 72July 24, 2023 3:27 AM

If we as a species only put this much fervor into studying astrophysics and science, we'd have humanities shortage problems. There would be no hunger, no war, we'd have interdimensional time and space travel.

We're stupid.

by Anonymousreply 73July 24, 2023 3:33 AM

R72, 🤣

I love those thread titles. I think I’ve posted that like three times since 2007. But I guess you saw it all three times.

And if I exhaust you, take a nap. Take a multivitamin too. Maybe get checked for anemia. It sounds like a health issue.

by Anonymousreply 74July 24, 2023 4:13 AM

R72, and to be fair, I’ve only ever posted that I do research when somebody tells me I don’t know anything about research. And I’ve only posted that I did the PrEP research when they follow up with “oh God I hope nobody has to rely on the research you’ve done“. It’s my duty to warn them that they probably already do. 😜

If someone starts a thread on “what do you do for a living?” I’ll say I’m an epidemiologist. That’s my go to for any questions about what I do for a living here and with most people in the real world that don’t need to know what I do for a living I will admit that I probably posted that a lot during the pandemic, but for epidemiologists, that was our Olympics. And that was the first time in my life that people finally knew what epidemiologists were and didn’t ask me if that meant I was a skin doctor and I would have to tell them “no … that’s a … dermatologist.”. I’ve posted that way more times without providing any more details. If pressed or if people are talking about HIV, I say that I do HIV research and try to be helpful. And I think I’ve only posted once in the history of this site what my final degree really is and that was inadvertent and something that I choose to not talk about because it would just elicit a bunch of “sure Jan” gifs. I can’t even convince people I’m a gay man and I’m not a trans woman. Or even a real bear. And I’m posting this from the zoo right now. I have a very nice habitat and the Wi-Fi is great.

I post way more in the threads about non-trans things, but I don’t think any of you realize that because I don’t think any of you go into those threads. You should. They’re funny. I think you’re just here to troll about trans people. And you weren’t doing that two years ago, so I’ve been able to slide under your radar for as long as this site has been around.

by Anonymousreply 75July 24, 2023 5:13 AM

r75...

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by Anonymousreply 76July 24, 2023 5:26 AM

R76, Aw, you cared enough to share a video! ❤️. That means you DO care.

by Anonymousreply 77July 24, 2023 5:29 AM

R75 zzzzzzzzz

by Anonymousreply 78July 24, 2023 6:46 AM

Oh boy, here comes our resident 185 IQ expert epidemiologist. Didn't you get enough public humiliation with your last homophohic stunt a couple months ago? When you baited users into sharing childhood stories about our burgeoning sexual orientation only to then reveal that this was all part of some super clever trans activist thought experiment to prove hypocritical people are for not accepting the idea that gender non-conforming kids should have their puberties blocked and placed on a hormonal and surgical pathway.

Get a fucking life. Honestly.

by Anonymousreply 79July 24, 2023 6:57 AM

That sounds like a song, R72…

All the STDs are now on the rise

(I did PrEP research)

I’m so sad that my cat just died

(I did PrEP research)

Aliens: are they real or no?

(I did PrEP research)

Are sharks on crack or just doing blow?

(I did PrEP research)

I’ve invaded threads about the Harkles affairs

And derailed videos of waving bears

I have a lot to say about Johnny Depp

But it’s my destiny to be the king of PrEP

by Anonymousreply 80July 24, 2023 7:56 AM

[quote] Didn't you get enough public humiliation with your last homophohic stunt a couple months ago? When you baited users into sharing childhood stories about our burgeoning sexual orientation only to then reveal that this was all part of some super clever trans activist thought experiment to prove hypocritical people are for not accepting the idea that gender non-conforming kids should have their puberties blocked and placed on a hormonal and surgical pathway.

Nope. Wasn’t humiliated at all and there was nothing homophobic about it. I never asked for people’s stories, but I did prove that the hypocrites that knew they were gay at 5 can’t admit that the trans kids could know they are trans at 5 and THEY were embarrassed. Were you one of them? Did you post you knew you were gay at 5 but embarrassed because you can’t justify that if you did, then trans ate capable of knowing as well?

I didn’t ask you to share your story, but if you did, that was your choice. And a lot of embarrassed gays hate me because I exposed their hypocrisy and double standard.

And you don’t have to flatter me with compliments like “our resident 185 IQ expert epidemiologist”.

It’s high, but it’s not THAT high!! I can’t help being smart and I don’t play games and I don’t play dumb. You play games but you’re just dumb. And you seem to have gotten your feelings hurt over that.

by Anonymousreply 81July 24, 2023 9:15 AM

R80, record that and post it and I’ll make it my ringtone!

by Anonymousreply 82July 24, 2023 9:18 AM

STEM is CANCELLED!!!

by Anonymousreply 83July 24, 2023 9:35 AM

We don’t have to cancel ALL of STEM. Just the engineers. We still need the science, technology, and mathematics.

Drop the E!

by Anonymousreply 84July 24, 2023 9:50 AM

Regarding his being a PrEP researcher, the troll at R74 claimed

[quote]I think I’ve posted that like three times since 2007.

but he actually meant to say

[quote]I think I’ve posted that like three times since [bold]20:07.

by Anonymousreply 85July 24, 2023 10:01 AM

Three times since 2007 :-)

by Anonymousreply 86July 24, 2023 10:58 AM

Dear mr PrEP researcher,

can you give me a good reason why women and girls should see dick in the changing room?

I've asked that question over the years and so far the only responses I've gotten are 'it'll teach girls not to be afraid of penis' and 'they gotta see it somewhere'. I'm sure you can do better than these sparkling specimens of humanity. After all you have a very high IQ ;) Eagerly awaiting your answer.

WhiskerBiscuits

P.S. you don't see Chinese engineers withering into stroppy little jasmine flowers like this.

by Anonymousreply 87July 26, 2023 9:40 AM

R87, I don’t believe you should have to see penises in a women’s dressing room, and I never said so, did I? And how would you know if a Chinese engineer was trans if you couldn’t tell?

by Anonymousreply 88July 26, 2023 4:10 PM

r88, what does that mean tho? 'I don't believe you should have to see penises in a women's dressing room', are you saying the vast majority of transwomen who keep their penises should be kept away from women's spaces? Are you saying all the women and girls who are uncomfortable around males should change somewhere else? Help me understand.

It's interesting the implication in your post that transwomen aren't really women, otherwise why shouldn't naked males be celebrated in women's spaces? I think you're polite in real life but like most people in your situation you don't believe the things you say. Like an atheist singing in the church choir praising God.

There are children in the Congo who dig out cobalt well past their fingers bleeding. These engineers don't deserve sympathy or compassion, they deserve a good hard slap across their lemon sucking faces.

by Anonymousreply 89July 28, 2023 2:31 PM

I simply believe if a trans woman has had gender confirmation surgery and doesn’t have a penis, you wouldn’t see a penis in a women’s changing room and they would likely be more comfortable not changing in a room of men with penises. Not that difficult to understand.

by Anonymousreply 90July 28, 2023 2:40 PM

"It's interesting the implication in your post that transwomen aren't really women"

Honey, human biology doesn't go away when it's no longer wanted, a transwoman can have all the surgery and hormones in the world, and those XY chromosomes will still be there, no matter what a person identifies as. And I'm afraid that the human ability to distinguish between people with XX and XY chromosomes doesn't go away when it's not wanted either, unless a person passes really REALLY well, the perception of biological sex will still be there and will affect any interactions, even in people who would rather die than say so out loud.

One of the things that these trans threads have opened my eyes to, is just how many women are physically afraid of men, or men they don't know. And that fear is not something you're going to talk or same people out of, fear is a survival instinct and also doesn't go away when it's no longer wanted.

by Anonymousreply 91July 28, 2023 3:12 PM

What would be so hard adding a Penis sign to one public bathroom door and a No Penis Sign to the other public bathroom door?

This actually makes sense

by Anonymousreply 92July 28, 2023 3:52 PM

Women’s restrooms don’t have urinals and no one should be walking out of their stall with their genitals exposed, trans women or not. Unless there is a unisex restroom, where should they go? Stand in a corner and discretely piss?

by Anonymousreply 93July 28, 2023 10:27 PM

"What would be so hard adding a Penis sign to one public bathroom door and a No Penis Sign to the other public bathroom door?"

Becaiuse be-penised transwomen have expressed fear that if they go into the men's room, they'll be beaten up or killed.

Funny how transwomen's fear of cismen is taken so seriously that laws have been changed on their behalf, but women's fear of men in dresses is dismissed.

by Anonymousreply 94July 29, 2023 12:27 AM

[quote]hypocrites that knew they were gay at 5 can’t admit that the trans kids could know they are trans at 5

They wouldn't believe they were trans unless they were force fed stereotypes leading to the sexist notion that certain interests make you male and others female.. It's learned behaviour. Give it a rest.

by Anonymousreply 95July 29, 2023 1:00 AM

[quote]They wouldn't believe they were trans unless they were force fed stereotypes leading to the sexist notion that certain interests make you male and others female.. It's learned behaviour. Give it a rest.

Those same stereotypes that we would all grow up to marry someone of the opposite sex and we would have little pre-kindergarten boyfriends and girlfriends didn’t work out so well. If they did, we’d all be straight. And those stereotypes are rooted in exactly the same place. “Oh, she’s gonna grow up to be such a heartbreaker. The boys will be falling all over her.” 🙄

You got boys falling on ya? Want any?

by Anonymousreply 96July 29, 2023 2:01 AM

Keep posting. Let everybody see how much of a stupid, sociopathic homophobe you are.

Sweden, Finland, the UK, and soon Norway have moved away from the "trans kids" craze. You are a fossil clinging to a humiliated, homophobic, sexist practice.

by Anonymousreply 97July 30, 2023 10:51 PM
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