Huh? He's GAY?!!!!: Gay Rumors That Actually Surprised You

It came out when he died, but Sherman Hemsley being gay, having a long term Boyfriend, and doing crack and having an LSD lab shocked me.

I'd heard Sherman was gay, never heard about the crack and LSD!

Arafat didn't die of AIDS, he died of another disease the doctors were very coy to name directly because it's usually precipited (among others) by alcoholism, and Arafat, being a Muslim, would never die of it, and could not have been dying of it, so it was kept under embargo, a veil of mystery, which of course caused even more speculation, opening the door to all sorts of conspiracy theories, AIDS being one of the most prevalent. Arafat died of cirrhosis, which can only be caused by viral hepatitis, and that must have been the case for him, but since in the mind of the people cirrhosis equals alcoholism, being honest about it would have been a convoluted process navigating all the inferences.

I'm French and there was a joke about how Arrafat died. If you remember he was hospitalized in France and at the end he kept drifting in and out of consciousness. So, according to the joke, at one point Arafat regains consciousness, sees a man in his room, and asks who he is: "I'm doctor Israel, I'm in charge of your health care". Upon learning this, Arafat loses consciousness again. Then somewhat later Arafat comes around again and asks "where am I?" "you're in Villejuif" (Jewishtown, where you have one of France's biggest hospital, the one where Kylie Minogue was treated for her breast cancer BTW). Well, you guessed it, learning this, Arafat immediately loses consciousness again.

And finally, a little while later, Arafat wakes up again, sees many people in the room in quite a frenzy, and weary of asking any sort of question that might trigger him to the point of losing consciousness again he goes for the most trivial question he can think of: "how's the weather out there?" and all the people turn to him and say "maussade" (dull/gloomy but you pronounce it /Mossad/) and upon hearing this he dies instantly.

Edit: "which can ONLY be caused by hepatitis" was actually "which can ALSO be caused".

R3, You sound very sure of yourself. What makes you so, and moreover why think that cirrhosis of the liver would be to Muslims a worse diagnosis than AIDS?

There were rumors (confirmed?) that Richard Pryor was bisexual; I can’t see him being with other men though.

Sammy Davis, Jr. blowing a porn star's pimp/husband.

Bruce Willis and Aaron Carter.

Years ago, someone posted here about having seen Robert Mitchum at a gay bar. It's the only such reference I've ever seen. I was stunned. Robert Mitchum? Really?

Huw Edwards

Raymond Burr. I didn’t see that coming.

Richard Simmons. He seemed to be too busy helping old people sweat to be sucking cock and presenting hole at the Hollywood Bowl.

“I sucked one dick,” he said from the stage, drawing his audience back into a scene from his red-light district childhood. “Back in 1952. Sucked Wilbur Harp’s dick. It was beautiful, but I couldn’t deal with it. Had to leave it alone.” The crowd roared. “It was beautiful because Wilbur has the best booty in the world. Now I’m saying booty to be nice. I’m talking about ass-hole. Wilbur had some good ass-hole. And Wilbur would give it up so good and put his thighs against your waist. That would make you come quick.” With that confession, Pryor became perhaps the first major Hollywood celebrity to talk graphically about his own positive experience of gay sex – and certainly the first to do so in front of tens of thousands of people."

^^Wilbur was gay???????? Guess that explains him trying to milk me all the time even though I’m not a cow, just a horse.

It was common knowledge that Arafat was gay. The Italian journalist Oriana Fallaci called him an old queen decades ago.

Arafat wore the tea towel on his head so he could wipe away semen and santorum quickly.

[quote] Bruce Willis and Aaron Carter.

When a teenage Aaron Carter emancipated himself from his parents he had to provide the court with a list of his assets. Listed were over one million dollars worth of gifts from Bruce Willis/

At various times (not just Datalounge) I've heard both John Goodman and Ed O'Neill rumored to be gay. I still can't really see either one but the rumors are there

Chicago mayor Harold Washington…

Dag Hammarskjold, UN Secretary General

Quincy Jones said Marlon Brando fucked Richard Pryor!

That one surprised me

Quincy also said that Marlon and James Baldwin were an item!

You're surprised that Yasser Arafat was gay? That gurl pinged like a flying saucer!

Is Hanan Ashrawi a lesbo?

Earl Holliman. Never had a clue.

I always thought Meredith Baxter Birney and Kelly McGillis were surprising - I don't know why.

John Amos and then-twink soap start John-Paul Lavosier.

Damn, Damn, DAMN!

I'm trying to figure out the point of this thread.

"Rumors that surprised" us, instead of "revelations that surprised" us?

Or "rumors that surprised us by turning out to be true"?

IDGI.

Michael Nader - Dex Dexter in Dynasty was HIV positive.

Meredith Baxter. I should have sen it coming, since with every show after "Bridget loves Bernie" she just looked butcher and butcher--but my gaydar was completely fooled by her marriage to David Birney.

Garth Brooks

Leo and Lukas

Antonio Bandaras

J. Edgar Hoover

J. Edna was obvious

Ru Paul

Andrea Bocelli, the blind opera singer

Vin Diesel

Malcom Forbes

Jeremy Renner

Dan Wootton

The fact that Ellliot Gould is not gay.

Elliot

I've reported before that my husband and I saw DL Fave MAGAt Scott Baio at a gay bar, J.R.'s, here in Dallas in 1995.

He was cruising. Zero women in the bar. He knew where he was.

Dan Travanty

Ben Affleck

Steve McQueen

R43, supposedly Tom Cotton goes to JR's as well

Spencer Tracy

Arafat was fug, he should have fucked off.

R17, I've worked with them both, and I can confirm that while John Goodman is gay, Ed O'Neill is NOT gay.

I was shocked when I heard Laurence Olivier had a longterm affair with Danny Kaye!

How did that start?

John Goodman gay?? I don't think so. He adores my company!

George Clooney

The rumor about Seann William Scott being kept by Peter Thiel

Lol, R23, she certainly seems it.

Grandpa Walton

Danny Kaye was also lovers with Nick Long Jr.

The Elvis/Nick Adams rumors

Zeb Walton was a Fag and I'm the dame who can prove it.

Fred Rutherford from Leave it to Beaver

Abe Lincoln. Heard it 40 years ago when I was in college.

Sherman Hemsley

Howard Stern

Gordon Thompson - Adam Carrington on Dynasty.

Liberace

r63 Howard sure looks comfortable here

The rumors that surprised me the most were the ones I've heard about Gene Hackman.

I recently was told by someone I deem reliable about a hookup with country star Clint Black years ago.

"Big Red" claimed to have hooked up with both Randy Travis and Garth Brooks

[quote] "Big Red" claimed to have hooked up with both Randy Travis and Garth Brooks

That slut!

Paul Winfield and Barry Manilow. LL Cool J, too.

You were surprised by Barry Manilow?

Dorothy's friend Jean

J. August Richards on “Angel.”

I’m also surprised that Alexis Denisof has had NO gay rumors.

J. August Richards is gay?

R75, yep, he came out a few years ago. I was shocked. Did not see that coming at all. Never suspected him.

R51, Dame Joan Plowright has said in interviews that it's certainly possible that Laurence Olivier may have had relationships with men during their marriage.

That prissy queen who was on Law & Order and Hannibal.

R28 was Michael Nader related to gay George Nader. When "Confidential" magazine was going to out Rock Hudson, the studio offered George for the expose.

Kathy Bates and Olivia Newton-John. Well, not together but.

DL had the scoop that Eric Bana turned down Brad Pitt for sex while filming TROY.

R67, please expand on your answer. That one is shocking to me.

Datalounge had the receipts on Edgar Ramirez.

I doubt Hackman. He has only been linked to other men in his early days when friends with other actors like Dustin Hoffman.

Howard Stern I still don't buy. I think often it is more surprising when people I just KNOW are gay, are not and I was completely wrong. Like Matthew Broderick. I really believe he is heterosexual now, but I don't think it in my gut (not that my gut matters at all)

R75 AND in a relationship with a Black dude. THAT really shocked me.

That rumor about Anthony Hopkins (known sadist) and Tom Cruise and something going on during MI2 (via The infamous A-List)

If Gene Hackman is gay he certainly seems to have denied himself a self-actualized life, so I highly doubt any rumors allegedly "heard" by outlier r67.

R87, Wasn't the "A List" way before the "MI" franchise?

[R87] It's possible there is an updated A-list that circulated years ago. It's also possible Hopkins/Cruise know each other from elsewhere.

[quote]He was cruising. Zero women in the bar. He knew where he was.

Hey, I was doing research for a series called "Johnny loves Chachi!"

r79, George Nader was Michael's uncle.

Edmund Gwenn

James Franciscus.

Spencer Tracy. Sorry, but I just can't imagine it. Yes, I can believe Hepburn was gay but not Tracy. But why would he want to beard for her if he had nothing to gain? Maybe to help hide his alcoholism, which is something I can believe in more.

[quote]That prissy queen who was on Law & Order and Hannibal.

Hugh Dancy? I was actually surprised to find out he was straight. Claire Danes doesn't strike me as a beard, at least.

R94, News to me.

Robert Mitchum would let guys blow him, but does that make him gay?

Richard Burton admitting that in his youth he “experimented” with men.

James Cagney. Supposedly “mentored” a young Audie Murphy when he tried to break into Hollywood.

[quote]That prissy queen who was on Law & Order and Hannibal.

This is who I meant. DL used to have thread after thread about his closetedness.

For some reason I believe that Spencer Tracy was deeply closeted, deeply troubled about his deaf son and thought it was his punishment or something, drank himself into a stupor and only then was ready to nibble on uncut cock.

Samantha Fox

Not surprised they are gay, but was floored when I learned Holland Taylor and Sarah Paulson were together. Yuck.

Grandma Walton too.

R83 Edgar Ramirez PINGS from outer space.

[quote]Meredith Baxter. I should have sen it coming, since with every show after "Bridget loves Bernie" she just looked butcher and butcher--but my gaydar was completely fooled by her marriage to David Birney.

Mine too, my jaw dropped when I heard the news about her. She and J. August Richards are the big false negatives my gaydar has failed to pick up the slightest hint about. Most other people I hear about coming out (or who are outed) at least don't really surprise me, even if I didn't have any real prior suspicions about them.

For R98

R79, sooo… Dex and that little tramp’s father used to do more than just go out on rescue missions together. How interesting…

Both Tracy and Hepburn may have been bi, and had other same-sex relationships, but I still believe that their relationship was 100% real and sexual, because not only did Tracy have nothing to gain from her "bearding" for him (since it was already well known he was married), it would have been career-ending if the affair had been revealed to the public. Someone like Sinatra could fuck around as much as he pleased, because audiences WANTED him to be a bad boy, but Tracy's persona was that of a Catholic family man, and audiences would never have accepted him as anything else.

Tracy and Hepburn kept it so secret for so long because it was all too real.

What’s Pedro Pascal’s story?

Winston Churchill hooking up with Ivor Norvello.

Bob Conrad bottoming for twinks. Which turned out to be true.

Cukor told our friend Neil that Kate and Tracey were NOT involved sexually and they were bearding for one another. Neil was one of Cukor's boys. He has been telling this story for 40+ years.

[quote] Tracy and Hepburn kept it so secret for so long because it was all too real.

What are you talking about, everybody knew they were "in a romantic relationship".

R108, that's a classic!

I was R72. I don't know why. I guess when I listened to him as a teenager and young woman I just loved his music and I still do.

R114: "Kate and Tracey were NOT involved sexually and they were bearding for one another."

Why on earth would a man who'd been married for decades need a beard when he already had one at home? And why would a married Hollywood star agree to pretend to be in a secret, extra-marital relationship with a lesbian co-star? None of that makes any sense.

It was a different time, R118. The studios created narratives to keep the fans hooked and sometimes the fake romantic partners developed a strong rapport. Maybe Hepburn and Tracy had sex once or twice, who knows. Maybe he was bearding for her. She was a dyke and he was a drunk who probably didn't even know what kind of trouble he was getting into, and liked it. What's not to understand?

George Washington (Lincoln was already mentioned).

[quote]Richard Burton admitting that in his youth he “experimented” with men.

Well, don't all British lads?

Sam Heughan who plays Jamie Fraser on Outlander

Tracy and Hepburn had a brief affair but stayed friends

After Tracy died, the media made it into more than it was because they liked the idea of two legendary stars having a long-term secret affair

Hepburn played along with the narrative because it made her look straight

R119: "It was a different time"

Yes, exactly. Meaning the absolute LAST thing studios were doing was creating pretend extra-marital affairs when they were already up to their necks in trying to cover up and deny the real ones!

"Maybe Hepburn and Tracy had sex once or twice, who knows."

So, in other words... a real, sexual relationship, like I said.

"Maybe he was bearding for her."

Again, what motivation could he possibly have for doing that? Have you ever known-- or even heard of-- any married person who just suddenly decided to put their career, their marriage, and their reputation in jeopardy to beard for a gay person, without getting anything in return?

John Goodman was the one that really surprised me.

Lots of FMDs in this thread

Spencer Tracy had a much more intimate relationship with Loretta Young than he did with Katharine Hepburn.

Loretta claimed she did not know Spencer was married and when she discovered he was she ended their affair.

R123 I'm with you. It's the scenario that makes the most sense.

Hepburn always pretended to be take-no-prisoners honest but she was a star above all and would have done and said anything to remain a star.

The “FMD” troll really has to stop! It’s not catching on, it’s not clever and we aren’t buying into it. Go post on Tik Tok.

"Loretta claimed she did not know Spencer was married"

LOL, okay, Loretta. I mean... She lied. A lot. About many, many things.

[quote]Grandpa Walton

And Grandma Walton (Ellen Corby) was lesbionic.

For much of their time together Tracy was more like Hepburns pet project, given his condition she was more a nurse and carer to him than anything else.

Can anyone imagine Katharine Hepburn having sex at any age?

To me, she always seemed asexual.

I was a big Angel fan and I was also shocked about J. August Richards.

R111 Despite his evident gayness, I'm pretty sure Pascal will end up doing pathetic beardings so he can be a bankable tv/film star.

Ed Asner

Danny Thomas being lesbian.

R38, Big Clue: FoE. (Elizabeth.) [See: MacDowell, Roddy. See: Clift, Montgomery. See: Jackson, Michael.]

R138, See: Hudson, Rock. See: Dean, James.

Reginald Vel Johnson

R103 WRONG.

That's Sa-sa-sa-sa Samatha FOX!

Didn't claim to be exhaustive, r139!

[quote] Can anyone imagine Katharine Hepburn having sex at any age?

To me, she always seemed asexual.

I can. That delicious, insatiable, horny dyke.

John Paul Lavoisier aka Rex of OLTL and now of DOOL. I never would have guessed. Oh wait he's not out and I'm not sure if he's in. Well talk of him on DL surprised me.

There's a lot of people I can't picture having sex, but somehow they get it done.

Julie Andrews and Carol Burnett look like a cute old lesbian couple these days.

very cute...

Vince Edwards

Wasn't Eva Gabor a lesbian who bearded for Merv Griffin?

Vince Edwards? Wut-wut?

R99 Richard Burton's bisexuality wasn't just in his youth.

R149, According to Zsa Zsa’s daughter, Francesca Hilton, Auntie Eva was a lesbian and one of her lovers was Marlene Dietrich.

Clint Walker. Or was that in my dream?

I heard he was sexually involved with guys

R152. According to Arnold Ziffel Eva was fingerbanged regularly by Ralph the Carpenter in her dressing room on the Green Acres set.

Arsenio Hall

Lisa about to hit on Ralph.

William Frawley from I Love Lucy

Harry Andrews

Was surprised to learn about Harry Andrews, too

Alec McCowen

Girth Brooks???

James Garner. There was a blind item on AGC years ago that said that he had an agreement with his wife that he would continue to have affairs with men on the side.

R163 / R146 so Victor/Victoria was very tongue in cheek then. Robert Preston pinged too

The whole closeted/ bearding thing is so creepy and sad to me. Especially that it’s still happening in 2023! What a world.

So, no missionary position R163? Only on the side?

That JZ was a big homo and poz allegedly in a BI years ago

R164 Preston was married to Kay Craig, an actress, for 47 years until his death in 1987. No kids and he rarely talked about his marriage. Where there’s smoke…

Preston was a womanizer, r168.

There was a thread a few years back about Edwards being gay. Someone mentioned his crush on John Amos.

Vince was crushing on John Amos from GOOD TIMES?

Edwards who?

R168. Well, he was convincing as highly sexed wolf Harold Hill, too. Maybe he was just a (gasp) good actor. Married for 47 years to a non-pro seems to me to point to a private man rather than someone trying to “perform “ heterosexuality (like Martin-Halliday or the Lunts). Maybe they didn’t have children because acting seemed like a career not best suited to parenting, maybe one or both could not have children, maybe they just didn’t fucking want them.

[quote]Can anyone imagine Katharine Hepburn having sex at any age? To me, she always seemed asexual.

Like a goddess, chaste and virginal!

Ernest Thesiger. Just doesn't add up.

In Arab culture it's quite common for men to be married and "straight" yet have sex with boys.

It goes back to the strict separation of males and females in Muslim societies.

So it would surprise me if Arafat identified as "gay". But most Arab males have sex with other males. It's part of the culture.

I know I'll get a lot of sh*t thrown at me for suggesting this jock, but I get mixed signals from him on his Postings TO INSTAGRAM! Looking up his Bio., it seems he didn't have a gf in HS or in college! And as late as this posting, he doesn't have one now! He just celebrated is 28th Birthday, is a Poster Boy, in looks and body! and his 'FOLLOWERS' are about 70% women! But here is one reason he might be STRAIGHT! In the comments posted by females, he responded to three of them with 'imojes' of RED HEARTS! cURIOUS, i LOOKED UP THEIR 'profiles',AND ALL THREE HAD PRIVATE ACCOUNTS! Lo, guess what, it showed he was following them DMs? My reasons for gay vibes? He only Posts with Photos of him or with his male teammates (both HS and college!)! Other photos he is with team mates he is 'tight' with (celebrating Birthdays or just get togethers), not a female in sight! But there are several more INCIDENTS where he nsends mixed signals, which can be interpreted, either way! SAM HUBBARD! Your comments will be appreciated!

[R37] just read an article about him and Paul Walker (Furious?) being at odds with one and another? Could it have been due to questions of sexuality?

Vin Diesel is a real phony.

Walker didn't have any business objecting to other people's love lives if what I heard is true, R178. Apparently eau de jailbait clung to him wherever he went.

Mary Martin - a face made for the theater.

R6 Those rumors are true. Richard Pryor has publicly or at least revealed to some authors that he did drugs and would suck dick while on it.

R16 Lucky whore. RIP.

Earl Holliman

Aaron Rodgers

Rusty Staub

Franklin Pangborn

The question of Hepburn and Tracy is a complex one. I am in the middle of a relationship with a straight man- and we have been together for 35 years. Why? Although not sexual it is very real on every other level- emotionally, mentally, etc. How does that happen? Well boys and girls it happens because life is not as clear cut as a Hallmark movie, or a judgmental gay quee. I met my husband when we were just out of college. He was straight then too. We had a deep relationship from the start because have stronger bonds about who we are to each other, and what that means. And when his life with women fell apart he came back to me. We don't have sex. I don't need that from him. But we have a real, loving, fulfilling life together. I was never this happy with a gay man, or he with a woman. That's what I think bonded Hepburn and Tracy. They needed each other, the sex was unimportant. Lots of people won't, can't or don't want to understand that type of relationship. But as with all real relationships it's nobody's business, and the couple doesn't have to explain its makeup to another soul, as long they are happy.

R186 You call him your husband but there's never been anything physical between you two? Does he call you his "husband"? So many questions about this arrangement, I hope you don't mind explaining a little.

R186 very interesting and unique. Thanks for sharing.

[quote]Mary Martin - a face made for the theater.

Actually, she always reminded me of Jean Arthur, who had a very successful movie career and was possibly also lesbionic.

R186 do u fulfill yourself sexually elsewhere? Does he? Does he bring women back to the house and you bring men?

I like the idea of having a companion but I would need sex

R189. There were always rumors Martin and Arthur had an affair. There’s a trashy novel that presents a fictional version of it—it’s called “The Princess and the Goblin” (not to be confused with George MacDonald’s wonderful children’s novel of the same title). Martin seems to have gotten around when she was in Hollywood and then cultivated the America’s tomboy sweetheart persona when she shifted back to Broadway, where her considerable talents as an actress and musical star were better served—she was on Kazan’s shortlist for Blanche in Streetcar.

Rusty Staub had a thing with Matt Dillon back in the 80's.

[quote]There were always rumors Martin and Arthur had an affair.

Both played Peter Pan on Broadway (in different adaptations). Maybe they bonded over that.

R193, how? Making each other 'walk the plank'?

R186 Can it, sister. What a load of malarky.

R186, I am holding you responsible for the cost of dry cleaning the vomit stain for my out of my lovely raw silk blouse.

Do you have any idea what stomach acid and a sauce Bolognese does to fine embroidery?

Kate Jackson? Not surprised

R192 please expand more on Staub and Matt Dillon. I've always suspected MD but I haven't seen receipts other than his non-woman lifestyle.

Staub and Dillon used to hang out on the dl, but one night made it official when they dined together at Staub's E. 73rd Street rib joint in NYC.

I'm sure Rusty was just mentoring the lad

Matt Dillon, who I think is still hot, was getting it on with the unattractive Rusty Staub?

[quote]Matt Dillon, who I think is still hot, was getting it on with the unattractive Rusty Staub?

I got it on with Rusty Trawler.

[quote] Does he call you his "husband"?

I didn't think so.

R176 yeah, the sex with boys is called rape and pedophilia. I think that’s different from being gay and in the closet.

R186 this is fascinating. We need a thread just to learn about this

Arafat, one of the ugliest men on the planet ever....piece of human shit too

Matt Dillon has been mentioned but I thought he was one of Heidi Fleiss' clients back in her heyday.

^ Matt Dillon is known to be a huge exhibitionist and loves to show off his cock. Those types usually get off on anyone seeing them erect which I find hot as fuck.,

R6 Richard Pryor's own wifed confirmed his affair he had with Marlon Brando.

That Richard Pryor article was absolutely fascinating. He sounds like he might have been tortued by is sexuality in the same way that Whitney Houston was and driven to drugs.

But I was shocked that not only was Marlon Brando involved with James Baldwin and Richard Pryor but Marvin Gaye as well. I never pictured Marvin Gaye.

Marlon liked the black dick

I am an attractive black man and I wish I could find someone who looked like Marlon Brando in his prime to suck on my cock and let me take pictures.

R208, Cameron Diaz once said in an interview that Matt Dillon hates condoms and will only fuck bareback.

Don't get me confused with that f+g Matt Dillon.

R101 I was gna say there is nothing prissy or queenie about Hugh Dancy. He is just very British which may read as femme to low rent Americans.

[R201] looked up his bio and he is in a relationship with some Italian actress/dancer since 2014! He's 59 and he was 20 years older than MD! (Rusty Staub) When did they get together?

Elijah Wood and Martin Short seem so gay to me.

I used to think the same thing R214 until I remember reading that him and old man daddy author, screenwriter Michael Cunningham were making out ferociously at some after party. Granted Hugh was probably drunk and Michael may have been bit drunk and lecherous too and took his chance. But still, I know this straight actor types, I went to Tisch and was surrounded by them. They'll do anything to experience something and see how it makes them feel - just in case they have to do it on screen. Hell that's how I started smoking. A good number of them made out with a guy, some it went further.

Are you suggesting that Elijah Wood isn't gay,216?

R209, you mean that Marvin Gaye was… GAY???? Where have I been?

Wayne Brady

Wayne Brady always pinged a bit to me. Not that surprised. Too bad he's never acted on his same sex attractions.

[quote]Wayne Brady Comes Out as Pansexual

"Pansexual" sounds like it has something to do with being overly fond of cookware.

Or maybe it means being overly fond of Mary Martin in male drag as Peter Pan.

Could be he's got a thing for goat's feet and flute playing...

[quote] I never pictured Marvin Gaye.

Then again, who would turn down Marlon?

[quote] I am an attractive black man and I wish I could find someone who looked like Marlon Brando in his prime to suck on my cock and let me take pictures.

Looks like you didn't have to be attractive to get Marlon's lips around your cock if you were Black.

Dick Butkus

[quote]Then again, who would turn down Marlon?

That would depend on whether you're talking about 1950s Marlon or 1980s Marlon.

A DLer claimed to have hooked up with Bubba Smith

That surprised me

ACtually, r193, I always heard that Martin and Arthur (both with male first names as last names!) were in a relationship and had a bet who would play Peter Pan first. Arthur won. Jean Arthur wass famous for her stage fright, which kept her off the stage most of the time ... except for Peter Pan.

[quote] I always heard that Martin and Arthur were in a relationship

Wait, where did you hear this??

Relax, Janet, it was before Mary met you.

Gay, r111

R113- That really surprised me as well, but not as much as reading that Paul Newman was gay/bi. That shocked me.

R234 Paul Newman apparently had affairs with several young actors including Brandon DeWilde, which was on and off for a few years.

R235- He kept his life so private that I truly would have never had a clue if it weren't for DL.

R235 Don't forget the Paul Newman / Sam Mineo connection.

R237- Rumor is that he also had a fling or whatever with Tom Cruise.

Tammy was never into daddies unless he was charging them for the night.

Well, R239, who wouldn't make an exception for Paul Newman?

And no, I wasn't particularly surprised when I started hearing the rumors about Newman, I'm never all that surprised when extremely physically beautiful people are referred to as bi. So many people want them, so many kinds of people want them, they're in a position to try everything and explore all their tendencies, or just slut it up with anyone who asks.

Late Congressman Rev. Bill Gray. Worked with MLK in the sixties. Married with two children. I met him at a couple of meetings at my grandparents house. They were active in local politics; so was my uncle, their oldest son. His wife looked miserable and barely spoke to anyone. I asked myself why she looked so sad. After his death, my uncle told me that he had a white boy, one of those pages, in an apartment in the DC suburbs. Allegedly they were caught having sex in Gray’s office. When I came out, I can’t tell you how many times I would run into clergymen in the bars. So he wasn’t the only one.

[quote] my uncle told me that he had a white boy, one of those pages, in an apartment in the DC suburbs.

r241 Those Congressional pages have only one purpose.

I’m guessing that the wife knew r242. But she liked being the wife of a politician.

Wasn’t there a big scandal in the seventies about a congressman and a couple of male pages?

r243 Gary Studds, the first openly gay Congressman, was censured in 1983 for sex with a 17-year-old page.

Riiight. I’m in eldergay territory because I couldn’t remember that r244. Thanks.

r245 Well I cheated. Google.

R244, Gerry Studds came to a sad end. He was walking his dog one evening in 2006 when the dog tripped him and he hit his head on the pavement. A pulmonary embolism developed from the fall and he died a few days later.

That dog was a MURDERER!

Gerry Studds had nothing on Mark Foley.

I just realized how massive Reverend Gray’s hands were in that painting of him!

FYI, R242/244 (who thought of Gerry Studds before the truly abusive Mark Foley) has also posted the following gems:

[quote]They'll be doing us a favor if they ban gay marriage. It's the biggest threat to the community since sodomy laws.

[quote]Anyone who questions this state of perpetual war and a gravy train of billions to those Ukrainian oligarchs is a troll. Nah, the American people have had enough. Kids in Jackson Mississippi go hungry and we're handing billions to the little gypsy Zelensky without any accountability.

Also claims to be a Democrat.

Craig Stevens and Alexis Smith.

r251 Dumbass, true Democrats do not support Neo-Con wars, nor attempts by the state to force pseudo-religious monogamy on gays and lesbians.

What about Craig Stevens and Alexis Smith? Spill it. Although she wouldn't surprise me.

Lavender cover-up marriage, R254.

Supposedly but neither of them pinged to me. However once I observed that she looked like a man I could not unsee it.

[quote]What about Craig Stevens and Alexis Smith? Spill it. Although she wouldn't surprise me.

Alexis Smith was one of the stars of the original production of "Follies"! That's all DL cares about when it comes to Alexis Smith.

r256=Miss Swan

R257 And precisely THAT is why I want to know more about her.

R234 Funny you should say that.

Collider just published an article about "Hud" and the homoeroticism between Paul Newman and Brandon DeWilde in that movie.

But is Joanne Woodward a lesbian?

R260, But, they played brothers.

Hepburn and Tracy were both gay- they were close friends, never lived together. Each stayed in a separate guest house on Cukor’s estate. Hepburn had a very soft spot for troubled men- like her brother. She used Tracy in her later years to maintain her image much to the disgust of a few of her close friends.

I often wondered about David Austin.

R259 - there is the Rita Mae Brown story.

Rita saw "Follies" in 1971 and said she "fell in love with Alexis" and wrote her a fan letter. Alexis replied to the letter and they met. Rita said she was "warm, wise, and direct. I have never felt such lust in my life as I felt for that gorgeous creature. She bore it with good humor. Wearisome as my crush must have been for her and her husband, Craig Stevens, she nudged me along. She never loved me but she saw a flash of talent. That was better than carnal love."

R262 No, they were uncle and nephew.

R265, Alexis must have felt right at home during her love scenes with Melina Mercouri in “Once Is Not Enough”.

R266, Hot!

Is Hud the nephew troll?

[quote] No, they were uncle and nephew.

r266 Wouldn't be the first uncle who fucked his nephew.

[R190] do you think he and the late Paul Walker were an item?

Vince Edwards? James Garner? No. Just, no. Never a rumor ever.

[quote]She never loved me but she saw a flash of talent. That was better than carnal love.

That's...*it*, r265?

I always wondered about the circumstances that led to Brando posing for a photo with a dick in his mouth. A rather ballsy move for someone from his generation. I couldn’t imagine any movie star who would be willing to do the same this days.

It wasn't Brando, R274.

[R178] are you saying Paul Walker was doing 'IT' on the DL??

Paul Walker liked barely legal girls…he was a dish but not gay or even bisexual. Who knows, maybe he used the casting couch. Most of them do.

I always had a feeling Tracy was bisexual, at least, it was just gaydar. Also he tried too hard. To act masculine sometimes. When Hepburn did that special and asked “What was it, Spence?” It had already occurred to me that Tracy’s inner conflict that no one could decipher was probably that he liked men. Hepburn, though - I don’t know, I think she might have been in denial as I think she was a rather uptight New Englander. Her penchant for affairs with married, alcoholic men indicates she was. ‘Codependent’ but if she was gay she was extrememly discreet, because. We’ve all heard more about Dietrich and Crawford and women like that.

Sorry, my spellcheck is weird.

Hepburn was far from discreet, R278. It was widely known that she was a lesbian, even among press. But in those days something as dastardly as homosexuality was never mentioned or applied to anyone by the mainstream press.

Tom Selleck.

^^^^ It DID????

R281 Obviously, you never watched him run on Magnum P.I.

Actually I never watched Magnum PI, lol.

Really only know him from his Friends run and even then didn't pay too much attention, not my type.

Selleck's voice gets high and squeaky very quickly. Not exactly 'gay voice,' but...

Also he is in In & Out.

“In the early 1990s, Selleck had a press conference to say that he was not gay after a Queer Nation poster allegedly tried to out him. Years later, he played an openly gay character in In & Out with Kevin Kline.“

Selleck is allegedly a bottom…

Oh daddy

George Strait

r128, no it was due to Vin's complete unprofessionalism- Walker would be on set, waiting on Vin, who was playing video games or working out in his little compound for at least an hour, up to 3 hours later. Sometimes he wouldn't even show up.

Ah it should be r178 that r291 is replying to.

Rip Taylor...

He seemed so butch at the bar.

KAREN CLARKE: So you read Liza’s paper, I guess.

LT. GEN. GEORGE MILLER: Yeah. I’m a voracious reader. I am the Gore Vidal of the Pentagon.

KAREN CLARKE: Gore is gay.

LT. GEN. GEORGE MILLER: No, he’s not.

KAREN CLARKE: I beg to differ, but —

LT. GEN. GEORGE MILLER: He’s gay? Because I’ve been saying the Gore Vidal line.

KAREN CLARKE: He is gay.

LT. GEN. GEORGE MILLER: Guess I better stop saying that then. That’s ridiculous.

George Hamilton. Robert Evans. Never trust a man that tans.

R295 Never heard that about either man. Evidence? Proof?

Seann William Scott.

R296, I've heard gay rumors about Hamilton, but I've never sucked his cock.

Evans, I've heard is a straight predator who's drugged and raped women.

Ron Liebman

Gene Kelly

Nicole Kidman

R298 I’ve never heard anything but that Robert Evans was a total womanizer.

R300 = Ali McGraw

R301 Who was screwing her co-star Ryan O'Neal at the Ritz while filming Love Story in Cambridge and married to Evans

R302, Ali was screwing Steve McQueen during filming of “The Getaway” while married to Robert Evans.

Daniel Travanti. When a man has a serious discussion with you about figure skating in the Olympics, then you know he's gay.

Rudy Ray Moore. After his death it was revealed that he was gay and nothing like his heterosexual alter ego from his raunchy albums and films.

[quote]George Hamilton. Robert Evans. Never trust a man that tans.

Robert Evans? HA! A well known womanizer. Now Hamilton acts gay in every way - one short marriage, platonically dated LBJ's daughter, over attention to his appearance, hangs out will older diva women (like Imelda Marcos) - nobody talks about it, but I'd bet he's gay. My grandmother always assumed he was gay too.

R306, George is best buds with Liza.

^ That settles it

Hopefully George and I will be married shoon! I think he'sh the one!

George Hamilton reminds me of Frank Sinatra Jr in his personal life - nothing much happening with women.

R310, Frank Sinatra, Jr. fathered four out-of-wedlock children by four different women, three daughters and a son.

CORRECTION: Two daughters and two sons.

Patty Duke had a “relationship” with Sinatra Jr, he didn’t touch her.

To be fair, would you touch that crazy mess?

He probably just wanted some publicity.

R313, He guest starred on her show in 1965.

Ray Bolger

Ray Bolger surprised you?

It surprised me, R317!

R316, lemme see some reciepts!

Jesus of Nazareth

[quote]Ray Bolger surprised you?

It certainly did.

R308 That and his grandmother.

Any proof Bolger was gay? Or just supposition?

His nephew was hot. He was in some gay themed movie in the 80s. John Bolger, IIRC. He was also in several guest spots in the LAW & ORDER franchise.

John Bolger was in Parting Glances, r324. Also Procter & Gamble soaps Another World and Guiding Light.

R325, And “One Life to Live”.

But what’s the evidence Ray Bolger was gay?

He was a dancer and he starred in Broadway musicals, R327. On DL, that's more than enough evidence to declare somebody gay.

r328 On DL, being male and sentient is usually sufficient.

R328, And then there’s Mrs. Bolger.

Young John Bolger…wow.

R330 And?

I was pretty young when I heard a lot of the gay rumors about classic movies stars so most of them surprised me.

Walter Pidgeon

Judy Garland actually surprised me. I heard rumors of her being bi but only believed them when that personal assistant wrote that book about her and Liza and described being in a limo with Judy when she put her hand on her leg, I think. I know this is about men but whatever.

*Judy put her hand on the assistant’s leg, or came on to her in some similar way, I forget.

R133 Kate Hepburn was Bi. She had her occasional man and I have an eye witness.

R306 I understand Hamilton is also a MAGAT

R337, what eyewitness?

R339, Katharine Houghton

Chris Farley was mentioned in the “borderline personality” thread… has anyone else heard rumors he was a tormented gay man in the closet? That one surprised me.

I believe Katharine Houghton has said her aunt had affairs with some famous men whose names would surprise us.

R339 One of my oldest, dearest friends. Her father worked a film shoot with Tracy and Hepburn. While Tracy was off shooting on location Hepburn stayed back and hooked up with my friend's dad. She walked in on them going at it. She has no reason to to make this up. It messed her mind up a bit. Her dad was in the industry too. He was a major womanizer.

R343, Desi Arnaz?

R343 Wow. Was the dad married? Which film was it? It must have been a long time ago. Not Guess Who’s Coming To Dinner because neither of them went on location for that. Not for their previous film, Desk Set, either.

R345, “Pat and Mike”?

Monty Woolley. Partner was Black, together until their deaths.

I gotta say, the recently unearthed letter of Obama pretty much surprised me.

Not so much the thoughts, which didn't shock me about him, but the revealing of them, and to a "girlfriend," no less!

I would also NOT be gay-surprised about Nixon (Bebe Rebozo), Dubya (Jeff Gannon), K. Rove, D. Quayle, M. Pence, T. Kaine, S. Miller, P. Manafort, for starters.

Rumor has it that Karl Rove became the conservative bitch he is because in high school, he wanted to be buddy buddy with the jocks and they rejected him badly. Wow! All that because he couldn’t get gang banged by the football team. 😂

R348, Obama’s relationship with Reggie Love always seemed odd.

“Love served as the special assistant and personal aide, commonly referred to as body man, to U.S. President Barack Obama.“

Gay-braham Lincoln

[quote]Kate Hepburn was Bi.

That dreary New England spinster was neither AC nor DC. She was strictly TNT (tease/no touch) !

R352, Never saw a photo of Kate wearing fur before.

You have a baby grand piano in your house, but you can’t play it, and you don’t invite people over to play it.

Well tea has been spilled regarding JFK and his relationship with Lem Billings. So this stuff about Obama is a nothing burger. Maybe he released the information to keep him from getting blackmailed…

Wrong thread — sorry!

I would welcome a session with Reggie Love and his bbc.

6’4” and 225# of chocolate delight.

Van Johnson, OTOH, surprised no one.

Maybe I'm naive but I was surprised by Van Johnson when I first read about him here (this was eons ago, when Van was still alive).

I didn't know much about his personal life but I'd seen multiple films of his and he never pinged for me

R353. You should see her with a muff!

What’s this tea about Obama? Explain!

R361 . . .

Van Johnson's bestie/secret lover was comic actor, Keenan Wynn.

When MGM insisted the gay Johnson marry a woman, he asked Wynn to divorce his wife Evie so Johnson could marry her. Wynn did, and Johnson did.

Burt Young from the Rocky movies.

Paul Winfield, I used to see him at Uncle Charlie's in the Village.

Daniel J. Travanti from Hill Street Blues.

Sometime art keeps imitating life onscreen, over and over and over again.

Tyrone Power.

Burt Young is gay?!

Yes!

I'd take Keenan Wynn over Van Johnson any day.

There were only two famous Vans and they were both gay.

Van Heflin was gay too?

Okay you got me. There are at least three famous Vans.

Here, R353, a different picture of La Hepburn wearing fur!

And her early 1930s hairstyle, and lesbian pants, and what look like high heels worn over crew socks. Damn, the Hollywood glamour machine had work to do, with the young Hepburn.

Damn r362! So under the right conditions, I could hit it. I wonder when Obama has these fantasies, is he too or bottom.

I meant *top* or bottom.

R372, Van Cliburn was uber gay.

R326. Correct. But Van Heflin is not known to be.

Abraham Benrubi being gay was a pleasant surprise, but he seems to have pretty much stopped acting after ER went off the air.

Joel Grey coming out at 82.

Tavis Smiley. Because he is so sexless to me. I think he is asexual.

In college, I knew a guy who grew up in Hawaii. He was from money. He swore up and down that Tom Selleck hit on him in a gym or country club men's changing room.

Sherman Hemsley

Selleck was a known gay very early in his career. He got married to a "Cats" dancer to dispel those rumors.

As far as I've read R306, Hamilton is a womanizer who still sees himself as a lothario in spite of his orange decrepitude, and likes his women young, pretty, slutty and not particularly intelligent. He is friends with the likes of Liza because he moves in old jet set circles and aging divas still reign supreme in that fast-disappearing world.

Just because a man was handsome in his youth and is still ridiculously vain about his long-faded looks, it doesn't mean that he is gay.

R380, Tavis Smiley was fired from PBS after multiple allegations from women that he engaged in inappropriate sexual behavior. Smiley acknowledged that he had multiple affairs with subordinates but claimed they were consensual. Although they may have given consent, the women subsequently said the power differential between him and them discounted that.

He's a creep...a straight one.

R384, A friend of mine who works in public relations, was assigned to George Hamilton when he came to New Orleans to promote “Love at First Bite”.

When they rode in the car in the evening, George insisted the interior lights be on so he could be seen. And when they dined in a restaurant, George had to be seated near the front window so passersby would see him.

R385 now that I can believe…

Men-straight or gay-can be vain as fuck.

[quote]Just because a man was handsome in his youth and is still ridiculously vain about his long-faded looks, it doesn't mean that he is gay.

Sing it, sister!

r389, 😂😂😂😂😂

[quote]Judy put her hand on the assistant’s leg, or came on to her in some similar way, I forget.

She put her hand UP THE PUBLICIST'S DRESS. Judy meant business.

R373 Van Johnson, Van Heflin, Van Morrison, Van Cliburn. That makes 4.

Ahem.

Van Heflin was the old guy with the suitcase bomb in the film "Airport".

Most Dataloungers know him as the delightful male lead in the charming Judy Garland movie "Presenting Lily Mars", and I don't want to hear any nonsense about not having seen it!

Van Heflin?

The Lady In The Van?

Bobby Van?

Most people probably know Van Heflin from Shane.

Van Johnson was able to act masc in war movies like The Caine Mutiny and Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo, but this interview is probably closer to the real Van.

R398, Or, his Oscar winning role in “Johnny Eager”.

R399. I knew Van dabbled in homosex, but I didn’t know he dabbled in dinner theatre.

I think one presumes the other, R401

R399- Even though the rather cute guy interviewing Van Johnson has a particularly deep masculine voice I still get a gay vibe from him.

[quote]I knew Van dabbled in homosex, but I didn’t know he dabbled in dinner theatre.

That's like saying Chrissy Metz dabbles in snacks.

R399 The sports coat is closer to the real Van, for sure.

[quote]I think one presumes the other, [R401]

Inanimate objects or facts cannot "presume" (or "assume").

Oh, dear.

"Implies," OP.

Johnson looks like an older version of Cynthia Nixon in r399 ‘s clip.

R399, I actually enjoyed that interview. I never got Van and his bland leading man appeal, but in the interview he came across as an affable raconteur, with his quips and asides and deadpans. I can just imagine him at parties, getting awfully bitchy with his humor after a few cocktails.

I wish someone would post on YT an episode of The Sally Jessy Raphael Show which featured Ginger Rogers promoting her autobiography in 1991.

As a surprise, they brought on Van Johnson to pay tribute to and reminisce with Ginger.

Van was a real pain in the ass. He kept interrupting and asking each question to be repeated. Sally eventually had enough and after a commercial break he was no longer part of the show.

R409, Van Johnson had started to lose his hearing in his 60s, so he probably didn't hear the questions and kept interrupting conversations that he didn't know were taking place.

The Van Johnson interview with David Letterman was notorious,

He seemed to still have it in the 80's, shown here with Mrs Martin Gable when she interviewed him during his run in La Cage aux Folles.

"I have to get it up for an 8 o'clock performance every night."

Wasn’t Van Johnson caught in a compromising position with an underage boy in a YMCA and MGM covered it up?

[quote]Wasn’t Van Johnson caught in a compromising position with an underage boy in a YMCA and MGM covered it up?

What a scandal!

I heard Van was caught with a sailor at Pershing Square and MGM covered it up

Louis B told him to get married as a consequence of R413, R415, or something like that.

MGM could cover up anything until the statute of limitations ran out.

Gabel.

Clark Gable was infamously gay for pay, or gay for the right role, at least.

Other alleged (on DL) casting-couch/situational gays: Aldo Ray, the young Matt Dillon, the young Brad Pitt.

Due to the Freedom Of Information Act (I think) I’ve seen FBI documents online about Van Johnson. When registering for the draft he declared himself homosexual and was ineligible. But when he became an MGM star-in-the-making he wanted to change the designation and met secretly with government men to tell them that he had now developed feelings for women, had had sex with a woman, etc. I think he was then made eligible for the draft. Subsequently he got in that car accident and due to the injury was no longer eligible.

I just saw Van in Night of 100 Stars. He appeared with June Allyson as one of the screen lovers teams. Van came prancing out and then flash opened his black tuxedo jacket to reveal its red lining. Trying to upstage poor June though her silver jumpsuit was pretty hideous in itself.

Presumably the actor photographed kissing another man in a car in the Hollywoodland movie was based on Van.

[quote] [R3], You sound very sure of yourself. What makes you so, and moreover why think that cirrhosis of the liver would be to Muslims a worse diagnosis than AIDS?

I'm not that poster, but I dated a Saudi, and I do believe he'd chuckle at gay sex but be appalled by the alcohol.

[quote]Gabel.

My husband was NOT gay. Even if he did work in the legitimate theater.

I saw Van in the same show I posted the interview about - Send MeNo Flowers, also with the actor he mentions, Bob Moak. I think they often cast the wife part more locally. I saw it Maine, met him afterwards at the stage door, Nice guy - broad show but enjoyable and funny, a good evening.

(In the 70s, I was around 14.)

[quote]Ahem. [quote]—Van Williams

Williams was devoted to the same wife for an astounding number of decades, long after his acting career evaporated and he made a fortune not dependent on public opinion, so I assume he was straight. Though he must have offered Henry Willson [italic]some[/italic] incentive to make him a star, even if it was hope that never materialized.

Henry Louis Gates, which actually doesn't surprise me.

R427 Surprising. He came on to a friend's wife at a party in Oak Bluffs last summer. My Colleague is 6'6', Gates is 5'6" on uneven ground and wisely chose to apologize rather profusely, people said.

Performative? Drunk? Horny? Whatever, it doesn't sound all that gay. OTOH, the ten foot tall oil portrait of him outside his Barker Center office is a bit extra: larger than life, in fact.

I was a mans mans and I ain't neva bottomed fa nobody ya hear?!?! That fruitcake bottomed for me.

[R186] how did you guys take care of your sexual urges? I'm sure you had them! BTW, were you both 'TOPS?'

Someone probably no one remembers. . . Peter Breck. Big 'mo

great thread

Jack Benny

R431, never heard that he was gay. Any dirt to share?

R431, Nick Barkley?

Did Peter Breck and Rock Hudson discovery, Lee Majors, ever get it on?

[quote]Someone probably no one remembers. . . Peter Breck. Big 'mo

He's remembered for "The Big Valley," at least by people who are fond of old TV westerns.

Karl ROve.

It shouldn't have been surprised. It should have been obvious.

Majors was hiring rent boys while he was married to Farah.

I'd like to hear a source for Peter Breck. Because he's good looking? There was never a gay rumor about Beck, not ever.

[R331] I think it's just wishful thinking that he is/was gay! He got married when he was 25, had 3 children, and still married to the same woman! (Of, course, he could have been doing "IT" on the DL, or his wife could have given her Ok!?)

How can he still be married to a woman when he's dead?!

He’s remembered for his big valley. So is Missy Stanwyck.

Decades ago when I found out that Raymond Burr & Earl Holliman were gay I stopped being even remotely surprised when I found out someone I never suspected was a homo.

R436, no bs here. In the 1970s and the early 1980s, Lee Majors and Farrah kept a place in the Upper Bear Creek part of the Evergreen area just west of Denver. It was well known and discussed among gay people that Majors, discreetly but seen and met, had boyfriends, one particularly and more overtly than others. He wasn't out in the bars, that I've heard, but in the moneyed-gay sets they were sociable. More locally, in the mountains, Farrah had a great reputation. And they were such a striking couple. There were other stories, but they smelled more like exaggerations or fiction.

Robert Redford and Gerald Ford's son, Jack, were two more of the Denver-to-Aspen territory visitors with steady boyfriends.

Back in the early 50s and 60s Rock Hudson and several of his rich Hollywood homo pals had a hunting lodge in Kentucky they would make regular trips to. While there they would have big parties with many of the young football studs from Eastern Ky. University. These parties always ended up as orgies. One of those studs was Lee Majors. And that's how Lee got his start in the entertainment industry. Rock Hudson brought him out to Hollywood and the rest is history.

Wait, Robert Redford had a boyfriend?

What about Steven Ford who is another son of Gerald and an actor?

Redford was gay? Since when.

[quote]Redford was gay? Since when.

Is EVERYBODY gay???

I’ve actually heard the odd rumour here and there about Redford back in his heyday. No idea if it’s true or just wishful thinking.

Allegedly Karl Malden. Enjoyed the occasional rent boys.

R453, Who’s next, Ernest Borgnine?

R446 = BS artist

[quote]Wait, Robert Redford had a boyfriend?

NO. Redford and Gerald Ford had a son named Jack who had a boyfriend.

When his father was POTUS, Jack Ford hooked up with the Andy Warhol crowd and he was rumored to have had a fling with Bianca Jagger.

He also bragged about smoking weed in the White House.

Redford is too homophobic to have a gay child. He’d be more worried about how it would affect HIM.

Redford isn't homophobic

Hmmmmm

[quote]Redford isn't homophobic

Right, he's narcissistic.

I was surprised to find out Billy Preston was gay.

Has Chuck Connors been mentioned? Word was that he liked 'em young. His co-star on The Rifleman (Johnny Crawford) was also gay, and at one point after he'd grown up he was actually procuring boys for Connors.

Saw Van Johnson at the Five Oaks ( or was it Bon Soir?) in the late 80s. He was having a grand time.

Chuck Connors was also in a grainy porn loop long before he got hit it big in Hollywood.

R463, Johnny Crawford went full frontal in “The Naked Ape”(1973).

Hugh and Deborra-Lee have issued a statement:

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We further decided that if we move sufficiently apart so as never again have to encounter each other's face, which distance is our mutual goal, our wonderful fans would notice and wonder.

So we, Mr. Jackman and Ms. Furness, today announce that we will henceforth be living in extremely heterosexual communities at least 100 miles from each other.

We ask that our fans respect our privacy at this emotional moment, until such time as Ms. Furness launches her OnlyFans site and Mr. Jackman emerges on Grindr.

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Majors was married as a college student. And had a kid. But when Rock called and told him to come to hollywood… the baby and the little one were left in Kentucky. Then he denied ever meeting Rock. Ah those pre-Internet days...

^ I don't know her!

And let's not forget the portrait of Rock in Lee's study.

Lee Majors made a really unconvincing bottle-blonde. He looks like a small-town hairstylist. Or a florist.

Or just a super-gay cowboy.

I've written this before. (I hope not on this thread.)

I worked with a straight guy for a number of years. He never spoke about homosexuality he had no interest in it. Except once. His uncle was an important detective in NY and made it into books like Prince of the City. He knew a lot of people in the city.

This guy I worked with was a big movie nut and we were talking about The Bridge on the River Kwai. He told me his uncle told him that William Holden was gay but he liked his movies anyway. I've never heard any rumors about Holden anywhere else but coming from this guy it was so unexpected and he had no reason to lie. It never came up again. Why would he lie about such a thing when he certainly wasn't the gossipy sort at all? Nobody believes it. I don't know what to think.

I don’t think he was gay but he no doubt used the casting couch to his advantage r472.

Well that's a definitely a possibility. Maybe like Steve McQueen

Holden was a deeply unhappy, self-destructive alcoholic who literally drank himself to death at age 63:

[quote]According to the Los Angeles County Coroner's autopsy report, Holden bled to death in his apartment in Santa Monica, California, on November 12, 1981, after lacerating his forehead from slipping on a rug while intoxicated and hitting a bedside table. Forensic evidence recovered at the scene suggested that he was conscious for at least half an hour after the fall. His body was found four days later.

So anything is possible.

Older gays like me come from a way of thinking that categorized guys into gay and not gay. The fact is a lot of guys swing back and forth, and many choose to be permanently with women. Movie stars have people throwing themselves at them all the time. Buster Keaton used to say he'd go to his dressing room and there would always be a naked girl waiting for him. So sure they'd use sex to get ahead, or get some head. Or more.

That wasn't me, no matter what that bitch Neely O'Hara says,r476.

Jesus. William Holden - not gay, not a true rumor, nothing.

Yeah, the Holden rumor is absurd.

Aw, that's sweet that Lee kept a picture of his boyfriend on the wall

R470 That photo looks altered.

Lee is a terrible actor but so easy on the eyes.

Pinky Lee?, r482?

Lee Majors r483.

LOL there are still people surprised that Lee is a big mo and Farah was a big lez lez?

Joan must have been so embarrassed about Johnny going full frontal in a movie.

R485, would a big Lez have married that pig Ryan O'Neal?

My guess is that she was straight, but she either willing to marry a bi man for whatever reason, or at that point in her life she wanted to be part of a power couple even if that meant bearding.

Funny how Johnny Crawford married a woman relatively late in his life.

[quote] and Farah was a big lez lez

What's this about me now?

Lee Majors must have been G4P. Period.

Henry Louis Gates hit on a female friend of mine while she was walking her biracial baby in a stroller.

^ Where is the gay part?!

He was called gay upthread.

I don't know if this will surprise anyone but Billy Zane. Definitely.

r494, details please!

There have been Bi rumors about Zane.

Or maybe there are gay rumors too, every man who overplucks his eyebrows gets gay rumors.

I love you, r489, but I am....

Farrah surprises me.

Lynn Swann, surprising maybe because he’s a black conservative.

The best Farrah stories are how she hated to wait in line for the bathroom or use it while other people were in it. So she would just go outside and pinch dookies on lawns. She was a real hygiene pig

So much blame placed on Ryan O’Neal for the way that their son Redmond turned out, but Farrah was a bit effed up her own damn self. She was allegedly a kleptomaniac even when she hit the big time.

R487, Farrah was too stupid and unsophisticated to figure out she was a lez if she was. And too high.

James Daly

R503, There was an ugly palimony lawsuit filed by his boyfriend after he died.

Van Heflin won a supporting Oscar for playing Robert Taylor’s alcoholic best buddy “sidekick “ in “Johnny Eager” (1941). Though disguised, the homoerotic element is decidedly present.

I’ve always found Heflin’s masculine presence attractive in such later films as “Green Dolphin Street,” “The Strange Love of Martha Ivers,” “Shane,” and “3:10 to Yuma.” Even in later life, as he got thicker, and the ravages of his own alcoholism took their toll, he still had the same kind of dad-bod attractiveness, in “The Greatest Story Ever Told” and “Airport.”

But I’ve never heard any indication he was gay.

From his delivery, appearance, and demeanor, I had no idea how much Van Johnson reminds me of Donald Trump.

Fascinating.

Van Johnson is watchable. He doesn't make you want to throw up.

Well this was a real shocker and I just found out last night-Bob Gurr.

R505, FUN FACT:

Frances Heflin, Van’s sister, played Susan Lucci’s mother on AMC.

I never liked Van Johnson and they tried SO hard to make him happen. His smarmy baby face turned me off.

Laird Cregar

Yasser Arafat should keep dying a million deaths...once wasn't good enough for that evil POS

Why Ryan O'Neal marry a lez?

Why would Ryan marry a lez?

R511 That was about as much of a surprise as Liberace being gay.

R509, indeed and when Heflin passed away in real life, they had the character of Mona, Erica's mother die on the show. With that said, apparently a few years back when their were rumors that AMC was trying to hire Dierdre Hall, Lucci was telling people that Hall would be playing Mona, who they were going to say hadn't really died after all...

[quote]Frances Heflin, Van’s sister, played Susan Lucci’s mother on AMC.

Frances Heflin was in the original Broadway production of Thornton Wilder's "The Skin of Our Teeth," along with Tallulah Bankhead and Montgomery Clift.

Fredric March, Florence Eldridge, Tallullah Bankhead, Montgomery Clift, Frances Heflin.

I love that story of Clift before he became famous. He was admiring his face in a mirror and a roommate walked by and Clift turned to him and said why are you so ugly?! KARMA!

What is Alf doing in the photo at R518?

He's just visiting.

I was shocked when I found out Raymond Burr was Gay. Truly.

With the gay rumors in this thread about Lee Majors and Peter Breck, we might as well complete the Big Valley trifecta and ask: were there ever any gay rumors about Richard Long?

[quote]With the gay rumors in this thread about Lee Majors and Peter Breck, we might as well complete the Big Valley trifecta and ask: were there ever any gay rumors about Richard Long?

Richard Long was not a fag, and I'm the dame who can prove it.

Richard Long was married to Suzan Ball, Lucy’s cousin.

She underwent a leg amputation due to a tumor and then died of cancer at only 21.

I've often wondered about Kevin McCarthy (the actor, not that piece of dog shit in Washington). I know he had 2 long term marriages the produced children, but that doesn't prove anything. He was very close (if not best) friends with Montgomery Cliff. I read a book he wrote many years back and he talked about being in a city with Cliff when Cliff went missing during an outing. McCarthy said he searched high and low for him and finally found a gay sauna and decided to go in to see if he was in there. Oh boy was he in there. McCarthy said he found Montgomery in a room, naked, on his back on the floor and a group of naked men standing around him ejaculating all over him.

Likewise a long time ago (so the early 1980's) an older gent in NYC told me Monty was a regular at (I think) Badlands or one of the bars at Christopher and West Streets in the 1960's.

He said he'd seen him a number of times, fucked up and face down on the pool table taking load after load.

That info was in the Patricia Bosworth bio of Monty.

^ Monty's 50 Load Weekend

Yeah, Bosworth described McCarthy as Clift's freind/caretaker/enabler, and I always wondered what kind of straight man would get into such a friendship.

So... gay as well?

Monty Hall was gay?

Does Joanna know?

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That's a silly name, r524.

r524 Which one: Phoebe Figalilly or Dick Long?

[quote]I was shocked when I found out Raymond Burr was Gay. Truly.

I wasn't.

Was Hopper gay?

Yes, R537. He was also the son of gossip queen Hedda Hopper.

R526, McCarthy was with Monty the night of his disfiguring car accident.

Monty Clift, Kevin McCarthy, and McCarthy's wife Augusta Dabney were [italic]inseparable[/italic]. They often dined together, nightclubbed together, went on long trips together, etc., leading to many wink-wink rumors about the trio being in a ménage à trois.

That guy at R526 is a good looking daddy. Was he an actor?

He is Melissa's father.

^You sir are a liar. A big fat filthy LIAR!

Does anyone know anything about Montgomery Clift's childhood or his parents, etc. Because in the picture at R540, it seems like the McCarthys were the closest thing he had to a family, where he could actually be himself and feel human. Times were tough back then for Gays.

R544, This documentary by his nephew is excellent.

Clift was a child actor and did very well on Broadway from an early age, performing in many important productions, Like The Skin of our Teeth, with Tallulah.

Don't forget La Liz. Miss Taylor was probably his closest female friend.

He had a twin sister (Ethel) who died in 2014 or 2015. And he had a younger brother (William), also an actor, who resembled his brother very much.

His father was the VP of a bank in Omaha (Clift's birthplace).

They were Quaker stock.

Cliff’s mother was a bigoted snob. Like Tyrone Power’s mother. And William Hopper’s mother too.

[quote]Omaha (Clift's birthplace).

What a dump!

R548, And Peter Lawford’s mother.

[quote]Cliff’s mother was a bigoted snob.

Cliff who, dear? Huxtable?

R541, You're kidding with the question, right?

Where's the huh part about Montgomery Clift?

I thought McCarthy was the homophobe who abandoned Monty when he realized Monty was gay.

[quote]Cliff’s mother was a bigoted snob. Like Tyrone Power’s mother. And William Hopper’s mother too.

R548 = Louella Parsons

Louella was a bigoted snob.

I had the distinct displeasure of young Henry Louis Gates as a professor at Cornell. Pompous blowhard QUEEN! Also had Cornel West as guest lecturer - GREAT FUN despite being a pompous blowhard. Quite likable. Seems like a queen to me.

R547, William Brooks Clift, aka Brooks Clift, was Monty's older brother. He had a son, Jamison, with actress Kim Stanley.

Their mother Sunny was the illegitimate daughter of Woodbury Blair, son of Postmaster General Montgomery Blair, and Maria Latham Anderson, daughter of Civil War hero Robert Anderson. Sunny was adopted out and neither the Blairs nor the Andersons acknowleged her as their own. Sunny spent her life trying to convince everybody that she was of aristocratic lineage and raised her children as if they were. The Clift kids were raised in Europe and privately tutored until the Crash and Great Depression forced the family to move back to Omaha.

R554, the McCarthys severed ties with Clift because he was a drug addict, whose behavior had become erratic, needy, and unbearable. When Clift endangered the life of their son, whom they left in his care, they were done with him.

Clift and newly divorced McCarthy briefly reunited on the set of The Misfits in 1961, but the camaraderie of the past was long gone.

Joe Frazier

Wouldn't surprise me after hearing his catty response to Muhammad Ali lighting the Olympic torch!

R557 he has always given me those vibes. I could never warm up to him.

I am super upset that Elliott Gould isn’t on tv regularly. He was EXTREMELY handsome. In the Life of Brian it was mentioned about Spencer Tracy, I think it was Biggus Dickus actually that said it

No, r563. It was his wife Incontinentia. Incontinentia Buttox.

My late Mom had a gay co-worker at a Federal agency back at the height of the Mccarthy era in the extremely homophobic 50's. She had to sign a buttload of affidavits swearing she was "not now nor was she ever a member of the Communist party".

My Mom became very close friends with him; they went on several platonic "dates", and he even took her to a gay bar once. She mentioned feeling very uncomfortable, as she was the only woman there. They left fairly quickly, as it was obvious the patrons were less than pleased by her presence.

Anyway, to get to the point, my Mom's friend was from San Francisco, and his ex-boyfriend had worked as part of the crew at a couple of the major studios in Hollywood in the forties and early to mid fifties. He knew all the gay dirt on all the big names.

Here are the names my Mom's friend told her.

Remember, this was way before the mainstream media even hinted at these actors being gay/bi.

Errol Flynn Rock Hudson Tyrone Power Van Johnson Peter Lawford Monty Clift Cary Grant Danny Kaye Laurence Olivier

Of course, several years later, all those names have been discussed as being gay/bi, except for one, who to my knowledge, has never been mentioned: Jerry Lewis.

My Mom's friend claimed it was well known in Hollywood circles that Lewis was gay, or at least bi.

Concerning Van, her friend told her that Van was picked up by the cops a couple of times for soliciting underage boys. The studio had to pay a fortune to hush things up and keep it out of the papers.

An extremely homophobic co-worker had it in for my Mom's friend. It goes without saying that even a hint of being gay in those days, especially at a Federal agency, would have been grounds for immediate termination.

Not sure how this other co-worker found out, as her friend was in the closet (or tried to be), but he approached my Mom one day and told her "Stay away from that fag if you know what's good for you".

My Mom told her friend, and out of a combination of a fear of being fired/outed, and a desire to return to SF to try and reconcile with his boyfriend, he quit and returned to SF.

My Mom and he continued to correspond for about a year. One day my Mom got a letter from his sister; her friend had committed suicide. My Mom was devastated. Although she denied it until the day she died, I'm convinced that despite his being gay, he was the true love of her life. I'm pretty sure she would have married him had he asked her. I even think she could have accepted his relationships with other men.

She kept his picture all those years later. He was very handsome; tall and well built. He had been a print model for Arrow shirts back in SF. He had a great sense of humor, and enjoyed my Mom's company immensely. He took her to all the hit shows, and the best restaurants and clubs.

My Mom wrote back to his sister and asked about the circumstances of his suicide; she never heard back. My Mom seemed to think he might have been despondent after breaking up with his boyfriend again.

I hope you all don't mind my sharing the above memories with you. Thank you for understanding.

R565, Dean and Jerry showering.

[R530] You bet he was! Go to Bio of him on Wikipedia and the section on his Personal Life, the likes of Truman Capote(?) said they were LOVERS! Also, it mentions a long list of 'relationships' with actors and such, including the! young English actor Roddy MacDonald! (When Clift broke up with him, he contemplated: suicide!) My take on Monty he had a healthy streak of narcissism, and he couldn't find MR. RIGHT to fit his perception of a lover worthy of him! Too bad!

R565. Thank you for sharing that story. We need to hear stories from our shared history, even if the people who lived them are gone. Maybe especially then

^ I agree

[quote]Also, it mentions a long list of 'relationships' with actors and such, including the! young English actor Roddy MacDonald!

WHO?

Roddy MacDonald. You know, in that film How Dusty Was My Butte. He was also in the Planet of the Monkeys film.

"My Mom's friend claimed it was well known in Hollywood circles that Lewis was gay, or at least bi."

Lewis had six or seven children. I'm going to rule out Gaaaaay.

Sheesh I know plenty of gay men who fucked their wives and raised families. Old school.

As for Lewis, I don't think he was gay with that many kids, but Bi is a distinct possibility.

I heard an extended interview with him on "Fresh Air", and he started going on about his feelings for Dean Martin, said repeatedly that "I loved him". "I really loved him" and so on, and then he'd say that it was in a platonic or spiritual sense or some such bullshit. He sounded like he'd been truly in love when he was younger and couldn't act on it or even admit it to himself at the time, but had come to accept his feelings in his old age, and even talk about them in public, when the times were more understanding and he was too old to worry about a career.

I saw Van Johnson in La Cage on Broadway. Could not even carry a tune. Embarrassing. I don't know how Arthur Laurents ok'd his casting especially after he fired Robert Stack.

For years I have loved reading the gossip and scandals of old Hollywood. As I recall, It was pretty common knowledge that Van Johnson was Gay. Tyrone Power was Bi, but probably leaning Gay. After all, he had an affair with Judy Garland and was hurt when she refused to marry him. Errol Flynn wasn't Gay. He was a wild, hard drinking prankster. Never heard any rumors about Jerry Lewis. I just could not stand him or his movies, because of of his brand of slapstick comedy. Now Peter Lawford was a complete mess and Gay, Gay, Gay. No wonder Pat LAwford was a drunk.

Weird. I watch old episodes of “Password” with Peter Lawford. I don’t get a gay vibe from him.

He's British which sounds gay.

Peter Lawford What's My Line?

Wasn’t Hugh O’Brian supposed to be gay? I would never have guessed Mr. Hairy Chest was one of us after watching the 1960’s version of “And Then There Were None”.

R579, to me Lawford always seemed like a slightly obnoxious straight boy who loved attention.

Oops. The correct title was “Ten Little Indians” (1965).

R571 Don’t you mean Roddy McDowell?

[quote]He's British which sounds gay.

Being British is gay adjacent.

[quote]Wasn’t Hugh O’Brian supposed to be gay? I would never have guessed Mr. Hairy Chest was one of us after watching the 1960’s version of “And Then There Were None”.

Hugh O'Brian married for the first and only time when he was 81 years old, 10 years before his death. Perhaps that was the source of some of the gay rumors, that such a good-looking man wasn't married until the last 10 years of his life.

Flynn may have been mainly straight but I thought it was known that he and Capote fucked--unless that ws more of Truman's lying.

And didn’t David Niven accuse Errol of making a pass at him?

R575-Laurents did not fire Robert Stack. He berated Stack in front of the entire company during a rehearsal and Stack quit on the spot, after telling Arthur to go fuck himself.

R588, Could Robert Stack sing?

Peter Lawford was in the closet, shoved to the very back of the closet by his mother and his handlers when he was making a movie with June Allyson. He was marked for stardom as one of the posh leading men Hollywood was so fond of, but he just missed it, never got as big as he was first destined to be. Sinatra kept his career going for a while, but after JFK ditched Sinatra, Sinatra ditched Peter. I read a biography of LAwford, and his mother was a real piece of work. She knew he was Gay, but she was determined to keep his career on track. She was meddlesome and overbearing. She completely dominated him. I remember one story vividly where Peter used to go down to Santa Monica to the beach to hang out and swim with a group of young men, and have sex. When the studio got wind of it, he was reigned in quickly. As he got older he fell into drugs and alcohol in a big way. He was the one who introduced Elizabeth Taylor to the used car salesman who supplied him with drugs. Peter was into alcohol, pills, and cocaine.

R590, Henry Wynberg

Peter Lawford and Sal Mineo were fuckbuddies during the lengthy 3 month shoot of "Exodus" (1960) in Israel and Cyprus.

Maureen O'Hara claimed in her autobiography that, while filming "Kangaroo" (1952) in Australia, her co-stars, Lawford and Richard Boone (!), were arrested in a gay brothel "full of beautiful boys."

Of course, Lawford also had his many dalliances with the glamour stars of MGM, including Lana Turner, who claimed he was a lousy lover.

Duke Ellington. Yes, Duke Ellington, the legendary composer was Gay. So was George Gershwin. WE are so focused on Cole Porter we forget these two.

R589-Of course not.

You could spot Van Johnson's gayness from outer space, but Keenan Wynn's surprised me. Of the whole Van-Evie-Keenan saga, Papa Ed Wynn commented, "I can't keep them straight. Evie loves Keenan. Keenan loves Evie. Van loves Evie. Evie loves Van. Van loves Keenan. Keenan loves Van."

George Tobias. He played Abner Kravit in Bewitched but was hot when younger.

R592, Lawford gave Elizabeth Taylor her first screen kiss.

Elder gays will recall the brouhaha in the media when Peter Lawford married Mary Rowan, the 21 year old daughter of Dan “Laugh-In” Rowan, who was furious about the marriage.

R597 I didn't realize that! Which movie?

R587, I thought he said that Flynn making a pass at him is what ended their friendship