Do you believe in God now whereas before you doubted? What changed your belief system?

No. And I'm not even "spiritual," nor do I believe in free will anymore. Anything else you want to know?

Not at all.

Most religious people are disgusting hypocrites.

Why "be cautious"?

I was baptised at birth, but never raised as a Catholic. I've come back to the church. I know there's a lot of kiddy fiddlers, and their views on gay rights and abortion do not match my own, but I like the quiet comfort of Mass. I don't believe in capital G God. I believe in something, but I haven't defined it. Jesus seemed like a humble and accepting kind of guy. He's who I am drawn to follow. I just want to live a life where I am accepting of others, and help where I can.

No, of course not.

Organised religion is nothing but brainwash and I hope humanity will recognise that some day.

I believe theres a consciousness just above this one we are and always are connected to- like an umbilical cord, similar to the dream state being just below us. I’ve had several unexplainable experiences that confirm this for me. I believe ALL comes from this energy, both good AND bad.. Bad has a purpose and opportunity to learn from.

I also think the time and space continuum works like a projection onto a screen, and that what we experience has been disrupted or “swapped” throughout out lives, strutted and hinging upon out thoughts, emotions, and decisions. All outcomes and consequences sit alongside each other immovable like facets on a diamond until the moment they are acted upon. Time and space don’t exist on the other side, at least not in a way we can understand or comprehend in this dimension.

When we die, we’re shown reasons, associations and connections that completely eluded us alive. I find peace in that.

String theory, and “Many Lives Many Masters” are a good start.

I'm an agnostic, but I have a feeling I'll give my heart to Christ on my death bed.

I once was lost, but now am found, was blind, but now I see.

Which God? 🤔

Atheist here. Christianity showed me how full of shit all religions are

But I understand how weak minded people need to be controlled by a corrupt moral system. Religions, and Christianity in particular, dig their cultural hooks into people. And become a circular self validating system. The Greek Orthodox and Italian and Irish Catholics come to mind.

@r9, "Which God? "

Pick one...

I was raised atheist, and the closest I came to religion was dating a religious Conservative Jewish guy. I was able to get into that, somewhat, because I did like the ritual aspects and the community, and if you contort your mind enough, even as an atheist,, you can tell yourself it’s about some sort of universal consciousness or some such thing and find some meaning in it, while enjoying the discipline of the lifestyle (and Judaism is all about wrestling with God and the laws and finding meaning in that)…

Christianity, though?! Absolutely fucking insane. I guess you can’t see it if you’ve been raised in it, but some obscure rabbi gains followers two thousand years ago, raises enough of a stink he gets crucified, he RISES FROM THE DEAD, but, wait - he’s the son of God but also God? I mean, WHAT?? It’s fucking BANANAS to an outsider! 🤷🏻

gods are all man made manifestations. humans conceive gods as a means for not being responsible because god is in control.

Religion is just fear of death. No one knows what happens after you die, so why spend any time thinking about it?

[quote]No one knows what happens after you die,

Plenty of people know. YOU don't

Who knows, R15? Dead people? They ain’t talking.

Scientists are bewildered about certain variables they cannot explain- there’s certain parameters that allow life to live and flourish on this planet- just close but not too close to the sun, with gravity set strong enough to keep and atmosphere protecting us and that the earth spins to create tides. I read once, “It’s like a DJ set the stage, lighting, and a great studio mix in the DJ booth, then stepped out to have a cigarette.”

So yes, God is a DJ.

I choose to let the mystery be.

I went to Catholic school K-8, and I was already having doubts when I was in 6th grade.

We used to read Bible passages in religion class, and right from the beginning of Genesis I was thinking, "Wait a minute. This doesn't make sense."

I couldn't understand why there were two creation stories - one in chapter 1 the other I think in chapter 2 - that contradicted each other.

In one of them, Eve comes from Adam's rib, and in the other they're both created from dust (hence the observance of Ash Wednesday).

I also remember asking the nun - an angry, nasty woman who taught the 6th graders - why didn't we celebrate Passover if the Last Supper was a Passover dinner.

If Jesus did that, why wouldn't we?

The answer she gave was so long and so convoluted it made absolutely no sense to me.

It was the beginning of my doubting.

[quote]why didn't we celebrate Passover if the Last Supper was a Passover dinner.

I believe early Christianity WAS very Jewy - but over time became less and less so.

I was raised with no religion. My father was an atheist and my mother was an agnostic. I didn't know who Jesus was until the record came out of Jesus Christ Superstar when I was 16. I had never been baptized. I was baptized a Catholic when I was 22 and ironically my family is related to Pope Pius Xl. I was told that on condition of him becoming Pope he had to excommunicate the rest of his family because they were radicals in the church. If you can think for yourself then I believe religion is good but if you have to be told how to be a Christian then it can be be bad. I always felt bad that I didn't have religion to fall back on as a child (parents that shouldn't have been parents) but I was also grateful not to have been indoctrinated as a child. My beliefs stray from the "normal" I have always believed in reincarnation. I have come to the the conclusion that God is not one entity but is all of us combined as one. I believe Jesus is the creator who would have never taken credit for it. I believe that we exist with those that have passed over but with a veil between us where we are somewhat unaware of their existence but they are fully aware of ours. I pray everyday and could not exist without my spirituality. Sadly I think man took religion and used it to fulfill their own purposes, like money, power, control, and unfortunately sick endeavors. But noting is perfect here so if man is running something it will have a number of imperfections. Religion can be truly beautiful but you have to find it for yourself and not be told how to be religious

I have hopes, but not beliefs.

There is only one God. You shall have no other Gods before me...

Recovering catholic. I am a Diest.

[quote]Sadly I think man took religion and used it to fulfill their own purposes

Man CREATED religion and used it to fulfill their own purposes.

And the MAIN purpose is the control of others.

The main purpose of religion is to control WOMEN.

Recovering catholic. Devout Atheist. Not superstitious.

Whether it's politics or religion or any other topic, it's become so annoying to me to see people start their thoughts with "I believe...." and then the remainder of the sentence is something of which there is no evidence at all but just something the person wishes were true, or the person hopes explain what is unexplainable.

Maybe saying, "It's possible that....." is better than "I Believe...."

Why does this topic pop up every few months?

No, OP. I am not religious or spiritual at all. When I was a kid I knew none of it made any sense.

R15 is one of those.

[quote]When we die, we’re shown reasons, associations and connections that completely eluded us alive.

R6 I enjoyed your post... lots of newer science and good reflections/speculations. I think more recent quantum theory and cognitive science and theoretical math/cosmology are exposing the flaws of our (centuries-old) conceptual thinking about being, the physical universe, and the hard problem of consciousness. Space/time don't really exist. Entropy is selective - there are forces we don't understand. Gravity itself may be "particle-driven"...

Some of the responses to newer science and theories don't satisfy me much: the whole hologram, Matrix, multiverse, we are in simulation of a higher intelligence just seems off-topic to me.

But your quote above (and it's quite like the scriptural "now we see through a glass darkly, but then we will see face-to-face...") is curious to me. What is the "we" after death? Who "shows" us?

I do, absolutely, think that our "consciousness", as we currently understand and name it, is really more a filter than absolute awareness. Cognitive scientist Donald Hoffman says we have "headset" that selects incomplete info about existence and the universe... interesting research shows that during psychedelic experiences brain activity SLOWS down, not fires up. Most our brain holds habits, culture, patterns, constructs that "block out" awareness.

A long post (sorry) to respond to your ideas... because I think Buddhism matches a lot of what you are saying and aligns with much of the emerging science. Studying awareness, watching the mind, seeing how all is impermanent, empty... in that clarity the primordial, pristine Mind looks beyond the constructs like "God, quantum mechanics, physical realities" etc.

No. If you still believe l in fairy tales perhaps y you may enjoy a Highlights to peruse.

[quote][R15] is one of those.

One of what?

What's interesting is how people who have no spirituality seem to think they're SUPERIOR to those who do. We come from nowhere and return to nothing. You gurls is DEEP.

I'm ROCK SOLID in my beliefs. Except they're not beliefs, it's KNOWLEDGE & EXPERIENCE. I didn't choose that path. I was forced along it. I had no particular desire to find religion or any of it.

Trouble is, a lot of you gurls, the minute you see words like religion and spirituality - you immediately think of queer haters and people like that and have a gut reaction. It's sad that those are the sorts of people who seem to be the face of spirituality and Christianity in America. Ignorant people who are full of hate wearing the mask of spirituality and religion. I have no association with such people.

Personally, I prefer dollface threads to all this. So I'm going to see if there are any new ones around. Nice ones. Not people being attacked by a hog and stuff like that.

R14 nailed it.

Religion is a crutch for weak and very scared people. OP, wtf does that mean “be careful”. You posted a thread you better be able to withstand differing views.

I grew up in a very fundamentalist Church of Christ religion We were taught “FEAR.” We were to fear everything. We cussed we went to Hell. We swam with the opposite sex in more than cutoffs and we went to Hell. If I did not attend church three times a week we would end up in hell. You get the picture. Fear based religion is not the way for any child to live. How dare my dysfunctional parents.

My father grew up in LA and was in gangs, stole cars, etc. He credits the church. Religion should be a choice for children and not constantly pushed on them.

When I came out my parents told the family it’s him or us. I have been plagued with many diseases and my parents said it’s my punishment for being gay. Fuck them and fuck religion. Those types of religious freaks destroy the benefit of even being spiritual. There is no compromise, no room for error it’s a constant struggle to be perfect. No thank you.

My parents said they could not continue to talk to me, because if they did they would be condoning sin. Knock yourself out. You choose an invisible God over a child. I told my parents I hope they are free from sin and only have those in their life that are absolutely perfect. No one knows what anyone does in their home. For them to decide who is worthy of their love and adoration because that person is deemed perfect in their eyes is pathetic.

Judgmental Christian lunatics who lack a sense of self ruin religions for everyone. In some aspects, I do see the benefits of a religion (sense of community, belonging, support, etc etc). It’s just finding that type of spiritual connection is difficult.

I believe in God in some sense, but I went through a rebellious anti-religion phase as a teenager, one that my mother was mortified by and has never forgotten. Most gay people do because religion tends to frown upon us, but I got all that anger out in my youth and as it stands today, I'm not really jaded when it comes to religion or spirituality anymore. I used to be very sensitive to religious zealots spewing homophobic shit, but now I simply don't have it in me to care. Fighting with them serves zero purpose—you will never win the argument, so I choose not to participate in their games.

I've always had a rocky relationship with organized religion, and I wasn't really raised religious. My mom was the daughter of a staunch Irish Catholic dad and was raised in that religion; my grandmother, who was half-Russian Jewish but raised a Lutheran, converted to Catholicism to marry him. I'd describe my mom as the typical cafeteria Catholic, and we hardly ever went to mass (I was baptized in the Catholic Church). My dad was brought up in LA and had a bigger worldview than my mom, and has always been a hardlined agnostic who doesn't entertain anything in the realm of spiritual or supernatural.

As I've gotten older and considered it more, I really can't accept the idea that everything that has ever happened on this planet is just pure happenstance and that there isn't some sort of cosmic reason behind it all. I have also had a number of weird experiences in my life that make it impossible for me to not believe in "something"—whatever that "something" is, though, I think religion often gets it wrong. I think there has to be a reason we are here, but it's ineffable and beyond us. I just try to stay humble and hope for the best.

One of those who claims to know what happens after death. You don't. No one does R33.

R33 is one of the worst types.

Yes, as R3 said, whatever does being "cautious" mean?

In this thread, that is. OP?

I was in a horrible car accident that involved a terrible injury to my head. I was in a coma for days. My heart stopped beating six times over a two-week period. When I came out of the coma, I had to re-learn to speak, talk, walk, and do basic things, and had lost my memory of the last couple of years. For several months, I was on heavy pain-killers and sedatives.

During this time, I had a dream that I was a fancy restaurant, eating lamb chops, and I realized that the restaurant must be the kingdom of heaven and the lamb chop was Jesus Christ. When the waiter asked if I wanted anything more, I realized that I wanted to live and to spread the gospel.

Luckily, they gave me some even stronger drugs and I got over it.

I had an anaphylactic episode and an OoB experience and was headed for what's been said to be heaven about 40 years ago. The approach, anyway, is a lot more like Space Mountain at Disney World than a choir of angels - lots of noise and light - but I never got to the other side. And, of course, never saw Jesus, St. Peter, a single angel - nothin'. And the defibrillator worked: they got me back into a normal sinus rhythm but not until after I'd been floating around up by the ceiling in the ER looking down at the docs getting me started again.

I'd have been willing to believe in God but having gotten THAT CLOSE and not getting in, I figure they don't want me and that's just fine by me. I'm happier here.

Did you at least get your hand stamped, r41?

I posted this before. I took my three dogs down to a park next to an industrial site here in Tampa on my husband’s birthday.

While getting out of the car, one of them, the feisty rescue we had recently saved, slipped the leash and darted clean across the parking lot and towards the busy street. While chasing him, I slid on a wet patch of grass, fell, scraped my knee badly and as a giant 18 wheeler bear down on him, I got up and screamed at the top of my lungs, with all my energy, “NO!”

Then something weird happened.

I felt the NO! In every fiber of my being, yet more than that- I felt it in all four different “realms” at once. We are in one realm, but I definitely felt the other three, that run parallel, along and aside our world like currents, quadrants or mirrors. I had once felt this before decades ago out in a club after ingesting a strong drug, but am 11 years sober now.

Our realm cannot exist without the other three, propped up and “vibing” a certain way. It felt like a tremor, a shimmer, or a vibration that coursed through me and suddnely I could detect them. I believe anyone close to death, or has a life altering experience knows this same feeling well, and a naysayer would blame an adrenaline rush or being high from a drug. I believe drugs open doors, thresholds, and powers in our mind that are already there, and are buried by harsh reality when we’re very young. We are meant to unearth them.

Stephen King describes this as a “skinny”, where reality is thin and malleable.

This is difficult to explain, but for one shiny moment I was right in the middle of many different outcomes branching out from each other. And like facets on a diamond, all the outcomes all existed at the same time. I was THERE sitting and tearfully, explaining to my husband how the dog was killed on his birthday of all days, I was here as well. I saw and felt talking to him in what was milliseconds, yet felt it as fully though it was a real, drawn out conversation. I saw his face, his disbelief, and what it would do to our relationship. I felt it as though it was real, true and happened. I lived it fully in those milliseconds.

Then, like when we were kids watching an old time projection slide show, when one slide pushes out of the carousel to put another one in, it was like someone “swapped” the outcomes. It was so subtle, like a leaf turning in the wind, or a soft breath- you would have missed it, but one outcome was replaced with another,

and the dog popped out the other side of the truck unscathed with a little skip and a jag of my vision. It was like the jag on a VCR tape.

What didn’t make any sense was the long leash was still attached, the truck was doing 20mph, and hadn’t slowed down and the leash should’ve catched in the wheel as he went under, but he and the leash came out the other side untouched.

I couldn’t believe it, but when this happened a last year, it made me question absolutely everything about reality.

Thank you, your description is so vivid and it makes sense, Eldersage. I truly believe reality glitches now and then. I've shared a few bizarre and unexplainable incidents on here before.

Why do so many atheists rush in to answer a question that wasn’t addressed to them?

I knew that would be the case wen I saw the thread, but I don’t really get the reasoning.

Because a question asked?

r40, didn't that star Ted Danson?

If god existed kids wouldn't get cancer.

Fuck god with a rusty chainsaw.

[quote]Please be cautious

CUNT OP is afeared her god will get angwy.

R34 were you a Jehovah's Witness?

As a human, I know damn little. When it comes to silly stuff like all powerful gods and such, I simply don't have the time or creativity to create one. I know there are several ready-made gods available, but honestly I believe they are too expensive for what you may or may not get; besides, who needs more complications in their daily life.

I don't know if I believe in God. I think it is most likely there's nothing. Yet... I leave myself open to a surprise after I die... a state of slight openmindedness without actual belief? I don't lump all Christians in with the scorn and fiery hate of many DLers.

[quote]Please be cautious

WTF?

OP is a troll who hasn't posted anything on DL except the OP of this thread. The "please be cautious" stupidity makes me think he's not an English speaker.

Yes; however, I always believed but now stronger.

And, for the people who don't believe, that's fine and I have no intent on converting you. Your beliefs are yours and mine are mine.

I don’t think you can have meaningful belief without doubt. Doubt isn’t the opposite of belief, certainty of disbelief is.

Eldersage my wife had a similar experience driving home in an ice storm.

Why is everyone bashing organized religion when the question was about God? They are not one and the same. Of course organized religions, however well-meaning some of them are, are a complete racket. No one really knows what it's all about, or what happens after we die. Spirituality is very personal because it's about intuition. Religions should serve as guides, springboards to ideas and possibilities that you haven't considered and resonate with what you feel is true. Would be great to be part of a community where you were encouraged to share these ideas, without being told what was right or wrong.

Both of my parents had bad experiences in the Catholic church in their childhoods, so by the time I was born there was a total disregard for the Church itself though vague dogma and spirituality was still a part of my upbringing. I was encouraged to believe in God and explore what felt right to me which was all well and good until my great grandmother died at 92. I was 10, and the impact of her death threw me into a very dark, existential period where I began to question God's existence and the possibility of there being no life after death.

I was 19 when someone very close to me died. Not once since her death have I doubted her presence. On some plane of existence, which we in our human bodies with our limitations are not able to fully access, her essence and energy continues. I feel her, palpably. Several years after her death, I moved away from home, to a city where neither she nor I had ever lived. Through work, a woman entered my life who I slowly came to realize I had met before, years ago and miles away, through the person who had died. This woman had no idea who I was, that we'd ever met, or that we were connected in any way. There were, and continue to be, many such synchronicities too specific and, for lack of a better word, eerie, to be mere coincidence, but this is one major, undeniable example I can provide as some proof of an intelligent, guiding hand to the universe.

Intuition is a muscle that has to be exercised to be developed. The more open we are to the possibility of other dimensions or the existence of things beyond what we see, hear, and "know" scientifically, the more these mysterious things reveal themselves. My firsthand experiences, corroborated with what I've gleaned from various world religions and science, are my proof that our experience as physical bodies on earth are just one short stop in a very long, never ending journey.

Just the opposite.

The Internet and the Information Age have obviated any need to believe in a god as God is a manmade creation for a myriad of reasons. Take a look at our own Supreme Court and you see how Evangelicals have used Catholics as their willing stooges.

No- in fact as I’ve grown older less and less although I have some values and practices that might be called spiritual. They mostly revolve around acceptance and continuously working on acceptance. I also believe in the powers of love and forgiveness- forgiveness, acceptance and love are disciplines, not one offs. . Perhaps that is why I describe them as spiritual attributes.

Hi everybody!

"I was a Catholic. Until I reached the age of reason....."

No God. We are just organic matter that has evolved to a level of intelligence but fundamentally we are no different to a plant - grow, flourish, age, decay, die.

Did you make disease and the diamond blue? Did you make mankind after we made you? And the Devil too

The older I get the less I believe…if I ever really believed at all.

I do wish there was an afterlife. The thought of eternal rest scares the crap out of me

The opposite, actually.

God didn't create humans. Humans created "God." Or gods, as the case may be.

How much different is our current religious view on God compared to the Greek Mythological gods and other pagan beliefs? If you look at religious beliefs objectively, one simply replaced the other. I had doubts about God and Jesus and the saints since I was in grade school and attended parochial school. The older I got the more unanswered questions I had. By the time I was in my late 30s I considered myself an agnostic. Today I am basically an atheist.

R66 A person's view of God is so personal in ineffable. Even if you're one of the decreasing few who participate in organized religion, I think, your idea of what God looks like and the level of influence he/she/it has in a person's life and on the world is totally subjective and unique by degrees. Christianity syncretized with the Roman pantheon, gaining momentum around the year 400 or so, stealing bits and pieces of mythology to make conversion more palatable for "pagans," and demonizing the rest. The Romans did the same to the Greeks, as the Greeks did with Gods from Turkey and the rest of Asia Minor. The oldest God on record was a woman, who descended into the underworld and came back. Echoes of the resurrection, there. Most ancient world religions have a similar story, which resonates with me and leads me to believe there's a very important kernel of universal truth and wisdom within it. Something to do with the meaning of life, being stronger after a tragedy, and the cycle of death and rebirth.

Religion serves two purposes. To scare/control people into following certain societal guidelines, and to give people comfort that there is a creator out there and life has a meaning rather than we are dealing in a universe of chance and randomness.

I grew up in a warm, loving, church. Liberal. Live & let live kind of place. For what it's worth I always thought the creed of our church was awesome. "In essentials unity. In non-essentials charity. In all things love." The thinking seemed to be let's support each others spiritual journey, do what we can to help those in need in the community murder is almost always bad. All of which I still believe in, but traditional Christian thinking as it seems today, NO THANK YOU. By 5th grade it was clear to me that most people use religion to excuse not challenge their lives. It's a passive mindset which turns everything over to the clouds and keeps other people down - and in doing so the invisible cloud entity wants 10% of your earnings. And I was Protestant. I can only imagine what kind of feelings the more demanding faiths inspire.

R56 ElderLez, I would LOVE to hear her story!

This is my understanding of what happened. I had had major surgery in the winter on a Friday. Even though there was potential for a storm on Saturday evening she came in to spend the day with me in the hospital. She left later than she should have and the storm had already started. She was on the highway near JFK airport on the way home and the road was covered in ice. She lost control of the car. She could see that the vehicles in front of her were about to crash into each other and she was headed right for them. She had a moment of absolute terror, sent out an mental SOS and closed her eyes for a second. When she opened her eyes the two cars had crashed behind her. She has no idea how it is possible how she could gotten to the other side of them before the crash.

[quote] The thought of eternal rest scares the crap out of me

MARY!

I find much of the “art” of spirituality to be quite beautiful and I understand why people find comfort in it.

I’ve been thinking of the Bhagavad Gita since I saw Oppenheimer the other day: the famous line “I am become death - the destroyer of worlds” is so evocative and there are so many other examples of powerful and meaningful writing and music and other forms of art that speaks to billions of people.

So, I guess I mostly like the drama of religion and I understand why people find solace in it but I’m far more Buddhist than Christian.

Novenas to the Virgin Mary have worked for me.

As I'm in myself a "raging" mid-20s person, my wonder about faith and religion ebbs and flows with my series of situations. Yet, in the span of time recently, I have been very drawn to Jesus as someone who is all-loving, forgiving, and accepting. All the rulemaking of the past 2000+ years has been invented plainly by man. No involvement in Christ's ways or judgment. He never spoke against "homosexuals," and hardly spoke against much of anything now that I mention it. My heart is with the Lord and I am not going to deepen into the Catholic hate system I was raised around. Mass was just a get-together to see what clothes people were wearing, throwing money in the basket, and chewing magical crackers. No real substance.

I very much enjoy the music and the historical value of Mass don't get me wrong. It was the first truly organized music form in history, long before Opera and classical music invented suites or concertos. It is a true send-back into time, but I cannot side with the things clergy tend to say. Here in New Orleans, the clergy hammer on and on against social media. I have to agree in some ways, but denying the progression of humanity is exactly the fallacy the Church has had for many centuries.

I do believe in morality and trying to be the best person you can be. We all sin, and we all make bad decisions + mistakes that could hurt others or ourselves, but that is the journey. The universe itself is nothing but calamity - unorganized chaos. So are humans and the ride that is life.

Experiencing severe tragedy and privately dealing with loss (my ex and only boyfriend tragically died) made me have to re-evaluate how I feel about life, spirituality, and having faith in Jesus. The concept of Abrahamic God is rather a bit dated and I don't think it's exactly on point anymore over the past 2023 years AD, but I do think Jesus was something of substance. I miss feeling loved, but I feel more love and compassion when I consider Jesus as someone I can turn to.

R73 here to admit that I didn’t answer OP’s question: I “believed” in god as a child because I was basically told to in the American Judeo-Christian culture.

I don’t believe now but I’m also more easygoing regarding those who do - as long as they don’t use it to hurt others. If it is comforting and encourages a better life, I’m down with that.

When I was a child, I believed in god because that's what I was taught. When I grew up and realized that the "god" or "gods" we believe in are really just a factor of where one happens to be born, well it became pretty obvious that none of them exist. I really don't understand grown ups who believe in this kind of hocus pocus magic but then again, people voted for Trump.

Many people find it a scary world without a supreme being or a strong leader to follow and believe in. It's part delusion and part brainwashing.

Please be cautious but I would love to read your stories.

Please locate and use a better "To English" translator, sweetie.

Especially when you're politely asking us to be "cautious," which makes one want to suggest Muhammad being double-penetrated by Jesus and Allah.

Guys, guys -- OP asked nicely. He said "please."

Be cautious. This is Datalounge, and the topic is religion. Show some respect. There are traditions to uphold. If Muhammed is being double penetrated by Jesus and Allah, you're leaving Buddha and Moses out in the cold. Let them take a turn railing Muhammed, too.

Christ, this place is slipping.

I became religious again in 2019 after finding my name in the Bible Code.

I've also been watching lots of near death experiences on YT like this one below that is one of my favorites,

Bonus points are given in that I think she isn't 100% straight.

Here is my 2nd fave =

The Vologda Encounter =

The only Gods I believe in are the movie stars from the 20s through the 60s. They don't make Gods and Goddesses like that anymore.

R81, what is the bible code?

People are so stupid and afraid. Religion is nothing more than conditioning people from birth to follow and obey and give tithe to some ridiculous organizations. Fear is powered by heaven and hell, which don't exist.

This NDE is revealing =

Ruh Roh!

R85 The Bible Code a.k.a. The Torah Code is a set of encoded

words hidden within the Hebrew text of the Torah.

You can pay an expert online to find yourself or someone else inside the code.

Some claim that it predicts everyone's death age as well as cause of death but the cheap expert I hired didn't give me either of those.

R14 nailed it.

That's ridiculous, r90.

But I guess a fool is born every minute.

Interesting...

The 2023 Hawaii wildfire has been found in the Bible Code =

You're a dunce, r94. But keep tossing your money to these snake oil salesmen.

R95 It was a one time payment maybe 20 bucks so no big loss on my part.

I was amazed by my chart & recommend it for others who are curious.

Ingrid's NDE =

I went to a public school in a primarily Irish/Italian/Jewish neighborhood. In sixth grade we read some Greek Mythology in English class. At one point I raised my hand and asked the teacher if, when an Ancient Greek died, did they seen Zeus in Heaven?

He just laughed nervously.

No, but he saw Hades in the Underworld.

That would have been a nun's reply if I'd been in catholic school, R99. Even at nine I was very grateful I went to the public school instead.

A longer interview from Donna at R81.

She mentions a roommate several times in this =