BREAKING: Suspect Arrested in Long Island Serial Killings

Before you get mad at me for linking to the Post, I looked all over for another source that named him-- CBS, NBC. No luck.

𝙋𝒓𝙤𝒖𝙙𝒍𝙮 𝙖𝒏𝙙 𝙪𝒏𝙖𝒑𝙤𝒍𝙤𝒈𝙚𝒕𝙞𝒄𝙖𝒍𝙡𝒚 link the Post at every opportunity. Fight the petty tyranny of the shrieking howler monkey hall monitors.

"This all came down to phone data" they say in this article.

[quote] Investigators matched him to the crimes by tracking the phone calls made from burner phones to the victims' cell phones over 10 years ago. The location of the phone calls matched Heuermann's home address and his office address.

The guy kinda missed the point of using a burner.

What a dumbass. I'm curious to see if any of our New Yorkers here on DL know this guy!

From the NYTimes:

[quote]The first case to come light began in May 2010, when Shannan Gilbert, a 24-year-old from Jersey City, N.J., who worked as a prostitute, was reported missing on Long Island.

I thought the word "prostitute" was verboten?

Won't link to it, but the Daily Mail already has a ton of stuff up; pics of his shithole house, and even his marriage announcement. Can you imagine what the wife is going through right now?

Apparently it's Sen. Mike Rounds.

Genealogical DNA rumor on Twitter:

He looks like a classic serial killer from the 70s

What kind of sick fuck kills a toddler

He reminds me of Vincent Gardenia in Moonstruck.

I read the book Lost Girls which was all about this case. It was chilling. After killing one of the escorts, he began calling the escort's younger teenage sister and taunting her with how slowly and painfully he tortured her before murdering her. Nuts.

That’s a very tough 59.

Rough

The Asian murder victim was trans. Suddenly this case becomes important.

[quote]I thought the word "prostitute" was verboten?

They may have cut and pasted from an old NYT story when "sex worker" wasn't yet the preferred usage.

Finally.

Lol, r16, troll harder.

R11

They said they found bodies. I do not believe they said that all of these bodies are connected.

Billy Baldwin says he went to school with the guy.

R6 I think Dick Dyson is the preferred and more accepted term

Thank God, they captured this sociopath.

Granny, what was HS like for you?

Well there was this one boy who went on to be a serial killer who used to slip sweet notes into my locker

There was a gal who dogged a dating disaster.

I used to work with a woman who as a kid used to walk to and from school with Albert deSalvo, the alleged Boston Strangler.

She said he was a nice guy. Back then, anyway.

[Quote] I thought the word "prostitute" was verboten?

That is correct. The proper term is Prostitution Whore.

The story at r6 has been updated to read:

[quote]The killings came to light around May 2010 when Shannan Gilbert, a 24-year-old from Jersey City, N.J., who worked as an escort, was reported missing on Long Island. She disappeared while visiting a client in Oak Beach, a gated community three miles from Gilgo Beach.

Ugly as homemade soap.

Momma votes for the death penalty.

I’m almost 52. If I thought I’d look like him in 7 years, I’d kill myself now.

I DON’T UNDERSTAND THE BANGS!!!!

I knew the fucking Baldwins would be connected somehow.

Real Estate Interview with the killer

Let's try that agin pasting the link in the right place.

More clicks for Murdoch. Great.

The guy is pig ugly with dead little eyes. Guilty

He sho is ugly!

The suspect bears a striking resemblance to DL icon Ina Garten.

Gray Hughes covering it live and making some interesting points:

R11 - I do not know what kind of a sick fuck kills a toddler, but Mr. Massapequa is NOT linked to that case. He's indicted on 3 murders and is the lead suspect for a 4th murder, but not the toddler. At least 10 bodies have been found along that lonely stretch of Ocean Parkway around Gilgo Beach.

Ah, Massapequa NY... the town that keeps on giving! Christina Jorgensen, the band The Stray Cats, Jerry Seinfeld, Joey Buttafucco (remember him? Decades ago he fucked an underage Amy Fisher, who shot his wife), the Baldwins, the Gambino crime family lived there - yes, Carlo. Oh! And Liberty DeVito, who was once Billy Joel's drummer.

I knew that burg, once upon a time...

Breathes like a gigantic HOG.

Why am I always low key disappointed that these killers always look so basic dumb and ugly? Maybe there is something unsettling about the banality of evil and all that. Theyre never evil geniuses, just evil schlubs

Steve Guttenberg, John Savage, "Supergirl" Helen Slater, Dee Snider, Stuttering John, Candy Darling and Marvin Hamlisch are from Massapequa too.

Very interesting, OP. I was also certain a cop was responsible for these crimes.

I’m so excited they found the killer.

I wonder if he will be in a wheel soon like the Golden State Killer. What a pathetic display he faked in his wheelchair.

R44. Oops wheelchair soon

Sick fuck had a Tinder profile.

And his daughter was doxxed

An architect? He was probably a regular on DL's "tasteful friends" threads.

What is his grievance ? 92 gun permits? Red flag.🚩

Surveillance video.

[quote] The suspect arrested in connection with Long Island's Gilgo Beach murders has an older brother who killed a police captain in 1988 after striking him with his car while high on cocaine.

I don’t understand his connection to the shannan Gilbert murder. She was called out to a party on oak beach, ran off and was murdered. People said for awhile the suspect had cop connections—hmm

The police believe that Shannan Gilbert got lost in a patch of high reeds and died of exposure, R52. It's not as crazy as it sounds when you listen to her 911 call. She was in a very bad state, obviously drunk or high on something.

The woman Maureen was said to have gotten clients off Craigslist. She was banned from the site right before she went missing. Her friend said that she had regulars. I wonder if he had been with her before.

Who said he had 92 gun permits?

He started killing women in 1996?

First victim was in Fire Island.

@r53 her hyoid bone was broken, indicative of strangulation

I listened to the 911 calls Shannan Gilbert, she was running from home to home banging on doors and people opened their door for her but she would run off again. These people immediately called 911 after she showed up and ran off.

I listened to the 911 calls re: Shannan Gilbert,

If Shannan hadn't freaked and ran around that gated community those other victims may have never been found

Escort Claims Ex-SCPD Chief Burke Paid Her For Sex At Oak Beach Drug Party

He’s a huge hog beast.

Watching him in the interview posted up thread, I'd never guess he's so evil. Those poor girls, he tortured them, too. He's probably killed other girls, too. Do they know who killed the toddler? The families have suffered all these years. Sick and disturbing. I hope they're watching him so he doesn't kill himself. I want that fat bastard to to answer for this and hear that prison cell door close on him. He was stalking the families, too. Unbelievably evil.

He definitely gives off a trashbag, loser vibe in his interview.

Very Lawn Guyland.

I would avoid him. At best he’s just a trashy loser. At worst he’s… who he is.

What if they’re wrong? I mean, just using phone calls?

Have you read the thread, R66? They matched his DNA to the DNA on the bodies. It's not "just phone calls".

Sorry not the whole thing r67. Thanks.

The perp does resemble that ridiculous police sketch in the eyes. Hollowed out and 👽

[quote] His wife's DNA was found on three of the victims' bodies

[quote] Initially, authorities had been looking for Shannan Gilbert — another sex worker who escaped from a home and called 911. After police made the discoveries of the initial four bodies, they uncovered more human remains near beaches in Nassau and Suffolk Counties — including those of Gilbert.

Thank goodness they finally found this monster.

R62 The Hunt for the Long Island Serial Killer.-

I can't believe it," the neighbor said, before noting that other criminal cases in Massapequa Park were giving the city a poor reputation. "It's giving Massapequa Park people a really bad name. But I got to tell you, this is one of the best communities to live in. I mean, we got a great school system," he told PEOPLE, later adding that it was "very unfair" that crimes like these put a "big schmear" on the community.

If he had done this to boys every gay in the country would be sent to camps.

[quote]Neighbor Says Alleged Long Island Serial Killer Was a 'Quiet' Woodworker, Kept to Himself

The classic description. Whenever anyone is described as a quiet person who keeps to himself, I just assume he's a serial killer.

How did this fat pig get away with burying bodies near a beach???

If they make a movie about this serial killer , do you think the straight community or the LI residents will protest , like a bunch of clueless morons claiming this movie that had not been made yet reflects poorly on their community?

The 'quiet' or 'loner' description for pretty much any killer they can make it fit for is such a trope. I find it annoying because most of these killers were just normal people with normal social relations - it's demonizing quiet people (yes, I am one myself).

(I mean, normal people as in that in a lot of these cases nobody thought it of them, so they were passing as normal people.)

I did not follow this case, but overall this is one lurid, tragic, and disturbing story..

and as usual the horrid Daily Mail as all the info- the internet searches he made- word by word--

He googled the sister of a victim so he could call and taunt her...

These woman were apparently strangled- so this guy has a serious rage inside him-

Fucking scary-

Pursed lips, evil squinty eyes and a face that looks like it could be very evil.

Oh wait… he is evil! He is a damn Serial Killer.

I cannot wait to hear all his other rich friends try to disassociate themselves with him. I wonder if he lit up a room and was as sweet as Candy. Omg 😱 say it isn’t so… but he was so nice… kind… blah blah blah.

In OP's pic, he reminds me of an obese, alcoholic Tucker Carlson. Is this guy an actual architect or a desk monkey processing paperwork? Glad they caught this dangerous psycho.

[quote]I can't believe it," the neighbor said, before noting that other criminal cases in Massapequa Park were giving the city a poor reputation. "

Joey Buttafuoco and Amy Fisher were from Massapequa too.

Massapequa Park is right next to Amityville so maybe he can blame the house.

I still don’t understand how he was in Oak Beach. Vacation home? Friend’s house? Architecture job?

r86 it was just a short drive from his house and he probably knew about it because he may have done work there or had known someone there. I grew up 10 minutes away from Massapequa in Levittown and I don't ever remember even hearing the name Gilgo Beach so it must have been pretty private. I only knew about jones Beach.

R87 I live in Long Beach and we usually drive via Ocean Parkway when going to Suffolk county (it is a scenic drive) The Jones Beach communities are basically just a single road with maybe 50 - 100 houses and no normal other things so a random car would stick out and I imagine everyone knows everyone and all of their guests.

r88 someone did spot his truck which is one of the reasons they caught him.

his search history, yikes! and didn't he torment the relatives of the victims for years? this guy is really dark.

YES R91^^ That was the most frightening part to me

WHAT THE FUCK- That article is crazy. i never expected this..

Isn't he well off? Why is he living in a dump? I expected that he was the "nice neighbor' kind of guy...

I never expected that he was known as the neighborhood weirdo with the creepy and shitty house... Wow.

[QUOTE]I never expected that he was known as the neighborhood weirdo with the creepy and shitty house..

He wasn't though? Nobody seemed to have suspected him. You're kind of retrofitting this now that you know that he killed the women.

Woodworking= dismembering corpses and stuffing the remains in burlap sacks?

Shannan's remains was not cut up? Is this why cops know she isn't one of his victims? Did Shannan od out there?

The perp cried to his attorney and said he didn't do it. He is telling the truth, he did not kill Shannan but all them other women? And who knows how many? he did.

The wife's DNA being found on or near the victims is a shocking twist. The wife and kids were out of town when he went on a killing spree. What dna was found and where.

R93- Did you read the article?

I figured he was known as a good nerdy neighbor with a nice house..

Pilfering oranges at Whole foods?

Not at all what I suspected, I figured he was the type with a good image, polite, well liked, beautiful home...

Quiet is code for neighborhood weirdo. "Architect" or building management?

R95 No-one suspected him before the police got their DNA and phone evidence. Now everyone is retrofitting their recollections.

He sounds like one of those self-proclaimed “building engineer” types . They are actually glorified maintenance people. But it does sound like he learned to navigate the bureaucracy , so that’s a skill I suppose.

I’m guessing if he had formal education the NYT would gave delved into that.

R89- Would someone be kind enough to gift that article? Tia

I remember watching a documentary about this case years ago. It was very creepy and disturbing. I only remember that four of the victims had been discovered at that time, each buried eerily alike right off of the beach ( looked sandy) road. This was still at a time when they didn't know if the victim who called for help and disappeared onevid his victims or not. There were a lot of rumors about a law enforcement officers being involved in these murders.

As violent and hateful our society is, murderers and rapists do NOT fit in. Their interest is a solitary pursuit. The exception being the Hillside strangler and the Killer Clown who paid a boyfriend to build up the crawlspace in his house.

[quote]As violent and hateful our society is, murderers and rapists do NOT fit in.

Afraid that you're very much wrong on this. There are many examples of serial killers who married, had children, normal jobs, did not flag up on people's radars yet they were still killing people. I could name so many examples.

How can DeinSanity blame this all on the woke mob or gays?

It looks like another one hiding behind the flag 🇺🇸

He should have also used the cross ✝️

R92 There's a concept called disgust sensitivity and psychopaths actually tend to be very low in it, they can tolerate bad smells and disgusting imagery and might only bother with hygiene or cleaning their environment to impress or appease others so it actually tracks with the profile.

Wow.. Thank you R105

[quote] Neighbor reveals they threw away candy he gave kids on Halloween and banned them from going near his 'creepy' home

Architects keep homes as a show piece of their professional life. And would never choose to live in that part of Wrong Island.

He looks like Coach Biest

Beiste

The loner profile doesn’t really work for him, since he is married with two kids. I wonder what the wife is like.

How would a wife’s dna get on several of the bodies while his does not , at least on those same bodies?

Strands of the wife's hair were found on evidence around the bodies.

VERY CURIOUS, R112. I will be following the story with interest

Clearly, she framed him.

Most architects don’t make that much money. His business was expediting building permits and helping construction projects navigate the NYC Dept of Buildings regulations not designing homes for rich people He was a middle-middle class guy who lived in the modest house he grew up in, but he obviously didn’t do much upkeep.

According to this article, the current wife is his second wife. He has a 26-year-old daughter and a special needs son.

Maybe he would get the wife to sit on the victims’ faces as a twisted coup de grace

Family of Evil

NYT description of the dumping ground — For a killer looking to hide evidence of his crimes, it was the perfect spot. The straight, quiet stretch of Ocean Parkway would give him plenty of time to listen and watch for coming cars. Just off the road, a tall bramble of bushes and weeds grew so thick and thorny, even trained cadaver-sniffing dogs could barely penetrate it.

[quote]The accused architect’s mother, Dolores, 93, is still alive.

Jesus...imagine living to the age of 93 and discovering your son is a prolific serial killer. Well, maybe she has dementia and won't care.

Do people actually hang out at that beach or is it deserted?

You can just imagine what they would with a beached whale 🐳

I’m listening to the LISK podcast now from 2020. It can be a bit of a slog, especially because it paints the girls and their families out to be saints despite the fact that they’re all white trash. (I come from white trash and I know we are far from angels.)

In the episode about Melissa Barthalmey, they cover the calls he made of Melissa’s 15 year old sister using the dead girls cellphone. He would taunt her about Melissa’s death. He also knew things about the 15 year old sister that he learned from the phone. He mocked her as a bastard and a half-breed (bio father black).

It took the police forever to do anything about this. Eventually they were able to trace the cell tower one of the calls was made from — Massapequa.

This girl was 15 and already traumatized by the disappearance of her half-sister.

If this guy is convicted he should be tossed alive into a furnace.

Cops did a great job rounding this guy up. They knew early on what town he lived in based on the pings from the cell phone towers and they used the same data to conclude he commuted to work.

Does anybody know why it took them so long to figure it out using the cellphone data? Is this newer analysis technology? It does seem the investigation got bogged down in other issues with the local police over the last decade, but I still don’t understand why it took so long to solve this puzzle if they’ve had the cellphone data (and the description of his car) for the last decade.

I don't know but I am guessing the investigators took extra precautions to not botch the case.

I'm fascinated with the forensics used to catch this guy. I see it in action on the ID murder shows. Phone data, DNA on discarded trash, surveillance cameras, and good old witness observations. It warms my heart that evil deviants get caught this way. And yet so many cold cases are still unsolved. Humans can be so cruel.

There is at least one documentary on this case out there. I saw one about the woman who ran off from a "date" and was banging on doors before disappearing. What a dreadful way to die, and after she messed up her life by going into sex work.

A beached whale 🐳 they would probably fist and snuff

Has the movie been CASTED yet?

He looks like the cover photo of Serial Killer magazine. He towers over the police officers at 6'6. What a nightmare death, this massively tall, corpulent, dead eyed sadistic monster and knowing you can't escape.

He specifically chose tiny girls despite being a massive blob himself. Piece of shit.

6ft6? That is freakishly tall. Reportedly Edmund Kemper was 6ft9.

They had to narrow the field down from thousands who may have called from that area and Manhattan. He used burner phones so they did not know his name until last year.

I'm going to be very interested in the documentaries outlining this case.

He sort of looks like an older fatter version of Tucker Carlson.

Fuck he’s even uglier than I thought at r74. He looks not right.

If a pig took human form, it would look like him

[quote] and as usual the h̸o̸r̸r̸i̸d̸ 𝙞𝙣𝙛𝙤𝙧𝙢𝙖𝙩𝙞𝙫𝙚 Daily Mail has all the info

That's why the whole world looks to them for the news

[quote]That's why the whole world looks to them for the news

No they don't. The Fail has trashy peripheral gossip, right-wing trolling, lots of fake pictures promoting celebs. Other outlets are best for real news.

Timothée Chalamet IS Rex!

I’ve always been turned off by tall guys. A lot of them look like beasts

This prep used a victims mobile phone to call her relatives and taunt them.

So many people were soooo confident about their theories about the LISK. Many claimed police involvement. Yet no one ever mentioned this guy.

A lot of crow needs to be served up in this case.

It took me a little while to make the connection but the perp looks very much like a guy I used to know. He was a probation officer who not long into the job was arrested and convicted for coercing female probationers into sex.

Didn't at all see it coming. He seemed serious about his job and from casual contact a nice enough guy despite his unfortunate appearance.

[quote] Won't link to it, but the Daily Mail already has a ton of stuff up; pics of his shithole house, and even his marriage announcement.

We need a link. It’s not showing up.

Why is he described an architect

How did he kill them? Strangle? Because one article mentioned a hammer? I know all SK are sadistic, but this one seems to be one of the worse we have seen lately. Calling the sister of a victim is demonic.

Leo could play this guy but Christian Bale would be better. Bale has more gravitas. Physically, John C. Reilly is a closer match but he is too sympathetic and likeable.

Russell Crowe!!!

[quote] I can't believe it," the neighbor said, before noting that other criminal cases in Massapequa Park were giving the city a poor reputation. "

[quote]Joey Buttafuoco and Amy Fisher were from Massapequa too.

Jessica Hahn who was raped by Jim Bakker that started who the whole PTL scandal is from Massapequa too.

Here’s the thing. This guy is obviously a monster. But what do lawyers call it when they are aggravating circumstances? I don’t know the term, but the fucking phone calls he made to the sister, for me, they take it to an even higher level if that’s even possible. Just like EARSON, who also looooved to torment victims with repeated prank calls “I’m gonna kiiiiiillll you! I’m gonna kiiiiiilll you!” It is a very special level of sadism that I think is uncommon, *even amongst serial killers*. YES, they’re all not human. But to torture the family AFTER horrifically ending a sibling’s life? That is indeed next level.

What does that say? I think it says his heart is as purely filled with hatred, it’s a hatred so deep, so putrid, so twisted and distorted, that not one of us here can truly understand it or comprehend it. We aren’t built to comprehend it. And that is why, while I despise the pigs in most ways, we MUST respect those who deal with this level of violence. Once it enters your psyche, you are not the same person any longer. It marks you. It changes you.

I am the person who volunteers in a jail. I work with violent offenders weekly. But the funny thing is, none of them in five years have ever felt evil at all!!! But the ones who go to classes and seminars actually want to change and grow. I know there are indeed those in the jail who are “monsters” or whatever word you choose, but I don’t interact with them because they don’t choose to attend classes. Only one person scared me because he pursued me romantically, and I set firm boundaries, but he was a genius and a manipulator, and the last time I looked in his eyes — I felt afraid. I don’t want to say who he killed, but it was disturbing enough that I had him removed.

This guy will likely also not engage in any programming in jail and then prison. He will keep to himself. His size will give him enormous protection, though there may be a crazy person who still tests him by trying to fight him. I sure as fuck wouldn’t want to share a cell with this creature.

I just hope the families can start healing. I don’t like calling people white trash — these are the poor, it’s that simple. And they belong to us, we need to own that we built this society. These poor girls did not deserve to die, and they DO deserve justice, just like any other victim.

Vincent D'Onofrio

If he had not chosen to steal a victims mobile phone and call her family to taunt them, cops would not have known very early on in their investigation that he is a commuter from Massapequa.

R152- Brilliant. Great insight. And yes, the taunting messages are the key indicator to me that this guy is next level.

The only serial killer (or any killer) I have ever heard of taunting victims/families was EARONS (and possibly the Zodiak Killer?)

There are others too, they just aren’t as famous. Years ago I read Mindhunter, there was a case where a girl was kidnapped (and murdered) and the family thought she was still alive and I think he even had the girl write her family a long letter prior to him murdering her. So other cases do exist, but yes, Zodiac and EARSON are the big one that I can think of.

I would imagine many of them *want* to contact the family, but they know it increases the odds of being caught.

R156- Omg, that was gut wrenching. Her name was Sherri, I believe.

The cruel taunting phone calls is something Trump would do if he, indeed, turns out to be a Serial Killer

R158- Very true, he would.

Um r158? He DID do that. He used to do shit like talk to husbands about what it was like for them to bang their wives — while he had actually banged them too!!!! So yes, Trump did indeed do this. He victimized married couples and then sadistically taunted the husbands and was mercilessly laughing at them watching their reaction as they talked graphically about sex.

R160-I wish one of the husbands had shot him dead.

Yes r161 — they would have saved the entire world. I read a biography of him by that incredible journalist, I think his name is David Allen Coe maybe? It’s in his book, and it’s much worse than what I wrote here, I don’t recall the exact details, but it was DISGUSTING, and I fucking hate his guts.

[quote] I don’t know the term, but the fucking phone calls he made to the sister, for me, they take it to an even higher level if that’s even possible.

No, violently ending the life of another person is worse than saying scary/mean things on the telephone.

R163- i said that aspect TAKES IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL

As in, depravity- evil- ect...

this motherfucker is next level- evil.

R163 lacks reading comprehension.

To the person who asked about the beaches, please read the geography section in the link below. The Western end of the Island with Jones Beach State Park and the theater is very busy over the summer, but has no housing. The central and Eastern portions have small single street “communities” running parallel to the parkway on the north side, some with marinas and beaches to the south of the Parkway. The beaches in these areas are all restricted to some extent; either to the homeowners on the North side of the Parkway or to town of Babylon residents.

Does anyone have a link about him calling the families?

He was spotted on Google Street View.

Also Long Island is weird because lots of towns make up a “Town.” Babylon is in Babylon, but so is Lindenhurst and Deer Park and Amityville and and and.

When it isn’t beach season there isn’t much traffic on Ocean Parkway except for people coming to or from Long Beach Island from the East. Even in a place like Merrick the Southern State Parkway or Sunrise Highway are faster.

If it's such a small community where everyone knows one another and their visitors and who owns what car I am interested in knowing how one resident was able to order "dates' and neighbors not know what was up.

Shannan Gilbert was on a date, started flipping out and the date was canceled. The John tried to get her out of his home and she would not leave. She called the cops and told them " they are after me". She didn't know where she was and to the cops credit, they kept their patience to try to get a coherent answer from her. Her driver forcibly removed Shannan from the Johns home and she started screaming and ran out in the street.

Okay, please commit the following to memory: Amy Fisher (teen slut and later just a stripper) is NOT from Massapequa. Amy Fisher (teen slut, and later just a stripper) was raised in the town of Merrick. Merrick.

Massapequa has enough infamy without her.

Joey Buttafucco is from Massapequa. He is one of their own, along with the others listed in this thread.

^ Shannon’s story is the most curious part of this saga. Did this guy in fact kill her — or no? Did someone post that he told his lawyer he did not kill her (alluding that the others were his)? At first I thought that she had a psychotic breakdown AND that he killed her. Now I think that she had a psychotic break and that it is very possible someone else actually killed her! Which is insane. They had the record of the house she was at, they know who that John was, and there was that creepy dude who inserted himself in her case. Could it be that he is her killer (other creepy dude) but not this giant troll?

[quote] violently ending the life of another person is worse than saying scary/mean things on the telephone.

Unhinged people revel in the thought of people they dislike being murdered. It makes them feel special.

The perp said he didn't do it.

If it refers to Shannan Gilberts death, he told the truth.

He is being charged with the murder of four victims not including Shannan Gilbert's.

Investigators found the remains of 11 people including an Asian male and a toddler.

So what was this beach, just a convenient place for anyone with a dead body to drop it off? Are the charges for four murders because those are all they have evidence for implicating him? Because there’re still seven more dead people. Four is creepy enough. Creepier to think if there’s more than one serial killer.

I don't know the cause of Shannan Gilberts death. The only connection between her death and this serial killer is that her death revealed the remains of many others. This guy used dismemberment of the remains wrapped in burlap to get rid of his victims. I don't know if the other victims were found in this condition.

Investigators kept things quiet and deserve credit for the dedication and discretion. It's one thing to know a guy did it and another thing to prove he did.

Re: Google street view @ r168 - Oh my fuck. How do ppl find this shit?

DNA on three victims that belonged to his wife? Isn't that unusual? Not that I suspect she is involved in the murders, it just seems unusual.

Shannan was a sex worker who had a slight build, she had this in common with the victims. One neighbor who opened the door to her called the cops and described Shannan as a 14 year old kid.

Shannan advertised on Craigslist to find clients, this is also a shared set of circumstances with his victims.

R178 Possibly he used a sheet or blanket from the family home to transport the bodies?

Everything about this is very fucking weird. It is a relief this guy is in custody but what about the others bodies found? It's too crazy.

R180- Good thinking! He looks nasty like he would reek of BO. He could have had transferred her DNA just from being a filthy pig who never showers.

Look at 0:55 in the video at R50. Does anybody think that could be Heuermann, just younger and thinner?

R178, I have long hair and went to lunch yesterday in a friend's car. Return trip, I noticed one of my long hairs on the dashboard. I don't know why but long hair will get everywhere --- maybe each hair is weightier, or it's more noticeable.

Happens even when brushed thoroughly, so I usually wear it up, and always when cooking or serving guests.

R184- Very good example ,I remember leaving strands of my hair when it was long as well. Animal hair is another example. If you have ever owned a pet you know it gets everywhere, and I mean everywhere, lol. It was a few years ago when I watched the documentary on this case, but am recalling it correctly - at the time they had only found four victims?

Shannon Gilbert was bipolar and stopped taking her meds according to her parents. She went off with one of the guys to score drugs. She went to peoples houses for help. They let her in and she ran off again. Those people called the police, including a woman. Shannon either had a psychotic break or was on something. The 911 tapes make this clear. Even the guys are heard on the phone asking her to leave. That she’s scaring them. Her responses don’t even make sense.

If this perp did not do "it", how did his wife's hair (or DNA) end up on or near the remains of three victims?

The investigation revealed that wife was out of town when the victims were killed.

He is being charged with four murders. All of them were found by him through the adult service advertising in Craigslist.

The investigation revealed that he was communicating with these victims up to the point of their murders.

And in one instance even after killing he contacted a victims family and used precise language only the killer would know about the victim.

So that leaves all those other bodies found including the unidentified Asian male and a toddler.

It's already been said many times that it's unlikely that multiple serial killers are using the same dumping ground.

Mafia dumping ground?

There’s certainly a lot of mafia in the area. But I don’t think killing toddlers is really their thing so maybe serial killer, mafia and random domestic violence dumping ground.

He used one of his victim's cell phones to call and taunt her family. Nice guy! That affidavit posted above is fascinating - except for his sicko porn searches.

But the mob makes everything safe! Orderly!

Shannan did not escape from a home. She got way high, was canceled by her date but wouldn't leave his house until her driver attempted to forcibly remove her from the date's house. Then she ran out of the house and banged on the door of at least two other homes.

I only know this from listening to her 911 call and the 911 calls of neighbors who tried to help her.

This is just odd. Two serial killers using the same dumping ground? If they both kill a victim the same night do they flip a coin to see how gets the burial site first? Serial killer ethics? Then there is a victim who was frightened, being chased, near his home and the his kill site but she wasn't killed by him? Wth?

In the French guy interview video upthread, I can see how the perp might be able to gain the trust of his victims. He seems like a big goofy guy; an average suburban dad with disposable cash and an avuncular manner.

Couldn't it just be a case of the police having less evidence to charge him for those other murders right now? I find it hard to believe he wasn't involved in more than four.

I didn't expect that he'd live in a ramshackle dump, especially with him being an architect, owning his own firm in Mid-town, too.

1.He found his victims through Craigslist.

2.He disposed of his victims in a similar fashion.

3. The most shocking thing of all is that his wife's DNA was found on or near three of his victims!

the victims last communications were with someone using a burner phone and the phone pinged in the same areas as his real phone

As I mentioned up thread, there are numerous rumors about police involvement in these murders. Cover-ups, prostitution, drugs , just dirty cops covering for each other .

[quote]I’ve always been turned off by tall guys. A lot of them look like beasts

Tell me you're a midget without telling me you're a midget.

Accused serial killer Rex Heuermann allegedly 'staged' a car accident in an attempt to swindle $5 million from an elderly woman in 2017

The woman's boyfriend said he pretended to be severely injured for a lawsuit, ultimately receiving $55,000 from an insurance company

The audacious legal action was one of four suits launched by Heuermann between 2014 and 2022, all under the guise of a car accident

R196 Has the news released video of the interior of the home. It doesn’t look like a shackle from the exterior. Quite nice actually; but a typical type home in that part of Long Island. That home is easily worth close to a million dollars.

R202 Are you sure you are talking about the same house?

R203 oh my. I saw video footage of a truck traveling with evidence removed from the home and I assumed the house on the corner was theirs. That definitely wasn’t the home. My mistake.

Zillow says $630,000. Probably less after today's news...

R205 I think I thought the white colored house to the left was his. I still would not describe it as a shack. It would be considered a modest middle class home in the 70s, though likely built 2 decades earlier. It’s just an old single family home that has now aged. This is a very upper middle class part of Long Island.

I’m not that poster r206, but I completely agree to you. This house is on the ocean, near one of the most important cities on earth, plus home simply used to be smaller, the size wasn’t a huge factor in value, the value stems from its location.

*WITH dammit

Great area to raise a family with a dumping ground nearby. Convenient. The cops went looking for Shannan Gilbert and found 10 additional bodies, this is 11 too many

"When Amanda answered the phone, you know, she was so excited," Barthelemy said. "'Oh my God, Melissa's finally calling me.' And then, there's a guy on the other end."

"And this voice is saying, 'Oh, this isn't Melissa,'" Cohen explained.

"...he was soft-spoken and had -- a very controlled and comfortable manner of speech, which made his horrific messages all the more devastating ... he began to toy with her ... And for the very first time, she heard the voice of the killer."

Suffolk County police told "48 Hours" that they believe the caller was, in fact, Melissa's killer.

"I was just hysterical, totally hysterical," said Barthelemy.

The calls didn't stop coming. There were eight in total, including one in which the likely killer spoke to Lynn. He claimed he was with the NYPD and wanted to know if she had filed a missing persons report. But mainly he focused on Melissa's little sister and called to terrify her.

"And the killer said some pretty horrible things to Amanda," Cohen told Moriarty. "Sexually explicit things as to what he had done to Melissa, sexually explicit things as to what he was going to do to Amanda."

After the third call, police asked Verizon to tap Amanda's phone.

Authorities were able to trace some of the calls to a handful of busy locations in midtown Manhattan: near the Port Authority, the Empire State Building and Times Square. The caller always hung up before he could be identified. But the police were learning a lot about him based on his voice.

"I believe that he is between -- his late 20s and his late 30s," Cohen said. "I've been led to believe by Amanda and by the data that I have that he is a white male."

Much has been made about the caller's familiarity with police investigative techniques. He knew what locations would be difficult to trace and how long he could stay on the phone. That sense of confidence may have driven the caller to reach out to Amanda one last time on Aug. 26, 2009, with a chilling message.

"And he said, 'Do you know what I did to your sister?' And she said, 'No.' He said, 'Well, I killed Melissa,'" Cohen said. "And he also left one of the conversations with the threat that he knows where Amanda lives and might come after her."

One of the last things he said to Melissa Barthelemy's sister was, "I'm watching your sister's body rot."

He definitely gives off piece of shit trash vibes.

How do these trash bags become so trashy?

WTF DL? I apologize if this is a double, but that link at r210 was confusing with the post because it made me think it was about Shannon and that he had also been charged with Shannon’s death, but it was my bad.

It is about Shannan because her death led to the discovery of all those victims out there. But Shannan is not one of his victims and her cause of death is undetermined. He did not kill Shannan or call her family.

The face in the OP is not of a scared innocent man in a Kafka-esque situation. Rather, it is the smug visage of a man guilty and convinced he can outwit the authorities yet again.

Yes r214, but I’m saying that the >post< was not about Shannon at all. Why put that post with that link is all? They are each better as individual posts, just my two cents. You will get old and high someday too, kid.

But to you link, that does indeed seem to indicate that there was a second killer!!!! So my next question is, but is it a serial killer? That’s quite a few bodies without charges files. So they either simply don’t have the evidence to bring charges or they actually believe he didn’t do them.

The WF orange bowl story is hilarious. BTK was a complete horse ass too, he loved to be as rude as possible and if you challenge him, whoo-wee!! He used that to crucify you to the end of your days on this earth. So bring just complete dicks is another trait we should add to the DL Serial Killer Template.

He's like a hetero John Wayne Gacy.

Fat pig who allegedly works in the construction arts but lives in a piece-of-shit house.

Clearly there's only one actor for this role, and it isn't VD'O:

[quote]but this one seems to be one of the worse we have seen lately.

Oh, dear!

What did the guy do with his money? It sounds like the house was paid for and he certainly wasn't house proud. He was involved in scams. Who knows how many went undetected. Where'd the cash go?

Then: probably special needs kid.

Now: lawyers.

Here is another angle. He’s in his 50’s now? So these killings started maybe in his late 30’s, correct?

Most serial killers start much much younger than that, isn’t the average age mid-20’s? He’s lived in that house I believe all his life. The police are going to have a hell of a time verifying when his first kill really happened, we may never know. This man was very very cunning. It is possible that in his youth, his hunting ground was Manhattan. Then as he got older, he got slightly lazier and honed his craft, and opted to do it from his home turf. If he was killing sex workers in Manhattan, I seriously doubt that they will ever be able to prove it, UNLESS they reopen old cases and test for DNA. Needle in a haystack.

It seems like he might have been living with the first wife in Jersey for a while?

It obvious he was hired muscle for the mob to get rid of these young pros who had witnessed things they should not have. Simultaneously he was also a psychopath who got off on killing prostitutes. His participation in an underground sex ring which involved the most prominent members of high society including the NYC mayor, was his hunting ground. Meanwhile a prominent doctor used the slaying to cover up the murder of his wife. The wife had started an affair with the chief of police and the chief was framed for her slaying. Simultaneously an anti vaccine group begins protests around the city arguing that vaccines cause autism. And the serial killer’s wife shoots the murderous doctor in open court ending in a cliff hanger that will be resolved on our sister show Law & Order: Organized Crime.

Hopefully he will eventually confess to all his killings.

I recently met a social worker who worked with serial killers in the prison system. She said each one was a pathological narcissist and they get caught because they have grandiose fantasies that they are smarter than everyone else. So they get sloppy and leave evidence because they assume they won’t be captured.

This sick fuck—call the girls’ families from their phones and taunting them. The death penalty is too good for him I hope he’s brutally tortured in prison every day of his miserable life.

R226 It wasn’t Rex who called Shannen’s family. That’s the only victim with known calls to the family but she was killed by someone else or an accident. Her actual cause of death is ruled accidental.

He might horde cash or have a huge bank balance/401k saving.

Like r221 said, now all going to lawyers.

Of course they all think: "I'm always the smartest guy in the room.", R226. Evil and/or crazy people always seem to think stuff like that, don't they? It's never a normal, kind person.

I'm glad they finally caught this p.o.s. I hope he gets Dahmer-ed in jail.

I’ve been watching some video of this on YouTube and that Suffolk DA is really angling to get in the limelight on this. Meanwhile he took office about eight months ago, AFTER they had tentatively identified this fat slob as the killer.

Is it true that local LE refused FBI help? I read that the local LE didn't want the Feds involved.

R231 It is very true which is why I made a thread about it. The former Suffolk County police chief went to prison for corruption and was adamant the FBI not be involved.

I missed that thread. Thanks for linking.

R232, if you have a link I would love to read your thread — I do recall that part of the story too. When that happened, I really did think we had a cop who was the killer. It made my spidey senses go off witnessing what the police did, but corruption is caused by many factors so it’s possible that their corruption had zero to do with why this case stalled, or the stall was a red herring and had no basis in the case itself.

R220, billion dollar question.

I am from a family of addicts, both sides and the not having any money thing is a red flag. Addicts don't have money because everything goes into their addiction of choice.

R226 The killer called Melissa Barthelemy's teenage sister multiple times.

LE on LI could be protecting mafia assuming it is a multipurpose purpose dumping ground for dead bodies.

YES Elderlez, I think you’re onto something with that theory, it just rings true. That area seems like prime mob dumping grounds, like The Pines.

I mean come on! ELEVEN bodies and dude is charged with "only" four murders!

Mobsters usually kill other mob guys, not females

They should let the families of the victims decide his fate. Hove them weapons and leave them in a room with him.

There’s a dead guy amongst the 11.

R240- I'm not buying it or the that two SK's picked the same dump site , and until I read the cause / manner of death for Shannon I am not believing she wasn't murdered by him either. I have no idea wth is going on , but this is actually insulting, imo. They could have at the very least come up with a credible lie.

R244, I honestly don’t know enough to have an informed opinion, but I will say this — the police have not stated that they don’t believe he committed ALL of the killings. We have assume that they don’t yet have enough evidence to win those other cases in a prosecution. That also don’t need mean that there won’t be additional charges coming. For all we know, he could even make a full confession a la BTK style in open court. Time will tell, it’s always best in these types of cases to reserve judgment until more information is made public.

Curious to know if this spot is still used as a dumping ground. Have more victims been discovered by cops after this investigation began?

"I mean come on! ELEVEN bodies and dude is charged with 'only' four murders!"

They needed to get this guy in custody as soon as possible to prevent him from killing again. What don't you get about that?

R245- Thank you for the clarification and my apologies for not understanding what was being said. I thought the police were claiming two different SK used the same dump site. But if iirc, there were rumors of the possibility of two different killers , at least the first 2 or 3 years into the investigation. One suspect was a doctor, I believe. Also there has been quite a lot talk of police officers being involved in as well.

r246 Hurricane Sandy decimated that beach so a lot of stuff was lost and maybe more bodies. I doubt very much that anyone is currently using it as a dumping ground because it is being watched so closely.

The police said they are now looking into whether they can connect this guy to any of the other murders. I think they wanted to get him on the ones they were sure about.

I would be surprised if there wasn't more victims. He has been killing for many years.

My goodness r248, you are so welcome! I remember that rumor too. I’m not sure what to think about one versus two killers because I still can’t understand what happened to poor Shannon. If the cops knew her John was not him, then what are the odds that he heard her racket that night and took her out? Does anyone here know how close Shannon was to this demon’s house that night?

Also, I love Elderlez. She’s a smart cookie, do not fuck with her or I will cut you.

No. You are wrong again. He is charged with the four murders because cops know he communicated with these 4 victims right up to their disappearance. With a burner phone. He found his victims on Craigslist Adult services. And he disposed of his victims in a similar fashion. Three victims had his wife's DNA on or around their remains. He did not kill Shannan Gilbert. What do you not understand about this? He is not responsible for all of the rest of these bodies including the Asian male and the toddler.

R252- I have no problem understanding what they are saying, my problem is believing them. What can't you understand about that? They make these claims but will not say why not give any information on why her death wasn't considered a murder. If it was accidental what happened? What kind of accident? She was very close to his home, confused, terrified and her body found at his kill site?

r253 the reason they didn't believe she was murdered was because she kept going from house to house for help and when they would try to help her she would run off and go to the next house. She acted like a looney tune.

I looked up the cause of death for Shannan Gilbert last night on Google and it was declared undetermined.

That girl was higher than a kite. She may have overdosed but the medical examiner does not know what caused her death.

R254- Thank you for being patient with me. When I watched the documentary they played the recordings from her and I have never been able to forget the terror in her voice. It is difficult to believe she wasn't a victim that night because of it but stranger things have happened.

R255- Yes, you are right. OD, accident, exposure, it could have been anything, sadly.

Hold the phone. Wasn’t Shannon’s body found with her pants down??? I remember that quite clearly. Yes, Shannon had a complete break with reality. But that doesn’t explain her pants. It is an incredible coincidence that she ended up in that particular location. Wouldn’t a human have survived the night? Sure, you could get terribly lost in the brambles, but you would also hear the ocean and when the sun rose, she would have been able by sound to gradually find her way to the beach or the road. I believe it was around 2:30am when she called 911, so dawn would have begun in just a few hours from when she got “lost” in the dumping grounds of a serial killer.

Oh! And she also just happened to be a prostitute too. Come on, it’s just soooo many coincidences, though I do understand that they can happen, they just seem to be too big to me.

R255- I am sad she died but glad that she wasn't killed by that grotesque beast.

R255, whether she OD’ed or was drugged, wouldn’t the autopsy require a toxicology report? I do think it’s possible she was drugged (and mentally ill) at the same time. How does a prostitute end up in a killing field with other dead prostitutes, but it just coincidence? I just can’t buy that.

Undetermined does not eliminate murder. It only means they just don’t know, so we cannot rule out her murder, sorry kids. Doesn’t matter what the coppers say, “undetermined” means exactly that. We just do not know. I want to know if they did a toxicology screening on her.

@r172 as baffling as it is, it’s hard to tie RH to Shannan Gilbert. He would’ve had to have been at the party or around, it seems he worked alone. So strange that she died 6 miles away from where another SK was killing SWs.

R261- She was 6 miles from his home? Is that where she was found, 6 miles away and at the dump site?

We need a map with RH’s house along with the John and then her body.

Every time I see "Shannan," I think of the Chris Watts case. His wife's name was "Shanann" - pronounced like "Shazam!"

The medical examiner doesn't know what the cause of death was.

The four women he is charged with murdering were in direct contact with this guy.

Shannan had no contact with him. She was on a date with someone else that was canceled because she was behaving erratically.

I thought Shannon was on the date for several hours?

This guy dismembered his victim's body and wrapped the remains in burlap. Shannan and the others were not found in this condition.

When I listened to the 911 calls I got the impression Shannan had holed up in a bathroom to get high, the John got spooked by her erratic behavior and cancelled the date.

"How does a prostitute end up in a killing field with other dead prostitutes, but it just coincidence? I just can’t buy that."

But you CAN buy that Rex Heuermann lurked in a marsh for hours or days at a time, just hoping that a prostitute would wander into it?

anyway, went off on a tangent. Who is responsible for the other murders? This is too nuts.

Point taken r269, I guess I hadn’t considered that perspective. But no, I never imagined RH was hanging out in beach brambles. I guess what I envisioned is that she was captured and killed, THEN disposed of in those brambles after her death. Also the fact that Shannon kept using the word “they” made me wonder if there was more than one John. Could RH have known this John/doctor or whoever he was? Idk. Everything in me believes she was murdered, but I also own that I may be completely wrong lol.

Shannan used the word they but when a neighbor opened up his door to her and advised her to sit put until the cops showed up, she jumped up and ran out into the street again!

Is Rex Heuermann posting in this thread?

If "they" are after you, why run out in the street after being offered a place to sit down until the cops show up? that girl was so high she did not know where she was or who she was with.

Because you’re a) hysterical b) high c) crazy and d) you fear and distrust men. Some women, particularly sex workers, are so incredibly damaged by men that they fear all of them and trust none of them. Trauma will do that.

They may never find the person who killed the other people. What’s up with Long Island that ten people were buried on one beach? Gross

Lawn Guyland - come for the beaches, stay for the dead bodies

How long after the party was Shannon's body discovered? I'm confused why the coroner couldn't find a COD. The police were called immediately during her freak out, so it had to have been rather quickly, right? Or did it take a while and she was in such a state of decomposition that a COD couldn't be determined.

She was removed from the party by her driver. Did she break free from him and he lost her? Was he an the party guests questioned? And who were the guests, VIPs?

"Or did it take a while and she was in such a state of decomposition that a COD couldn't be determined."

This

Thanks, r279. It sounds like the police didn't make much of an effort to find her. Not surprising.

11 bodies

Jones Beach Island is 17 miles long.

RH lived across the bay from Jones Beach Island on “mainland” Long Island In Massapequa Park. You have to take a boat or drive over. He could not have walked. I assume he took the Wantaugh Parkway although my wife assumes the Robert Moses. (There’s only four bridges to the island, the other two are the Loop and Meadowbrook Parkways)

Between this guy and Alec Baldwin, Massapequa has proven to be a breeding ground for fucking psychos!

In the least shocking news ever, Rex is revealed to be a registered Republican. He also did some work for the Trump Organization.

I find it strange that Rex Heuermann lived in Massapequa Park and had no residence on Oak beach but yet evidently chose that as his dumping ground. Remains of 3 girls he's linked to (I'm assuming they will find all 4 are linked to him) all craigs list sex workers with 4 more remains only a few miles apart. One, an Asian male is also thought to be connected to the sex trade, the other remains belong to a toddler. This beach though not far from Heuermann's house in Massapequa Park is a big coincidence the remains all there in this more or less desolate strip of land and all have connections to the sex trade. Was it a ring? Same guy? They think Shannon Gilbert is not connected but she also has a lot of similarities to the others. Craig's list prostitute, tiny female, found on same island not far away.

I wonder how they link him to the burner phone calls when he threw away those phones so long ago? The phone company that owned the phone keeps a record? I don't get that part.

I think he's tremendous!

It wouldn't surprise me if there's a dead sex worker in Trump's closet.

I would love to see Shelbey Thornburgh's killer caught too. She was another escort killed by a sick John who used a burner phone. There's surveillance video of him leaving her building but he's never been identified. Her throat was slit during sex and the suspect was in and out in about 23 minutes. Police think he's killed before.

[quote] Prior to the bombshell arrest on Thursday of Rex Heuermann over several of the Gilgo Beach murders, the case had been hampered by a series of scandals inside the police department leading the investigation. The disgraced former chief of Suffolk County Police Department, James Burke, was at the center of the storm, which culminated in his imprisonment in 2016 for 46 months for battering a thief who stole a bag from his police car which contained porn and sex toys. Shocking details emerged about Burke's alleged fondness for drugs and prostitutes. Burke is also accused of stymying the Gilgo Beach case in its early stages by blocking the FBI's role in the investigation.

During his tenure as the highest-ranking uniformed officer in the Suffolk County Police Department, James Burke considered himself untouchable,” United States Attorney Robert Capers said in a statement. “He abused his authority by brazenly assaulting a handcuffed prisoner, he pressured subordinates to lie to cover up his criminal acts, and he attempted to thwart the civil rights investigation into his conduct.

“With today’s sentence, Burke learned that no one is above the law and that the consequences for such egregious behavior are severe.”

What are the odds Burke is a registered Republican and Trump supporter?

I was wondering where Burke was on J6

[quote] As a teen, Burke was involved in the murder of a 14 year old boy. He was granted immunity, for testifying against his friends, who stuffed rocks down the throat of their victim and killed him.

These sick fuckers need their kidneys taken during vivisection!

[quote] I wonder how they link him to the burner phone calls when he threw away those phones so long ago? The phone company that owned the phone keeps a record? I don't get that part.

Perhaps like this. Every American phone call is intercepted. Until 60 Minutes confirmed it people who complained of this were called conspiracy nuts.

[quote] Every American phone call is intercepted. This is bullshit.

If 60 minutes reported it, then please produce a 60 Minutes link.

You twits are never satisfied. You could read the transcript faster than watching the video.

FBI searches SC property owned by Gilgo Beach serial killer's relative

[Quote]More clicks for Murdoch. Great.

The hall monitor who interjects Murdoch's name into every thread strikes again him.

A 2022 video of the suspect has emerged..

The question on everyone's mind

[QUOTE]The question on everyone's mind

that emerged *immediately* was Tucker Carlson's noticeable differences with a wishful "youthful" hairstyle and his immediate corpusulence featuring a stomach protrudence below his belt and the unmistakable face of alcoholic puffiness that resembles accused serial killer Rex Huermann

[quote]How do these trash bags become so trashy?

Maybe they are born that way, maybe it's Maybelline!

R285, r295, It's all in the fine print. You can easily enlarge the font size.

[quote]What kind of sick fuck kills a toddler

Judge not, lest ye be judged.

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He is 6'6" "According to authorities, the trail led to Heuermann and his green Chevrolet Avalanche, which was recognized by one of the victims' pimp, who allegedly described the killer as a giant "ogre.""

Imagine the shadow this guy cast while he was doing his dirty deeds. The stuff of nightmares.

The New York Times reports that the killer's family frequently used food stamps. That's very strange, if this POS was the prosperous architect he's portrayed as in some stories. But it checks with the rundown condition of his home.

He looks like Tucker Carlson.

He hasn’t officially been linked to the other bodies, but knowing he searched for “Asian twink” porn makes me wonder about the Asian male who was found, who law enforcement thought may have been transgender. Perhaps he wasn’t…?

Sorry, I posted the wrong link. This is the right one--the one that says the killer's family used food stamps.

Please, don't cast Charlize Theron in the role!

If his son is special needs/disabled, he's probably on SSI and Medicare. In California, recipients get about $100 monthly in food stamps. Maybe it's the same in NY.

I asked upthread what he spent his undoubtedly good salary and the proceeds from scams he's pulled. Not the house. Someone suggested the money went towards the disabled kid, but the government takes care of him. We're the sex workers he patronized but didn't kill that expensive?

Did he have a boat?

R313 authorities found something like 300 guns in his home. I imagine they didn't come cheap.

Wow, he really embraced that scumbag lifestyle.

And a serial killer to boot.

[Quote] The question on everyone's mind

[Quote] that emerged *immediately* was Tucker Carlson's noticeable differences with a wishful "youthful" hairstyle and his immediate corpusulence featuring a stomach protrudence below his belt and the unmistakable face of alcoholic puffiness that resembles accused serial killer Rex Huermann

What question does your post answer?

I wonder if he was actually working as an architect, or merely an architect "consultant." He clearly did not care much about architecture since his house was a dump compared to other houses in the neighborhood. I have so many questions, including what his marriage was like and how his daughter viewed him as a father. They say that psychopaths are incapable of close relationships.

When they describe what he did, it sounds more like an expeditor job than architect.

His brother, Craig, is a nut too.

Craig hit his neighbor in the head with a pipe, for mowing his lawn on Sunday. He left business cards in neighbors mailboxes with “I’m an Asshole” written on it.

Did their mother chew on lead paint chips while pregnant?

Of course, the DM has the first sighting of the criminal ex-police police chief since the arrest. Link in next p9st.

Of course, the DM has the first sighting of the criminal ex-police police chief since the arrest. Link in next p9st.

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Typical grifting magat scum. With a higher body count

The Crown Royal tote bag cracks me up. I imagine that's what he does with his days now that he's retired and collecting a full pension (per the DM) -- sitting around sipping liquor high school students think is cool.

The brother Craig ran over and killed a cop while under the influence of a controlled substance

That fucking cops antics delayed the investigation of these murders. As the cliché goes: "justice delayed is justice denied". Perhaps the family of these murdered women can sue that cop for his seven figure pension.

They closed his business where his daughter worked with him so she's out of work. His wife had no idea of all this and is horrified, humiliated and being the house is now being investigated I take it she cannot live there, at least right now, so she is out of a home presently. They have a special needs kid so the money is not forthcoming from anyone, what happens there? I'm sure that kid costs some money for care. The bills will continue to come in and old serial killer boy has a lawyer on his tab now.

New victims. These guys wreck everybody's lives and he has the nerve to ask 'is it in the news' as if what, 'oh boy, I'm famous?'

[quote]knowing he searched for “Asian twink” porn makes me wonder about the Asian male who was found, who law enforcement thought may have been transgender. Perhaps he wasn’t…?

The fact that he only searched for gay porn once out of the many searches makes me wonder whether he misunderstood what a "twink" was?

Wouldn't surprise me, R329. Straight men think EVERYTHING must be about them.

I think he knew what a twink was. His "tastes" were varied. Different ages of people, etc. He wasn't like Bryan Singer who had a specific sex and age group (allegedly).

The perp looks like his police sketch in the photos he put up on Tinder, a complete fucking creep. Sinister hooded eyes

But he looks normal in the mugshot, so strange. Everything about this terrible crime is strange.

And that cop who was a juvenile delinquent in his youth beat up a suspect who stole a handbag belonging to him that contained sex toys and pornographic materials.

Why is a cop rolling around in a police cruiser with a bag filled with sex toys and porn?

Decent, or even relatively normal neighbors, can't be overvalued.

A lif-sized doll in a glass case and a portrait of a woman with a battered face. Yikes.

Absolutely chilling at R320. Imagine (or maybe it's best not to) what he'd get up to on a 'secluded South Carolina property'.

He looks exactly like a serial killer. Seriously, what took them so long? Plus "liked to stay to himself"?

[quote] a portrait of a woman with a battered face

A Norman Rockwell ?

R338 From the article (yes, I know it's the NYP!): "The disturbing artwork taken by police features a blond woman’s face with dark pupils and bruising below the eyes."

Hearing that Heuermann's family was using food stamps brings Joshua Powell to mind. Powell would give his wife Susan only $10 a week to feed their sons and herself; meanwhile he would get himself pizza (if I remember correctly) and spend thousands on computer equipment. I wonder if Heuermann let his family live in a near-impoverished state while he indulged in his vices.

...but look at that car!

"(yes, I know it's the NYP!)"

You can never be shamed enough, R339!!! (Just kidding; I hate the hypocritical schoolmarms who come to a gossip site and then are shocked-- SHOCKED!-- to see gossip there.)

Yes, R342, for all the bitching about the NYP and the DM, those sites often break stories and have the most pics.

Amber Costello met with him and ran a scam on him, having an appointment for sex interrupted and she kept the money. Since he got no sex and asked for credit, met with her the next day. The day she disappeared. Since she scammed him I'm thinking it angered him and he probably tortured her before killing.

"Amber Lynn Costello, who was the last of the four Gilgo Beach victims to be killed, invited him into her West Babylon home — and scared him off with a ruse in which her friend pretended to be her irate boyfriend. She then pocketed the money Heuermann left behind before she ever had a chance to perform any sex acts on him. The witnesses with her described him as a large ogre-esque man and identified his first-generation Chevrolet Avalanche to police.

“That was not nice so do i [sic] credit for next time,” Heuermann later texted Costello from Massapequa Park, according to court documents. The records show the witness told investigators, “Amber told us that he wanted to see her again, but he didn’t want to come back to the house because of her boyfriend.”

She was last seen alive the following day after leaving in a vehicle matching the description of Heuermann’s pickup".

Definitely not a FMD

R333 Lunch hour?

Amber ran out of good fortune. Her last trick is an even bigger grifter than she could have ever been.

A "successful architect" who is on welfare, steals produce from Whole Foods, doesn't pay his taxes and falls in front of cars for settlement money.

Detectives delving into Rex Heuermann's past

Former escort recounts date with suspect Rex Heuermann

Shannan Gilbert's Mother Murdered in 2016 by daughter Sarra

Wife of Gilgo Beach murders suspect Rex Heuermann files for divorce

I’m shocked that she’s not standing by her man.

He obviously killed more than these four prostitutes. I mean, come on. He strangled them so must have received at least some injuries while doing so. She never noticed any of it?

Ultimately it probably will be established the wife was the serial killer, and the man was just tidying up behind her.

r349, "Hello, 15 minutes, It's me calling"

r287, Her name was "Maria" she was another teenager, like "Katie Johsnon" raped by Epstein and Trump. Maria "disappeared" and the rapists used her to threaten Katie Kennedy and others. Keep your mouth shut or you'll end up like Maria.

I had a feeling from the beginning of all this that the wife was trapped there with no way to get out. This was her get Out Of Jail card. He is such an awful human being that I can't imagine how he treated her. She is from Iceland.

Whenever I read Gilbo Beach, I think of Bilbo Baggins.

R352 Oh good, it's time to start figuring out how the wife is culpable in her husband's crimes. Start the blaming and shaming.

As far as injuries he must have sustained while murdering these women, remember that he is about a foot and a half taller and probably 200 pounds heavier than the victims. What chance did they have to hurt him?

^ Agree. At least a couple of the victims were under 5 feet tall. They were no match for this guy

It’s Gilgo. Not Gilbo.

Lord, give me strength

Oh good, websleuths fraus have entered the chat at r358 and r359.

You didn’t like the fact that I pointed out that the wife may have known and done nothing about it, but you couldn’t really argue with that point, so instead you chose to pretend that I said something else. That I was claiming she’s the real killer. That’s sad because it’s so foolish. Try harder.

If you think someone who’s only five feet tall can’t scratch of punch while the life is being strangled out of them, I’ve got a bridge in Brooklyn that’s a steal. I don’t care if he’s 100 feet tall. A person being murdered by strangulation struggles — HARD — as long as they’re not tied up.

Whether she was away when he committed the crimes or not, there’s no way he killed all these women by strangulation and got away bruise and cut free every single time, and as I mentioned it’s almost guaranteed he murdered more of the Gilgo Beach dead than the ones he’s being charged with.

If she knew he was hurting people while she was away and did nothing, she contributed to the deaths that followed. It’s as plain as the mooncup in front of you.

There's no evidence that she knew, you just want to blame women.

Thanks for showing your protectionism of women no matter what the circumstances, even if her inaction contributed to the death of multiple women, deranged lesbian at r362

As a petite gal I’d like to think I’d least be able to gouge out a lot of flesh with my nails prior to expiring, but I don’t think we know if he drugged the victims.

We also don’t know if he and the wife shared a bedroom. If they didn’t and he generally wore long pants and sleeves she might not have seen the bruises. Or he could have explained them away based upon carpentry work injuries.

There’s just a lot we don’t know.

R363, thanks for showing that you're a right-wing MRA incel

ElderLez, ever the voice of reason.

I don't think Amber was scamming him since she actually showed up to fulfill his "credit." Poor thing.

He also had guns. Lots of guns. The victims may have never had the opportunity to fight back before he put them in restraints.

^ correct r368. We know so much less than the little tiny pile of answers we have at this moment.

More will come out, you can bank on it. I would bet the wife doesn’t know NOT because women are incapable of participating in crime or choose to look the other way, but much more so because usually offenders who fit this profile keep it all to themselves. That’s part of their fantasy world, and they most certainly don’t want to risk the wife interfering with their fantasies. It is possible that she knew, but I would say not only unlikely, maybe even improbable, based upon all other known American serial killers married to women.

^ Agree. Most wives don't even know their husbands are watching tons of porn or spending money on escorts in the first place, let alone murdering them.

Sources: Rex Heuermann may have killed at least 1 victim at LI home

R332

Is it possible you could put up the his police sketch in the photos he put up on Tinder. I've never seen it.

17 victims?

This dude has stolen Brian Kohlberger's thunder. lmao

Megan McCain lookalike dated him.

The woman at r375 is some attention seeking whore.

She's an escort, right?

She’s a whore, darlin

Well the "whores" in the area would have some insight into this guy so I'm interested in what they have to say.

You know, years ago, former teem whore/failed murderess/pumped-up-tittie-stripper Amy Fisher became an advice columnist. Usually about sex. Maybe Nikki Brass could do the same thing...

I know this isn't the main story here but who needs 200 fucking guns? You can only shoot one at a time.

No one, R381, but that's our sick, gun-worshiping American society.

R379 I heard a local whore interview on TV news, not sure what channel, and she said she got an immediate sinister vibe and stayed far away from this man.

Or she could be your editor, r380.

[quote] who needs 200 fucking guns?

Who needs 200 Pokémon cards or 200 Picassos or 200 Lincoln Pennies

An empty space is abhorrent to the eye

I'm sorry. I couldn't be murdered by such an unattractive slob. I'd refuse.

Jokes aside, I know nothing of this case, but I hope justice is served.

R363, While you might be perceptive regarding the wife's level of knowledge---which, if you care to be honest, would at most probably amount only to suspicion, because: scratches can be "explained"; the bodies weren't immediately discovered so as to be connected to his absences; most people psychologically resist such thoughts; and not even the police actively looked for his vehicle---your umbrage ought better to be directed to, you know, THE ACTUAL SUSPECT.

But you go on pretending that you're not being misogynistic about the wife and (your assumptions about) other posters.

In terms of any level of legal culpability even in the remote chance the wife knew everything---which, come on, like he told her?---there is this:

Or, R384, I could patiently proof what I type before hitting "Post.". A deserved mea culpa from me to you.

You know, years ago, former teen whore/failed murderess/pumped-up-tittie-stripper Amy Fisher became an advice columnist. Usually about sex. Maybe Nikki Brass could do the same thing...

His neighbors flipped out to see the arsenal of weapons removed from the home by investigators, including a grenade!

[post redacted because independent.co.uk thinks that links to their ridiculous rag are a bad thing. Somebody might want to tell them how the internet works. Or not. We don't really care. They do suck though. Our advice is that you should not click on the link and whatever you do, don't read their truly terrible articles.]

Rudy also belongs behind bars.no reason for his visit . Nassau County has a new chief of police who prioritized wrapping this investigation up whereas the last guy deliberately undermined the investigation. Nothing to do with Nosferatu.

Unless The Ghoul knows something he’s not telling?

Maybe wanted to see what the cops had found? Or make sure they knew he was watching and to “unfind” something?

The cops theorized he was getting ready to kill again so they had additional pressure to get this guy into custody.

His neighbors are popping up explaining what a creep this guy is who dug in his garden and burned garbage at night.

Considering the report that Rex had once worked for Trump.....

I hear ya, r392.

R393, Wasn't there any neighbor with a broken leg and binoculars?

Is this guy the Manorville butcher? "Rex Heuermann's peculiar connection to 'Manorville Butcher' and victims' scattered body parts".

"Valerie Mack's head, hands and right foot were found on Gilgo Beach in 2011, but her torso was found 11 years earlier in Manorville, New York, which is about 40 miles east of Gilgo Beach".

When architects go off the rails, they really go off the rails.

How about that Florida one that shot up his office?

Leave architects aloooone

[quote] ---your umbrage ought better to be directed to, you know, THE ACTUAL SUSPECT

Typical enraged fat dyke, logic all over the highway when a woman’s angelic, blameless innocence is ever questioned. I never said she was solely or even primarily responsible, and I’ve roundly condemned him in other posts in this thread, but don’t let that get in the way of your meltdown.

He killed up to 17 women while she was away — some or possibly all in his home — and there were never any clues? For fucks sake, maybe challenge your own partisanship just a little bit?

When she was told he was the killer and shown evidence, she said “it is what it is.”

^ I doubt he killed 17 women but don't let the facts get in the way

R399, Oh, you're not a misogynist, no, not at all.

Don't let the law get in YOUR way, Sonny.

And for God's sake, don't let even a single thought creep into your consciousness that this woman might have been abused and defeated both physically and emotionally, maybe even threatened. Not that "It is what it is" is ANY type of clue to her psychological state, nope.

Just like how your enraged language towards a stranger (moi) isn't ANY clue to yours.

investigators are digging up the yard. I am curious to know if cadaver dogs are being used in the home and outdoor space.

Guessing they must have a pretty good reason to be digging in that particular spot in his yard….I think it’s under the deck they removed earlier?

The next door neighbor confirmed seeing that guy digging in the yard late at night

Any bets on the total body count when all is said and done?

I’m guessing 30, wife says 20. Dog says, “what do you think I’m a police dog? I’m a Spaniel. I get by on my looks.”

The daily smell confirmed cadaver dogs are being used to search the home. Investigators are also looking for personal belongings of the victims. Remember, this is the suspect who stole a mobile phone of a victim to call her family.

I’m guessing 27…..he’s been at this for a long time

The Mail says they have discovered a soundproof room off the basement.

Has Mrs. Kravitz commented?

[QUOTE]The Mail says they have discovered a soundproof room off the basement.

Ugh. The guy wasn't a stickler for cleanliness. I'm guessing they're going to find many DNA samples.

These cops are looking for anything that connects the suspect to victims including DNA,body parts and personal belongings.

He is being charged with four murders but dozens of bodies were found out there on that beach. This is truly disturbing.

Oh good god. They've found a soundproof room in his basement.

R413, Jesus Christ. That is horrific

Only good reason for soundproofing is that he intended to bring at least one back to his home. He may have kept them alive for a while.

Or, he didn't want to disturb the neighbors while practicing to be a concert pianist.

My old house had a room like that, it was a bomb shelter. We used it for storage. I wonder if his was also original to the house.

r416 could be as that house looks like it was built in the 50's when shelters were popular.

The remains of his victims were chopped up. I am concluding a soundproof bunker was used to chop up bodies.

Isn’t it possible that it was “all of the above”? A former bomb shelter (though with him being in the construction/renovation industry, he likely has oodles of contractors in his network who could have done the framing/drywall/electrical for him, then he would do the soundproofing himself (and/or had them install that specialized sound reduction drywall too).

He used the space both for sex play/torture, AND as a butchery. Horrific for sure.

Part of me wants to believe he couldn’t come close to Gacy in numbers because of modern surveillance, but the flip side is that he is clearly extremely intelligent (I would say smarter than Gacy actually), combined with his age, location, MO, cunning, and audacity (calling the sister on a victim’s phone more than once) and it sounds like at a minimum we have another Israel Keyes. I will not be shocked if his numbers go into the 20’s, though it’s still ridiculous speculation and way too early to say. I would imagine the cops might have more evidence that’s giving them a better sense of total victims, though who can say how much material they are processing?

It’s all conjecture right now.

R412 He is ghastly murderer. Therefore, there is no need for LYING HYPERBOLE!! Eleven bodies were found on Gildo Beach. Which is not even ONE dozen.

Sound proof room didn't come with the house..."A former coworker told The Post that suspected serial murderer Rex Heuermann, 59, once took time off from his job as a Manhattan architect to install a concrete-lined vault at his family’s Long Island house".

They say the walls are 2 to 3 feet thick. IMHO I can't imagine he went out of his way to build this for just guns or that he only killed 3 girls and I can't see he stopped killing in 2010 when they found them on Gilgo.

why would a bomb shelter need to be soundproof?

So you don't hear the bomb.

and not be aware of what's going on around you! and what sound proofing would block the noise of a bomb?

R422 Because it's not a bomb shelter. A bomb shelter has air, food and water in it. This is more of a vault.

you were there R425?

Anderson covered t his in a special he did Sunday night. I guess they have him doing True Crime docs now. Next week he's going to do...Trump. My, my.

Not guilty until proven innocent!

Heterosexual men hate women.

R426 Says it right in the article but I guess you didn't bother to read it.

The wife might have known or been suspicious, since he took time off work to build a fortified cement vault extension in the basement. He seems like a sloppy guy who would not allow her in that room so what was his excuse? It's a photo lab and I'm developing passport photos? You just know that room was off limits, she had to be suspicious.

I'm sure he used his guns as an excuse for the room so that no one would be able to get a hold of them.

The special needs son still lives at home, right?

yes

Well, then the son is definitely guilty and dad was covering for him!

[quote]I am the person who volunteers in a jail. I work with violent offenders weekly. But the funny thing is, none of them in five years have ever felt evil at all!!!

This seems terribly naive. These people seem like normal people and in almost all cases nobody would have thought it of them. You just don't know them in their other context.

Rex Heuermann "I'm innocent".

I think the Perp is "special needs." He's smart and cunning, but he seems "off" in that interview. There's also a hint of grandiosity in his presentation.

No soundproof room. It's a vault.

The case was closed until the new commissioner took the job. And the lead that helped nab him wasn't followed up for 12 years? Jesus, how could this be?

[QUOTE]The commissioner reopened the case last year, creating the joint Gilgo Beach Task Force, which he said he planned to keep in service and continue the investigation into all of the bodies found along the South Shore.

[QUOTE]Harrison formed the unit after taking office, with the squad identifying Heuermann as a suspect by March 2022 — in part by following up on a 2010 tip from a witness whose dormant lead eventually helped put Heuermann in handcuffs.

Well, I guess we know how he spent his money. 300 guns plus all the licenses, a vault, the SC property, and a Vegas timeshare. Authorities in Vegas are looking into missing persons cases.

What compelled him to own an arsenal? And it's not a mini arsenal. Are he and his brother some kind of nutters waiting for the apocalypse or a race war?

In case a S.W.A.T. surrounded his house?

[quote] Any bets on the total body count when all is said and done?

Guess high. They'll load every unsolved case on him they can.

Can you imagine living near this bs? Cops removing hundreds of weapons, not dozens, hundreds of guns and a grenade from the house. Now cops are using cadaver dogs to look for the remains of victims, a nightmare.

Gilgo Four Victim's Timeline vs. Rex Heuermann's Timeline.

Only John Carroll Lynch can play him in the biopic.

Fun fact; in the 90s, I would routinely run into John Carroll Lynch and Cuba Gooding Jr at my local Blockbuster in Studio City.

I miss the 90s.

John Carroll Lynch would be brilliant and was robbed of an Emmy for his role of Twisty The Clown in "American Horror Story: Freakshow".

The clown story on that AHS season could have been way more creatively done. As I recall he ended up just being retarded or something and not a maniacal killer at all. Some other parts of the season were brilliant. Lobster boy and Lange as the Marlene Dietrich ringleader, for instance. Oh, and the tiny woman who ended up on formaldehyde.

Well, JCL has already played Zodiac so this is working out very well for him.

I'm surprised he's so fat. Rich, well-educated people from NY don't tend to be fat.

Is he really well-educated? His architectural expertise seems to be dealing with zoning issues. Would this require much more beyond cronyism and knowing the ropes well before any college-trained architect spent much time at a new firm.

He is neither rich nor well educated. Does he even have a degree?

Did anyone look up if he is a registered architect? He seems like he did advice and occasional haranguing

I found this interview interesting.

Former escort Nikkie Brass said Heuermann talked about the Gilgo killings during their meeting at a Port Jefferson restaurant in 2015. "It didn't seem like a true crime fan who just knows information they've seen on TV and read it – seemed like somebody who was reliving it," says Brass.

Brass went on to say that Heuerman then talked about how a killer could potentially get rid of the bodies by carrying burlap sacks through the marsh.

[quote] I doubt he killed 17 women but don't let the facts get in the way

Yes, lots more bodies have been found where the LISK dumped victims. or are otherwise associated with the LISK victims, but let’s cut him some slack — at least, if cutting him some slack means you get another opportunity to disagree with someone who suggests his wife may have known what he was doing.

R454 I haven't made up my mind how much of that colorful woman's story is true or fabulist. It's plausible she had a "date" but the rest seems sketchy. Still, I enjoyed her. Also, It's kind pulpy and Anderson really is sinking low.

The BTK's daughter started a group to help people like this family. She said that the killers like to keep everything to themselves to savor it and she said the daughter and wife most likely had no idea any of this had happened. People think there is no way they could have known but she said the killers can be extremely secretive.

That’s probably part of the “thrill” as well, r457.

In my opinion, Nikki Brasse is a lying attention seeker who deserves to be ignored. How on earth does she remember details from a date from 8 years ago. She is lying.

She seems like an Erika Jayne flooze out for attention and a quick buck.

The neighbors are coming right out to say dude is a weirdo and creep who didn't speak to others, burned trash and dug around in his backyard at very odd hours of the night.

Their stories are worth hearing.

This guy used burner phones to contact his victims, this is how he was identified as a suspect.

Can Nikki Brassy Colored Hair prove she went on a date with the guy. Emails? Screenshots? Dms? Texts? If not, shaddap ya hoar.

R461 In actuality you have no way of knowing if she did or did not experience this. Why sound like you do? You don't and you spelled whore wrong just to show how smart you are I guess.

And you don't know either ya freakin hoar.

Wow really r461? Have any other breaking news for us? How did you ever get that scoop that he used burner phones? Do you know someone in law enforcement?

[quote]The neighbors are coming right out to say dude is a weirdo and creep who didn't speak to others, burned trash and dug around in his backyard at very odd hours of the night. Their stories are worth hearing.

And yet nobody mentioned his name before cops followed the evidence.

R455, I don't know whom you are quoting, there being no "r#," but that poster is not I, the one who argued about the wife.

Indeed, far from cutting old Rex any slack, I'm on the side of those who believe he has slain many more than have been discovered.

So as far as YOUR playing detective here in trying to "identify" posters---stop.

[quote]Only good reason for soundproofing is that he intended to bring at least one back to his home.

People DIY soundproof their basements for all kinds of reasons (band rehearsals, podcast recording, home theaters, using the space as a rental unit while occupying the upstairs), but it's highly doubtful that any of those applied here.

Overall, I’m getting a vibe of schlubby loser who killed women to feel important / powerful.

It takes some doing to be born into that environment (easy access to one of the world’s great cities) and still end up an uneducated loser.

Sure, he “had an office in the city,” but he seems to have been an expediter or “building engineer” (read: maintenance guy) with delusions of grandeur.

Anyone who has ever been blindsided by their partner's affair knows how easy it is for people to keep secrets.

Lay off the wife. She may have suspected ... something, but I doubt she thought he was a depraved psychopath.

Who knows what went on in their household? How well do we really know the people around us?

[quote]that poster is not I

Oh, dear. It's 'me', not 'I'.

[quote]How well do we really know the people around us?

Absolutely. I fully believe that she had no clue. It sounds as if he mostly did it when she was away from him. Serial killers are very good at keeping that part separate from their family, friends and colleagues.

R470, Back atcha, DEAR.

"IS" is a verb of BEING, not ACTION. In mathematical terms, A = B, so the pronoun after the verb is in the same form as preceding, aka the Nominative, not the Subjective.

Now it might not SOUND right to the ear, but r466 (DO TRY to use referral numbers, DEAR) is grammatically correct.

P.S. When first quoting in English, use the double form of ".....". A quote within that would then use the '...' notation.

Correction to r472: "Objective" should replace "Subjective."

Not a self-Oh, Dear, but the inability to edit.

R468 Boy, did you zone in.

Neighbors identified him as weird, not as a serial murderer. Even cops had to wait years before an arrest was made until the evidence was available to charge him.

Is the Long Island Serial Killer Suspect Also the Manorville Butcher?

Oh, Nacy is salivating!

[quote]In my opinion, Nikki Brasse is a lying attention seeker who deserves to be ignored. How on earth does she remember details from a date from 8 years ago. She is lying.

Did she run to the police? They wouldn't care what her profession is.so there is no excuse.

The New York Times reports that Heuermann was not popular in high school. Shocking, I know.

Oh, the 'loner' trope again.

It's surprising he was married *twice* given his social awkwardness.

Some women will marry ANYONE just to be married, r481.

R477 She looks a proper nut in that photo. Lol!

Did anyone read the People Magazine cover story?

R477 Nancy looks crazy in that pic. She loves this stuff.

You just know that Timothée Chalamet will play him.

That's the world we're living in.

^ Nah, it will be Tom Cruise in a fat suit, gunning for an Oscar

I don't need a fat suit. Just saying.

R480, Isn't it generally true of serial killers, with only some exceptions?

Ann Rule, true-murder chronicler sans pareil, worked and was friendly with, rode in his VW with, and believed in the innocence of Ted Bundy until the bitter end, notwithstanding her (alleged, with only her word for it) reporting the car to police.

[quote]Some women will marry ANYONE just to be married, R481.

True. That's the only reason I married the incredibly annoying Marty Ingels.

R486, Nope!

Laverne Cox!

If anyone except another serial killer plays Rex Heurmann, it will be a travesty!

Classmate Billy Baldwin could play the role of Rex.

[quote]Isn't it generally true of serial killers, with only some exceptions?

It isn't. At least provide an actual study to back that up with. It's a stereotype that the media propagates.

the daughter is wearing a bulky sweater in this heatwave

R494 cannot distinguish between a question and an assertion. Que lastima.

And meanwhile, do try to learn the DL format of reference, you know, to be both correct and helpful.

Oh, and r494? Where's YOUR study? Moron.

Study THIS.

But perhaps you and I are using the word "loner" in different definitions. Mine is "lone killer," not "misfit without acquaintances."

[quote]But perhaps you and I are using the word "loner" in different definitions. Mine is "lone killer," not "misfit without acquaintances."

Bullshit. You're grabbing at straws trying to save face. But you're wrong then too. That would be a lone killer.

Do you not know the difference between the words loner and lone?

R489 Ann Rule was great. I honestly felt sorry for her, believing so strongly in Bundy and finding out at last how wrong she was. He got to her with his charms. Some say she was in love with him. He must've also liked her promising her (strangely enough) no harm would ever come to her young daughter and it never did.

I haven't been able to find it again but long ago I read during his trial in Florida at which she was present sure of his innocence, he as his own lawyer put up that huge photo of his teeth to prove it and she finally saw through him. She got up and ran down the hall to the bathroom and threw up.

[QUOTE]He must've also liked her promising her (strangely enough) no harm would ever come to her young daughter

I have no idea what this means.

“I had long since managed a degree of detachment when dealing with photographs from homicide cases. They no longer upset me as they once did, although I make it a point not to dwell on them. By the time I stood in Shirley Lewis’s office, I had seen thousands of body pictures. I had seen pictures of Kathy Devine and Brenda Baker in Thurston County, but that was months before it was known there was a “Ted.” Of course, there were no bodies to photograph in the other Washington cases, and I had had no access to Colorado or Utah pictures. Now, I was staring down at huge color photographs of the damage done to girls young enough to be my daughters—at pictures of damage alleged to be the handiwork of a man I thought I knew. That man who only minutes before had smiled the same old grin at me, and shrugged as if to say, “I have no part of this.” It hit me with a terrible sickening wave. I ran to the ladies’ room and threw up.” ― Ann Rule, The Stranger Beside Me: Ted Bundy: The Shocking Inside Story

[Quote] Who knows what went on in their household? How well do we really know the people around us?

If neighbors claim to have been aware of his digging in his backyard late at night did no one in his family observe this? What did they think he was doing? and where was Mrs. Kravitz?

Yeah, Ann Rule must have been in love with Ted Bundy. It's her job to research and write about crime, yet she couldn't believe the mountain of evidence about Bundy?

No, I don't think he was hot. He looked like a slimeball.

R503 It seems that he did most of that stuff when his wife was away. I'd guess the same for the digging. But have they even found anything in his backyard? It sounds like it could be a red herring.

[quote]Yeah, Ann Rule must have been in love with Ted Bundy. It's her job to research and write about crime, yet she couldn't believe the mountain of evidence about Bundy? No, I don't think he was hot. He looked like a slimeball.

I read her book about him and she would send him money and visit him in jail but acknowledged that he could be manipulative that way, asking for things. I could never work out whether she was doing it just to get access for her book or if she was genuinely enamored. Maybe it was a bit of both.

Another fascinating thing about Ann Rule is that apparently she gave some talks about the Green River Killer and Gary Ridgway (the killer) actually attended at least one of them.

I just saw this one. It sounds like a female was somehow involved. His wife?

the victims were murdered when his wife was traveling out of state or overseas, investigators know this from reviewing phone records

He stole my thunder.

R510 Ours, too.

The Murdaugh book is coming out next week! I'm already salivating!

More Murdaugh! More pasty titty pics taken from prison!!! Pics of Buster's pasty titties taken from Hilton Head!!! Murdaugh, Murdaugh, Murdaugh...

Ted Bundy apparently emitted a foul odor and his face became demonic when he switched from his Dr. Jekyll to Mr. Hyde. This has been reported of other serial killers too.

I've heard that the eyes of killers totally change when they latch onto a victim- become cold and scary- but I've never heard the foul odor thing before.

They did say that several places about the odor. Here is an article that had some interesting thoughts on that.

Dead people smell so bad. Shame on them!

R516 That's a terrible article. Do you have any other examples of killers who emit an odor?

R439 it was both, yes?

R519 I didn’t write the post about other serial killer having an odor, I have read before about Bundy’s demeanor and eyes changing to dark, I did read someone say he emitted an odor when he became the darker persona (I believe that was while he was doing some interview in prison, not sure). That is why I put up the article. I thought it gave some reasonable explanations for this and I thought it a well thought out article.I don’t have a clue about anyone else having this phenomenon. No time to search. Maybe you could.

R508, here. What I meant about the wife or another woman being involved was that in the video the lawyer said he received calls from a man with a woman speaking in the background, possibly participating in the calls. The video was about the weird, harassing phonecalls he received, not about the acual murders.

Defense investigator Joe Aloi seemed to have gotten a clear view. While they were talking, he suddenly noticed an odor emanating from Bundy as his face and body contorted. “I felt that negative electricity,” Aloi said, “and along with that came that smell.” Aloi was suddenly terrified that Bundy would kill him.

It's said that everyone has their own personal odor that emits when sexually aroused.

R516 that article was very informative. Thank you.

It could be smell related to adrenaline and sweat when they are talking about their killings amd reliving them.

Doc.

I wish they knew what happened to Shannon Gilbert. I get they don't think that she's related to this guy. I wonder if they are checking just the same but what I read was Gilbert was not found in burlap, was on a different side of the road then the Gilgo 4 but gee a killer can change sides of the road can't he? However, I understand, yes, they probably have information I don't. But Gilbert's last phone call is so poignant. I think of her voice on that call from time to time feel so bad for her and wonder what did happen there. The second autopsy paid by the mother and done by a private investigator said her hyoid bone was broken and that indicates strangulation. Originally they said she ran out into the weeds and died of exposure, then I read the weeds are like 12 foot tall, full of stickers and at that time of the year there is 2 to 3 foot of water out there and that she had no shoes and no pants on. Those were found quite a ways from her on the other side of the weeds. With weeds that high I can't see them floating through. She screams on her 911 phone call after saying they're after me, they're going to kill me. They believed she was on drugs and she ended up dead on that lonely stretch of highway in a line a few miles apart or so of other bodies. What the heck, can there really be several killers out there picking this one spot to dump bodies and they are all unconnected?

Gilbert is believed to have died from exposure or the elements, or possibly an overdose. She was out of her mind on something the night she died.

"But Gilbert's last phone call is so poignant. But Gilbert's last phone call is so poignant. "

It was haunting. It has stayed with me all of these years.

Sunday, August 6---8:00 p.m.

Lifetime Channel: "The Gilgo Beach Killer." No other information.

R504, Yeah, I don't understand all the "handsome" accolades for Bundy. He was creepy!

Her book, "The Stranger Beside Me," was Ann Rule's first and best (I've read most of hers).

The book that Bundy's girlfriend at the time wrote is very good as well. Bundy comes across as emotional and not as smart as people make him out to be. They seemed to have a co-dependent relationship.

Rex goes in for his court hearing tomorrow (Tuesday July 31).

"Shannan Gilbert family lawyer John Ray joins 'Fox & Friends First' to break down the alleged police missteps in the Gilgo Beach murders case".

Thank you, Mr. Ray and go Ray, go!

Bundy's ex-girlfriend comes off as dumb. Netflix had a documentary about Bundy featuring her. She actually did call the police (forgot which department, he was a multi-state killer). So many things went wrong with that case: like him escaping from custody (courthouse, actually) and then moving cross-country to kill some more women.

Tuesday is August 1st.

Yike, yes 8/1 at 8am btw, I don't know how the hell I made THAT mistake.

Wife complained investigators left her home a mess. Her husband is accused of murders and hundreds of guns along with a grenade was removed from the home.

He is frightening. Can you imagine seeing that face as the last thing you see on earth?

R535 Agree that Bundy's ex-girlfriend Liz appeared to be dense. I watched a documentary on Amazon and Liz's daughter Molly had more of a grasp on the Bundy situation than Liz did.

If someone pushed me off of a raft into a river, I would cut that person out of my life.

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R540, yeah, she was so dense. The daughter did seem a lot more with-it than the mom.

I wonder what happened to his bio daughter, the one he fathered while in prison.

Well it’s just a fantasy but I wish when those investigators hunted around in Rex’ house they found a roll of camouflage burlap in one of the closets to really nail him with.

We don't know they haven't, r543. That information wouldn't become available until entered into court evidence.

R506 She mistook his fake charm and shallow interest in her life as a 'special' friendship. She was a tool he used time and time again. As a former cop, her naivety is kind of shocking. But never underestimate what a woman will do for any man she thinks is interested in her sexually or otherwise. (I know it was a platonic r/ship.)

I think she definitely had her book in mind, but her willingness to drop everything at a moments notice to fly out and help this poor, psychopathic sexual sadist sitting alone in his cell struck me as pious and deluded.

[quote] Ted Bundy apparently emitted a foul odor and his face became demonic when he switched from his Dr. Jekyll to Mr. Hyde.

No dear, that’s because Taco Bell did the food service at the prison.

It’s Culver’s that makes him reek.

Wonder what this is about?

Update

How do we know Karen Vergata was killed by LISK?

Another Jane Doe has been identified

Funny. "In 2022, the Suffolk County Police Department in collaboration with the FBI teamed with Othram to determine if advanced DNA testing could help to identify Fire Island Jane Doe. Forensic evidence was sent to Othram’s laboratory in The Woodlands, Texas. Othram scientists developed a suitable DNA extract from the forensic evidence and then used Forensic-Grade Genome Sequencing® to build a comprehensive genealogical profile. After successfully completing the process, the DNA profile was delivered to the FBI's forensic genetic genealogy team and the FBI team performed the necessary work to generate investigative leads".

And yesterday they wanted a DNA swab from Rex Heuermann.

"In April 1996, the legs of an unidentified woman were recovered inside of a black garbage bag at Blue Point Beach in Suffolk County, New York. Later, in April 2011, the woman’s skull was recovered near Ocean Parkway west of Tobay Beach in Nassau County, New York".

Tobay Beach is just down the line moving in a sw direction from Gilgo Beach. Blue Point Beach is actually ON Long Island, on the Great South Shore Bay side, across from Fire Island and about 27 miles up the road from Massapequa Park. Rex Heuermann lived there all his life and so I'm guessing he was there then, he would've been about 32 years old.

I wonder, like everyone else does at this point if

This is so disgusting

Why does r549 image look like a photoshop of a man’s face onto a girl?

[quote] On April 20, 1996, Vergata’s legs and feet were found on the bay side of Fire Island

I’m interested!

Here's Ann Rule at her typewriter.

Frankly, I would have loved to have had her career. Researching and writing about true crime.

Would it be mean to say "No wonder Bundy spared her?"

Too soon, r557!

No. I think that was exactly it. She was like a mom if anything and he had it in for girls with long hair parted in the middle.

The only way to get to Davis Park on Fire Island is by boat.

Sorry, not trying to derail the thread but since Bundy's been mentioned...

The account of the Chi Omega sorority house murders in Ann Rule's book reminded me of what we know of the U. of Idaho killings - probable stalking, frenzied attacks, occupant/s sensing "unreasoning terror" and locking themselves in their room. Maybe Kohberger's a Bundy fan?

The remains may have washed onto the shore from somewhere else. Still if RH had a boat there he could have dumped his victims into the great south bay or left the corpses on the little marsh islands that dot Jones Inlet and Reynolds Channel.

Lifetime has on the gilgo beach killer right now. It’s 8pm here

Jeez, that was Kim Delaney in the Lifetime movie... time is not kind, drinking is not kind and using plastic surgery or Botox to correct other ravages, does not help.

Maybe so, r561, though Bundy's M.O. was to bludgeon.

This might be of interest to some of you. I watched it everyday in real time. Those poor girls were torn to pieces.

Disgraced former Suffolk County police chief James Burke was arrested again Tuesday morning after allegedly soliciting sex and exposing himself at a public park.

Burke is a pig

Disgraced ex-Suffolk County police chief who botched Gilgo Beach case and beat up porn thief accused of soliciting sex — at 10 a.m. Disgraced ex-Suffolk County police chief who botched Gilgo Beach case and beat up porn thief accused of soliciting sex — at 10 a.m.

Wow. "Former state Sen. Phil Boyle has long been critical of Burke’s handling of the Gilgo Beach killings — even going so far as to ask the state to look into the former top cop’s actions.

On Tuesday, Boyle reiterated that he believes Burke hampered efforts to solve the case for years".

Wonder what's up with that.

Again, today! Didn't he get any help while incarcerated? He wants to be caught.

[quote] On Tuesday, Boyle reiterated that he believes Burke hampered efforts to solve the case for years".

Police chief who bungled ( or hampered ) case is gay.

A disgraced former top cop on Long Island was arrested in a prostitution sting after allegedly exposing himself and trying to solicit a sex worker at a park, officials announced.

Former Suffolk Police Chief James Burke was arrested around 10:15 a.m. Tuesday at Suffolk County Vietnam Veterans Memorial Park in Selden, the county executive's office said. A law enforcement source told NBC New York that the county park rangers set up a sting operation at the spot in the middle of County Road 83.

Burke, 58, was accused of soliciting a male prostitute and exposing himself. He was charged with public lewdness, indecent exposure, criminal solicitation and offering a sex act, according to the county executive's office.

An attorney for Burke could not be reached. The Suffolk County District Attorney did not respond to a request for comment.

Suffolk County Police Commissioner Rodney Harrison said county park rangers made the arrest at the start of an undercover operation, responding to complaints about sexual solicitation at the park. The rangers apparently had not realized, at first, they had arrested the disgraced former chief of the department.

At the time of his arrest, the commissioner said Burke tried to use his name to avoid arrest.

"He was expressing to us how this would be a public humiliation for him," Sgt. Brian Quattrini, with the park rangers, said.

"According to court documents, Burke beat up Loeb in 2012 after Loeb stole a bag full of sex toys and a porn DVD showing women being tortured from Burke's patrol car".

Can't help but wonder if he stopped investigation into Shannan Gilbert's case for reason of culpability.

I wonder what was in the bag full o' sex toys. Dildos?

"🥒 Park", 😂

48 hours tonight is Heuremann and I think after his segment is Kohberger.

Charged with killing another woman

Guy was suck as fuck.

Somebody I used to work with lives on the same street.

"suck as fuck"? Was that Heurmann's sex game of choice or did you leave a typo R578?

R573, yes, he impeded the investigation. Endangered the community and delayed justice for the victims.

Some strange story too with his hiring and promotion. Was mentored and groomed for the role after he came into contact with law enforcement as a teen involved in the murder of another teen.

It will always be the dildo beach murders to me.

Dildo Beach murders only happen out at Fire Island!

Don't forget, the former District Attorney is in jail. For being involved in the Burke drama.

I'm not defending any murderers, but my boss was murdered in that county and they (the police & D.A) did a LOT of fucked up things to the people related to and friends with the person/people they thought commited the murder. It was my boss's wife that murdered him. I'm pretty sure her boyfriend helped, maybe not the murder but at least with the clean up. They wanted to arrest him, but they didn't have any evidence, so the D.A (tommy spota) had the police pickup 4 of the boyfriend's friends and family members as they were driving to work and brought each of them to different police stations all around Suffolk County. Nobody knew where they were and the police wouldn't release them , wouldn't let them call anyone and were questioning them, even though they all asked for attorneys. And they threatened them with all kinds of things they could arrest them for (which was all bullshit) and that they would take their kids away and put them in foster care. They even hit them. They hit the wife in the head. They eventually released them, and the people sued the county and it was eventually settled out of court many years later. But they picked up the guy's wife (who he was getting a divorce from because he was cheating with my boss's wife). She didn't know anything. She was being cheated on. She was a social worker and they scared her so much about taking her kids away she peed her pants and had a nervous breakdown and had to go to a mental hospital to recuperate. And has PTSD from that experience. That's the kind of shit this county pulled on people when Spota and Burke were in charge. They basically kidnapped people and threatened them. That's standard operating procedure in Suffolk County, NY. That's why the guy with the bag of videos and sex toys was terrified. They did the same thing to him as did with the family of the guy who was involved in my boss's death. The police kidnap people, threaten them, assault them.

My boss's murder trial was really fucked up too. The assistant district attorney who prosecuting the case (and eventually became D.A) sent in an informant to suggest beating her and children up. The boyfriend didn't come up with this. It was the informant. And the boyfriend said something like, "how funny would that be if she and her kids disappeared before trial"?. And the assistant district attorney didn't say anything for a long time. She waited until the opening of the murder trial and said, "the defendant wants to kill me & kidnap my children. She didn't have a case. She didn't have DNA. She didn't have video. She didn't have anything. This is the kind of shit that she had to pull to win the case. Of course she wasn't allowed to use at trial, because it was pure entrapment, but the jury was there and heard say all of that. And when the jurors were questioned after the trial, they mentioned it. Despite the judge saying to ignore it, that actually factored into the boyfriend being found guilty. An one of the jurors even said something, "the boyfriend wasn't there (when the murder occurred), but he's still a bad and deserved to go to jail so I voted to convict him of this murder".

That wasn't the jury instructions. They were only supposed to find him guilty if they thought he did it. If they thought he was there and committed the murder with his own hands. And the jurors said, "he wasn't there, but he was probably involved".

That's not right. You're not supposed to convict someone because you think they might have been involved, even though they weren't there. There's supposed to be evidence.

And the female ADA took over for Spota & knew all about the police kidnapping those 4 people and holding them hostage in police station for almost a day. She was just as bad as Spota was. This is a really, really corrupt county. I would not be surprised if the police and/or the former D.A spota knew about these women's murders, or might have even been involved in this or at least suspected Heurrman did this and just looked the other way. Half or more of the police department are crooked as can be. I wouldn't doubt it if evidence "accidentally gets contaminated" or lost. Or only half of it was collected. They're a very crooked county. And a lot of police and prosecutors have a lot to hide. Thank goodness that female district attorney (janet albertson) has since retired, but that bitch knows everything that went on in that county for the past 30 years. She literally and figuratively knows where all the bodies are buried

R582 “Murder my vagina, DADDY!!!!!!”

"you mean mangina, you little bitch, R585! Ain't no vagina's here, now bend over. Daddy's got something special for you."

The media is planning to pay the wife for her story. I am not interested. The police chief requires investigation and I am interested in following up with this huge security breech.

Shannon Gilbert? Who is not a victim of this guy? I am interested in her story. Its too crazy that girl banged on peoples doors who opened the door for her but she ran off and died out in the marsh!

Dude had a cheat sheet for this, filled with misspelled words. Two additional victims are identified as having been killed by him.

R588, I couldn’t believe his spelling. It is clear that he is a highly organized killer, but intelligence does not equal a spelling bee.