Leslie Van Houten is going home !

Whoa, I didn't see that one coming.

Set her free.

People have committed way worse crimes and haven’t been punished as severely as she has. She was punished because the story was so famous, not because of what she did.

Where, exactly, is home after all this time?

I certainly hope she's not thinking of coming here.

Get ass cancer, Manson bitch!

Leslie has a big support system outside . I believe she will be comfortable and plans to live by beach

R3, she's going to live in a tiny home on Spahn Ranch!

"Just stay away from Squeaky!"

And Van Houten actually didn’t kill anyone and I believe evidence showed that the stabs she inflicted upon Rosemary were after she was dead. She was told to do it.

I’m sorry, but if you were sentenced to death, and then that was overturned by the supreme court, and your sentence was converted to life in prison, you should die in prison.

'Ol Leslie always had a fondness for rosemary-flavored chicken.

[quote] And Van Houten actually didn’t kill anyone

Even IF true, co-conspirator and accomplice before and after the fact to multiple murders and a long list of other major crimes.. Should have gone to the gas chamber two generations ago

She had moments where she could look somewhat stylish.

Maybe she can stay with Kirk and Luann until she gets back on her feet.

Since they're both free now, maybe Leslie & Squeaky can do a Netflix spin-off of Grace & Frankie?

John Waters is happy

This is my second homecoming, bitches!

She was very good looking

I think Susan Atkins the only truly evil Manson girl

R17, interestingly, Leslie was voted Most Likely to Stab a Woman in the Buttocks.

45 years ago, leaving court after sentencing at her third trial.

[quote]People have committed way worse crimes and haven’t been punished as severely as she has.

Multiple wrongs don't make a right. Everyone who has committed as unconscionable a crime as hers or worse should be in prison until death.

R22 But the idea that it’s wrong is subjective.

The fact that the Manson women have broken records of spending the longest time in California prisons just proves my point. I think they’ve even broken records for being denied parole.

R16 That’s true. Water’s’ involvement with this story felt like a weird fascination with tabloid violence at the onset, but I think his compassion is real.

She was always the prettiest! She resembled every girl my eldest sister went to high school with (Class of 1969).

She's done a lot of good work in prison. She's tried to make amends. She was very young when she committed her crime and no doubt under duress. If this hadn't been such a sensational case, I believe she would have been paroled years ago. Our criminal justice system is completely wrong. There is no rehabilitation in our system; it is just retribution. In Europe, she would have been released after 30 years and allowed to try and re-enter society. The chances of reoffending are almost zero.

That will never appease the people who still call for an eye for an eye. I don't believe that this reductive way to approach criminal behavior works any more than being overly lenient.

This is just more proof that liberals coddle and care more for criminals than the average, law-abiding citizen.

The Democrats are quickly becoming the party of lawlessness and debauchery and perversion and heathens.

It will backfire.

Women will always, ALWAYS get a pass and be “forgiven” in the end. Men? Not so much. But she’s a “frail old lady. Let’s just forget about all that mass murdering, cutting babies out of pregnant women and finger-painting the walls with their blood thing, shall we?”

The aunt in Milhouse's family that no one dares mention.

[quote]The fact that the Manson women have broken records of spending the longest time in California prisons just proves my point. I think they’ve even broken records for being denied parole.

Well, if the Supreme Court hadn’t overturned the death penalty before it was reinstated, they wouldn’t have had the opportunities for multiple record-breaking, parole denials. They would have been locked up until they were executed.

I’m extremely anti-death penalty, but, I don’t think prison is just about rehabilitation. It costs more to house, and go through appeals for death penalty cases than people who are sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole. If she was sentenced to death, I feel strongly that parole should’ve never been on the table for her. Prison isn’t just rehabilitation. It is a punishment. And some people like her do deserve to spend the rest of their lives in jail. I think the US criminal justice system is deplorable and racist, and we’ve executed way too many people that were later proven to be innocent. But I do not oppose life sentences without parole once someone has a once someone has exhausted their appeals. The fact that she was even allowed parole hearings after being sentenced to death is the appalling thing.

That is a good one, R29!

I wonder which deranged homicidal maniac she is going to pathologically worship after Manson's death... Of course, she won't be able to kill anyone this time, lest her dentures pop out and her adult diaper fill too much due to the effort.

[quote] I believe evidence showed that the stabs she inflicted upon Rosemary were after she was dead. She was told to do it.

Oh, well, then, R9--if someone told her to do it.

[quote] The Democrats are quickly becoming the party of lawlessness and debauchery and perversion and heathens.

Mary r27, what are you even doing on DL? Debauchery? Heathens? Perversion? Isn't there an evalengelical tent you should be under while waiting for the rapture?

Fuck outta here, cunty.

Somehow this is all the Democrats' fault, says R27.

What a fucking moron.

It was crazytime back then. Riots, assassinations, war, smoking weed laced with embalming fluid, the hideous fashion.... Loads of people were one toke away from a murder spree.

I'm glad she's out. She's fulfilled all the requirements for parole and is genuinely remorseful, which is more than you can say for the war criminals running the country since forever.

[quote] Loads of people were one toke away from a murder spree.

Bullshit, R35. You can rejoice all you like that she's getting out, but don't push the false premise that she was a product of her time and that people who were "toking" were all about to commit murder. She fell in with a cult leader. THAT'S what set them on a murdering spree.

And no, the fashions were not hideous. That would be the 1980s, darling.

Why hasn’t Sirhan Sirhan been paroled by the California authorities? He only murdered one person, and he too committed the crime as a demonstrably fucked up and impressionable young person.

[quote] John Waters is happy

Speaking of John Waters, I remember the story about how Johnny Depp was writing letters to Van Houten after Waters told him about his friendship with her. Depp tried to visit Van Houten in prison, but was turned away because he had been arrested for something.

R9 is going with the “all the cool kids were doing it” defense.

If it was up to me I wouldn't care too much one way or the other afternearly 45 years BUT I am always going to side with the victim's loved ones, and afaic, if they don't believe she should be free than I'll stand with them. They are the only ones that I think at this point should get a say.

R27 - I think it’s been pretty clear that Brown and Newsom are both against her release.

John Waters' interest in anything or anyone Manson is sheerly for self promotion and appearing edgy to dumb people.

R2, Examples of worse than multiple torture-murder and paroled earlier? (An accessory is considered equally guilty.)

R9, "She was told to do it"? Are you SERIOUS in positing this as a defense? Not since Nuremberg, pal.

As for stabbing after Rosemary was dead: Do you really think LVH KNEW THAT?

The DL Sisters of Mercy should take her in.

And Gavin Newsom now will never be President. Timing is everything, in politics and justice.

Now can I come home?

[quote] And no, the fashions were not hideous. That would be the 1980s, darling.

Sorry old queen, I didn't mean to insult your caftans.

[quote]People have committed way worse crimes and haven’t been punished as severely as she has. She was punished because the story was so famous, not because of what she did.

You are inured to such brutality and violence - it's like mass shootings. Columbine was a horror show. Today, people aren't nearly as upset.

When she committed the crime, it was a complete horror show. What they did was much more anti-social and further outside of society than if those same crimes were committed today. For someone to commit those crimes at that time, a person would have to be much more of a monster.

R45, Roman, really? After 45 years of living in your native Europe, you think of the US as "home"?

I'll trade you domiciles, if so!

This basically comprises the pro-parole stance of r2 and r9:

🤞

R3 Says she goes to a halfway house for about a year to learn basic life skills, " such as how to go to the grocery and get a debit card".

R9 She's no innocent. "Watson allegedly tried strangling Rosemary but she was able to grab a lamp and launch it at Van Houten. Van Houten allegedly held Rosemary down while Krenwinkel stabbed her in the chest several times.The knife apparently jammed in Rosemary’s clavicle bone and Van Houten cried to Watson for help.Watson had already murdered Leno, stabbing him repeatedly as he was tied up in the living room. Van Houten allegedly stabbed Rosemary's lower back and glute area over a dozen times".

She'll need money. I have to wonder if that means she'll do a book and tv interviews, because you get paid for those.

Now she can finally watch Helter Skelter, (or should that be 'Healter Skelter) ? not the new one but the good one with Steve Railsback, and she can watch all those other movies about it. She can listen to the White Album again...I say this facetiously but I know probably she won't but then again, maybe she will.

R50, a halfway house is an actual house where there are several residents. Leslie will be free . She can take walks, sleep in , eat whatever she wants etc etc . She may not be able to leave the county without permission for first year

R50, Leslie has a strong support base outside consisting of family and friends. She will be just fine

I’ve been waiting for more than 50 yrs for this.

She's going to be wealthier than any of us before she dies.

There are a lot of nutty Manson fans who would gladly give her money to talk to her. Son of Sam laws have been struck down numerous times and it'll be easy for them to figure a way around them.

She was gorgeous, gorgeous, gorgeous. And the cult murders just add to her allure.

Oh, she’s going “home”? Huh. I don’t have her on this week’s list. Oh well. Not a problem. We can set up a cot and find some room.

I’m sure John Waters will let her stay in his guest room. John?

Cunt R46, you don't know anything about fashion, '70s or otherwise. And actually, we'd be talking about the 1960s fashions, which were even better. Now do fuck off, twat.

I'm OK with her getting paroled. Do I believe her 100% about stabbing a dead person, someone told her to do it, etc.? No, I don't believe all of it.

Coming soon to Cameo!

Really, R53? That's sad.

R19, Susan was the most satanic/ sadistic , but Kreni was the most brutal

[quote] She's going to be wealthier than any of us before she dies.

[quote] There are a lot of nutty Manson fans who would gladly give her money to talk to her.

R54, you really think that constitutes amassing wealth? From nutty Manson fans? They're millionaires, are they?

Sharon Tate’s sister said publicly that the Manson gang are some of the richest in 🇺🇸 prison system. They lived higher than other inmates

Satan, R56, wouldn’t she be COMING not going? Oh dear!

She'll hardly be a hot item on the interview circuit.

She’s attractive so must be set free!

—DL

In the prison system, R64, where wealth is counted in cigarette cartons, not in investing in stocks.

Apparently she’s got a job lined up at Henckels.

R68, I am referring to all the $$ they received from admirers . Leslie and others lived quite well in the joint

[quote]Satan, [R56], wouldn’t she be COMING not going? Oh dear!

Of course, I realize she’s “coming” to me, silly! I was mirroring. OP’s headline that she’s “going home”.

Don’t worry. You’ll get to meet her eventually. 😈

R66, why wouldn’t she be?

[quote] She was gorgeous, gorgeous, gorgeous. And the cult murders just add to her allure.

I agree completely, and her gorgeousity is what makes her freeing all the more urgent. I think she should live with John Waters, personally, but I would be happy to have her as a roommate. I’m dead serious.

The crimes were absolutely despicable and horrific, but this woman has absolutely done the time, repented, reflected, matured, has been a model prisoner, etc., and is CLEARLY no risk to the public (no matter what the midwits on DL or anywhere else have to say about it).

Of course, RIP to the LoBiancos and Tate, et al.

Leslie was resentenced to second degree murder. The California law is that its 25 with possibility of parole. This was in 78. Legally, she should have been out mid to late 90’s. She has been a model rehabilitated prisoner.

FREE TEX WATSON!!!

This NBC article says she was convicted of first-degree murder.

John waters will exploit this for himself. Stay tuned.

R75, yes , in 1971. Leslie was released in late 70’s for several months pending a new trial . The first two trials ended in hung jury . She was convicted for second degree murder.

She should be allowed to settle into her new halfway house and try to live like an ordinary member of society. She should be able to go on quiet evening strolls in her new neighborhood. While on one of these strolls, I hope she gets mugged.

It’s almost like R75 did not read more than a word or two of what R73 wrote.

[quote] Appellant was retried by a jury. Appellant was found guilty as charged of two counts of first degree murder arising out of the murder of Rosemary and Leno La Bianca, and guilty of conspiracy to commit murder in the first degree.

[quote] The judgment is affirmed, and the petition for writ of habeas corpus is denied.

This cunt should have died in prison 50 years ago. She definitely should die in prison now.

When I saw this I thought you meant to Jesus.

Fuck you, R81. You want to be judged for the rest of your life by the worst thing you ever did?

God damn it, R73, you tricked all of us.

Still, she’s being released and (most of) the world couldn’t be happier.

Horrible human being.

R84 who cares what public opinion thinks. She’s free and will be released by end of month clandestinely .

[quote]Fuck you, [R81]. You want to be judged for the rest of your life by the worst thing you ever did?

LOL - if the worst thing someone ever did was viciously slaughter a bunch of people in cold blood and for no reason, then yes, that person should be judged for the rest of their what-should-have-been-shortened-by-the-penal-system life.

Therefore, I can only assume that r83 is being ironic.

Her lawyer was on CNN today. She said that despite how some people feel that she should be locked up forever, the process of the law is being followed, and the process is just about completed with her being paroled soon. Even Gavin Newsom has given up on this. The woman has served her time for the crimes she DID commit, but she did not kill Rosemary LaBianca. I think over 50 years for her wrong doing and involvement, short of murder, is plenty.

[quote]I agree completely, and her gorgeousity is what makes her freeing all the more urgent

I thought you were joking at first when you posted that sentence, but then the rest of your post made me realize you’re serious(ly fucked up). And “gorgeousity” it’s not a word.

Not only did she not

[quote]viciously slaughter a bunch of people in cold blood and for no reason

…she didn’t even do that to the ONE person she was convicted of killing.

Why not learn the basic facts of this case before spouting off?

She participated in a heinous thing over 50 years ago. She is not that person anymore. She’s not crazed and taking LSD and under the spell of a cult leader. She’s in her goddamn 70s. She’s been a political prisoner for over a decade. Some of you pussies are so emotional and illogical.

R89 = PUSSY, PUSSY, PUSSY

Not only is R89 an overly emotional pussy, he’s never seen A Clockwork Orange. What a loser! What else don’t you know about the 20th century?

I wouldn't want to be "judged" for the worst thing I ever did in my life. But can I get some credit for getting away with it? Seriously? Is that too much to ask? ----------------OJ

R93 gets it

R83 is unfamiliar with, how you say, "the legal system."

[quote]And “gorgeousity” it’s not a word.

And this bit of verbiage, r89, is not a sentence.

R96, I do too. The above poster is mentally slow

[quote]She’s been a political prisoner for over a decade.

Nelson Mandela was a political prisoner for fighting against apartheid.

She stabbed Rosemary LoBianco 14 times and smeared her husband’s blood on the walls. I guess if you believe that Charles Manson’s plans to incite a race war through the murders was a political statement that you support then, sure, she’s a political prisoner. 🙄

She could have and should have been paroled 10 years ago, but was denied because it would have been a “bad look” for the governors of California, R98. That is what makes it political. She would have been paroled were it not for the high profile and notoriousness of the case.

[quote]She would have been paroled were it not for the high profile and notoriousness of the case.

She would be dead if the Supreme Court hadn’t overturned the death penalty. She got lucky. She should die in prison for the high profile and notoriousness of the case.

As much as you sickos are excited about her release, I am actually hoping she is quickly and brutally murdered within the first three days after she gets out.

You’re about as fucked up as she was in 1969, R100.

Here's my counter to the "She's old and has spent enough time behind bars; she's rehabilitated and no danger to society; she's technically not a murderer, anyway" stance:

"Sez you; sez you; the verdict stands."

R70, none of them amassed a fortune from their admirers, nor will she live lavishly outside prison.

I’m not going to lose any sleep over it. She desperately wanted out and she is not going to break any laws .

Around 2009 or 2010, I was listening to Coast to Coast AM and the show discussed the Manson murders. A guy called in and said he believed Leslie Van Houten should be let free and that he would be willing to house. George Noory and whoever the guest was ripped into the guy.

I am okay with this, and I'm not surprised that it was Newsom who OKed this, as he's the first CA Governor young enough to not remember this crime in real time or be interpersonally politically connected to it.

Jerry Brown -- governor in the '70s and then again in the 2010s -- sure as hell wasn't going to do it.

How come her fellow inmates never took care of her? I'm surprised she has been allowed to last this long.

R80, thanks for proving R77 wrong. Van Houten's original sentence was reaffirmed in 1980 as first degree murder--two counts.

R107, fellow inmates at Sybil Brand were scared of the Manson girls. They were known as 'crazy' and 'connected' and not somebody to trifle with.

[quote]They were known as 'crazy' and 'connected' and not somebody to trifle with.

Should that have been a clue that she should never be released?

Pussy Privilege. No one way men would be released under the same circumstances.

R111, I don't know that 73-year-old pussy gets the privilege(s) that you're referring to.

R112 Female Privilege

Oh, go to bed, Mary R113.

Besides Manson, seems like Tex Watson was the only male involved in the Tate-La Bianca murders. (Feel free to correct me if this is wrong.)

In 2021, he was denied parole - for 5 years.

He wrote a memoir in 1978. There were some recordings between him and his attorney that would usually be privileged. However, a judge decided that TW waived privilege when he allowed his co-author (memoir) to hear the recordings. Supposedly, TW confessed to other murders.

R115, Bobby Beausoleil and Bruce Davis are still time for Manson-related murders; just not the Tate-LaBianca ones. Steve "Clem" Grogan was also involved, but he's one of the few Manson members who earned parole.

^*still doing time

R28 She wasn’t there for the Tate house murders. She went to the LaBianca’s and stabbed a dead body.

And that’s exactly why I think she’s in prison right now and not out. Because everyone assumes she murdered Sharon Tate.

R116, thanks. Are any of the women, besides Van Houten, paroled now?

R119, the only women imprisoned for the Tate-LaBianca murders are still either doing time (LVH and Patricia Krenwinkel) or dead (Atkins).

Other Manson women -- Squeaky Fromme, Sandra Good, Catherine Share, Nancy Pitman, Mary Brunner -- have been imprisoned for Manson-related crimes, but they've long ago been released.

R44 I’m not defending her innocence, I’m saying a life sentence and parole denial for stabbing a dead body doesn’t align with the rest.

The fact that she was going to get the death penalty for that is crazy.

Has anyone been executed in the US for doing something like that? Mary Surratt for conspiring?

R111 Of course they have. Tons of first degree murderers have been paroled and released - male and female.

People who have committed far worse crimes get paroled every year.

Now Patricia and Tex are different stories.

We know that Patricia murdered Abigail Folger and Leno Labianca. Susan most likely murdered Sharon and Tex murdered the rest.

They will never be released because they were actual murderers and not accessories.

Bobby Beausoleil. In prison for the murder of Gary Hinman. He was married twice while incarcerated. Sharon Tate's sister opposes his requests for parole.

Another weird thing that happened was Van Houten's attorney disappeared during a 10-day recess of the trial. (After the prosecution & defense rested, but before closing arguments to jury.) Ronald Hughes, LVH's attorney was later found dead. He had been on a camping trip. People suspect he was murdered.

The trial judge ordered that the trial continue, despite LVH's attorney dying. Judge subbed in another attorney to represent LVH. LVH was convicted. This became the grounds for LVH's new trial.

R122, Krenwinkel was a much more active and effective member on both nights of murders than either Atkins or Van Houten.

People forget about her though because she's not the pretty one (LVH) or the loudmouthed crazy one (Atkins).

As for “pussy privilege”.

Here’s male killers who were released from prison over the decades who killed again.

G. I think we finally found your Oscar role. The last years leading up to the release and post prison life. Producers have already contacted me about it but I find it beneath me.

Steve "Clem" Grogan, convicted of 1st degree murder for killing of Spahn ranch hand Donald Shea. Jury considered him the most culpable of the 3 co-defendants, incl. Manson & Bruce Davis. Jury gave Grogan the death penalty and gave life in prison to Manson & Davis. Judge said Grogan was stupid and on drugs and reduced his sentence to life.

Seems like poor ranch hand Donald Shea was considered dispensable compared to Sharon Tate.

Grogan paroled in 1985. He's 71 now.

How do we know she won't pick up where she left off once she's out of the clink?

[quote] They will never be released because they were actual murderers and not accessories.

She was convicted of two counts of first-degree murder. As well as being an accomplice. She is a convicted murderer. She is NOT not a murderer.

You people who feel sorry for her and think that it’s OK to stab a body 14 times even though she was already dead was OK are sick. I have no doubt that if it were the 60s and you met Manson, you would have happily joined his little family.

R128, if she wasn't moved towards murderous recidivism during her brief stint of freedom in the late '70s, what are the chances she'll do so in her mid-70s?

Hope the dead-eyed, empty, inhuman, soulless cunt dies in a massive greasefire her first day "home."

If she were some big nigga who decided to accompany neighborhood friends to the store who then decided to rob it unbeknownst to said nigga and someone got shot and killed y’all bitches would have no sympathy. Tell me I’m wrong.

R132, if that were the case, and this old hagress murdered some other anonymous hagresses, she probably already would've been out. Years ago. Possibly decades ago.

Her mistake was being involved in murders that involved Big Hollywood and the Folgers.

R133 my point is that mostly everyone here fawning sympathy for this woman would have none in the hypothetical scenario.

R134, well, I would. Don't underestimate the nuance of this site.

[quote]People have committed way worse crimes and haven’t been punished as severely as she has.

Way worse crimes? Are you insane?

She's going to be killed the first chance someone gets. There is still a lot of rage out there. Manson was smarter: he knew he'd be safer in prison.

[quote] And that’s exactly why I think she’s in prison right now and not out. Because everyone assumes she murdered Sharon Tate.

The parole board was well aware of what crimes she committed and didn't commit, R118. And they're the ones who have kept her in prison.

[quote] Her mistake was being involved in murders that involved Big Hollywood and the Folgers.

R133, the Folgers had nothing to do with Van Houten's continued incarceration. None of them attended any parole hearings nor wrote letters.

She’s going to murder again. Mark my words.

She's not going to murder anyone.

Home?!? You can’t go home, Jack! She’s just trading one prison for another prison! How can you be free when you’re at a grocery store? I don’t drink kombucha, but I know what’s in it! It’s a living thing, that gets inside you and mangles anything from the light! You hear me, Jack!?!? The kombucha is you, and ME!!!

This isn’t about sympathy to me. You guys are bringing in emotional opinions. I’m simply talking about logic.

I’m saying she’d have been paroled a long time ago

I had a friend who became a drug addict and his friend got into a fight with a drug dealer and when he jumped in, the guy shot him. He was murdered in 2016, his killer will be out in 2031. His killer took a plea deal and snitched on gang members and got a lighter sentence.

You can absolutely commit murder in cold blood in the US and walk free or be paroled depending on the circumstances.

You guys have this naive idea that all murderers rot and die in prison. It’s not true.

Sorry I forgot to finish a point in R143. She’d have been paroled a long time ago had it not involved Hollywood.

Look at Karla Homolka.

R90 Exactly. She’s a political prisoner. She’s literally in prison because people think she murdered Sharon Tate and she was heavily involved with the trial PR blitz Manson and the girls put on.

As R127 pointed out, Grogan was given the death penalty for murdering Donald Shea with Tex Watson and was paroled in 1985.

He was paroled cause he wasn’t as famous as the rest.

I agree that she should have been paroled. But some comments on here is that she really isn’t a bad soul or she didn’t even murder. Not according to the law. As an adult she chose to partake in a cult that murdered and caused mayhem. She was there the night of murders and didn’t say this is where I draw the line. People in gangs who were present at the scenes of crimes and later demonstrated behavior indicative of their approval of the gang’s carnage but didn’t actually execute the murders are found guilty as murderers and no puts their actions in “perspective”.

R145 my first thought when I heard about Van Houten being paroled was of Grogan. He’s the perfect example of how the system works. Was able to get off for cutting off Sheas head no less, crazy as a shit house rat, and now lives a normal life. Where was all the outrage over him being sprung? I thought Bruce Davis assisted him, not Tex Watson, who ran off to Texas after the Tate murders. It’s Leslie’s direct connection to the Tate LaBianca murders that has kept her locked up for so long.

R146 I think no one on here thinks she’s a perfect angel. But she served over fifty years for her involvement in all this. There are shades of gray in her case, not just black and white. And the parole board has recognized this. If she was as horrible as Krenwinkle and especially Watson, I’d say keep her locked up. But this isn’t the case.

R124, Speak for yourself. You have no clue about people's memory of Patricia Krenwinkel and her vicious chasing and stabbing of Abigail Folger, during which Abigail plaintively cried out, "Stop! I'm already dead!" Police investigating the scene thought her white nightgown was actually a scarlet one.

R83, That was exactly, almost verbatim, the defense of Tex Watson.

Topic: LVH

She put the pillowcase over Rosemary's head and secured it with a lamp cord. She went to the kitchen for knives for herself and Krenwinkel. She held Rosemary down to enable Tex to bayonet Mrs. LaBianca.. She then stabbed Rosemary 16 times while the victim was on the floor, while also exposing the victim in a humiliating manner.

The coroner found that some of those stabbings were post-mortem, not confirming that all were. That claim was LVH's, post-arrest. IN REALITY, SHE STABBED MRS. LABIANCA WITHOUT KNOWING HER VICTIM'S VIABILITY.

Feh.

Bitch all you want about her being released but this is accordance with the law. When the death penalty was repealed by the California Supreme Court, Van Houten's sentence was revisited and she was given a life sentence with the possibility of parole. Appellate courts have consistently held that denial of parole under these circumstances is not correct if it is based upon the underlying crime rather than evidence of rehabilitation. After 50 plus years as a model prisoner, it became obvious that to continue to deny parole would be based upon the murders and nothing more. I doubt Newsom is "in favor" of her release, if for no other reason that it's a political liability, but to oppose it at this juncture is a sure loser. The crimes were horrifying, vicious and disgusting, but it's enlightening to look at the larger context of Manson and his connection with psy-ops experiments being conducted with lsd during his time in Berkeley. I'm not a conspiracist, believe me, but there is much more to the story.

Simply: LVH prepared Rosemary for murder, held her down while another did the stabbing, and then stabbed her repeatedly afterwards.

Yup. Set her loose, she's practically a girl scout.

[quote] You guys have this naive idea that all murderers rot and die in prison. It’s not true.

Who has that idea? And what you described was plea bargaining.

[quote] She’s a political prisoner. She’s literally in prison because people think she murdered Sharon Tate

Again, R145, you keep promulgating both points but they're both bullshit. She's "literally" in prison (yes, literally, as in physically) because she took part in one night of a sensational, infamous murder spree led by one of the most infamous cult leaders of the last century. A political prisoner is a prisoner who's in jail for just that--politics. This woman is hardly Nelson Mandela.

[quote] The coroner found that some of those stabbings were post-mortem, not confirming that all were. That claim was LVH's, post-arrest. IN REALITY, SHE STABBED MRS. LABIANCA WITHOUT KNOWING HER VICTIM'S VIABILITY.

R148 is 100-percent right. She participated in inflicting stab wounds in someone. It makes little difference whether the person was alive, dying, or dead. There was no way of knowing whoch of VanHouten's stab wounds contributed to her demise.

What an insult to the victim to say, "Oh, but she was already dead, anyway, what difference does it make?" Would it make a difference to all you Leslie lovers if that victim had been your mother/sister/friend?

What a bunch of low rent reasoning tthere is on this thread.

R150 Like I said, there are people walking the streets free because they committed worse acts and were about 3 years younger than her when they did it.

[quote] Would it make a difference to all you Leslie lovers if that victim had been your mother/sister/friend?

"Well, your mother was dead, anyway, by the time I stuck a knife 16 times in her--I mean, I think she was. Sorry!"--Leslie Van Houten

How do you think prisoners get eye glasses? Hers look like she chose them from a local optical shop.

I just assumed prisoners would all wear the same generic frame, like in Army boot camp.

[quote] Like I said, there are people walking the streets free because they committed worse acts

Like I said: who gives a fuck, R153? Your "Whataboutism" is hardly a defense in the eyes of the law. Fuck outta here.

The bottom line is this: all these criminals, these MURDERERS (Van Houten being one of them) inflicted senseless, vicious death on their victims, and were responsible for terror and trauma among a huge swath of the population, not to mention inflicting decades of misery and pain on the families of the survivors. This notion that the crimes are old or that the infamy of this cult rendered it unfair for poor old Leslie to get paroled down the line is laughable. You commit crimes like this, and sometimes your infamy stays with you and you're judged by it. Too bad for you.

All you Leslie lovers (Waters included) should shut the fuck up and be humbly grateful your convicted killer got out at all. There was no moral, legal, or societal obligation to release her. The fact that she'll get even a few years of freedom means she's very lucky.

Karla Homolka was in Canada, plus that case involved incompetent prosecutors. So, not a perfect comparison.

R158 Telling people to shut the fuck up on a thread specifically about Leslie Van Houten? Maybe you should see yourself out of this topic if you can’t handle the discussion or any differing opinions, or better yet perhaps you should pour yourself a nice cup of Folgers coffee and calm your tits, Mary.

R152 nails it. Had she been a poor black man she would have received life without parole.

How is she tan?

There’s also this this idea that she is some young impressionable teen. She was 20 yrs old. And we all know females are more mature at 20 than men, especially in 1969.

R163 you’re seriously posing this as an argument? Wow. A huge difference. One year out of her teen years.

John Waters was only really interested in Tex Watson. He was carny hot back in the day.

Once the "hot" faded so did John Waters' interest .

I wish her well for the future, and hope she is released.

What does Patty Hurst think about this shit?

Hopefully, police will find some future action of hers that they can charge her for, and get her back into prison so that justice can prevail.

Let’s just say I’m not taking any chances with wearing white shoes after Labor Day around this bitch.

R115 There was another man there, Manson himself, who chose the location, orchestrated it and set it in motion the night after the Tate killings. He didn’t get involved in any of the actual killing.

“ The four murderers plus Manson, Leslie Van Houten and Clem Grogan went for a drive the following night. Manson was allegedly displeased with the panic and flight of the victims in the previous night's murders. He told Kasabian to drive to a house at 3301 Waverly Drive in the Los Feliz section of Los Angeles. Located next door to a home where Manson and Family members had attended a party the previous year,   it belonged to supermarket executive Leno LaBianca and his wife, Rosemary, co-owner of a dress shop.

According to Atkins and Kasabian, Manson disappeared up the driveway and returned to say that he had tied up the house's occupants. Then Watson, Krenwinkel, and Van Houten went in. Watson claims in his autobiography that Manson went up alone, then returned to take him up to the house with him. Manson pointed out a sleeping man through a window, and the two entered through the unlocked back door. Watson claims Manson roused the sleeping Leno LaBianca from the couch at gunpoint and had Watson bind his hands with a leather thong. Rosemary was brought into the living room from the bedroom, and Watson covered the couple's heads with pillowcases which he bound in place with lamp cords. Manson left, and Krenwinkel and Van Houten entered the house”.

Btw; also, after all the bloody work was over and done they took showers and ate food from the LaBiancas refrigerator, what never is mentioned even if you can find this not oft mentioned fact is that they did this while the La Biancas lay dead, cut up and bloody on the floor.

Charlize Theron will play her in the film of her life

R150, Did my post at r148 really need to be shorter? I thought I was succinct.

And yet, r153, "like [you] said," you still provide no examples.

But now you added the detail of age. "Three years younger" would mean that you allude to JUVENILES who committed savage murder but didn't spend 50 subsequent years in prison.

What other apples and blood oranges do you plan to compare?

Those of you saying that she "only" stabbed a dead women or her wounds to Rosemary weren't fatal are seriously fucked up. Leslie certainly did not know if the stab wounds she inflicted on poor Rosemary would be fatal or not. She stabbed her to stop her from escaping and it is ridiculous to say she had no intention of fatally wounded her. She didn't gaf if she killed her or whether she was already dead. Also Leslie was actually disappointed that Manson didn't pick her the night before to go to the Tate house and participate in those gruesome murders. She begged Manson to allow her to go to this killing, knowing exactly what was going to happen. She raided the butchered victims refrigerator and had herself a snack before they left the house. The vicious bitch received the death sentence for a damn good reason -she deserved it.

Of course if Gavin was smart, he would stop this, as the republic party is salivating about the commercials they can make off this. Of course, being surrounded by Democratic Underground remora imbeciles as advisors, he will obviously do the wrong thing, instead of letting this bitch rot where she should.

I didn't know until now that Steven Parent had called sci-fi writer David Gerrold that night while on property and that Gerrold had later dedicated a book to him.

The fact they are from their kitchen and showered and put on their clothes is particularly callous

I find this number various but not by too much, between 12 and 15 mil. Her Is this true? The estimated net worth of Leslie Van Houten Net Worth is $ 12 million.

These fuckers cut short a lot of people’s lives, like poor Steve Parent, who was probably just minding his own damn business.

A blow for the LaBianca and Tate families who have shown up at the hearings throughout the years every time one of the murderers is up for parole. And now this.

Unreal that California didn't have the "life without the possibility of parole" option for these guys when the state Supreme Court decided the death penalty was unconstitutional and overturned it across the board. It's like they didn't care at all about the victims' families or the suffering endured by the victims before they died.

She was sentenced to life with the POSSIBILITY of parole. That means that she was never guaranteed parole. And yes, murderers do get paroled, but she was sentenced to death. Because of the seriousness of those crimes and her participation in them. Death.

Just because she is eligible for the POSSIBILITY of parole does not mean she deserves it. In fact, she does not deserve it. She deserves to die in jail.

[quote]What does Patty Hurst think about this shit?

Patty Hearst? She thinks you have her confused with Fannie Hurst.

[quote]Patty Hearst? She thinks you have her confused with Fannie Hurst.

Or Melt. Maybe they were wanting a patty melt.

Shtut the fuck up, CUNT R160. Is that better? I'll say what I want on this or any oter thread, MARY.

Hopefully she’s going to her actual house upon release…and not Terry Melcher’s.

R180 That makes no sense…the State Supreme Court could only overrule the death penalty, it couldn’t re-write a separate law at the same time. When the death penalty was in force, it was perfectly logical to have life without parole as the alternative.

Sorry: life with* parole as the alternative.

R183, I'll take two.

You're right, R186...I didn't think things through before posting. In thinking it through now I'll say that it's a shame the parole board doesn't seem to take into consideration the fact that this inmate was sentenced to death, and that California instituted life without parole a few years later but wasn't allowed to increase her sentence retroactively. It's like they don't care about the ordeal of the victims' families (who have tried for over 50 years to prevent any of the murderers from walking free) or the suffering of the victims before they died.

R179, There is no "probably" about it. Steve Parent was, at the time of his murder by Tex, departing the property.

Topic: There was no acceptable defense of Leslie Van Houten then; there is none now. But unlike her hapless victim, LVH escaped her date with Death. She never went to Samarra.

Instead, she has been granted Biblical longevity---no immobilization, no stabbing, no enduring hearing her loved one's screams of agony, no terror, no realization of her imminent non-existence.

That this passage of time has been spent away from society; away from other potential random victims; away from the influential company of Charles Manson, Lynette Fromme, Sandra Good, and her fellow savage grotesques, is indicative of a judicial system that works to protect both the innocent from further harm and the guilty from further harming.

What LVH, the laughing 19-year-old in her courthouse perp walks, did is amply described in this thread. The obdurate will continue to attempt to diminish, mitigate, or even dismiss her known deeds.

The rest of us will remember them all, including her sickening plunges into the dead LaBiancas to get enough blood literally on her hands, a non-hallucinatory Lady Macbeth, with which to smear words of paranoia on the refrigerator and walls, her bloodlust's not having quite been satisfied by her frenzied stabbing of a woman already weakened, as by a picador.

We will remember that LVH enjoyed her cruelty and the observation of others'. She laughed and smiled and cut an "X" in her forehead to show fealty to Manson long after having had enough time to reflect and be horrified at what she did and saw, and to repent and plead "Guilty." Yet---no.

But now she says she has had sufficient time to reflect. And now she has convinced others that she presents no danger, that she is "rehabilitated."

But rehabilitation isn't the sole purpose of incarceration; its partner is punishment. What LVH needed and still needs for what she did is exile, as permanent as the State could impose.

Thus, it is a miscarriage of justice to return Leslie Van Houten to the society she wanted to terrorize.

[quote] But rehabilitation isn't the sole purpose of incarceration; its partner is punishment.

R190 is correct. This wasn't a decades-long stay in a rehab facility; this was a prison, and she was there because she was convicted not once but twice of first-degree murder. It's one thing to say she will no longer be a menace to society. But that has nothing to do with justice for her victims and their survivors. This is a reward she's getting, a gift of freedom, not something she deserves, as so many foolish people are claiming on this thread.

For many people, anything short of State-sanctioned murder is insufficient. I'm not in that category. Our penal system is intended to bring fair, consistent and quick justice and it does none of the above. It will never satisfy those who think that, if you have been involved in a murder, you should just be put to death. There is no room in that equation for mercy or nuance, no past horrific enough to warrant compassion. There is also no argument good enough to pierce the lack of empathy that shields proponents of capital murder -- they are secure in their argument that the Bible says "an eye for an eye." Well, I've got news for them: the Bible is a barbaric document that catalogues some of man's most crippling inhumanity to others ever seen. So, I'm not taking my cue from it. It is man's better nature to strive to be something better and more civilized.

R192, what does capital punishment have to do with anything here?

R184 Lol, so you will say whatever you want while telling others to shut the fuck up. Whatever, you Psycho Cuntfaced Troll!

R194 is a triggered gash.

[quote]It will never satisfy those who think that, if you have been involved in a murder, you should just be put to death. There is no room in that equation for mercy or nuance, no past horrific enough to warrant compassion.

There was a trial where a jury of her peers, after hearing all the evidence, sentenced her to the death penalty. She got lucky when the California Supreme Court struck down the death penalty in 1972 and all death penalty sentences in the state were commuted to life in prison; no one looked at her case and determined that she (or her fellow Manson murderers) deserved leniency or reduced sentences. And now a parole board has decided that she should be set free from her life sentence because she behaved in prison. That's not justice. Not in this case.

She was involved in murders and got a life sentence instead of death penalty. I don't think parole should be an option.

In the meantime, I read this, which suggests she might not just be let out in a few weeks (sorry, Leslie lovers): "In the meantime, Van Houten’s legal team will still have some work to do before their client could be released. Her attorney Nancy Tetreault says she expects California Attorney General Rob Bonta to request the state Supreme Court review this decision, which could take several years."

R192 wins---and early, too, because so unbeatably manifold!---the 2023 "Straw Man Argument" Award!

The smugness! The scorn! The imagination! The inclusion of the Bible was just the right touch of extra irrelevance to garner r192 the Golden Scarecrow (actually made of iron pyrite).

Congratulations! And to all the other candidates (DJT, lookin' at ya!), I say, "Hunter Biden!"

[quote]I didn't know until now that Steven Parent had called sci-fi writer David Gerrold that night while on property and that Gerrold had later dedicated a book to him.

Well, if he was in touch with an openly gay sci-fi writer, it goes to my theory that Parent and William Garretson were doing something else with that clock radio.

Have Debra Tate or Catherine Share commented?

R176, a gay angle to the case. Steven Parent was [likely] gay, and so is David Gerrold. Seems like he was in the habit of calling up boys on Saturday nights and going over to their place..

[quote] Well, if he was in touch with an openly gay sci-fi writer, it goes to my theory that Parent and William Garretson were doing something else with that clock radio.

I hope they weren't doing anything to the clcok radio.

So when the fucking hell do I get out? I’ve got scores to settle and blood to smear!!!

Other little details about Van Houten are, "She said that later at age 17, she became pregnant and was ordered by her mother to undergo an abortion and to bury the aborted fetus in their backyard. Van Houten stated that after this event, she felt very removed from her mother and harbored intense anger toward her". and "Van Houten also told the psychiatrist that she would have gone to jail for manslaughter or assault with a deadly weapon without ever meeting Manson.

When her lawyer, attempting to show she felt remorse, asked if she felt sorrow or shame for the death of Rosemary LaBianca, Van Houten replied "sorry is only a five-letter word" and "you can't undo something that is done." In cross-examination, Van Houten aggressively implicated herself in inflicting wounds while the victim was living, and severely wounding the victim, severing her spine, which might have been fatal by itself. She vehemently denied acting on instructions from Manson, and said a court-appointed attorney who "had a lot of different ideas on how to get me off" had told her to claim Manson ordered the killings".

Van Houten was also befriended by film director John Waters. Moreover, he campaigned for her early release from prison.

I'm sure she won't kill again, she's too old, there are no more people to influence her to do so, she's off drugs that can impel her to actions without remorse. But then I have not read if she has made any statements of remorse for the actual deaths of the LaBianca's. Has she? I know some say what does it matter but it just makes you wonder, does she in fact have any consideration in that at all of human compassion for those people and all their family and friends and what they've been through, what they've lost and what the LaBianca's themselves suffered and lost?

R198, Leslie is out within 5- 10 days . She’s free soon

R198 is going to be so disappointed lol

Lock your doors, people!

Not at all, R206. I'm just not pathetically gloating like you.

Now she'll finish what she started!

But in all seriousness, this is years overdue. She's as rehabilitated as any inmate ever could be, and the fact that "second chance" Newsom consistently singled her out for imprisonment shows what a cockstain he really is.

R199 If I win for smugness, you win for complete incomprehensibility.

Yes, R209--it's such an outrage a Manson murderer has been in jail for decades.

Truly a stain on society as a whole, R209.

No greater outrage! I mean, unless you count people (often black) who have been imprisoned for years for crimes they didn't commit. But other than that, yes, Leslie Van Houten!

This is hardly news. She was always pegged as the Manson murderer most likely to get out.

[quote] Newsom consistently singled her out for imprisonment

He didn't single her out for imprisonment, R209. She was already imprisoned as a twice-convicted first-degree murderer. He vetoed her parole because it was politically expedient and not a good look to allow an infamous Manson murderer out of prison. So did Jerry Brown when he was in office.

So poor Van Houten ran afoul of politics. Boo hoo. That's what happens sometimes when your crimes are so appalling and infamous that they follow you around for decades. Meanwhile, she's been twice blessed--first by being spared capital punishment and now by parole. She and her fans should be grateful instead of indignant that this didn't happen sooner.

R215 The greasy fuck singled her out for CONTINUED imprisonment, then. The parole boards have recommended her for release a dozen times by now, and every time, he moves to overrule them and keep her locked away.

Newsom supports ending cash bail. He supports alternative sentencing. He supports community policing, pre-trial diversion, and all those other hippy-dippy ways to put criminals back on the streets. That's his brand, sucky as it is.

But this bitch? All his speeches about redemption and decency go out the window for LVH. And why? Because her crime was a media circus, and a handful of voters in that giant psych-ward he calls a state still remember the Tate-LoBianca Murders...and would vote against him if he let her be paroled?

[quote] and would vote against him if he let her be paroled?

You just answered your own question, R216. As I said, it's politics. And Brown did the same thing regarding her. Boo hoo. Stop with the indignation over her when she's the luckiest Manson bitch there is.

[quote] [R215] The greasy fuck singled her out for CONTINUED imprisonment

Nice. She is a twice convicted MURDERER and he’s “greasy” and a “bitch”.

Glad your favorite serial murderer is getting paroled. Have a good wank to it, sicko.

Does LVH really count as a serial murderer?

I'd place Watson under that label though.

She's a PAROLED convict.

Aren't progressives supposed to believe in second chances? Especially for dizzy broads who are manipulated by sexual predators in their spotty youth?

Sexual predator--is THAT how you define Manson, R220? That was the lesser of his many "qualities."

[quote] Aren't progressives supposed to believe in second chances?

Dataloungers don't even believe in first chances.

R168 You know I don’t even believe in death penalty but these people should never get out of prison. How do you stab a pregnant dying woman. I think we forget how horrid these crimes were. They killed them so viciously to the point of overkill. And Sharon Tate was still alive when she was hung. I don’t give a fuck. The dumb sociopathic bitch was 20 yrs old.

[quote]Meanwhile, she's been twice blessed--first by being spared capital punishment and now by parole. She and her fans should be grateful instead of indignant that this didn't happen sooner.

But people have committed way worse crimes and haven’t been punished as severely as she has!

R224 Who? And since when are criminals offered sociopathic Olympic awards.

R220 She wasn’t a youth a big dummy. She was a young adult.

R220, See, this is how you reveal yourself to be ignorant of the facts.

LVH HAD her "second chance" when, after the Manson verdicts and sentencings, California rescinded the Death Penalty. Thus, she and her cohorts were allowed to live. To breathe. To walk. To socialize. To read. To learn.

A "second chance" really doesn't get better than that, r220.

NOW she's been given a third.

[quote] Aren't progressives supposed to believe in second chances?

The second chance happens AFTER justice has been served.. Justice in this case requires that she remain in prison as long as she is alive. Remember that true justice would have been her execution, so she’s already received a huge reprieve far beyond what she deserved.

The “Free Leslie Van Houten” troll is apoplectic, I’m sure.

Yes, I see that troll is all over this thread. Still going on about her being a “political prisoner.” I’m sure she’ll let you snortch her beef curtains if you ask nicely.

Anyone calling this woman a political prisoner is either highly mentally ill or purposely trolling. Or someone who speaks English as a second language and knows not what that word means.

I am 100% anti-death penalty, and I volunteer in a county jail. R231, this is my first post here, but I think that term political prisoner all depends on the context. If governors were deciding her parole based on how it would affect their re-election, isn’t that political? I think it is, BUT I understand your point, which is that she did not enter the system for political reasons at all, she entered it because she participated in a horrific murder spree, end of story.

Here is the problem that all parole boards face — their mission is to seek evidence of transformation, and when they see it, they are called to show mercy and offer hope. Does that mean I agree with this particular decision? I don’t know. I would have to read the huge volume of materials that this parole board had access to. I do agree that the families of victims *must* have a huge voice in the parole process because that is holistic justice — you take into consideration ALL of the impacted parties to determine what is truly just. All this to say, try not to judge the parole board too harshly because it’s a shitty and thankless job where you cannot win, no matter what you do. I don’t envy them.

But another side to all of this is that I do believe Leslie HAS been rehabilitated. And if you’ll just humor me, *if* that is indeed true, then what do you do with people like that? If you keep them incarcerated, it actually creates a more dangerous prison because when people have zero hope, violence goes up dramatically. And I know people will say, “Good! They deserve it!” but the truth is that a violent environment also affects the correctional officers, the medical staff, the mental health care workers, the chaplains, the innocent children of inmates, and so on and so forth.

Creating a violent prison culture does not serve society. I think after the years I’ve spent in the jail, by process of elimination, I’ve landed on wanting a system that offers mercy and hope, and much less on a punitive system. The punitive system is so dehumanizing that it makes the people who work in it monsters too…..how does that better our culture? Remember, most prisoners will eventually be set free, so do we want to make them into bigger monsters, or help them rebuild their lives so they can contribute to society in a positive way that benefits not only society, but also breaks the incarceration cycle for their children? I actually believe that putting prisoners into the right roles could solve some of society’s biggest challenges (for example, who better to work with gang-bangers, the homeless, and addicts, than current or former prisoners??).

Anyway, whether we all agree or not, she is getting out. Just like the death penalty, where we have decided to err more on the side of not killing human beings because the system is too broken, maybe that’s how parole is too. Meaning…maybe we have to accept that this is the price we pay to create a healthier society? That some people will slip through the cracks who should not be free, but we choose that because overall, it is much better for our society to give second chances? Life is very complex, it isn’t black and white, and this case actually proves it.

I wish Leslie no ill will, but more than that, I hope that the families can find a way to cope with this very painful outcome, they deserve enormous compassion and understanding and gentleness. I hope they will use this chapter of the Manson saga to advocate for other victims of violent crime so that their voices are truly heard. Even in the most awful, terrible circumstances, there is always some type of good that can be extracted. So if their story expands the public’s understanding of trauma, that is the most we can hope for.

So sorry for the TL;DR post! This type of topic is my passion so I get into it.

R232 thank you for the balanced, nuanced posting. I posted up thread it’s not a black and white issue and I wish more people would understand this.

Yes r234, that’s how I see it too — you are welcome. 🥰

Manson was a superb pimp ! He could manipulate women better

Yes, he was an “excellent” pimp. He was totally bisexual and slept with all of the men in the Family too. I read one of their books (a girl, can’t remember title) who was a teenager and her parents basically sent her to live with Charlie. He raped and sodomized her. I don’t know why, but it surprised me for some weird reason. Charlie was the most broken, damaged, twisted person ever. He was completely institutionalized too, so I think he likely felt secure inside the prison system, he understood the game.

☝🏼 Manson called prison “ crime factories/ schools” . He was an astute student in criminology, mind techniques like hypnosis, meditation etc in prison. Manson learned a lot of music lessons in the joint . Manson was evil from preschool age . His early childhood was neglectful and bereft of love and bonding

I wanna hear about the gay sexy times with Charles.

What the hell is she going to do for money? John Waters should put her on his lecture/performance circuit and get her to add a whole new dimension to his Xmas shows. Put your money where your mouth is, Waters!

R240, Leslie has financial means TRUST me

Being a political prisoner implies one has been unlawfully convicted, convicted of a crime that infringes on one’s civil rights ie being Gay or not the right the religion, or a prisoner of war. Being convicted for a heinous crime in which one DID commit tried by a jury of one’s peers, and later being denied parole by sitting US governors does make one a mafuckin political prisoner; especially if one considers that one is among most privileged members of that society. Dumb bitch.

One of my great uncles in Cuba was sent to prison for refusing to turn his assets over to the government. THAT is a political prisoner.

R242 This psychotic woman is a trust fund baby? Never knew that. I knew they were upper middle class, didn’t know that rich.

My comment was meant for r241.

Does NOT* make one, should read

R244☝🏼. Her dad set her up and she has family and friends that support her

For those of you new to Charlie, he was the son of a 15 year old prostitute junkie, and was a ward of the state for most of his life, I don’t know if he ever knew either parent. As an adolescent, he was violently raped in prison multiple times because he was so small. That is why he became a master manipulator — in the beginning, it was for survival. Later, he used manipulation to further his dangerous agenda.

R248 He did know his mom. That’s what brought him to Los Angeles.

R232 But if someone is locked up, separated from the people they conspired with to act, guards, bars, with a carrot dangling on a stick, you go home if you don’t do anything bad opportunity to do wrong is basically for the wacko who can’t behave, (ed; Charlie) how really do we know if this person is rehabilitated once back out, anyway. In her case she’s now old and I’m sue won’t but so many get out and repeat murder and the innocent murdered are the way they prove the parole board made an error.

Once a pregnant woman killer always a pregnant woman killer. It also has never been confirmed if all her stabbings were made post mortem. She help them hang the victims, and Tate was still alive when she was hung.

R251 She wasn't even there when Sharon was murdered, you stupid fuck.

R252 You don’t know that and her defense team certainly didn’t convince a Los Angeles county jury.

R253 ....she was not at Cielo Drive. This is an established fact. You stupid fat cunt.

R254 But had to be at some point to make post mortem stab wounds. Make it make sense.

R255 Leslie went to the Lbianca house, not to Cielbo Drive, so she never stabbed or had anything to do with the Sharon/Folger etc murders.

Oh well the bitch tortured and murdered an innocent business owner and his wife, leaving the wit children as orphans. Sad.

What is a wit children?

R257 wtf I must have been typing really fast.

The big question is-----Will she MURDER again?.....You gotta admit, chopping up new innocent people could be her ultimate FUCK YOU to a society who locked her up decades ago.....??

R260. 😂. Love you.

What about me, bitches? I'm tanned, rested, and ready for Helter Skelter 2023!!!

Fuck this cunt

[quote]What the hell is she going to do for money?

Write a book.

Leslie has a decent net worth

She’s out!

She is expected to live in transitional housing for a year.

Based on that other thread, DL will be delighted to hear that Ms. Van Houten plans to relocate to The Villages, Florida, where she plans to live her last days with her cat and collection of Ginsu knives.

[quote]She is expected to live in transitional housing for a year.

Must EVERYTHING be trans this year?

This is really great news. Very happy for her. And for John Waters.

R123 in his day, Bobby Beausoleil was hot as fuck. I think Kenneth Anger got him at his hottest. I feel badly lusting after young him, but lust I do.

[quote]She’s out!

Lesbian?

[quote]She is expected to live in transitional housing for a year.

[quote]Must EVERYTHING be trans this year?

Ha!! I bet this really gets under the skin of all the TERFs that hate the trans people so much to know that their heroine murderess is becoming a man.

We’ll have to wait to see what he chooses for his new name, but we should probably refrain from using his deadname, out of respect. I bet he chooses Charlie.

True justice would be if she’s brutally murdered within her first 48 hours of freedom. Fingers crossed .

[quote]We’ll have to wait to see what he chooses for his new name

Leslie (Jordan).

I’m out bitches!

[quote]Former Manson Family Member Leslie Van Houten Is Released on Parole

It should be “Former Manson Family Member [bold]FORMER[/bold] Leslie Van Houten Is Released on Parole”.

We don’t yet know his new name now that he’s been sent to transition housing.

God! You’d think that the New York Times would be a little more sensitive about deadnaming a cold blooded murderer during their transition.

Maybe a bus will run her over. 🤞

Of course this is anecdotal, but I knew this old crackhead that only served 3 years for committing a brutal murder. Sentence was originally 5 years for beating a guy to a pulp with a baseball bat over a sum less than $100.

Guess my point is that murder sentences vary so vastly and she's served plenty of time. I wouldn't say she deserved to get out but I don't really get the passion for this case when there's murderers going free everyday. Yes, even murderers with pregnant victims, but they aren't famous so no one cares enough to keep them in prison for decades.

First case on this list is about a guy who killed 3 teens, serving measley 11 years, only to kill again just to prove a point. Maybe we need an overhaul of the justice system to be more consistent, but for now, there was really no good argument for keeping her (esp compared to other murder cases and when she didn't directly murder anyone) if she served what society is saying is an acceptable amount of time. It really comes across as people wanting that because of who the victims were (wealthy, famous, white people) and the notarization of the case. Something doesn't feel right about that either unless we apply that to all cases.

She'll be like that guy from Shawshank who hung himself after he left.

Spoiler, r281!!!!

I love that for an ending, r281! THAT would make a great movie.

Maybe the best part of getting out is Folger’s in your cup.,

There's no question that Leslie participated in a terrible, terrible thing.

Under the influence of a charismatic madman who's whole thing was getting people to do terrible things for him using mind games and drugs. She was 18 years old.

Anyone else who'd done EXACTLY what she did in 1969 would've been out by the '80s.

Leslie Van Houten has paid substantially for what she did. I believe justice was served. It was time to let her out.

The most evil thing I can think of is for the state to say "No. No mercy for you. You rot and die behind bars." I can hear it now, "What mercy did she show her victim." EXACTLY. If we as a whole in the state of California aren't better, more compassionate, more merciful than the mad act of an 18 year old girl under the influence of Charles Manson, then I'm sorry I've lived so long.

Mercy is the highest calling of man.

[quote]Anyone else who'd done EXACTLY what she did in 1969 would've been out by the '80s.

You don’t get it, do you? There was a whole family of them, and several girls who did exactly the same thing and none of them got out. She’s the first and only one. You can’t say anybody who would’ve done EXACTLY what she did in 1969 would’ve been out by the 80s because NOBODY who did exactly what she did in 1969 has gotten out.

And neither should she have

Maybe ( Hopefully) she'll get run over by a bus!

JLC is LVH!

My sources tell me Leslie is elated and very prepared for this transition

R288, that would not be terrible casting!

O Happy Day!!

I know, r290.

Second Oscar?

Will she appear on Dancing with the Stars? A new panelist on The Talk? Cover of People?

There was ZERO argument for keeping her locked up. As soon as Governor Brown blocked her release, recommended by the parole board, she became a political prisoner.

R294 is the Leslie Van Houten Political Prisoner Troll!!

I hear Andy Cohen's giving her a reality show!

I wonder who will get the first interview. Diane Sawyer? Robin Roberts?

You guys are not serious people.

R232, I've been a vociferous frequent flyer here, advocating against parole for LVH.

You have written the most moving, cogent, and persuasive response.

Stop, r253. You're pushing beyond the boundaries of stupid.

Good for Governor Newsom. He's modernizing California, regardless of unpopular opinions or what people think

Screw these cunts stuck in 1969.

[quote] Will she appear on Dancing with the Stars? A new panelist on The Talk? Cover of People?

Onlysnufffans. A new site where people get naked and have sex and then one stabs the other 16 times and smears their blood all over the walls then makes herself a sandwich.

Judging from the OP photo, she's seriously in need of a makeover. Perhaps that could be her first media appearance! A makeover on "Live With Kelly and Mark"!

R223 LVH had no involvement in the death of Sharon Tate.

[quote]You guys are not serious people.

And I thank the fucking gods for that.

A good axe swing on Rodeo Drive while screaming Helter Skelter will help her get revenge on so many prisoners by keeping them locked up years longer. Even California would be too afraid to start letting more killers out. It would be her ultimate FUCK YOU SOCIETY. And FUCK YOU GOVERNORS for keeping me locked up for years. I really think she is going to kill again. This old lady shtick doesn't fool me one bit. She still wants revenge for Charlie and waited decades for it. wait and see.

She 100% was a political prisoner. Anyone wanting to keep her locked up after 53 years is petty and small minded. That's not justice.

No matter. She's out now. Good for Newsom and the parole board.

I'm guessing all the "She should be FREEEEE!" harpies are our contingent of Datalounge females who have no business here in the first place. Women will always, ALWAYS excuse women at the end of the day, no matter the crime or evil. Always.

You are so stupid, r308. I'm about the loudest "keep her incarcerated," and I'm a Frau.

Moreover, being 73 I agree with r306 that it's been "old lady schtick" by LVH that has opened the gates to freedom.

Mark my words, Leslie will color her hair and wear makeup again and will look much younger. She’s actually a pretty lady

R308 can easily explain why so many women voted for Hillary Clinton.

Also a frau, and she should stay in prison if the victims' families wish it so.

Ugly human being, inside and out.

She was sentenced to death, when that was overturned, she got incredibly fucking lucky. The gall of going out for parole every year is maddening. This cunt shouldn't even draw breath. That fat cancer riddled one didn't get out, even as she lay dying, so why did Leslie?

"... can easily explain why so many women voted for Hillary"

The Republicans would love to put you in a concentration camp, Mary- and turn on the gas.

R314 it’s fun watching your head explode over this. I’m out. And there’s nothing you can do about it. So suck it.

Not r314, but, you'll be dead anyway very soon, Leslie. So, suck it!

R317 I survived over 50 years in prison. I’m not going anywhere anytime soon. And you’ll still be having strokes because of my release. Boo hoo.

[quote]Leslie Van Houten is going home !

Come, Leslie!

Moohahahha!!!! 60 years of acting all sorry and nicey-nice finally paid off!!!! Now I’m going to be a super cunt!!!! KILL EVERYONE NOW!!! CHARLIE 4EVER!!!!!!!

I'm the political prisoner troll, and I'm a homosexual male.

Leslie is enjoying her first full day of freedom according to my sources. She’s staying very close to her current residence, and takes short walks and embracing the fresh free air

A sledgehammer at a homeless encampment in the middle of the night, while alternately screaming CHARLIE!! Helter Skelter!!?....I know I'm right. She isn't done. She and I both know it.

She isn't in tip top killer shape anymore. Keep an eye on her is you see her near a Daycare or Nursing Home. Next time she will be going for volume, not just the number of puncture wounds. No Joke. I see evil on her.

I remember that special on the Manson bitches 20 years ago, and the interviewer showed the videos of the women to Charlie and he said something like "Oh they got old!" And then the interviewer showed his reaction to Leslie and she was pretty keen on hearing what he said about her, cause she's still a dumb cunt who has no remorse. Is their a cult for the elderly? Cause she'll join it if so.

R325, Leslie has denounced Manson and she is no longer a threat to society.

A claw hammer at the movie theater. She is going to sit in the very back row and work her way to the front with each whack. She is going to scream "Bring me the PIGS" to the terrified people running out of the way.

So glad she is free. You nasty frau sluts bitching about her on this thread better hope you don't get a visit.

She will soon find out that karma’s a bitch.

That ho better be careful. Sharon Fate’s nephews will make her fuck around and find out.

RR328 I will fuck that Ho up if she ever went near me or any of my friend’s homes. We will make this bitch see the grim reaper, Tarantino style. Y’all think the final act of Once Upon Time is gruesome, she’d wish she was never born after fucking with us.

R331 You seem nice.

R332 I am nice. Sharon Tate would be a beautiful old woman today but she was hung alive after being stabbed numerously while 9 months pregnant in 1969.

[quote] the interviewer showed the videos of the women to Charlie and he said something like "Oh they got old!"

I remember that. As if he were looking young and dewy! He looked like an evil Lazarus.

[Quote] Loads of people were one toke away from a murder spree.

Don't judge everyone based on mom and dad, dear!

Right R334, but it seemed like Leslie really cared what he had to say, she sat and watched that with Stone Phillips or whoever, instead of saying, "I don't want to see this shit, I fucking hate that guy!" I just got the sense that she cared what he thought.

Got it, R336. That's interesting that she still cared what he thought of her. He was basically using all of the women to attract other members & do his dirty work. I posted above that besides Manson and Tex Watson - all of the others involved in the Tate / La Bianca murders were women.

I know she is old, but she actually looks older than I thought she would. The area around her mouth looks like a smoker's mouth, but I'm guessing no smoking was even allowed at the prison.

A car with the words CHARLIE scrawled over the hood. Speeding down a crowded street. Maybe a Farmers Market. Windows down while she laughs and screams "Helter Kelter!! Come get Bugliosi!!"

R216- "Newsom supports ending cash bail.' Good! Cash bail exists now to punish the poor and keep them incarcerated in these private jails for profit. People can't afford bail for even nonviolent minor charges in today's economy. It needs to go as well as privately owned jails. Who the hell ever thought it was a good idea for anyone to make a profit from incarcerating people, ffs.

[quote] I'm guessing all the "She should be FREEEEE!" harpies are our contingent of Datalounge females who have no business here in the first place.

No way. Fraus would sooner have her hanged for being peripherally involved in the murder of a pregnant starlet. This is the Nancy Grace outrage crowd.

TWO BIG DATES coming up for Leslie.------->> Aug 9th. The anniversary of her first (confirmed) murder spree. And the other date Nov 12th, Mansons birthday. Those could be trigger days for her.

Humans are very adaptable. She's a survivor of... something. I hope she's already started writing a book.

R337 she was allowed to smoke in prison earlier in her sentence, John waters used to buy her 3 packs every visit

It was made illegal to smoke in Ca prisons since and he switched to buying her Pepsi

John Waters, the poor man's Norman Mailer.

LvH, the poor womans Mink Stole.

R345 Who is in turn the poor woman's Patty Hearst.

[quote]John Waters, the poor man's Norman Mailer.

I originally read this as "the poor man's Norman Maine."

[quote]Leslie is enjoying her first full day of freedom according to my sources.

Your sources = people in your head.

REDRUM.

[Quote] I know she is old, but she actually looks older than I thought she would. The area around her mouth looks like a smoker's mouth, but I'm guessing no smoking was even allowed at the prison.

Smoking is the #1 pass time in prison. Cigarettes are a valuable commodity.

She will kill again. She is going to be like Joran Vander Sloot. Once wasn't enough. I have never been so sure of anything in all my life.

R350. I think so too. I always have premonitions about such things. I just know it.

Has she killed anyone new yet? Or is there a separate thread devoted to that?

R352, she's getting a reality show. You can watch her fresh kills directly on live feeds!

She’s definitely going to murder again. She’s even told me as much.

I know you fucking think you're cute R354, but I bet you hate OJ, and OJ is much more likeable and actually gave something to the world in his football playing and his movies. Leslie is a dumb cunt who never put anything good into the world.

How will she live? She has no pension. She had no job. She's 73 so isn't getting a job. Plus, you know, she's Leslie Van Houten.

R355 OJ Simpson is not a sociopath. Actually well he might be a sociopath but he is not a psychopath. He just a fucked up murderer who killed passionately motivated. This broad is a depraved psychopath and all these individuals who randomly and viciously killed people they did not know should never see the light of day.

She has rich friends R356, like John Waters and probably Johnny Depp, or maybe he only likes those west memphis fucks. I'm sure the've invested money for her and I'm sure the son of Sam law isn't enacted anymore.

Plus he was fucking hot and you know he threw a mean fuck to all those beautiful blondes making them achieve multiple orgasms.

[quote]How will she live? She has no pension. She had no job. She's 73 so isn't getting a job. Plus, you know, she's Leslie Van Houten.

Trader Joe's.

R353 Still beats Sean Cody's OnlyFans network.

Will she get Social Security, even though she's never worked?

R362 Yes.

Yes queen! 😈

Do you think she'll post on Datalounge!

Someone create an AMA (Ask Me Anything) for her here.

She looks like one of the drawings in the "What Europeans Think Americans From Every Single State Look Like" thread.

"She has rich friends like John Waters and probably Johnny Depp"

Um, Les- can you spare a couple hundred? I heard you got a severance check when you were freed.

She killed before and she'll kill again!

I hope she is crying uncontrollably in her new comfortable bed, regretting bitterly her crimes and lost life, including her own.

I don't want anyone to kill her, but I hope people at least throw rotten eggs at her when she steps outside.

Vincent Bugliosi said he believed that each one of the killers already had the capacity to kill in them before they met Manson. Lynette Fromme was the most devoted of his followers yet he did not choose her to go on either night because he knew she didn't have it in her to kill. Manson knew which of them could kill, would kill, innocent people. He also knew who couldn't. Leslie could and did. Cold blooded, cruel murder. Rosemary died terrified, listening to her husband being slaughtered in the next room. Leslie dipped her hand into the blood of the victims and wrote messages on the wall with it. She then calmly showered and ate a snack from her victims kitchen. Leslie was there that night because she begged Manson to take her with him knowing innocent people were going to die an unspeakable death. Leslie had been upset because she didn't get to go the night before, when a young women who was nearly eight months pregnant begged for the life of her unborn child in vain. No mercy was shown to her. But the vicious, bloody thirsty cunt was DISAPPOINTED to have missed the night of unimaginable slaughter. Yes, many years have passed since those violent, tragic nights of death, but lingering impact, cruelty, viciousness, and lack of remorse from these depraved group of filthy killers will never be forgotten nor should it. That is how I feel about it.

All mostly true, R371, except that she was fully rehabilitated including admitting guilt and expressing remorse for what she did.

R327- With all due respect, you have no way of knowing that and neither do I. You do not know if she was experiencing true remorse or acting the part to get paroled.

[quote] Lynette Fromme was the most devoted of his followers yet he did not choose her to go on either night because he knew she didn't have it in her to kill.

What?! Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme tried to assassinate US President Gerald Ford. She also acted like a cheerleader after the Tate / La Bianca murders.

R374- The gun wasn't even properly loaded. She wanted to prove her love to Manson, but Bugliosi was correct about her, she couldn't kill.

R375, Not for lack of trying, you dope.

R376- Well Skippy, I think I will believe the opinion of the prosecutor and author of the Bible of the true crime books over you, as special as you seem to feel you are.

R375, didn't her BFF, Sandra Good, get 10 years in the pokey for writing strongly-worded, threatening letters?

Although that one is a scary woman. I can see the motivation for locking her up.

R373 the parole board would’ve saw through her act if that’s what it was. They didn’t just let her out after five years, it was 54. She’s been examined by countless doctors, psychiatrists, and prison officials over half a century. I’m sure she doesn’t want to go back to prison, just to die there. I’d be content doing anything than to be locked up again, which I’m sure is how she feels.

She was married?

R368- I agree with you, I found her to be frightening because she was truly insane, imo. Manson started preaching about the environment while in prison and Sandy started sending threatening letters to business owners/ corporate heads who failed to take her advise/warning/ death threats seriously.

R379- No they would not have because it is impossible to know if someone is genuine. We have no way of knowing the motivations of others. Many intelligent professionals have been fooled in the past.

We just had dinner. Talked about philosophy

R381 agree to disagree. Her mind would have to be on a psychotic level never seen before to fool those people for over 50 years.

R383- Just Google murders who were paroled and went on to kill again. She isn't on some special level, she is just a sociopath who chose to kill. She has a long history of manipulating, self serving behavior. She is quite frankly a disgusting pos.

Leslie and I used to go to Bible study on Wednesday nights together

R384 Rosemary LaBianca was stabbed 41 times. Leslie has admitted stabbing her 16 times (horrible but she served over a half a century for this). That means she was stabbed 25 times by Tex and Pat before Leslie had a turn. No one is alive after being stabbed in the lower back 25 times. LVH didn’t kill her. She’d HAVE to be on a different level to fool a gauntlet of doctors and prison officials for over 50 years. I highly doubt she wants to go back to prison after so long. And were the murders 54 years apart if I Google them? Unlikely.

r386 is the LvH stan. 'No one is alive.....'? And how do you know this, Charlie?

Yes, actually one man was 85 years old , won parole and went on to kill another woman. I don't believe she will kill again, that isn't my issue with this. I believe she should have served the rest of her life in prison. You obviously feel differently. We will have to agree to disagree. She got an undeserved break, imo, when the death penalty was taken off the table. She does not deserve parole. We disagree and that is ok. I really don't give a shit how much remorse she managed to fake.

R386, Sez you.

The coroner who did the autopsy on Rosemary LaBianca testified that IT COULD NOT BE DETERMINED which stabbings were totally post-mortem.

You know who declared, and subsequently had it quoted in every media source as Gospel, that RLB was "ALREADY DEAD" when LVH stabbed her?

Leslie Van Houten.

R389, don't even bother with those posters. Some of them are STILL convinced that Van Houten murdered Sharon Tate. There is no cure for their ignorance re: this case.

[Quote] Rosemary LaBianca was stabbed 41 times. Leslie has admitted stabbing her 16 times (horrible but she served over a half a century for this). That means she was stabbed 25 times by Tex and Pat before Leslie had a turn. No one is alive after being stabbed in the lower back 25 times. LVH didn’t kill her.

So, Leslie was counting as she stabbed Rosemary and felt it was OK because she was probably already dead any way.

Who doesn't count when they stab someone?

[quote]Who doesn't count when they stab someone?

I counted the number of whacks I administered with my ax.

Last couple sentences are.....WTF??

r384 You sound like a rube.

R391 No you stupid idiot. Do you think if she said that the parole board would have agreed to release her 5 times? Jesus Christ, think.

Light Bulb Moment, aka, DUH! 💡

The foundation of Leslie's "remorse" is her psychological need to believe SHE DIDN'T REALLY DO ANYTHING!

Yes, yes, the fun post-slaughter misspelled blood-writing, the showering, the raiding of the refrigerator, and all that. The meat fork in Leo's stomach. But Rosemary had been DEAD! Dead, dead, DEAD! Leslie could tell!

The screaming, you see, had ceased.

R391 who knows? Her brain was fried on drugs. She might’ve counted. Or might’ve guessed. It’s safe to assume it was probably 10-20 times. That means the first 21 times (minimum) were done by Tex and Pat. If you think someone will survive 20 stabs in the lower back, you’re nuts. So LVH didn’t technically murder anyone. There’s no convincing some of you on here. What LVH did was horrendous. But she served over half a century for it. You can wish her the worst and death, but the law was followed and what’s done is done.

[quote]You can wish her the worst and death, but the law was followed and what’s done is done.

This is my first and probably last post on this subject. I do not care one way or another about her release - probably better that she is out so that we are no longer paying for her to be imprisoned - but if the law had been followed, she would have been dead long ago.

Leslie and Pat talking about the LaBianca murders at 25:00. This is where Leslie claims it was 16 stabs.

R398, The last time I read those words---"what's done is done"---I was teaching "Macbeth."

Lady Macbeth, Act III, scene 2. She "didn't do anything," either.

Leslie come home to Jenny Craig. It's returning fall 2023.

Leslie is probably starved for affection. Maybe we can hook her up with Rex Heuermann.

I try to put myself in her mind. Living out in the desert with druggies, thieves and psychopaths. Having to have sex with anyone who wanted you. I think if I was hungry and dirty, I'd eat some dead people's food and take a shower, too.

Why didn't she just walk away? Where would she go? Would Charlie hunt her down?

Why do Trump's supporters still send him money?

Why would you choose to live out in the desert with druggies, thieves, and psychos? Most normal people would not, shitty people would. She was supposed to be executed, it takes a lot of fucking gall to show up for a parole board every year. Her scrunched up faux mournful face doesn't fool me. She's an asshole, now and forever. Most normal people don't kill anyone or go on a murder spree and "stab an already dead woman". I've done copious amounts of drugs and I've never done that.

This woman needs to be locked up for life

An English teacher who worked with her wrote an op-ed piece for LA Times.

R384- You are an sound like an incel living in your mommy's basement, but it doesn't matter because I am blocking you. Anyone who stans a decrepit murdering hag like the anyways self serving, manipulative narcissist LVH is in desperate need of mental health services and obviously has no life or real life friends. Sad.

She just bought a new outfit!

[quote]Would Charlie hunt her down? Why do Trump's supporters still send him money?

I ALWAYS KNEW HE WAS PART OF MANSON'S FAMILY!

OMG, r407! That drivel was written by an English teacher, which is what I was last century. How shameful.

"She is a good person who did a bad thing."

"Bad."

"Thing."

No! LVH is an EVIL person who THOUGHT EVIL things (plural), DID EVIL things, and can NEVER UNDO her EVIL things.

Not to mention the anodyne, soulless, and obfuscatory "thing."

SHE is allowed the identity of "person" by that beguiled teacher, while the murders, the grotesqueries, the trial mockeries, THE LABIANCAS---all just combined into the word "thing."

WTH ELSE ARE HUMANS, if not our actions?!

Yeah, why some dumb bitch in an op-ed thinks we value her opinion is beyond me. "Oh Mrs. English teacher thinks Leslie is a good person? What are we waiting for? Let her out!" No doubt this twat can't let a day pass without telling people she knows LVH and has an unpopular opinion on her. Stfu.

She didn’t stab Gibbie Folger!!

R411 you're a fucking idiot.

I thought I analyzed that sentence pretty accurately, r414. Sorry you're an LVHLover! . And a fairly inarticulate one, too!

Chilling.

I didn't kill anyone.

👹 👹👹👹

Before anyone 'goes there' I know Leslie Van Houten was not at the Tate house murders but at the LaBianca murders.

The morning I read Van Houten was out I went to the kitchen to make my morning coffee. As i scooped the coffee from the container looked at it saw the name written on it. 'Folders'. It hit home to me very acutely and I felt so bad thinking about their loss, the Folder's family, so very rich had nothing more valuable to them I'm sure then the daughter they lost that terrible day.

Folder's? Oh dear.

Even the very name “Abigail Folder” brings tears to my eyes all these years later.

Poor Abigail Folder---Death by a thousand paper cuts.

I love Folder’s coffee from the Dollar Tree. I’m sipping a cup and wearing my cool Ray Bands sunglasses.

I made a typo, had a cat on my lap and couldn't get to the keys properly. Cat was all over me while I typed.

Once is a typo, twice is not. Own it, R424! It was a moment of levity in a dark thread.

Is she our new Lens? We dont talk about Folger much though.

I know we are really piling on CBK, so why not stack it up?

Look at her pupils in r270 - dilated and two different sizes. Cane face too.

You’ve confused me, R427.

R427, Put down the pipe.

Yeah, who the fuck is CBK?

Ah, r427 is somehow on the wrong thread. "CBK" must be "Carolyn Bessette Kennedy."

R425

No sooner did I try to 'own it' than I I got knocked out of the comedic spotlight by 'CBK' guy, who probably does not even have a cat on his keyboard.

Wow, I caught this episode of Forensic Files today, this bitch was released last year. So she did around 15 years for killing her husband to cover up the money she stole, just like that Winkler bitch who did no time at all.

R31- " I wonder which deranged homicidal maniac she is going to pathologically worship after Manson's death... "

She didn't pathologically worship Manson, he physically repulsed her. She was one of Bobby Cupid's girls. He took her and Kitty Lutesinger to the ranch with him when he went to see Manson. Bobby was important to Manson because he attracted the female members of the Family. Manson was too old, ugly, and creepy to attract all of those young girls despite his ability to manipulate and charm. Squeaky, Sandy, and Pat were completely devoted to Manson, the rest of the women just played the game and did as he told them to because he was so much older and he provided and controlled the drugs which gave him a lot of power over them. 8 This is why I have never believed LVH and her BS excuse of being controlled by Manson. She was crazy about Bobby. She stayed at the ranch because Bobby told her to. The killings happened to free Bobby from jail. Everything leads to Bobby Cupid. Bobby, drugs, murder. Bobby and Manson were equal in power before he was incarcerated for murdering his gentle little hippy friend. The girls who helped torture and kill Gary for three days were taking orders from Bobby, not Charles Manson. Manson sliced Gary with his sword then left and never returned. LVH was actually angry at not being asked to participate in the Tate murders. She begged to go with them for the next night of murder. She begged to go knowing what they were going to do and fully aware of what had occurred the night before. She wanted to prove to Bobby that she would kill for him. All of killers have used the mind control of freaky - Jesus-Satan Manson and it is complete horse shit in my opinion. Manson repeatedly over the decades said he didn't make anyone do anything and he didn't order them to kill. I believe CM instructed, advised, and chose the victims himself, but the motive was to free Bobby Beausoleil. LVH was eager and determined to do anything to get Bobby freed, including murder. All of them were. The only remorse LVH had was that it didn't work. She never saw her murderous little Cupid again.

She seemed pretty interested in what Manson had to say about her in that interview in the 90s. I don't believe anything this twat says.

America's killer diller!

In this early interview you can see her still struggling mentally to emerge from the cult. He really had a hold on those people.

Well for most of you, you won't have heard of this at all but she kind of reminded me of Leigh French doing a hippie girl on the Smother's Brother's show.

You think she's made reservations at El Coyote yet?

Well a group of us got together at the senior center and made sure that we had pictures of her with security at the front desk! The last thing we need is some serial killer participating in our morning senior yoga class!

R440, Gary Hinman, Steve Parent, Jon Sebring, Voytek Frykowski, Leno LaBianca, and Shorty Shea might have given you pause enough to at least reconsider the gender name of your signature.

Maybe the setting should be a morning bocce game?