Froy/Zane 2

Richard is much hotter than Zane.

Froy and Zane today hanging out with Jack Hughes -

So hot.

Who’s that hot guy at r2?

What is the huge bump in Froy's crotch in the OP picture.

He stuffed something in his pants to take the photo next to the dick cactus

Zane mustache stans unite 👨

I’m sorry this is completely and utterly fascinating. A true human chameleon. He even dyes his hair.

This could be the basis for a great gay thriller.

Pictures above PROVE the dumb bitter cunt on the previous thread was full of shit snarking about how 20 lbs overweight Froy is, with enormous love handles.

NOT.

Does Froy spend ANY time on his acting career?

Well if he’s a human chameleon, his relationships are his acting career.

blondie tips must be IN!

Helen of Froy finally has hot dick in her life, so that career shit will just have to wait.

R13, To be fair - Madden was hot dick too; just too controlling and suffocating for Froylan's taste.

Froy and Zane today pic 2 -

But here’s the thing, what if Madden wasn’t even that controlling or suffocating? What if Froy was just intuiting what Madden wanted and made himself, voluntarily, into this kind of phantom boyfriend? A literal chameleon, blending into the woodwork.

here's a line:

R16 do you mean turning himself into the closeted and sour guy that Madden appears to be? Sure…Madden couldn’t possibly realize that his boyfriend might actually want to be acknowledged as such and not be a dirty secret unless Froy shouted it.

Froy and Zane from today pic 3 -

R16 madden also played these games with Brandon who was previously out and proud. It’s Madden’s MO to keep his twinks hidden. as part of the deal. Yes Froy and Brandon went along with it but let’s not downplay Madden’s messed-up mindset about all this.. btw, were his ex-gfs also kept out of sight?

They were public beards.

Froy at queer line dancing Thursday night -

The gaps between all of his teeth make him look like there’s spinach caught between each of them, or cavities, or alien.

Brandon Flynn was a starfucker and Froy is a human chameleon, Richard was seeking out sycophants. Brandon had enough of an ego to push back which is why they did the blind man pap walk. Froy simply melded into Richard’s world, probably with no pushback, which to a narcissist like Richard would have ideal. That’s why Froy got so far, to the joint family vacation stage. Froy chameleoned himself into a version which Richard would love, and Richard fell in love with him. It may not have even been closet stress which chased Froy away, Froy simply decided he wanted to change his colors and walked away. No fighting, no friction, just out the door. Richard would have been devastated, which is why he turned into an old man.

Human chameleoning would also explain why Froy tends not to stand out in his acting roles.

Has Madden been spotted recently?

R24 I think this nails it. The twinks are clearly star-fuckers, and Richard is obviously the deeply insecure and paranoid man-child that likes 'em young because he can more easily manipulate them to his ways. I've always felt that his life is "my way or the highway" ultimately. He has too much at stake (in his own mind) to ever let that all go. We will never see him live like Zane and his super gay posse. The next one will be young, pretty, and blond too. And Brandon definitely had the balls to challenge him. Froy may play naive, but he is definitely more sly, and played the long game until he clearly had enough, or got enough of what he wanted. That said, I definitely think closet stress played a part in the end though. Perhaps for both. Both boys came flying out of Madden's closet on fucking rainbow unicorns shittin' glitter. That's not coincidence. It's a pattern, and will repeat itself again.

Amusingly, Richard would have noticed that Froy was turning into him, but, being a narcissist, he would have just assumed his good taste and style were rubbing off.

The Pride pictures would have absolutely horrified him, not because Froy was kissing another man in public, but because Froy had so completely turned into another person.

Froy is 25. Richard started dating him when he was like 22, or younger, who knows. A person is going to change at that age.

Yes but it’s so well-studied. He matches palettes, fabrics, outerwear, accessories, hair color.

Richard would have even fallen more in love with him as Froy became more and more his mirror, unfortunately.

Clearly Froy is devoid of any real personality of his own if he just becomes a clone of his boyfriends, like those dogs that start to look like their owners, or is it their owners start to look like their dogs.

Still amazed at all the things people who barely work, looking at you Froy, get to do.

Who are these people?

Gay actors.

they know. they posted twice in a row.

Fucking shapeshifter! I was going to propose to him! Granted it was fifteen, twenty years down the line, but I had every intention of doing it!

R26 - latest Richard pics are from April 29th.

Yikes. He really did love him, in asmuch a way as a narcissist could.

R36 wasting away. Dreaded Poz Face?

No just Scotch for Scotch.

froy story.

this brit/zane clone hanging with them

R41 He’s hot too. Looks so much like Zane.

That poster going on about Froy changing his look to match his bfs: why is that a problem? Brad Pitt did it for more than 10 years and he seems to be doing just fine. Also 2 times does not a trend make.

Brad Pitt had a bf?

^brad Pitt also changed his look to match his gfs.

his maleficent dress was fab!

R24, IDK if Froy was that nonchalant/callous with his exit...He went through an off-period earlier this year also (big hair chop, motorcycles, bad attempt to stud-up etc). We speculated trouble in paradise around that time.

maybe he was paid off for a nda! $$$$

maybe he was paid off for a nda! $$$$

R46 Froy was in the process of shedding his old skin for a new one

Just to point out, Froy isn't in fact out. Only when he says 'I am gay' in a media outlet will the media actually acknowledge it.

Yes, having a boyfriend and pictures of him kissing said boyfriend are not enough. He must SAY THE WORDS! On LIVE TELEVISION!

that cactus @ OP looks like a big fat cock

LOL

[quote] That poster going on about Froy changing his look to match his bfs: why is that a problem? Also 2 times does not a trend make.

Froy did it quite a bit with Hunter too. So that's more than 2 times. And it's to the extent that he does it that raises an eyebrow. He clearly has a bit of an issue with having his own distinct identity. It's something to think about, considering multiple people have noticed it going back several years.

Nothing gets buy R52!

I wonder if Froy would give an incredible performance if he had to share a scene with someone like Sir Anthony Hopkins.

Dunno r55. What's Tony working with?

Dunno r55. What's Tony working with?

Hee hee

Its not as pronounced with HS because all college age boys dress the same, but you do start to see it

He makes slight changes so it doesn’t look exact

Never knew who Froy was before DL. Now I can’t stop thinking about him

R59, Ha! I know! Same

Of course you can’t, he’s a hypnotic lizardperson.

Always wondered why Froy mirrors his partners a lot. To a certain degree it's normal, but he does it so much so, and so quickly with each guy, that it kind of rings the alarm a bit. Always kind of thought he has some sort of issue with his own identity and how he sees himself. Also as said above, how he so easily gives in to his partners way of life...is it insecurity, or is it something more calculated?

Note how he he even dyes his eyebrows.

He’s very skilled at this. Incredible attention to detail.

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Didn't realize how nearly identical they all look. Like 3 age stages of the same gay clone - oldest, middle, and youngest.

(Not to mention, the first two are known for liking threesomes...)

[quote]Helen of Froy finally has hot dick in her life, so that career shit will just have to wait.

Amending as per new pics of the Zane clone:

Helen of Froy finally has TWO hot dicks in her life, so that career shit will just have to wait.

Hot throuple!

Who is the bottle blond stud on our left at R66.

What’s the over/under for Froy growing a mustache

This thread is more boring than the last one. What is this, the Menninger Clinic? Why all the psycho-analysis. Shit.

I question that Froy and Hunter were serious boyfriends. Maybe they fucked around together, but gay men also have close friends who are other gay men and they don’t always fuck them or have a ‘relationship.’

R71.

R72.

[quote] Why all the psycho-analysis.

It’s FUN.

Not as fun as gossip.

who is analyzing whom, r71?

R69 That would be Jack Hughes.

Is Jack Hughes a prostitute? Family money? He can't be making a living selling 50 dollars prints.

Froy has got kinda stacked.

IFHH

HWNLYFHH

^ a gurl can dream

R78 I also came to that first conclusion but I wasn’t going to say anything

R78 R82 Some have said he used to do porn. There was 1 video he did for Big C Men where he gets fucked.

Oh yeah them totally. He’s a yacht boy. In fact his last Story is on a yacht.

R38 do stop, NOW. Take your ignorance and dump it somewhere else.

The sad thing about that comment is the Eldergays still think HIV positivity, especially for a wealthy white actor, would still result in that look. Its like they’re posting from 1986!

[quote]Its like they’re posting from 1986!

Not the poster in question, but in 1986 virtually all of my friends were dead with many more to follow in the next decade.

Hughes is very hot but always going on about his cat and his depression. Bit of a bore. I was surprised to see them all together.

My point, cherie, is that in 1986 HIV was an immediate death sentence for most. Now you can live a very long time with HIV and look perfectly healthy.

So, saying someone looks POZ would be ignorant and uninformed.

You can still go fuck yourself.

R76 All that stuff “wondering why” Froy mirrors his partners. He

...supposedly mirrors who he’s with in his dress and tastes.

r91 r92

People have NO gallows humor anymore. And no irony and sarcasm. The POZ FACE jokes are usually eldergays who know very well what POZ FACE is, know that it is from the past, and are NOW having satiric fun and ribbing the sex negative shut ins. It's sort of DL Polari.

DL IQ circling the drain.

Some level of satire there. 💩👀

Technically the one using the Poz Face sobriquet would be the sex negative one.

It’s just not something that should be used anymore. Like you shouldn’t say “He looks like a Tranny.”

R96, you shouldn't?

No.

You can say “He looks like a Trans.”

[quote] Why all the psycho-analysis. Shit.

Why the stick up your butt? It's a topic on a bitchy message board, so questions are gonna come up when someone has a blatant pattern of turning into their boyfriends right away.

[quote] I question that Froy and Hunter were serious boyfriends. Maybe they fucked around together, but gay men also have close friends who are other gay men and they don’t always fuck them or have a ‘relationship.’

They were boyfriends. It was obvious.

R83 That definitely looks to be Hughes. Pretty hot - love how docile he is there. Would love to see more.

Clearly there are people who are very literal and cannot for example understand that black people have reappropriated the N-word. Young gay people reappropriated the formerly pejorative queer. Tranny will come back.

Tranny will come back? This thread has gone south big time and transphobic. Yuck. I think I will check out and keep my sanity

Wouldn’t it be fun if Froy went Trans or NB next? Maybe date Sam Smith and continue the circle?

I don’t think he’d chop it off, but he would dye his hair and eyebrows indigo and use new pronouns.

Why would that be “fun?”

R88 Jack doesn’t spend as much time talking about his narcissism but his almost constant pics in states of undress scream it.

Jesus Christ he lives at the BARBICAN?

He must be VERY good at what he does.

Froy is really quite creepy, it turns out.

R107, no he's not, but you are.

The Froystanners are hilarious. And deluded, obviously. (Expect 'well so are you' from R108 again - ridiculous stans.)

NEW - Froy and Zane (and friends) riding around LA, in Froy's fancy Jeep, listening to Janet Jackson -

SO F IS THE JJ STAN!!!

[quote] Froy is really quite creepy, it turns out.

Correction: Froy is spook-key-key-key, key-key-key

¡Froy!

OH MY GOD

They unwittingly re-enacted The Talented Mr. Ripley in real life, on location, in Italy!

Well, except Froy didn't accidentally kill Richard Madden. Though I suppose a near miss (Oops!) might account for the breakup. Maybe Zane should be a bit careful.

Now I’m going to keep thinking of Jude Law’s lines in that movie delivered in a thick Scottish brogue.

“YEE DON HAF TA KEEP CLEANIN’ ERRYTHING!”

Based on the couple porn videos he did, Jack definitely likes 3-ways. A bit surprising that Froy and Zane would go for that so early in the relationship, but I guess how much line dancing can you do?

I hope he stays far away from Jack, I would die if Froy ended up turning into this

he's now a weho a list...for weho gay...and prob paid off.

you be you, boo.

[quote] I would die if Froy ended up turning into this

Oh please. We'd all be eating it up.

I can't wait for Froy to hoe it out. He's due soon for it anyway.

[quote] Based on the couple porn videos he did, Jack definitely likes 3-ways. A bit surprising that Froy and Zane would go for that so early in the relationship, but I guess how much line dancing can you do?

R117 According to the Zane fans, there is a 3-way that Zane was filmed in with some pornstar friend of his years ago. And Zane is friends with all the WeHo and NYC A-Gays, as well as quite a few pornstars.

I don’t know much about Zane, I just assumed he was a chorus boy who started getting big and got attention

Is he of that, um, same world where Jeff Davis of Teen Wolf does his castings?

There’s a Zane porn scene???

Well let’s be Frank, there is hardly any more real porn any more, there are just home sex videos which make their way online. Similarly there are no porn stars anymore, just self-promoting exhibitionists sluts like example A a few posts up.

why are faus surprised that gay men like sex?

R99 It was so obvious no one mentioned it for years.

None of the Imgur links work for me. Where are you getting the original video of ane and Froy driving?

Zane

The driving vid is on IG. Froy quoted someone else’s story as his own. I think it’s the first time he posted Zane on his IG.

Its reposted on the Twitter @gayhcavill

[quote] It was so obvious no one mentioned it for years.

It's been discussed in gay gossip forums (like DL) for years. And doesn't make it any less true even if it wasn't mentioned.

Where is the Zane porn?

[quote] It's been discussed in gay gossip forums (like DL) for years. And doesn't make it any less true even if it wasn't mentioned.

I searched Hunter and he seems to have been mentioned on DL mostly after the Froy-Madden gossip started.

No it doesn’t make it less true if it wasn’t mentioned. But you said everyone knew about it and you can’t prove that if no one mentioned it.

R132

I’ve seen Richard referred to as a narcissist here a few times. I like Froy, I only know Richard since he had a relationship with Froy. But Froy has always seemed narcissistic to me because of his love of being photographed, and posting so many selfies. Often they’re subtly suggestive or provocative. I think a lot of Instagram fame whores are narcissistic.

All actors are narcissists

I don’t judge them for that

Richard’s narcissistic reputation stems IMO from the photos when Brandon forced him to walk with him in public and Richard looks like he’s on his way to be executed

Like dude get over yourself

I can't see how that is remotely narcissistic, R135.

[quote]All actors are narcissists.

A stupid generalization from someone who doesn't know anything about actors. A lot of actors are actually insecure and suffer from low self-esteem.

[quote] No it doesn’t make it less true if it wasn’t mentioned. But you said everyone knew about it and you can’t prove that if no one mentioned it.

"You can't prove that"...what are you in high school? It's a gossip forum. And, I never said "everyone knew about it". I said it was discussed by fans here and elsewhere going back years. And it was. Sorry if you missed out on it.

You want to believe otherwise, go ahead. They were "roommates", like Madden, Froy and Brandon.

R138, that person is arguing up and down this Froy thread and the other one. I stopped responding to them. The constant back and forth is exhausting instead of fun gossip about hot actors.

Froy is 25 it is normal for guys to be twinning at that age. That having been said I don’t think the blonde dye jobs are flattering for him or Zane.

I wanna see the sex tape. Zane looks like he could wreck Froy's mussy.

[quote] Froy is 25 it is normal for guys to be twinning at that age.

Yeah, mutual twining. Not what happening here.

Yeah, this is clear Ripleying.

Told y'all. Froy becomes his boyfriends. His image, body, and clothing have already changed in just the last few months.

I'm looking forward to him hoeing out soon. ;)

Wouldn’t hoeing out be antithetical to a human chameleon? He latches onto someone and turns into them for, one would imagine, stability.

It’s like those fish that latch onto a shark, they don’t jump from shark to shark to shark.

[quote]It’s like those fish that latch onto a shark, they don’t jump from shark to shark to shark.

Speak for yourself.

[quote] Wouldn’t hoeing out be antithetical to a human chameleon? He latches onto someone and turns into them for, one would imagine, stability.

Stability? Ha! Not necessarily.

But that wasn't what I was getting at anyway. What I meant is that since Zane is very out and bold with his image/body/etc., it would be nice to see some of that rub off on Froy when it comes to his own public image. As for really hoeing out, considering what we've heard in these threads for a good while, he's probably already very familiar with that.

See that I disagree with because Zane looks comfortable with his own styles. Froy looks… off. It looks like a little kid playing dressup.

Regarding Zane’s own image and style, it’s actually very self-conscious and deliberate, seemingly assembled from the big bucket of gay stud cliches of the past (Tom of Finland mustache, International Male clothing). But at the same time, he is the one making those choices so he looks comfortable wearing them. Froy imitating Zane just feels like Zane… by Shein.

Well, I'm not saying Froy should outright imitate Zane's image to the letter (beyond what he already does with his boyfriends in his personal life). Just that maybe some of Zane's confidence, exhibitionism, etc. would be a positive influence on Froy coming out of his shell more publicly, and leaning into a more sexually/body confident image in photoshoots and whatnot. It's time, and would be nice to see, especially since Froy's starting to actually look more like a man now, has been putting work into his body, etc. Why not show it off?

As for clothing/personal style, he looks "off" and "like a kid playing dress up" because he has never really found a unique style/look for himself. He seems to have struggled with that over the years.

They're at the Huntington Gardens, aren't they!

I never thought to look for celebrities there, not that these guys are famous outside the Datalounge.

It’s seems like we can’t criticize them for being closeted or Zane being a downgrade lookswise or the regular bitchiness so their quasi-matching outfits are what this thread is latching on. It’s amusing

R151 I don’t see how Zane is a downgrade. He’s handsome, he’s got cute facial expressions, his body is better than Richard’s, he’s a lot taller than Richard, and he’s younger.

Richard is extremely famous.

Zane is a complete Z-List nobody.

HUGE downgrade for Froy.

r152 is a Trumper on other threads here at DL.

Beware.

Who are these people?

Gay actors.

Why does he let them put him in dresses?

I mean say what you will about Richard, at least he never worse an evening gown.

Zane got a lot of attention for Glamorous this summer. Richard hasn't done anything of note other than the expensive bomb that was Citadel. Tbh, Richard peaked already. Not seeing the downgrade, espeically when Zane is out.

Zane got a lot of attention for being with Froy, no one watched Glamorous.

Please, Madden is a name on many possible cast lists; Zane is a dime a dozen nonentity.

You overestimate Froy. I saw Zane trending for being hot before he started line dancing with Froy

R36

[quote]- latest Richard pics are from April 29th.

We commented that he didn't look well in those pics.

Zane looks HAF @ OP and I bet he's tearing up Froy's bussy.

r164

^^^^

I don't get your gig.

r166

nevermind

r168

When someone quotes another post without comment like R167 or R169, does that mean they agree with them? Or are they saying "Look at this silly post."? I'm asking sincerely, so please don't just quote my post lmao

nobody knows so just block the cunt

r171

they ignored the poster but MUST see what they posted.

yes, lame.

Froy commenting on Zane's recent photoshoot -

Gotta agree with R159 here — there can be no “downgrade” if the prior partner has already peaked.

Richard has been chasing this action star status for the past decade. It’s not really his fault it’s not happening — “CITADEL” hit right at the point that the market is totally oversaturated with streamers & action shows. But it’s not going to happen — & the Bond franchise is also way too broke to bet on anyone not firmly established already. He needs to let that whole idea go.

It’s time for him to pivot to “character actor”. It is what it is.

AGAIN — this is not a criticism against his appeal or abilities. I think he’s great; I’m just talking about what I think he can realistically achieve in the TV/film industry.

R175 The original downgrade comment was referring to looks only.

R176: Downgrade in looks is not applicable either. Have you seen the latest Madden photos? He is definitely past his prime in looks. Zane is in his prime.

R177 That’s why I wrote in my post R152 that I don’t think Zane is a downgrade in looks. You don’t need to convince me.

[quote] Richard is extremely famous.

He's not though. He's far to reclusive to be 'extremely famous', and his career so far doesn't warrant it either. His peers are surpassing him at this point.

And what good is all the fame and money if you can't live and love openly? Zane may be a big gay ken doll of the typical kind in the Hollywood scene, but at least he's fairly honest about it. And he's an out and proud gay men, and makes that very clear. That already makes him infinitely more attractive than whatever is going on with Richard (if his twink ex's are anything to go by). Froy already looks infinitely happier than anything we saw in the last few years. He dodged a bullet. Good for him.

[quote]I mean say what you will about Richard, at least he never worse an evening gown.

He doesn't have the build for an evening gown, and he knows it.

I still can’t get over the freakishly phallic cactus in OP pic. It’s like they’re paying homage to it.I think they might be gay.

R148 I would love a bottle or two of Costa Brazil Aroma as party swag. 200 bucks a bottle and smells GREAT.

I think Zane is fabulous and handsome and sexy. I like that he can be a big girleen and muscle Mary. His character on Glamorous cycled through different attitudes and identities and Zane seemed game for all of them. He seems more comfortable in his skin than Richard and Froy. THAT amount of body building does raise some questions but the answers might be acceptable. At least he's more honest than Richard and seems to like a good time and in no way is Zane a step down in looks. Might help Froy become more authentically whomever he is.

Why doesn’t Froy come out?

R184, kissing his boyfriend publicly was his way of coming out. Sorry that is not good enough for you.

No, R185. You are not out until you say so in a public context, after which mainstream media will acknowledge that you are out. I'm not having a go at Froy - it's entirely up to him whether he does this or not - but this is the way things are.

[quote] You are not out until you say so in a public context, after which mainstream media will acknowledge that you are out. I'm not having a go at Froy - it's entirely up to him whether he does this or not - but this is the way things are.

A number of mainstream media outlets have all run the story of them kissing, and acknowledging they are in a relationship. It may not include an actual label coming out of Froy's mouth (yet), but the media has formally acknowledged the fact that Froy is not straight. It's also an example how younger celebs are now coming out. Not everyone is doing the formal statement with a label thing anymore.

Zane is happy with and proud of the GAY label, unlike Froy.

Froy will make some statement to his fans because Froy likes to *get serious* sometimes. Much as I like him in spite of that. He’s acting way more open than he ever did, not just about gayness but just altogether. He’s acting like somebody on the rebound in the classic sense. More like someone who got dumped than who was the dump-er. Like “look at me I’m really living now!” But who knows?

R189

While I have absolute faith that the 'mainstream media outlets' that R187 mentions do actually exist, perhaps links to some of them might be useful, to help the more skeptically inclined DL-ers?

Actors who come out (or appear to) are newsworthy, even if nothing else about them is newsworthy or noteworthy. Granted this would not be newsworthy at all even if it was probably more shocking, back in the heyday of mainstream media, because gossip wasn’t considered news, then.

I wouldn’t mind seeing the proof, either.

R192

Exactly R187!

No R189 - Richard is the one acting like he got dumped looking like a sad sack.

No R186, 191, 192. Just Google Froy and Zane and there are a ton of results. Froy came out enough for everyone else except you. Oh well...In any case, he definitely is not "in" like pathetic Richard. Done arguing with you now (because you're tedious as fuck).

You guys do know you can google it in like 2 seconds - "Zane Phillips and Froy Gutierrez". C'mon now, y'all can't be that lazy...

R194 It’s a stretch to say a couple of photos where you think Richard looks like a “sad sack” mean he’s “the one acting like he got dumped”.

If Froy dumped someone who he went out with for 3 years and who seemingly housed him a lot of that time, and then went around with a new guy acting like he’s having the time of his life, to spite the other boyfriend, then he seems kind of like a heartless asshole, but then a lot of you seem to like that type.

[quote] If Froy dumped someone who he went out with for 3 years and who seemingly housed him a lot of that time, and then went around with a new guy acting like he’s having the time of his life, to spite the other boyfriend, then he seems kind of like a heartless asshole, but then a lot of you seem to like that type.

Or, the guy he was with wasn't the "Prince Charming" his fans think he is. And that no amount of money, fame, lifestyle, etc. was worth staying with that...especially when a new love allows you to live and love freely, and shocker, it actually feels good. Really good. Just a thought.

[quote]"Since he is a native of Scotland I asked him how he managed to pull off an American accent so effortlessly. It turns out that he spoke in an American accent for TWO YEARS STRAIGHT, even when he wasn't on the set.

[quote]"so sadly for my friends and familiy had to listen to me put on a silly voice evenings and weekends for a couple of years"

[quote]for TWO YEARS OF THEIR RELATIONSHIP Richard was practicing and staying in his American accent?!?

I just can’t accept that Froy is gay until I see Zane breeding him like a farm animal. Please send full video.

R183 Yes. Zane just seems to be unapologetically himself and it makes him even hotter.

[quote] I think Zane is fabulous and handsome and sexy. I like that he can be a big girleen and muscle Mary. His character on Glamorous cycled through different attitudes and identities and Zane seemed game for all of them. He seems more comfortable in his skin than Richard and Froy. THAT amount of body building does raise some questions but the answers might be acceptable. At least he's more honest than Richard and seems to like a good time and in no way is Zane a step down in looks. Might help Froy become more authentically whomever he is.

R183 THIS. Zane might be your typical Weho muscle mary queen, but there's no pretense about it. And the fact that he can go from Tom of Finland to Cowboy to fem to drag is kind of refreshing. Let's face it, you'd never see Madden go anywhere near such. He'd pass out in the corner in a fetal position. I think this nails it - "He seems more comfortable in his skin than Richard and Froy". Which is why I hope he has a positive effect on Froy (beyond the great sex)...as you said to "help Froy become more authentically whomever he is". I get a sense that's far more possible with someone like Zane than Richard.

Froy has no there there. By Christmas he'll likely be with, and mirroring, someone else.

R203 And that’s ok too. It’s nice to see Froy openly proud of being with a man and that is likely a major milestone in his life even if him and Zane don’t last.

R203 R204 Exactly. And he's young. Now is the time to get out there and have fun.

R204 Some of you sound like his mom.

I don’t think Froy is doing anything to spite Richard. They broke up, he’s living his life. I don’t know why Richard’s fans always want to see him as some kind of victim.

R207 I don’t. Know, either. I’m not one of Richard’s fans. Never heard of him before he was with Froy.

[quote]I’m not one of Richard’s fans.

R208 = Christina Crawford.

R209 I don’t get it.

R208, This short clip will explain it all for you.

So, considering the current strikes in the industry, its come to light how much an actor has to make and work to even qualify for union benefits, like healthcare, let alone they're just not paying actors any thing close to what they used to. So I'm wondering how to guys like Froy survive, who only work 1 project a year, and seemingly have no other day jobs. Even some actors who work far more regularly are saying how many other jobs they have to have these days, so, how do guys like Froy do it...?

R212, this has been answered already. His daddy has $$$. Froy does not need to work.

R213 Are 25 year olds whose dads have some money expected not to work? Why would his dad support him being a loafer? I don’t get this fanstasy.

Who knows? Ask his dad. Maybe, trust fund🤷‍♂️ No sweat off my back lol. I just like looking at him and gossiping about him and his latest BF.

[quote]No sweat off my back

Then what the fuck good are you?

sex tape, pls

[quote] this has been answered already. His daddy has $$$. Froy does not need to work

No, it hasn't been answered. I was the one who brought up the point that his father has money here awhile ago. If that was the actual answer, I wouldn't have posed the question. But we don't actually really know if his dad is actually paying his way. It's a convenient idea, based on internet gossip. As R214 pointed out, that narrative is more of a fan fantasy than what is most likely going on. And that question doesn't just refer to Froy, but a lot of younger actors around his age. They don't have the day jobs actors used to have to have years ago, so it's a fair question to ask, and perhaps someone with some actual intelligence could think of a reasonable answer.

Whatever, R218, I see 👀 where you are trying to steer this boat... If Froy being a call boy or kept boy instead floats your boat, fine. He is still hot. His boyfriend Zane is still hot and that is all I give AF about 😘🌈.

[quote] Whatever, [R218], I see 👀 where you are trying to steer this boat... If Froy being a call boy or kept boy instead floats your boat, fine.

You're quite good at misinterpreting everything. That wasn't where I was going with the question at all. I'm genuinely curious how a lot of these younger actors sustain their lifestyles these days. That's all. But interestingly enough, you are the one who took it there. (And for the record, multiple posters have been talking about 'kept boy' for years in these threads, so, you're late on that discussion anyway.)

[quote] He is still hot. His boyfriend Zane is still hot and that is all I give AF about

Yes, they are hot. And good for you. But the thread doesn't exist for what only you care about.

Nor you gentle r220.

I'm not afraid to say it. He's a sleeper cell controlled by George Soros, The Bilderberg Group and Mossad.

R221 I never said it did. I'm up for any discussion about Froy. I just posed a question for those that might be interested. If it's not for you, pay it no mind. Not that hard.

No R223, you got an answer you did not like and kept pushing your question and narrative.

R220 A lot has changed.

Not only do more actors start younger (in the ‘70s they often waited until they got an MA). They have arts high schools where they’re trained and where they’re scouted by agents. There are a lot of local acting classes for kids. They start as children. TV, modeling, commercials. They audition for things in LA by phone from home. A lot are on social media where they get a lot of followers and make money. Others come from social media where they’ve already made money.

Acting is a much more respectable living now where you can go to school for it and many kids going into it tend not to be outsiders or poor kids trying to get a break in life. It probably *is* easier for many of them financially and their families not only help, they sometimes move out with them and take care of them.

It’s not like once upon a time when there were only 3 networks and a few movie studios you had to crash, knocking on doors while the only way to make a living was a day job.

THEY ARE SUCKING, BUTTFUCKING, FELCHING, EATING MUSHROOMS, AND RECORDING IT FOR THEIR ALT TWITTERS AS WE TYPE!

You need to get out more.

sex tape, pls

Stop repeating yourself, pls

^ then produce the goods, cunt

[quote] No [R223], you got an answer you did not like and kept pushing your question and narrative.

Nope. No narrative here. Just a question.

And it wasn't an answer. It was just a piece of gossip that I actually already knew. Thanks though.

[quote] A lot has changed. Not only do more actors start younger (in the ‘70s they often waited until they got an MA). They have arts high schools where they’re trained and where they’re scouted by agents. There are a lot of local acting classes for kids. They start as children. TV, modeling, commercials. They audition for things in LA by phone from home. A lot are on social media where they get a lot of followers and make money. Others come from social media where they’ve already made money. Acting is a much more respectable living now where you can go to school for it and many kids going into it tend not to be outsiders or poor kids trying to get a break in life. It probably *is* easier for many of them financially and their families not only help, they sometimes move out with them and take care of them. It’s not like once upon a time when there were only 3 networks and a few movie studios you had to crash, knocking on doors while the only way to make a living was a day job.

R225 That makes a lot of sense. And thanks for the well written and kind response. Certainly for the ones who come from families who support them fully, as well as those that monetize social media and become "influencers", seem to have something to support them. Thing is, Froy came out by himself, and did the whole thing on his own (according to his own words). He worked fairly regularly until the last few years. And while certainly used social media very well in the beginning, he really no longer uses it like that anymore. That's why I was just wondering how he makes it now, considering a lot of actors (who actually work much more than him) are being very candid right now about how they can no longer live off of what they make now. Hence the strikes.

New Zane photoshoot - in a wrestling singlet -

That haircut is hideous, trying to disguise his receding hairline and failing.

New photoshoot of Zane for ODDA Magazine (Froy 'liked', of course) -

Froy's work basically stopped when he broke up with Madden.

Jesus how many photoshoots does Zane do a month? And who keeps publishing them when there are no magazines left?

Line dancing again on the Stud Country IG story.

R233 Isn’t that the tiktok haircut gazillions of guys have?

He might have a slight receding hairline, I don’t know. I don’t actually see his hairline, but anyway, if he does what do you want him to do about it? I have a receding hairline too, why do people bald-shame? If you want us not to be bald so bad, give us the money for the hair transplants, or shut the fuck up.

R237 Where? Can you post it? Just looked at their stories and didn't see anything with Froy.

You're all so insightful. Richard Madden is abusive, controlling, suffocating, a narcissist? He keeps it pretty hidden for one. Two people dated, and it worked for a while. Happens. Jeez!

Why are people so helpless

If Froy and Madden were so incompatible they never could have made it through three years - and some of that time they were in lockdown together, in various places.

Just curious (no bitchiness intended) but what do people get out of seeing multiple examples of Froy line dancing? When you’ve seen one you’ve see ‘em all, pretty much.

“No bitchiness intended” r243? May one inquire why you are here?

[quote] Why are people so helpless

Nobody is helpless. I saw that one. It has Zane, but no Froy. Thanks for posting though.

Froy is probably off to the side because a) he sucks at it and b) he’s probably sick of it already

They probably broke up. (Using DL logic if they aren't in the same pic).

Following that same logic, obviously Zane is to blame.

Zane was trying to control Froy and remold him.

R243 many people who populate such threads are STANS who live to follow certain celebrities and to know the weekly and even daily gossip by following bits and bobs on social media.

Maybe the line dancing is some sort of test to see how much Froy will take so Zane will know if it’s serious or not.

Froy will take over 9, so Zane can stop testing.

Watching that unwatchable 'Glamorous' on Netflix (I know...) Zane is stacked! Nice.

[quote] Just curious (no bitchiness intended) but what do people get out of seeing multiple examples of Froy line dancing? When you’ve seen one you’ve see ‘em all, pretty much.

Well, he doesn't use social media very often anymore, so if he pops up somewhere, it's natural for fans to want to see the person they're interested in. I mean, why is anyone in a thread if not for the subject matter probably being something that interests them? Also, maybe because he usually wears tight jeans, a wifebeater, and just looks really cute trying to dance... ;)

R244 Hey, excuse me but this isn't a meeting of the Froy Gutierrez fan club or a fan forum. I think some people - like you - forget that. This is Datalounge. I didn't think I was being too bitchy, but the motto of DL is "Gay Celebrity Gossip, Gay Politics, Gay News and Pointless Bitchery since 1995."

I was just truthfully saying all the line dancing stuff, often only seconds in length, is repetitive, to me. What R250 says is true, for sure. R254 you also have a point but I do feel "When you've seen it once you've seen it." The video of Froy hanging on Zane was interesting because it confirmed something. But just "Here they are at the club, dancing, here they are at the club again, dancing" is not interesting to *me*. Granted it may be to you. Sorry if I annoyed anyone.

Lots of posters on DL have OCD. For example we just finished a long thread that was the annual or bi-annual career overview of Sandra Bernhard. Nothing new was revealed. And yet, an OCD Twat felt the need to start ANOTHER Thread on Sandy this week. And the same crypt-dwelling old codgers are reposting the same old factoids.

over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over

Omg you participated in a Sandra Bernhardt thread?

And you admit it?

Zane went to picket

Froy did not go because it has been so long since he acted that he lost his insurance

^ Muscle Mary!

Good joke about Froy not working but he was in Hocus Pocus (apparently, blink and you'll miss him) very recently.

R260 True, but the strike has kind of brought to light how much an actor has to work to even qualify for union benefits, especially healthcare. Supposedly it's something like 26,470 a year to qualify. Does he even make enough with his 1 project a year thing?

What is the green thing in front with all the netting or is it part of the turtle?

Froy is a lead in The Strangers 3 (coming out in Dec). I am sure he earned more than 26K in the role.

It depends on a number of factors- the project budget, are they paying SAG scale rate or did your reps negotiate something higher for you, and how many days or weeks did you work on the project. It's possible he made enough on something like The Strangers, but HP2 and other things he worked on where he only had a few minutes of screentime are questionable. And it also remains to be seen how long he is even in the new film, and how long he worked on it. And then there's how much of what you makes goes to each of your reps.

R247 People stay in relationships that are not good for ages. Not suggesting that is the case for Richard and Froy. jJust odd of you to suggest length of relationship can tell us the state of a relationship.

A little Madden/Froy tea posted on DeuxMoi today (take with grain of salt) -

👆❓️Oh My -- who could it be? No surprise - good tea. However, he is not A-List. Maybe, B-list?

R265 Are you sure you were replying to R247? I think you meant me — R242. I said they were probably compatible, I didn’t say that made it a good relationship.

I didn’t follow their relationship closely. I remember that as soon as he was done with his TV show in Texas, Froy flew to London and had to be locked down, not many people were flying overseas then. He did that instead of going to the premiere of his movie. He posted a picture on Instagram saying he was happy. Not saying this made it a great relationship but it’s evidence he wanted to be in it. What’s the evidence it was not a great relationship, or he didn’t want to be in it? Tell me, I’d be interested.

I have a feeling that gay pride kiss really pissed Richard off (and Froy knew it would!)

R268 - The relationship is over and Froy looks a lot happier now!

Froy and Andrew Matarazzo at event tonight -

[quote]Froy and Andrew Matarazzo at event tonight.

Slut!

NEW Froy tonight at Givenchy event in LA -

R270 Relationships end. Of course people are not happy and break up. Doesn’t mean Froy was unhappy the entire relationship. Very unlikely.

Thar message looks no different from the sort of fanfic that gets posted here.

Froy’s arms are looking quite big in R273.

Another New Froy from the Givenchy event last night -

Froy pumped and drank protein shakes multiple times a day through 2 years of pandemic. Of course he's a stud muffin now.

[quote] Froy pumped and drank protein shakes multiple times a day through 2 years of pandemic. Of course he's a stud muffin now.

Actually, he just started working out more heavily at the start of this year. Previous couple of years he toned up but was still quite twinky. But then I reread your statement... LOL! Protein shakes and (ass) pumps ala Daddy Madden. Indeed.

Froy is Mexican. Maybe he will get a "KING" neck tattoo like Andrew Mariposa at r271.

Zane was picketing without Froy.

Froy was at the Givenchy event without Zane.

Ipso facto, they are done.

Froy needs to get his 👑 neck tattoo!

R281, I hope you're wrong (but wouldn't me!). They were attached at the hip and now? Either way, new pic guy is hot too!

*(but wouldn't SURPRISE me!)

Froy is and always has been a fashion disaster. Seem like a nice guy and he’s cute, but - what is he thinking?

Froy's moving on to hot tan Brazilian men now!

Love Froy's arms and hair. Looking good!

Why are people acting like Froy just met Andrew or that they’re dating?

This is the Datalounge, r287. Fantasy is all we have.

NEW Froy and Hunter Doohan at last night's Givenchy event in LA -

More of Froy from last night (stylists instagram) -

NEW Froy's own pics from last night's event -

Froy doy, froy doy!

I gave them till Christmas - looks like I was giving Froy too much credit.

Froy is a whore.

Richard wisely dumped him.

They spend one day apart and thats splitting up?

R287, R295 - 1 day apart and Froy's taking pics with hot guys. It might not mean anything (just pics with cute friends) or trouble is paradise 2.0 with rebound guy... Time will tell! DL loves to speculate (because gossip site and all that).

Froy and Zane aren’t married, chill.

R296. It was a glamour event for an upscale label.

Of course there are hot people everywhere.

Girl, really?

How do people get invited to such an event?

Be pretty, be an influencer, have money or sleep with the host.

R298, Yes girl, really. You are the one acting like a girl/frau lol. Zane is hot too. Why is he not there? Just gossiping on a gossip site. If they are still together = Hot, If not and new meat = still Hot. Chill😘

Because Froy is out on Insta stories but not at a big fashion event?

pic at r271 is SUPER facetuned.

👑.

Was this a muscle shirt corner of the event?

R214, Just because you don't get it, does not mean it does not exist at 25.

R306 I would say it’s possible and likely his parents loaned or gave him money when he was trying to make it. But he went to LA with a job, on Bella And he Bulldogs, which he auditioned for at home. Or so I remember reading in an interview. I don’t know what that job payed, but probably more that I was making at age 17. Whatever shows he did might have payed the rent for a while. It’s true he never seemed to live in a roach-infested cheap apartment or have to take public transportation.

Last nights event was an industry thing to promote the Givenchy brand. Maybe Zane's reps didn't get him an invite. Also, the Froy/Zane thing could be really serious or it could be just casual dating. Maybe it's monogamous, maybe it's not. It's probably a very different situation than the lockdown thing that had Froy and Madden attached at the hip 24/7. Who knows, maybe he's going for a different approach this time. Anyways, just because they don't attend every event or do every little thing together doesn't automatically equal breakup. If anything, it means they may be less codependent than Froy and Richard were, which is probably good.

Zane did just post this to his insta stories -

he has turned movie star handsome. now, let's pray he's had some more actor training.

More new pics and little vids of Froy last night -

His jawline seems almost unreal, I was looking at pictures of myself and some of my friends at @ 25, and even though we had no weight on us, we didn’t have razor sharp jawlines. Yet I see that a lot on instagram models and actors now. Wondering how so many do it since it’s usually something that will vary from person to person and not be so uniform. Also they all seem to have very chiseled facial features which you never really saw on people like that a decade or two ago.

Like if you look at old pics of Adam Brody or Ben McKenzie, or even Ashton Kutcher they don’t look chiseled out of stone.

"He already got bone structure. When I was his age I didn't have no bone structure. Took me years to get bone structure."

Something about Froy makes him resemble Teddy Ruxpin

coin slot or rosebud?

Can Froy afford his own place?

Is Froy supporting the writing and acting strikes?

He was the lead in Cruel Summer (2021) (10 episodes), narrated the audiobook, Here’s To Us (2021), had a role in Hocus Pocus 2 (2022), and he’s completed his role in The Strangers (not released yet). Before that most actors couldn’t work for a while due to the pandemic.

There are a lot of actors who don’t get that much work, yet y’all need to pretend he’s always unemployed and broke because you need to be bitches.

Did Richard pay Froy to keep quiet about their relationship, and that’s where his money comes from?

And yet, there's actors who work much more than him who are struggling, and making that known right now. That's why I think it's a fair question to ask. Shocker, but for some of us, there's no agenda or bitchiness intended. We're just genuinely curious. Also, as fans, we want to see him do well, and yes, he's done fairly well for himself.

R319 Can you just speak for yourself and not act like you have other people on your side against what I said?. I don’t mind replying to one person but who do you speak for with this “we” stuff? I honestly hate when people do that on forums. I was replying to the poster directly above me btw.

R320 is ludicrously defensive. I mean, it's a gossip site and forum.

Is there anyone or anything or any topic on the DL that could not fairly be described as ludicrous?

R321 I merely said could you not post as if you speak for a lot of other people? You don’t.

There are people on these threads who do make a point of saying Froy is poor, he never works, he lives off other people, they’re trolly, they aren’t interested in the truth if it interferes with their narrative.

[quote] Can you just speak for yourself and not act like you have other people on your side against what I said?. I don’t mind replying to one person but who do you speak for with this “we” stuff? I honestly hate when people do that on forums. I was replying to the poster directly above me btw.

I always speak for myself. I said "we" because I know this is a topic that has come up before over the years, and genuine fans have simply wondered about it (here and elsewhere). It would be nice to have a rational discussion about it without words being put in folks' mouths, or responding so defensively that it just shuts down the conversation. Not all of us have nefarious agendas here. It's a gossip forum. We're shootin' the shit. And shocker, some of us are genuine fans. It's all good boo.

I have a nefarious agenda!

R324 Omg no one is claiming you have a nefarious agenda, I was talking about people who shit-stir. Don’t tell me you’ve never noticed that in these threads. The original post was never addressed to people like you. But then you started defending yourself and nameless others. Please forget it.

Looking at Froy in the first post in this thread, my nefarious agenda is currently to plot a way to persuade him to let me take his clothes off.

R310 - can't view that page/private

Portrait in violet for you.

R329! Wow! How did you get that photo? Also, what bad ex leaked it? Thanks though! Froy has a beautiful penis.❤️

That pic and others were on DL three years ago, including ass shots.

Of course, we had deranged DL-ers like EDWlN who insisted Froy and Richard were just friends and that Froy sent the nudies to his girlfriends.

Any Zane frontal leaks?🙏

Did you see r329? It's one of the frontal leaks.

R329 is all Froy. No Zane there

Oh, Baldy? I didn't pay attention.

Don't care.

OOOH gurl 👀

Is Devin their next third?

R336

Zane doesn't give a lot of bulge in pics. I think were talking classic 6, at most. I think he is both sexy, and charming, and friendly, however.

Oh, love that rainbow at R336! Cool that Froy/Zane have friends etc. of different races and genders.

R336 - when was that pic taken?

r340 it looks recent. Devin is from Texas too

R339 How modern!

R342, it is not about being "modern" so much as a lot of celebs and hot gay men are surrounded by peers who look like them (example = lily white gay dance parties they attend). Just glad to see their social/friend circle expands outside that demographic. It makes me like them more!

Amazeballs. And I heard they have JEWISH and MUSLIM friends, as well? La Cerise sur le Gâteau.

[quote] Thing is, Froy came out by himself, and did the whole thing on his own (according to his own words). He worked fairly regularly until the last few years. And while certainly used social media very well in the beginning, he really no longer uses it like that anymore. That's why I was just wondering how he makes it now, considering a lot of actors (who actually work much more than him) are being very candid right now about how they can no longer live off of what they make now. Hence the strikes.

I don’t know what he said about doing the whole thing on his own. Also you never know, Froy might stretch the truth sometimes. Sometimes young actors and inflencers will post pictures of themselves somewhere, then some fan will post a pic from the mom’s account and there’s mom in a pic with them in the same place. Or how do they pay for a lot of recording sessions, songwriters and producers or whatever? Who absorbs the costs when all these actors make records and nobody ever hears the music? I think they pay up front, themselves, but how do they afford that?

I hate to tell folks but a rich parent paying for their adult kid’s bills so that they can pursue acting or some other form of artistry despite not making enough money from that pursuit to live off of…is not a unique or even rare story.

That having been said, Froy could also be making money off influencer sponsorships, paid appearances, etc. It’s very possible, for example, that this line dancing club is paying both he & Zane to attend. Which would also explain why people keep taking and posting videos of it.

I doubt Madden cut Froy a check, but I’m sure he also paid for most major expenses while they were together so that just meant he had even less need to work.

Hush money.

Isn't taking daily doses from massive Scottish dongage work?

What Froy makes from acting is probably more than I make in my 9 to 5 job. Acting in the film/TV industry pays absurdly well, regardless if they’re on strike. And under 26 you can still be on your parents’ insurance. He’s a single guy in his 20s, no kids or parents to support.

If these actors were all paid so absurdly well, they probably wouldn't be on strike. It doesn't align with what they've been very loudly saying recently...

[quote] I hate to tell folks but a rich parent paying for their adult kid’s bills so that they can pursue acting or some other form of artistry despite not making enough money from that pursuit to live off of…is not a unique or even rare story.

Oh it definitely happens. Especially now. Just not sure Froy's dad is that level of rich though. Possibly. On the other hand, we've never seen how he actually lives. Maybe his place is more modest than we'd realize. Maybe he has "roommates"...

[quote] That having been said, Froy could also be making money off influencer sponsorships, paid appearances, etc. It’s very possible, for example, that this line dancing club is paying both he & Zane to attend. Which would also explain why people keep taking and posting videos of it.

He has done influencer stuff before. Not a lot, but some. There was an online music game way back, and then there was the Fenty facial thing and the Fendi campaign during the Madden years (which Brandon also did when he was with him), and I think the recent stuff this year is him getting in on the young Hollywood appearances at fashion/publication events where they wear/promote the designer brands and get press. I hope he does more of that kind of stuff. It gets his face out there, and we get to finally see him. That's what was sorely lacking during the Madden years.

I do the think the line dancing is just a thing they genuinely enjoy. They don't promote it on either of their instagrams, and the main Stud Country page never uses them for promo either. It's just fans that look at the stories and find them in footage on occasion.

[quote] I doubt Madden cut Froy a check, but I’m sure he also paid for most major expenses while they were together so that just meant he had even less need to work.

Oh Madden was definitely footing the bill all those years.

Where is the first kiss photo?

Is there an archive of Froy coming out?

R352 The first kiss from Froy and Zane? It was this official press photo from Gitano Pride event in NYC on June 25 -

Thanks, r353! I didn’t want to search through the thread.

Wow! A whole month of being OUT for Froy!

R354 More pics here -

Is’t Stud Country just something the club (Club Bahia) hosts? I doubt the club would pay anyone to go to Stud Country night at latin Club Bahia.

*Isn’t

just call them Frozane, or Zanoy.

Frozane —much better.

frozaney

FroZan

[quote] Is’t Stud Country just something the club (Club Bahia) hosts? I doubt the club would pay anyone to go to Stud Country night at latin Club Bahia.

R356 Yes. Club Bahia is the physical space (the club). It hosts the "Stud Country" Queer Line Dancing nights on Mondays and Thursdays. There's also nights in San Francisco and NYC each week too. I think promo is done just through the Stud Country instagram page and word of mouth.

NEW from Froy's instagram stories tonight (Froy dancing in wifebeater and overalls) -

Couple name had to be Frane. Or Zoy

*has to be

Zoyne

Yay Froy at #363 - Looking Sexy!👢

He is so handsome and built there. Yowee!

That smile - Froy is aging very well! He gets more handsome (less twinkley) with age. His parents still look good, so it is genetic :-)

Aging? He's 25!

YASSS baby, is that all the Texas gurls do all day? Line dance at the HOE down? What a charmed life! 🤠

FagZone!

Adorable!

Minority opinion, I hate that one-strap-up while wearing overalls look. In fact I hate overalls. Froy is going to start looking like a country-gay clone.

[quote] Froy is going to start looking like a country-gay clone.

Start? LOL

R375 Well, come on, he was wearing black mesh shirts just a few weeks ago.

More line dancing from monday night -

Well, we know Froy is a personality-free chameleon who morphs into whatever his current interest is like.

Any cock pics?

R379 - whose? Froy's are at R329. None of Zane's so far😔

Froy looked good in that link and honestly if you look closely there are dorkier dancers than him there.

new froy story.

zane is getting a nip feel in.

R382 From Froy's insta story last night (acknowledging Zane) -

Aww! The ❤️ is cute!

Will the mainstream celebrity media, which covers up all closet cases, ever have the guts to link Froy now being out with Richard, whom he lived with and traveled the world with FOR THREE YEARS?

Zane all hawt and sweaty after demolishing Froy's bussy

R386

Froy is the top.

R388

R388, They are probably vers!

R385, No, they are respecting Richard's locked closet. And that's fine. Just because Froy is out with Zane, that is no reason to shove Richard out before he is ready.

[quote] Froy is the top.

You must be new.

New Froy today -

Filters galore.

I think the sex between Zane and Froy is probably scorching. A step up from Richard who just doesn’t have much of a sex vibe.

R394, no filters needed though! Froy is gorgeous either way - evident by videos above.

evident IN videos...

his mussy is probably worn out.

at least still throbbing.

only eating quinoa and kiwi.

WTF is a "mussy"?! I hate bitch-ass terms like that! Just say "ass" please. Nothing m/pussy-related there folks!

idgas what you think about anything.

and then liking your own post...weak!

R402 = bitchy queen.

R385 What do you mean by mainstream celeb media? Do they ever cover Froy? Wouldn’t Froy have to come out officially? And then why would they cover a relationship that’s over?

R400 =

“Marvel Hunk Madden Fuming With Jealousy As Former Boy Toy Flaunts New Flame!”

Former Froy Toy.

Didn't Froy just repost someone else's insta story who already had put the heart under the photo?

i. e. @kanoagooz

R408 I believe Froy added the heart in his story.

They've both done it recently -

R410 Yeah, probably.

R385 Mainstream media (the New York Times) already tried to out Richard when he was living with Brandon Flynn who was already openly out. The reporter asked him directly, he refused to answer the question. Didn’t deny it…just said he never talks about who he’s dating., Unless they plant a camera in his bedroom, what can they do? They can’t force him to confirm it. And his exes aren’t confirming it either because they don’t want to or because they have signed NDAs.

I just came across this on YouTube. Zane Phillips is such a queen.

I can see the problem for Froy dating Richard but at least he was presentably masculine, and better looking than Phillips (like way better looking).

R413: Disagree with the "way better looking" part. Zane looks like he's fun and sexy AF! Obviously, Froy thinks so too! BTW - I love the video. Thanks for sharing!

R385 As said above, the mainstream media probably can't, or at least won't, go there because it would get them in trouble for outing Richard. I suppose they could hint at it, but that's as far as it could go. JustJared, which is mostly just a silly online celeb blog, and probably doesn't really qualify for top level mainstream press, is the only one that mentioned Froy being with Richard at the end of their article -

"During the pandemic, Froy was seen spending a lot of time with Game of Thrones actor Richard Madden. "

R413 poor you. Is must be SOOOOOO trying making your way through daily life with all the ugly nelly openly gay queens insulting your fierce sense of manhood.

Awww

THICK 😜

R417 Hawt! To be a fly on their wall!!!

R417 They are hot. And seem very happy. Good for them.

R417 They are having a hot simmer. Look at them.

Froy gives of total bottom energy

What do his words mean?

Froy and Zane in swim trunks and speedos -

cheesin real big on da inside -

cheesing - winning through low skill or game exploits. What does this mean? Froy wins Zane's heart using his supple hole as a simple & easy exploit?

Yes, nothing says true love like endless insta pictures.

Zane has one hell of a hot body. You can tell he’d be an incredible fuck. Unlike Richard.

At age 30, you'd think Zane would have an adult haircut by now.

[quote] Yes, nothing says true love like endless insta pictures.

At least we get to see them. And they get out and have fun. Better than being locked away and never showing your face.

meow! lolz

R424 meet R417

[quote] [R424] meet [R417]

Thanks. I'm aware. I didn't see that post until after i had posted.

Why is R417 Trolled? I read through his previous posts and he doesn't seem like a troll at all...

R433, you have to be in all of that troll’s threads to see all of his posts.

He starts dozens of threads every day and is a HUGE racist.

But you can keep defending him if you want.

R434, Don't blocking him reveal all his threads/posts in my ignored poster list? I did that out of curiosity and did not see what you're describing. Oh well...🤷‍♂️

You have to have been in that thread previously to see it when you block him and then check Ignore. You don’t just automatically see every vile thing he’s posted.

Are they broken up?

I miss them!

And it’s #RIPNova as it is looking like 25-year half Mexican actor Froy Gutierrez will be playing the woke version of Nova in the MCU, Sam Alexander.

Eagle-eyed fans spotted listings on IMDB for an untitled Nova project where assistants for actors are listed including Supernatural star Jared Padalecki who is rumored to be playing Richard Rider Nova.

How is it woke if no one would be able to tell he's half Mexican just by looking at him?

How does he get cast in all these things?

Have you seen those lips, r441?

he actually does have the nose and eye color. his hair is naturally darker.

i have no idea why marvel would look at him...ummm...'chard...maybe?

I said the relationship with RM would give him a higher profile in the business and make him look more like a serious player.

All what things, R441? His resume is miniscule and slipping back since his RM days.

He was on Rent Men?

[quote] I said the relationship with RM would give him a higher profile in the business and make him look more like a serious player.

How does being a sugar baby/boy toy for a oh-so-obvious closet queen make someone a more "serious player" in the business? Why would casting directors, producers, directors, etc. care about an average twink actor just because he was fucking a B+ list actor on the DL? It's not like that man's own career is firing on all cylinders either...

ummm...it's not what you know but who you know, dumbfuck-retard?

"Two newcomers to the MCU are also listed with Janet Montgomery who is known for Black Swan, and Froy Gutierrez who is a 25-year-old gay half-Mexican actor known for Teen Wolf and Disney’s Hocus Pocus 2."

[quote] ummm...it's not what you know but who you know, dumbfuck-retard?

That's awfully rich to be name-calling when you happen to be the insane travel troll who spent years making up shit about "F" and "R", and sane folks here had to constantly correct you. Nice try though.

correct info, mind you. told you was in spain with r on location before the boat pics came out the next day.

what amazes me is that f has an assistant!

correct info, mind you. told you was in spain with r on location before the boat pics came out the next day.

what amazes me is that f has an assistant!

They haven't been to that line dance thing for a while.

I'm concerned.

The assistant spreads his ass cheeks for the dick as it enters Froy

*spreads Froy’s cheeks

btw, r has cleared his profile and the heading is "0," a zero. no shit.

f is still there and i do have andrew m's. and guess who were the same miles away a week or so ago?

[quote] correct info, mind you. told you was in spain with r on location before the boat pics came out the next day.

No. Your "info" was never correct. It was always made up, and we constantly corrected you...hence being called the "travel troll". And no, the boat pics came out before your silly remarks, let alone we all knew he was there from the video of them boarding a private jet with the cast to start filming in Spain. We already all knew.

[quote] what amazes me is that f has an assistant!

The assistant is hired by and for the production specifically in this case. Froy is not high profile, nor rich, enough to have a full-time assistant on retainer.

[quote] btw, r has cleared his profile and the heading is "0," a zero. no shit.

If you're speaking of instagram, again, you're wrong. Richard's profile hasn't changed at all - 302 posts, 388 following (as always) -

believe what you will. i know what i know.

find the posts and confirm your claim.

i have no need to.

believe what you will. i know what i know.

find the posts and confirm your claim.

i have no need to.

believe what you will. i know what i know.

find the posts and confirm your claim.

i have no need to.

mary!

i am not talking insta.

dumb cunt!

Somebody needs to take their medication.

yawn...

Is Travel Troll also the troll who said that Froy was really straight and that he and Richard shared women, never touching each other?

[quote]Somebody needs to take their medication.

Or give it to me.

R447 Let me give you a hint. One was more famous and accomplished than the other, and that one wasn’t Froy.

Technically, neither is that famous—much less accomplished.

It’s almost as if people here don’t understand how climbing the ladder works. You don’t start at the top of the ladder.

R468 Richard was in several plays including working for the Royal Shakespeare Company; he was in Cinderella, Rocketman, and several other movies. He won a Golden Globe for starring in Bodyguard. He was named one of the 100 most influential people by Time, he was on Game Of Thrones, Eternals, Citadel, how is he not more accomplished than Froy?

Froy shoots forceful huge thick loads that taste like tres leches.

R470 that’s not what I wrote….read carefully.

…and your list…is not one of a much real accomplishment.

Oy Vey, just want hot FroyZane pics already! The constant bickering is a tiresome buzzkill.

[quote]…and your list…is not one of a much real accomplishment.

…and your list?

sex tape pls

R474 all of it right over his head

How to these guys pay their bills? I barely see them in anything and the strike is on. Are they selling bussy? Selling houses like Billy Porter?

hooking

rugs?

R473 You’re welcome to provide pics.

That wasn’t my reply, R476

Yes it was. You said “and your list…”. Which means the post you made a comment about when over your head.

Give it up ☮️

I am r474, r482.

I am most definitely NOT r470 / r481.

Bye!

Fuck it - I miss Troll 6071! At least he had meaningful info/discussions to contribute to these Froy threads.

R482 No, you assumed I posted that, when I didn’t.

Froy didn’t get a mention on JustJared in 4 years (since Teen Wolf) until he moved in with Richard. I can’t believe I have to explain this. You all forget just how obscure he was becoming until he made some new headlines with the speculation about him and Richard. Even if it’s mainly online gossip, being talked about raises an actor’s profile, and people in the business are no different from us, they don’t live in another universe.

We prob have a distorted view of Froy because he was more frequently discussed on DL (and other gay spaces like LPSG and malegeneral) than in the wider world. I think he was a feature of “Who Will Come Out” threads, Teen Wolf threads, and general twink actor admiration threads for several years before his appearance with Richard. And he was such a delicious twink back then. Now that he’s basically out, it’s exciting to think that he was probably fingering his hot little fart box back in the day, dreaming of daddy dick.

He used to be doughy but now he looks fit and fuckable.

They are really loved up on IG

Froy and Zane on the beach in Cancun, Mexico (from Zane's official instagram feed) -

good for froy.

good for froy.

Froy is now circulating in gay scenes and saw that he needs to step up his body game. Zane is showing him how.

Froy learned from his gay twink forefathers like Colton Haynes what NOT to do when coming out

R491 Thank You! Love them!

Fug pig

brandon, get over it, the hump.

like you had to do with sam.

[quote] Froy learned from his gay twink forefathers like Colton Haynes what NOT to do when coming out

R496 What not to do...? What was that exactly? (I've totally forgotten by now).

R458 - stop talking about yourself!😂

That's for R498!👆👆

lollerskates!

I’d be satisfied just watching them have sex.

I'm happy for them both but Miss Froy needs to work on those old man legs.

Froy's legs are cute like the rest of him!

[quote]Wait big dick?You are right, but I understand Richard once you come out they type cast you prevent you from growing in hollywood. Its honestly crazy. Froy's current boyfriend might be the most handsome blonde man I have seen in Hollywood but he is only given "gay" roles.

chicken legs

I love you queens complaining about Froys legs. Chicken or not, I’d love them on my shoulders!

[quote] Chicken or not, I’d love them on my shoulders!

He is a top.

[quote] Froy's current boyfriend might be the most handsome blonde man I have seen in Hollywood but he is only given "gay" roles.

Look, even when he's in gay movies like "Fire Island", he gets cast as the villain. Casting directors, they know.

[quote] He is a top.

Get some Windex.

If he's a top, I'm Sophia Loren.

R511 Zane is super hero material.. He has the whole look down but no luck because he’s gay. Meanwhile the most bland, forgettable dudes land these roles because they are seen as hetero. Its sad

Zane is super hot! Even the name…

Wonder if people thought Zane Grey was hot because of his name.

NEW Froy and Zane photo -

Nice to see new fresh love.

I’d like to see more of it…much more…

Meh. I really don't need to see all the bits and bobs. They aren't porn stars or Only Fans entrepreneurs.

Then keep it movin' sour grapes R520. I love all their bits, bobs, Instas, tweets/X etc, and not alone!❤️

Froy seems smitten and gleeful. Definitely didn’t see such overt joy when he was with Richard.

^ well he's getting his bussy demolished

you'd be happy, too

FroyZane are having a great summer!

Can one demolish a bussy with 6 inches?

Who is the girl in r517? Nico seems very good friends now with Zane and Froy.

[quote]They aren't porn stars or Only Fans entrepreneurs.

That's what makes them so likeable.

[quote]I really don't need to see all the bits and bobs. They aren't porn stars or Only Fans entrepreneurs.

Welp when the checks stop coming in....they dont work

If Froy is really a bottom, what a waste of cock.

very smart of them to capitalize on it though. genuine or not, good pr move.

weho, brah, hot, gay, celeb couple

Trust me, Froy is not a total bottom. Clearly he does a bit of everything.

R52& wasn’t Zane just recently in a Netflix series?

and that means multiple bareback creampies!

R531 - Yep, Zane too! Those boys are vers.

Bump

[quote] Who is the girl in [R517]? Nico seems very good friends now with Zane and Froy.

R526 Oh, that's their friend Paloma. She was in the West Side Story remake. She's a long-time best friend of Nico's. I think Nico started following Froy a couple years ago, and they got closer this year. I think he's also known Zane for a good while too. So, they all go to the queer-line dancing thing.

Nice to see Froy out and about with gay/bi/queer friends around his own age. Quite a stark difference from the previous few years.

Who are his “bi/queer friends?”

Or are you making that up?

It's clear as day if you take a look at Froy's recent instagram followings since the beginning of this year. As well as who he has been hanging out with consistently since the beginning of the year. And all the gay spaces he's been seen in. Along with all the primarily gay/bi men Zane has been introducing him to from his own social circle. All of which has been discussed by fans on the various gossip boards, including here. Really, it's not hard to figure any of this out.

I used to have a (female) friend named Froilan, she was my mother's age. And then she died. 😭

True story. Ok, carry on!

all froys die!!!

sob...

Are any of these guys participating in the strikes? I’m asking because I saw Johnny Berchtold posted a picture of himself on the picket line today. Around their age and I think he knows or follows Froy (he was in Dog Gone with Rob Lowe recently). Anyhow it made me curious.

R541 Yes. Zane (and I'm assuming Froy) have been out on the streets striking when in LA. Zane took a pic with some friends/former co-stars out on the line and posted on his insta stories. Froy hasn't been pictured, but I'm assuming he was probably out there with him given that they are usually together.

R542 Wouldn’t he have posted a picture with Froy if Froy was there?

R543 Maybe, but not necessarily. Just because two people are together doesn't necessarily mean they're going to both be in every photo they ever take. And maybe Froy was the one who take that photo...? Who knows.

R544 Yeah I guess I just wouldn’t have assumed Froy was there, myself, without any proof. But thanks for the answer and the photo.

passive/aggressive commas...nice.

R546 Froy threads are always so argumentative. If that was directed at my post I wasn’t being passive-aggressive I was just saying I came to a different conclusion. I was sincerely thankful for the answer and the picture. That’s why I asked if Froy or Zane were picketing. I wanted to know. I just think if Froy was there we’d see a picture since wherever Froy is he’s not usually camera-shy.

[quote] I just think if Froy was there we’d see a picture since wherever Froy is he’s not usually camera-shy.

Yeah, that would have been true several years ago, pre-2020. Since then, he's been far more camera-shy (unfortunately). A bit less since he started seeing Zane (thank god). But even then, a lot of the pics and videos that we've had of him this year are from Zane, or his friends, or friends of friends, or folks who just attend the line-dancing. Little of it has come directly from him. As for picketing, I just kind of assume it's a likely possibility considering they're boyfriends, and seem to do everything together now. Maybe when they come back from their vacation, they'll be out there...?

Froy and Zane last night at a club pic 1 -

A lot of the younger actors and influencers I follow seem to be on vacation during the strike.

Froy and Zane at the club pic 2 -

The sky was so red that day, r551!

Thanks for the pics! I am loving the trouple vibes😊

throuple!👨‍🦱👨‍🦱👨‍🦱

They just got back to LA on the red eye flight.

Why do I feel like FroyZane (or a friend or associate of theirs) posts here? (Which is great! Thanks for the scoops!😀)

Who’s the handsome dark haired guy in r351 pic?

Probably Froy’s next boyfriend.

The guy pictured with them is an actor that was in the Netflix show Glamorous with Zane.

It’s Michael Hsu Rosen 🥰

Does Froy actually have any friends of his own, or does he just glom onto his latest boyfriend's circle? He seems a total Ripley.

[quote] They just got back to LA on the red eye flight.

R555 Just curious, how do you know that? Did they get spotted by someone on social media? Did they put something up on insta?

R562, or they know actually them?

R562 It was a joke because the pictures are red. :/

I think Richard is/was hotter than Zane but the closet kills...

I think Richard and Zane would both be considered hotter than Froy, but people are much more interested in Froy.

Richard and Zane are both very good looking but to me Zane being unapologetically out adds that sexiness and glow that comes from living your life openly. Also his body is 🥵 .

R564 Oh, I get it now. 😂 Thanks!

Froy and Brandon Flynn are once again following each other on instagram.

Zane and Devin Way twirling at the gay HOE-down. Devin is sexy, they probably do 3somes

Make that a fourgy with Nico Greetham who hangs out with these guys too.

Did Froy and Hunter ever re-follow each other? Didn’t they even cut each other’s pictures out of their Instagrams?

R572 Froy and Hunter never re-followed. And yes, they did pretty much cut each other out of their respective instagram feeds. Fanpages have all the pics and vids though. I think there were more hurt feelings on Hunter's part, considering he alluded to Froy as the one who cheated (this is well before Madden though).

Is there a new thread? 'Cause this one's dead.

R574 I think it's dead because they've basically been really quiet since they posted the Mexico beach pics and the NYC club pics. Nothing more since then. And they haven't been back at line dancing either. And this is their only thread right now. Since it's coming up on nearly 600 posts, I can start a new one soon if you like. Maybe when they post something new...

R575 they are in the honeymoon phase. They are likely in their own world and not spending much time outside their bubble. Hopefully their friends who get to hang out with them post them once in while.

R576 True. They're also really social, and are out and about a lot, especially in clubs. Most of the stuff we've gotten has been from friends too.

I’ve said this before, but, now what? Now that we’ve seen them together, now that Froy has publicly kissed a guy, and posed in a bathing suit with him, with his head on his shoulder...the content just becomes repetitive. I dion’t necessarily need to see 100 more videos of Froy and Zane at the club, doing virtually the same dance every time. It becomes a question of “Can you top this?”

I want to see it keep happening since FROY HAS NOT EVEN COME OUT OF THE CLOSET.

I'm waiting for him to beard up with a female once he starts getting roles again.

R579 Then he could only claim to be at most bi.

The Proof Is Out There.

R578, some obsessed person is going to keep posting the same content for the next 10 years until Froy comes out…or gets fat.

R581

Ok. If some of you are so bored, and don't care anymore, well, you don't have to visit the thread. I mean, no one's forcing you. Leave it to the folks who want to see what they're up to, or who want to have some fun gossiping. It's not about 'one-upping' themselves with everything they do...it's just about living. When they show up somewhere, some of us just want to see their pretty little faces. Or their hot bodies. Pretty simple, really. Some of y'all way over-complicate this shit.

Exactly R583!

Froy's new instagram profile pic -

This happy couple should hook up with the hairstylist and the reconstructed face actor, Chris and Lukas. Chris can teach them all his zaddy techniques.

Tampa surge is receding . This is worrisome . What’s to come

NEW Froy photoshoot today -

[quote] Froy froy froy froy froyyyyyy

Zane is very eloquent

Too red.

Zane's response -

I love that they are so about how much they are into each other. I just wish they would show Zane going into Froy.

^ sumbuddy's bussy is TORE UP

Zane just did, r592.

ru a 'tard?

R594, I think R592 meant a sex video😀

R583 Okay, I’ll leave he thread. I usually just post what I’m feeling at the moment. I’m sorry it bothered you that much. You’ll miss me when I’m gone. Ha ha. Enjoy the one-sentence posts about how Zane is gonna tear up Froy’s bussy.

Froy living his best life after years of not being claimed publicly by Richard Madden. Love to see it.

@BeyhiveDexter · 9h zane phillips and froy guiterrez at Beyoncé show last night ♥️

They BeyFans Love it and them!❤️❤️

[quote]@BeyhiveDexter · 9h zane phillips and froy guiterrez at Beyoncé show last night

X is such a catchy new name for Twitter!

We have a new thread right here (with the concert post) -