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James Cameron blasts hunt for Titanic sub as 'prolonged nightmarish charade'

Titanic director James Cameron said he predicted Titan's implosion days before the debris from the missing submersible was found, calling the search a 'prolonged nightmarish charade'.

But officials say the men were likely to have died on Sunday – before military planes using sonar buoys detected what they thought could have been SOS 'banging' sounds in the water. The US Navy said they heard a sound consistent with an implosion after communications were lost around two hours into their journey. The Navy passed on that information to the Coast Guard, an insider said.

Mr Cameron told BBC News that the search 'felt like a prolonged and nightmarish charade where people are running around talking about banging noises and talking about oxygen and all this other stuff'.

'I knew that sub was sitting exactly underneath its last known depth and position. That's exactly where they found it,' he said.

Mr Cameron said: 'I felt in my bones what had happened. I immediately got on the phone to some of my contacts in the deep submersible community. Within about an hour I had the following facts. They were on descent. They were at 3500 metres, heading for the bottom at 3800 metres.

'For the sub's electronics to fail and its communication system to fail, and its tracking transponder to fail simultaneously – sub's gone

'The implosion would have generated a significant, broadband sound that the sonar buoys would have picked up,' explained Rear Admiral John Mauger of the US Coast Guard at a press conference.

A Canadian Navy ship carrying medics specialising in treating health issues relating to deep-sea diving arrived on the scene this morning on the HMCS Glace Bay. They also brought a hyperbaric chamber – which can be used for decompressing divers after they return to the surface.

Above the wreck was flotilla of at least ten ships, two robot subs and several aircraft scanning the Atlantic for any sign of Titan as sonar continued to hear a banging noise from the depths. A Royal Navy submariner, as well as equipment from a British company, was also sent to assist in the search.

As recently as Wednesday afternoon, Coast Guard response coordinator Captain Jamie Frederick for First Coast Guard District said: 'This is a search and rescue mission, 100 per cent.'

The U.S. Navy likely heard the sound of the Titanic tourist submersible imploding shortly after it was reported missing, according to a report - and yet still a massive international rescue effort was launched hoping to find survivors alive.

The Navy maintains an acoustic detection system around its coast for early detection of enemy submarines, and has done since the 1950s.

The U.S. Navy conducted an analysis of acoustic data and detected an anomaly consistent with an implosion or explosion in the general vicinity of where the Titan submersible was operating when communications were lost,' a senior U.S. Navy official told The Wall Street Journal in a statement.

'While not definitive, this information was immediately shared with the Incident Commander to assist with the ongoing search and rescue mission.'

The sound was detected in an area where the debris from the sub was located on Thursday. Hours after the debris was found, officials noted the five people on board were presumed dead in an implosion.

The implosion was not detected by sonar buoys used by search crews, he said, which suggests it happened before they arrived - and was indeed heard by the U.S. Navy.

'We had listening devices in the water throughout and did not hear any signs of catastrophic failure from those,' said Mauger.

'The implosion would have generated a significant, broadband sound that the sonar buoys would have picked up.'

It is not known why the U.S. Navy did not make the information about the likely implosion known. It is also not known if they informed the families or rescue crews of their analysis.

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by Anonymousreply 121July 1, 2023 11:39 AM

He's right.

by Anonymousreply 1June 23, 2023 11:10 AM

He was spot on. He's very well-educated and experienced in the whole situation. He's a deep sea expert and discovered 3 new species apparently. Very impressive man.

by Anonymousreply 2June 23, 2023 11:11 AM

He was asked by Rush to go on the Titan:

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by Anonymousreply 3June 24, 2023 2:27 AM

He’s right.

by Anonymousreply 4June 24, 2023 2:36 AM

He really needs to STFU.

by Anonymousreply 5June 24, 2023 2:48 AM

If he had class, he would keep this opinion to himself for now.

by Anonymousreply 6June 24, 2023 2:56 AM

I've been thinking the same as R6. A little of James Cameron goes a long way. Yes he's an expert but it's in poor taste to keep going on and on about why the dead side was wrong. He made his point, should kept it short and to the point, and elaborated later, like after the funeral. You know, beating a dead horse and all.

by Anonymousreply 7June 24, 2023 3:04 AM

"Please sir, do not build a deep ocean submersible out of Tupperware and paper maché! I have consulted top experts and I'm telling you ..."

by Anonymousreply 8June 24, 2023 3:06 AM

[quote] He really needs to STFU.

How 𝙙𝙖𝙧𝙚 Cameron not immediately praise the government's honesty ! He's a traitor !

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by Anonymousreply 9June 24, 2023 3:08 AM

[quote] If he had class, he would keep this opinion to himself for now.

Why should he? Prolonged, nightmarish, and *expensive*. How many hours did the Coast Guard spend on this futile mission, searching for this janky-looking vessel?

by Anonymousreply 10June 24, 2023 3:09 AM

R10 Being strongly vocal BEFORE the accident might have actually been useful.

by Anonymousreply 11June 24, 2023 3:10 AM

How was it “nightmarish”? Yes, it was prolonged and expensive, and ultimately fruitless, but how is a search and rescue mission nightmarish? Going through the remains of a jumbo jet crash, looking for signs of life among the carnage is nightmarish, not sure how this is the same. I don’t believe any rescuers were injured in the search and rescue mission.

And what more does Cameron want other than to be right? There’s a scale of empathy in these undertakings, Cameron and the US Coast Guard are obviously at different ends of that scale. If my loved ones were on that device, I’d want search and rescue undertaken no matter what a so called “expert” thought happened.

If they had not found the debris when they did, this would have surely become a recovery mission at the point when the oxygen would have obviously been depleted.

by Anonymousreply 12June 24, 2023 3:20 AM

While he’s right, there’s something quite tasteless about the film director of Titanic repeatedly going on about it.

He has a knack of making it more about him than the people who died.

by Anonymousreply 13June 24, 2023 3:42 AM

“Come on guys this isn’t funny!”

by Anonymousreply 14June 24, 2023 3:50 AM

Nightmarish because it gave the victims families false hope.

by Anonymousreply 15June 24, 2023 4:04 AM

[Quote]Mr Cameron said: 'I felt in my bones what had happened.

James Cameron IS Nostradamus!

by Anonymousreply 16June 24, 2023 4:10 AM

Did Cameron have the courtesy to at least bid them all bye bye?

by Anonymousreply 17June 24, 2023 4:11 AM

[quote]How was it “nightmarish”? Yes, it was prolonged and expensive, and ultimately fruitless, but how is a search and rescue mission nightmarish.

It was nightmarish in that they were thought to be trapped in a cramped capsule for days, in pitch darkness, shitting on themselves, surrounded by the purging corpses of the dead, waiting to die themselves. Those are the pictures that ran through the public consciousness as the oxygen countdown commenced.

by Anonymousreply 18June 24, 2023 4:34 AM

Everything Cameron said was 100% spot on.

by Anonymousreply 19June 24, 2023 5:18 AM

I wasn’t offended by anything he said, but thought his team Jersey was an odd choice for the situation.

by Anonymousreply 20June 24, 2023 5:33 AM

What the fuck does he really know? He's a movie director, not an engineer. I wish he'd go away already.

by Anonymousreply 21June 24, 2023 5:38 AM

R21 - you're a bona fide fucking idiot.

Cameron is a deep sea exploration [bold]expert[/bold]. He is a pioneer explorer and has had a fascination with deep water and shipwrecks since he was a small child. He is highly educated, knowledgeable and has actual hands-on experience. Cameron was the first human to visit the deepest area of the Mariana Trench - alone. He has contributed to advancements in underwater filming and remotely operated vehicles. He has also discovered several new underwater species - at least 3 new species.

So you know... THAT'S what the fuck he knows. He's is a genuine expert.

We all wish you'd go away already.

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by Anonymousreply 22June 24, 2023 6:15 AM

"If he had class, he would keep this opinion to himself for now."

I disagree, R6, even though I agree that a little of Cameron goes a long way.

He is a world-class expert on diving the Titanic wreck and an expert deep-sea diver, and he's responsible for popularizing the damn wreck in the first place. Plus, he has the ear of the world media when other deep-sea experts do not, so what he says now will hopefully prevent other shady operators from charging fortunes to get Titanic buffs onto another fucking deathtrap. Or he might prevent other Titanic buffs from paying for such trips, because he's also got to be a huge name in the Titanic Nerd community.

by Anonymousreply 23June 24, 2023 6:47 AM

By the way R21 - Cameron also invented his own deep sea sub and has been to the Titanic wreck 33 times so far.

He is an expert.

by Anonymousreply 24June 24, 2023 6:50 AM

Cameron may be a brilliant explorer of realms unknown, but DAMN…. he really needs to see a dentist.

by Anonymousreply 25June 24, 2023 7:01 AM

Ugh, what is the morbid fascination with this tragedy? We already have umpteen photos, video, documentaries... Why would you need to go down to the bottom of the ocean to see for yourself?

by Anonymousreply 26June 24, 2023 7:01 AM

I have no fucking idea, R26, I wouldn't cross the street to see a free exhibit of Titanic stuff!

But Cameron has to be a top expert on the morbid subject after 33 dives down to the damn thing. Okay, I watched "Ghosts of the Abyss", the documentary about him taking Bill Pullman to dive there in 2001 (on youtube for $3). Cameron spent a lot of the time at the bottom piloting an ROV, and as he steered the little robot through the muck-bedecked wreck, he knew everything about every damn room! They all looked alike, dark and fringed with algae, and he knew where the captain's quarters were, and where each stateroom was, and who'd been in that stateroom and what happened to them during and after the wreck... it's a hell of a weird hobby, but I'm a birdwatcher so I don't get to talk. Much.

by Anonymousreply 27June 24, 2023 7:55 AM

[quote]Mr Cameron said: 'I felt in my bones what had happened.

That's nothing, I felt it in my waters.

by Anonymousreply 28June 24, 2023 8:01 AM

The only one I feel sorry for is the 19-year old teenage boy who got persuaded by his father to go along for a Father's Day excursion. All the adults knew what they were getting into.

by Anonymousreply 29June 24, 2023 8:08 AM

R22 He's still a cunt capitalising on a tragedy to make it about him.

by Anonymousreply 30June 24, 2023 8:31 AM

R6 Cameron has been/is being actively solicited for interviews by multiple news organizations because of his relevant experience & expertise, just like Bob Ballard. Is he supposed to say “No comment”?

by Anonymousreply 31June 24, 2023 8:46 AM

It’s kind of nice to have someone of his stature tell the truth. Normally, we only hear expert opinions once they’ve been cycled through their PR training. Cameron talks on camera like he talks off camera. I do believe his demeanor here does reflect his fury that people lost their lives in such a piece of shit tin can. With 33 descends to Titanic, he knows it can be done relatively safely with the right vehicle.

by Anonymousreply 32June 24, 2023 9:01 AM

What's he getting out of it though R30? I'd never known anything much about him until he made these comments. So I looked him up. He's the most successful and highest grossing director of all time with #1, #3 & #4 in the top 10. He's rich and famous and his work is mostly excellent and ground breaking. What is he getting out of all of this? I don't see it.

He's an expert in the field and very experienced about the Titanic area. What was he supposed to say? He seemed like a very impressive and pragmatic man. I just don't get the angry hatred towards him on DL. Is he a homophobe or something? Why do we all hate him?

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by Anonymousreply 33June 24, 2023 9:37 AM

R33, we don't all hate him. Just one jealous bitch hates him.

by Anonymousreply 34June 24, 2023 9:43 AM

[quote] I just don't get the angry hatred towards him on DL. Is he a homophobe or something? Why do we all hate him?

Cameron didn't praise Blessed Joe's miracle work at sea Pony Soldier. Damn him to hell !

by Anonymousreply 35June 24, 2023 10:01 AM

Good to know thanks R34. I knew nothing much about Cameron until I saw him on tv yesterday and then googled him. He's actually a very impressive man with two incredibly successful careers. He knows exactly what he's talking about.

by Anonymousreply 36June 24, 2023 10:02 AM

All those days were a charade and those people who died instantly might have had a few minutes of terrifying panic before the thing crushed them into red mist. They desperately wanted to get back to the surface.

by Anonymousreply 37June 24, 2023 11:24 AM

They'll spend millions collecting the debris of the vessel but can't be bothered collecting the remains of the people. Maybe because there aren't any.

by Anonymousreply 38June 24, 2023 11:30 AM

R33 You've answered your own question:

What's he getting out of it though? I'd never known anything much about him until he made these comments. So I looked him up.

You looked him up... So it's publicity.

But to answer your question, I don't "hate" him (I save that emotion for very few people as it takes effort). I dislike him, though, as he's incredibly arrogant, plus he's toxic on set. Kate Winslet attested to that during her time shooting Titanic. I've linked one of many articles below. He's one of those megalomaniac dicks. I'm sure most of us know the type.

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by Anonymousreply 39June 24, 2023 11:37 AM

Pity the boy won't get to spend those billions. Homes in major cities. Fabulous cars. Eating at the best restaurants. Well at least he loved his father. That's more than you can say about a lot of people.

by Anonymousreply 40June 24, 2023 11:45 AM

This is one of my greatest fears, so I have a lot of sympathy for the 19-year-old. The worst part is that he died in fear. I know I would be terrified from the moment I got into that contraption until the moment I got back out again. And if they knew they were descending too fast, then he knew something was wrong.

by Anonymousreply 41June 24, 2023 11:51 AM

If he had any good in him at all he’d get the 4K version of Aliens out. He’s worse than Hitler.

by Anonymousreply 42June 24, 2023 1:11 PM

I’ve been following this story and every expert who knows anything about deep sea exploration has been saying the sub was gone & its inhabitants were dead since it disappeared off the radar. I’m sure the government knew this, but they had to play out this charade of looking because billionaire families were pressuring them & they also knew it was a pretty likely possibility that they might never even find any debris. So if they were going to declare them dead with no solid evidence other than them just disappearing, they had to make a show of searching. They have actually just been looking for debris the whole time.

by Anonymousreply 43June 24, 2023 1:19 PM

I didn’t realize Cameron had so many fan boys. He should buy Twitter.

by Anonymousreply 44June 24, 2023 2:40 PM

R31 "These events are tragic, to be sure, my deep sympathies go out to the families and friends of those who were lost. Beyond, that, I think the official investigation should be allowed to run its course, and I feel that my making any other comment would be inappropriate at this time."

And solved - next.

by Anonymousreply 45June 24, 2023 2:42 PM

James Cameron has bitch face

by Anonymousreply 46June 24, 2023 2:50 PM

NPR

Sensors operated by the Navy detected the likely implosion of the Titan submersible hours before the U.S. Coast Guard publicly shared that it had gone missing — a revelation that means a five-day search that sparked round-the-clock media coverage may have been futile from the start.

The Navy detected "an anomaly consistent with an implosion or explosion" in acoustic data taken from the same area where the Titan went missing, a senior Navy official told NPR in a written statement.

A second official confirmed to NPR that it had registered that acoustic data on Sunday.

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Yet they kept lying.

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by Anonymousreply 47June 24, 2023 2:51 PM

I wish James Cameron was on the Titan. Or that his parents would have been on the Titanic. Win-win.

by Anonymousreply 48June 24, 2023 4:28 PM

I am no fan of Cameron but he's been speaking a lot of sense about this and how the government has been lying to everyone. Just because you don't like him(I don't) doesn't mean he can't speak the truth.

by Anonymousreply 49June 24, 2023 4:43 PM

It’s easy to Monday morning quarterback, but the vessel had made dozens of trips without any issues, and one of the people onboard has done more dives to the Titanic wreckage than any other living person.

by Anonymousreply 50June 24, 2023 4:45 PM

Notice the teen's aunt has been speaking for the family. If the mother is alive she is probably in such a state of grief and shock she can barely speak.

by Anonymousreply 51June 24, 2023 5:11 PM

There was the one guy who put down a deposit and after looking it over said no way.

by Anonymousreply 52June 24, 2023 5:14 PM

"What's he getting out of it though? I'd never known anything much about him until he made these comments. So I looked him up. You looked him up... So it's publicity."

Well, I think he's also trying to protect his belove shipwreck from tourism, and make the public aware of ripoff tourism companies that give deep-sea diving a bad name, maybe even protect the public from the operators of deep-sea deathtraps.

So now we know, when it comes to submarines in international waters, there's no safety standards and no regulations enforced, and people like Stockton Rush are perfectly happy to hire kids to operate the things and not experienced sub pilots, so we know what kind of signs to look for. So the one bright spot in this whole disaster has been that Rush himself was piloting the sub when it imploded, and he was killed by the deathtrap he's created and not some 25-year-old "inspirational" kid, and that at least was right and just. It's just a damn shame four other people had to die with them, one a scared kid.

by Anonymousreply 53June 24, 2023 5:17 PM

The mother is probably trying to figure out how she’s going to spend all that money.

by Anonymousreply 54June 24, 2023 5:18 PM

"If the mother is alive she is probably in such a state of grief and shock she can barely speak."

And anger! Can you imagine how she feels about a spouse who got their eldest kid killed???

by Anonymousreply 55June 24, 2023 5:18 PM

[Quote] It’s easy to Monday morning quarterback, but the vessel had made dozens of trips without any issues, and one of the people onboard has done more dives to the Titanic wreckage than any other living person.

Bull SHIT. He was repeatedly warned by several experts including a sub expert that went down in the same vessel and heard fucking cracking noises the deeper they went that the vessel wasn't safe. Several other passengers backed out of their trips due to their concerns. To say nothing of the fact that he refused to get the vessel certified by the applicable authority. There are more stories coming out by the day, including one where he was quoted as using scrap carbon fibre components from used Boeing jets because "he got a deal". Fucking SOCIOPATH.

by Anonymousreply 56June 24, 2023 5:19 PM

[quote] "These events are tragic, to be sure, my deep sympathies go out to the families and friends of those who were lost. Beyond, that, I think the official investigation should be allowed to run its course, and I feel that my making any other comment would be inappropriate at this time."

I'd rather hear: "No comment."

by Anonymousreply 57June 24, 2023 5:20 PM

[quote] If he had class, he would keep this opinion to himself for now.

News outlets have been aggressively contacting him for insight about this specifically because he's uniquely an expert on the subject matter. If he had said "no comment" to all of it, I would've thought he was a real twat. I've thought instead that his responses have been very human, respectful and thoughtful.

by Anonymousreply 58June 24, 2023 5:20 PM

Looks like there was another pair who pulled out.

Investor Jay Bloom and his son Sean said there were some major red flags upfront, which led them to pass on the voyage. Their seats went to Shahzada and Suleman Dawood, the father and son who were among the five passengers that lost their lives on the Titan.

by Anonymousreply 59June 24, 2023 5:22 PM

This guy (Michael Guillen, scientist) went in a Russian sub, 20 years ago, descended down to the Titanic wreck. Sub got hit by a current and they had to go back up. Sounds like he thought he was going to die, but the sub pilot (Russian) was very skilled and got them out of the situation.

Anyway, he said, basically, that the area is a gravesite and people shouldn't have a Disneyland attitude about it.

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by Anonymousreply 60June 24, 2023 5:26 PM

R54 the passengers all had to sign a waiver indicating that they knew the vehicle was experimental, not certified & that they were accepting risk of dismemberment or death (that’s why the one guy backed out) so I don’t know how much money the families could get

They could argue that the passengers signed under duress or as a result of fraud I guess. But the legal wording was pretty clear.

by Anonymousreply 61June 24, 2023 6:30 PM

Not sure why people think Cameron shouldn’t speak on this? He is a legitimate world-class expert on this subject. He’s as qualified as anyone to speak.

by Anonymousreply 62June 24, 2023 6:32 PM

James Cameron doesn't want anyone making money off the Titanic aside from himself.

by Anonymousreply 63June 24, 2023 6:37 PM

r63 = the ghost of Stockton Rush

by Anonymousreply 64June 24, 2023 6:42 PM

R63, maybe? But regardless of your judgment on his motivations, some one needs to say it. I am GLAD he’s saying it. Experimental technology should not be tested on the general public, EVER. And with the warp speed advancements we are making across all forms of technology, we are going to have to learn how to pump the breaks and police this sort of shit. If it happened to the .0001% percenters, it can happen to anyone. Raising public awareness on this can ultimately bring about guardrails.

But electric driverless cars are fine. Twitter is banning use of the word “cis”.

by Anonymousreply 65June 24, 2023 6:47 PM

I am not a Cameron fangirl by any means but he knows what he’s talking about here, and he’s been perfectly respectful throughout the entire saga. Like he said, he knew on Monday what had happened, as there was no other logical explanation, to someone who knows the technology well. If he wanted to get a ton of publicity by being the first person to call it on TV, he could have done so then. He waited out of respect for the families.

by Anonymousreply 66June 24, 2023 7:00 PM

"James Cameron doesn't want anyone making money off the Titanic aside from himself."

James Cameron made his money off the Titanic in a way that never physically harmed anyone, Stockton Rush made his money off the Titanic in a way that killed four innocent people and himself.

How can you not see the difference?

by Anonymousreply 67June 24, 2023 7:30 PM

R21 was owned. Presumptive ass cunt.

by Anonymousreply 68June 24, 2023 7:42 PM

R21 just grew his first pubic hair last Tuesday.

by Anonymousreply 69June 24, 2023 7:44 PM

If you want to look at this in the most cynical way concerning Cameron which I don't I know he's speaking as a knowledgeable expert his movie can only get more publicity and make more money off of it.

by Anonymousreply 70June 24, 2023 7:49 PM

What?

by Anonymousreply 71June 24, 2023 7:51 PM

James Cameron said they should have searched for the sub in its last-known location, but they didn't do that. Alas, the sub was found ... in its last-known location. According to Cameron.

by Anonymousreply 72June 24, 2023 7:56 PM

R72 wait why didn’t they search in the last known location first. Something isn’t adding up. I wonder if these people ever got on that submersible and this isn’t some vast conspiracy for some Uber rich person to fake their own death.

by Anonymousreply 73June 24, 2023 8:00 PM

R72, searching at a "known location" involves searching a lightless, uneven ocean floor, which is already strewn with enough metal from the Titanic wreck to confuse metal-detecting sensors. And there are currents down there that could have made the bits of the Titan land some distance from the Titanic.

Finding the remains of the Titan was never going to be an easy job, it's nice that it only took a few days. It could easily have taken longer.

by Anonymousreply 74June 24, 2023 8:05 PM

You’re hilarious r73.

by Anonymousreply 75June 24, 2023 8:06 PM

R74 I think you are getting to answering my question but I’m still uncertain. Are you saying that conditions make impossible to search the last known location. If so why did they eventually do it and how did they accomplish it. Or that it makes no sense to search the last known location because of said conditions. But they eventually searched the last known location and that’s where it’s remnants were found. So again it begs the question why’d didn’t they search the last known location first.

by Anonymousreply 76June 24, 2023 8:10 PM

"Are you saying that conditions make impossible to search the last known location."

No, just that the "last known location" is both larger than you think, and harder to search. Drift is to be expected if something implodes thousands of feet above a "known area" in an ocean full of currents, the debris is going to both drift and scatter as it falls, the pieces may have been tiny and hard to spot in the mucky ocean floor, and the landing area may have been scattered with centuries-old bits of metal from the last wreck, so meta-detecting technology may have been of limited use. Visual identification may also have been difficult, due to the mucky bottom and small pieces, who knows.

So yeah, I'm actually impressed that they found the pieces in a few days.

by Anonymousreply 77June 24, 2023 8:21 PM

Ok so then Cameron is full of shit or r72 is not stating it properly. Why didn’t you counter what r72 he said.

by Anonymousreply 78June 24, 2023 8:25 PM

R78 Actually you did, apologies.

by Anonymousreply 79June 24, 2023 8:25 PM

Sure, R78, blame everyone else for your failure to understand.

by Anonymousreply 80June 24, 2023 8:27 PM

R72 clearly made an argument that the scope of the last known location should have been searched and was not done so. And that Cameron insisted that should have been done and when it eventually was he was correct.

by Anonymousreply 81June 24, 2023 8:30 PM

All in all DL’s antiquated site creates problems lol. When you get alerts that someone mention you and click it often scrolls to the comment above. So I was reading fast and didn’t realize the commenter responded to r72, not me r73. The fkin alert scrolled to that comment if that makes sense.

by Anonymousreply 82June 24, 2023 8:33 PM

[quote][R21] just grew his first pubic hair last Tuesday.

Pics please.

by Anonymousreply 83June 24, 2023 9:01 PM

[quote]Cameron is responsible for some of the more significant damage during his expedition to the ship in 1995 to acquire footage for his film Titanic two years later. One of the MIR submersibles used on the expedition collided with the hull, damaging both and leaving fragments of the submersible's propeller shroud scattered around the superstructure. Captain Smith's quarters were heavily damaged by the collapse of the external bulkhead, which exposed the cabin's interior.[132]

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by Anonymousreply 84June 24, 2023 9:06 PM

The only cinematic works of his that I like of his are the Terminator films, but overall he’s a great communicator and educator of the general public. That’s why I think Titanic and Avatar are a bit preachy and have simplistic, cliche characters and dialogue; he focuses on grand themes, like bigotry, inequality, tribalism, and environmental catastrophe. I think that may be why he doesn’t bother with subtlety or ambiguity in his screenwriting. He cares more about the themes of his films than the films themselves.

by Anonymousreply 85June 24, 2023 9:23 PM

^^ Sorry for the typos!

by Anonymousreply 86June 24, 2023 9:24 PM

R76 Because they weren’t going to send a manned crew, at government expense, down at top speed with visual optics etc to check out a dangerous site when they were already 99.99999999% sure all they were going to find was debris at best.

They were searching by sonar instead and that takes time.

by Anonymousreply 87June 24, 2023 9:34 PM

R81, if they found the bits in just a few days, they probably WERE searching the last known location! Which like I said, is both larger and harder to search than most people would think.

But I wouldn't be surprised to find that Cameron thinks he could have found the bits faster.

by Anonymousreply 88June 24, 2023 10:26 PM

R87 that explains why it was taking so long to find remnants. There was not much to be heard from a disintegrated submersible. The Navy heard the implosion when it happened.

by Anonymousreply 89June 24, 2023 10:42 PM

Is there anything in Cameron’s statements that’s actually saying he could have found it faster or the government(s) in question weren’t looking in the right place?

It seems to me he was just saying that the media & public have been focusing on these salacious possibilities that the passengers were still alive, banging on the hull, the oxygen countdowns etc. when it was always a foregone conclusion where they were going to find the wreckage — if they found anything at all.

A few days ago people were claiming that the Coast Guard wasn’t doing enough to find the sub & now it’s “they knew all along it was gone” — which is it? And does it matter?

This really isn’t a case of “the government lying”. They had an obligation to exhaust all possibilities and search the location for some kind of evidence of what happened WITHIN REASON before declaring these people dead and informing the families before they informed the public. Which they did.

I also want to point out that OceanGate was deliberately operating in international waters, outside of US jurisdiction and regulation, and the fact that the US was even searching for this sub at all was a courtesy.

by Anonymousreply 90June 24, 2023 10:47 PM

He’s totally correct!!

by Anonymousreply 91June 24, 2023 10:54 PM

[quote] This really isn’t a case of “the government lying”. They had an obligation to exhaust all possibilities and search the location for some kind of evidence of what happened WITHIN REASON

[quote] I also want to point out that OceanGate was deliberately operating in international waters, outside of US jurisdiction and regulation, and the fact that the US was even searching for this sub at all was a courtesy.

Did the US government have an "obligation" or was the search (by US Coast Guard) a "courtesy"? You seem to be saying two different things.

by Anonymousreply 92June 24, 2023 10:57 PM

Those two concepts are not mutually exclusive in this case. Don’t be a pedant. R90 made a very good point—

by Anonymousreply 93June 24, 2023 10:59 PM

R92 It was a courtesy for them to search and I assume they did so because at least one of the passengers was an American citizen. Having agreed to search, they had an obligation to not just shrug and say “they’re dead” but to provide whatever evidence they could, even if it was just “we searched beyond the time period when they could have possibly had oxygen, even if we weren’t already pretty sure they were dead”.

Does that make it clearer for you?

by Anonymousreply 94June 24, 2023 11:02 PM

Well why the fuck didn't he say so when it was going on?

Hindsight is 20/20

by Anonymousreply 95June 24, 2023 11:04 PM

It wasn’t hindsight you numnut. He reserved his comments until later in the week. Duh.

by Anonymousreply 96June 24, 2023 11:07 PM

R94, yes, that does clarify what you said. Thank you.

by Anonymousreply 97June 24, 2023 11:07 PM

[quote]It’s easy to Monday morning quarterback, but the vessel had made dozens of trips without any issues…

The hull was made of carbon fiber material not rated for ocean depths. It’s meant for aircraft, not submersibles, so each time the Titan went down, it was subjected to pressure stress that progressively weakened the material. It’s like Lizzo saying “I’ve twerked in these damn leggings over a dozen times without any issues. Why’d they split on me?”

by Anonymousreply 98June 24, 2023 11:11 PM

I’m not a scientific genius or anything but I still can’t wrap my mind around the fact that this operation thought that a material that’s appropriate for spaceships would also be appropriate for the deep sea.

Like, honestly, just a giant fail for humanity here. We’re never getting into The Federation like this, lol.

by Anonymousreply 99June 25, 2023 12:15 AM

r95 as someone said earlier, he likely didn't say it before official announcement, out of respect for the families.

And really, the media is who he's talking about, not the various government agencies doing their work. It was the over the top coverage with countdown clocks for the oxygen they had remaining that was in poor taste IMO.

The government does the same thing when airlines disappear over the ocean, like Air France in 2009. They usually locate the debris field before they start announcing that all aboard perished. The Air France wreckage is 13,000ft below the surface, a similar depth to the Titanic. They retrieved over 100 bodies from the wreck 2 years after the crash.

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by Anonymousreply 100June 25, 2023 12:36 AM

R98 Baby when I say this is the funniest shit I read all day. Omshhh. You are hysterical. Good lord that was funny.

by Anonymousreply 101June 26, 2023 5:14 AM

The mother of the 19-year-old just said in an interview that she held out hope until the 96 after the loss of communication contact, when the oxygen supply would have expired. She and her daughter were on the ship from which the Titan was launched.

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by Anonymousreply 102June 26, 2023 6:20 AM

To the people who worried they suffered - they absolutely didn't.

At the moment of implosion, they would have been flash-fried at 10,000 degrees F and then squeezed into cooked gel in a nanosecond then squeezed out the seams of the imploding submersible. It is physically impossible for their vision and brains to register or process what was happening in real time as they were already were hot goo.

The 2 minute video at the link explains what would have happened.

Their hearts will go on and they will always be part of the Titanic now. Unless something ate the flash-fried goo.

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by Anonymousreply 103June 26, 2023 6:45 AM

R103 Thanks for posting that. I knew they would have been torn apart but because I couldn’t grasp the intensity of the implosion I thought may be tiny little pieces and if so that’s possible for certain organs to be intact and thus a slight chance of conceiving the trauma. I see know they were literally sizzled and cooked immediately.

by Anonymousreply 104June 26, 2023 3:24 PM

But if the ballast was dropped first there must have been a moment of anxiety first, when they realized something was wrong.

Hopefully Stockton Rush was the only one to really suffer during that moment, and he didn't tell the innocent passengers that they were going to die because of his negligence.

by Anonymousreply 105June 26, 2023 6:14 PM

I wonder if the other 3 or 4 were yelling at Rush in the final minutes or hours.

by Anonymousreply 106June 26, 2023 7:39 PM

I just hope the poor scared kid didn't realize what was going on.

But the marine scientist probably did. May he rest in peace, while Stockton Rush sizzles in Hell.

by Anonymousreply 107June 26, 2023 7:50 PM

R106. They weren’t. This would not be a slow thing. And the implosion/trauma so great it would be perceived as instantaneous to the human conscious therefore not perceived.

by Anonymousreply 108June 26, 2023 8:12 PM

[quote]...This would not be a slow thing.

But something happened onboard which caused them to drop their ballast so that they could head for the surface. Some sound or indicator would have warned Stockton Rush who was piloting, so he acted, probably hoping to get to the surface before a catastrophe.

The question is, who else onboard would have understood the peril. Three of those in the sub (Rush, Harding and Nargeolet) were experienced and may have been aware. The father and son, much less so.

It seems that, as of now, no one knows what it was that made them drop ballast and try to ascend.

Some people seem to be indicating that they were still descending before they dropped their ballast to head up.

But, if they never reached Titanic... how could the wreckage that was discovered be close to the Titanic wreckage?

If the surface team knows exactly when they started down, and the Navy knows when they heard the sound of the implosion, it seems they should be able to calculate at what depth the implosion occurred.

by Anonymousreply 109June 26, 2023 9:20 PM

I remember reading something about if there's a crack on a sub and it doesn't decompress or implode immediately the sailor who walks by can have their body part severed.

It's basically like an invisible stream and needs to be sealed. I wonder if it's real.

by Anonymousreply 110June 28, 2023 2:22 AM

R110 Utter bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 111June 28, 2023 2:32 AM

R110 - see the video at R103. It clearly explains what happens in a deep sea implosion.

by Anonymousreply 112June 28, 2023 4:04 AM

The submarine wreckage brought to the surface. Evidence presumed to be human remains from the site of the imploded Titan submersible has been recovered, the U.S. Coast Guard said late Wednesday.

So far, the coast guard says, five major pieces of the sub have been found in a large debris field near the bow of the Titanic.

The debris brought ashore on Wednesday appeared to include at least one titanium end cap, the sub's porthole with its window missing, as well as a titanium ring, landing frame and the end equipment bay, according to BBC science correspondent Jonathan Amos.

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by Anonymousreply 113June 29, 2023 2:58 AM

[quote] James Cameron blasts hunt for Titanic sub as 'prolonged nightmarish charade

Oh James please STFU, your just an old entitled rich white guy with an opinion, who likes to hear himself talk, and can’t shut up. Nobody cares what you have to say. Please just go away silently and leave the rest of us alone.

by Anonymousreply 114June 29, 2023 3:12 AM

R114, Cameron actually is an expert in this shit, as well as an old rich white guy who likes to hear himself talk.

by Anonymousreply 115June 29, 2023 1:22 PM

[quote]Cameron actually is an expert in this shit, as well as an old rich white guy who likes to hear himself talk.

LOL, no, R115. No, he is not. Just because he's a movie director and millionaire with a hobby for obsessing over submarines and shipwrecks does NOT make him an expert. He's a thirsty celebrity. He has always done this sort of thing, talked out of his asshole and can't find his way in front of a camera fast enough. And of course the media was all too anxious to have him last week. He literally went on a media tour, trashing both the victims and the company of the sub, while knowing absolutely NOTHING about it. Nothing. Just spewing complete conjecture. I would ask you to post a link to his credentials of being "an expert" but of course, you can't, unless being famous and making bad movies, (having had one particularly good film) makes you one. James Cameron knew good and fucking well that this tired old movie would enjoy a renaissance for a few days and pocket him a few million dollars, and he was very savvy to recognize it fast enough to do his little media tour, even at the expense of being a nasty fucking human being.

You must be Canadian. Go away now.

by Anonymousreply 116June 29, 2023 1:30 PM

Remember, it was James Cameron who told Anderson Cooper that NOTHING would be left of the victims or the sub. It was al destroyed, nothing's left! Remember? But he's "an expert". LOL! Fucking Canadians.

by Anonymousreply 117June 29, 2023 1:32 PM

R117, you aren’t the sharpest knife in the drawer.

by Anonymousreply 118June 29, 2023 3:11 PM

R116 is Elon Musk.

Who the hell else would freak out like that, at hearing another rich fucker praised for actually understanding this shit?

by Anonymousreply 119June 29, 2023 10:24 PM

Nah, sorry but James Cameron is pretty smart. He probably would have been great at running the show on what to do with the rescue effort. He's used to leading billion dollar projects. He's very science oriented, pioneered new ways of filmmaking.

by Anonymousreply 120June 30, 2023 12:38 AM

Who the hell would want to actually go down all that way to look at the rotting Titanic? It's essentially an ocean grave.

by Anonymousreply 121July 1, 2023 11:39 AM
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