HBO Max - "The Stroll"

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That was a storyline on Sex and the City, wasn't it? Samantha threw water on them because they were making too much noise outside her window.

Yes, it was.

IIRC another tenant (female and older) in Samantha's building was attacked or something by one of her "dates". Older residents (especially the women) ganged up on Sam which prompted her to move. One quip I remember from episode was Sam saying "they haven't had sex since Eisenhower and are taking it out on me".

Carrie tells Sam she's "rent controlled" and can't move out of her apartment (meaning she'd be a fool to give that up and move), but Sam does anyway. Where does she go? The new hot and trendy Meatpacking District which then still had fuck tons of trannie hookers.

By end of episode Sam and trannies were bff so that was that.

That episode of tranny hookers was the last episode of that season.

I remember the song played at the end of the episode was Got To Be Real, as Samantha bonded with the hookers as they partied on the roof on a hot August night.

Those were the days.

Before Gen Z was born.

Before gender ideology.

Have friends who live in London Towers and sometimes after picking them up to head downtown cab goes south along Washington Street. It's really errie to see just how cleaned up Meatpacking area has become.

Still miss Florent!

Gritty old days.

Don't forget Crisco Disco!

From what I've read, the owner of Florent used to write his T-cell count on a chalk board.

Sorry for double link

The Vault and Hell Fire clubs

Is this from the same production team as "Pimps Up, Hos Down?"

That was a great little series of documentaries. One was in New York, one in Atlantic City and one in Hawaii somewhere (that one was shocking.)

Anyways, the one in Atlantic City brought me a phrase I still use quite often...

"I AM NOT CAPTAIN SAVE-A-HO!"

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He did, but there was a method to Florent Morellet's madness.

At at time when HIV+ diagnosis was something people hid with shame M. Morellet put his out into the open, making it part of Florent's culture.

Any DLers going to fess up seeing themselves in this show?

Just watched it. My God, everybody in this is so fucking ugly and repulsive (let alone the obnoxious voices). UGH

I could barely finish it.

They kept saying how the gays don't give a shit about the trannies YAWN Maybe we don't give a shit because we're not fucking street hookers who went to Riker's Island 8 times and keep going back to suck dick on the street cosplaying as giiirrrrls. Fuck off.

IIRC there was some televised interview where RuPaul threw major shade at trannies working on West and Washington street areas. They have never forgotten nor forgiven Ru since.

Thing is while majority of those trannie whoaas have extensive rap sheets, are HIV+ and living in some sort of government supplied housing (ones that are still living anyway), RuPaul is a multi-millionaire and gets PAID.

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I just wanna get

I just wanna get

I just wanna get

PAID

R14, big surprise. Trannies are the biggest homophobes on the planet and it’s always our fault that the rest of the world thinks they’re psychopaths they want nothing to do with.

I hear Club Fudge is still the hottest club on Gansevoort.

But is it...packed?

Who is the audience for this? This sounds like something that will be embarrassingly pulled by Max in a month due to an utter lack of interest.

Quite honestly one of best things Rudy G. and continued by Bloomberg was clearing out those trannie hookers out of Meatpacking area.

Things went from bad to worse after gays began abandoning Christopher Street/West Village moving gay scene north to Chelsea. Fuck tons of black and Latino/Hispanic trannies and gays from hoods all over NYC and NJ invaded Meatpacking area and West Village (Christopher Street west to West Street/Meatpacking area).

Those that weren't working streets were involved in other crimes that rose in area, especially since these trans brought their "husbands" or other thugs to hang out with them. Retail and other businesses in area saw increased crime as did local residents or anyone else down there.

Click, dial tone, good-bye!

Tell the man with the money to come here and pay me....

The only Stroll that interests me is Edson Stroll, from McHale's Navy.

I saw a doco about trannies in meatpacking District years ago. They were so violent I couldn’t believe it. They were always fighting, cursing each other out, pulling knives or razor blades on each other. It was shocking. I had no idea.

You can take bitches out of the hood, but you can't take the hood out of bitches.

It's basically all they know.

Didn’t the movie [italic]Paris is Burning[/italic] open with “ Got To Be Real,” r4?

R4 misremembers. “Got To Be Real” was used iconically a few episodes later, in the one where Carrie falls on the runway. The tranny episode ended with a fairly anonymous, early 2000s dance song “Flying Above The Clouds”

I like the episode where that vulgarian Kristen Johnston falls out a window while bitching about how modern New York SUCKS!

[quote]The engaging and endearing interviewees provide inspiring stories of confidence and empowerment...

See folks? These trans obsessives see dangerous street walking, and giving strangers blow jobs in cars or behind dumpsters at night "empowering" and "inspiring" as long as black trannies are doing it! I imagine if we could only show this to kids in school they'd really want to emulate the career of a "sex worker" and grab some of this empowerment!

I worked the door at the nightclub Mother for about a year in 1996 and I can tell you there was very little empowerment going on outside around me!

Lemme guess, they make trannies out to be the heroes of the gay rights movement.

r28...

Actually R4, the song played at the end of that episode was “Above the Clouds” by Amber.

“Got to be Real” was played at the end of S4, E2 “The Real Me”, where Carrie became “fashion roadkill” when she tripped on the runway during NY Fashion Week.

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Well wouldn't have been much of a point to creating this nil rated documentary otherwise would there?

Knew some (to me then) older gays who lived in West Village Houses. The stories they would tell about goings on on Washington and West streets or the side streets going between the two. Nearly all said thanks to the trannie hookers and element that later arrived with them it often wasn't safe from early evening into overnight. Those living in Westbeth apartments pretty much said same thing.

Going out for dinner, coming back home late, just running out to get milk or something during night time often meant dealing with those trannies, their husbands or rest of criminal element. Things were very bad for females who lived down there as johns driving around assumed any woman waking about at night was on the game.

There was a trannie bar on 8th between 13th and 14th back in day. Girls would come up from or on their way to the stroll and hang out. Knew someone who lived above that ground floor retail and she complained that usually every night that bar was open the trans would congregate in entry way or vestibule of building. This and would also turn dates there as well.

Last bit happened pretty much on all side streets from 13th down to Christopher from 7th or 8th to West Street. Coming home or going out late you never knew what you'd find in vestibule of your building or below grade stair area.

SATC of course is fiction and Samantha was very brave. In real world you valued your life very cheaply confronting those trannie hookers. Unless you were like that big man in linked story above you'd be wise to just call NYPD and let them handle things.

R32 You're right.

How the fuck did I confuse those two scenes?

They're both iconic SATC moments.

This is the only stroll I'm interested in...

Someone ought to to a documentary about old Meatpacking district interviewing those who lived and worked down there aside from the trannies.

Look at comments section from link posted in R9 and you find many from those who lived in area back in day. People like Christopher Dunquette who are still around have some very interesting stories to tell.

What some may not realize is the "meatpacking" area was very much a neighborhood like any other in Manhattan. It was the more gritty part of West Village that showed further west one got from 7th avenue.

Ninth, Tenth, and Eleventh avenues in Chelsea, West Village down to SoHo and into Tribeca were mix of commercial and residential for most part.

Back in day these areas were fucking fun because since they were largely abandoned at night or on weekends (when businesses were closed) many clubs were over there; Paradise Garage, Crisco Disco, the Roxy, the Tunnel, Alex in Wonderland....

You'd come out of some club or after hours at 8AM some Sunday morning in summer with that fucking bright sunlight.... There you were navigating trannie hookers pulling the early morning shift walking along trying to find a damn taxi to get home....

The Mineshaft!

Leonard Fink and some others happily captured old West Village, Meatpacking area and West Street/piers for posterity. Going down there now for many who were around for those days just calls up too many ghosts.

No discussion about old Meatpacking area would be complete without mentioning the late Nelson Sullivan!

Nelson Sullivan walks home to his townhouse at 5 Ninth Avenue in the heart of New York City's Meatmarket district in 1987.

RuPaul owes so much to Nelson Sullivan.

R42 All of those old VHS tapes were just sitting in someone's attic for many years after Nelson passed.

It's such an amazing time capsule.

This documentary was great.

How come we don’t see more relatable and cool trans people like the ones in this doc? Why is it all whiney white privileged people like Caitlyn?

I watched this tonight and loved it. It was heartening to see the girls who survived so much experiencing some peace and joy in their lives now.

Transgender people have a serious role model problem. If you make someone like Marsha P Johnson and Sylvia Rivera into your lodestar, then of course you're going to go astray.