Trump indictment is damning

So much detail. The case seems irrefutable. How will any one defend or excuse this stuff?

Yes, I’m sure he’ll be punished this time. Just like every other time. There’s no way he’ll get away with it. *Wink wink*

A jury of his peers. In Florida. Well, that ends that. Remember O.J.?

What is the defense? None of that is true? It’s trivial stuff? He had a right so to anything he wanted to because he really should still be president? It’s all Biden’s fault (somehow)?

^ Apples and Oranges mate.

R5 meant for R3.

What he has done is an assault against America and Americans. He is a traitor to our nation. His name should stand as an enemy to the United States of America and to Democracy, forever.

FUCK this piece of shit and anyone who supports or even downplays what he's done.

"It’s all Biden’s fault (somehow)?"

The evil and all powerful and pervasive trannies/chix with dix made me do it.

R3, in this case, I HOPE that we get a jury of Black women. Trump will never see the light of day again.

Fox New channel is actually covering this seriously right now. No excuses.

So glad they released this before the weekend so the lies & spin couldn’t get out of hand. Can’t wait to hear what badass Smith has to say.

[quote]What is the defense?

"There's no proof he sold any nuclear secrets to Russia, Iran or Saudi Arabia!"

That cuntina of a judge will grant him every pre-trial motion he asks for and will intentionally stall this for years.

I had my TV on mute but WTF is with all those boxes stacked up in a bathroom? Is this part of the "evidence"? That looks shady as hell!

Jack Smith making a statement right now!

Jack Smith speaking now!

Had no idea Smith looked like Hunter Biden, oh this is so delicious!

[quote]Fox New channel is actually covering this seriously right now. No excuses.

That is very significant, r10.

[quote]Fox New channel is actually covering this seriously right now. No excuses.

Fox News' favorite legal commentator Jonathan Turley: "It is an extremely damning indictment ... this is not an indictment that you can dismiss"

Yeah! Get 'im -- Jack's not fucking around!

Oh, there it is. A FL congressman is on Fox right now saying, “It’s not fairer! What about Hillary (et al)? This is just Biden’s DOJ going after his political rival.” Nobody who reads the indictment will trivialize it like that - but will they actually read it?

Did that reporter seriously just ask him why Florida?

[quote]I had my TV on mute but WTF is with all those boxes stacked up in a bathroom? Is this part of the "evidence"? That looks shady as hell!

R21 That's what Geraldo Rivera was spouting yesterday; I wonder what he thinks now that the indictment is unsealed?

OP you are late to the game. If you can find the indictment, you could have found the first thread on the topic.

R14 Stacks on stacks of highly classified info that our enemies would literally kill for -- stored in his tacky-ass toilet!

[quote]Nobody who reads the indictment will trivialize it like that - but will they actually read it?

How many read the Mueller report?

R17 it is Hunter Biden or one of his doubles! They killed Jack Smith and had Hunter fill the role.

R28, that actually would not surprise me if they spread and believed that rumor.

[quote]What is the defense?

This country has an over-classification problem!

[quote]I HOPE that we get a jury of Black women. Trump will never see the light of day again.

You mean like Diamond and Silk?

But he's going to have a HEALTH CRISIS brought on by this INJUSTICE!

He is so fucked TG.

R25 If there is another thread, could you link to it?

I think the only way past this is for him to do a plea deal.

What will Mz Lindsay & the other hawks say?

R34 Search!

R35 Only if the plea deal states that he will never run for public office again.

Jack Smith and his Big Dick Face have Donald dead to rights.

They can prove that Dump actually, physically showed classified documents to unauthorized people. That means Donald's going to prison.

Jesus, I can't even imagine how that would work, the Secret Service would have to go into prison with him for fuck's sake. How bizarre.

If there were documents flown to NJ, are they still there? That property wasn’t searched, was it?

Time to dig up Ivana's casket

And what's all this about hiding some documents in a strip club? WTF?

I wonder how CNN feels now regarding the disastrous Town Hall.

That dumb MAGA judge will derail this case, guaranteed.

Don't know who created this, but nice summary (if all the pieces are true, I haven't checked)

My understanding is that if Judge Cannon doesn't move to recuse herself from the case, the Justice Department will seek to have someone else appointed and can probably make that happen.

r45 "warrent?"

Oh, dear.

As a true Patriot, I volunteer to do guard duty at whatever prison they put this piece of shit in. I wouldn't allow him to be Epsteined. I wouldn't allow him to contact any of America's enemies, to pass secrets. For America, I would make sure he was safe for the entirety of his sentence.

So he would serve EVERY LAST FUCKING DAY in safety. Suffering all alone, no social media, no orange makeup, no MAGAdonians, no gold toilets, no 13 girls to rape, no Vanky.

Every. Last. Day. Safely.

No orange makeup?

You beast!

No chandelier in his bathroom (See R23, Tasteful Friends)

"MY boxes". Just give him the death penalty and be done with it.

Soooo many boxes…..

Gladly, r51, point me to the gallows and I'll string him up with a song in my heart.

Trump is so screwed.

Smith has the proof of him showing those document to unauthorized people at that club in Floriduh.

That means federal fucking prison.

Good times.

It's Florida so I say fire up glitchy Old Sparky.

There is something so fitting about the toilet be seen in one pic.

[quote]They can prove that Dump actually, physically showed classified documents to unauthorized people. That means Donald's going to prison.

[quote]That means federal fucking prison.

No, it does not. Any judge, whether that printer-named cunt or someone else, will take into account that he is the former president and will give him a suspended sentence.

We'll see what a jury gives him, r58 honey.

Trump won’t see the inside of federal prison walls.

They’ll make a safety and logistical argument, and throw in his age too.

He should be in prison, plenty of other guys his age are in there.

Cable news marathon tonight!

r59 Jury won't do the sentencing, babe.

Maybe he won’t actually go to prison, but he’s not gonna be president after this.

We'll just wait and see what happens with ALL the trials. I like this one in Floriduh, the sister-case Smith's brining in DC will be bangin' and the case coming in Georgia will be on fucking fire.

He'll see the inside of a prison cell at least once, so that's nice.

I'd be happy enough to see him with an ankle bracelet monitor.

R59 the jury does determine the sentence; it is determined by the judge under existing federal guidelines.

r58 r62 MAGA trash.

Side Note: I guess I expected a more commanding voice and demeanor (he HAS been talked up for months, though I never bothered to watch him in other interviews). But I didn't expect Smith's voice to sound the way it does. As long as the long arm of the law finally finds and evicscerates you-know-who, IDGAF what he sounds like.

R65 And throw him in the pool with it!

Does Not*

R66 correcting the post above

R35 - “ I think the only way past this is for him to do a plea deal.”

Or, kill himself. Umm, I think I’ll go with option B; kill himself.

^ Trump would take everyone else out before he took himself out. If he were a kid today he'd be a school shooter

If he hurries, maybe he can escape to some far away country with no extradition treaty. Anything to get him out of view would be okay with me. Being ignored would probably be. The worst penalty for him.

Repukes are livid because their sleazy bogus bribery accusations against Biden were wiped out of the news.

He'd probably try to escape to Saudi Arabia if he tried to get away.

I'd actually support that. Let him shrivel and die under the burning hot sun, surrounded by nothing but sand as far as the eye can see.

Donald of Arabia (this one doesn't try to free anyone but himself)

Good times.

Looking around, I'm seeing lawyers saying this case lives and dies in voir dire. If they can root out the redhats, which are crawling all over the jury pool in Florida, it's a done deal. And the reverse is also true -- let one redhat slip by and the case is dead.

But in order for Smith do be able to do that, you need a judge who'll be generous with the strike process. So not a Trump sympathiser.

Is it just me or has the response from the GOP been muted so far? I recall an absolute meltdown when the NY indictment came down.

[quote]Is it just me or has the response from the GOP been muted so far?

In what is becoming a now all-too-familiar trend, former President Donald Trump’s far-right supporters have threatened civil war after news broke Thursday that the former president was indicted for allegedly taking classified documents from the White House without permission.

“We need to start killing these traitorous fuckstains,” wrote one Trump supporter on The Donald, a rabidly pro-Trump message board that played a key role in planning the January 6 attack on the Capitol. Another user added: “It's not gonna stop until bodies start stacking up. We are not civilly represented anymore and they'll come for us next. Some of us, they already have.”

After all this evidence coming out, will be interesting to see who shows up to protest in support of him in Miami on Tuesday. Don't think it will be Jan. 6 size crowds.

r78 Those are his supporters, I meant the GOP establishment.

Meh. R78, that's just rando fucks on some tiny chat board. It's like taking things that we post here on the DL and blowing them up into "news" somehow.

It's meaningless, honey. You were asked about the GOP establishment. What are their leaders saying.

Qevin talked some dumb shit for a minute. I'm sure MTraitorG did too and Shammity and whoever but really, where IS everyone? Where are the massive protests in the streets? Where is the new January Sixth Insurrection? Where is Mitch? Where are the other big Rethuglicans? Vewwwy Vewwwy Qwiet.

They can read that indictment the same as we can and they are not coming out for Dump. Have they moved on already? Hardly the slavish devotion they used to have for Trumpty Dumpty.

Good times.

[quote]Those are his supporters, I meant the GOP establishment.

Does Kevin McCarthy qualify?

Speaker McCarthy continues to defend Trump after charges unveiled today, saying to to Fox that the indictment is going “to disrupt this nation because it goes to the core of equal justice for all, which is not being seen today. And we're not going to stand for it.”

r82 Thanks. Already seems watered down compared to the NY statement. By the time we get to Georgia, he'll probably just complain that they're wasting time or something.

Romney Statement on Reports of Indictment

WASHINGTON—U.S. Senator Mitt Romney (R-UT) today issued the following statement on reports of the indictment of former President Trump:

“Like all Americans, Mr. Trump is entitled to the presumption of innocence. The government has the burden of proving its charges beyond a reasonable doubt and securing a unanimous verdict by a South Florida jury.

“By all appearances, the Justice Department and special counsel have exercised due care, affording Mr. Trump the time and opportunity to avoid charges that would not generally have been afforded to others.

“Mr. Trump brought these charges upon himself by not only taking classified documents, but by refusing to simply return them when given numerous opportunities to do so.

“These allegations are serious and if proven, would be consistent with his other actions offensive to the national interest, such as withholding defensive weapons from Ukraine for political reasons and failing to defend the Capitol from violent attack and insurrection.”

Good. That's the spirit.

You go, Mittens!

Bill Kristol:

It does seem as if the Republican Party is going to follow its now familiar path of never missing an opportunity to miss an opportunity to break with Trump.

Jack Smith in a suit is such a turn-on. Fuck me, Democracy Daddy!

R80, two House Republicans have issued would-be ominous statements.

I reported the Clay Higgins tweet to the FBI.

Bilbo Higgins of TX eats Theodora Cruz’s pussy for lunch. He couldn’t insurrect his own asshole.

I love MSNBC's coverage of this matter!

Two obscure, backbencher congressmen go attention-seeking off of Dump's latest criminal indictment.

I'm unimpressed.

R92, everyone important is huddled with their consultants, trying to figure out what to say.

Establishment Repugs, and DeSantis, Nikki Haley, Christie, the Big Money Donors are THRILLED at this indictment, no matter how many times they lie about condemning it.

Trump's cheese-off-the-cracker reich-wingers, the stupid, dangerous True Believers are sincerely outraged. And yeah, everybody should be leery of those crazy mofos.

FOX

[quote]Hegseth: We don't know anything about those pictures. I have been in that ballroom. There are not boxes lined up in that ballroom. Were those moved and taken a picture— Just because they’re in boxes, they could be unclassified, they could be notes

The 2025 presidential inauguration will now be held at Leavenworth.

LOL the scattering and desperation of the MAGArats is highly satisfactory and so amusing.

Run little MAGArats, run run!

R3, well, a grand jury in the Southern District of Florida recommended an indictment, so it's perfectly possible that another jury from the same district will convict him. People tend to take their civic duty seriously once they're empaneled.

And the Southern District includes Broward and Miami-Dade, so it could be much, much worse.

That woman judge in Florida is so damned stupid and so transparent, and she was clearly taking orders from someone the way she handled that case. I was thoroughly disgusted with her. She should have been impeached for gross stupidity.

I wonder how our poor Melanie has handled the news today? Is she standing by her man and being the supportive wife? Or could not be bothered as it would interrupt her spa treatments?

The ever-reliable Trump toady Hugh Hewitt:

First read of indictment and my reaction is “That’s it? The conspiracy is with the aide who moved the boxes? No documents were sold or given to third parties not in his close employ?”

Where’s his Alibaba lawyer now?

R102, And yet, if he or any other human in the planet had done the same thing, he’d be in jail.

R102, that’s really funny. “Sure, I stole your fucking car. Is that all? Why are you complaining? I didn’t wreck it, did I?”

Meanwhile, Hannity is talking to Newt Gingrich about the “explosive new allegations” against the Biden family.

May he burn in hell!

A chandelier in the bathroom? UGH!

Spa treatments...

[quote]I wonder how our poor Melanie has handled the news today?

I really don't care. Do you?

I just keep thinking how the Rosenbergs were executed for less.

Look closely, r107. Chris Hayes pointed out that if you look above the curtain rod, there's even more boxes behind there.

Why do I have the gnawing feeling he'll get away with it?

[quote] Trump indictment is damning

Florida, how do you feel about this?

If the facts keep getting out, people are going to be repulsed. Even if they used to be supporters, a lot of them will just quietly turn away. They will either vote for another Republican candidate or just stay home on election day.

I’m waiting for the tapes to be released where he denigrates his supporters behind closes doors.

Closed*

Brazilian news keeping it real:

[bold]TRUMP KEPT NUCLEAR SECRETS IN THE TOILET[/bold]

R117, we’re never living this down, are we?

r117...

It's shocking just how many documents he had and the seriousness of the information. He should be executed for this, seriously.

Read the indictment. He’s fucked.

Read the indictment; he's fucked AMERICA over for years and years.

He deserves to be put to death, just like the Rosenbergs were.

Ethyl Rosenberg's been on my mind today.

Particularly because Trump's old lawyer Roy Cohn was the queen who put her in the electric chair.

Oh dear, r123.

[quote] TRUMP KEPT NUCLEAR SECRETS IN THE TOILET

R117 Breaking news! Russia, Saudi Arabia, and China return stolen documents to the National Archives, declaring, “It’s not worth the smell of Trump’s diapers!”

Can we have a lottery to pick the executioners and then have a Ceaușescu style celebration? With Melania there too of course.

I’m scared. I’m scared of how far reactionaries will go to rage at a world that’s leaving them behind - how far they’ll go for this cult of personality that has defined their lives for the last 7 years.

You know what they say. Rape is no laughing matter, unless it happens to a Trump family member - male or female.

For the first time, I am convinced that this will finally get him. Love the look of the prosecutor. He is straight out of a French Revolutionary tribunal.

Get the firing squads!

Happy 77th Birthday, Trump!

The Dump appointed judge better not fuck this up for us

The Rosenbergs were executed for less than what tRump has done

R111

I can’t get past the shitty (no pun intended) box of Kleenex.

R90

Higgins is from Louisiana.

The trumper judge is just going to throw the case out or something and then he’ll become president again , America is done

Why are trolls like r136 even on a gay site?

r136, take a breath and a step back. Even if she does they can just refile it again and get another judge. Geez, you’re making quite a long leap logically.

Same difference R135

If you watch that Duggar documentary on Prime, you see how people from IBLP get into power positions. It completely explains that judge. It’s what brought us Roller Nazi and a bunch of White House interns and staffers under Dump. They see no ethical dilemma in lying or obfuscating in order to reach their goal in the name of (White) Christianity. They’ll do and say anything - it’s practically bred into them.

[quote]"The Southern District of Florida is one of the few districts in the country that operates under a 'rocket docket' and, in distinction from the District of Columbia, you can expect a criminal case to be resolved within six months of an indictment issuing," Norkin told ABC News. "The judges in the Southern District of Florida adhere very strictly to the Speedy Trial clock, which, with limited exceptions, requires trial or conviction to occur within 70 days."

Lock him up!

String him up!

This is bigger than the media realizes. There's no doubt in my mind that Trump during the whole time he was POTUS, was selling classified information to foreign operatives. China,,Russian, the Saudis, etc.Not just governments, but individuals. And when he left the WH knowing that he had lost the election, he took with him, the kind of marketable information that would "cushion" his retirement. And Jared Kushner is up to his eyeballs in this. Jared is now publicly implicated in the betrayal of Jamal Kashoggi which resulted in his death by dismemberment. Ertogan had the information and used it to extort Trump on policy issues related to Syria. So it wasn't just elling information it was the domino effect of giving the information away. The clumsy rope-a-dope nonsense with Zelensky was the Trump and Giuliani shit show, but it exposed how they operate.

R137 I’m not trolling I’m just dumb

r136 is correct to be concerned, this judge is the worst pick possible

Keri Lake

[quote]Lake: “If you want to get to Trump, you’re going to have to go through me, and 75 million Americans just like me. And most of us are card carrying members of the NRA. That’s not a threat, that’s a public service announcement.”

Can't this woman be charged with something?

R145 r146

r148 - I am r146 but I am not r145, give it up you are no Nancy Drew

Seriously… she’s threatening violence with a gun r147. Why can’t she be arrested? I don’t get it.

R149, I blocked that freak. Talk about posting the most useless stuff…

R151.

They have to recuse that woman. She is being manipulated by people behind the scenes. Her admiration, support and reverence for Trump were glaringly obvious. She even mis applied the law, and misused it. It was disgusting to watch her. In fact I would get some dirt on her and expose her right now. Smear her ass. Make her so busy fighting for her career and her reputation she has no time to fight for Trump.

R151 just for that comment? I’m just worried and overreacting based on ignorance - I don’t pay a fee to troll this site and I really don’t want to make it unpleasant for anybody. I’m genuinely sorry.

This is a clip of Lake making the threat

Russia, Mueller, pussy grabber, Ukraine blackmail with American arms, impeachment, Jan 6th, his children’s grift in the Middle East, rape, election meddling…

And all he has gotten away with over the decades.

History will store him in the company of the most infamous. His family name will be damned for generations.

The GOP is a thoroughly polluted political institution and its acolytes the refuse of American history. Oh there are exceptions, but far too few.

I watch CNN all day and all night

R154, that commenter posts nonstop post numbers (i.e. his post at r148. He’s blocked these posters but still wants to know what they said. That’s all he ever posts. He’s been called out for it but still does it. Block him and look at his posts, it’s all he ever posts.

Anybody else have an image of Trump, on Tuesday, before Judge Cannon winking and smiling at her while she blushes and stifles a giggle?

Dems need to get any dirt they can on this judge. The Repugs would so we need to be smart about it.

I’m feeling quite confident in Jack Smith right now. Let’s leave this to him.

Do people know for a fact that Cannon will be the judge, or is this speculation and worry?

Is that really Jack Smith on Twitter? I was reading his Q&A he did last night.

R163 No. Jack Smith isn't on Twitter.

The who is it posting under his name and acting like he has the answers?

I didn't think it was actually him but when I saw the Q&A I was curious

R165 It's just a political pundit - probably a journalist or former government lawyer - tweeting with Jack Smith as his profile name.

R166 I'm guessing it's the same person who runs the "Angry Staffer" Twitter account who also does Q&A sessions. Obviously an insider who has connections.

r162, as of now, she's confirmed to be behind the bench for Trump's arraignment on Tuesday. Whether it's only for that procedure or she'll sit for the whole trial, I don't know.

This isn't wishful thinking on my part, but, remote as it may seem, I think she herself may recuse, or, ask that the case be re-assigned.

She got her ass-handed to her in a very public way when her decisions were overturned the first time. That had to have hurt, both professionally and personally.

If speculated about in the best possible light for her, maybe she herself thinks she may be in over her head with this case.

On the other hand, that could be all wrong and she can't wait to put her manicured thumb on the scale for Trump.

Pure surmise on my part, but I'm thinking, if she wants off the bench for this, the advantage of her asking the Chief Judge that it be re-assigned is that she can spin it as the best appearance for the case.

On the other hand, if she recuses herself, she'll have to provide the reason for it and I'm sure she doesn't want to do that.

I just heard on the news that Trump will have to surrender his passport next week

I doubt it , R169. She’s a Christian Nationalist - why, I don’t know - and she’s getting her orders from them. Judges are too untouchable.

R166 His profile says "politics and parody," so, no, it's not the real Jack Smith.

R166 please don’t be stupid. Think for about 3 seconds and you would know that a Special Counsel in the case of the century would not be tweeting out a Q&A.

No wonder Trump got 75 million plus votes.😵‍💫

R169 To recuse herself, all she has to say is that, based on her prior decisions regarding this case, it's not in the best interests of the parties involved that she continue to preside.

IMHO, she's in a catch-22 position. She will be damned if she stays and damned if she don't.

R175 There's absolutely no Catch 22 here. She's been reprimanded twice by the higher courts for her WRONG decisions on the special master. A quiet exit is all that's required.

Optimally, r174, I hope she does just that and uses the words you posted.

and what r175 said.

What is it with these old, male MAGA types throwing the young and stupid under the bus?

Corcoran, Trump's attorney, who was up to his eyelids with the boxes of stolen docs, calls in a young, female attorney to falsely sign-off and certify complete compliance with the subpeona.

Now, even though she may not have enough sense to guard herself from herself by recusing, doesn't one of those older experienced judges have the integrity to say that this case needs a more experienced judge, I'll zip on the black robe?

R177 I do believe there's a strong case here to remove Cannon from the case, and I also believe that older, experienced judges will be vocal about it and more than willing to take her place.

[quote]What is it with these old, male MAGA types throwing the young and stupid under the bus?

It's because they are young and stupid.

A lot of these young people are more interested in building fame (so to speak) rather than mastering their craft. So, if you're the much more mature seasoned professional, why risk your job and reputation? Let someone much younger take the hit and hopefully they can bounce back.

[quote]She will be damned if she stays and damned if she don't.

She was damned to begin with.

I excused all the Trump supporters before because they are what they are But I consider anyone that still supports him a traitor to this country.

Early in this thread there’s a discussion of how Trump and his people will excuse these charges…one of the most stunning (even for MAGAts) excuses I read on twitter and later another version on freerepublic was “These countries, including the US, already knew what their military/nuclear capabilities were, so it’s not a big deal that Trump had these documents.”

None of them have actual read the indictment, nor will they. And many believe that the photos included, like the ballroom stage and bathroom photos, were taken during the raid. They weren’t. They were taken by Trump employees. This willful ignorance and head in the sand attitude is not going to change. It’s the mentality of his supporters. The same people who scream and yell about “Do your own research! I’ve done mine!” on COVID vaccines, are the same people who won’t even bother reading an indictment of their guy. How do I know? My fucking partner in his middle aged-worked hard/got some money now-midlife crisis is turning into one. I’m doing my best to prevent it, but you can’t change other people, especially middle-aged arrogant people with money.

DTMFA R182

[quote]This willful ignorance and head in the sand attitude is not going to change. It’s the mentality of his supporters. The same people who scream and yell about “Do your own research! I’ve done mine!” on COVID vaccines, are the same people who won’t even bother reading an indictment of their guy. How do I know? My fucking partner in his middle aged-worked hard/got some money now-midlife crisis is turning into one. I’m doing my best to prevent it, but you can’t change other people, especially middle-aged arrogant people with money.

So what are we to do, R182? Are we to do nothing as a small but very vocal minority subject the majority to its will? I'm still stunned by that Kari Lake tweet of which she followed it up with "I meant what I said." These people are calling for violence. It seems to me that those with level-heads are choosing to remain quiet. I so hope that I am wrong but with this being PRIDE month along with various festivities surrounding it I'm bracing myself for news of a mass shooting and other violence.

Re your partner. I'm interested in discussion and not just idle curiosity but what do you attribute to this change that you see overcoming him/her? There's got to be (or I would assume) some root cause to all of this.

IMO one of the most damaging pieces of this is the human intelligence that would be exposed. Going back to Jared, he betrayed dozens of people in Saudi Arabia who were "close to" the U.S. and sharing critical information.The same thing happened with the Russians. Don't know if Jared was involved, but a significant number of people who were part of our intelligence network got disappeared in Eastern Europe, etc. in the first couple of years of the Trump presidency. And advances in our weapons systems is tightly controlled so that's bad shit too. The other thing is that the speculative stuff like "if we were going to attack Iran here's how we'd do it" is very important. So Trump fucked us big time. Personally. They ought to send him to Bedminster to "rest" and serve him a poison pill. I wish someone from the Intelligence community, maybe in another country would expose Trump. Those people know shit too.

Asfor that judge in Florida, she is bad news. And never underestimate the value of "procedural stuff." It can sink a case before it ever goes to trial. I'm paranoid enough to wonder who is in charge of that circuit. Ev ery Supreme Court justice is responsible for overseeing a circuit. We now have 13 circuits, but which Supreme oversees Florida?

Okay...

This is funny!

R185, Clarence Thomas, of course, is the justice who takes the first pass at emergency applications and such from the 11th Circuit.

R184: I didn’t mean we aren’t to do anything. We have to keep doing what we’re doing. Facts, numbers, proof, criminal charges, electing good people, treating people equally, etc. It’s more of the belief that these people have to hit rock bottom and we can’t change them-they have to do the changing themselves (but probably won’t). And we’re still waiting on that rock bottom for Trump. It’s a personality defect, I think. Stubborn, obstinate, oppositional defiance-disorder kind of defect. And I f it’s not Trump, it’s vaccines, religion, racial bias/injustice, abortion, whatever. They WANT to do the opposite of what is considered mainstream, what is considered “left” and even “center-right” (like Romney). And violence is the norm now. There is more than enough room in their heads to make excuses for ANY kind of mass shooting to be the fault of the left. It will never be their fault. Ever. It’s heartbreaking.

As for my partner, he voted for Hillary. Then something, probably excessive Facebook/Twitter time coupled with getting in touch with all his old school mates (who are wealthy) during lockdowns. He saw their political shit posted on FB/twitter, compared it with his current (some are now former) friends who are more mainstream, and decided which road to travel.

When confronted - I mean really confronted - he admits he’s just sick of seeing “Black Lives Matter”, Muslim bans, illegal immigration, and trans rights and “enough is enough”. I think we all get a bit weary of particular interest groups and their problems. That’s normal for humans. But he’s made it personal. Ironically, he’s also gay of course, and Jewish and extremely alert to any hint of homophobia or anti-semitism from anyone - but only on the left. Even if it doesn’t exist. And he believes that the left is devoutly anti-Israeli/pro-Palestinian which complicates things even more. Three Ivy League degrees and boarding school and this is the result.

Yeah, I’m winding down the relationship. It’s not worth it. Even after 20 years. Sorry for rambling.

Pedophile Michael Jackson and traitor Donald Trump are hiding in Saudi Arabia. Can you tell which is which?

If the MAGA judge delays the case by accepting endless motions & objections, the media will go along with the “both sides have a point” narrative.

I'm really sorry. R188...

Thank you for your insight

R187. He hears emergency appeals / the ‘hidden docket’ coming from the Circuit; he does not have say over recusals.

[quote]he does not have say over recusals.

He does over his own.

R190 Google “rocket docket’.’ Shit may fly, but she can’t delay, delay. Not in the SD of Florida.

MAGA Cannon has already been put in her place by higher court reversals for her overreaching, trump-loving decisions regarding the “Special Master” review of the Mar a Lago docs. She’s lost street CRED pretty quickly among her peers and respected law professionals. I think she’ll watch herself this time. If she starts pulling nonsense shit, I think the DOJ will quickly pounce on her bought and paid for ass.

Will be interesting to watch this twat in action on Tuesday. 🍿

R191: thanks. I appreciate it!

This is what happens when you temporize and have this gradualistic approach. Biden should have dealt with the court by now. He can kill the filibuster and expand the court. And honestly Roberts and Thomas should have been forced to retire. If he'd done it earlier this year the shouting would be over by now, and the indictments wouldn't feature. Honestly I would insist Thomas recuse h imself due to his current messes.And I would bring charges against Ginny. That would definitely distract him. Too many facist sympathizers in key jobs.

Chris Cuomo says there’s no question that there will be NO JAIL TIME for Trump.

Presidents can’t simply deal with the Court, nor force a retirement. Reality Bites.

The historical precedent is Abe Fortes, and that was debacle six ways to Sunday.

Biden can't pack the court because he doesn't have the votes. Judges can't be "forced" to retire

Abe was no Lincoln. It was a bad deal.

Key excerpt shows that the more things change, the more they stay the same…

On June 26, 1968, Johnson nominated Fortas as Chief Justice of the United States, to succeed Earl Warren, who had submitted his resignation effective with the confirmation of a successor.Anticipating that conservative members of the Senate would have concerns about Fortas's liberal opinions, Johnson simultaneously announced that he would fill the vacancy created by Fortas's elevation with United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit Judge Homer Thornberry of Texas. The propriety of the coordinated resignation-nomination on the eve of the November presidential election was called into question by Republican candidate Richard Nixon and the media. By the time the Judiciary Committee opened hearings on the nomination on July 11, bipartisan opposition to the nomination (among Republicans and Southern Democrats) had become well organized. Fortas was the first sitting associate justice, nominated for chief justice, ever to appear before the Senate. He underwent four days of questioning about his legal career, judicial philosophy, and his relationship with President Johnson. Judiciary Committee chairman James Eastland, a Missippippi segregationist, told Johnson he "had never seen so much feeling against a man as against Fortas".

Antisemitism likely played a role in the confirmation battle. Afterward, Eastland reportedly said "After [Thurgood] Marshall, I could not go back to Mississippi if a Jewish chief justice swore in the next president."[32] The National Socialist White People's Party undertook a phone campaign that summer, condemning Fortas as a "despicable Jew with a 'red' record that smells to high heaven." Such attacks were soundly condemned by most senators. Even so, the White House began alerting the press to growing antisemitic opposition against Fortas, and used the issue to garner support for him in the Senate.[33] Fortas himself called the effort to defeat his nomination, "anti-Negro, anti-liberal, anti-civil rights, [and] anti-Semitic."

A great irony, in Biden’s favor: Presidential elections are typically a referendum on the current Administration…something current vs. something new. Biden has the advantage of making this a referendum on a prior Administration that’s already been rejected. Something current vs. something old. It’s a pretty good bet as to the outcome.

You were warned, Donald.

[quote]Chris Cuomo says there’s no question that there will be NO JAIL TIME for Trump.

OH, GEEZ! Who pays Chris Cuomo any mind? He has his own problems...

Listen... anyone with any sense of intelligence already know that the likelihood of Trump spending a day in jail is remote. A nation who couldn't even get Jefferson Davis into a courtroom... a president of an enemy nation that declared war and killed hundreds of thousands of US citizens, what makes you think that Trump will ever see the confines of a prison? However, we have made progress. Trump has been charged, will be convicted, and the Trump name damned in US history. That is if the USA survives.

Chris Cuomo thinks he’s got the answer to all of life’s answers and knows the future. He doesn’t at all. More wrong than just about any other commentator on TV.

[quote]Judges can't be "forced" to retire

Ya wanna fucking bet?

Yes I’ll take the bet. What’s your wager

How can anyone stomach Twitter these days.

[quote]Presidents can’t simply deal with the Court, nor force a retirement. Reality Bites.

Justice Kennedy says hi.

Thanks for your post. It doesn’t prove any particular point, if you’ve read it. Read it.

R211, he chose to step down to help a GOP president. Clarence and co won't step down while a Dem is in the White House

That’s your inference, presented without any actual evidence.

Lock ‘em up

[quote]Thanks for your post. It doesn’t prove any particular point, if you’ve read it. Read it.

Oh honey. We're not in court. I don't have to prove squat.

The circumstantial evidence surrounding Kennedy's retirement is overwhelming.

Houston... we have PROBLEMS!

I’m not your hon. You be you…ass-uming what what you wish. Thank you.

Even if convicted he will never spend a single day in jail.

r219, be here now.

r219, it's a maga, maga, maga, maga world.

The MAGA violence that has occurred, the threats of violence, and threats to burn America down if they don't get their way show them to be a scummy, low-life, dying people. They aren't thriving. No one wants to be them or around them.

You know who does those things? TERRORISTS.

They are TERRORISTS.

I want to know where are all the Amazing Defence lawyers who could be working this case? Yale, Harvard etc turnout heaps each year. America has thousands of switched on lawyers...................................................................................................that's right they know Trump is GUILTY.

[quote] Biden has the advantage of making this a referendum on a prior Administration that’s already been rejected.

Except Trump got the most votes out of any sitting president in US history. The majority supports him, just not the electoral college. Saying he was rejected by Americans just isn’t true, as insane as that is.

A Trump judge who already ruled in his favor against the government in this is overseeing the case. I wouldn’t get your hopes up of Florida locking him up.

Thanks for the news flash, R225. We haven't been discussing the judge at all.

Defense!

It doesn't matter how many votes that fat fuck got - or stole - in the last election. Doesn't matter one bit.

Drip... drip... drip... Indictments... drip.. drip.. drip.. Arraignments... drip.. drip.. drip.. Trials.... drip.. drip.. drip..

It's wearing on an already historically unpopular candidate. Trump's negatives are so high they make Prince Andrew's look good.

He will never, ever, ever be the President of the United States again. He's a professional defendant and a professional fundraiser/grifter. That's all he'll ever be.

On an equally pleasant note, he's taking down the GOP with him, so that's fun.

[quote]Except Trump got the most votes out of any sitting president in US history. The majority supports him, just not the electoral college. Saying he was rejected by Americans just isn’t true, as insane as that is.

You're kidding me coming here to spout that bullshit, R224! Have you ever considered that there are simply just more people and more people who are eligible to vote that exercised that right? AND, that Trump was SO awful that voters came out in DROVES? I'm with R228. I believe that most of that supposed 75 million were "questionable" votes! Don't bother asking me for proof. If Republicans feel that the election was stolen, I can feel the way that I do without offering up a scintilla of evidence to support my position just the same as Republicans. I believe Republicans were trying to "pull a Chris Christie" event and were FLOORED by the number of votes that Biden got. I think they thought at 75 million they would have a massive landslide on their hands. Which leads me to my next aggravation statement spouted by the unwashed Republican ilk re Black voter suppression and that it doesn't exist because the number of Black people and other minorities that voted...

I have personally met 5 Black individuals who had NEVER voted in their lives that made it their business to register to vote and was determined to vote because Trump was SO AWFUL! I'll NEVER forget the gentleman (who cleaned my offices) and I guess needed to talk to someone, that admitted that he had not been the best father for his children but was SO frightened by Trump and the impact that he could do to his children's future was determined to register to vote and vote. He did and even lost some pay in order to vote. He said to me... "I should have done better but if nothing else I have to this for my children and grandchildren"

So, don't come here with that bullshit that Trump got more votes than any other sitting president. Trump was SO AWFUL that people were determined to vote to be a part of helping stomp that bastard into the ground!

Trump is out there lying about President Biden. He needs to disappear forever.

Trump is over. The ultimate, ultimate loser.

Trump got more votes than any sitting president and still lost the popular vote by a landslide because Biden got more vote than any candidate for President ever because the majority of Americans hate Trump that much. Americans hate Trump. Nothing motivates American mores than hatred of Trump.

ElderLez wishes she could vote for Reagan again.

Hey, I just had a really lovely thought.

He could DIE! He could be going through all these trials and stuffing his fat fucking face full of KFC and stressing stressing stressing and then... BLAM! He strokes out watching Shamitty or one of those other Faux Freaks or porn. Keels over dead and it's problem solved. Yay.

I know, I know, we've all been waiting for that wonderful event for many years now but I think our chances are pretty good this time! He's older, fatter, slower, has more aggravation, Ivanka dumped him (or pretended to), Melania isn't divorcing him yet but you just know she charged him a fucking fortune to stick around. He's miserable.

tick.. tick.. tick..

Oh, shut up, r233.

If that's the best you got, you've got no business taking on ElderLez.

r233 is the troll that keeps posting the reply numbers of the posters he has blocked.

R233 has issues, additional to being a Blockhead Queen:

Datalounge is not a "gay men's website." It's a gay website. Rescue Chick is RABID anti-trans. I guess ElderLez is fine with that, too.

Datalounge is not a "gay men's website." It's a gay website. ElderLez admits she gives trolls "a pass" for their trolling activities if she likes them in some other context.

Good to know.

[quote]Trump got more votes than any sitting president and still lost the popular vote by a landslide because Biden got more vote than any candidate for President ever because the majority of Americans hate Trump that much.

RIGHT ON, Elder Lez!!! Why Democrats have failed and continue to fail, to point this fact out is beyond me!

Thank you R238 it mystifies me too.

I was too young to vote, but I had a (handmade) Ferraro/Mondale sign on my bedroom door in 1984. Reagan was despicable and a murderer. The members of a gay men’s intentional community (commune) were family friends and having them sicken and die because of Reagan’s inaction, it still brings me to tears.

Eisenhower was the last Republican President who was worth a damn in this country. The party has been nothing but crooks and thrives at the presidential level since.

r233 doesn't have anyone blocked. She chooses the posts with which she disagrees and pretends she's pulling up their posts via number to then be able to see them. It's all performative and tedious. She keeps a separate laptop or browser (or whatever these fucking trolls use) so that the Blockhead numbers posts are the only thing that shows up for her on this identity's ignore. (She does the same thing with threads she posts in all the time, she'll leave them as stand alone identities)

She would rather die than put any of the people she hates on ignore. She watches them and responds to them all the time, often several times to the same post as she pretends to be different people.

Yes, she's completely insane.

R239 In some respects, Bill Clinton made things worse. Longer prison sentences for things that aren’t necessarily that bad, and NAFTA.

Let's not try and deflect by starting the "whataboutism", R241.

[quote]Hey, I just had a really lovely thought. He could DIE! He could be going through all these trials and stuffing his fat fucking face full of KFC and stressing stressing stressing and then... BLAM! He strokes out watching Shamitty or one of those other Faux Freaks or porn. Keels over dead and it's problem solved. Yay.

I would argue to carry on and convict him posthumously to assure that history is completed.

Longer prison sentences and NAFTA made TRUMP WORSE? This is a TRUMP INDICTMENT thread, you know that - right? You haven't completely lost your fucking mind, right?

Fuck off and die, R241. You MAGAT freaks are such sewer-dwelling rats. Get off of our website.

Bill Clinton and NAFTA made Trump worse. Just go kill yourself, please.

R238 huh? Democrats point out the fact 24/7. Look there, see that White House? There’s a Democrat who lives there.

It’s in no way accurate to say Democrats have failed to let people know that Biden beat Trump…not sure what point you may have wanted to make there.

R241 Nafta had little to no worker protections, nothing for the environment, and a number of shortcomings I don't recall at the moment. But it was al ready in the works before Clinton even though it is laid at his doorstep because it was signed and enacted early in his presidency. As for Clinton, I like him, and I think he is masterful as a speaker . And no one can present the issues and make sense out of things the way he can, but he had some total failures in foreign policy as POTUS. And he really wasn't as Progressive as people assume. First, after the Reagan/Bush disaster, (Reagan was a terrible person and a terrible POTUS>.) a more conservative element of the Democratic Party gained traction. It was called the Democratic Leadership Council. It was the brainchild of Clinton, Dukakis, Blanchard of Michigan, and a number of other governors who felt the party had gone too far left and they wanted it to adopt a more centrist position. In other words tack to the Right. Clinton took positions as POTUS that frustrated a lot of progressive Dems. He had a huge falling out with Marian Wright Adelman's and her husband over his welfare reform initiatives, and dumped a wonderful candidate for the federal court, in Lani Guinier because she'd written papers as a judicial scholar that some deliberately misinterpreted. Lani was also a close personal friend. Ghosted. And yes, the Crime Bill had a lot of bad stuff in it. In order to get the GOP to support it. Whatever. If you want to, you can go back and check out the Clinton PResidency

Honey, I remember the Clinton presidency very well without any prompting. I remember NAFTA very well. It wasn't perfect but it was acceptable to me. The Crime Bill was the best we could do at the time. I don't give a fuck about Lani Guinier. We were all sad to see those Welfare reforms and lots of other things besides. We don't wallow in them 25 years later for fuck's sake. This is why the "progressive left" is so fucking lame and full of shit. You don't know how to win.

You have to remember what it was actually like back then and how fucking BRILLIANT Bill Clinton was at A) running the country and B) setting up political triangulation that the Republicans could not beat. It was a good time in America and he was a great fucking president. All your silly bitching and moaning isn't going to change any of that. Fuck off.

Also, pedantic patronization is not your strong suit. I suggest you seek alternatives.

All your bitching and moaning and complaining

Oh dear to myself, strike that last line please.

R247 NAFTA was basically outsourcing most of the US manufacturing jobs offshore to maximize corporate profits, which decimated many communities across the nation that build the towns economy around manufacturing companies. It was effectively a transfer of wealth from the lower and middle class the the richest 3%. Bill Clinton was a Republican wolf in Democrat sheep's clothing.

Funny, I thought this thread was about...Trump.

OH! R246!!!!

Can we now reminisce about the "Secret Storm" and "The Edge of Night"?

Desperate derailment efforts. Sad!

Trump unleashed a whole world of shit on this country and he can't be gone soon enough.

Edgy, are ya?

Storm’s a comin’

[quote]Trump unleashed a whole world of shit on this country and he can't be gone soon enough.

The shit had already been developing, r253:

[quote]vast right-wing conspiracy

Sister Hillary's looking smarter all the time these days.

[quote] Except Trump got the most votes out of any sitting president in US history. The majority supports him, just not the electoral college.

R224, you might want to check how many votes Biden got in that election. I'll give you a hint: it was more than Trump.

And all they could get her husband on was lying about a blow job, r257.

Yep, R259, they couldn't get her on anything either.

Whereas dumbass dumb as shit Trump...

R224 Trump only won because he had help from his Russian friends. To use one of his favorite words, "rigged!"

Him crying "rigged" well before the election is one way we knew for sure he was trying to steal it.

Trump Projection Syndrome. It's always a sure indication of what he's doing himself when he's accusing someone else of anything.

Actually, I should pay more attention to the wild accusations he's no doubt hurling around. It will tell us exactly what he's doing himself.

[quote] Have you ever considered that there are simply just more people and more people who are eligible to vote that exercised that right?

He received more that Obama. The fact that he got any votes is frightening.

R263 He called Jack Smith "a deranged psycho", so there you go.

[quote]Except Trump got the most votes out of any sitting president in US history. The majority supports him, just not the electoral college. Saying he was rejected by Americans just isn’t true, as insane as that is.

Trump lost the popular vote twice in a row. By very definition, he did not have the support of most of those who cast their votes in 2016 and 2020. Next year, Biden will get more votes than any sitting president in history as well, it's really not unusual for that record to be broken constantly, seeing how the US population is constantly increasing as well.

[quote]He received more that Obama.

THERE WERE FEWER PEOPLE IN AMERICA WHEN OBAMA WAS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT. How difficult is it to understand basic demography, Jesus fucking Christ.

[quote]He received more that Obama. The fact that he got any votes is frightening.

And?

Where do you want to try and take this, R264?

[quote]Him crying "rigged" well before the election is one way we knew for sure he was trying to steal it.

He was priming the pump.

You have to give Trump credit (at least I do) because he "read the room" with precision and accuracy. Silly me... I thought that at the bottom line we would all be for the health and well-being of the nation as a whole. Never, even in my most wildest dreams, did I ever think that there would be a party (or a group of people) more than willing to sacrifice the nation in a quest for power. That's why I no longer concern myself with Trump. He is who he is. My concerns and fears are about those who enabled him.

As the demographics change and are changing, I'm reminded of a statement said by the pundit Zerlina Maxwell...

"The problem with the USA White male is that the only way that he thinks that he can help the country is to RUN IT!"

So what do we do with his fat ass when he’s found guilty in the classified document case, and the Georgia election interference charges? How do we deal with this fucking criminal? I’ll go out on a limb and say, umm, prison time? That’s what people get for committing these crimes, right? But if one says that, the harpies SCREAM to high heaven saying you can’t do that! You can’t do that to a former president! I realize the repercussions, and that we are in uncharted waters, but I still have to ask; what the fuck do we do with his fat ass upon conviction?

He's only running for POTUS for the donation$. There is no way he's moving back to Washington at age 80. And inheriting a rough economy he has no idea on how to fix.

R269, why waste time asking? He gets the same sentence anyone else would get for equivalent crimes. Plenty of elected officials have to gone prison. HE claimed that he was in amazing health, after all. He’d be fine.

His ranting is completely unhinged and disgusting. Yet his faithful audiences still cheer. It’s sickening.

The logistics of trying to put a former President into prison would be astronomical. He would have to have private quarters and so would all of his secret service. If we get that far he will probably be confined to one of his golf courses with no access to media at all.

Eventually they will have proof that Russia got Tromp elected and his name will be removed as one of our Presidents. If he was still living he would lose all benefits but he will be long gone when they prove it.

I know people want to see him go down big time but it won't happen. What people will get is to see the enablers go down and pay for what they supported.

[quote]The logistics of trying to put a former President into prison would be astronomical. He would have to have private quarters and so would all of his secret service.

Isn't GITMO available?

My thought exactly R274. Given the ongoing threat to national security that he represents as long as he lives Guantanamo is really the only appropriate place for him.

Even Prison is the only appropriate place.

[quote]He's only running for POTUS for the donation$

At this point, he's running to "fix" his legal problems -- either by winning and pardoning himself (a dicey proposition but he might get this SC to agree that it can be done) or, more likely, cutting a deal to throw his support to another Republican candidate in exchange for a pardon.

[quote]The logistics of trying to put a former President into prison would be astronomical.

I guess execution is the only viable option, then.

[quote]more likely, cutting a deal to throw his support to another Republican candidate in exchange for a pardon.

I have a feeling that Trump is indeed looking to cut a deal. He's mentioned Nixon being paid $80M a couple of times (what he is talking about and where he got that figure from, I don't know) and a morning headline I saw this morning where he hinted that he is open to a deal if they want him to go away. He'll go away alright, but it will cost somebody.

Set a bar and send him to prison. There needs to be a consequence to set a bar for those who follow.

[quote]He'll go away alright, but it will cost somebody.

I'll chip in a buck fifty.

Catsup!

He can go away if he likes but that won't stop the lawsuits and criminal indictments/investigations.

No deals. If you let this p.o.s. off, there will be another, down the line. And the lax precedent will be set.

I don't care about "logistics". We have sent men to the surface of the moon. We have put apparatus in space, light years away.

"Can't lock up a former president"? BITCH, PLEASE. It has to be done!

He has to be housed securely, if even for his own safety and definitely for America's. He knows things that he will sell. He knows things that can be tortured out of him or seduced out of him. If he's kidnapped from some posh-ass prison or Maggot-Lardo, then America will have to negotiate his rescue. If anything like that happens then the sitting administration will be blamed for "losing" the most important political prisoner in our history.

So, no. When this fat, traitorous fuck is found guilty of espionage, he cannot NOT be incarcerated by the government, for the entirety of his miserable life. Unless they are going to execute him, which I am also fine with. But those are the only two options because of who he became when he was sworn in as 45.

Watching the Sunday shows, it seems the Republican response is going to be some combination of:

"Weaponization of the DOJ against a political rival."

"Selective prosecution; Bill, Hillary, Joe and Hunter should have all been charged with crimes and weren't."

"Republican voters overwhelmingly feel this is a political witch hunt." (As if what people believe has any relevance.)

No defense of Trump's crimes, although some denial that they're actually crimes, a la "The Presidential records doesn't say how long a President has before he has to return documents."

Might not say how long he has to return them, but certainly doesn’t say he can take them in the first place.

DJT did nothing wrong. I understand what he is going through.

GStephanopoulos interviews Lady Lindzebelle.

Can’t believe “National Defense defender” Lindsay Graham is actually defending this. John McCain may rise up and haunt him.

Graham is a sniveling rodent.

Are you saying he’s an effeminate rat? Is that what you’re saying?

Is it really possible that enough Americans would vote for disgraceful criminal Trump to make him POTUS again? The first time was an egregious mistake, but this would be beyond ridiculous.

Fox News leads the Sunday shows for truthful coverage of Trump indictment with “no holds” Barr.

R292 OJ Simpson says no way. There’s at least 70+ million people who say yes way.

Oy!

The new normal:

Mmph... The fatal problem for the USA is every American's need to be on TV and some type of media star...

You’re late to the game R295… he’s already posted his own thread above. 👀

Obviously, OK is throwing his gloves into the ring and angling to be Trump's VP pick.

Their team up would make sense. MAGAts would love it! How has Trump not thought of this, before? Did he just assume OJ was still in prison or something?

Treasonous Psycho/Murderous Psycho ticket

*OJ not OK

OK R298. Are you OK? Cause the original thread re that article references OJ not OK. You OK with that?

OJ? His White Supremacist voters (so that's all of them) are going to HATE that OJ is giving him public advice.

Melania's pretty suspicious of this "advisor" as well.

R299, good you cleared that up.

Wondering what Orville Klyden had to do with is this.

Had Jefferson Davis been executed for treason way back and all of the scumbags in his fake administration executed as well, we would not be here now.

The time has come to right that wrong and enforce the laws of treason to the fullest extent. EVERY LAST PERSON in Congress, the courts, the senate or any of their agencies who aided, abetted or participated in this treason against the United States should be executed.

Period.

If we do NOT enforce the laws against treason, this will happen again and again until we either ENFORCE those laws OR the traitors overthrow the government and we become Gilead.

[quote]Lake: “If you want to get to Trump, you’re going to have to go through me, and 75 million Americans just like me. And most of us are card carrying members of the NRA. That’s not a threat, that’s a public service announcement.”

Oh, I would LOVE to see that stupid cunt and the rest of the "card-carrying members of the NRA"/Meal Team 6/Pride Boys try to get past (1) the barriers set up a quarter mile away and (2) the National Guard monitoring said barriers. That "uprising" will last all of 4 minutes.

Also I hope when Orange Turd turns himself in on Tuesday, they make him spend a couple of nights in jail for continuing to call for violence like the cornered dog he is.

[quote]Had Jefferson Davis been executed for treason way back and all of the scumbags in his fake administration executed as well, we would not be here now.

The biggest mistake that was ever made. I mean most of them (Davis & Confederate hierarchy) expected to hang or be shot for treason themselves. Instead they got statues, schools and roads named after them, and even a holiday in many states.

The failure to enforce the post-Civil War amendments, and the premature end of Reconstruction (in order to settle a disputed Electoral College vote), is as enduring a stain on the Declaration and the Constitution as the original sin of chattel slavery itself.

Truth speaks to power. My favorite professor from undergrad

WOW...

I just watched "This Week" with George (however you spell his last name) and I do know there is a thread somewhere on DL., but huuuuun-NEY! What was Miss Lindsey's problem? Her panties were definitely too tight and definitely twisted!

And... he has endorsed Trump for 2024 already? What's he getting out of this?

^Trump is keeping his secret.

I LOVE ALI VELSHI

I LOVE RACHEL MADDOW

HELL! I JUST LOVE MSNBC AND ALL ASSOCIATED WITH THE NETWORK!!!

For those of us who may have not have the time to read the 50-page indictment document against Trump Ali Veshi reads the WHOLE document (word for word) and presents it in his podcast.

It's an easy and interesting read, every American should read it.

Who's the stud on after Nicole Wallace? Ari or something.

Ari Melber

He's gorgeous. I have such a big crush. (swoons)

R312, Ari Melber. I love watching his beard start to grow in over the course of the week.

What 5 years of fu$king Don Jr. will do to you….

Zapruder...

[quote]r257 Sister Hillary's looking smarter all the time these days.

I suspect things would have gone better had she been elected.

She was only the most qualified presidential candidate in American history.

Ari Melber covers the weeknight 6pm slot on MSNBC.

He is totes adorbs, though I suspect he does not bat for our team.

He's a former lawyer who fancies himself a rap aficionado. And the beard definitely shifts back and forth.

But he is, as stated prior, totes adorbs.

[quote]She was only the most qualified presidential candidate in American history.

To be completely fair the GOP-controlled House would have impeached her in January 2017 over past-due Wellesley College library fines

But absurdly qualified she was. Damn shame US elections have devolved into shitty reality TV.

Hillary Clinton not be coming the 45th President of the United States is one of the biggest self inflicted wounds in American history. May those who did not vote for her perish in an unspeakable way. She would’ve been great. Smart lady. I’ll never get over her loss to the devil incarnate.

It doesn't matter about Hillary. If she had won, the next one may have been as bad as Trump but smarter. That is what saved us, his stupidity. We would have eventually ended up with a person like Trump so better to get it over with now.

I have a question for lawyers (or anyone who would know) My question is probably because I watch waaay too much "Law & Order"

We know that Trump withheld secret security documents that contained nuclear information,

Could the prosecution hold back evidence that Trump sold (or was in negotiations) to sell that information to someone and drop that evidence a more appropriate time? (cue the music)

Unfortunately r322 he was the worst President we could have during Covid

Here's is something to remember: Ideologically rigid people like the Christian Right, and the GOP extremists are stupid. But the leadership, guys like Mc Carthy, Jordan, etc. are irrelevant. We need to go after who is propping them up. And bear in mind it's more than one person or one group of people. So yes, Putin, MBS, Xi from China, but others as well.

r325

Fox News Analyst Jonathan Turley painted a grave outlook for former President Donald Trump following the unsealed indictment alleging he violated the Espionage Act.

“The problem is, [Trump] has to run the table. All the government has to do is stick the landing on one count, and he could have a terminal sentence. We’re talking about crimes that have a ten or 20-year period as a maximum."

I have to wonder. Let's say, for the sake of this discussion, that ...theoretically... Trump was conspiring with Russians and Saudis and whomever, selling our secrets or helping our adversaries gain advantage over us. He was making deals with Xi for licensing agreements and all kinds of shit, and in exchange helping Xi achieve his goals for China at our expense. (Yes we have some evidence of all this, but play with me here. ) So maybe some of the people, big powerful people, he consorted with don't want this to go further. They can't afford exposure. Maybe those people are just middlement for Putin, like Russian Oligarchs with their armies of hit men. So they decide Trump has to go. No trial. cut this off. Do you think there are people out there who think Trump is a huge liability and want to get rid of him?

[quote]We need to go after who is propping them up. And bear in mind it's more than one person or one group of people. So yes, Putin, MBS, Xi from China, but others as well.

Why go so far? Let's start at home first. Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, the Adelsons, Stephen Wynn, Charles Schwab, on and on

[quote]Do you think there are people out there who think Trump is a huge liability and want to get rid of him?

You mean like the entire GOP?

The GOP establishment is TERRIFIED of him. They need his inbred, mouth-breathing followers to form a coalition with more traditional conservatives. If they whack Donald they risk having the MAGA base split off into their own party.

[quote]The GOP establishment is TERRIFIED of him.

I'm sure it is me, but I don't understand this. Terrified of what? Aren't there more Republican voters (and those who would return back to the Republican party) than MAGAt Republicans? Wouldn't these people come out and vote for sensible Republicans rather than these extremes?

[quote]Aren't there more Republican voters (and those who would return back to the Republican party) than MAGAt Republicans?

Republican politicians live in mortal dread of primary challenges if they don't pay at least lip service to Trump. There are more than enough MAGAts to cause havoc.

R330, MAGA would never form their own party without Dump. He’s their whole reason for existing.

The harsh repulican't reality of 2023:

1. There are not enough MAGAT republican'ts to elect Trump on their own and they ain't voting for anyone else; 2. There are not enough "main-stream" republican'ts to elect anybody else and so 3. The "main-stream" republican'ts will just suck it up and vote for Trump.

r331 Trump has something over on all of them thanks to help from Putin. They are terrified that if they don't support him he will tell all. What these idiots don't realize is that no matter how loyal they are to him, when he goes down he will take Everyone with him because he'll be damned if he is going alone.

R331, I wondered the same but someone on DL said orange is blackmailing everyone.

I guess he made a habit of collecting dirt on everyone since his grifting in NYC days (Pecker and the rag). So he already had eyes and ears out. It wasn’t too hard to get plenty of dirt on GQP scumbags in DC.

He’s blackmailing them. He also (allegedly) made the traitors who requested pardons put IN WRITING what crimes they wanted to be pardoned FOR.

They all live in terror of their secrets being exposed or being primaried from the right.

Saudi Arabia now owns all international Pro golf. Donnie can swoop-up partner Miss Ladybug and escape to Riyadh.

Q: "Was that a good look for the former president to have boxes in a bathroom?"

Kevin McCarthy: "I don't know. Is it a good picture to have boxes in a garage that opens up all the time? A bathroom door locks."

I do believe he blackmails people. Michael Cohen said he had naked pics of Jerry Falwell Jr's wife and used them to blackmail Falwell into supporting Trump. And this was before the whole pool boy scandal broke

The thing with blackmail is that it never ends. Even when Dump dies, the material that's being held over their head will just be passed into the next sleezebag to extort them. They ought to stand up. Find their balls. Think of their country, for fuckssake.

That entire party revolts me. Weak ass bitches afraid of a lardass who wears makeup. Embarrassing asf!

More Trumpsters calling for war

R341 Yikes. Reba McEntire ain't lookin' so good these days.

Yeah, that guy at r341 doesn’t look like he’s ready for battle. Maybe a kegger.

"I want blood" - Trumpsters threaten violence

So, how much are these protestors being paid to show up tomorrow?

You mean how much were they told they *would* be paid, r345?

[quote]Yeah, that guy at R341 doesn’t look like he’s ready for battle.

He looks like he's ready for the grave.

^I stand corrected. Thank you, R347

Dondon may not have lawyers hired by tomorrow.

Also, too: Cannon will *not* be conducting tomorrow's arraignment. A Judge Goodman will preside.

(she's a 3-hour drive from Miami anyways, so her assignment is all shades of odd)

CNN's Paula Reid:

Trump Atty Lindsey Halligan is admitted to Southern District of Florida & has previously brought in out of state Trump colleagues *pro hac vice* to work on MAL case….so he has at least one lawyer with SDFL admission if they can’t hire more lawyers before tomorrow.

Why are all of his supporters either 190 lbs overweight or look as if they are the poster people of FACES OF METH?

Trump is the guy who keeps threatening them with running 3rd party. He's been doing it for several years. That's why the less strident Republicans bend over for him. He also helps them raise money. Not because he shares in the fundraising, but because they can use their proximity to him to raise money. The machinery of most state Republican parties has been taken over by loonies loyal to Trump.

[quote]Aren't there more Republican voters (and those who would return back to the Republican party) than MAGAt Republicans? Wouldn't these people come out and vote for sensible Republicans rather than these extremes?

"Republicans are trapped in a Möbius strip of their own misery, a spin cycle of fuckery that they created and that they deserve. Republican elected officials are presumably so scared of alienating the base (and potentially becoming targets themselves) that they continue to support the albatross that is losing them elections and undermining our democracy. Trump has somehow managed to make supporting his fight against the law a litmus test for GOP candidates, so the already slim possibility of defeating him in a primary gets slimmer. He’s effectively being supported by the people who are supposed to be running against him.

With every indictment, the GOP base gets more activated by Trump, but the chasm between the base and the general electorate grows. Yes, the GOP is reaping what it sowed. But we all risk getting buried in the process."

Who made the audio recordings of Trump mentioned in the indictment?

Why would Trump risk alienating DeSantis if he wants to cut a deal? Unless he has dirt on Ronnie, which would make him fall in line.

Trump has darkly hinted that he helped him out. The Gillum vs. DeSantis race is classic Putin hacker shit in a long-hacked state.

Later there was the gay drug trap Gillum walked into which finished his political career (and almost his life- I don't think he was supposed to survive that).

R354 a Jurno researching for a book about Mark Meadows. (I assume there are more taps).

An aide to Mark Meadows. Trump was being interviewed to provide info to Meadows’ ghostwriter — for a pending memoir of his WH service to Trump. Ha! Trump’s ego led him to insist that he get in on it…hubris always brings down the protagonist. If had held his ego in check for a NY minute, there would not be direct evidence on that count.

[quote]Why would Trump risk alienating DeSantis if he wants to cut a deal?

He’s showing DeSantis who’s boss so he can negotiate from a position of strength.

Weak as water! All Republicans, weak as water!

I hope he gets convicted and then gets ass cancer.

R10 This shit is serious. If you notice the tide has changed. Only freak shows like Kari Lake have outright defended him now. Everyone else especially those running for president are just going to stay quiet. Trump is walking around teary eyed. This shit is serious. I haven’t even joked on DL about it because it is serious. And its about fucking time.

R361 Lindsay Graham was on ABC a couple of days ago defending Trump like a rabid dog.

In one of the photos of boxes of documents in a room they're accompanied by a copier.

R362 Was he? Because I thought he all of a sudden couldn’t answer questions. You sure it was since this latest indictment?

My repub friends all of sudden do not want to talk politics. They know.

Sorry, but I’ll believe it when I see it. This guy can get away with anything.

R60 In all fairness it’s kinda cruel to put a former president in prison. The logistics do not work and the security measures would be financially astronomical. Unless he murders Melania he will not see prison. As it should be but this is career ending and forever will poison his legacy. The Trump brand is dead.

R366 Not this my friend. Not this. Trump is ovah. The cunt has been crying; you can tell in his public conferences.

[quote]Only freak shows like Kari Lake have outright defended him no

How very dare you!

R364 Here's the clip. You decide whether he's defending Trump or not.

[quote] As it should be but this is career ending and forever will poison his legacy. The Trump brand is dead.

Is it? Does the Cult agree with you on this?

Oh ok. I stand corrected.

I certainly hope that the trial will be televised. It absolutely should be.

r369, I think Lindz clearly belongs in the "freak show" category

The Trump brand could have died ages ago. But the Media keep it alive because it is profitable. Even if he dropped dead tomorrow, we would be reading about him and seeing stories about him in the media for years to come.

So sad that the writers’ strike is preventing us from seeing Seth Meyers excoriate La Senatrice in “A Closer Look” segment. Lady Lindsay is pathetic: Hunter Biden’s laptop, Bill Clinton, Hillary’s hammered Blackbery, blah, blah, blah. What a disgusting pig.

[quote] THERE WERE FEWER PEOPLE IN AMERICA WHEN OBAMA WAS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.

Give us a number with a link.

[quote] So sad that the writers’ strike is preventing us from seeing Seth Meyers excoriate La Senatrice in “A Closer Look” segment.

No one watches him.

[quote]In all fairness it’s kinda cruel to put a former president in prison. The logistics do not work and the security measures would be financially astronomical.

Trump was never a "real" president anyway.

[post redacted because independent.co.uk thinks that links to their ridiculous rag are a bad thing. Somebody might want to tell them how the internet works. Or not. We don't really care. They do suck though. Our advice is that you should not click on the link and whatever you do, don't read their truly terrible articles.]

[quote]R377: Give us a number with a link.

2008 305,694,910

2023 339,996,563

He started out as a dancer- and in those days that meant queer!

[quote] [R330], MAGA would never form their own party without Dump. He’s their whole reason for existing.

They’ll try to find a successor. Jr or maybe Tucker.

"Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, the Adelsons, Stephen Wynn, Charles Schwab, on and on"

All the rentboys who've been with Peter Thiel need to expose him

Eloquent women of Trump World.

The GQP are doing their best to make sure that by the time the MAGAts' Orange Lard and Savior kicks the bucket, that enough American's ability to vote is crushed or their votes can be nullified should they not approve of the outcome (see: Texas).

We have other, important fights that don't involve Anusmouth which need attention. Stay involved, my friends.

Prison or not. As long as he’s alive he won’t shut up, and the nonsense with his followers will continue.

R383, I was pretty sure at one point that Sean Hannity would take Trump's spot. I'm now thinking that Sean sees all the legal trouble Trump got in, and all the scrutiny and he is rethinking that. I wouldn't put it past Tucker to try. A lot of politicians will try. But Trump didn't come from the world of politics. He was a media creation, a TV "celebrity." And my prediction is that is where the next Extremist leader will come from. All these opportunists scurrying around trying to bury Trump right now like De Santis and Christie are not the future of the GOP.

How is Trump any different from that crazy ass Navy sailor? Dems should play smart and petty and highlight this on their social media.

R390 - Dems never "play smart" and they don't want to either. Those at the top of the Democratic party are the same as the top of the GOP (beholden to corporations and donors) except they're less obviously insane. The Dems are good at throwing social justice/politically correct bones or promises to the public, but their follow-through is always shit.

r389 and r390 blocked as trolls.

NOT r389, I meant r390 and r391. Both Side Trolls.

Your *only* post in this thread, r391?

hmmm

R391 = "Both sides! BOTH SIDES!"

Who is this chicken head lawyer for dump?

J.D. Vance declares he is putting holds on all DOJ nominees after the Trump indictment, except U.S. marshal nominees.

Vance statement reads in part: “If Merrick Garland wants to use these officials to harass Joe Biden’s political opponents, we will grind his department to a halt.”

The lawyer is someone who’s been advertising on a bus stop bench near Mar-A-Lardo.

^^Purely performative, it's not going to change anything on the Senate floor for most nominees.

Who the hell does J.D. Vance think he is??? Our gov't. is not there to play stupid little games. I am so sick of these people running, and I say that loosely, out gov't. It has become a great big game of Na na na na na. This is so ridiculous. We need grown ups in gov't.

Tom Nichols on Vance:

What do we call a man who turns on everything he once claimed to believe? For a practitioner of petty and self-serving duplicity, we use “sellout” or “backstabber.” (Sometimes we impugn the animal kingdom and call him a rat, a skunk, or a weasel.) For grand betrayals of weightier loyalties—country and faith—we invoke the more solemn terms of “traitor” or “apostate.”

But what should we call J. D. Vance, the self-described hillbilly turned Marine turned Ivy League law-school graduate turned venture capitalist turned Senate candidate? Words fail. His perfidy to his own people in Ohio is too big to allow him to escape with the label of “opportunist,” and yet the shabbiness and absurdity of his Senate campaign is too small to brand him a defector or a heretic.

My friend Preet Bharara, the former U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York, tried to describe Vance recently and came up with “pathetic loser poser fake jerk,” but that is a lot of words. To distill the essence of Vance as a public figure, the word that enters my mind is an anatomical reference beginning with the letter a.

I describe J.D. Vance as Peter Thiel's Ugliest Rentboy

Waiting for an updated “tears of Miss Lindzey” video.

Has McConnell said anything yet?

R404, yes, he has. He said he won't be saying anything. No, really, that's what he said.

R391. I don't care what bones they throw they're the only bones we got.

[quote] Fox News Analyst Jonathan Turley painted a grave outlook for former President Donald Trump following the unsealed indictment alleging he violated the Espionage Act.

Does that mean the Murdochs have turned on Trump?

[quote]R407: Does that mean the Murdochs have turned on Trump?

Hon, that happened last year.

Keep 'em coming, kids! We have a new character as well, Carlos De Oliveira. DL fave Waltine was charged in this one as well.

Was he indicted today ?

^ A superseding indictment in the Florida documents case.

Bring back Felony Fridays!

Erased tapes again?

Shit happens.

Keep kicking him in the nuts!

I miss Felony Fridays also, R412.

Hang on tight, R412 and R415. Tomorrow's Friday, and Orange Man's lawyers met with Jack Smith today.

Next up is Fulton County. The D.C. indictments will wait a week or two…

^ Yep, they're putting up barricades around the Fulton County Courthouse. I got Georgia on my mind, too!

erase-erase

The fact the documents were not shredded or incinerated leaves the question of his plans were for them.

Why would have to destroy surveillance if he did nothing wrong?

R421 Yeah. Good question, right?

Ask Dick Nixon! ;)

[quote]Bring back Felony Fridays!

Tomorrow you just might get your wish!

RE-INDICTED AND IT FEELS SO GOOD!

R425 You win DL today.

I hope the indictments keep trickling out every couple of weeks, just to prolong Shitler's agony and legal fees. The more miserable he is, the more joyful I am!

The TV lawyers are saying probably next Tuesday for the January 6th stuff and it will probably be big. Because Trump will not be the only name on the list. I hope and pray Michael Flynn, Steve Bannon, and Roger Stone get indicted with Trump. PRAY!

RE-INDICTED AND STILL MISUNDERSTOOD 🤡

R428, I hope they indict Ron Johnson and the MyPillow guy

I know...I'll indict 'em all and we'll stay all night!

That's where I'm at, R430. Fuck Trump! Maybe he'll get what he deserves one day but, in the meantime, prosecute, jail, bankrupt all the lower/junior level minions.

[quote] The TV lawyers are saying probably next Tuesday for the January 6th stuff and it will probably be big. Because Trump will not be the only name on the list. I hope and pray Michael Flynn, Steve Bannon, and Roger Stone get indicted with Trump. PRAY!

I’m hoping that it’ll be several current members of Congress like MTG, BoBo, Gym Jordan, and Gaetz.

^ And that jackass who gave reconnaissance tours of the Capitol

There are some guys who are stupid, gullible "true believers" and they a re the suspicious, paranoid types, who went along with Trump because they believed there was fraud. They subscribe to the "vast conspiracies " and would refuse to believe that 60 + cases were thrown out of court, and multiple credible sources said repeatedly, there was no fraud. These people are bad people. They are white supremacists, Christian Nationalists, Neo Nazis etc. But they were not part of the planning group that decided they would stay in power and over throw an election. There was the top tier including Trump, Rudy, those lawyers (Powell, Eastman, etc.) Meadows, Stone, Flynn, Bannon. There were the disciples who didn't care if Biden legitimately won, they weren't giving up power, like Jordan, MTG, Gaetz, etc. who supported the conspiracy and helped organize and promote, and wrangle members of Congress. And there were the "true believers," useful idiots, and fools like My Pillow, Mo Brooks, and Gosar, who are evil but couldn't find their way out of a paper bag. Don't no where I'd put craven opportunists like HAwley and Cruz.

R433 what are you blabbering on about? No members of Congress are going to be charged —they’re not the the targets of this special counsel’s investigation. Grow up.

Interesting, R435. What the hell is Miss Lindsey? He's obvious fairly intelligent - and there have been flashes of common sense, or some kind of belief in ethics? But then he turns into a fucking basket case, traitor, bawling his eyes out lunatic.

The only thing that makes sense to me is that Trump's got something truly horrific on him - the revelation of which would destroy what little is left of his reputation (and possibly put him in prison?)

Just a chronology question, to be sure (and, I beg your pardon * words Trump will be saying to a POTUS one day*, I did read the entire initial indictment).

Did the criminal acts described in the superceding indictment happen before the search warrant was executed at Maga-Lardo or after?

I've been very busy and I haven't had a chance to read the latest indictment.

R438 No, and this is what really fucks Trump.

After he had received a subpoena to turn over the documents, he ordered the servers to be deleted and the computer room to be flooded. So that means he knew what he was doing was illegal and was trying to cover up his crimes.

Thank You, r439

It really is like stupid Watergate. tRump is such a moron that I wish the trial could be televised so we could see and hear all testimony and evidence. The ratings would be great!!!

And trump would talk in prison ad nauseam about how his trial got the highest ratings ever.

r439, There's no mention of the pool flooding debacle. I read the whole 60 pages, it's a compelling narrative. Here are the 3 things that stand out, for me;

1.Fuckface kept telling his lawyers that Hillary got away with deleting the emails because she had a smart lawyer who deleted them for her, so they should make the documents disappear for him. "She's smart!".

2.TicTac courier Nauta met the maintenance guy at the property next door to MAL by walking through the bushes (I wasn't even AT Mar A Lardo that day). You want to get in to MAL? Just put on a seersucker suit and sashay through the bushes from the neighbor's yard. WTF???

3. No mention of the Secret Service. Don't these guys follow Trump around all day? Do they take a "see no evil" approach to crimes? IDK

R443, re the Secret Service, I think they pretty much have to witness a crime to testify. They probably weren't in the room with Dump when Dump talked about the secret docs.

The SS don't have to be in the room when DT is in his private residence. Trump is shrewd. He made phone calls to engineer this plot. YOu go, Donnie!! Criminal MAstermind! LOLOLOLOL!

^From one stable genius to another.

R437. Kompromat AND she’s in love with the orange con man. They fool around.

At this particular moment in time, Miz Lindsey is ordering a case of Depends...for herself. She is quietly and fervently talking to the FBI, the DoJ, Jack Smith and Jesus himself in the wee hours. I expect Miz Lindsey is going to introduce an entire new repertoire when she comes out of hiding.

I guess this will all be sorted by 2026(?)

I Love Losing 📺

R445, we know that Trump and his minions communicate by text. Some of the photographs of the stolen documents, for example, were taken by one of the underlings (maybe Nauta himself) and sent to Trump.

He's always been an idiot, but this whole thing really does have a kind of karmic cast, given he's not only being held accountable for crimes, but in other ways as well, by nature of the way things are playing out.

He's a predator (sexually and otherwise), a rapist, a homophobe, a transphobe, a misogynist, a virulent racist, & a classist (ditto Giuliani), who is currently being prosecuted by three intelligent, educated and fairly powerful Black women, and a Black man. I can't tell you how happy that makes me. If I could be there to watch them work on him, I absolutely would. And while I know it must be a fair process (The Law's definition, not Trump's) I hope the same groups (the poor, women and minorities) are represented in the jury selection.

Trump's laziness and habit of pressuring underlings to perform crimes for him, has also (finally) backfired spectacularly, at a time in which he 's facing the greatest consequences of his life. I swear it's like a karmic checklist. And I'm living for it.

I swear he'll haunt us when he's dead, his minions will become like Elvis impersonators, cartoon imitations everywhere. Dee Plorable will insist she saw him at Wal-Mart. He's exhausting.

Agree r453.

IMO, he brings out the primal urge to kill people, blood-lust if you will, with the deplorables. Makes it ok

If he won in 2020, deplorables would have started killing squads. January 6 would seem tame in comparison

My biggest concern with Trump is that he made incivility, meanness, and hate acceptable traits for others to emulate. The irony is that most of those who support him are so-called devout Christians who are dismissing their moral standards.

Poolwatergate

Re: Secret Service. NYT 1/6/23

Among those who have appeared before the Washington grand jury in the past few months or have been subpoenaed by it, people familiar with the investigation said, are more than 20 members of Mr. Trump’s Secret Service security detail.

Trump Employee Number 2, is a turd named Molly Michaels, the pig's executive assistant. I've never heard of her. She is the one who people emailed when they wanted to email TFG.

PS she looks like the hot librarian in a porno. Shocking.

[quote]They fool around.

Ugh, r447. That is one thing I would never want to see. How would they negotiate the Depends? Or would they be part of the raunch???

Even some of the most moronic people on earth are starting to change their small minds.

NPR - Republicans and Republican-leaning independents saying they believe Trump has done "nothing wrong" dropped 9 points in the last month, from 50% to 41%.

[quote]NPR - Republicans and Republican-leaning independents saying they believe Trump has done "nothing wrong" dropped 9 points in the last month, from 50% to 41%.

Let's be thankful for the little things....

Is that a quote from Melania, r461?

Face it R188, your partner is limited.

R188, your partner is a closet MAGA.

The Republican tent is a big closet.

Trump threads are like catnip and porn for the more demented Lefties on the Board

Can you be specific about what you think is demented on this thread, R466? Does "moderate" to you mean accepting of crimes?

Republicans: tough on crime, unless the crimes are committed by pseudo-wealthy white men.

Then the Republicans are as soft as a limp dick desperately looking for some Viagra.

The pace of the legal proceedings is picking up. In some ways this reminds me of Watergate. It’s gaining momentum until it will (hopefully) reach a tipping point. I believe he’s going down. Even if some fool future president eventually pardons him, the disgrace will be permanent.

The pace of the legal proceedings is following the 2024 election cycle.

"I"VE DONE NOTHING WRONG". So what if Tic-Tac boy meets pool boy in the neighbor's bushes?

r438, I think the correct answer is that the crimes (moving and hiding the boxes and lying about it) were committed before, during AND after the subpoena. Trying to destroy the tapes came after they were notified. But there are 37 fucking indictments to keep track of so I may have missed something.

Whatever happen to Blaine Trump? She was quite the socialite back in the day.

[quote]Whatever happen to Blaine Trump? She was quite the socialite back in the day.

Divorced husband and family when she figured out that there really wasn't any money and what little there was wasn't coming her husband's way. She took what she could get and went on to live happily ever after. Don Jr's wife followed her lead.

Thanks r473

[quote]"I"VE DONE NOTHING WRONG".

That's what they all say.

[quote] Trying to destroy the tapes came after they were notified.

Indeed, that is correct. The efforts to destroy the tapes came after they received the draft subpoena and after they received the actual subpoena.

You know, there is something incredibly infantile about this entire episode. I am in no way minimizing the criminality, but simply the way the whole thing transpired. He "steals" classified docs from the WH, brings them to Mar A Lago and hides them in toilets, storage rooms and vacant ballrooms. (on the stage.) He lies about it. They tell him they want them back. He stalls. And stalls. And stalls. They subpoena the docs. He stalls. Then he lies. He finally is served with a search warrant and the feds arrive. He lies. He stalls. He has other people lie. And stall. He has a lawyer lie and sign something that claims they have everything...but they don't. And now he is facing criminal charges and the little people who served him face charges...and they're all still lying and stalling. And it is entirely transparent. They remind me of little kids who close their eyes very tight and believe you can't see them.

R477 That last sentence is a perfect description of Trump's infantile mindset.

"there is something incredibly infantile about this entire episode."

There is something incredibly infantile about Donald Trump.

There is something incredibly infantile about the entire Trump KKKlan.

There is something incredibly infantile about anybody who works/worked for Trump.

There is something incredibly infantile about today's Republican Party.

There is something incredibly infantile about MAGAts.

^ Trump also wears diapers.

Unfortunately, they don't fit him. Leakage. MAJOR leakage.

Speaking of children, POS raped a 13 year old. Note this wasn't even discussed when he was found guilty in e Jean case.

R482...

Sloppy turd.

A dozen eggs are$1.09 at Kroger. Thank Joe Biden!

DJT should have never tolerated his mistress being booed by MAGAs. That was so rude and insensitive.

And Donald Trump is never rude or insensitive.

That spoiled and pampered pos won't last one week in prison. Do any of you think he will? I don't believe he will ever see the inside of a jail. I believe he would run or maybe even suicide. We all know what a coward he is.

I’m willing to put it to the test, r488.

Grand Jury appears to have left for today. Fasten your seatbelts.

If DJT is locked-up with Belle Lindz as a cell mate, he’ll be fine, but will miss the McDonalds immensely.

Trump will never spend a single day in prison. Even if convicted the worse case scenario will be for him to have limited house arrest in Mar-o-Lago, which I'm sure he will violate without any repercussions.

Hunny, I know it will never happen, but I would love to see Donnie face prison in Georgia. A Georgia State Prison. Yeah, baby. They are hell holes. Scary disgusting throwbacks to the '50s. Conditions are just horrific.

Jackson, Georgia would be delightful for the orange menace, Lindzebelle, Miss Rudy, etc.

But why not? Reality Winner had to go to prison for printing out an article.

I really, REALLY hope that old queen Lindseybelle is charged in Georgia. She's been radio silent as of late, so I'm wondering if she's thinking she may be charged...

^she’s talking about abortion.

He's so stupid.

R496 If they could get Lindsay Graham, that would be beautiful.

I certainly hope they get La Senatrice, but he hasn’t exactly been silent this week. He spewed out this nonsense in the wake of the J6 indictment: the proceedings against tRump are not legitimate because Mango Mussolini cannot get a fair trial in DC, and oh, the judge hates him, and oh, DOJ is criminalizing the advice of counsel. 🙄🙄🙄

Delegitimization of the judicial system is a very dangerous path to go down. Lindseybelle knows that and knows better than to do that. But he doesn’t care. Anything in service of Cheatolini. What a slimy worm.

[quote]Sen. Graham says judge in latest indictment hates Trump

Yeah, well, who the fuck doesn't?

Them just my little ladybugs!!!!!

Lady Lindsey should be worried about what could happen in Georgia. Maybe she's already gotten a target letter there and is shitting her petticoats. I find it strange that she's been pretty quiet the last couple of weeks.

TRUMP EXTENSION DENIED!

Do yo' thang, gal!!!

The Last Goodbye (feat. Bettye LaVette)

Sherrilyn Ifill @SIfill_ 1h

Yes. Judge Chutkan is not here for games. You have time to tweet threats and attend rallies you & your counsel can respond to the Court in a timely fashion.

I love her "in the time it took you to file for an extension, you could have answered the request for an order of protection.

He is such an idiot. He does realize that his former VP is going to be a witness at his trial. He’s not allowed to talk about Mike Pence on his Twitter rip-off.

The judge is going to come down like a ton of bricks on him. They better have this trial in about a week or he’s going to find himself in the DC jail without a phone. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

R508 he belongs in jail.

Now they're upset that their tweets (or whatever it's called) are being read...

Mark R. Levin @marklevinshow

Special Counsel Jack Smith is now monitoring social media. Like the rest of the Biden regime, he seeks to destroy free speech. But in his case, by intimidation of a defendant. Who else’s social media is this Stalinist monitoring? It really is time for Congress to step in and expose what’s going on here. America can't allow this Stalinist to destroy the criminal justice system, the electoral system, and free speech all at once.

^^ That's a huge shitload of irony in that one tweet. ^^

[quote] Who else’s social media is this Stalinist monitoring?

Anyone else who is a defendant he’s prosecuting to make sure that they are following the orders of the court and not violating the conditions of their release. It’s his responsibility to the court as the prosecutor. Standard procedure.

Jeez. tRump is a fucking criminal defendant who is facing dozens of charges. He should have thought about the consequences of his criminality before he tried to defraud the government and conspire to reverse an election that he lost. He is not allowed to intimidate witnesses, and yesterday’s tweet (or whatever it’s called) combined with the one calling out Pence is absolutely intended to do just that.

R512, you know the deal with Trumpers: “The First Amendment means that I can threaten to kill you. The Second Amendment means that I CAN kill you.”

LOL! They're trying to build a class action...

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But wait a minute... Didn't Musk fire someone for posting something negative about TESLA?

Found it!

[quote]Twitter owner Elon Musk, who has called himself a “free speech absolutist,” has resorted to firing company engineers who publicly criticize him on the social-media service. In one case, Musk announced the firing in a tweet. In another, the former employee said he was fired after he openly rebuked Musk .Nov 14, 2022

I expect DL prosecutors to complete this in an 8 part thread.

Oh, my!

Send this to EVERY Republican!

[quote]This is one of the most profound videos I’ve filmed since the rise of Trump. I asked him why he was there. Tears rolled down his cheeks. His father who was a WWII veteran (like my dad) told him “We gotta stop this guy”. He was a squadron commander and he lost 110 men and he never got a scratch. And he lived his whole life trying to be worthy of their sacrifice. And he asked me to do the same. So this is a very small thing to do. But why everyone in the country isn’t doing this and trying to understand what this man is doing to our country. I don’t get it. But everybody needs to do something to stop this guy” Please listen to every single word and share. #TrumpArraignment #Truth

Michael Steele @MichaelSteele 6h

Trump continues in witness intimidation. Trump knows this feeds the beasts that want to “hang Mike Pence”. The judge needs to shut this ish down. Now. It will not get better.

Trump's tactics are mafia tactics. He should be treated as such.

R517- thank you-

I hope Fani Willis indicts Trump & co-conspirators within the next two weeks.

This makes Trump’s poll numbers rise? It is the same people that intend to support Trump anyway. They just get more vocal and send him more money.

Donald Trump just released the following statement on Truth Social. He already appears to be blaming the jury for why he might lose in DC.

[quote]"No way I can get a fair trial, or even close to a fair trial, in Washington, D.C. There are many reasons for this, but just one is that I am calling for a federal takeover of this filthy and crime-ridden embarrassment to our nation, where murders have just shattered the all-time record, other violent crimes have never been worse, and tourists have fled. The federal takeover is very unpopular with potential area jurors, but necessary for safety, greatness, and for all the world to see!

[quote]"Deranged Jack Smith and our highly partisan, and very corrupt, Department of Injustice could have brought this Biden "opponent" case years ago, but chose to wait and bring it right in the middle of my election campaign. No way!!! I hope you are watching, America. Our country is being destroyed. Make America great again!"

He’s such a pathetic loser.

Cry more, you sniveling useless prick. Your tears are delicious.

Don't believe his bluster, Dump is terrified. Now he's trying to get Judge Chutkan recused, which will go nowhere. As these cases progress, he will try and incite his crazies to do violence against law enforcement, judges, jurors, Democrats, etc. The question is: are his followers really willing to do that and risk going to jail for him?

R524, not yet. Some talking head said that Trump’s followers are going to be placid for a while, because they still hope that he will be acquitted and/or elected President. When those things don’t happen, then things could get grim.

R525 Check out Twitter. Trump's followers are anything but placid.

R526, they’re always ranting. They’re insane. But they’re not shooting people, at least not yet.

We already have mass shootings every week, so it'll be like another Tuesday afternoon when a MAGAt goes berserk and shoots up a supposed "liberal" gathering.

Wow....

^ Crazy Eyes Cannon is a cunt. And apparently a really dumb one.

R529 R530 She is not an idiot, she is a Trump lackey. Even as a circuit judge she is unqualified, and objectively way out of her league for such a high profile and complicated case. She had already faced a rebuke for how she mishandled and intervened in the previous Trump case.

She’s a District Judge, R531, which is bad enough. She would be a disaster as a Circuit Judge.

R532, it goes like this. the federal court system is divided into Circuits. Currently there are 13 Circuits. (Each Supreme Court Justice is assigned a Circuit to over see. Right now Biden would be perfectly justified in expanding the court to 13 Justices. But that's another thread.) Aileen Cannon was appointed as a federal Judge at the district level, SOuthern District of Florida. There are several districts within a Circuit. The 11th Circuit Court of Appeals oversees the Southern District of Florida. It's Entry level. If someone were to appeal her ruling it gets bumped up to the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals where usually a panel of Appeals Court Justices reviews it and may uphold her ruling or overturn it. (She got overturned and chastised last time she worked with Trump.) An Appeals Court ruling can be challenged too, and it then gets bumped up to the Supremes, if they accept the case. It is possible for a single Appeals Court Judge to review an appeal but usually it's a panel of three. Aileen Cannon is a lifetime appointment to the federal Court system and you can bet that if Trump ever got re-elected and was in the White House she would get promoted to an Appeals Court seat. With her ignorant MAGA ass. .

The thing about Cannon is yes, she is ideologically rigid which makes her limited and on top of that she is incompetent. There's got to be something shady in her background and some Reporter needs to check her out. BUT. IMO she is getting advice and guidance with Trump. But the advice and guidance she is getting is probably from lawyers (and judges) who are just as ideologically rigid as she is . Look at Alito for example. He is dumb. So is Barrett so is Thomas. All these assholes who buy into that extremist doctrine are limited intellectually. They only have safety in numbers.

R533, thanks for the lengthy explanation, but I’m well aware of all of that, having learned it back in law school. I was correcting R531, who erroneously stated that:

[quote] [bold] Even as a circuit judge [/bold] she is unqualified, and objectively way out of her league for such a high profile and complicated case.

What I said still stands. She’s NOT a circuit judge. She’s a US District Judge. R531 was in error.

I’m waiting for this inexperienced, trump-licking twat to fuck up AGAIN, and get her ass handed to her AGAIN, by the appeals court. You know it’s going to happen.

Get this, y'all...

Charlie Kirk @charliekirk11

Congressman @mattgaetz has a BOLD plan he believes could immunize Donald Trump from Jack Smith's politically weaponized crusade: Bring Trump in to testify before the House as a whistleblower, thereby triggering certain preexisting immunity protections.

Will it work? No idea.

But we must reject the premise that the DOJ's political persecution of Donald Trump is somehow legitimate. All options should be on the table. WATCH👇

That’s nonsense. A whistleblower is protected from specific employer-related retaliation, but not from prosecution for criminal behavior.

I'm shocked that someone as brilliant as Matt Gaetz didn't know that, R538.

I posted this on another thread, but in terms of the " guidance " Judge Cannon gets for her various pronouncements, I just found this.

A development. I love that the warrant was held in non-disclosure and even Shitler didn't know about it. This tells us there may be plenty of other instances like this that we don't yet know about. I hope so, anyway. You know this makes him fume

I forgot to attach a link. Mea Culpa.