Just A Reminder: They're Recycling Anti-Gay Tactics...

OP, in Rainbowland it's only a few elderklannies that freak-out about trans. Probably because their castrating mommies dressed them in crinolines.

Fuck the TERFS.

Fuck the bigots.

Amen, r2.

OP that is exactly right. Trans Haters are this generations gay bashers. All the same tactics, all the same hysterics, all the same faux-concern for "the children."

It's vomitous.

Just out of curiosity.

In the 70’s and the 80’s, did gay men want to invite children to everything? Did gay men want to be at children’s birthday parties as drag queens and read stories to them in school for inclusivity? Was Pride in the 70’s something you brought the whole family to?

I’m just asking.

Pride in the 70s and 80s? Are you fucking stupid? Are you hitting the crackpipe again?

Oh no wait, you're just a stupid fucking troll.

Go away, stupid fucking troll.

R5 Ok Jeffery Marsh.

[quote]Pride in the 70s and 80s? Are you fucking stupid?

No YOU are, clearly.

At no point did gay or bisexual men and women demand that people ignore scientific fact or the evidence of their own eyes. We didn’t demand that people ignore our physiological attributes and allow us to insist that we had periods when we didn’t. We didn’t proudly thrash women in sporting events and then stand above them on a podium, unashamed, to steal their medals.

Op Fuck off. Being gay does not require surgery, untested drugs and the world lying that I have changed sex. Fuck the trannys.

^agree

Just a reminder: gender is a social trait and nothing more.

NB.: sex is a an immutable biological fact and does not care about (and is not influenced by) our feelings.

Hi Sveta!

Look, if they're using the fact that the Trans want to make medical transitions for minors widely available, then we need to fucking dump the Trans!

Because protecting children IS more important than hanging together, so we need to disassociate ourselves from this horror and let the fucking trans hang separately. And if the Trans doesn't like it, they leave the damn kids alone.

Oooh who likes pie? 🥧

[quuote]At no point did gay or bisexual men and women demand that people ignore scientific fact...

Oh FFS, R8. Bigots like you CERTAINLY DID claim homosexuality went against "science" and "biology" all the time back in the day - some even still do it now.

Jemus Crispy, if you're gonna try to couch your LGBT bigotry in "science" at least learn some LGBT history.

Here's an opinion piece from1996 saying: [bold]They have found no chromosome for homosexuality. In the medical field there is no consensus of opinion that agrees with the homosexual claims. It is not so because they say it. --- They changed their position out of fear and greed, not out of scientific research.[/bold]

Sound familiar, ya bigoted loon?

R16 Jesus, fuck face. They are not the same.

[quote]Look, if they're using the fact that the Trans want to make medical transitions for minors widely available, then we need to fucking dump the Trans!

That "IF" in your sentence is doing some HEAVY LIFTING there, R14.

The only thing wanted for minors is for appropriate health care as determined by doctors. Nobody is fully transitioning children and you're no better than the the bigots who claim(ed) gays are coming for kids.

So go jump in a lake. BTW does your wife know you lurk on gay websites?

Just a reminder:

The anti-trans loons coming here are just taking a break from jacking off to TRANS PORN.

Look loons, kinks are fine. But you being ashamed of your kink then taking it out on others with bigotry is bad for your health. Just accept yourself and live your life or get therapy.

Some real nutball TRAs up in here, I see.

Trans has nothing to do with homosexuality except that a lot of trans-identified people (possibly the majority) reject their sexed bodies AND their homosexual desires and want to become ex-gays.

And yes, children are being confused by this and some of them — namely the gay kids and autistic kids — are being medicalized. Some of them are being sterilized, mutilated, and becoming lifelong wards of the medical establishment and big pharma. Yay!

Anyone who trots out the old “This is what they said about gays in the 70s and 80s!” needs to get a fucking clue. It doesn’t matter who said what when or if they were even right or wrong. What matters is what is true NOW and what is really happening NOW.

So, FUCK OFF, TRAs. We don’t want to be force teamed with a bunch of mentally ill homophobes.

We’re not Republicans, R19, and we’re not jacking off to trans porn. FUCKING GROSS

[quote]We don’t want to be force teamed

Oh, R20. "We," really?

We know you're not one of the "we" around here. The question is, does your wife know you lurk on gay websites?

The fact is that the old tactics largely derived from what was then conventional or traditional "values," with individuals having to think through old patterns of thought - and to know people in the group being targeted with bigotry and what was hate laws.

Whereas now it's the true, cynical brown-shirt fascist game being used, in which discounted and proven-wrong positions are aimed at and applied to the stooges who've been softened over the last 30 years of careful GOP preparation for the moment - after their successful coups in 2000 and 2016. And, yes, 2016 was a coup because of Trump's active sedition in working with Russia and others to strangle US participation in the emergent international coalition working for equity, climate responsibility, individual liberty, social assurances and a one-world strategy to lift everyone.

This Supreme Court is capable of anything. So are the governors and legislatures in many states, plus many of the courts around the country. Congress is on a knife edge, as it's been for the last 15 years, and filled with the worst pack of corrupt and intellectually flatlining demagogues in our history.

[quote]What matters is what is true NOW and what is really happening NOW.

What's happening NOW, R20, is that THE SECOND they "win" against the trans is when they fully come after us in the same way.

So you helping them against the trans only emboldens them for when they fully come after us. You are a fool.

[quote] What's happening NOW, [R20], is that THE SECOND they "win" against the trans is when they fully come after us in the same way. So you helping them against the trans only emboldens them for when they fully come after us. You are a fool.

I’m sorry, but HOW IN THE FUCK am I “helping” “them” in any way? And why would I lie or passively support a movement (trans) that is regressive, homophobic, sexist, and profoundly harmful? Like it’s going to make any difference at all in the minds of the any right-wing legislator or judge, what MY opinion on gender ideology is. Please get real. You live in a fantasy world.

I will not submit to your demands or to those of the TRAs. Both sets of demands are insane. I will not stop today, and I will not stop tomorrow.

If you honestly think your argument—“they’re coming for the gays next!”—is going to change ANYONE’s mind, you are gravely mistaken. We’re not falling your emotional blackmail.

Damn. Anita Bryant looks like a lez in OP's photo. If she were a self-hating closeted lez, that would explain a LOT.

The gay staff members at the Tavistock clinic used to discuss how they were practicing conversion therapy by giving gay kids puberty blockers because they thought they had the wrong body to match their personality.

And Susie Green, the CEO of Mermaids, would coach parents of "trans kids" on how to get faster referrals to the Tavistock when the kids own doctors said there was nothing wrong with them. That's the Susie Green who didn't like how her son was effeminate and liked playing with dolls so she stopped him playing with dolls and then he thought he was a girl. She started him on blockers when he was 12 and he had surgery on his 16th birthday. She joked that his penis was so small when he had the operation the surgeons could only create a very small vagina.

To the elder gays who fought for gay rights back in the 70s, 80 and 90s, who survived AIDS, is this the future you had in mind for gay kids?

If two things are not the same, false equivalence is not making them equal. If I am giving you the medical advice that living on mountain dew and horse dewormer is not good for you and you scream in response that you feel oppressed and I'm obviously a nazi because - remember Mengele? - it still doesn't justify your position.

Gay people don't go for kids because gay men like men. The trans movement is vehemently pushing the envelope to make hormone treatment and surgery available for children. Mutilating children is wrong. Adult people fucking other adult people? Who cares. I'm sure that sums up the stance of a majority. The "LGBTQ" is largely TRA driven these days because they are the only ones who have any benefit of hitching two causes together that don't belong.

Some here seem to think that the trans community has to be allowed to anything it wants, because any restrictions on trans objectives would give conservatives a beachhead from which to attack gays also. Personally, I think that giving the trans community carte blanche in this way is, in the long run, more likely to harm us than it is to defend us.

Those sickos selling 'tuckable' bathing suits for little boys. I've never heard of anything so vile in all my life

r19 I can't speak for the other states (due to lack of familiarity), but I know for damn sure that the red-shaded (most searches) thumb area of Michigan is Wayne (Detroit), Oakland (Bloomfield Hills), and Washtenaw (Ann Arbor) counties, all VERY true-blue counties. In fact, those are basically the only blue areas of Michigan (mostly in the thumb). The top of the mitten and the UP are shaded blue (least searches).

That article and the tweet is rather disingenuous when you actually look at the graph closely.

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Breast cancer awareness, I give up, I think there are three genders, baby who pukes blue? Help me out, R32.

R27 Oh wow, I'm reading that book right now. It's infuriating. They basically did whatever those fucks at Mermaids wanted them too and they kissed Mermaids ass. Fuck Susie Green and Jeanette Jennings, line them up against the wall!

[Quote]But today's bigots are merely going after them now as a startup to coming back around to going after us.

Start up? The reich-wing are already attacking gay people and gay rights.

The gays and lesbians were starting to become just another piece in the fabric of society and then the trans psychosis came along and we were elevated back to Public Enemy number one.

R32 oh nevermind. The emojis come out very differently on the desktop version of Chrome than on mobile.

I"d like to thank all the anti-trans closet cases for responding to this thread on a gay-centric website.

The anti-gay powers-that-be have now added you to "the list" they keep on us degenerate gays.

Now that you've posted your bullshit, you can go back to secretly jacking off to trans porn. But don't worry "they" don't put you on a list for that because they secretly jack off to trans porn, too.

R38 accidentally posted a selfie

[quote]The gays and lesbians were starting to become just another piece in the fabric of society and then the trans psychosis came along and we were elevated back to Public Enemy number one

Haha. What a maroon.

That shit has been DEBUNKED long ago, R36. We were never NOT their target. They may have quieted down a bit but dipshits like you helped them use the trans to re-gain traction on coming after us. [bold]We've ALWAYS been their target.[/bold]

Most gays know this. We may be silly but we're not stupid.

I agree with r36. And if you can show us, r40, the debunking, I am open to reviewing it.

It was just a few years back that movies, TV shows and even commercials were loaded with positive gay presentations (think American Beauty and insurance commercials).

But as the trans have insisted to promote their victimhood, the acceptance for gay people has receded. These two things are not unrelated.

Yes, there are people who will never be accepting and nothing will ever change their minds except for death. But those open to change don't want every minute of their day being told what to think about trans.

But the whole "look at me" culture has triggered such moderates. You can't just say "we just want to be allowed to live and be happy" and make an issue about drag story time, men competing in women's sport, and medical interventions with children in the same breath.

It is just disingenuous

All you people posting about medical situations etc, [bold]that's not the point.[/bold]

This is about the fact that they're claiming that the mere open-existence of trans people is "dangerous for children." [bold]Which is exactly what they used to claim about gay people.[/bold] (many even still claim this)

If this was only about keeping kids from medically transing then why do they want to ban books that merely have a trans character? Why are they working to keep openly-trans people from being in public or having jobs where they might encounter kids? Why are they working to make laws banning adults from getting trans medical care?

See, they're not only trying to make laws against medical procedures for kids, [bold]they're trying to make laws against anyone being trans in public. Which, again, is exactly what they did to gays.[/bold]

So, I'm not gonna be sidetracked by your "but surgeries and hormones" because it's not about that, it's about erasure from public, which, again, is what they want to do to us and they will go full force if they "win" in their war-on-trans.

[quote] But those open to change don't want every minute of their day being told what to think about trans.

Yeah, r41, because *that's* what's happening.

[quote]But as the trans have insisted to promote their victimhood, the acceptance for gay people has receded. These two things are not unrelated.

Oh for chrissaskes, Southern"Lib", were you home-schooled?

There's no mass transing of children. Stop spreading this lie. You need to be over 18 to receive gender reassignment surgery. Most trans people aren't advocating little kids to be trans. Nobody with sense would not want anyone to go through this. The crazy minority of TRAs do not represent all trans people just like the crazy minority of pedo apologists don't represent all gay people.

[quote]But as the trans have insisted to promote their victimhood

Where are they "promoting" it, r41? Are they coming to your door? Calling you? Let me guess, they've ruined DL and Twitter for you. Oh wait, not DL. We only get anti-trans threads and posts here.

Hey r43, I don't know your news outlets and I will admit that I am hanging on by my nails to NPR.

But I go through other news media outlets and the coverage for trans issues is hugely disproportional.

You know it is true. It is the perfect marriage between a need for sensational media and a small segment of the population that needs that attention because it defines their lives.

What a sad union

Hormone blockers are not medical applications?

[quote]But I go through other news media outlets and the coverage for trans issues is hugely disproportional.

What are those specific news outlets, r47?

WSJ, Atlantic, TNC, CNN, MSNBC, ETC..

Still waiting on the debunking?

A lot of older gay men forget what it was like because their lives are reasonably good now. Add to that the double whammy of the fact that the ones that are still alive survived the plague so they either feel chosen or invincible or less dirty than the ones that got HIV and died. Keep in mind, this isn’t all or even the majority, but makes for a loud, opinionated minority. Those factors create an unusual mix of haughtiness that makes for a condescending attitude that leads to a “I’ve of mine so fuck you” attitude.

I watch a lot of MSNBC, r50, and no, their trans coverage is not disproportional...at *all*. They're covering *actual* issues/events. You can keep your WSJ, I don't give Murdoch my clicks. If you'll notice, the trans stories are about the anti-trans legislation. Trans isn't a threat to our society. But, Southern"Lib", feel free to align yourself with the Radical Right's senseless culture war.

I'm curious as to why some gays on here are so deluded about gay acceptance. Gay teens were still running away from home and killing themselves in the 2000s and 2010s. There the "It Gets Better", "Born This Way" and "Don't Say Gay" campaigns to help fight homophobia especially against young people. Evangelicals were on TV blaming homosexuality for Hurricane Katrina (since New Orleans was a "sinful" city.) There were still sodomy laws on the books in the 2000s. Teachers were getting fired for being gay. Supreme Court legalized gay marriage federally in 2015 and it got tons of backlash immediately. Do you all think homophobes just magically vanished for a period of time and trans visibility just caused everyone to become a homophobe again? Let's get real here.

[quote] Just a reminder: gender is a social trait and nothing more.

Not true. That crap was thought up by the likes of pedophile John Money, who ironically is responsible for a person killing themselves after talking the parents into mutilating their genitals and molesting them.

The people pushing the trans bs have blood on their hands. In 20 years the lawsuits are going to bankrupt the medical industry.

Gender wasn't created by anyone. Every culture has gender concepts. Gender is deeply tied to one's biological sex. However many cultures had more than two genders. Men who took a feminine role or women who took masculine role and dressed in clothing to reflect this. Even homosexual relations were approved this way. Families with no sons would raise their daughters to be be sons. The idea of two fixed genders is very much an Abrahamic concept and Christianity held dominance in the Western world for 2000 years.

Back in the day my friend was the guy who did the Anita Bryant Interview for Playboy. It was a big deal -- the topic, the wide readership, the $$$. He basically lived with her for a couple months, traveled with her to appearances, etc. He knew at the time it would be a lasting work.

Get back to ne when a majority of Ts are committed enough to do surgery; until then it's largely a bunch of abusive mentally ill men trying to wreck women.

To add to r53, an elder gay once said to me don’t kid yourself about straight people liking and accepting gays. As soon as you leave the room the polite heterosexuals will go back to referring to you as a fag.

R53 marriage equality was a hugely popular issue when it came before the Supreme Court in 2015. Activists were able to convincingly show that same sex marriage would not affect straight people’s marriages, there was no sound reason to keep it illegal and it was a genuine civil rights issue.

None of those variables are there for allowing trans women to compete in women’s sports, self ID, or starting to medically transition minors.

[quote] However many cultures had more than two genders.

Yes, ones that wipe their ass with their hands.

R59, that argument only denies the history of the Enlightenment upon which our country was founded. The ideals of the founding fathers would have gone nowhere if they weren’t allowed to grow and expand. To settle into a staid state of stasis is to deny what we as a country are.

Biology IS destiny - so say the TERFs.

They are so tired and dull and wrong.

"They're coming for your kids" was also used against blacks back when the KKK wore white hoods.

[quote]A generation and a half ago, the ideological forefathers of these same people were telling America that dangerous blacks were luring innocent young white children into lives of sex and depravity, with jazz music and the innate sexuality of Black men.

[quote]Just twenty years ago these same people were telling the world that gay marriage would lead to people marrying ducks and goats.

[quote]They always fight this battle, because it’s all they’ve got. They’re intellectually bankrupt, small-minded bigots

[quote]You need to be over 18 to receive gender reassignment surgery

Ahem.

[quote]None of those variables are there for allowing trans women to compete in women’s sports, self ID, or starting to medically transition minors

If this were [bold]actually[/bold] about "sports and minors medically transing" R59, then...

- Why do they want to ban books that merely have a trans character?

- Why are they working to keep openly-trans adults from just being in public or having jobs where they might encounter kids?

- [bold]Why are they working to make laws banning ADULTS from getting trans medical care?[/bold]

Mutilating and drugging is not life saving. You should then be helping an a more if starved themselves because they see themselves as fat. Give in to the delusion of the mental case.

Mutilating and drugging is not life-saving. You should then be helping an a more if starved themselves because they see themselves as fat. Give in to the delusion of the mental case.

Why are conservatives so interested in kids’ genitals?

Oh shut the FUCK up with that tired refrain, R68.

“Why do you care that Catholic priests molest kids? Stop thinking about kids’ genitals.”

Is your IQ 95 or something? Are you juvenile?

In the US, support of LGBT has been steadily increasing over the last 20+ years. This alarms the percentage of US population that never or mildly supported our rights. They believe approval and support of LGBT issues places us on same footing as them. They must always have a group they believe is ‘lower’ on the scale. And yes, dark $ is also funding a lot of these wacko groups . The numbers remain on our side but all can be taken away with maga wins in 2024.

R64 Also Susie Green's kid, also Jazz' poor manly friend Noelle whom Jazz raised money for his surgery. Also countless young women getting double mastectomies.

Support for trans demands and claims has fallen. Gay and trans are not the same thing (duh), and even conservatives recognize that.

When the alt right doesn’t care to put gay people and trans in different categories, it may not be a solution to assign causal attribution to the trans people, when the alt right is doing a lot more than creating laws. People are misidentifying non trans people as trans at this point and retaliating because they feel emboldened. Even if the trans people are doing annoying things, instead of ignoring them, the alt right goes full nazi. Does anyone have accurate stats on how many children are actually being allocated for trans surgery or hormones? I think that the doctors producing medical complications are the ones not allowing informed consent.

The “alt right”, R73? What is that? Do you mean the Republican Party in the US?

Can we please ban the insane TRA shithead who comes onto every one of these threads and tries to malign gay people while pretending to call them right wingers? It claims to be a "gay bear" but I think we all know what we're dealing with.

And also he denies that kids are getting these surgeries. I forgot about that other one, mentioned in Hannah Barnes book, not named, kid who died after his faux vagina went septic. They had pubery blocked him and had to use his colon for tissue.

I’m really, really getting tired of everyone who points out the lunacy and harms of the trans agenda being painted as right wing or Nazis or fascists or now “alt-right”.

“You’re in bed with the far right.” No, I’m really not.

“You’re a far right bigot.” No, I’m really a lifelong registered Democrat and a gay man and there are many, many things that are deeply concerning about trans ideology — and it IS an ideology — that every sane person can recognize.

It's not everyone, R77, it's a few lunatics on here (I'm thinking specifically of one) who infect every single thread where we try to have arational discussions.

OP deserves a big, gay, pro-trans kiss and hug!

I think I need a break from this topic. It's not good for my soul. Seriously.

I'm gonna make a dollface thread about quokkas or something.

R80 That guy is cute too

That Quokka looks like the gopher from Caddyshack.

They call gay people who are critical of this insanity "right wingers" because they are terrified. They are terrified of the knowledge that liberal people will look at the transing of gender-nonconforming kids, autistic kids, depressed kids and gay kids and think "no, this is not okay". They have no support from conservatives and are currently losing the center. As soon as liberals are gone it's game over.

That's some mighty fine eliminationist rhetoric you're posting there, R83.

Such a good liberal you are, hoping all the liberals and trans people somehow are made "gone".

Linking to the motherfucking progressive rag The Times UK.

Now kindly fuck off.

R84, when you post things like "FUCK THE TERFS" you automatically render yourself full of shit.

Bye, now.

You just can’t ever dial the crazy down, can you R84?

Take it up with the Dutch, r76.

The delusions in this thread are comical. You're giving conservatives way too credit here. If conservatives really were supportive of gays and mainly are against trans people then why are they calling drag queens "groomers" and equating drag with being trans now? Why are they including gay people in these anti-lgbtq bills if it's just about trans people? Why are gay teachers being called "groomers" for just acknowledging their partner? Conservatives hate gays and you need to accept this reality even though I know you want these people to love you. It's hard to accept gays are still very much a minority and scapegoat. But you all just want to believe and see what you want to. Every time people bring this up, you go blank and try to derail us like we're 5 five year olds. It's pathetic.

You people are so repetitive, combative and clearly copy and paste the same shit in every damn thread. You will start anti-trans threads every hour which is why Muriel deletes them because they take up the entire front page. It's all stupid and tedious.

R88 is 100% correct. Bravo R88.

Nobody is falling for your lies, conservatives. They're/you're coming after gays as much as trans and GAY PEOPLE KNOW. Conservatives have ALWAYS been homophobic and anti-gay rights and especially anti-gay marriage. Just cut the shit.

You can stop gaslighting us. It's not working.

R88, has it occurred to you that we don’t particularly CARE what conservatives think? I want liberals everywhere to wake up to this insanity and start legislating against it wherever possible—not necessarily with the same laws Republicans are passing or trying to pass, ‘banning drag’ or whatever. This should NOT be a left/right issue. It’s as kooky as recovered memory syndrome and eventually all people will recognize it for the delusional, harmful fad that it is.

R91 What insanity? Why can't consenting adults have a sex change? Who is being harmed by it? It's an extremely small minority that the media is obsessed with for some reason. Clearly you all do care about conservatives because you keep blaming trans people for the rise of homophobic laws and hate crimes. So why are playing dumb and backtracking? Most Democrats just support the right to transition and protecting trans people from discrimination. How is that worse than the anti-LGBTQ laws by Republicans that are harming gay people and trans people? I don't understand

Every day for the month of June, a different employee will be outed.

It's getting to be amusing how obsessed, overwrought and misinformed you are about trans, r91. I don't think you belong in the big city.

So what are you [bold]DOING[/bold] about it R91? Anything? Anything at all? Anything???

Have you written letters to lawmakers? Protested? Contacted GLAAD, PFLAG and HRC? Have you financially donated to a particular cause? Volunteered? Have you written articles for the media? Built a website? Anything?

Or are you just here [bold]whining like a snivelling little cunt[/bold] about it on DL and tirelessly trolling to drum up more hatred against trans people?

R91 most definitely jacks off to trans porn.

R96, I have never once jacked off to trans porn. I don’t think I’ve even seen it.

What makes me want to puke is seeing the thumbnails on xvideos.com/gay for videos where some stud is fucking an FTM chick. Gross! Most big tube porn sites have a Trans section, there’s no reason to shove that shit under the Gay category.

R92 again leaves out the part where kids are getting this done too. And I don't care if adults do it but no fucking way should medicare type insurance cover it.

But it is a left/right issue, Blanche, IT IS. It only becomes more solidified every day on Fox Noise, OANN, Newsmax and etc. It's the new "battle cry" wedge issue for the conservative Nazis in America. They hate Gays, Lesbians, Bisexual

Face it, r91, whatever you used to believe, what you have now is a godforsaken alliance of TERFs, Nazis, the Republican right, the fundamentalist religious right, white supremacists, flat-earthers and so on. This is who you've jumped into bed with, now you're stuck with it.

Also, I believe that you've never jacked off to Trans porn, R91, the correct term for what you do is JILL-OFF.

[quote]and eventually all people will recognize it for the delusional, harmful fad that it is.

Sure, Jan

R97 I hate to burst your bubble but many masculine str8 men like trans women. You see it on Grindr all the time. Usually that porn does have it's own section. I never see on my gay porn sites. Just admit you like it. It's okay..

This chick is fucking evil and it's clear she likes to maim young girls out of jealousy maybe? The fact she's not in jail is insane.

And it imperative to support trans rights not because gay rights under attack are next but because trans rights are human rights. It’s not about strategically including them- it’s about human rights for all folks.

You don’t like that kind of porn R98? Don’t watch it then. You realize how ridiculous you are, don’t you: I don’t like straight porn or twink porn, so, duh, I don’t watch it.

R98 Kids are not getting it done. It's illegal to perform sex change operations on minors. Most people don't get that done until later in life and it needs to be approved by specialists after years of therapy. You know this but want to stir up drama by lying.

[quote]What makes me want to puke is seeing the thumbnails on xvideos.com/gay for videos where some stud is fucking an FTM chick. Gross! Most big tube porn sites have a Trans section, there’s no reason to shove that shit under the Gay category.

Oh...my...GOD, r97, how very dare they. I think I have to sit down...what a gut punch.

R69, why are YOU so interested in kids’ genitals? Fucking creepy man.

Why are you so interested in cutting them off R106?

I’m not, r107. It’s your obsession with them that makes you think I am.

Exactly, r108.

You’re the only one bringing up genitals R108. Find a new TRA talking point.

[quote]Kids are not getting it done. It's illegal to perform sex change operations on minors.

According to an October 2022 report from Reuters, at least 282 adolescents ages 13 to 17 received a gender affirming mastectomy in 2021 and filed an insurance claim for the procedure in the United States.

He knows R111, and he'll ignore that and say again that kids don't get it done. He's like the person in the bike race won by a man thread who comes an ask what medals have men taken from women, despite, you know, the fact that the thread was about a male who took a female's medal.

Children don't have gender-reassignment surgery until they are of age in their particular jurisdiction. That age is usually 18 but can be 16 or 17 in some places.

Even in areas where gender-reassignment surgery is permitted at 16 or 17 it is very rarely performed until 18 years old or later.

R111 and R112 - why do you believe you have the right to tell other people what they can and can't do with their bodies? Why do you think you are entitled to enforce your personal beliefs and values on another group of people.

That's exactly the mindset and behaviors of christains who spend their time vilifying gay people because we are abominations to "god" and tell us how we should act, think and how we should live according to THEIR beliefs. Are you christians?

if you think these extremist right wingers make a distinction between LGB and trans …you are delusional. It’s like telling the SS guard at Auschwitz ‘hey, wait- I’m only half Jewish”. These wacko maga types want us all- all of us- dead and buried.

[quote]You’re the only one bringing up genitals [R108]. Find a new TRA talking point.

No man, you’re the ones bringing it up. And you’re the ones using it as a talking point to try to ban mental health care for kids who may be trans.. We are just curious why you’re so obsessed with the little kids genitals.

[quote] if you think these extremist right wingers make a distinction between LGB and trans …you are delusional. It’s like telling the SS guard at Auschwitz ‘hey, wait- I’m only half Jewish”. These wacko maga types want us all- all of us- dead and buried.

Don't you have any other lines? Hire a writer, FFS. They're all out work right now, so you should be able to get one cheaply.

Proud Boys showed up in Glendale CA today to fight with LGBTQ supporters at a Glendale school board meeting.

The school board was voting on making a statement in support of pride month.

Still think they're gonna leave us alone if we "drop the T", fuckwits?

[quote] Biology IS destiny - so say the TERFs. They are so tired and dull and wrong.

As long as you cannot give people functional sexual organs of the opposite sex, it is destiny. All your faction has to offer is mutilation and butchery.

[quote]And it imperative to support trans rights not because gay rights under attack are next but because trans rights are human rights.

Not if it means taking away rights from my nieces. They play sports and it's not fair to make them compete with boys who wear girl's clothes.

Especially not if it means taking away my rights. I'm a woman. I don't want to use the restroom, changing room, whatever with any man that dresses like a woman. It's not right. People need to stop trying to force this on us. And stop trying to take away my rights.

‘Trans rights’ demands are often insane and harmful to others. So no. We do not support them.

I say that because my genitals matter, my genital preferences matter, the genitals of autistic and gay kids matter, the genitals of women in changing rooms matter, and the genitals of prison girls matter.

See? We’re not just “obsessed with children’s genitals”, we’re “obsessed” with *everyone’s* genitals.

R120 Sounds more like you're against self-ID and lumping pre-op trans women who aren't on hormones into women's sports than trans people altogether. Just say it like that. That's something many people agree on, including myself and a conversation is needed.

But Republicans aren't focused on that. They don't care about women and just want to push anti-gay laws in conjunction with their anti-women laws. Proud Boys and Evangelicals definitely do not care about women's rights either. It's all diversionary tactics.

Those aren’t proud boys r118. It’s Armenian and Hispanic parents of kids who go to school in that district fighting with an antifa affiliated group. The parents are opposed to having pride events at school.

"I am a woman."

"And stop trying to take away my rights."

An entire diatribe about men dressed as women in women's bathrooms and men in drag participating in female sports, and yet not a single word about your female reproductive rights being taken from you.

I smell troll and it's coming from R120's rancid, putrid cunt.

Those are separate issues, R124. Just like gay marriage and males playing as females in women’s sports are separate issues.

Nuance. Nuance. Nuance. Familiarize yourself with the concept.

So who said you get to make the rules, R125?

Big picture: the right wants to take away women's rights, civil rights and LGBTQ rights. You're simply splitting hairs, Davida/Poo Shoes, when you keep trying to divide and conquer.

And once again, you do what you do best when you're confronted with a fact: move the goalposts

Kathleen Stock, on the imbecilic accusations of us “helping the far right”

[quote]See? We’re not just “obsessed with children’s genitals”, we’re “obsessed” with *everyone’s* genitals

Stop thinking about my genitals you kiddie genitals obsessed freak pedophile!

Stop thinking about ANYONE’S genitals!

I’m obsessing about your genitals right now, R28.

Muslims say NO to indoctrinating children with deranged, pseudoscientific nonsense!

R124 Is fucking disgusting and hates women. Rancid putrid cunt? Sorry that yours is an axe wound, just keep dilating. And leave kids alone.

Those aren't proud boys dipshit at R118, go call out Armenians and Muslims, you won't.

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[quote] Big picture: the right wants to take away women's rights, civil rights and LGBTQ rights. You're simply splitting hairs, Davida/Poo Shoes, when you keep trying to divide and conquer. And once again, you do what you do best when you're confronted with a fact: move the goalposts

Oh please go fuck yourself with your bullshit amateur gaslighting tactics. You really suck at it.

Scandinavian countries, a bedrock of European liberal democracy, have all collectively moved away from "trans-affirming care for minors" (aka putting autistic and gay kids on drugs and performing surgeries on them) and are now focusing on hollistic therapy. But yes, keep on calling us Fascists and Nazis and Republicans. It only helps casual onlookers realize how fucking deranged you are.

R135, being called a Republican is making you decide that you might as well just vote Republican, right? Aren't you getting so sick of being called a Nazi that you feel you've had enough and will stick it to The Dems?

We know.

Well, a federal judge has blocked the law that prevents puberty blockers for minors. BUT only for the three kids in the case who were already on them when the Legislation was passed.

And again, it isn't just surgery that is medicating minors. Puberty blockers also victimize these kids.

But I am somewhat seeing the landscape differently. The media might be more responsible for the overexposure. And parents who could more easily accept a miss-gendered child tham a gay one could be more responsible for the harm caused to children

Well, a federal judge has blocked the law that prevents puberty blockers for minors. BUT only for the three kids in the case who were already on them when the Legislation was passed.

And again, it isn't just surgery that is medicating minors. Puberty blockers also victimize these kids.

But I am somewhat seeing the landscape differently. The media might be more responsible for the overexposure. And parents who could more easily accept a miss-gendered child tham a gay one could be more responsible for the harm caused to children

Get the fuck outta here with the faux indignation, R131. You've been called far worse.

Rancid, putrid cunt is almost a compliment, Davida/Poo Shoes.

Well, a federal judge has blocked the law that prevents puberty blockers for minors. BUT only for the three kids in the case who were already on them when the Legislation was passed.

And again, it isn't just surgery that is medicating minors. Puberty blockers also victimize these kids.

But I am somewhat seeing the landscape differently. The media might be more responsible for the overexposure. And parents who could more easily accept a miss-gendered child than a gay one could be more responsible for the harm caused to children

But the thirst for attention.........

[quote]Just a reminder: gender is a social trait and nothing more.

[quote]Not true. That crap was thought up by the likes of pedophile John Money, who ironically is responsible for a person killing themselves after talking the parents into mutilating their genitals and molesting them.

It's an abstract concept. There is sex which is concrete based on sex organs and then there is gender which is based on stereotypes

R136 Keep embarrassing yourself, you fucking lunatic.

Go ahead, explain to us all why some of the most politically and socially liberal countries in the history of humanity have put an end to "gender-affirming care" for kids. Does the GOP have a branch in Stockholm?

I'll be waiting for your answer, but everyone here knows you're just going to carry on with your screeching and name-calling. You have nothing better than that.

They're making trans a wedge issue to deflect from abortion and Roe being overturned, their former wedge issue. It also gives them cover to attack LGB just as much, but if they focus on trans they can recruit LGBs to do their dirty work for them. And so many of you fall for these tactics willingly.

The TRAs think the governments of Finland, Norway, Sweden, France, and the UK are all as conservative as the Republican Party in the US, or that they’re being paid by the GOP to enact these recommendations. LOL

You can’t reason with deranged people.

To all you who knee-jerkingly spout it's about "kids getting transed and women's sports" (aka, people like R20, R27, R28, R30, R59, R76, R102, R112, R130, R135, R137, R142, etc)

Let's be very clear here, the "they're coming for your kids" and "grooming" shit isn't about that, YOU DO KNOW THIS, YES?

[bold]Because they're going after ADULT trans people, ya know, non-sports playing ADULT trans people. Why would they do that if this is "ONly aBOut kiDz and SPortZ," huh?[/bold]

They literally don't want adults to be able to get trans health care AND they don't want trans adults to even exist openly in public.

Adult trans people are having laws enacted that bans their health care. Adult trans people are being banned from appearing in public - the 'drag' bans are worded to affect trans people. So no kids medical stuff or women's sports involved.

So just fuck right off. Because, like the pic at OP, the [bold]"THEY'RE COMING FOR YOUR KIDS" is ONLY about demonizing trans people[/bold] - no specifics, no qualifiers, ALL of trans people. [/bold]JUST LIKE THEY DID (and still do) TO GAYS.[/bold]

Is it legal for doctors to amputate the healthy limbs of people with BIID? Anyone know?

No it's not R146. Remember that old guy died cause he had to find a shitty Tijuana doctor to do it. I don't care if people want to do that but it should not be fucking covered in welfare insurance, if it is, then make boob jobs and calf implants covered too. The hyperbole about banning health care makes it sound like trans are going to be told to fuck off and turned away from doctors, but that's not the case, they just don't want to cover insane surgical options for people. So who's fucking being dramatic now? Derp derp, fuck off

And how funny there's a meme made for that, because everyone knows the women's sports thing and the kids' thing are wrong and shouldn't be done

To follow up on R145 for those like [R20], [R27], [R28], [R30], [R59], [R76], [R102], [R112], [R130], [R135], [R137], [R142], etc)...

If it was only about women's sports and kids medical procedures...

[bold]WHY ARE THEY BANNING BOOKS the merely have trans characters???[/bold]

I think many of you, on both sides of this issue, would do well to hear the perspective of "transmedicalist" on this topic. Just like with the gay community, the trans community is divided on this issue as well. The term "transmedicalist" is even sometimes used as a slur against trans people who stand firm in the belief that being trans is a mental disorder (gender dysphoria) and transitioning is the treatment for it. They tend to hate how being trans is being de-medicalized because it does, in fact, harm those who legitimately have gender dysphoria from receiving the care they need, and also demonizes them.

Most genuine transsexual people just want to "quietly blend in and pass" without imposing on others as much as possible. It's when it became a Tumblr trend and changed to "transgender" that all hell broke loose.

Supposedly that’s what Republicans want to do—ban trans surgery or whatever, cross-sex hormones, for ALL ADULTS, even.

I don’t have a hard opinion either way. On the one hand, you’d think “Do no harm” should govern these practices, but I have no idea if harmful, elective, cosmetic procedures should be banned outright. I could see the case being made for both positions.

At any rate, I think Democrats should wake the fuck up and start proposing legislation banning these procedures for minors, not creating “safe haven” states where kids can fuck off out of their parents’ sight and be sterilized and mutilated.

I, as a gay Democrat, would support that vocally and unrelentingly. If I were a legislator, or a candidate, I would run on it.

Why are they banning books? Because they’re idiots and they’re overreaching, I guess. Who cares?

I still support their efforts to ban medical intervention on trans-identified minors.

It’s not an all-or-nothing proposition.

If they “come for” the gays next, I’ll oppose that. I still don’t give a fuck what their other nefarious plans are.

Why exactly do you think they *need* to “go after” trans people first? Why is that a necessary first step in their grand plan, do you suppose?

I agree with that take, R150. It is obviously a mental disorder. I don’t know that medical intervention in the form of hormones and surgery is necessarily the best treatment for it, but I accept that there doesn’t seem to be a better option, apart from talk therapy (which, to be sure, does not seem to ever really resolve the dysphoria among adults who’ve been lifelong trans-identified).

I guarantee if some deluded soul slaps down 50k or however much, they'll maim him. They're talking about whether this shit should be covered by insurance, it should not. These girls are having like 200k surgery covered by the government, they also hav their arms flayed down to the bone. This is so gross and so obviously a mental illness.

[quote]And how funny there's a meme made for that, because everyone knows...

psst, hey, R145.

There's websites where you can make your own memes. Ya know, it lets you take an already existing meme-type pic and add your own text. It's very much a not-new thing.

The internet is neat. You should try learning about it some time.

So the GOP are really just trying to ban insurance covering trans medical procedures?

And this is what TRAs are referring to as “being legislated out of existence”?

r153 I've said it before and I'll say it again, if it wasn't for trans people like Buck Angel, Blaire White, and Rose of Dawn, I would've remained steadfast in my original opinion that they were just mentally ill and needed talk therapy to snap them out of their delusions of being the opposite sex "in the wrong body." I became more sympathetic to trans issues because of them and see it from a more nuanced lens, now.

That's why I'm so bothered by the radical TRAs trying to push the lie that biological sex isn't real, there's no need to pass to be trans, etc. That flies in the face of everything that actual sufferers of gender dysphoria experience. They're gender dysphoric because biological sex absolutely is real and the only thing that alleviates their dysphoria is passing as much as possible.

So, those burly, bearded, dudes in dresses trying to enter women's spaces aren't even trans. Society has just gone too far with it and by de-medicalizing the condition, they do harm to both actual trans people and non-trans people because one group will no longer be taken seriously and it may become more difficult to get the care they need, and the other group will fuck around and realize they made a mistake, and become another detransitioner horror story because they were "affirmed" for a medical condition they didn't have. It's medical malpractice on steroids (no pun intended).

[quote]Why exactly do you think they *need* to “go after” trans people first? Why is that a necessary first step in their grand plan, do you suppose?

Well, R152, because they can get short-brained bigots like you on their side with the trans thing. Thus increasing their power.

R158, So in other words, they get me on their side by banning trans shit. And then I VOTE Republican because I’m happy about it. Is that it?

And they’re going to take over NYS that way? And ban gay people from existing all over the place?

Also, I have to LOL at me being called a “bigot” because I don’t think kids under 18 should be sterilized and mutilated for a condition that they probably don’t really have.

R156, You do know rightwing bigots ALSO don't want insurance to cover HIV/AIDS care, right?

Because "those mentally ill gays" chose to be degenerate so why should their insurance premiums go to medical care for that.

R160 Lack of nuance with you as the victim. The Halo Effect on all of this needs to end. If we can’t have critical discussion on it we deserve to be wrung out.

I would oppose such a measure, R161, as would most Americans.

Again, separate issues. Gay is not trans. What exactly is your mental condition that causes such black-and-white thinking? Are you autistic?

NYC distributes cheap PREP to gay men, which has drastically cut down HIV transmission in the city.

Which of course is why the GOP has PREP coverage in their sights.

And banning medical coverage of trans people is the way to get their foot in the door to cutting PREP, birth control etc.

If you're too stupid to see that I cannot help you.

[quote]I have to LOL at me being called a “bigot” because I don’t think kids under 18 should be sterilized and mutilated for a condition that they probably don’t really have.

Yeah, but, and here's the thing R160...

We've ALREADY ESTABLISHED the "keep trans away from kids" is NOT really about minors+medical stuff. The whole thread, no matter what people have tried to hijack and turn it into, is about the fact that they are just trying to demonize trans people IN GENERAL, like they did (and still do) to gays.

[bold]You can think it's about women's sports and kids - but the bigots don't even hide that that's not even what this is about for them. It's about demonizing and othering trans people. That's the agenda, plain and simple.[/bold]

Just like they did to us gays. [/bold]And you want to help them.[/bold]

So I’m not a bigot, but they are, R165. Is that what you’re saying? Because I can live with that. Of course they’re bigots, generally speaking.

[quote]Again, separate issues. Gay is not trans.

They're NOT separate issues for the rightwing bigots, R163.

You can try to add your own nuance or willfully disregard their actions, but that don't matter. It's all the same to them.

They're coming after us. Trans are only the easiest target to get things riled up before getting back around to us with the same playbook - because we're ALL THE SAME to them.

I don’t care, R167. Do. Not. Care.

Nothing you’re saying in your attempt to scare us into submission on the trans issue is going to move a single fucking person to your side.

I support DEMOCRATS restricting or banning trans medical interventions on minors. I wish THEY were the ones doing it.

Would you support DEMOCRATS banning medical interventions on trans-identified minors? I’m just curious

[quote]Would you support DEMOCRATS banning medical interventions on trans-identified minors? I’m just curious

I don't know enough about the complex medical issues/treatments involved nor about kids mental/physiological biology to have an opinion on that, R168.

That's a nuance for experts and people directly involved to figure out, imo.

[quote]So I’m not a bigot, but they are, [R165]. Is that what you’re saying?

I don't know if you're a bigot,, R166

The real question is, are you HELPING the bigots? Are you emboldening the bigots?

I would like to help them ban the medicalization of trans-identified youth, R170.

You don’t know enough about this issue to say whether you’d support Democrats banning the medicalization of trans youth?

If you look up "useful idiot" in the dictionary R166's picture pops up.

I never thought I'd see the day when people say teens getting radical double mastectomies is a "nuanced discussion" It's really not and the lawsuits will be flying in the next few years. "Affirmation Generation" is on youtube now. Everyone should watch it.

R173, if you’re referring to my use of the word ‘nuance’, I was writing about the conflation of the various issues re: legislation (passed, proposed/failed/overturned, fever-dream). I don’t think there’s any nuance to the medicalization of trans-identified youth—none of it should be happening. Not blockers, not hormones, not surgery.

Thank you R56. What a fucking retarded comment by r54, which basically denies the history of humanity across literally every culture on Earth. The stupidity of these useful idiots never ceases to amaze me.

On that note: I would LOVE to see a study or survey looking at the link between anti-trans beliefs and years of formal, higher education.

I’d just like to take this moment to reiterate to the unfuckable anti-trans obsessed incels that their deranged rhetoric here over the past year has actually made me MORE supportive of trans rights. So, good job.

Yes, you’re clearly a moron, R176, we’re not surprised you’re turning your insane activism up to 11 as a result of pushback against your incoherent ideology.

And anyone who thinks ‘trans’, the current phenomenon, has existed globally and throughout history is a moron who doesn’t know any actual facts. Transing the dead, the Fa’fafine, Joan Of Arc, blah blah. Heard it all before, it’s all nonsense.

^ blah blah blah go get fucking laid, you obsessed anti-trans loser

I’m gonna get laid tomorrow, R178, and after that I’m going to resume pushing back on your incoherent ideology and emotional manipulation tactics, and I’m going to continue to ignore your baseless, personal attacks, which you make only because you don’t have a coherent, sensible argument to make in favor of quackery, mutilation, and the normalization of profound mental illness.

OMG, do you ever shut up, R178? Ever? Who the fuck could stand to be around you in real life for more than five minutes? I'm guessing no one. You're one of the most obnoxious, over the top pure forms of asshole I've ever encountered, and that's just in online form. You have to live in a walled off fallout shelter because it's the only reason someone hasn't already taken you out for being so annoying.

^ LOL while you continue to post like a triggered psycho, ok. .

Try not to stroke out next time you reply, fatties like you are at greater risk of complications.

Wow, so it’s okay to make fun of obese people but not morons who think ‘gender identity’ should trump sex? Okay. Not very progressive of you, cunt.

R179/r180, awwwwww did I hurt your feelings? Or was it the mythical trans boogeyman(/person). Would you like to point to where on the doll the trans hurt you?

Identify as thin and you shoud be fine. We're now being told to ignore all of our senses and accept things that people tell you despite having eyes.

R182, bitch, shut the fuck up. First off, I don’t identify as “progressive”. I’m socially “liberal” but I am not politically correct. And yes, you’re still probably obese and unfuckable (and probably also work a dead-end job considering how much time you anti-trans-obsessed dipshits have to post on here).

“I’m gonna get laid tomorrow, [R178], and after that I’m going to resume pushing back on your …”

I’ll take, “Small Dick Energy” And “Types Bad in Bed” for $500.

Where do you live, R186? I’m in NYC. I’ll meet you tomorrow and show you how “fat” I am and how “small” my dick is. Deal?

Yes, OP. That train has left the station. They probably hate us more than the Ts.

R187, oooooo, so scary!! Tough guy wants to meet me! Lol.

I am in NYC too. If you really did meet me though, I’m sure you’d take a good look at me and my build and probably walk away, being the little pussy twerp you (and most your ilk) are. Almost all of you losers that sit behind your keyboard and post your propaganda are twerpy incel faggots IRL that would get their asses kicked by a 3 year old girl.

I’m not retarded enough though to dox myself on a forum like this. You’re more than welcome to, however.

I didn’t mean I wanted to meet you to FIGHT you, R189. I just wanted you to see my tiny dick and my mounds of fat rolls.

Jeez, so touchy and VIOLENT. Do you normally inspire people to walk the other direction when they hear you coming?

Depends. Sometimes I do.

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[quote]I didn’t mean I wanted to meet you to FIGHT you, [R189]. I just wanted you to see my tiny dick and my mounds of fat rolls.

He's a millennial r190. Our generation has issues with violence.

I blame our music as youth.

And R189 goes into full homophobe mode, of course.

You know what would help DEFEAT the Republicans? If the Democrats woke the fuck up and started enacting SENSIBLE legislation to halt the medicalization of trans-identified youth. Somebody has to do it anyway—why are the Democrats giving this gift to the right?

If Democrats reversed course on this issue—let’s say they looked at the entirety of the evidence base, as five countries across the Atlantic have done, and come to the same conclusion as them that there is no evidence to support the medicalization of trans-identified youth—there’d be no fucking way they’d lose votes ON THIS ISSUE to the Republicans.

Every sane people is going to eventually realize, if they haven’t already, that the US needs to reverse course on all things trans. How many ‘wins’ the Democrats want to hand over to Republicans is up to them, I guess.

*Every sane person

R194, no, I’m entirely into men (particularly masculine men), sorry. But just like Blake people reserve the N word to describe the ignorant ghetto types among them, “stupid faggot” aptly describes the useful idiots here promoting the same right-wing narratives that have been lodged against people just like them not that long ago.

* Black

[quote]But just like Blake people reserve the N word to describe the ignorant ghetto types among them

Uh, no nigga. That is not how we use that word at all. Stop using us as an example to justify your shitty attitude. Especially when you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

And with that, goodbye forever (hopefully), R197.

Accidentally W&W’d R197 as I was on my way to blocking him, LOL. So that one W&W is from me and should be disregarded.

^ poor thing can’t handle mean words! 😢

Now this is how you just know r195 really is probably fat lol not a single guy I know IRL seriously into fitness (naturally hairy or not) would feel so triggered by men manscaping. This just screams F A T:

“How did manscaping become a thing? When you meet a hot, handsome stud after he’s worked a long, HOT day, and he unzips and whips out a whopper, surrounded by a forest of unruly pubes, and the pube musk is so intoxicating that it’s almost indescribable… THAT is pure sex. I don’t know how anyone cannot love every moment of that.

If you don’t love it, you ain’t cut out for sex.”

R199 = stupid faggot.

r204 Um. Excuse me. I'm a dyke. Thank you very much.

^ Do you need a new mammoth-sized vibrator? Maybe that might help you find peace with the tranz?

R199 This.

The N word just basically means “dude” in the black community.

R195 I don’t agree with this.

Trans people do exist 100%. Gender dysmorphia is real.

But what we’re seeing today is Buffalo Bills in “Silence of the Lamb”. Jame Gumm was rejected medical treatment for a sex change because he wasn’t really transgender, he just hated himself and wanted to be someone else. And that’s why he made his skin suit.

And that’s what we’re seeing today. The rise of transgender people now is full of autism, self-hatred, people looking for escapism instead of real body dysmorphia. Young girls who hate that their bodies are turning into women, autogynephilia, narcissism, attention seeking, rebellion, social awkwardness, homophobia are reasons why people are transitioning today and it’s wrong.

There’s just no regulations.

The fact that it’s being diagnosed as an illness yet treated like cosmetic surgery is the problem too.

[quote] I hate to burst your bubble but many masculine str8 men like trans women. You see it on Grindr all the time.

Straight men are not on Grindr, you moron.

R209.

R208, I agree with everything you wrote there, but I’m curious what part of my post you don’t agree with and why.

The tavistock was putting kids on hormones by the third visit and if they didn't, Mermaids would come down on them. They basically were terrified of Mermaids and did whatever they wanted. The founder of mermaids had a gay son and didn't want that so she took him to Thailand at 16 to get his dick fileted. These are the people that were running the trans kids stuff in the UK. I hope they get sued so fucking hard, and not just the Kiera Bell suit, but others too. The individual doctors can explain why the fuck they based treatment on what a PAC group essentially told them to do.

REPUBLICANS OVERTURNED ROE AND THEY'RE COMING FOR GAY RIGHTS NEXT.

Jesus fucking Christ, all this nonsense attacking trans people when the same people are coming for us too is ridiculous.

WAKE UP. THEY'RE PLAYING US. YOU'RE HELPING OUR ENEMIES.

There’s basically no gatekeeping in the US, either, depending on location. The dreaded Matt Walsh is doing an exposé on the situation. His associate was approved for testicle removal after a less-than-30-minute phone call.

Agreed. They're so transparent. I sometimes read a 'gender critical' topic on another message board and they're often veering into barely concealed homophobia.

Their anger when it comes to the 'Pride' moverment is where it's most apparent. They know damn fine that Pride is largely by and for lesbian, gay and bisexual people, but they pretend their objection to it is solely due to trans people (which is nonsense).

It seems worse in the USA than the UK, which isn't to say the UK is safe. It didn't work back then and it most certainly won't work now.

They seem to forget gay people are part of so many people's lives and measures such as same sex marriage are now the norm. So their attempt to resurrect homophobia is never going to work. I suppose it'll take them a while to work that out, though.

Still waiting for the transactivist lunatics to explain why Scandinavia, the single most liberal region on planet Earth, has backtracked on "trans-affirming care for minors". Have all these countries been taken over by MAGA?

Why are these TERFs so intersted in children's genitals?

Why do trans have that creepy flag with pink and light blue baby colors?

R213 it’s called nuance. Yes, they hate gays, but the T shit is getting extreme.

[quote]Still waiting for the transactivist lunatics to explain why Scandinavia, the single most liberal region on planet Earth, has backtracked on "trans-affirming care for minors"

Why are you posting that question on this thread, R216?

This thread, per OPs pic, is about how today's anti-trans bigots are using THE EXACT SAME propaganda that was used against gays years ago.

You do know they don't merely want to ban medical stuff for kids, right? They want to ban trans people from EVEN BEING AROUND KIDS in any way. They're literally banning books that merely have trans characters.

So take your "just asking questions" subject-changing somewhere else.

Yes the Republicans are overreaching with some of their stupid, extreme bills. We know this already. We don’t all agree with those bills. We agree with some of them. And concerning the ones we agree with, the question posed by R216 is relevant.

r221 The mistake was demedicalizing gender dysphoria and turning it into a sociopolitical issue instead of the mental health issue that it is. Had TRAs fought to get it labeled the disorder/disability that it is, Republicans would have a hard time drawing up bills to limit their access to treatment because of the Americans with Disabilities Act.

Under ADA, trans people would automatically have job protections, healthcare protections, etc. TRAs shot the entire trans community in the foot with the demedicalization efforts. Now a lot of people don't take it seriously as the mental disorder that it is.

The TERF movement is an anti-gay hate group.

We all know this as fact and it is becoming more and more apparent.

We actually don't know that. But it's what you'd like everyone to think.

Why do they want to be around kids? who the fuck wants to be around kids? Not I! And I fucking side eye anyone that does.

[quote]Why do gays have that creepy flag with the rainbow baby colors?

-R218 circa 1970.

I'm willing to bet most gender criticals haven't even met a trans person, they've just decided trans people are everywhere and are all trying to get into women's toilets. If they're honest, I bet the majority have never seen a trans woman in a female toilet.

Also, they can't seem to make their minds up, because they'll say all trans women are pervy straight men who want access to single sex spaces to perv on women, but they'll also say trans women are really just effeminate gay men who should be supported rather than allowed to trans themselves. They can't both be true.

R223 is correct. I wish more people here would speak up. The inundation of anti-trans trolls here coincided with DeSantis's rise and the rhetoric shift from abortion to LGBTQ rights on the right. None of this is by accident. It's the same movement, the same enemies who've always opposed gay people, but gay people on DL are all too happy to join in when it's trans that they're bashing. Meanwhile these same trolls hate gays just as much and would see all of us gays in force-conversion camps if they could. It's clearly their end goal.

R228 Thing is, we're giving them ammo by replying and I include myself in that. If we ignored them, they'd mark DL as a difficult target and would move on. I do try to ignore most of their topics now.

[quote] The inundation of anti-trans trolls here coincided with DeSantis's rise and the rhetoric shift from abortion to LGBTQ rights on the right.

No it didn't. I'll say it again... you SUCK at gaslighting.

I wish Muriel would do more to stop the trolls from infesting this place.

R229, you are correct, but what pisses me off the most is if you try to rebut the trolls, Muriel gives you a time out. Meanwhile, the trolls continue to post unfettered and undisturbed, giving themselves W&Ws along the way.

Just this morning, there was some asshole posting here that homophobic cunt and Russian agent Tulsi Gabbard was a true hero and patriot. Did Muriel put a stop to that nonsense? Hell no!

R231 I think some of them do get silenced by FFs but it's clear they've got multiple accounts so once one account gets silenced they move to the next.

If we all just FF'd the homophobes and trolls and didn't engage, they'd move on because being silenced and getting no reaction will kill a troll.

R232 so weird. Trying to shutdown others.

"Multiple accounts" and not multiple people. And "they don't give this stuff to kids" followed by reeing about how so many kids (that they dont give this to, I thought) will suffer without this "affirming" care. But they don't do this to minors though...

R227, it is true that ~half (who knows how many?) of trans-identified males are gay men who want to be ex-gays. Some of them will be mentally ill with the potential for/propensity toward violence (see: the “I’ll cut you” black tranny with the razor blade on the NYC subway a few years ago). But mostly they’re harmless.

On the flip side, there are predatory men who don’t have dysphoria but ARE sex pests and autogynephiles (straight men who have an erotic fixation on cross dressing which can become a full time endeavor). Not all of them are going to pose a physical threat, but they are perverted in other ways, using unsuspecting women in semi-private spaces for their own sexual gratification, through ‘flashing’, etc.

Most trans people aren’t a threat to anyone.

Women still have the right to privacy and dignity in single-sex spaces.

It is likely the case that the physical threat to women in bathrooms has been vastly overstated.

[quote] Just a reminder: gender is a social trait and nothing more.

Just a reminder—it’s only a crime if you get caught.

The battle of the definitions is so much fun!

R8, Maybe you haven’t been paying much attention but bisexual men and women have been the biggest pushers of trans.