Leslie Van Houten should be paroled court says

Judge praised her

It's only ego that makes us think we are able to rehabilitate anyone like her she's just proven to be a really good liar. She's a piece of subhuman garbage and she should rot in prison until she dies.

She was convicted, was granted temporary freedom in the late '70s, and was given THREE trials. She's been given more leeway than most. Newsom is also not going to grant her freedom because there are still people like R2, who feel VERY, VERY strongly about this solved case 50 years later..............

Newsom was overridden by court

If she didn't want to be in prison for so long maybe she should have died sooner.

She’s getting out

California has become a disgrace.

This decision can be appealed to the California Supreme Court. There was one dissenter for the Appellate Court decision (2-1). I wonder if the parole board's recommendations were unanimous. I doubt it.

Politicians shouldn't have anything to do with parole boards. Makes it near impossible for a "fair" hearing because there's no penalty for a politician who always votes NO on release. But if they vote YES and the person commits a crime, it is a campaign issue against them. And in Van Houten's case, she doesn't need to commit a crime to make it a campaign issue.

In the 90s a rapist was released from a parole board that included a lt. governor. So of course the rapist went out and raped again a few months before election day. Half the ads on TV were about that. You'll probably be shocked to hear that lt. governor didn't get elected governor that november.

OP = John Waters

She has a debt to pay to society. She took part in taking innocent lives. She doesn’t deserve one herself.

I hope the living relatives of Sharon Tate and the other victims get together and make whatever is left of Leslie's life a living hell.

She should just stay in prison until she dies. She has no business walking among us. She'll be miserable and it serves her right.

Good.

She was involved with killing the La Biancas, not Sharon Tate.

R14, and yet Debra Tate still manages to make LVH's parole hearings all about her....

Free Leslie. It's time.

Whatever R14, there are plenty of Manson victims to go around.

Leslie Van Houghton stabbed Rosemary LaBianca in the back and ass 16 times. This, after she had already been attacked by Tex Watson and some other Manson girl, I forget which one. Maybe Krenwinkel. Then Leslie wrote on the walls in Rosemary's blood.

The fact remains, some mistakes are built to last and the Manson murders qualify. Van Houghton should never get out and if she does, I hope she dies a lingering and painful death during whatever time she has left on this earth.

Good for Debra Tate, she kept faith with her murdered sister.

Burn in hell Leslie Van Houghton, obviously she will but I just wanted to put that out there.

Bump she could be released before 4th of July

Fuck you, R17!

Aside from a few speeding tickets over the years, my record is clean as a whistle.

Van Houten should never be released. She's become and exceptional liar and actress but she is still exactly who she was when she committed the murders. Some things are too horrible and can't be undone.

Two female judges were moved by her tears and 𝑠𝑖𝑛𝑐𝑒𝑟𝑖𝑡𝑦. Chaney and Bendix.

Was it really determined exactly what she did that night? I’m not defending her believe me, but I’ve read so many different things. Plus, during the 1st trial when all the followers were still rabidly devoted to Manson, she gave conflicting info, sometimes exaggerating and making shit up. I think. I’m not even clear on that.

I can understand why people don’t think she should be set free, but my issue is that I don’t think any of the remaining women are a threat to society. Yet, criminals who genuinely are still threats get released and commit more crimes all the time. Why should the infamy of the case determine the punishment? Why should the tax payers cover the cost of housing people who are no longer threats to society? On the other hand, I get it. It’s about punishment not just whether a person can rehabilitate herself.

You can thank Rose Bird for keeping the Manson murderers alive and avoiding their proper punishment.

Bird was the first and remains the only Chief Justice to be removed from that office by a majority of the state's voters.

R22, the problem is the notoriety of the case. Charlie Manson never killed anyone and he died in prison. Maybe he killed some small-time guy named Shorty out in the desert but maybe not. Manson was a liar and he was certainly never tried or convicted of Shorty's murder. Certain cases take on lives of their own. They become larger than the people involved.

As for Leslie Van Houghton, yes it's fairly clear what part she had in the murders. I've read several different accounts of her actions and they are all fairly similar. Leslie and Patricia Krenwinkle were supposed to kill Rosemary LaBianca or finish killing her after Tex had already done some damage. Mrs LaBianca was still alive. Krenwinkle tried to kill her, stabbed her several times and I think strangled her as well (or that may have been Tex with the strangling) anyway, then it was Leslie's turn to finish her off she went for the back and buttocks and stabbed Mrs LaBianca 16 times. Then she wrote the now-infamous Manson "slogans" on the walls in Mr and Mrs LaBianca's blood and then they went on their way.

There was a very good reason they gave Van Houghton the death penalty. It was (and still is) incredibly rare for someone that young and a female and white to be sentenced to death in America. Her sentence should have been life without the possibility of parole.

We voted for Trump!

[quote] She was involved with killing the La Biancas, not Sharon Tate.

And?

[quote] Charlie Manson never killed anyone

That’s still in question.

[quote] Charlie Manson never killed anyone

Using that logic, neither did Hitler or Osama bin Laden.

[quote]As for Leslie Van Houghton, yes it's fairly clear what part she had in the murders.

I said FUCK YOU!

I'll sue for slander!

R17 I don’t disagree with you I was just pointing out a fact.

R26 “And” the person got it wrong so I corrected it.

Who da fuck is Leslie Van Houghton???

Doesn't matter whether she's a threat or not.

No matter how directly or tangentally, she participated in one of the most brutal crimes at the time. Sure, we're inured to it now after all the crap we've seen. But, what Manson et al. did at the time they did it was so far outside of society's boundaries that it reflect a much more significant transgression than many more seemingly brutual crimes occurring today.

Prison is about three things - the order of importance of which varies: 1) punishment; 2) deterrance; 3) rehabilitation.

Doesn't matter whether she's a model prisoner. Frankly, the fact that anyone would hold her up as a role model is disturbing. Anyone capable of committing crimes like hers is broken person who doesn't deserve sympathy.

Leslie was resentenced and given second degree murder sentence . This gives 25 to life . She has been a model prisoner and a mentor to other inmates. When she was granted parole in 2017, the warden of the prison and several correctional officers hugged Leslie !

I do think what happened to the Labiancas was horrible and brutal .

R23 wow on the teeth. You would never see a professional now days with messed up teeth like that.

Who among us hasn’t made a few mistake in our teens?

JK.

Actually wonder if she wants to be patrolled. Imagine would be hard for her after the regimented life she’s lived.

[quote]Actually wonder if she wants to be patrolled. Imagine would be hard for her after the regimented life she’s lived.

If she were released, she would be richer than any of us before she died. The fascination with Manson continues to be strong. The laws preventing criminals from profiting from their crimes are easily circumvented.

Leslie has a lot of support on the outside including possible housing in Manhattan Beach

UK here. Her situation reminds me of Myra Hindley, who was so notorious and reviled that no politician would have dared to support her release. She kept on applying for parole until she died. Van Houten would probably attract revenge attacks because she has maintained a high profile all these years. She is safer living her days out in prison.