Joaquin Phoenix to star in NC-17 gay romance film by Todd Haynes

No gay actors to be found for the role? We really truly suck at this whole acting thing, don't we?

Not surprising though, when even gay directors like Almodóvar and Guadagnino won't lead by example.

R1 ... and by your logic no gay actor should play a straight person?

I really hate when queer directors do this

At the very least they should only announce the project when both actors are cast and at least one of the actors should be openly gay

The upcoming “History of Sound” with Paul Mescal and Josh O’Connor really irks me because they announced that with both actors already cast

If we want openly gay actors to play straight characters, then we should be open to straight actors to play gay characters. Do we really want to pigeon hole gay actors to just gay characters. Choose your battles wisely.

I think we’ll end up back where we used to be: Straight men playing straight men and straight men playing gay men. Only closeted gay men will be cast.

Coming soon: straight men playing women.

le snore

Ugh. Who wants to see a gay romance with an ugly man? They tried that with Billy Eichner.

PS, for all we know, Josh and Paul may be gay.

R9, Joaquin Phoenix is ugly

R7, Ron DeSantis will ban it

Joaquin is a phenomenal actor, he'll do great.

Who's showing peen?

Gaybaiting:

During production: “our movie has tons of gay content!”

Day before premiere: “the gay content got edited out, sorry, not our choice, didn’t serve the story, so sad, too bad…”

I love Todd Haynes, but I couldn't be less interested otherwise.

As long as he looks fresh and clean, I would not kick Joaquin Phoenix out of bed.

[quote] "Gaybaiting: During production: “our movie has tons of gay content!” Day before premiere: “the gay content got edited out, sorry, not our choice, didn’t serve the story, so sad, too bad…”

Todd Solondz did that with "Storytelling", R14. I still haven't seen that movie. I refuse.

Joaquin always looks like he smells bad

He's so fucking weird.

Is it wrong to say the wrong Phoenix brother died?

R9 Is Joaquin Phoenix considered ugly? - non gay

R19 You don't know if his brother wouldn't turned "weird" as well

The ugly, wrong, should've died instead Phoenix brother, Joaquin, and the overrated, Oscar bait, bore snore Todd Haynes. Hard pass. We have the opportunity for a major, gay, NC-17 film and of course it's by these two uninteresting lumps instead of Noel Alejandro.

R5 Let me guess, Kevin Kline in In & Out is your idea of a gay masterpiece. Straights already have the power. No matter what, straight actors come out on top. They get bigger paychecks, more leading roles, and they win the major awards. Giving them the green light to play gay isn't the honorable and equitable action you think it is. All that does is keep gay performers sidelined in favor of their straight counterparts.

More gay men need to be cast in major roles, more gay men need to be cast playing gay characters, and more gay men need to win major awards for playing gay characters. Right now, the Hollywood hegemony have no incentive to change the status quo in favor of gay guys playing gay in major films and receiving Oscars for it. In a more just world, Ian McKellan would have an Oscar.

The only gay guys who win Oscars are those who work behind the camera as producers, writers, choreographers, and in some rarer cases, as directors. When Joel Grey won he was "straight" and not living as an openly gay man. He played the game and did what many who came out later in life did, feign sexual ignorance or lean on bisexuality as a palatable copout to avoid professional ostracism.

That's why Murray Bartlett's Emmy win for The White Lotus was a big deal. It doesn't happen. It's why Billy Porter inching ever closer to EGOT status matters. They'd rather give the award to a straight guy or closet case than someone openly gay.

NPH revitalized his career by playing straight because that is seen as more valuable. It's also why Jodie Foster and Frances McDormand get too many Oscars for playing tough, unglamorous women. Masculinity is prized (even on DL) and anything feminine becomes fodder for jokes or subject to the hypersexual male gaze. Ana de Armas got an Oscar nomination for a shit film because she played a tragic whore and showed her pancake titties.

Fuck all the basic gays who think "Call Me By Your Name" is a masterpiece. Go eat a peach!

Big deal. If you read the article, this is a story Joaquin brought to him. He wanted to make this movie. No one else was making it, so he’s not taking a role from a gay actor. He might even be bi, who knows.

This reminds me when the TRA attacked Scarlett Johansson for making a movie about a tranny that almost none of them knew.

Joaquin turned down Brokeback Mountain because he didn't want to do the sex scenes.

Unironically that was the case in ancient Greece R7

R23, you right-wingers are trying to brand drag as "womanface" so shouldn't it also be wrong for a straight woman to play a trans person?

I am sick of those fugly gay-for-payers... ah wait its not porn

R22 Too long, didn't read

I'm gay and couldn't care less who plays straight, gay, bi, or any character. It is acting, elaborate make-believe, not a Civil Rights march.

The actual high up show biz types simply ignore those nibbling around the edges making all the "queer" arguments, they don't give a shit.

Signed,

All the Goyim in The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel

I love Todd Haynes

Joaquin Phoenix is repulsive.

18 years ago Phoenix was originally set to play the Jack Twist role in BBM but he backed out due to prior commitment. Better late than never.

R1, What makes you think one wasn't found here?

How do we know it’s already NC-17? Has it been completed and submitted to the MPAA?

[quote]Is Joaquin Phoenix considered ugly? - non gay

Yes. He has a cleft lip, ffs.

R35 Yeah, but apart from that? I see a lot of, to me, ugly guys being praised here. He has facial hair most of the time, so you don't even see the cleft lip.

P.S. is craft lip something that can be fixed with plastic surgery?

Joaquin is 48 so will probably be 49 by the time this goes into production. We all know gay life is Logan's Run where you are dead by 30.

Maybe it's a gay remake of Logan Run's, about aging twinks

It says Joaquin co-wrote it with Todd, not that he's starring in it.

Haynes is the most boring director out there. Everything is done. slowly. for. no. reason. He also gets terrible gay performances out of these straight actors. They all seem morose and stuck in tar, like they've all been lobotomized.

Disagree, I think Haynes movies are always well-acted. Love Far From Heaven and Carol

[quote]How do we know it’s already NC-17? Has it been completed and submitted to the MPAA?

They'll film it without regard to whether it gets an X, then, if it does, make a few cuts to get it down to NC17.

Far from Heaven was better than Carol but they were both just so static and robotic, especially any scenes expressing emotion. And, don't get me started on the really bad sex scene. The acting in Carol was terrible across the board. Blanchett's worst performance.

R42, there is no actual X rating from the MPAA, only G, PG, PG13, R and NC17. X is a non-trademarked self-designation in the U.S. If a film is deemed too explicit for even an NC17 rating, it would just be unrated. Some cinema chains won't even show NC17 or unrated films.

[quote][R42], there is no actual X rating from the MPAA, only G, PG, PG13, R and NC17. X is a non-trademarked self-designation in the U.S. If a film is deemed too explicit for even an NC17 rating, it would just be unrated. Some cinema chains won't even show NC17 or unrated films.

Yes, I realize that. I was just shorthanding that they will film without regard for rating and being too explicit by saying "X".

[quote] Yes, I realize that.

No, R45 you did not.

[quote]No, [R45] you did not.

LOL - think what you want.

[quote] I really hate when queer directors

I stopped reading there.

[quote] Coming soon: straight men playing women.

Have you met the trans community? That’s already happening.

[quote] Gaybaiting:

[quote]During production: “our movie has tons of gay content!”

[quote]Day before premiere: “the gay content got edited out, sorry, not our choice, didn’t serve the story, so sad, too bad…”

That’s not what gay-baiting means, gramps.

[quote] I'm gay and couldn't care less who plays straight, gay, bi, or any character. It is acting, elaborate make-believe, not a Civil Rights march.

The woke crowd lives their lives through make believe. If they can fix Hollywood then every problem in real life is solved. These people are emotionally stunted.

[quote]I'm gay and couldn't care less who plays straight, gay, bi, or any character. It is acting, elaborate make-believe, not a Civil Rights march.

While I generally agree with this, I also do recognize the need for greater representation. There's a reason why Nichelle Nichols was so beloved for Uhura. There's a reason why having an openly gay character on Dynasty was such a big deal or why the first gay kiss on LA Law mattered.

There are nuances to this issue. Sometimes it does matter. However, not nearly as much as twitter would have anyone believe.

Todd Haynes shot his wad very young, imo. After that there is more money more cinema but less art.

Hiio

More than a year later ... an update.

Danny Ramirez has been cast as the love interest.

[quote] Is Joaquin Phoenix considered ugly? - non gay

He has a fucking cleft lip. YES.

I thought he was pretty sexy in the movie Quills. But, really, only in the movie Quills.

Joaquin is an excellent actor and I'm sure he will get the job done well. As long as the director doesn't stifle him.

Nevermind

[quote]Joaquin Phoenix exits Todd Haynes’ next film, production in chaos

Red tagged trolls live to keep their old threads alive.

Was Dante Gill even "transgender", r23? When she died in 2003 it's unlikely she'd even heard that word. Did Gill really consider herself a man or was she simply a butch lesbian who felt it was easier, in her social world, to act as a man?

R26, both Scarlett Johansson and Dante Gill are female.

Drag queens are not "woman face" - that's biological men who claim literally to be women, which is false. Drag queens don't claim to be women.