Why majority of gay pornstars are bisexual and not gay?

Or as Zeb atlas when interviewed would always say "I hate labels, just call me sexually fluid"...

I think you've had enough, OP. Time for bed.

But Zeb Atlas was so fugly r1 Plus sexually fluid= bi but afraid to say it.

I'll take "Signs You're Watching Too Much Porn" for $200, Alex!

They're gay but say they are bi because they think it makes them more desirable OP.

I’m a photographer / videographer for porn stars.

I’ve said this before. There are straight women who make out with women for attention, there are straight women who only do lesbian porn.

We know lesbian porn is 95% fake and gay for pay but when it’s men doing it, it’s this big controversy and heated topic.

Look, if less than 10% of the US is LGBT, then like 5% of the US are gay men. Then in that 5%, who is good looking and has a porn aesthetic from that group and then who is wiling to do gay porn. It’s a SMALL pool.

And gay men are more prudish than you think. I know a gay porn star who left a great job to be a porn star but a lot of gay porn stars are straight guys who were down on their luck and needed money.

Most of the men I work with are construction workers. All muscle, no brains and they would rather fuck men than do 12 hours in 90 degree weather doing construction and get an income that matches construction.

And I’ll tell you this filming straight guys doing it. It’s not that sexy. 2 hours of farting contests and goofing around cut down into 15 minutes of sex. If any of you were on set with gay for pay, you’d understand how easy it works. Some of these guys are great friends with each other too.

I don’t care about a porn performers sexual orientation.

I don’t care if the off set they are celibate or asexual.

In fact, I would come closer to caring about their politics than their sexual orientation.

I knew a gay porn photographer who said the same too. Straight guys from trashy european eastern countries, drugged out of their minds, needing cash for their family, the atmosphere on set is anything but sexy, even he admitted that it was creepy and gloomy. Some of them have part or their sphincter removed surgically to make the butt sex easier. Just desperation and drugs.

Sexually fluid = Into water sports

R8 your post so incredibly stupid I’m actually embarrassed for you.

If they can’t afford drugs without doing porn then they can’t afford to pay for a surgical procedure, which I doubt exists anywhere except your childish brain.

Next week, I’m going to have a surgery to remove all of my joints and muscles

Sexually fluid means straight but willing to use Viagra.

Just lol at r6 First of all want it or not but it majority of female pornstars are bisexual; according to 2012 survey 67.1% were bi and 32.9% were straight, assuming not all females perform GG its safe to assume 70-80% of lesbian porn stars are more or less BI not straight lol. G4P girls would be minority...obviously. Yes its true 7.1% IDENTIFY as LGBT but that number is much lowered by older generations; among gen Z (which majority of gay pornstars will be) 20.8% identify as LGBT.... other study found that only 53% of gen Z were exclusively attracted to opposite gender. So lol at using % to justify that delusion.

You obviously don't know bi guys... Most of them will try to appear as masculine and broish as possible, fuck and date tons of girls etc. And The only thing that distinguish them from straight guys is dick in their ass and mouth and male nudes.... So obviously most of those pornstars are bi as they enjoy the fuck and hook up with guys.

Can I ask for which company you work?

They had to remove sphincter to have anal sex? I thought all the company could fund was frontal lobe removal which would explain their twitter rants.

What a sacrifice for a STRAIGHT guy; just for 500-1000$ to give up their ability to hold fecalmatter.

There are far more criminal and criminal adjacent (construction workers without bank accounts as mentioned) bis and straights than there are gays.

Why majority of weekend thread are mangled syntax? And I am talking already way before Boris trolls wokity woke woke.

I was a photographer for Nextdoorstudios in 10's and basically almost all the whores I worked with were bisexual narcistic dumpfucks who despite getting less than 1000$ per shoot became exclusives just to get off to idea of being important to someone( someone= old sad queens who will pay for any piece of ripped tattoed white flesh). I have lost count how many times I had to tell Quiton Gainz to stop sucking off everyone on set(ur not on Sinard's party bitch) or stand Donte Thick's smell and hair style. I heard similar stories from other sets too. Hope this helped.

Matt Hughes did Gay (He fucked/sucked and got fucked sucked).Then as Danny D he fucked fish with condoms.

There's also an MMA fighter named Matt Hughes so I'm sure he wasn't to happy sharing a name with a gay pron star.

r6 is REALLY invested in having everyone think all gay porn stars are actually 100% straight.

We've seen you all over DL proclaiming all closeted celebrities are "straight" as well.

Hi!

I'm Marketing!!

I'm why so many gay pornstars are bisexual!!

Because regardless of their actual orientation, you gays are just far more into them if you think they're unattainable.

Or that you can be the one who turns them on to the joys of gay sex.

They are stand-ins for all the straight guys you had crushes on when you were younger.

So of course I am going to tell you that they are straight... and that after a year or so of sucking dick and fucking ass they've decided they are bi.

Check them out.

Pay us money.

You know they're so much hotter than some gay guy!

r18 the irony where their girlfriends think they are gay cause they Beg for threeway with other guy and strap on, they think they are bisexual cause they get off to both guys and girls and r6 believe they are 100% hetero cause its the only way he can get it up and "they are too masculine to be gay".

A few months back we had a verified poster who had a 'gays fucking pussy and becoming straight' fetish and would constantly post links to Twitter accounts that shared the same fetish. The entire movement had MAGA undertones but that's to be expected. He eventually got red-tagged.

tomato tomata - potato sucks cock for payotta.

You're what you are when you're not being paid to do it.

And, OP, your head is simplistic.

You won't get paid for THAT.

Because the audience wants to see dudes that represent the popular fantasy male prototypes—conventionally masculine bros and dudes. They want guys who seem credible as frat boys, athletes, construction workers, thugs, Alphas, and blue collar mainstream dudes. Sadly, most openly gay guys are not credible as mainstream masculine fantasy bros.

Can you stop bringing Collin Simpson to this thread r22

R3.. zeb atlas is hardly "fugly"....

I do wonder though in regards to zeb since 9 out of 10, if not 9.5 out of 10 of his scenes were him as the masculine in control musclebound "daddy" with half his size, half his age, plain in the face looking twinks, if 1) he had to use viagra for these scenes with these co-stars? or 2) if perhaps he was attracted and turned on by these twinks? You know opposites attract and all??..

r6 2 hours of farting? So you just worked for Michael Lucas?

Sorry but despite fake cum most of those guys were bi, Duckface has aversion to genuine g4pers.

Bi includes guys who are fine with occasional str8 sex, but NSA only, Kinsey scale 4 - 5. In my opinion, the "equal opportunity, it's all good, 50/50 hole-or-pole?" Kinsey 3 isn't as common as assumed. Kinsey 2 would be the type who could do gay stuff as a "job" - the ones who need Viagra often, or get an exhibitionist thrill to get hard.

Nah r28" type who could do gay stuff as a "job" - the ones who need Viagra often" would be Kinsey 0 as they wouldnt have any sexual desire for guys no matter how hot and slutty they were. Kinsey 2 would be just bisexual who prefer girls but like sex with both and like to play with both on regular basis.

Maybe it's part of the job description to be able and willing to fuck whatever, whenever. They don't want to limit opportunities that could translate in cash.

Ha, R25!

No r30 that would be pansexual

Its just that obvious that there are tons of bi men and many of them decide to take a path of porn because they have no problem fucking both men and women and since they enjoy it, more power to them.

So you suggest most gay men are limp wristed nelly woke Queens, so the producers need to go to those masculine, hot bisexual and straight hunks r24 ? The level of self-loathing is beyond.

Since when bisexual guys are unattainable r19? Some self loathers are just turned on more if they know this dick visits vagina on a regular basis, it doesnt matter if his owner also like to visit assholes.

No matter how much the media wants to distort concepts, once you voluntarily bang another man (even if it's just for money) you're not str8 anymore. You're bi. PERIOD.

R35... exactly! ask 100,1000 10000 straight men if they would have sex and on film with another guy for just how much (we're not talking hundreds of thousands of dollars much less a million or more!) everyone of them would say HELL NO!....

Not to mention if you get hard and stay hard with viagra or not with a guy then yep, you're not 100% straight and at best your 50% i.e. bi!..

OP simple fact Very few are straight/asexual Majority is bisexual Many are gay From experience at industry parties End of discussion Move on

They won't plow your hole

R33, just because the truth is unpleasant doesn't mean we all are obligated to pretend it's not so. Unfortunately, the large majority of gay-identified men in porn tend to be effeminate, stereotypical, or otherwise not exactly the ideal representation of what the masses consider to be fantasy male material.

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Hi, Marketing again from R19

Do you all really not get it?

If a guy, no matter what is actual orientation, can present as straight, then I will tell people he is straight because that gets clicks and sells videos.

r40= Sean Cody's owner

Wait a minute.

Nowhere did I say all gay or bisexual porn stars were straight.

I thought we were talking about gay for pay.

I’ve worked with straight guys on their OnlyFans. I’ve filmed them doing straight scenes and I’ve filmed them doing gay scenes. It’s night and day.

They can stay stiff and tall when they work with women but their dicks melt and wilt every 5 minutes on and off for an hour shooting scenes with men. You have to fake penetration scenes - if you can film it going in and get a few shots of penetration then you can just have them hump each other for the rest of the shots and make it all look great in editing.

I’ve worked with everyone. I got my start working with a full blown lesbian who only did straight porn. Now she only does dom work with men.

Honestly it’s not a matter of image. Oooh he’s straight. If a porn performer tells you he’s straight, to me, it’s a heads up that it’s going to be a long shoot that requires extra work to accommodate him.

The other thing I’ll mention is men make more money doing gay porn.

Straight men doing straight porn are at the bottom. Women make the most money, then gay porn stars, then trans, then straight men.

Just look up any of the major porn agencies - they have maybe 5 guys on their roster vs 50 women. Porn studios use the same 10 guys over and over.

If you’re a straight guy your best bet is to move to LA. They don’t want to work with you if they have to pay for you to travel. Most of the guys who work for Brazzers and etc live down the street.

I’m not denying bisexuality or whatever, I’m simply saying there are straight guys doing gay porn.

The title of this thread is literally why many guys in gay porn are BISEXUAL r42 Assuming you are not making up this stuff name few "straight" guys you worked with on OnlyFans. And why would you work with a literally straight guy (who is probably mediocre) when you can work with many hot bisexual guys who would stay hard without problem.

r43 Jesus, nobody is denying sometimes we get some extremely desperate straight as arrow whor... performer but bisexuality seems to be quite common phenomena with many shades like you can prefer men/women/like both equally etc. Also like it or not but bisexual guys almost always fit into that "straight" "masculine" look porn companies are looking for.

I mean masculine bisexual young guy who either prefer women or like both equally is a PERFECT model for porn companies - he has the "masculine" desired look and behavior - since he like guys he has no problem performing passionate and convincing sex scenes with men - he is gay enough to enjoy gay sex but not gay enough to date men

Its porn producer and directors wet dream, so no wonder such guy will be prefered above literal straight fuck.

R44 Because you take on who is there, who is willing, and who is good looking.

I’m not in LA or Florida. Even in LA and Florida, men are flown into those states to work.

Just look at a site like Sean Cody, they’re based in LA and they fly guys in ALL the time for work. And that’s the porn capital of the US. So there’s even a shortage of gay / bisexual men in LA who want to do porn too.

And with that said, I work with guys in my area. This idea that there’s a shitload of bisexual or gay guys looking to do porn everywhere, you’re wrong. Which is why even in the capital of porn, they’re flying guys in.

So yeah a straight guy who wants to make money and is willing to give you a cut off his OnlyFans monthly wants to do gay porn, why would I turn it down?

R45 Nobody is arguing that.

I talked about straight guys I worked with and why they do it and why they’re in the industry and got shit for it.

I’ve worked with bisexual men too. I’ve worked with everyone - women and men. I haven’t worked with trans because there’s just none that’s ever reached out to me but I would.

I know it's not something you probably thought about r47 but how many men in porn are gay/bisexual/heterosexual in %s, its always fun to put a number.

Like someone put gay/bi/hetero at 35/5/60% [like Elliot Finn] What is ur %.

Gays are classier and more prudish. Straights and Bisexuals are more likely to commit violence or have sex addictions.

Anyone who works in the adult film industry will tell you it is harder to get a gay man to do porn. Gay men love to slut shame and point fingers at others. They’ll be caught death before they become the town’s whore. Bisexual and straight men don’t give a shit about such things.

Well Elliott’s statistic is from 2012, 10 years ago. OnlyFans wasn’t around 10 years ago so those statistics don’t matter.

I think there are more gay men today doing gay porn than 15 years ago when it was studio run.

It’s hard to give a statistic with OnlyFans because it’s like are we talking hardcore porn or queerbaiters? Guys who tease and jerk off for guys and get massaged or their feet sucked by a guy or guys who do full on sex?

I could say I think 70-80% of hardcore gay porn are gay guys. I think the stat drops if you’re going to add queerbaiters and solo acts and etc.

R49 Absolutely 100%. The gay guys I know who should be doing OnlyFans won’t do it cause they’re typically affluent. They’d rather be social media influencers or thirst traps on Instagram.

That's why 60% of gay pornstars are bisexual sex addict whores r50

And didn’t Elliott Finn leave gay porn to do a couples OnlyFans with his girlfriend? That can’t possibly be him talking about the porn industry when what he’s doing is literally career suicide.

R51 First of that Elliot % was from his TikTok from 2023 lol In 2012 he was prob still in high school. And I was talking all the time about hardore full gay sex studio porn not some teases on OF , I doesnt count it as gay porn where guy fuck, suck, rim, eat cum etc.

Wow 70-80% is a lot you included bisexual guys or what?

Couple OF will DEFINITELY bring his milions $

R54 “according to a 2012 survey” is not from 2023.

I don’t know the statistic. Why guess and what’s the relevance? I was talking about why straight guys get picked up for gay porn, why they do it, and my experiences with it.

Tons of women do bisexual porn who aren’t. Only do it when a camera is in front of them. This idea that men are incapable of it is false.

The real Elliott Finn posted on Twitter yesterday explaining that’s he’s straight and why he does gay porn.

Gen Z statistics are also bullshit. LGBT+ is a scene now, not a sexual orientation. You can identify as queer cause you like Drag Race today.

The guys who are bisexual / pansexual tend to be open and admit it. Guys who are straight are usually honest. You have obvious ones like Reno Gold but nobody bought it.

I also don’t buy Peachy Boy either and he’s a queerbaiters who is clearly gay so R54 if Reno Gold and Peachy are gay queerbaiters, it still screws up your wanting to leave out queerbaiters and only want hardcore stats.

That survey from 2012 was about female pornstars a nd one of the things they studied was their sexuality, over 67% were bisexual, there was literally 1 lesbian so it didnt count as %. We are all the time talking about "hardcore" gay porn, in where you stated that 70-80% of performers are gay(you didnt specified if you included bi/pan guys) and now you are arguing there are tons of women who do lesbian porn but are 100% straight.

The case is we prob misunderstood each other, I know there are straight men and women in gay and lesbian porn, I just posit their are the minority like 5% of gay pornstars are straight and 10-15% of lesbian pornstars are straight And the majority is BISEXUAL, sexually turned on by both genders, in many cases probably not romantically as well. Thats it

r57 I don't care about Elliot, but why people is giving him money. 🤮

Can we make a list a straight gay porn stars?

R57 at least MDR is honest about being pansexual and fucking everything.

Let's make list of bisexual gay porn stars

I'm not a clinical OCDer, I only care for their good look and screen performance. What beyond that has nothing to do with my JO.

The gay denier here is PR for the G4P-ers.

Charles Dera makes FAR more money than every single gay porn star anywhere. As does Johnny Sins. And Chad White and many more.

Actual straight male porn stars are in demand and make money. They are not the bottom of the heap. Straight men aren’t forced to do gay porn in order to make any money. They could easily do straight porn.

Porn Photographer is making shit up to degrade gay men.

And men who do only hardcore heterosexual scenes are making money from gay and bi men via Onlyfans and Patreon. Gay men are making straight performers wealthy without even having to produce any gay content

From what I have heard from friends in the business, most men in straight and gay porn are bisexual.

R66.

There are degrees. Many straight porn stars are mostly straight. Overwhelmingly heterosexual with situational or infrequent samesex proclivities

Most younger gay men are happily attracted to openly gay men, it's only the self-hating boomers who believed that only straight men are real men, thus forcing the porn stars of the 90s and early 2000s to market themselves as straight whether they were actually straight or not.

We know we are living in a better world now that we don't see so much of the superlatively weird early Sean Cody stuff featuring two straight bros throwing a football to each other, talking about their girlfriends, pausing for 15 minutes of absolutely filthy gay sex, then back to talking about girlfriends. That was painful to watch.

R69 r70

R59 Yeah my point is straight men outnumber gay men.

If you want to get straight into stats according to 2022 Gallup, 1.4% of the US adult population identifies as gay.

258.3 million of the US population are adults and there are 165 million adult males in the US.

That means there are 2.3 million gay men in the US vs. 162.7 million straight men in the US.

Bisexual is 4.2% and if you split that by gender equally, that’s 2.1%, that’s another 3.2 million.

So like I said, it’s truly not crazy and hard to believe there’s a lot of straight guys who will do gay porn.

The other thing I want to point out is orientation is becoming so irrelevant in porn today.

Trans porn is huge, bisexual porn is huge, crossover is huge.

There are super gay porn stars out there right now who are 100% gay doing bisexual porn.

Porn does not define true sexuality. These are performers and actors and people making fantasies for profit.

Porn is a transactional business. Sexual orientation is so irrelevant and today it hinders business.

There are so many porn performs I talk to or work with whether they’re gay or straight who have a list of people they performed with they didn’t like or weren’t attracted to or complain about.

You guys approach the idea of porn from an intimate perspective. Making porn is not intimate at all.

So remove attraction out of the situation. The idea that you have to be attracted and aroused to do a scene, it doesn’t work like that whether it’s gay or straight porn.

Straight guys can have the same exact difficulties doing straight porn as the gay for pay straight guys, especially in a studio set where it’s all start and go. Lighting setups and etc. The big difference is gay for pay makes more money lol.

I’m gay as fuck but if I wanted to be a porn star in 2023 and make money, I’d pretend I’m straight and shoot gay porn and do bisexual porn with women and trans porn.

I’ll just take some Blew Chew like everyone else and fuck whatever is going to make me money.

I’m not sexually fluid, I’m 100% gay. But porn doesn’t define my sexuality or orientation. It would define my business and money.

Do you guys see my point?

Like I don’t believe William Seed, Malik Delgaty, or Filou Fit are gay or bisexual.

Those are straight men who fuck for money. They were strippers, they were escorts, they’re hustlers who use their bodies for money. Aside from escorting, I don’t believe at all they’ve ever done anything with a guy off camera. I don’t think they hook up with men without money being involved.

I don’t get how that is so far fetched.

Nick Pulos is another example. He’s married with a wife and you can tell he’s trying hard to gay for pay because it’s what’s making him money. And he’s always uncomfortable and mediocre in his scenes but it’s what’s paying his bills lol.

People, male or female, have sex with money with people they don’t want to have sex with so I don’t get how switching the gender makes it any worse lol.

Do you think all those straight women wanted to fuck Ron Jeremy? Lol. But it’s straight porn they must be so turned on!

It works like that with G4P lol.

OP is clearly not a native English-speaker. So I would tend to regard this post as trolling. I think the majority of gay pornstars are gay, not bisexual - but in interviews they will say they are bisexual because they think that increases their desirability/work potential. I can't prove it, but most of them cannot prove they are bisexual either...

r77 women dont have to get hard. Comparing men and women in porn is like comparing apples and oranges. So many 'gay' and ones who hashtag 'gay' on instagram either say they are bi in interviews or on Rentmen or just start fucking women. I mean you have uber fag daveywavey making a big scene about pussy now.

[quote] I got my start working with a full blown lesbian who only did straight porn. Now she only does dom work with men.

r42 Wait. Why wouldn't she just do lesbian porn? Does doing straight porn pay more than lesbian porn? I would've thought it was the opposite.

Anyway, it's not that shocking. Hell, I'm a lesbian who briefly became an utter cliche and worked a second job as a stripper while in college. Nearly all of the other women were Kinsey 4 - 5 bisexuals or lesbians. In fact, I don't think I recall one 100% straight dancer, there. No one cared about the fact that they were men. We cared about the fact that they were paying (not the best/proudest period of my life). Sex work is all fantasy for the coin. None of it is real.

I think any guy who is sexy and hung is probably bi.

I miss the days of the 1980's and 1990's when most guys in porn were gay. Not all of them were, but many of the guys in the Falcon porn of the 80's and 90's were actual gay men.

There have always been some bisexual and supposedly straight guys in gay porn but there was a time when actual gay men were in gay porn. I prefer porn where the guys are actually gay and may be getting some enjoyment out of what they are doing or are having gay sex in real life or are actually part of the gay community.

I read an interview with a female pornstar a little while back, can’t remember her name as I don’t follow straight porn much, who said she thinks 2/3 of the guys in straight porn are bi. She said it makes sense to her because they’re probably sick of looking at pussy all day & like to experiment. Not sure if I believe her rationale though.

People who do porn are not like the rest of us. Whereas we see sex as a private act between two people who are into each other, they don’t. Attaching any kind of deep meaning to sex is a foreign concept for them. For them, sex is just something you do to satisfy a physical urge. This is why they can have sex with men, women, trans, one person, two people, five people, ten people, young twinks, older daddies, whites, blacks, Asians, Latinos, fat people, skinny people, clear skin people, heavily tattooed people, people they’ve known for years, people they just met two minutes ago and never bothered to learn their names, etc.. It really doesn’t matter. They have no boundaries and no inhibitions.

This is why analyzing the sexualities of people who do porn is dumb. They’re just whores. Most guys who watch straight porn have figured that out. They don’t sit there debating with each other whether some porn starlet is straight, gay or bi because she has done sex scenes with both men and women. They just know she’s a screwed up whore doing what screwed up whores do, but that’s okay. They have no plans to marry them or date them or introduce them to their families. They just beat off to them, turn off the computer and get on with their real lives. It’s gay men who, for some reason, obsess about this stuff.

r74, eventually you would be tagged and found out as exgay and fakegay. Social media is not going to let you live that down. One main reason is that there is a whole gay to straight movement/fetish on social media that champions "first time with a woman, break in pussy porn and getting fully gay men to declare a newfound bisexuality/pansexuality." The stigma of conversion therapy is not going to let you live that down. You'd be a pariah to other gay men and a hero to the exgay movement. The fully gay men that push this kind of porn are legitemaltely problematic. It's reignites an discussion of being gay is a choice. You can't dismiss orientation so blatantly without causing controversy. It empowers the enemies of gay people.

Didn’t Paddy O’Brian start out as saying he fucked women and was only doing gay porn as a top for the cash? Fast forward a few years; he’s sucking dick, another couple of years, he’s eating ass, culminating in him taking a cock up his hoop… he either realised that getting his prostate rubbed was far more pleasurable than fucking flange or he is only in it for the money and is a better actor when shooting gay porn than many who get an Oscar.

Point being, I have only ever seen him in the company of men and it looks like he has embraced his inner bottom, given some of the porn he has made…

There was a supposedly straight British male porn star who did gay porn for years and would occasionally escort on the side.Allegedly one of his male escorts sent some screenshots and clips from one of his gay porn videos to his girlfriend and several members of her family. The now ex girlfriend and her family threatened to keep him away from his child due to him doing porn and escorting. So he quit doing porn and a got himself a regular job in order to not lose access to his child.

R86 Lucy Hart formerly Lance Hart use to insist for years that they were straight and only had sex with men for money and wasn't at all attracted to men. Years later they admitted that there might be a small possibility that they might be bi and has now since come out as trans.

And I am talking already way before this stupid woke trend

Oy vey, OP. You're a moronic rightwing bigot. They do that stuff NOT because it's a "woke trend," they're doing it TO MAKE MONEY. They're sex whores and they do what makes money, hunny. I'm sure if you were a bit older you'dve been mad about the decades-old "woke trend" of interracial gay porn.

Btw, if it weren't for the woke'sters of yesteryear you'd have to still be in the closet and you'd certainly have no gay-centric website to complain on about how not all porn is for you. Idiot.

R81 Yea cause God was so generous to fullfill nasty desires of "disgust in his eyes" and straight women so he made all hot muscular jocks bisexual but forgot to reset all suffering.

R83 I think it was this interview

Interesting

The irony of bisexual guys in gay porn is that those old queens want them to be straight so no matter how hard their dick was while being fucked, no matter how much they moaned and rolled their eyes they will be STRAIGHT boys to them. While straight women believe if a guy even shave his pubic or armpit hair he is GAY, so when they find out their boyfriend is gettin fucked, moan and cums all over himself they came to conclusion they date a closet gay. Who is not honest with himself and cheat on her with men both on and off screen.

Uh what r92? ❔

I think r92 wanted to give extended explanation of "you can't please anybody when you are in the middle R93

R80 Lesbian porn pays less. It’s the easiest and safest thing for a female to do and I believe it’s a huge viewership but isn’t a huge seller. Lots of people watch lesbian porn but they won’t buy it.

It’s also a matter of offers.

POV Porn isn’t huge. It actually ranks a few spots higher than trans porn on PornHub searches.

BUT POV is a huge market for female performers because so many guys want to do POV porn, it’s basically consumerism. A guy with an iPhone wants to start a porn channel and do POV videos - women demand the same rates, sometimes even higher, than what studios pay. A lot of these guys don’t make their money back because they’re competing with women.

R84 Exactly.

It’s very similar to race.

A biracial white/black person is considered black to both white and black people.

White people dismiss their whiteness and black people claim their blackness.

R85 You’ll have to show me some evidence of that and name names because I’ve never seen that before. I’ve seen queerbaiters on TikTok being called out but no one in porn is being cancelled over this.

This is the only place I've ever heard of such

R90 A female porn star recently mentioned in a tweet, and it was too long ago to find it, that there are straight guys who do straight porn that are in the closet / bisexual and that there are straight guys who do porn that are straight.

As I stated in R73 and the great post by R84 said, what performers do on screen does not define their orientation.

There are absolutely straight male performers who ONLY do straight porn who are bisexual.

Remember Julian Rios in the 90s? He did a bisexual porno where he let a guy suck his dick and then only did straight porn after that. But he’s revealed in recent times that he was bisexual. We just never saw all of it cause it was in his private life.

R79 Yeah but there’s really no difference between straight and gay porn stars.

In a more intimate setting like an OnlyFans scene in a hotel or wherever with a videographer, it’s easier for a straight guy to stay erect because the shoot is quicker. They’re like 45 minute shoots.

On a studio set with a director, videographer, lighting crew and a full day where sometimes the guy has to perform 3 scenes - it’s constant starting and stopping.

So there’s the rehearsal where you act out the scene through pictures and then you have to do the scenes and they only use one camera so lighting has to be changed with each new angle. It’s very hard for a guy to stay erect naturally and it’s hard for a guy to get it up naturally when it’s time for the cameras to roll.

Straight guys use viagra and sex enhancement drugs just like G4P and gay guys use it too.

Again - it’s not really sex in the intimate form.

R99 then I think it was the interview with Kelly Divine who said she could count actual straight guys on one hand[she is fugly as hell btw]. Of course there are bisexual or even gay models on the straight side but the question is why? If you are turned on by guys and gay porn pay way more wtf you are doing on straight set.

Also I can't understand those pansexual guys like Dante Colle, Jayden Marcos who try to become crossovers and bridge gay and straight industry. Stay in fuckin gay porn since it makes the most money.... unless porn actually refleksji sexuality.

Here’s an example of straight guys on a gay porn set lol.

That is a pretty iconic clip, R102. Tom Faulk stating afterwards that the other guy's dick was too thin and pointy... 😂

Side note, that's from FraternityX, and some DLers really thought it was a real fraternity from an actual college.

Tom Faulk is bisexual r102 If we are going to put literally every bisexual/pansexual guy into straight box there is literally 0 sense to use those labels AT ALL.

R101 I’m going to have to answer this in 2 parts cause I want to watch the video.

For your latter comment, bisexual porn has grown tremendously in the last 10 years.

15 years ago there was like one bisexual porn studio and everything else was like from South America or Eastern Europe.

Same with trans porn.

Dante Colle is one of the most searched male performers by women according to PornHub.

Crossovers make the most money. Look at Roman Todd - he does gay porn and now he’s ventured into bisexual porn and trans porn and he’s everywhere.

Sophia Locke is a woman who is doing crossover and working with gay and bisexual men and she’s everywhere.

Doing everything = more money.

Yeah but since Roman Todd is bi/pan he has 0 problem fucking literally everything that moves lmao including fat trans. On the other hand it would be great to see some hotter and younger guy at his place, he is just overexposed Did like 60 scenes in the 2022.

R101 She’s probably right.

But as a recruiter and someone who works with straight men, gay porn doesn’t cross their mind.

Like I said I’ve worked with gay for pay.

Like I worked with a guy who was a former meth addict and when he said he’d do gay porn, he said his former gay meth friends were going to be pissed because he always rejected their offers Hahahaha!

I think it's hot to imagine a 110% gay porn performer having sex with a female.

One of the dumbest threads of all time, started by a troll who won't shut up. Most of them are gay. The Bi and G4P ones get more notice because people make a big deal out of it. Sexuality is complicated anyway, get over it OP.

Because sexuality is a spectrum and it's a bell curve, like most things in life. Being 100% gay or 100% straight are both more rare than being somewhere inbetween.

R107 Out of curiosity how do you distinguish if you work with bisexual or with straight guy? They tell you that or you notice during filming or what?

R110 If thats true and most people are bisexual then why we even propose the existence if G4P? If only few ppl in reality are straight there would be 0 of them in industry where you pay you be turned on and have sex with guy

R111 I recruit.

So I usually get men through photography. I do nude or underwear shoots and typically license them for trashy independent romance novels or for whatever people want to use them for. Or I sell them to digital male erotic magazines usually on Instagram.

I use a couple of different places to find men - even Craigslist. And during the e-mail exchange or in person doing the shoot before or after, I tell them what else I do. That I help manage and coordinate porn careers - OnlyFans (there’s sooooo much more that goes into it than that).

And I give them a rundown and they tell me what they want to do or what they can do. And so I basically set them up. I do casting photos and submit them to talent agencies and porn studios and it usually takes a few weeks for them to call back. And in the meantime, we set up the basics for their social media platforms. I hook them up with other local photographers or even bigger ones and it’s a whole thing. It’s a lot.

I collect a % from everything after I get my money back. So if I spent $1,000 shooting in AirBnBs and hotel rooms for 2 months building their OnlyFans, I get that $1,000 back from their first gigs and then collect a monthly % off their OnlyFans. I’m usually able to get my money back through photography.

A lot of photographers pay models $100/hour to shoot so the guys give me that money from their first few shoots. And then a studio reaches out to them and they’ll get $500 - $2500 for a shoot and I let them have that money cause the studio work will promote their OnlyFans.

I usually do trial management. So I stay on board for 6 months and they can renew or leave me. And I drop my % fee and help maintain their platforms without doing photography / videography unless there are big collab scenes.

When I went out to my first gay bar and got to be around other gays (or at least gay-identifying men as we refer to it now), I realized that a lot of gay men can’t engage in very intelligent conversations. I realized I had to dumb myself down to be around other gay men. That was a bummer. Another bummer was to discover how focused on being “less gay” was superior. Being casually masculine wasn’t enough. Reading this thread here about male sexuality, twenty-five years later, leads me to conclude that dumbness and the lowest common denominator, rule the roost.

R74 ED pills can’t force an erection where one wouldn’t be present in the first place. That’s not how they work. The term “psychosexual” would be the the best one to apply to how erections work - it starts in the mind. Your penis isn’t some detached, independent part of your body. It’s intertwined with everything else. While Kinsey has been criticized, I think his scale explains it best. Some are fully gay, some are fully straight and some fall in between. Most people though are straight. Waiting around for a man that’s not gay is mentally ill. The woke fantasy about sexuality, combined with porn has damaged my fellow gay men even more. I now support calls for bringing down porn. It’s really made a lot of you really stupid and your own worst enemies.

R113, why would a “content creator” need you? I thought the whole point of Onlyfans and similar sites is that it cuts out the middle men. All you need is a camera and someone to shoot with, and you’re good to go.

R115 It’s not that easy.

It’s a business. Being a good hair dresser doesn’t mean you’d be good at running your own hair salon.

A lot of models don’t have business skills and a lot of models don’t have an eye for photography or videography.

A lot of OnlyFans models have management, videographers, editors, people who run their social media, etc, etc.

Yeah someone like Jake Andrich doesn’t need me.

But the fitness trainer who sucks at taking selfies, sucks at posting on social media, doesn’t know how to write catchy captions or know anyone in the industry, who has a hot body and a nice cock and just wants to make money fucking on camera, needs me. Lol.

R114 It’s not that deep cause it’s porn and again, you’re comparing reality to fantasy and actors.

But to your reality, masculinity is always going to reign superior. “Alpha males” are always going to be the most attractive.

They are attractive across the board - straight men want to be like them and gay men and women want to be with them.

You sound like a straight guy complaining about “nice guys finish last”. Yes everyone desires hyper masculine douchey asshole men.

Get over it.

And as far as erection pills go on porn sets, there’s porn everywhere. On the TV, on the laptop, on their phones, etc. Even with gay men and on straight porn sets.

R117 Your response didn’t address what I said. Did I hit a nerve?! If you can’t adjust to the idea that your dating pool are other gay men, with all their flaws, then you’re mentally ill. Living in some fantasy world where straight men will have sex with you, WTF?! Your response sounds like you’re part of the dumbness problem I was talking about. SMH

R116, you should try to work for Jack Dixon. His site looks like he could use professional help.

R27, Yet Mr Duckface is willing to do ftms aka straight women larping as gay men. The Botox must’ve seeped into his brain.

R21, I think I saw that account on Twitter a few months ago just before I quit. The creep was still trying to convert gay men.

R108, no it's not, it's gross and reeks 1) conversion therapy and 2) internalized homophobia. You think homosexuality is degrading. Such a sick fetish.

It's really hard to tell There are a lot of guys who start in porn with straight identify but realized they are bi after f.e Roman Todd, Aspen, Johnny Rapid, Christian Wilde, Dante Colle and many more

Hi, Marketing again!

I know it was a long time ago for many of you, but remember back when you were in your 20s and there were a lot of guys who were still figuring out their sexuality? Maybe they were experimenting some.

Well, when we get a hold of them, we figure that if they can pass for straight, then we say they are straight!

Lately we've been saying "bi" since the notion of straight guys doing gay porn gets pushback from younger gays. So bi says "he's still alpha enough to get pussy when he wants, but he does appreciate a good ass and isn't grossed out by a blow job."

We've got a new angle too, where "straight" guys do sort of gay things - they let their "straight" friend strap on a dildo and fuck them. But it's not GAY because it's not a real dick. That lets our audience fantasize that they can be the one to convince the "straight" stud to take a real cock, not a silicone one.

Keep on clicking guys!!

Keeps those dollars coming in.

Thanks for that R123 -- that's my work too!

As I explained above, saying they "have realized they are bi" lets our audience fantasize that maybe they have a shot at one of these studs or that eventually any good looking guy will realize that he has a bi side. (Even though most of our actors also have a "sell side" if you catch my drift!"

It's all good clean fun and the audiences love it!!!

R125 I would rather say they were always bisexual and at some point their were tired of the straight bullshit I just admitted they like men too. But its true what you said - anyone who looks masculine can be sold as straight.

The "bis" in gay porn are highly controversial because in many cases on them you can find at least one reply where they claimed to be straight.

Johnny Rapid,Vadim Black, Markie More, Christian Wilde, Colby Jensen, Rod Daily, Marcus Mojo,Cliff Jensen,Wolf Hudson, Rick Sinz, Spencer Laval, Roman Todd, Justin Matthews, Gavin Waters, Trent Diesel Jayden Marcos, Brandon Cody,Aspen and tons of other models from MEN, Nextdoor, Sean Cody, Corbin Fischer label themselves as bi/pan/ not straight But I am pretty sure there will be a lot of people who will whine at G4P and use them as example.

So basically for porn whores we have 3 categories

- gays - confused - desperate drug addicts

Confused make up the majority of pornstars so its kinda right to say most of those guys are bisexual.

Because there are more straight/bi men than there are gay men? No one acts surprised that most of the girl on girl porn stars are straight/bi.

We all know bisexuals are just straight guys who like from time to time to fuck a guy and suck dick.

And bisex females are just attention seekers.

R74, So you would be willing to do bestiality and child porn since it doesn’t “count”as part of your sexuality, right?

Those who will to do anything for money are usually sick in the head.

[quote]There are super gay porn stars out there right now who are 100% gay doing bisexual porn.

None of them are gay. The conversion therapy porn fetish they promote is a gross form of homophobia.

R131 Wesley Woods was loud about doing straight and bisexual scenes at yet being supposedly 100% gay.

When Donte Thick went back into closet and tried to convince everyone he is straight Wesley Woods exposed him for his frequent hookups with guys.

As a revenge Donte exposed Wesley's hookup with girls when they were supposed to have a threesome but fucked girls on their own. Which ended Wesley porn career hahahah

Last I heard of Wesley Wood, he was trying to do comedy/stand-up, or something. It was embarrassing. Didn’t he fake a hate crime as well? Some of these failed pornwhores have tried to venture into drag too, which no one wants to see.

I never heard anything about hate crime but I know he was attacted by homophobes in west hollywood. His stand up were such a failure btw. And we don't need another Chi Chi LaRue

R134, I never bought that he was attacked by homophobes, being that he is one himself and will just about lie about anything.

R130 Different anon. This is one of the dumbest examples ever. It's like something you've hear from a homophobic Twitter user. Comparing sex between two consensual adults to rape of a child/animal.

He is promoting homophobic conversion therapy himself with his "100% gay but chooses to sleep with women" act. If he’s that big of a homophobic degenerate that he’ll do anything for money, then other sex acts (consensual or not) wouldn’t be that far of a stretch for him.

At least you have a sense of humor about it R127

But still...

R136 No it’s not. For a homosexual male touching a female in a sexual way is repulsive. The guy he was responding to at R74 was saying to just take ED medication to get over it. It’s not a stretch to say that he’d do the same concerning bestiality. I’ll repeat what I said initially in my reply at 114 for those in the back. ED medication doesn’t give you the power to perform with a sex to whom you’re not oriented. It also wouldn’t give you the power to perform in scenarios that repulse you. For example, it wouldn’t give you an erection to sexually perform with your own father if you found that repulsive. It’s not magic. It’s working with the circulation in your penis. Your sexual response still has to work with your brain/your mind.

My God, never imagined having to justify my sexuality to the LGBT-infinity inquisition board. I thought we’d beat the Moral Majority crowd back in the 90s.

[quote]Such a sick fetish.

r122 There are, to me, a concerning amount of "fetishes" that get excused as kinks when they're actually just a sign of severe trauma response and psychological damage. Conversion therapy/corrective rape, race-play (i.e. White slave master, Black slave), rape (i.e. consensual non-consent), and findom are examples of "kinks" that I believe shouldn't be celebrated or glorified. Some kinks absolutely need to be shamed.

Dereck Kage is no longer gay.

R139 if you're a gay man who finds womens' bodies 'repulsive' then you might benefit from some kind of professional help.

Being gay doesn't mean you find women’s bodies or sex with women repulsive. Countless gay men have had sex with women and didn't find it repulsive at all. It wasn't their biggest turn on, but it wasn't repulsive.

R143, yup and given the sharp declines in societal homophobia in the past 20-30 years, it stands to reason that there may well be more younger straight men who don't find men's bodies repulsive (despite not being attracted).

Hey guess what OP? I don’t care. This is not something I give a split second of thought.

r142 This is ridiculous. Finding the bodies of the sex you're not attracted to repulsive is not indicative of something being wrong. It means the person is likely 100% [insert sexual orientation here]. I'm a lesbian (the dumb cliched college stripper upthread) and I, personally, find the male body repulsive. There is nothing "wrong" with me for feeling that way. It's who I am. Thankfully, shaking one's ass to the Ying Yang Twins doesn't require one to be "unrepulsed" by the drunken idiots throwing away their cashed-out paychecks on stage during your set.

It's so disappointing how much gay shame exists even in gay spaces. If anything that's indicative of something going horribly wrong.

R146 really interesting how you frame this as an issue of 'gay shame': almost as if you're not gay enough if you're not repulsed by the opposite sex?

With all due respect if you find mens' bodies in general repulsive (even if healthy, clean, and not acting in any kind of threatening or obscene way) then I do actually think there is something wrong there that you might benefit from trying to break down somehow.

R142 r143 r144 r147

Awww don't block me R148 look at everything you are missing! :)

R149

Sexuality is not a spectrum, your BEHAVIOR may be on a spectrum, hetero is the default, same sex attraction is actually quite rare I think myself, as a gay man.

r147 I was more or less speaking in terms of being physically intimate with the opposite sex, not so much just the existence/presence of the male body, in general. The actual act of being physically intimate with the opposite sex is repulsive to me. And before you ask, yes I've tried it, that's how I know.

R152. Interesting. I've tried it too and I thought it was quite nice. Not sure if that makes me bi though. Maybe just a little bit.

I’m gay, 100%, have never done anything with a woman & don’t plan to. But I can appreciate women’s beauty & beautiful bodies without being sexually attracted.

My sister is a straight married woman who thinks penises are disgusting to the point she’s practically repulsed. She saw the movie Get Hard in the theater (quelle ironie) & when a penis was flashed onscreen she pulled some Karen shit, before that was even a thing, & wanted her money back. Iirc she took my 12 year-old nephew & did the “the children, the children” act, even though I think he’d seen at least one penis prior.

r153 The fact that you were not only able to perform in the first place but found it "quite nice" means you are bi, yes. A gay man would not be able to perform, want to, or find it "quite nice."

As women, we have the ability to just "lay there and silently suffer through the impaling" aroused or not. It is not the same. I certainly wouldn't describe it as "quite nice." It was awful and mildly traumatic.

R142 Why would you reply to me and block me so I couldn’t see your response?! I only saw it because of R148. I’m concerned with your lack of sense combined with arrogance. If English isn’t your first language it explains how your answer sounds like you didn’t understand what I said.

R155 I increasingly find that strict policing/gatekeeping of the boundaries of rigidly fixed categories of sexuality to be over-reductive, certainly unhelpful at expressing and comprehending the diversity of human sexuality. Plus, we're on DL where large parts of the crowd have integrated sexuality very deeply into their identities. But ok, maybe a little bit bi. I'm not sure I'll ever have sex with a woman again, but I wouldn't rule it out.

I'm sorry your experience was 'awful and mildly traumatic'. I suspected your feelings of repulsion stemmed from a trauma response. They are not, I'm afraid, a normal and healthy expression of someone's homosexuality. Take care in any case.

R156, It's not possible to block someone on DL and prevent them from reading your posts, this website has quite an unusual design. You have obviously got tangled up here somewhere, perhaps work on not getting so upset about it.

Marketing, personally and professionally.

[quote][R155] I increasingly find that strict policing/gatekeeping of the boundaries of rigidly fixed categories of sexuality to be over-reductive, certainly unhelpful at expressing and comprehending the diversity of human sexuality.

r157 Surely you realize that the acceptance of gays and the establishment of gay rights in society is contingent upon gatekeeping when distinguishing what it means to be gay? If people who call themselves gay are openly still having and enjoying "relations" with individuals of the opposite sex, that fuels harmful ideas such as "it being a choice." It makes it harder for 100% gays and lesbians to be taken seriously.

Do you know how many times I was told "I just haven't met the right guy yet" after I came out? Where do you think mindsets like that come from? It comes from the twisted idea that we're somehow "choosing" to be gay and are just waiting to be rescued by "the chosen one" who wields the "magical curative penis/vagina" we need to be "fixed."

It can also sew seeds of doubt within young gaylings and baby dykes who may still be confused about themselves and wonder why they can't be like the other "normal gays and lesbians" who still like banging the opposite sex once every blue moon. They need to understand those individuals aren't actually gay, but bisexual. Labels matter in sensitive situations like this. I don't understand why I have to explain this on a gay site. I really don't. It's truly baffling. Perhaps it's because the statements are coming from a bisexual who calls himself gay.

It's all bullshit. They're gay. Not bi. Gay.

But they believe they increase their appeal and widen their audience by saying they are bi. But they are gay. Just because they can have sex with the woman for their next porn video, does not mean they are straight or bi. They are gay. They are a gay man who just happens to be able to have sex with a female.

Majority of Active Duty especially in that Claude era were in that bi/ curious/DL category. The reason is that most of them were recruited from gay bars in San Diego where they were going for casual hookup. That would explain little to no editing, villingness to perform all sexual acts including kissing and often no need to edit moneyshot - remember if a guy just cums after pulling out it means he was turned on by his partner.

Of course there were some straight guys but you could spot the difference after a second.

[quote] Surely you realize that the acceptance of gays and the establishment of gay rights in society is contingent upon gatekeeping when distinguishing what it means to be gay?

No, I don't agree with that at all. Full acceptance comes when society accepts same-sex and opposite-sex relations between consenting adults as being absolutely equally deserving of respect. Recognising that for many, maybe even the majority (I don't say all) of us, some level of bisexuality is at least potentially possible would be a big step towards that goal, in my opinion. Even if you disagree, ruthless gatekeeping would mean we'd have to abandon claim to the legacies of some of the most accomplished gay men in history and culture, like Oscar Wilde, Freddie Mercury, William Burroughs, Rainer Werner Fassbinder, Rudolf Nureyev....

[quote] Do you know how many times I was told "I just haven't met the right guy yet" after I came out?

That's because the people telling you that didn't want you to be gay because they couldn't reconcile it with the positive feelings they had for you. That's the societal homophobia that needs to be tackled, not the fact that some sexualities are more fluid than others.

[quote] It can also sew seeds of doubt within young gaylings and baby dykes who may still be confused about themselves

I am sure these young people will eventually work everything out, but if we could all refrain from berating them in the meantime about the ways they choose to speak about their own sexuality (seriously, check out any thread on Gen Z and bisexuality on here), that would be a positive. Gay people and bisexuals should be allies, they don't actually have any real incompatibilities in their interests.

Does it matter OP? Straight ppl who watch straight porn don't debate for a second if a guy they see on screen is straight, bi , asexual or gay. Same with females. What I find interesting is in this Vlad interview the female pornstar (Nikki Benz) doesn't believe in Gay-for-pay " If you can get it up, you are not Gay-for-pay, you like it". She also work with women and she never met gay4pay girl? All her co-stars were bisexual?

More hot bisexual bros!

Gay for pay is a myth only believed by a gullible subset of gullible gay porn addicts.

"Some of them have part or their sphincter removed surgically to make the butt sex easier. "

TROLL

FFS Homosexuals

1. Sexuality is not black and white, despite the fervent beliefs of many DLers who have been sold on the "suck one cock and you are gay forever" myth.

2. Lots of guys in their 20s are unsure of their sexuality or in denial. Or both.

3. Why the need to give everyone a category. Horniness, alcohol and availability often get people to break out of their categories.

ConcernedBisexual has been a troll here a LONG time. VERY contrarian, and especially hateful of the USA.

R16 I almost choked to death reading this.

R168, the theories that EVERYONE is fluid in terms of gender and sexuality are laughable. Ten years from now, people will wonder what we were thinking.

I have no desire to have sex with a woman and that will never change.

LOL, that is YOU R171. And there are straight men who have no desire to have sex with another guy.

But not every gay man has the same sexual desires you do.

Mind blown, I am sure. But there you have it.

r168 was blocked a long time ago in another thread where he hates on actual GAY MEN, promoting his bisexual superiority.

r172

Well, R172, if a man has some sexual attraction to women, then he isn't gay. He's bi.

If that "gay man" has different sexual desires than r171 why not just call him bi? Being bi is just sexually attracted to men and women even if you heavily lean towards either.

Gold Stars are passé, gays. Put that pussy on a pedestal, it'll make you hotter and get you hotter guys. Jay from The 40-Year-Old Virgin had it wrong!

Because gay men are too ugly and queeny OP

Look at NextDoor bts stuff and you see the guys who identify as bi look like normal, masculine guys and then what you see as gays? Miss balding ex mormon, thin Adam Lambert and Gollum. Without those gorgeous bi hunks porn studios would die.

R171, and that's you! Realize others are different

They don't R178

They're 100 years old and they are not going to change.

Really, R178? Are you a gay man who has sex with women on a regular basis?

R179, I am over 50 and I do enjoy the ludicrous theories the far left comes up with (and the people who buy them hook, line and sinker).

Thanks to the DL, I am now aware of how many porners are incredibly fucked up criminals, and how many die tragically.

I am now under the assumption that most gay-for-pay porners have criminal records and have trouble getting hired for legitimate work. Porn producers obviously do not care at all about anyone's character or even if they are violent or even killers since they are only paying for a couple hours of time and only want naked bodies penetrating one another.

At this point, my assumption is that it's that simple. Porn is a way for damaged people with criminal histories to make money. They have a hard time finding work otherwise.

And it's a major assumption but I'm guessing a lot of cute gay guys who get into porn may have been sexually abused at a young age and associate their worth with being sexually preyed upon. My sister worked in child protective services for 25 years and the sensibility is common among people who were sexually abused as kids. They tend to be proudly promiscuous and associate people wanting to fuck them with their self-worth.

A poll of porn stars is definitely going to be accurate, OP. They never lie.

Most those "gay-for-payers" are bisexual R181 Liking dick doesn't prevent you from being violent dick.

I love how OP just asked why there are so many bisexual guys in porn and all he got is a mixture of trolling and shitstorm of insecure gold star gays arguing between themselves.

[quote]I love how OP just asked why there are so many bisexual guys in porn

But there aren't. Don't be gullible.

Whenever this discussion comes up, I always think of Mason Wyler, who was pushed as a straight guy when he first appeared on Corbin Fisher only to later find out that wasn't the case.

No such thing as bi. People stay in closet because being gay is social demotion.

Oh R169, how can you say I hate the USA when I've watched almost every John Ford movie there is?

DL is full of hateful bisexuals who mock men for actually being GAY.

Better get used to it, R189! Even the Yassss Kweens, with their nail polish and dangly earrings, don't want to be Gold Stars. Because inherently, that would mean they're transphobic.

r190

r143, but under what circumstances? If you are out as gay and decide you want to have sex with women then what is that. If you're NOT closeted and are living as a gay man, what exactly are doing? If you double down as gay and not bisexual, what the fuck is that supposed to say about gay men. A bunch of you are trying to normalize and have this back and forth about being attracted to women. I don't see a fucking a vagina or a naked woman in a sexual capacity. Because I'm not fucking BISEXUAL. You're like that assholes at IML who want to teach vagina pleasure classes to gay men.

Concerned European you are clearly a conversion-therapy evangelist. Isn't that the first step to "correcting" a gay man. Oh, you don't really think the female body is unattractive, do you? DO YOU? You're a fucking creep, what fucking asshole is trying to shame gay men because they are repulsed by the female body. Are you even 100 percent gay? Why do you feel that opposite sex repulsion is something that needs "correcting." That something we typical find in bisexuals, pansexuals and non-binaries who need to assert their "superiority" over homosexuals.

So Concerned European, you are that person. You're a bisexual who mocks other gay men. You're not even FUCKING GAY, you stupid fuck. You're the typical bisexual cunt often referenced on DL. Who the fuck are you to lecture ACTUAL gay people?

I don't know. I don't think what you're saying is all that crazy Concerned European, but it certainly seems to be causing hysterics. Maybe it's the puritan streak we still very much have here in the U.S., which finds a way to screw with us even in the most unlikely places. But like you, I'm not a gold star gay. It's been a long time, and although I did like it a couple of times, mostly I didn't particularly. Still, it's not some secret shame I carry now and forever. And if it makes me Bi in the High Council of Gold Star Gays, well, so be it. I'd say I'm gay for going on 30 years now, but I suppose I have failed in that one important duty of finding all women repulsive at all times.

Why is the "causing hysterics" phrase used? It's like you "gay" people struggle to comprehend why gay men can be be repelled by the female body along with being neutral. I don't understand why "gay" men project these heterosexual standards onto gay men. You're actually gatekeeping heterosexuality not homosexuality, i.e. "Something is wrong with you when you can't find a woman's body attractive."

I'm late to this thread but it is quite interesting. Thanks Mr. Porn Photographer (or Miss) for your insights. My question is always the same about this topic;

How much money are we REALLY talking about here?

I understand that there are many who are simply motivated by money but wouldn't the negative consequences of porn outweigh the "money" gained?

It's not about projecting and it's not about imposing standards and it's not about gatekeeping r196. It is about a crazy overreaction to the simple fact that some gay men have had straight sex and the fact that not being absolutely repulsed by the female body does not destroy the entire structure of gay rights, except in the minds of some hysterical, fanatical twats and fools. And, no, it does require you to run out and have sex with a woman. It doesn't require you to do anything at all, except maybe calm your tits.

*does NOT require you to run out and have sex

Gay men are repelled by this?

[quote]No, I don't agree with that at all. Full acceptance comes when society accepts same-sex and opposite-sex relations between consenting adults as being absolutely equally deserving of respect. [bold]Recognising that for many, maybe even the majority (I don't say all) of us, some level of bisexuality is at least potentially possible would be a big step towards that goal, in my opinion.[/bold]

r163 You don't seem to understand that the point I was trying to make was respecting that people who are exclusively same-sex attracted exist and cannot choose to [bold]also[/bold] be attracted to the opposite sex. In the hetero world, they accept that it is possible to be 100% straight. Yet we as gays are supposed to accept that "sexual fluidity" is the [bold]same thing[/bold] as being gay when it's not. We get accused of "gatekeeping" the label gay. Meanwhile, straights are free to gatekeep as much as they want. How, exactly, is that equal?

[quote]Gay people and bisexuals should be allies, they don't actually have any real incompatibilities in their interests.

I have no problem being an ally for bisexuals. In fact, it seems like I, and others who share my views on this matter, are the [bold]only[/bold] ones actually advocating for bisexuals to define themselves as such. "Sexual fluidity" is a pseudoscience term that, ironically, only serves to erase bisexuals. There are only two sexes to choose from. If one is willing to dabble with both in any capacity, even if there is a stronger preference for one sex, they are not "sexually fluid" they are just bisexual. Period.

So by bisexual porn star, we mean a straight guy who always bottoms and takes Viagra to get hard, right?

Bottom doesn't have to get hard r202, so if you see bottom with rock hard dick he is prob at least bi

Also we try to not talk about Elliot Finn on DL

r195 r198 r199

Well I dunno R193/R194, I feel like there's quite a big difference between being repulsed by someone, and merely being not attracted to someone. The former seems like quite an extreme reaction, the human body is really not that scary. But here you are chewing lumps out of the carpet so I'm starting to feel like trying to explain the nuances of language to you might be a lost cause.

R195 You seem like a reasonable guy. You know why I fucked that girl? Mainly curiosity, and so I could say I've tried it. I like trying to expand my boundaries every now and again sexually but apparently this is a war crime for some. Personally, I think that it's a good reminder not to make your sexuality the absolute central and defining aspect of your personality: it always seems to end up in these overwrought persecution complexes where you see conversion therapists behind every tree. Don't despair R201, no-one's going to force you to be something you don't want to be. Cheer up. The war is over. Reagan's dead. You won. Relax.

R205

That must have been 18 years ago I had sex with that girl and I never did it with another girl since. Hey, I much prefer men, and men are also massively easier. I'm really not sure whether I would do it with another girl. It might be fun again just to see what it feels like, but on the other hand, after spending two decades just fucking men I'd worry she'd find me really bad in bed, and unable to please her, and I wouldn't like all the damage to my ego. Maybe if she was a pretty freaky girl who knew that I was basically more or less gay and would have suitably low expectations of my ability to handle the female body, that would be more or less doable and then I could try and exceed expectations..

As a gold star gay, I’ve never been with a woman. Serious question for those of you who have experienced being with a woman: does vagina feel better, worse or no different than a male anus?

R153, So you’re bisexual. That explains all the insecurity and desperation on this thread. How about STFU and leave gay men and lesbians alone, dipshit.

R198, The "hysterical, fanatical twat" in this instance is you. You can’t accept that you’re bisexual, so you need to impose it on gay men, who otherwise have no interest in your bisexual lecturing on gay male homosexuality.

[quote]Don't despair [R201], no-one's going to force you to be something you don't want to be. Cheer up. The war is over. Reagan's dead. You won. Relax.

r205 If you're trying to imply that I hold the views that I do on this matter because "I'm from an old generation" you couldn't be more incorrect. I wasn't even born until the tail-end of Reagan's presidency. My childhood was in the 90s.

Nonetheless, I still understand the basic difference between being bisexual and monosexual. Kinsey 0 and 6 are where monosexuals reside. Bisexuals reside in the 1-5 range. You also drive the fact that you're bisexual home at r207 with lines such as:

[quote]men are easier...I'd worry she'd find me really bad in bed, and unable to please her...that would be more or less doable and then I could try and exceed expectations

Sir. These are not the thoughts of a gay man. Gay men don't have "performance anxiety concerns" about sexually pleasing women. Straight and bisexual men do. This is also another reason why it's less believable when non-gold star "gay" men who are more or less Kinsey 4s and 5s call themselves gay as opposed to non-gold star lesbians. It has to do with the difference in social dynamics between the genders.

Men have to [italic]put in a lot more effort[/italic] to get women into bed than vice versa. That is the stark difference between you and me, here. Even if you bought a prostitute, you still spent your own hard-earned money just to have sex with a woman. Men typically do the approaching. I was approached. Men typically have to take the woman out on dates. I was [bold]taken[/bold] out on dates. Men have to jump through several more hoops to make sure she's comfortable enough with him to [bold]allow him[/bold] to have sex with her. I just had to allow him access, even whilst being extremely uncomfortable.

If a so-called out of the closet gay man is willing to through all of these steps just to have sex with a woman and still be able to perform sexually, not only is he not gay but bisexual, but he's also clearly desperate for pussy because, unlike straight men, he has the option to just not bother and stick to men which, in a hilarious turn to this discussion, you have basically admitted is the case in your situation. You're getting pushback here because you are trying to lecture 100% gays on what it means to be gay while not even being 100% gay yourself. Yet somehow, you can't understand why your responses aren't being well-received and instead choose to gaslight others as "overreacting old people." Unreal.

I imagine vagine feels better than a guy's ass, R208, but since I can't get hard with a woman, it's beside the point.

So many closeted gay men were able to have marriages and children with women.

You’re saying they’re bisexual and not gay, even though they’ve never had an interest in women?

Gatekeeping sexuality and rejecting spectrum is exactly why young kids thinks there’s 8,000 sexual orientations.

It’s unhealthy.

True, R213. An acquaintance of mine was married and had a child the traditional way, ie. without the help of a turkey baster, but he says that sex with women is repulsive to him. I guess if you're young enough, you can perform under the most challenging circumstances.

He was from a conservative religious family. His parents believed that living as a gay man was not an acceptable option.

Maybe we need to put some perspective on this issue. Say we lived in a parallel universe where it was considered normal and socially acceptable to be gay and being straight was condemned as "an abomination." If a "closeted straight man" married a man and had sex with him (as the top) for years before coming out of the closet, admitting he's straight, and then living his straight life being with women only, would you believe he was 100% straight?

R212, I suspect that is why FTMs have become somewhat popular with gay men. They look like men, and they have an orifice tailor-made for getting penetrated.

R216, he probably wouldn't be able to get hard enough to be an effective top with a guy, R216. He'd probably be half hard most of the time.

You're assuming the mirror image of R214 exists but I don't take it for granted that it does.

I think the idea of a FTM would probably turn me off, R217. Just a personal preference. Yup, I'm a gold star gay.

Those gay men are fakegay. Like those people that go for that FTM blond porn twink, if you're turned on by her naked body with twat you're ass is not gay. You're faking the funk and just need to rep your bisexuality.

R213, those people are in the closet. They do that shit to stay IN THE CLOSET, why are you comparing them to out gay men? The discussion is out gay men who want to fuck women and lie about being bisexual. People will in conservative, religious background feel like they are forced to play a role not at all the same thing as these porn stars who keep saying "wow it's my first time fucking a woman" and all that bs.

I wonder if the Kinsey scale is truly valid. Even if it is, I wouldn't be surprised if the vast majority of people are at the exclusively straight end of the spectrum and then the next highest peak is people who are exclusively gay or lesbian, with the least number being truly bisexual. Just my little opinion. You can't ignore cultural influences. Even in the most liberal societies, gays and lesbians still get all kinds of subtle hints that they're not really the equals of heterosexuals. It would be interesting to see what the Kinsey scale would look like if there truly were no judgment about sexual orientation, and straights, gays and lesbians, and bisexuals were all equally valued.

r218 I suppose, as a lesbian, I'm a bit biased here because I can understand how a closeted 100% lesbian is able to be married to a man and have "normal marital relations" and children for years whilst still being 100% lesbian. This is due to the fact that as women, our sexual arousal is not required for penetrative sex to occur. It most certainly is less pleasant without it, but it's not impossible.

Men, on the other hand, need to get an erection for penetrative sex to be possible. Someone upthread used the term "psychosexual" to explain how the male erection works. I suppose a "mind over matter" argument could be used here for the closet. I will not make any claims to know or understand how the male mind works in that regard, but I will concede that it is possible for some. However, that is not the subject of discussion, here. The argument is that 100% gay people [bold]who are already out of the closet[/bold] can still be 100% gay while having sex with the opposite sex every once in a while. That, to me, is bullshit. They're bisexual.

Exhibit A. These women are bisexual. I don't give a damn what they claim, they're bi. No exceptions. Claiming otherwise is problematic:

Because OP - sexuality is a spectrum and it's obvious in the industry when you fuck and being fucked by tons of guys there will be tons of guys who are f.e 60-70% into girls 30-40% into guys, there should be a lot of Kinsey 2 guys as it make their work far easier.

- there are far more bisexual men than gay men; we will never have an idea how many bisexual men are out there but its safe to say there are more bi men than straight men willing to do gay pron.

- because bisexual "straight presenting" and muscuar guy is perfect material for model- he has the look and act that turn on self loathing queens, but also since he is into guys its no problem for him to stay hard either as top or bottom, perform rimming, kissing etc. Same can be applied to masculine "jock" gay but because self loathers are turned on by a fact bisexual guy has a girlfriend and fuck girls off camera bis would win.

There is a wide range of bisexuality as Kinsey showed. There are men who might have had only one male/male sexual experience in their lives, maybe as "innocent" as jerking off with a school mate at age 13, all the way to men who have had only one female/male sexual experience whose sexual experiences have been almost exclusively homosexual. And the same with women. But really, we're not talking about people who fit into those categories. We're talking about people who glide easily from male/male sexual experiences to male/female experiences their entire lives. In our society, people are encouraged to "choose", but choosing to continue to live in a bisexual fashion is not a choice that most heterosexuals or homosexuals are comfortable with. It feels vaguely dishonest. But that's probably just a factor of our culture and not necessarily a world-wide phenomenon.

[quote]I suspect that is why FTMs have become somewhat popular with gay men.

I see no evidence of that out in the real world. Just Datalounge and Twitter, both full of celibates.

Personally, I don't see how anyone can NOT be bisexual? Or maybe something else? What I mean is a beautiful built woman or man has to be attractive to the same sex in all honesty. Now if they do something about it is the question.

NO MAN can not see a handsome really built man and say to themselves "what a great looking built guy"

NO WOMAN can not see a beautiful really built woman and say to themselves "what a great looking built woman"....

It is interesting how in our culture, a woman can everyday see a beautiful built woman and say OUT LOUD "wow, that woman is gorgeous and what a body"... But for a man to say the same thing? TOTAL TABOO!...

FOR straight men who watch straight porn. I think the "fact?" is that while they are focusing on the beautiful big breasted woman getting fucked, that if the man in the scene is handsome and built they HAVE TO see this and at least appreciate it and him. They just don't realize it or admit it to themselves. Because seriously straight or not, what straight men wants to see a ugly out of shape man fucking a beautiful woman?! Like I said, their focus is mostly mainly on the woman and the action, but the man in the scene is somewhat important to if they were at all truly honest..

R225, I think there is a little difference between noticing and getting pleasure out of looking at a beautiful man or woman, and being really sexually attracted to them. Calling that bisexuality is a real stretch. Melissa Etheridge was criticised for publicly stating that a certain man was very attractive (was it Brad Pitt? I forget) but I really doubt she's had any sexual relations with any man since making that comment. Straight guys can enjoy looking at the Apollo Belvedere or the statue of David but that doesn't mean they will ever want to have sex with a guy.

Actually there have been plenty of straight porn videos with very ordinary looking male performers. That's part of the fantasy --- that the regular guy can get the beautiful sexy woman with the great body.

R211 Actually, I never bought her dinner even once. Hell, I never even bought her a drink. We met at a party and fucked and that was that. Maybe I'm more charming than I think?

R212 Based on my limited experience I can tell you that the vagina is significantly less tight than the ass, hope that helps. I was wearing a condom so I can't give you much more of a review.

R227, so you just got turned on like a straight guy would? And enjoyed this woman's naked body and genitalia? And how are you not bi, exactly?

R228 I don't think I got turned on like a straight guy would, but I don't know because I'm not a straight guy. Having sex with her was a nice enjoyable experience but very different from having sex with a man: not just the obvious differences but the smell and taste of the skin, the musculature of the body and so on. With her it was more just a nice sensuous experience, not the gut punch of attraction I'd get with a very attractive man.

But whatever. I said you could probably describe me as a little bit bi. Calling me 'bi' without qualification implies to me someone much more invested in sleeping with women than I am.

R229, as long as you realize you're not gay.

I am probably 99% gay, R230, and you sound like a cultist.

R231, I'm not the one trying to shame gay men to find women sexually attractive and how wonderful vagina is, bisexual creep.

Bisexuals are just so hot- most of them have girlfriend, barely any of them is a nelly progresive kween, they are masculine and despite being pussy chasers they fantasize about cock too.

Some people believe a sexuality is a Bell curve with hetero i homosexuality being a minority so if that theory is true, performing in gay porn unlesh the same sex desire in many guys who otherwise would think they are straight- that's why we have so many str8 first bi later guys like Roman Todd etc.

There are far more bi guys than we would like to believe...In porn if you have sex sex desires it will be unleashed. That's kind of hot actually.

All 5 bi guys I know only date women, marry women, breed kids yet you can know that semem probably ended many times on some guy face, chest or ass.

That trend of pushing sexual fluidity on gay people is disgusting and pathetic.

It’s reality

The last couple of months has seen a massive uptick in bi shit from 'gay' onlyfans types. Not just the usual ftm bandwagon, but cis women too

If you are gay pornstar and also like women great do it in your private life but don't express it on twitter by flooding your twitter with tuna, saying how good vagina feels and how gay men are close minded.

Some people get way too attached to porn and porn stars. It's performance and it's entertainment. Even if the performers are gay or bi, it's highly unlikely that they would hang around, or have sex, with members of the audience for free (unless they are high on meth).

Some people are so desperate to create a connection that they must make the entertainment fantasy real. And that is just mentally unhealthy.

Porn stars provide a service, provide entertainment, and that's it. You don't expect waiters in restaurants or staff members in a hotel to do their job for free for you, do you? But with porn stars, it's like "I saw you doing this to another man in some clip, now do it to me! No? But ... but you're a whore who's doing porn! Why are you being a jerk right now?".

You feel better now R241?

R241= Pierce Paris

r242, r243, poor dears. Which porn stars rejected you?

Ron Jeremy R244

r245, I'm sure it was Ron's loss.

r241 Wrong dear. And I always see variations of this; 'why do you care'? 'its just acting', 'go watch other porn'. Well, First off, this level of gay to bi is unheard of. Secondly they arent guy going and doing a str8 scene for a studio, they are putting it into 'gay' porn and many have an absolute HATRED for gay men when they get called out for it, while also weirdly weather claiming to be gay (but also saying sexuality is fluid) or straight up denying they ever said they were gay. The French Cedric guy has been doing gay twitter porn for like 10 years, never once claiming any kind of bisexuality and only hashtagging gay and now he is saying he is as attracted to women as men and is doing FTM and cis women porn.

[quote] Some people get way too attached to porn and porn stars. It's performance and it's entertainment. Even if the performers are gay or bi, it's highly unlikely that they would hang around, or have sex, with members of the audience for free (unless they are high on meth).

People do this naturally with all celebrities. I don't understand it at all. It seems human beings are programmed to identify idol figures and worship them anywhere they can find them.

Tori Amos has been my favorite artist since the 90s and I have such a deep appreciation for her music and her words, and yet I don't get the worship thing. Just like with any megastar like Taylor Swift et al., many of her fans follow her around the country, but every bit of merchandise her management sells, get those things autographed, wait outside all day to cry in front of her and tell her they love her, and away from her presence they basically stalk her and have strong opinions about her husband, her daughter, her parents. I find it bizarre and creepy, and yet it is 'normal' human behavior that groups of people do to those they choose to worship.

There's a reason they're called fans (fanatics).

With porn, I agree with the first part of the comment I quoted above.

Since I have learned from DataLounge over and over and over for years that countless gay porn stars are convicted violent criminals and they probably do porn because they have to make money to live and can't get hired to do other work with their criminal histories, it's really made me wince when I see gay guys giving gay porn stars the idol treatment. It's not good for anyone.

I think OnlyFans has been a good development for sex workers so that they can control more of their careers, make more money, and even learn digital marketing as entrepreneurs who sell themselves and learn what drives people to open up their wallets and what doesn't.

But OnlyFans hasn't been good for my porn consumption. Because of the reasons I note above about learning how awful so many porn stars are, I am disinclined from following any individual person and their account. I also don't like most of the content. Video from a shaky handheld iPhone camera or an iPhone on a stationary tripod just watching people on a bed hump like dogs, change position, and unnervingly keep glancing at the video camera is not a turnon to me at all. It's almost totally uninteresting to me.

I really never realized there is any kind of creative merit to pornography, but OnlyFans-type homemade porn demonstrates how better lighting, editing and directing makes for better sex videos. And even the 'scripting' to the extent porn is scripted, it turns out, makes a major difference to me. The narrative setup of porn scenes can add dramatic tension, romantic tension, sometimes comical interest, that basically sets up the people we watch on camera to be seen as human beings in a human context, whatever that context is; whereas, watching two or three guys set up a camera, scoot over to a bed, get in position, stick it in, and go through the motions for their next porn post is really depressing to watch, at least for me.

So I don't want to know anything about porn stars individually.

I'm not inclined to subscribe to their self-made narcissistic OnlyFans accounts and watch their low-quality videos and stalk them and feel like I have some kind of relationship with them. I figure most who choose to work in the gay porn industry have countless psychological and probably behavioral and legal problems, and it's disappointing.

Cont.

Sebastian Young was the breaking point for me. I wasn't a fan of his per se but I recognized him and sometimes searched for his videos by name. When I learned what he did and how he died, that was about the most depressing and off putting thing I've ever read. And so many gay-for-pay porners live some version of the same lifestyle.

And I'd like to think that actually gay performers are better, but they seem fucked up, too. I can't remember his name but there was one young guy whose face I thought was beautiful and he was obviously gay-gay, and versatile, and he appeared enjoyed the scenes he was in and all that. And then someone posted here at the beginning of the pandemic that he tweeted that his only problem with COVID is that it's not killing more people and he went on a tirade against old people, overweight people, yada yada, wishing death on them, as if they are too weak and unhealthy to deserve to live, and as if someone who takes loads from three different guys a day is healthy just because he has low body fat.

I am R241 but I found that practice to be pathetic and disgusting R247

R249 Sebastian Young raped his 5 y.o daughter and was shot by cops, while it's sounds repulsive it happened and history remember far worse things so don't overthink past. Plus Sebastian Young wasn't gay-for-pay, he was bisexual evidenced by him cheating on his wife with dude, reports of his hookups on LPSG, his own admission [insert below] and fact that G4P doesn't exist. All those messes like Sergeant Miles, Sebastian Young, Addison from SC, Markie More etc. were never even close to straight; they are just bisexuals who happened to be butch looking and have serious self-loathing problems that affect their whole mind.

As for that guy with "beautiful face" it was Quinn Quire from NextDoor nd Corbin Fischer. He is indeed gay evidenced by his rock hard dick and ability to cum after pulling out. He said Covid will remove all the weaker parts of society and he doesn't want the weaker to dictate how to live.

Imagine you're an overly aggressive straight man with no impulse control, no inhibition and no empathy—a psychopath, basically.

You steal money and go to jail and get out. You beat up a woman multiple times and go to jail for a longer time and have gay sex in jail because that's inevitable, and you get out.

You need money and every job application has a box to check about having prior convictions and if so, why. Your convictions are theft and violence.

You can get a job doing landscaping, lawn management, construction day work.

Someone tells you you can make quick and easy money fucking guys and they don't care if you're a violent criminal, just what you look like. And best of all, they give you Viagra, so all you really have to do is show up and thrust. If you can't cum, they have ways to fake it. You're a narcissist and believe you're the hottest thing walking around on two legs and you need money.

So you do it and immediately have legions of adoring followers who feed your bottomless need for adoration, you make some money, you finally are somebody.

And also, delusional gay guys hit on you, many flirt romantically with you, and it starts to piss you off because this is just a job, and who do they think they are? Do they really think you're going to marry them and have a lovely home together?

You fuck chicks because that's what you actually like to do and the creepy gay guys start harassing you about it.

They don't know anything about who you really are, what you really like to do, your violent inclinations, your criminal history, that you associate gay sex with your time in prison, that you resent them and see them only as cash cows, and one of them makes the mistake of thinking you're going to love him...and you end up back in jail.

R252 Did you cum when you wrote this?

According to study in 2015 done on 153(or something like that) male pornographic actors performing in male-male or male-male-female genre: -51% identify as bisexual -16% identify as pansexual/sexually fluid -15% identify as heterosexual - 18% identify as homosexual

For comparision similar study was done on female performers(166) performing in boy-girl, girl-girl ad girl-boy-girl genre -44% identify as bisexual - 22% as pansexual -26% as heterosexual - 2% as lesbian

Yes so much that nurse had to change my diaper R253

R25 literally nothing is worse than rap!nh a ch!ld—one’s own, no less. How can you possibly handwave or try to justify it? Vile. You’re blocked, and hopefully you get Primetime’d away from here.

Hopefully someone took Young out slowly and painfully and in a humiliating way. Nothing is too good for a nonce to suffer.

Jesus fuckin Christ R256 when I said "history remember worse things" I was thinking about Holocaust, World War II or some things that serial killers did to their victims.... move your fragile ass.

Plus Young is long time dead his corpse rotted long time ago and will be forgotten.

Porn is a business, and performing sex in front of a camera is a commodity. This obsession with performers' sexual identity shows how people still have so many issues with sex. "I saw this guy have sex with men and that must mean he's gay! Now I saw this man have sex with a woman, that means he must be bi! Now I've seen this guy have sex with a tranny ... *head explodes*".

If you can't sit back and enjoy the ride, porn isn't right for you.

Stfu R258 Porn "performers" are 9/10 times far more mentally unstable than any DLer here.

This "obsession" is completly natural curiosity, at the same time you can start whining at scholars who try to know wherever Jesus existed, what sexuality was of some King or Emperor who lived 1000 years ago etc. What were the motives etc.

It may suprise you must there are porn scholars who spend a lot of time debating aspects of pornography...

"You work with a lot of people, trans, gay, lesbian, you just learn to be super open. If you're against gay, you're dumb."

Great only thing that we lacked here was someone mentioning Miss DULLgaty.

I would be almost certainly convinced he is actually straight but he is equally dull with women and was afraid to eat Dante Colle's girlfriend pussy so I guess... asexual?

[quote] Stfu [R258] Porn "performers" are 9/10 times far more mentally unstable than any DLer here.

You are a sad-unhinged cunt. I feel a lot safer around porn performers than being trapped in a room with you.

If you are Malik Delgaty... you are dumb.

It's true, R262, as mentioned before, people turn to porn as a last resort because they are:

A) unable to get a job because they're an ex-con

B) a drug addict

C) mentally ill (sex addict / all-purpose crazy)

D) ALL OF THE ABOVE

Some people clearly need a protector to protect them from their self-destructive urge to overly obsess about porn stars' true sexual identity. May I suggest a shock collar that activates whenever they must express their insane obsession?

And r264. Your obsession with pornstars being A), B), C), and D) has turned you into C)

Most gay pornstars are (as reality and logic would like to expect us) sexually into guys. Bisexuality is just so common and gays aren't some small number.

As well as most of straight pornstars are bi or straight; according to female co-hoes many guys on str8 side like to hookup off camera.

I firmly believe most people are bisexual if they were able to exist without sexual hung ups they got while growing up. There may be 10% Gold Star Gays who never had or will have sex with women, and there are 10% Gold Star Straights who have no intention to ever have sex with someone of the same sex. The rest are various degrees of bi (experimenting in their teenage years, occasional drunken "slip ups", dreaming about presenting their hole to their favorite sport idol, making out with their friend pretending it's for shits and giggles, using sex as a trade or commodity, having a crush on a friend or colleague, engaging in homoerotic hazing and pranks, etc.).

...dreaming about blowing and jacking off that one hot guy from High school until he cums in your mouth, getting fucked during college party with your best friend and his gf, fingering yourself etc.)

[quote] dreaming about presenting their hole to their favorite sport idol

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Joe Dalessandro, one of Warhol's Factory Stars, said he thought of himself as straight as a kid but ending up on the streets and becoming a male prostitute and porn star to feed himself, he ended up realizing he was bisexual.

But not mentally ill enough to be a porn star R265.

I think OP that you are taking porn and porn stars too seriously. It’s porn silly boy and the great majority of those who do porn are very damaged people who probably have little idea of who they are and what they want. I would not project anything on to straight, gay, bi, butch fem male female or anything else. Porn is sex for entertainment- it is extremely exploitive if it’s “stars” many of whom are “escorts” in their day jobs or youngsters with limited options making a quick buck.

r272 Correct. That actually applies to the vast majority of sex workers, in general. And I'm speaking from the perspective of being a former sex worker (stripper). Damaged people. That is the answer. And yes I'm including myself with that descriptor. When I was doing that kind of work I had [bold]a lot[/bold] of emotional and mental health problems, a few of which I'm still recovering from to this day and that was nearly 15 years ago. I look back on it with deep shame but am grateful I'm not in that headspace, anymore.

There are a lot of bisexual guys whose girlfriends doesn't mind them fucking and sucking guys because they know it's only for fun and pleasure, no emotion attached... why not monetize it?

The girlfriend usually benefits from the Gay Dollars more than the Gay4Pay guy showering his girlfriend with gifts. Remember the Sean Cody model Curtis? Apparently, he started to do gay porn to pay for the wedding his fiancée wanted (I believe they divorced some time ago).

Yes I remember him R275 but he was bisexual and liked to hookup with guys. His scene with Ethan was hot.

If your girlfriend doesn’t mind you hooking up with other guys, that’s a huge red flag.

If you are in open relationship and ur gf is also biI don't see anything weird R277

Sexuality is not that rigid, at least not for everyone. You see this is in many cultures like Latin or Arab ones where men will have fun with other men but get married to a woman because they are expected to have kids. A lot of bisexual men suppress their homosexual attraction because of fear of being associated with effeminancy.. Still, they'll go on Grindr or other hookup sites to 69 or mutual JO.

except we arent talking about 'repressed' male sexual urges. We are talking about the rise in formerly (self described) GAY men now fucking women all of a sudden. Im sorry, but there is no one 'repressing' you to fuck pussy - if thats what you really wanted, you would have done it before it became a clicks getter.

And as I said, these guys are the ones putting themselves out there as gay - you all say 'who cares about porn, its all a business' 'they will do whatever'. Ok, so why do they go on screeds about how 'closed minded' gays are? or how gay men need to fuck pussy and if you dont its because you are a misogynist?

These arent G4Pers putting out a ransom scene out, its 'gay' men chastising actual gay men about how they arent real men for not munching pussy. Im looking at you @naughty...(NOT)....gaywelsh

The constant need to classify the sexuality of people who are unlikely sure of where they fall themselves.

The inability to believe that the world is not black and white.

The refusal to accept that marketing has everything to do with how various porn stars true sexuality is portrayed.

Stay gold Datalounge.

Stay gold

Actually we are talking about "2010-2018 period" and this stupid trend of gay guys fucking women is quite recent. Indeed a lot of guys from Nextdoor, Corbin Fischer, Men.com, Sean Cody and all those other evil companies described themselves as bisexual or pansexual or sexually fluid or refused to label themselves. It's because old self loathers started to die and new generation need "light version of G4P" - bisexual guy.

Jesus, someone's furious about gay pornstars fucking pussy? And even more outraged about them saying "don't knock it 'til you tried it?" to the haters?

I mean, I would understand the rage if they gave bad financial advice, but making a big deal about them trying to extend their 15 minutes of pornstar fame?

Relax dudes, it's just sex. On camera.

Do you think the percentage of G4P went up with the advent of Viagra? What did the do before if the actor wasnt slightly turned on?

R284 That was the role of a fluffer on set. They would shoot short penetration takes, simulate some humping, and take breaks between during which the guy would watch straight porn while a fluffer sucked his dick to get him hard again for another short take. Pretty depressing considering they could just find two horny gay or bi guys who actually enjoy what they are doing.

R285 there is NO SUCH THING AS FLUFFER

R284 % of actual Gay-for-pay models was always low : - In 70's basically all performers were gay - In 80's and 90's %of G4P was around 20% - in 00's around 30% - at the beggining of 10's it was also around 30% but after 2015 when all studios went bareback and paycheck got smaller most of the guys of second half of 10's were bisexual with a G4P being around 10% of pornstars.

Now most of the guys are either bi or gay; only studio that basically hire G4P is MEN. Sean cody is almost only gay, Cockyboys also only gay, Corbin Fischer most are bi, NextDoor- bi and gay, Helux only gay....

Since i've never taken viagra, cialis, etc.. Doesn't it only work including in man on man porn scenes if the person taking it IS sexually turned on or attracted to his partner? Otherwise, nothing happens downstairs? Of course if said partner is jacking or blowing you, the stuff IS going to work simply from the pleasure aspect...

I wonder for example, if zeb atlas ever took the stuff since most of his scenes were with half his size, half his age, and plain in the face looking twinks!.. Could he get it up with these guys without assistance? Or needed assistance? Then again, maybe Zeb was attracted to twinks, who knows?

R288 if a guy get pleasure from having gay sex he is at least bi- sex is far more mental than physical thing. The bottoms enjoy being plowed in the ass no because of prostate that is near the end of rectum so there is no way penis head can hit it but because the thought of someone dominating them turn them on.

As for Zeb, he was bisexual no I doubt he needed much stimulation.

R289... interesting comments. I had thought (never bottomed) that the whole pleasure of bottoming was getting the prostate battered into pleasurable ecstasy. Are you stating that the prostate never feels a erection or that the walls of a male ass doesn't feel pleasure when getting screwed?

Ask porn producers, they are responsible for it

Again, all this conflating with G4P etc. Im specifalclly talking about previously GAY identifying (and only shooting gay stuff) now all fucking women. A prime example is UKgymboys. The main twink was always only ever gay, then he got a bi BF and they only did gay scenes for a couple of years. Then 6 months ago they are doing bi threesome and now the 'Gay' one has re labeled himself as BI and does bi porn every second video.

He is just one of many.

Oh wait, I just realised its with 'masculine Jason' who hates gay men - but wants you money and will fuck men for said money while talking about how toxic gay men are, oh and how amazing it is that im not gay and I have a wife etc etc

And all my teeth were removed Gfto

I think you have to consider what ingredients are in a person that lead to a recipe for doing porn.

I imagine these are all common:

—Narcissism. They love what they see when they look at themselves, they want to show it off for others, they expect others to worship them for how they look, and they desperately need attention to get through each day to feel accomplished.

—Mental laziness. They don't want to put in effort and time to cultivate a mind that works for them. Instead, they put in physical effort and time, and they do it so that they can cash in.

—Sex compulsion. Most men think obsessively about sex, but perhaps porn stars are even more compelled to have sex constantly. They likely watch porn constantly and, like a kid with a fish tank who reads about fish and aspires to become a marine biologist, the porn-obsessed young narcissist aspires to become a porn star. If they have any bisexual inclinations, then they will realize they can explore all areas of sexuality with attractive people through this profession.

—Anatomy. Obviously, they have to have (for gay porn) the standardized body and (if male and not a bottom) an unusually large penis in most instances. Today, given how young people reject higher education wholesale in preference of living with their parents and aiming for social media-based adoration through any means possible, I imagine many young guys who realize they have large penises will go the OnlyFans route, learning online that if they start young and have a big dick, they can bank a lot of money from a lot of horny old men.

Abuses. I suspect a huge share of men and women who work in the sex industries were sexually abused from young ages and psychologically understand that people can't keep their hands off of them and that that is where their value lies.

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What most likely don't consider is that they likely will end up as private prostitutes for unattractive old men once they get into this line of work, they'll feel degraded, it will be very hard to resist the pressure to do damaging hard drugs with their peers, they will be in a constant and losing battle of competition with other whores who get younger as they get older, and they will absolutely melt down as they age and begin to lose currency in the sex trades and they won't know how to convert their inclme streams to something mainstream because they forsaken education opportunities and work experiences. Many will die young and tragically after breaking down totally inside from the anxiety of how to salvage their lives after years of self-exploitation.

Most gay pornstars are stupid, lazy attention whores who due to childhood trauma are pround to be fucked for entire world to see.

Bisexuality or at least ability to enjoy sex with both a guy and girl is the least you would expect from them.

R256 Totally agree with you. Child rape, I think she was an infant, is heinous. It shouldn’t be waved off simply because history has given us worse *shudder*. I remember when that happened. Porn nowadays is causing more damage than it did fifteen years ago. With all straight-identified bisexuals in gay porn we’ve opened the floodgates to the kind of characters gay men are indirectly associated with.

[quote] Today, given how young people reject higher education wholesale in preference of living with their parents and aiming for social media-based adoration through any means possible

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Indeed that's true- you need to be really mentally broken and full of traumas to enjoy having sex for a world to see and be proud of it. Those whores just care to get off and get paycheck so it doesn't matter as long as lips and hole feel good.

Sex as an industry is something most cultures do not hold in high regard because it's seen low-effort and a risk for STIs. Even the most liberal and open-minded people deep down would not consider sex work an admirable quality. People are just paying lip service. Most people really wouldn't want to marry or date a sex worker either. It's because of fear of STIs, fear of infidelity, the insecurity of seeing their partner having sex on camera, the inability to have children without fear of them being ridiculed, etc. So for someone to be willing to do this as a legit career rather than just some careless fun and quick cash as a side hustle (doing maybe 1 to 3 years at max) would be seen as a bit "off."

Jesus 300 replies under such a thing. Who cares even if you are hot and they want to plow your hole they are no didferent drom other people.

Drom?

Makes me think of guys like Carl Hardwick, who 1) think they never did gay porn because hey, he only appeared nude and hard, jacked off and came on camera for a 100% studio and 100% gay audience and when not on camera posed fully nude and hard for said studio and so what if he also did a jimmy z show in homoerotic kink wear and let men paw him on stage...

2) allegedly has turned down countless HUGE money offers for one time encounters with men because "the memory would stay with me forever", but yet has no problem with all of his adult work online and everywhere for all to see FOREVER including his now grown children, their friends, neighbors, etc who go online and do a search on rusty jeffers carl hardwick?...Supposedly his wife has no problem with any of this and in fact, was seen as his "pimp" procuring his adult work....

pretzels of the mind for guys like this rationalizing it all away...

And I am Beyonce R6

R303, it’s only gay if you are being sexually intimate with another man.

Didn't one study find that 40% of generation Z responders expressed some arount of same-sex arousal, while 17% identified as bisexual/pansexual, 3% as gay and 2% as lesbian?

It's not so hard to imagine that gay porn would be full of Kinsey 2 guys who might prefer women and/or only date women but also are turned on by guys(muscular lean ones) and have a desire to fuck one?

R305 it’s only gay if you make eye contact.

I notice that many bi/gay-for-pay performers who are top are way more turned on when they are fucking masculine looking guy. How I know they are more turned on?- because they dick is rock hard and when they pulled out cumshot isn't edited- they just cum right after pulling out istead of JO for X amount of time.

For example Kevin Crows fucking Spencer Fox

Kevin Crows reminded me Finnick from Hunger Games hottie. His dick was perfect.

Kevin Crows, easily one of the hottest bisexual guys to appear in gay porn.

R308, i don't know, maybe a hunky musclebound top likes screwing a twink because the twink resembles more of a woman ass (if the musclebound top is bisexual of course) and perhaps a small twink ass is tighter and more pleasurable? Also there is the whole domination/submissive factor between the polar opposites of males in a sex scene...

I always wondered for instance if zeb atlas who 9 out of 10 times was paired with a half his size, half his age twinks (you know the whole muscle daddy with twink storyline) if he enjoyed fucking these twinks and they were more pleasurable to his dick and body then a bigger muscle guy. The only muscle guy that zeb fucked with skye woods I think...

Can you read R311? I said I noticed bi/g4p guy seems to be more turned on when he is fucking a MASCULINE LOOKING GUY not a twink.

Even Malik Delgaty who is "straight" said he prefer fucking "athletic muscular jocks" and judging by his cumshot it's true- when he is paired with some nelly queen he can't even cum but when he gets some muscle manly guy he even came twice once.

R312... yes, I can read. I was just offering up a different thought and opinion than you. You mentioned one guy and I mentioned one guy, they don't have to have the same turn on of who they are screwing and if they get more pleasure than from another now do they? You mentioned one guy (anecdotal evidence) as being the hallmark of all bf/gay for pay men of what they prefer, which seems to be a great generalization.

I think most gay porn stars are gay but a large minority are bisexual. None are straight. The thing is many gay men find only masculine men with little to no gay stereotypical traits attractive. They get off on the idea of a hot straight man being turned “gay” out of being “tricked”, getting drunk or a need for cash. Look at how many gay porn videos put emphasis on situational sexuality with straight guys in the military or jail or being blackmailed or tricked into having gay sex. No straight man would ever do gay porn but many gay porn consumers get aroused by the idea of “gay4pay”. Many bisexual men are masculine and more often than not were socialized as straight growing up, so majority lack gay mannerisms or effeminacy. A bisexual man who wants easy money (and drugs) and an avenue to express their sexuality is more likely to be open to gay porn and escorting for men. Many of these dudes are bottoms too.

Idk there are far more bisexual dudes than gay ones, bisexuals are more likely to be masculine and fit into jock image. And if straight guy finds out he likes sex with guys its most of the times expansion of his sexuality not replacement like he becomes gay and all his lust was pussy was not real.

Because most men are bisexual when horny enough.

Isn't that a good thing

Honestly I used to think it was women who tended to be more bisexual and with guys it's either straight or gay. Now I think bisexuality in men has been underestimated and there isnt that much of a difference between men and women in that sense, or it's not as big as previously thought.

Question about gay pornstars ( especially Sean Cody, Belami, Corbin Fischer, )sexuality will remain a mystery especially since times of self-loathing among gay porn viewers dropped with death of older generation gays.

Compare zoomers with silent generation

28% of zoomers according to Gallup identify as LGBT with 20.7% being bisexual.

When among silent generation its 3% that id as LGBT.

And before anyone will try to comment that most of those 20.7% are edgy girls wanting to feel special then we still has remember about tons of str8 identified men who jerk off to gay porn or hookup with guys.

Even among gay porn whores id as straight and hooking up with guys is compatible- Markus Kage id as str8 and in podcast said he from time to time hookup with guys.

R319

Of the 28% of GenZ

Actually it’s 15.3% of GenZ self-identify as Bi …

3.0% self identify as Lesbian…

2.8% self identify as Trans….

2.6% self-identify as Gay men….and 1% as +++ or other

What was not done was any survey of sexual activities only how people self identify.

R319

And Gallup did not have Gen Z at 28% but just a little over 22% GLBTQ ++

Still its over 1 in 5; which is far more than 1-2% that homophobes want to believe.

R322

Almost one in five for GenZ as self reported.

About 7% for the US as a whole. And that 7% is not all that far from the normal estimate of 6% GLBTQ++.for the country that we have seen for years.

But the numbers for gay men 1.4% of the US population , not just GenZ, is no doubt lower than a lot of people would have guessed.

1.4% of men who are identify as homosexual is definitely much lower than % of men who are homosexual but much more interesting thing is what % of men is bisexual. Its probably as high as 20-40%; I don't see any reason why men wouldn't be as likely to be bisexual as women and there are multiple reasons why bisexual men would identify as straight. If anything I think men are more likely to be non-straight than women.

R324

Absolutely no one is asking if someone is homosexual. That means nothing as far as this recent survey. For Gallup it’s gay men, lesbians, Bi s, Trans, and other.

Even back in the 1960s CDC was never asking if someone is a homosexual.

1.4% are gay men is what the professional survey is showing. But it’s 2024 people can make up their own facts and state their own truths as they want.

R324

4.4% of the US population self identifies as Bi not 20%—40%

Self identity =/= is