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Jackie Zeman is DEAD TO ME

RIP, Barbara Jean

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by Anonymousreply 468May 27, 2023 2:15 AM

Jacklyn Zeman has been a beloved member of the ‘General Hospital’ and ABC family since she originated the iconic role of Bobbie Spencer over 45 years ago. She leaves behind a lasting legacy for her Emmy-nominated portrayal of the bad girl turned heroine and will always be remembered for her kind heart and radiant spirit.

We are devastated by the news of her passing, and send our deepest condolences to Jackie’s family, friends and loved ones.

by Anonymousreply 1May 11, 2023 3:08 AM

May she R.I.P. I'm hoping there will be a grand sendoff for Bobbie onscreen. Terrible to find this out.

by Anonymousreply 2May 11, 2023 3:29 AM

Ok - that just tears it. People from my youth are dying. I used to race home on the school bus to see bad girl Nurse Bobbi scheme to get Scotty away from Laura. Didn’t she pretend to be pregnant? Argh. We are all getting old.

by Anonymousreply 3May 11, 2023 3:41 AM

I was never really a big GH fan, but I always liked her when I did watch.

by Anonymousreply 4May 11, 2023 3:45 AM

I wasn’t expecting that! She was such an integral part of GH for decades-wasn’t Luke put on contract to take some heat off the Bobbie character, who the audience hated for breaking up Laura and Scotty?

If they make her memorial all about that asshole daughter Carly and that mumbling lunatic Sonny, I will toss a brick through my TV screen.

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by Anonymousreply 6May 11, 2023 3:57 AM

I never knew that Sarsh Michelle Gellar's Twitter handle is GayPatriot.

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by Anonymousreply 7May 11, 2023 3:57 AM

They should let Sarah Brown play Carly for the funeral scenes.

by Anonymousreply 8May 11, 2023 4:00 AM

I loved Jackie but....

70? Was that in Zeta Jones years?

by Anonymousreply 9May 11, 2023 4:14 AM

Last spring I went through a phase of watching 80s GH on YouTube. She was a great actress, and old Hollywood-style beautiful.

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by Anonymousreply 11May 11, 2023 4:27 AM

Very sad to hear this.

She drove so much story in the 80s and 90s.


by Anonymousreply 12May 11, 2023 4:35 AM

A few weeks ago. Oh my.!!

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by Anonymousreply 13May 11, 2023 4:37 AM

This was Bobbies reaction at the Nurses Ball last month. In hindsight I suppose we should have realized something was up.

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by Anonymousreply 14May 11, 2023 4:40 AM

Jackie had so many surgeries over the years it's a miracle she could move her face.

by Anonymousreply 15May 11, 2023 4:41 AM

There’s a NYE video from her IG where she’s clearly wearing a wig. How sad.

by Anonymousreply 16May 11, 2023 4:58 AM

A little over a month ago.

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by Anonymousreply 17May 11, 2023 4:59 AM

R17 She wishes she looked that good. Those filters are annoying.

by Anonymousreply 18May 11, 2023 5:15 AM

She would slap. Viciously.

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by Anonymousreply 19May 11, 2023 5:16 AM

"Sarsh Michelle Gellar's Twitter handle is GayPatriot"

She oughtta know- she MARRIED one!

by Anonymousreply 20May 11, 2023 5:22 AM

Why did she fuck up Her face ? She had the perfect natural nose

by Anonymousreply 21May 11, 2023 5:35 AM

She had a lot of charisma on GH

by Anonymousreply 22May 11, 2023 5:36 AM

I loved her Jersey accent.

by Anonymousreply 23May 11, 2023 5:46 AM

I’m shocked. Used to watch GH with my mother. I remember her mostly from the years she owned the Brownstone. I haven’t watched the show in years, but I was recently channel surfing and she was on. She was such a mainstay. I am curious how she died. I hate to say it, but I hope it wasn’t during a cosmetic procedure. It looks like she had multiple facelifts.

by Anonymousreply 24May 11, 2023 6:17 AM

My first thought for cause of death was tragic plastic surgery fatality, after a certain age anesthesia becomes harder to tolerate. Official story is cancer, but who knows. Isn't hubby a plastic surgeon? Would be bad for business.

by Anonymousreply 25May 11, 2023 6:24 AM

This is all that bitch Nina’s fault!

by Anonymousreply 26May 11, 2023 6:42 AM

R8 That would be epic. If anything, they'll probably have Sarah back as a guest performer, similar to Yvette Nicole Brown at Epiphany's service. Possibly Tamara Braun too, although she left on bad terms.

by Anonymousreply 27May 11, 2023 6:58 AM

How old was Jackie. I do know she was married to the late 1960s DJ Murray the K.

by Anonymousreply 28May 11, 2023 7:00 AM

Murray was 30 years older than Jackie. He died of cancer shortly after they divorced in 1981.

by Anonymousreply 29May 11, 2023 7:08 AM

How the hell could she only be 70? I agree that must be in dog years.

by Anonymousreply 30May 11, 2023 7:11 AM

R30....I thought the same thing. No fucking way was she 70. I was a little kid when she was on GH. Oh hell no!!. Calling her 70 is like calling Maxie 150 pounds at the Nurses Ball. LIES!!

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by Anonymousreply 31May 11, 2023 7:26 AM

Vee, who’s in the biz, is making this all about HIm. Fucking asswipe. RIP Jackie and fuck off Vee, who’s in the biz.

by Anonymousreply 32May 11, 2023 7:36 AM

The Hollywood Reporter article title was Jacklyn Zeman Dead. So cold and callus.

by Anonymousreply 33May 11, 2023 7:47 AM

R.I.P Jackie, thanks for all the good memories . for 3 yrs, I'd hurry home from school to watch GH, and Always loved your storylines. Really sad.

by Anonymousreply 34May 11, 2023 7:52 AM

I liked her, I was a big GH in the mid to late ‘80s & loved the rivalry between Lucy & her. I only tune in every now& then I watched the Nurses’ Ball eps, & it was so nice to see her, I laughed out loud when Lucy crashed though the banner during Bobbie’s eulogy of her, & her stunned reaction, “Lucy, you’re alive?!?”

I remember a jokey Soap Opera Digest pic of her titled: Orange You in a Good Mood? She’ll be missed, she brought a lot of happiness to so many people.

by Anonymousreply 35May 11, 2023 7:54 AM

Has Rachel Ames commented yet?

by Anonymousreply 36May 11, 2023 7:56 AM

Will Terry Brock or Jake Meyer or HOT Lucas come back for the funeral? Considering how thin and pathetic the Nurses Ball was I can't imagine how cheap Bobbies Funeral will be.

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by Anonymousreply 37May 11, 2023 8:05 AM

[quote]So cold and callus.

Oh, dear.

by Anonymousreply 38May 11, 2023 8:05 AM

R37, I'm surprised General Hospital is still on.

by Anonymousreply 39May 11, 2023 8:11 AM

They should have B.J. come and escort her into the great beyond.

by Anonymousreply 40May 11, 2023 8:24 AM

And then castigate Maxie for straining her heart!

by Anonymousreply 41May 11, 2023 8:26 AM

GH is unwatchable. It's also very cheaply done and it shows. Jake looks like he is ready to go on a rampage at any moment. You can see how badly he wants to off his whore mother. Of course that would be interesting so GH won't go there.

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by Anonymousreply 42May 11, 2023 8:33 AM

An old story on her foreclosure.

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by Anonymousreply 43May 11, 2023 8:38 AM

Will Lucas Lorenzo Spencer come out of hiding (and his faked death) to attend her funeral? Were they close?

by Anonymousreply 44May 11, 2023 8:52 AM

Alan Sarapa and that fat slob Casey hutchinson can both shut the fuck up now. They are assholes. They deserve each other. Pretending to care about Jackie when they have both criticized her plastic surgeries. Hypocritical assholes.

by Anonymousreply 45May 11, 2023 9:07 AM

R45, why did she have so much plastic surgery?

by Anonymousreply 46May 11, 2023 9:14 AM

I hope they have the good sense to wait until the strike is over to memorialize her. This shouldn't be left to the scabs.

And Sarah Brown will appear if asked.

by Anonymousreply 47May 11, 2023 9:48 AM

Her face predeceased her.

by Anonymousreply 48May 11, 2023 10:52 AM

It’s gonna kill me when Rick Springfield dies

by Anonymousreply 49May 11, 2023 11:03 AM

Irony. Constance Towers outlived Jackie Zeman.

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by Anonymousreply 50May 11, 2023 11:10 AM

Lots of assholes in this thread. Wow.

And not sure why 70 seems so unbelievable. Genie is 60 and Kin is 69. Bobbie was in that age group when she arrived.

by Anonymousreply 51May 11, 2023 11:20 AM

Very shocking and sad news. This death hurt. So many from my youth, (90s kid) are dying.

by Anonymousreply 52May 11, 2023 11:43 AM

Sad. I believe she was 70. The math works. Funny what you learn after the fact tho. According to Wikipedia her first movie credit was Deep Throat Part 2.

by Anonymousreply 53May 11, 2023 11:56 AM

I just saw it on the news this morning. Only 70. Loved her on General Hospital back in the day.

Rest in peace Nurse Barbara Jean "Boobie" Spencer Brock Meyer Jones Cassadine

by Anonymousreply 54May 11, 2023 12:11 PM

Omg, watching the clips at R19, I forgot that Bobbie was married to Tony. That’s when GH was still good in the Brenda years. I can’t believe how bad the show got. They sidelined the vets and any new character that came along was barely featured unless they were involved with the unholy trio of Sonny/Jason/Carly and the endless dumb mob storylines. Are they still dominating the show? I thought OLTL was the far superior show at the time of cancelation, but GH had more of a legacy and I guess higher rated. It’s crazy how in like 20 years, they went from dozens of soap operas, the genre having its own cable channel, magazines etc.. to 4 shows now left.

by Anonymousreply 55May 11, 2023 12:14 PM

I think soap operas will make a comeback in 20 years, but with new shows. Not GH, not OLTL. Completely new shows.

by Anonymousreply 56May 11, 2023 12:17 PM

I don't know how these soaps survive. Huge casts, sets, writers, hair/make up and crew... and for what? 2-3M viewers on a good day.

by Anonymousreply 57May 11, 2023 12:18 PM

That’s every day. That’s not bad. Luke and Laura’s wedding scored 30 million.

by Anonymousreply 58May 11, 2023 12:23 PM

Lol, R57, streaming platforms will spend $100 million on prestige limited series that reach a fraction of that.

Abbott Elementary, ABC’s primetime break out hit, does 3 million in L+3 on a good week.

by Anonymousreply 59May 11, 2023 12:28 PM

Hey - GH has something like 200,000 women 18-49 viewers - their target demo. That’s enormous! lololololololololol

by Anonymousreply 60May 11, 2023 12:31 PM

That Barbara Jean is a HUSSY!

by Anonymousreply 61May 11, 2023 12:37 PM

I was surprised at the people who were questioning her age. When she started on GH in the late 70s, she was part of the "young" scene. 70 seems about right.

by Anonymousreply 62May 11, 2023 12:45 PM

Given that she was just on a few days ago and Leslie Charleston hasn’t been seen for over a year, this is really not the GH obit I was expecting to read.

This one hurts.

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by Anonymousreply 63May 11, 2023 12:51 PM

[quote] I think soap operas will make a comeback in 20 years, but with new shows. Not GH, not OLTL. Completely new shows.

What an odd and arbitrary prediction.

by Anonymousreply 64May 11, 2023 12:52 PM

Why, kween?^

by Anonymousreply 65May 11, 2023 12:54 PM

I think Rick Springfield would appear as well.

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by Anonymousreply 66May 11, 2023 12:54 PM

I just want to see Viki Sleestak again.

by Anonymousreply 67May 11, 2023 12:59 PM

Jackie took Jessie’s blue sweater when Emily McLaughlin passed. I wonder if she still had it? I’m gonna tweet Jackie’s daughters and ask them.

by Anonymousreply 68May 11, 2023 1:01 PM

Poor Kin Shriner must be devastated.

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by Anonymousreply 69May 11, 2023 1:26 PM

R7 r20 I never watched General Hospital. Who is Gay Patriot and WTF is "WDW gay concentration camp"?

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by Anonymousreply 70May 11, 2023 1:36 PM

She was truly a terrific actress. One of her best storylines. One of GH best storylines

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by Anonymousreply 71May 11, 2023 1:39 PM

Gay Patriot is some conservative troll who trolled re Jackie's death. He has absolutely zero to do with the show or anything related to Jackie, he just made a joke in very poor taste.

by Anonymousreply 72May 11, 2023 1:39 PM

TVLine article

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by Anonymousreply 73May 11, 2023 1:40 PM

I’m just remembering Wendy Rich announcing John Beradino’s death when she accepted the Best Series Emmy in 1996. That was said, but you know, he was…old. Jackie wasn’t old. Except that now, she’s only about ten years younger than he was when he died.

by Anonymousreply 74May 11, 2023 2:25 PM

Sad and yes, surprising news. I think the age is right. I found high school yearbook pics of her on ancestry.com from 1969 and she looked about 16ish in them.

I haven't watched GH regularly since about 1996, and only rarely tuned in since then, and the quality of the show has dropped dramatically since then, but when she was on, she never phoned it in. She really added a lot of heart to the show. Her acting during the BJ dying storyline was one of the most heartbreaking things on the show.

by Anonymousreply 75May 11, 2023 2:36 PM

GH at its best, R71.

by Anonymousreply 76May 11, 2023 2:41 PM

She is now home with the Lord.

by Anonymousreply 77May 11, 2023 2:54 PM

Victoria Lord?

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by Anonymousreply 79May 11, 2023 3:03 PM

Tracy Lord(s).

by Anonymousreply 80May 11, 2023 3:03 PM

Has Jane Elliot issued a statement yet?

by Anonymousreply 81May 11, 2023 3:23 PM

SJB's tweet was warm and detailed. LW's tweet was short and matter of fact: "RIP, Jackie. Thanks for giving us Bobbie Spencer to enjoy all these years." Even Snarly Jr. Eden's statement was warmer. Gawd, I can't stand LW.

by Anonymousreply 82May 11, 2023 3:34 PM

We used to call her Jackie Semen.

by Anonymousreply 83May 11, 2023 3:36 PM

Sure, kween^.

by Anonymousreply 84May 11, 2023 3:37 PM

She always brought the goods.

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by Anonymousreply 85May 11, 2023 4:11 PM

Has Chavez commented yet? Or is he all about himself and ME ME ME?

by Anonymousreply 86May 11, 2023 4:30 PM

R47 IA with both

by Anonymousreply 87May 11, 2023 4:32 PM

R82 LW never surprises me lol not at all. Out of all of the Carly's, she seemed to have the least mother/daughter chemistry with Jackie.

by Anonymousreply 88May 11, 2023 4:34 PM

Laura Snaggletooth Sisk is lucky she escaped that gas station in Maryland. What a fucking cunt.

by Anonymousreply 89May 11, 2023 4:43 PM

[quote]LW never surprises me lol not at all. Out of all of the Carly's, she seemed to have the least mother/daughter chemistry with Jackie.

By the time Laura Wright joined in late 2005, the show was barely using Jackie Zeman. Brian Frons had ordered that Bobbie was no longer a character the show should write for since she was over 50 and should only be used minimally. Frons did that with virtually all the veteran actors except Luke and Tracey.

So, when LW came on the show JZ was rarely around for them to play mother-daughter scenes together.

by Anonymousreply 90May 11, 2023 4:46 PM

Is LW the current Carly? I really only like Sara Brown and her replacement.

by Anonymousreply 91May 11, 2023 4:47 PM

Yes, LW's stank ass currently pollutes GH as the fourth Carly.

Before that, she stank up Guiding Light and Loving/The City.

by Anonymousreply 92May 11, 2023 4:56 PM

I was shocked to hear this news. I watched GH in the 1980s. I know none of us ever expects to hear something like this. This one hit me hard just like the death of Lisa Brown (from GL and ATWT). It was reported that Lisa also had a battle with cancer. This does make me a bit sad.

by Anonymousreply 93May 11, 2023 4:57 PM

LW *did* have a longer tribute on her Instagram page, apparently.

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by Anonymousreply 94May 11, 2023 5:00 PM

I’m waiting for Tamara Braun’s statement. She and JZ were very, very close during her Carly years and after.

by Anonymousreply 95May 11, 2023 6:06 PM

She really did luck into a charmed career. I think she did a few bit parts in Hollywood, then took a class in soap opera technique where a daytime programming casting director spotted her.

And that was that.

by Anonymousreply 96May 11, 2023 9:50 PM

[quote]She really did luck into a charmed career. I think she did a few bit parts in Hollywood, then took a class in soap opera technique where a daytime programming casting director spotted her.

I don’t think this sort of thing happens anymore, and it’s sad. I always loved these stories.

by Anonymousreply 97May 11, 2023 10:00 PM

A class in soap opera technique would be hilarious to watch. I’m picturing Henry Winkler’s character in Barry.

by Anonymousreply 98May 11, 2023 10:03 PM

It's warmed my cold, black heart to see how much out an outpouring of emotion there's been on social media. Bobbie hadn't been front and center for over 20 years, and yet there are scores of people posting memories of her. And a lot of the cast member tributes have been lovely.

by Anonymousreply 99May 11, 2023 10:19 PM

She just always seemed so grateful to still be around. She often tweeted Frank, thanking him for including Bobbie in an episode. It was kind of sad, really. She helped build that show and then ended up thanking that hack for an appearance here and there.

by Anonymousreply 100May 11, 2023 10:22 PM

There was a school in NYC that taught soap opera acting techniques for many years (along with regular television acting and commercial acting) called Weist Barron. I think it's actually still around in some form under different ownership, but not sure they still teach the specific soap technique. Larkin Malloy was one of the teachers there for a while. Some of the alumni that became stars in the biz included Peter Reckell and Crystal Chappell.

by Anonymousreply 101May 11, 2023 10:35 PM

Has Tony Geary commented on Barbara Jean's death?

by Anonymousreply 102May 11, 2023 10:52 PM

That clip at R85 reminds me a bit of the SMG Kendell - Lucci Erica scenes. When is the last time a younger actress or actor came on and truly invigorated the show with fresh blood and elevated a veteran's scenes? Also, when is the last time they let a confrontation go on like that without doing a quick cut-away to another scene? I understand why they sped soaps up, but sometimes you really should milk out the drama when things come to a head, and am not sure that happens that much anymore.

If I remember correctly, the Bobbie-Carly relationship did not magically heal when Bobbie finally accepted that Carly was her daughter. There was no insta-bond.

by Anonymousreply 103May 11, 2023 10:56 PM

[quote]Has Tony Geary commented on Barbara Jean's death?

His twitter hasn't been active since 2015. I don't think social media is really his style.

by Anonymousreply 104May 11, 2023 11:02 PM

except grindr or more likely growlr

by Anonymousreply 105May 11, 2023 11:05 PM

[quote]Why did she fuck up Her face ? She had the perfect natural nose

I dunno, but she'd been messing with her looks for a long time. That was a topic on various discussion boards more than 20 years ago, when the character was still getting stories of her own. Around '99, she suddenly had enormous breasts (predictable nicknames ensued: "Boobie," "Boobzilla"), and her face started to get that stretched, inappropriately surprised look.

If I were to see a 1999-2001 clip, the work she had had done at that time would probably look mild now, because she went back for more and more in ensuing decades, but it was startling at the time. Not in a good way.

Someone above noted that Frons didn't want her heavily featured, but she had had a decreased presence for a while before he got there. I always wondered if the extreme cosmetic surgery was a reason. If she were trying to maintain an appearance of youth and vitality in hopes of still being in the thick of things, it was bad strategy. I stopped seeing her in Excedrin commercials talking about her migraines around that time too.

None of that takes away from the major point that her death is sad news, and she was a major presence on that show for a long time. I hope whatever the cause was, it was a peaceful and painless passage.

by Anonymousreply 106May 11, 2023 11:08 PM

[quote]except grindr or more likely growlr

More like criplr or gimpr, since he retired due to a major back problem.

by Anonymousreply 107May 11, 2023 11:14 PM

"Here you are feeling up your post-pubesecent girlfriend in my house with my son upstairs. And you have the gall to sue me for custody on moral grounds!" Her infamous Emmy clip from 1997

by Anonymousreply 108May 11, 2023 11:20 PM

She was naturally beautiful. Her insecurities ( being in this cruel town) got the best of her . Plastic surgery is the devil. The name “ PLASTIC “ is telling

by Anonymousreply 109May 11, 2023 11:26 PM

Kin Shriner tribute.

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by Anonymousreply 110May 11, 2023 11:37 PM

I loved when Bobbie would call Lucy "that woman".

by Anonymousreply 111May 11, 2023 11:38 PM

[quote] Has Tony Geary commented on Barbara Jean's death?

He's deferred to Susan Dey.

by Anonymousreply 112May 11, 2023 11:40 PM

R110 Kin looks great !

by Anonymousreply 113May 11, 2023 11:41 PM

Has Robyn Bernard emerged from the stairwell to pay tribute?

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by Anonymousreply 114May 11, 2023 11:44 PM

Kin is still attractive but damn was he a hottie back in the day. I loved Jackie Z, but more in a camp way. In her early years she always reminded me of Magenta. The show's second tier cast (Scotty. Bobbie, the Quartermaines, the Webbers, Heather) were always what kept me watching. Luke and Laura irritated me; he was a jerk and she was an idiot.

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by Anonymousreply 115May 11, 2023 11:46 PM

R114, Terry was insufferable. Such overacting ugh

by Anonymousreply 116May 11, 2023 11:51 PM

Is that Rhoda's husband Joe at R114 ? Good acting by JZ - but he could have been in a Carol Burnette skit and hopefully the woman in the stairs exited the show shortly after.

by Anonymousreply 117May 11, 2023 11:57 PM

New York Times obit

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by Anonymousreply 118May 11, 2023 11:58 PM

[quote]Why did she fuck up Her face ?

Because Hollywood is cruel to aging actresses.

by Anonymousreply 119May 12, 2023 12:17 AM

Genie's husband, Jonathan Frakes, even tweeted his praise and condolences. She really was well liked.

by Anonymousreply 120May 12, 2023 12:23 AM

R90 True, yet it was also Jill Farren Phelps who had a problem with most older women too (and non-blondes) unless they were friends of hers (like LW).

What I'm saying is that between 2005-present, their scenes together over the years have always seemed non-mother/daughter, compared to the others.

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by Anonymousreply 122May 12, 2023 12:58 AM

Oh...Kin's tribute 😭

by Anonymousreply 123May 12, 2023 1:00 AM

R106 Oh right I'd forgotten all about her being an Excedrin spokesperson lol

Right she was starting to get phased out shortly before Frons arrived, then Frons/Phelps pretty much phased her out entirely. I felt bad for her since she wanted to stay on; although the plastic surgery most likely played into it, I can't blame her for getting it, for she was working in a youth-obsessed industry and unfortunately, GH wasn't interested in too many actresses over 40 at that time, seeing how Felicia was phased out as well and Lucy wasn't brought back full-time after Port Charles ended. Frons/Phelps were like-minded in the sense that they preferred younger actresses, give or take a few exceptions. Carly was the leading female by then and with the mob front and center, Bobbie unfortunately became secondary as Carly's mom. It wasn't until Frank and Ron that Bobbie was on more, even if for not too long, she got more under them than she did under Frons/Phelps, who had her relocated to Seattle.

by Anonymousreply 124May 12, 2023 1:01 AM

R92 😆 😆

by Anonymousreply 125May 12, 2023 1:06 AM

R96 There's a story of how she landed the role on GH- apparently her character on OLTL, Lana McClain, was killed off. In her final scenes, Gloria Monty happened to see the episode on the monitors at the ABC studio. She was impressed and stated that she wanted that actress on GH.

by Anonymousreply 126May 12, 2023 1:10 AM

R103 Actually the character of Carly was loosely based off of the Erica/Kendall storyline. Sarah Michelle Gellar had even auditioned for Carly after being fired from AMC, as well as Tara Reid, Steve Burton's then-girlfriend. Someone suggested to SMG that she shouldn't even go out for the role, since it was too similar to Kendall, and that she should try her luck outside of soaps, leading to her being cast as Buffy.

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by Anonymousreply 128May 12, 2023 1:34 AM

Honestly, how did Jackie not win awards?

by Anonymousreply 129May 12, 2023 2:00 AM

She lost her three Emmy races to Rena Sofer, Cynthia Watros, and Michelle Stafford. For whatever reason, she wasn't nominated for the work she did in 1998.

by Anonymousreply 130May 12, 2023 2:13 AM

She was also nominated in 1981 when she lost to Jane Elliott.

by Anonymousreply 131May 12, 2023 2:15 AM

Either Jackie or Sydney Penny should have won in 1995 over Rena Sofer.

by Anonymousreply 132May 12, 2023 2:26 AM

WHET the actress who played the nutty and dangerous Heather Webber back in the 80s? She was really good too.

I think that Zeman was lucky to have not been relegated to standing behind the nurses' station with a black polyester sweater over her nurse's uniform like poor Emily McLaughlin as Nurse Jessie Brewer! McLaughlin also remained on General Hospital from the very first episode until the day she died!

by Anonymousreply 133May 12, 2023 6:59 AM

R133 Robin Mattson? She was Heather during the 80's. Very good actress, although retired now, for the most part. Now whenever Heather appears from here on out, they will still have her played by Alley Mills.

by Anonymousreply 134May 12, 2023 7:14 AM

This pic from Robin Mattson’s Instagram made me feel 100 years old.

I don’t want Gina Capwell or Heather Webber worried about hip surgery.

Jackie left GH briefly i!n 1981, didn’t she? I am surprised Marland didn’t nab her for Guiding Light like he did with Jane Elliot. He always spoke highly of Jackie.

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by Anonymousreply 135May 12, 2023 7:29 AM

Yes, Jackie was off GH in late 1981 or early 1982 for about 6 months. Seeing if she could land other acting gigs. When nothing ever came up, Gloria welcomed her back to GH.

If Marland had nabbed her, what role would he have given her on GL? What late 20s female characters were debuting at that point? Lisa Brown was already the star of the GL as Nola by that point.

by Anonymousreply 136May 12, 2023 8:11 AM

The two that come to mind (and she probably wouldn’t have been right for either) is a recast Rita Bauer, or Maureen Reardon. I can’t see Jackie as a matriarch figure even though Bobbie sort of took on that role.

by Anonymousreply 137May 12, 2023 8:14 AM

For either Rita or Maureen, it would have been a bit of deSORASing going on for Jackie to play the part.

Maureen debuted in late January 1982, so the timing would certainly have been right for Jackie to play the part.

Rita was so identified with Lenore Kasdorf, I doubt Marland would have risked fan outrage recasting Rita with someone else just six months after Rita left town in summer 1981. But it would have been intriguing casting to put Jackie in the part.

by Anonymousreply 138May 12, 2023 8:26 AM

She fucked *everyone* through the years over there. God bless and rest easy, you’ve earned it.

by Anonymousreply 139May 12, 2023 8:29 AM

That fat stupid fucker CaseySHutch has to insert his fat ass into everything by sending a tribute to Jackie to everyone in soapland- making it all about himself and not Jackie. Fat Casey never even met Jackie. Dumb soap twitter fans. No wonder the execs laugh at the fans. Inserting his fat ass as if he was a GH cast member was a stupid idea.

by Anonymousreply 140May 12, 2023 10:31 AM

[quote] I don’t want Gina Capwell or Heather Webber worried about hip surgery.

I think I’d read somewhere that Robin has Parkinson’s, which is even worse, somehow.

[quote] She lost her three Emmy races to Rena Sofer, Cynthia Watros, and Michelle Stafford. For whatever reason, she wasn't nominated for the work she did in 1998.

I don’t even know which of those I think she deserved it the most. I perhaps have the strongest memories of 1998.

by Anonymousreply 141May 12, 2023 11:40 AM

As GH devolved over the years, so did the character of Heather Grant Webber. She returned periodically (Mattson) but each time her character got sillier to the point she was finally a cartoon. GH has a terrible habit of bringing back fan favorite characters only to thoroughly trash them. Also see Frisco Jones, Rick Webber, Paul Hornsby, Holly Sutton, Duke Lavery -- I think Robert Scorpio is one of the characters to come back more or less intact, and that because Tristan Rogers will fight for it.

by Anonymousreply 142May 12, 2023 11:50 AM

Never heard of Robin having Parkinson's, but she did have knee surgery last summer and also needed to have hip surgery according to a posting she made on social media back in November. With all of that happening, it's not so surprising they had to recast.

by Anonymousreply 143May 12, 2023 11:56 AM

[quote]GH has a terrible habit of bringing back fan favorite characters only to thoroughly trash them. Also see Frisco Jones, Rick Webber, Paul Hornsby, Holly Sutton, Duke Lavery

...Stefan Cassadine. Not a decades-spanning character with a storied history, but he did have many fans from his first run, and his return was so annihilating that if you had liked him before, you wished they'd left well enough alone. First they had him get half his face burned off, and then he was skulking around in the tunnels trying to rape Lydia.

by Anonymousreply 144May 12, 2023 12:07 PM

I forgot to mention both Sean Donely (who reverted to being a ruthless con man after decades of redemption) and Dr. Noah Drake (who went from charming bachelor to alcoholic jerk who abandoned his sons). I think the powers that be must hate classic GH knowing what shit they're producing now, so they deliberately seek out its annihilation. In one of the most bizarre rewrites of history, they had Susan Moore give birth to twins and not even know it. LOL

by Anonymousreply 145May 12, 2023 12:17 PM

I think Robin reminds me a bit of Marj Dusay. Both are/were talented and both did great work. Both had characters that leaned into villainy and comedy and both have played roles in a very grand and over the top way.

For Robin: Gina on SB, Heather on GH, and Janet on AMC

For Marj: Alex on GL, Pamela on SB and Vanessa on AMC

I think "over the top" is a hard tightrope to walk and sometimes writers and directors either want to make it all even bigger, or just don't direct and let the actor go big. Anyway, I think both of them had the situation R142 describes.....where the character devolves or just becomes a cartoon.

by Anonymousreply 146May 12, 2023 2:24 PM

R101 was it like the Haney School of Television Acting? Always say your lines into the orange juice can and never EVER look into the tomato juice can.

by Anonymousreply 147May 12, 2023 2:25 PM

R52 they are from my early adulthood…I was probably around 22 late 70s when the ABC soaps were at their best.

I feel extremely vulnerable as they die off….must have been exactly how my parents felt as their peers died off

As far as her awful plastic surgery, she looked no worse than other celebrities her age that filled their faces with filler.

by Anonymousreply 148May 12, 2023 4:05 PM

Kin's Insta tribute was touching, but it obviously took some time to put togther. Seems like family, friends and the show knew about her cancer battle.

This year's Nurses Ball gave her a bigger story than usual and also had a flashback tribute. Looking back now, it certainly seems like a well deserved "send me my flowers while I'm still around" homage to her. Similar to the one they gave TG.

by Anonymousreply 149May 12, 2023 4:08 PM

The obese soap twitter queens had to make it all about them! They texted the stars! Give people room to grieve!

Is there gonna be another soap twitter funeral? What a joke!

by Anonymousreply 150May 12, 2023 4:11 PM

She sure knew how to slap a bitch.

by Anonymousreply 151May 12, 2023 4:21 PM

As if that huge porker bitter twitter queen Casey had to tag Valentini and say “look at this tribute I did for Jackie”. Um, fatso Casey, Frank has more access to old time GH than you’ll ever have. Frank doesn’t need some fat frau to send him old GH clips. So stupid.

That tribute clip that fat Casey did wasn’t about Jackie. It was about Fatso trying to get himself a job on GH. So shameful.

by Anonymousreply 152May 12, 2023 4:24 PM

Obese soap twitter is CREEPY! They think they are personal friends with the stars and execs. Those people do not care about you! They will end up as toilet scrubbers at the studio, just like Vee, who is in the biz, you know. Vee is in the biz! You know!

by Anonymousreply 153May 12, 2023 4:28 PM

The show definitely knew. Not only the Nurse's Ball tribute and the Spencer women photo but having Bobbie blow a kiss as she exited the gatehouse after the photo.

by Anonymousreply 154May 12, 2023 4:34 PM

Is there a clip? I want to see!

by Anonymousreply 155May 12, 2023 4:36 PM

I found. Good clip. I cried.

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by Anonymousreply 156May 12, 2023 4:41 PM

Blowing the kiss at 2:40.

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by Anonymousreply 157May 12, 2023 4:48 PM

I was very moved by all the kind tributes to Jackie. Kinda nice to think you get that kind of reward for being a kind and decent person.

by Anonymousreply 158May 12, 2023 5:46 PM

I thought that NB montage was for her actual show anniversary? I could be wrong. A lot of the cast seems shocked so I’m not entirely sure most of them knew.

I know people dragged her acting but I thought she gave some terrific performances over the years. I loved her and Kin in this scene.

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by Anonymousreply 159May 12, 2023 6:06 PM

For a moment I thought it was Barbra Jean from Reba.

Don't really know this one.

by Anonymousreply 160May 12, 2023 6:51 PM

Aw, Kristina...

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by Anonymousreply 161May 12, 2023 7:00 PM

From Kimberly McCullough:

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by Anonymousreply 162May 12, 2023 7:05 PM

R135 I'm guessing that she wasn't interested in anymore soap roles at that time, so that could be why Douglas didn't cast her, for she probably was trying her luck in prime time or films, seeing how GH wasn't her first soap. She might've figured if it didn't work out, shed just go back to GH.

by Anonymousreply 163May 12, 2023 7:25 PM

*she'd just go back to GH

by Anonymousreply 164May 12, 2023 7:25 PM

R139 Name names or it didn't happen 😆 😆

by Anonymousreply 165May 12, 2023 7:34 PM

Tamara Braun on Instagram:

[quote] I don’t have the words. This shocks and hurts too much for words. I want to hug you. Laugh with you. Share stories. Talk real talk because that’s what we did. I can not believe this is true. How is this true? I don’t have the words right now. I’m heartbroken. My love is with you and your beautiful Cassidy and Lacey, your beautiful grand babies, your fur babies and everyone who was lucky enough to know your heart and love. No words to do you justice. This really hurts. I love you. I cannot believe this. #love

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by Anonymousreply 166May 12, 2023 7:58 PM

Someone mentioned the parallels between Jackie's passing and Lisa Brown (an actress who was on GL and ATWT) and they gave me a moment of pause.

Both played characters created by Douglas Marland, bad girls who came to town to stir shit up and who were eventually reformed.

Both died of a very quick moving cancer at roughly the same age (Lisa was 67, Jackie 70).

And, perhaps most coincidentally.....one of their final scenes, if not THE final scene, had them leaving a room, waving and blowing a kiss......

S P O O K Y.

by Anonymousreply 167May 12, 2023 8:02 PM

Her best friend in the cast was Kristina Wagner. They continued their friendship even when Kristina or Jackie left the show.

by Anonymousreply 168May 12, 2023 8:14 PM

Wow r167

I'd never really thought about Bobbie and Nola being so similar before. But they really were.

How weird that both blew kisses in one of their final scenes.

Thanks for pointing that out.

by Anonymousreply 169May 12, 2023 8:14 PM

[quote]I know people dragged her acting

Like who? I’ve never heard or seen anything like that.

by Anonymousreply 170May 12, 2023 8:22 PM

Sarah Brown was really something on GH. It's weird that her career never really went beyond being on other soaps and guesting on various hour long tv dramas.

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by Anonymousreply 171May 12, 2023 9:19 PM

Last night, ABC's World News Tonight, did a short segment on Jackie's death. They showed a clip of Bobbie and Scotty from 1978.

I did not recognize the person from that 1978 clip as Jackie Zeman!

Jackie has had so much plastic surgery, the person in that 1978 clip looks nothing like the Bobbie we've seen recent years.

by Anonymousreply 172May 12, 2023 9:24 PM

I know R171.

by Anonymousreply 173May 12, 2023 9:27 PM

Here's a picture of her in 1978 before her nose job.

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by Anonymousreply 174May 12, 2023 9:39 PM

Jacklyn talking and clips of old Bobbie start at 12:57 in.

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by Anonymousreply 175May 12, 2023 9:47 PM

*old Bobbie clips

by Anonymousreply 176May 12, 2023 9:47 PM

From the official GH YouTube.

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by Anonymousreply 177May 12, 2023 10:11 PM

TVLine said her last episode (the wedding) has already aired and a tribute or onscreen death may be delayed due to the strike.

I would never wish ill health on anyone but I have a sad feeling Leslie Charleson may also be very ill, so it may be that GH loses two OG legends within a short time.

by Anonymousreply 178May 12, 2023 11:03 PM

Tony Geary Statement:

GH‘sAnthony Geary, who played Zeman’s TV brother Luke for nearly 40 years (until his 2015 retirement), was among those honoring the actress. “For 40 years, I was fortunate enough to play Jackie Zeman’s big brother on General Hospital,” Geary told TVLine late Thursday in an exclusive statement. “In all those years, I never heard her utter one disparaging word about any actor, crew member, or co-worker. In fact, I never heard Jackie express an unkind word about anyone, ever. In a highly competitive profession where ego, feelings, and emotions are bread and butter, I’ve found this quality to be extremely rare. I expect it will be even more rare now that dear Jackie is gone.

“She was quite simply one of the kindest, sweetest people I have ever known,” Geary continued. “I will miss her laugh, and the deep, soulful look in her eyes whenever she expressed the love and pride she had in her two lovely daughters. Tonight, l already miss her, and feel a powerful ache where Jackie’s smile used to be.”

by Anonymousreply 179May 12, 2023 11:07 PM

So that waste of time tribute that Fat Casey twitter queen did to try to get a job at GH was useless???? Oh no. The dumb fat bastard should have known that ABC and the official GH youtube page has much bigger and better access to old GH clips. Guess Frank wasn’t impressed with Fat tubalard Casey.

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by Anonymousreply 181May 12, 2023 11:44 PM

The fat soap twitter queens are morons. They think they run the genre. Oh, cool, you think you’re bff with the star, writer, or exec who’s convenient for you at the moment? Utter lunacy.

Liz Hubbard is still laughing her ass off beyond the grave at her lame soap twitter memorial service.

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by Anonymousreply 183May 13, 2023 2:39 PM

[quote]I would never wish ill health on anyone but I have a sad feeling Leslie Charleson may also be very ill, so it may be that GH loses two OG legends within a short time.

I mean, Rachel Ames is 93 and Constance Towers will be 90 in a few days.

by Anonymousreply 184May 13, 2023 2:44 PM

R184 I know, VOTN.

But we've heard rumors repeatedly over the last year about Leslie's health.

by Anonymousreply 185May 13, 2023 2:45 PM

This thread has made me sad…I was never a huge GH fan, but Bobbie/Jackie was one of my favorites when I did watch.

I’m going to be really wrecked whenever we lose some of the AMC (*my* soap) actresses, like Lucci or Barr. Other than the older actors like David Canary, Eileen Herlie, etc., the AMC mainstays are still with us.

by Anonymousreply 186May 13, 2023 2:56 PM

[quote]But we've heard rumors repeatedly over the last year about Leslie's health.

Oh, I know.

But I would have honestly expected the latter two to be moving on first. I don't want to lose any of them.

And speaking of OG, Roy Thinnes, who I think is the only surviving Day 1 cast member is 85.

by Anonymousreply 187May 13, 2023 2:56 PM

Bobby and Lucille always brightened my day - I always caught the end of GH while waiting for Dark Shadows to come on.

by Anonymousreply 188May 13, 2023 3:05 PM

[quote] I’m going to be really wrecked whenever we lose some of the AMC (*my* soap) actresses, like Lucci or Barr. Other than the older actors like David Canary, Eileen Herlie, etc., the AMC mainstays are still with us.

For those of us who were As The World Turns fans - a huge chunk of cast members were at or near 90. We lost Kathryn Hays and Elizabeth Hubbard in the last year, and there's at least a half-dozen more cast members who are at that stage of life.

And of course Maeve Ryan herself, Helen Gallagher, is NINETY SIX years old and still kicking.

by Anonymousreply 189May 13, 2023 3:08 PM

[quote]And of course Maeve Ryan herself, Helen Gallagher, is NINETY SIX years old and still kicking.

I was just wondering about her the other day.

We're going to have to arm wrestle over who gets to sing "Danny Boy" when her time comes.

by Anonymousreply 190May 13, 2023 4:10 PM

I will be pretty sad when Erika Slezak dies, and although not much of a fan of hers- Ms. Lucci.

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by Anonymousreply 192May 13, 2023 6:27 PM

When are the obese soap twitter queens holding Jackie’s twitter funeral? Will her fam attend? Will their bffs (apparently the whole GH cast and execs) attend? Will they use Jackie’s twitter funeral to promote podcast soaps with 5 listeners?

by Anonymousreply 193May 13, 2023 6:32 PM

I will be devastated when Lucci goes. Yeah, yeah, I know all the arguments about her acting, that’s she’s maybe a Republican, she’s anorexic, etc. I don’t care, I can’t help it, I love her.

ATWT mid 80s, early 90s was the only other soap that I almost liked as much as AMC, and I’ve been sad over all those actors we’ve lost in the last couple of years.

Lisa Brown and Jackie Z are particularly sad since they were relatively young.

by Anonymousreply 194May 13, 2023 7:43 PM

Off topic I know, but has Lucci reconciled with her daughter?

by Anonymousreply 195May 13, 2023 7:48 PM

I'm sad for most of the NYC soap actors when they go. It was a unique world they were in, a great hybrid of TV and theater, and I'm sad those shows are no more.

by Anonymousreply 196May 13, 2023 7:50 PM

[quote] Off topic I know, but has Lucci reconciled with her daughter?

Not if I can help it.

by Anonymousreply 197May 13, 2023 7:57 PM

If you were to ask me what I miss the most of about the NYC soap scene, it would be the crossover between the shows and Broadway. It was just such a great gig for theater actors, either to keep the lights on between jobs, or something that was easy to do during the day while they were on stage at night.

I wish there was money in reviving it, somehow.

by Anonymousreply 198May 13, 2023 7:58 PM

R198 VOTN, me too.

Unfortunately NYC soaps needed to make some big changes about 20 years ago to survive. They needed to return to 30 minutes (they didn't) and they needed to find a cheaper way to be made, especially with the high cost of raising and storing sets - which unfortunately meant production needed to be somewhere outside of NYC. A shame they didn't find permanent studio space in Connecticut or NJ or somewhere where some NYC theater crossover could still happen.

by Anonymousreply 199May 13, 2023 8:07 PM

[quote]Other than the older actors like David Canary, Eileen Herlie, etc., the AMC mainstays are still with us.


by Anonymousreply 200May 13, 2023 8:15 PM

[quote]A shame they didn't find permanent studio space in Connecticut or NJ or somewhere where some NYC theater crossover could still happen.

I still think the Prospect Park revivals could have worked...if they'd started with one show and then built out. Trying for two at once, especially when people weren't yet habituated to streaming, they ran out of money too quickly.

I always hated that Agnes Nixon had to see her babies die twice.

by Anonymousreply 201May 13, 2023 8:23 PM

David Canary's end was so sad. He really looked out of it and bewildered during the reboot. And when he did die his family was so tight lipped about it.

by Anonymousreply 202May 13, 2023 8:24 PM

R201 Yup.

They did too much, too soon. Ten years later and it would have worked.

by Anonymousreply 203May 13, 2023 8:25 PM

[quote] He really looked out of it and bewildered during the reboot.

Are you sure that wasn’t just him playing Stuart?

by Anonymousreply 204May 13, 2023 8:28 PM

His family wasn't that tight lipped about it. His daughter talked about his dementia at the time of his passing. He was apparently in the earliest stages of it during the AMC reboot.

His daughter did raise the question several years after his death whether football injuries and CTE could have contributed to his cognitive issues.

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by Anonymousreply 205May 13, 2023 8:34 PM

Tight lipped wasn't the right wording. What I wanted to convey was that there was obviously something wrong during the reboot and it was glossed over. I recall thinking he had that lost look in his eyes and even his hair looked kind of unkempt as I've seen with dementia sufferers.

r204, no he wasn't playing Stuart when he looked lost to me.

by Anonymousreply 206May 13, 2023 8:44 PM

David Canary may or may not have deserved Emmys for his portrayal of Adam, but his acting as Stuart was embarrassingly awful.

by Anonymousreply 207May 13, 2023 8:47 PM


I remember seeing House / Garden on Broadway…there was Maureen Bauer in the flesh on stage!

She lived on my block, with a lovely little girl. I think she dumped the husband but kept the townhouse in Chelsea.

by Anonymousreply 208May 13, 2023 8:48 PM

HEY! Focus on ME! CaseySHutch! Frank, here is my job interview, erhhh I mean Jackie tribute! It’s ME ME Casey , needing a job!

by Anonymousreply 209May 13, 2023 9:13 PM

This is a little eerie: BJ's bus crash aired exactly 29 years ago today.

by Anonymousreply 210May 13, 2023 9:26 PM

R210 So Jackie Zeman chose to die so close to BJ’s bus crash? So ereerieeee! Smh

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by Anonymousreply 212May 13, 2023 9:38 PM

David Canary was having problems with the dementia near the end of his run on the show when it was still on ABC. It wasn't obvious until his appearance on the reboot though. It was really sad. He was really beloved by virtually everyone on the show.

They wanted to get as many vets out as possible with the move to LA, thinking many wouldn't want to make the move, but all did except for Canary and Ray McDonnell. Lucci didn't move but decided to commute instead.

by Anonymousreply 213May 13, 2023 9:43 PM

[quote]They did too much, too soon. Ten years later and it would have worked.

Yeah, but the original soaps would have been10 years further into the past, and more cast members would be elderly or dead.

by Anonymousreply 214May 13, 2023 9:51 PM

I SENSE that Lucci and Liza's feud was over money. I suspect it was regarding Liza's business and funding for it...

Her business seems to be doing alright...

I think she lives in Boston area.

She was very matter of fact on an instagram post after her father died that she "had been estranged from her parents for a while'"... She was responding to someone sending their condolences..

I suspect that Lucci has a CUNT side- like a massive one. And Helmut was probably a tough cookie as well.

by Anonymousreply 215May 13, 2023 9:55 PM

Thanks r215. What is LIza's "business"?

I seem to recall Liza had a child with special needs....

I suspect you are right about Susan.

by Anonymousreply 216May 13, 2023 10:35 PM

In the 40 or so episodes of AMC 2.0 that Prospect Park produced (before shutting down), David Canary was only in a handful of episodes. And he had very limited dialogue in those episodes.

The final episode he was in, Canary didn't have any dialogue at all. Adam just appeared at the end of the episode to intimidate JR. The threat of Adam arriving was looming throughout the episode, so it was a nice buildup to his arrival. But the episode ended with his arrival at the house, He didn't speak a word. And the next episode, Adam was not there. Nor in the episode after that.

At the time, I remember wondering if Canary had dementia. Why have the actor come to the studio and film that scene but not give him any lines to say? Seemed quite odd. Extremely odd.

So, I was sad to learn he died two years later and had had dementia. But I was not surprised at the dementia was the cause.

by Anonymousreply 217May 13, 2023 11:36 PM

When is moonface soap queen hosting Jackie’s twitter funeral?!? We need to know!

by Anonymousreply 218May 13, 2023 11:50 PM

That fat fuck Casey is gonna tag Valentini when he hosts the twitter funeral for Jackie. And it won’t be about Jackie. It will be - hire me Frank! I’m fat moonfaced Casey. Hire ME!!!!

by Anonymousreply 219May 14, 2023 12:28 AM

R199, I always thought it would have been a smart idea for TPTB of NY soaps to find studio spaces in northern New Jersey (e.g., Jersey City or Hoboken). These cities were thisclose to NYC and I suspect a lot cheaper to do a show. It seems like it would have been a smart business move (for someone who was brave enough to do it) to build a production studio close to NY but much cheaper than NY. The space could be used for TV shows, commercials, music videos, and films.

by Anonymousreply 220May 14, 2023 12:48 AM

R220 And they did try to move in that direction. GL did about 70 percent of its scenes in Peapack, NJ for the last 18 months of the show.

From various things I've read, the biggest cost for most NY soaps was storing the sets and having studio space to raise them. AMC moved to LA because of the same issue in its last 2 years on ABC.

I keep wondering why new shows, or old shows, didn't start moving to other cities.....obviously NYC and LA have their benefits but I'm surprised no one created a soap with production near Chicago. Or any number of other cities.

by Anonymousreply 221May 14, 2023 1:27 AM

Someone sends condolences on your parent passing and your response is to then mention that you've been estranged? Looks like the cunt doesn't fall far from the cunt tree.

by Anonymousreply 222May 14, 2023 1:34 AM

The fat soap twitter queens will not rest until they are on the writing teams of every soap! They have revolutionized the genre with their podcast soaps!!

Dumb Dylan will have the scoop! He will beat simple creepo John to posting the scoops!!!

Vee is in the biz, you know!! The biz! You know!!

by Anonymousreply 223May 14, 2023 2:02 AM


by Anonymousreply 224May 14, 2023 2:06 AM

R171 Sarah Brown unfortunately became blacklisted after her relationship with her daughter Jordan's father, Shuki Levy, went sour. Besides her stint on ATWT (as Julia), her return to GH (as Claudia), then her roles on B&B (as Agnes) and DOOL (as Madison), she was limited to guest spots in prime-time and small feature film roles because of the power he had over her career. He was also "allegedly" responsible for having her laid off at B&B and fired from DOOL, both distributed through Sony, while also "allegedly" ensuring she was no longer able to work on any projects for Sony. Before that, he had her fired from Cold Case, once he became aware that they were planning to expand her role by making her a permanent cast member. He didn't mind her staying in soaps as long as they weren't under the Sony umbrella, due to his connections there; however he was more interested in preventing her from having a career outside of soaps.

On a side note, Sarah was asked to return as Carly in the spring of 2005, after she left ATWT (who wanted her to stay as well) when Tamara Braun decided to quit. They informed her that it would only be for six months, since Frons/Phelps had already intended for Laura Wright to join in the fall, once her contract with GL was up. This was after they asked Tamara to stay, who refused; Sarah also turned them down, which is why Jill reluctantly cast Jennifer Bransford, knowing that she'd be able to "trade her in" for Laura in the fall.

by Anonymousreply 225May 14, 2023 4:10 AM

I love Susan Lucci as well, and for the most part there aren't too many instances of her being a bitch lol except there is the case of her having Sarah Michelle Gellar fired from AMC. It was the day after SMG won the Emmy for Outstanding Younger Actress. Apparently, Lucci was livid, to the point where she demanded that either Sarah goes, or she would. Sarah was handed her walking papers almost immediately afterwards. It was always a "rumored story" and the press tried to spin it, saying "Kendall quits" yet SMG confirmed that Susan Lucci actually had her fired, several years later.

by Anonymousreply 226May 14, 2023 4:15 AM

When I moved to NYC to go to drama school in 1981 being a working actor on a soap was like an attainable dream. I lived near the now demolished ABC studio on West 67th Street, and everybody knew somebody who'd gotten a contract role on a soap. Coming off the huge late 70s soap boom saw everyone enjoying some "Love in the afternoon", and I even read for a contract role on Ryan's Hope in '83, or '84. I didn't get it, lol.

It is so strange that there were seven, eight, or even more soaps employing hundreds of actors a day paying their mortgages and putting their kids through school, and a fairly rabid fan base watching them year in and year out, and now completely gone. It seems like a very long time ago...because it was.

by Anonymousreply 227May 14, 2023 4:16 AM

One of the main reasons why the New York soaps never made permanent studio moves to New Jersey or Connecticut is because P&G wanted out of the soap business for good, so they were already planning the cancellations of GL and ATWT, even when there was filming at Peapack. Brian Frons wasn't too keen on OLTL and he wanted to get rid of them as well. His "master plan" was to spare GH and AMC, while driving OLTL into cancellation; as someone stated, the NY soaps were becoming increasingly more expensive to produce, and with Procter & Gamble washing their hands of soaps, that would've left AMC and OLTL.

Frons moved AMC to keep it on the air, and a bonus for him was to have Rebecca Budig back on AMC full-time, for she had relocated to LA after her first stint ended (in November 2005) and after a failed attempt to have her as a Brenda recast on GH, he was finally able to lure her back to AMC in the fall of 2007 (after Greenlee had already been recast with Sabine Singh) and featured those disrespectful "the real Greenlee returns" promos. She aired from Jan. 2008-Feb. 2009, then left again primarily due to being bicoastal, so the move to LA for AMC in the fall/winter of 2009 facilitated her return.

Frons' plan backfired, for OLTL did consistently well in the ratings and demos, besting AMC and sometimes even GH with many commenting how OLTL was ABC's better soap. Frons cancelled both since there wasn't any justification for cancelling OLTL on it's own when AMC was doing worse than them.

A lot of vets from AMC weren't thrilled with having to film in LA. Bobbie Eakes and Jacob Young were happy about returning to the west coast, however the majority of older performers who had homes and families on the east coast were not ok with it, though some did stay on, while commuting back and forth. Susan Lucci was against the move and expressed interest in possibly not staying, for the actors were given options to leave. While there was interest in either Deidre Hall joining AMC as a recast Tara Martin, with Tara positioned as the lead character (which she was originally supposed to be, prior to Erica outshining Tara) or even Genie Francis joining, Lucci ultimately agreed to remain on canvas.

by Anonymousreply 228May 14, 2023 4:38 AM

R227 Interesting past, it seems like you enjoyed yourself. Do you happen to remember which role you auditioned for on Ryan's Hope?

by Anonymousreply 229May 14, 2023 4:43 AM

It would be in their best interest to have the current writers pen Bobbie's memorial instead of scab/temp writers, so if they have to wait until they're no longer striking, then so be it. Temp writers material would start airing around early July.

by Anonymousreply 230May 14, 2023 4:57 AM

R207, I remember as a realllly little kid being extremely put off by the Stuart character. I knew both that the entire character was strange, bordering on offensive, and that the acting was bad. I think it’s one of the reasons I never glommed on to AMC.

by Anonymousreply 231May 14, 2023 5:12 AM

R231 Lol Stuart started off as the "imaginary friend" named Willy, of Devon McFadden's daughter, Bonnie, so it's funny that as a child you were put off when the point was to make him kid friendly. It's unfortunate what happened to David Canary in his later years, poor guy, may he R.I.P.

by Anonymousreply 232May 14, 2023 5:42 AM

Recast Bobbi Spencer with Susan Lucci.

by Anonymousreply 233May 14, 2023 6:19 AM

Kristina Wagner is a sweetheart. I’m so sorry about her younger son

by Anonymousreply 234May 14, 2023 8:40 AM

R225 Was Sarah's ex really that powerful?

by Anonymousreply 235May 14, 2023 1:40 PM

There was a period of time a few years ago when Sarah ranted about her ex on social media extensively and it made her appear unwell. But that's what narcissists and sociopaths do, they make their victims look crazy.

I do recall during those rants she went on about how someone at GH who was "like a mother" to her could have helped her prove what the ex was doing to her career but wouldn't help because her husband did business with her ex. I suspected it was JZ at the time but I believe, I'm not certain as I stopped paying attention after a while, that it turned out it was Genie.

by Anonymousreply 236May 14, 2023 1:51 PM

[QUOTE] Luke and Laura’s wedding scored 30 million.

Yes. 42 years ago.

by Anonymousreply 237May 14, 2023 3:33 PM

[quote]Interesting past, it seems like you enjoyed yourself. Do you happen to remember which role you auditioned for on Ryan's Hope?

I wish I remembered, but I don't. He was a scruffy young kid, who was wise, but in trouble as I recall. I am a more cleancut type, and I sensed right away from the guys in the waiting room I was a bit of a stretch.

by Anonymousreply 238May 14, 2023 3:34 PM

[quote] Agnes Nixon had to see her babies die twice

That's nothing. I had to bury A.J. three fucking times!

by Anonymousreply 239May 14, 2023 3:46 PM

R235 Yes. He was well known in the industry for having worked on several popular cartoons in the 80's, before his breakout hit "Mighty Morphin Power Rangers" put his production company on the map. He was introduced to Sarah through a mutual friend, one of the female stars of Power Rangers (I think it was Kimberly, The Pink Ranger, played by Amy Jo Johnson). Shuki was married to actress Deborah Skelton (Dallas) and engaged at the same time to Shell Danielson (Dominique, GH) while he pursued Sarah (he was planning to divorce Deborah then marry Shell right after it was finalized, until he met Sarah, who was practically 30 years younger than Shuki). Shuki had alot of connections so that's why it was so easy for him to have her blackballed once she walked away from him (Sarah has accused Shuki of sexual assault, she told the Power Ranger actress what he did, and she told Sarah he did the same to her, too; she warned Sarah that he would retaliate if she ever rejected him- he promised to advance her career, while also having her drunk driving charges handled early on in her career, around the time he cast her on his other show, VR Troopers, due to his connections within the LAPD. Sarah says that she had no idea he was married to Deborah and engaged to Shell until her daughter was almost two years old, when they were in court for a custody agreement. She also says that none of the women knew each other were all involved with him).

Sarah was living in an apartment that Shuki owned, and he also lived there with her (she paid him $900 a month) while she was on GH. When she broke it off with him, she had friends over to celebrate her breaking it off. Shortly after, the apartment was set on fire; when arson investigators asked her if she knew of anyone who was possibly trying to kill her, she named Shuki Levy. However, Shuki was never charged. Prior to that, Sarah was also pregnant by Shuki, before she was on GH, in 1995; Shuki had Sarah go film a movie, with action scenes, to make sure that she miscarried. He also had another 19 year old pregnant at the same time as Sarah, while still with his wife and Shell. He also tried to kill his wife by putting a gun to her head, threatening her. He also spit in Sarah's face, while she was holding their daughter, and told her, "I'm going to take away everything you love, one by one." Sarah also discovered that he was recording her phone conversations and had surveillance all over his house to watch her every move. He did the same thing to her own house that she shared with their daughter, he had secret surveillance set up in her home, for his good friends and family members had access to her home when she wasn't there, for the sake of their daughter.

Long story short, Shuki and his business partner, Haim Saban, are well connected throughout the entertainment industry, with connections also running through law enforcement and politics. Sarah was also present upon Shuki and Haim receiving a corrupt deal with the SAG Union, she didn't hear the terms of the deal herself, however Shuki later informed her of the deal.

She also says that he attempted to kidnap their daughter and that he had a history of being with younger women, who had similar stories of being sexually assaulted by him, roofied and raped. He had a younger girlfriend named Tori Avey (who was 21 when Sarah was 30) that he eventually married; Tori was with Shuki during the kidnapping attempt. Sarah was gaslighted by him, and since he's so well connected, he made life difficult for her at every turn.

by Anonymousreply 240May 14, 2023 5:05 PM

R236 Also, she accused Vanessa Marcil of no longer supporting her as well. She was close with Vanessa during their time on GH together, and years afterwards, until Vanessa, according to Sarah, began to distance herself from Sarah while also remaining quiet in regards to everything Sarah told her about Shuki. Vanessa was, most likely, trying to save herself from being blacklisted. Sarah was accused of being psychotic and out of her mind after all of her rants, what made it worse was that she was having difficulty in terms of corroborating her stories since everyone she confided in wouldn't publicly speak out against him.

by Anonymousreply 241May 14, 2023 5:13 PM

Sarah Brown is a terrific actress. I hope she lands a prime time show one day.

by Anonymousreply 242May 14, 2023 5:46 PM

If all of that really happened to Sarah, it's horrendous and that guy should be prosecuted. That being said, I could also see why coworkers might have thought she was losing it because the story is so over the top and they didn't want to encourage or enable delusional thinking. Tricky situation. for sure. Even if only half of it happened, Shuki still sounds like a scum pig and I hope he gets his comeuppance.

by Anonymousreply 243May 14, 2023 6:18 PM

[quote]I do recall during those rants she went on about how someone at GH who was "like a mother" to her could have helped her prove what the ex was doing to her career but wouldn't help because her husband did business with her ex. I suspected it was JZ at the time but I believe, I'm not certain as I stopped paying attention after a while, that it turned out it was Genie.

Genie Francis is the last person anyone should expect help from. When Genie leaves that set, she doesn't give a fuck about any of those people. Genie is NOT Laura.

by Anonymousreply 244May 14, 2023 6:21 PM

He owned their condo but she was at the same time paying him as her assistant or manager, presumably? Or wait, the $900 was her rent?

by Anonymousreply 245May 14, 2023 6:22 PM

I agree r244, she's not Laura. It dawned on me a few years ago that none of her co-stars have ever raved about her. They always say what an icon she is and what a good actress she is but no one ever says what a great or even nice person she is. Except for JPS who raves about her and her husband because they always bought him dinner when he just starting out and broke and both he and Genie were on AMC.

A beautiful smile does not equate to beautiful person.

by Anonymousreply 246May 14, 2023 6:29 PM

Genie’s a bitch. Nuff said.

by Anonymousreply 247May 14, 2023 7:58 PM

R245 $900 was what Shuki charged her for rent, since he owned the property (possibly co-owned it with a partner, however she paid the rent to him), so it was possibly a discounted rate. He also lived with her at the apartment, when he wasn't with his wife Deborah or his fiancee Shell. He also proposed to Sarah and she accepted, not knowing of his other relationships, or the other girl who was pregnant at the same time of her first pregnancy. Sarah also believes he set the fire not only to kill her, since she was home with a few friends staying over when the fire occurred, she also thought that it was a way for him to let his friend/business partner Raphael move into the apartment at a reduced rate, since it was damaged by the fire.

by Anonymousreply 248May 14, 2023 10:55 PM

*She had a few friends over the night before, that was the night of her celebrating the end of her relationship with Shuki. The friends were the Power Rangers actress, her boyfriend, and Sarah best friend from high school. The best friend stayed overnight, and the fire happened when they were both there the following morning.

by Anonymousreply 249May 14, 2023 11:05 PM

So, not only does he keep a "stabbin' cabin" to screw his sidepieces, he gets them to pay for it, too!? He must have had some powerful penis mojo to dickmatize 'em that hard! Straight men everywhere would idolize this schmuck.

by Anonymousreply 250May 15, 2023 12:26 AM

Cheer up sleepy Jean

by Anonymousreply 251May 15, 2023 12:43 AM

[quote]Her best friend in the cast was Kristina Wagner. They continued their friendship even when Kristina or Jackie left the show.

No matter how many times I've watched it, that Bobbie-Felicia scene -- when Felicia realizes that BJ was the donor -- is one of the BEST scenes I've ever seen on daytime TV. Or even primetime? Both actresses were brilliant. I wept all afternoon. I know, MARY! But seriously, you had to made of fucking STONE, if they didn't get to you in that moment.

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by Anonymousreply 252May 15, 2023 1:33 AM

Back to the thread topic, while it is very sad to lose Jackie after so many years on GH. We need to keep in mind that while some are here longer than others, life on this earth is only temporary for all of us. It is eternal life with the Lord in Heaven that truly matters.

by Anonymousreply 253May 15, 2023 1:34 AM


I loved this storyline. GH was amazing in the 90s.

by Anonymousreply 254May 15, 2023 1:40 AM

That heart transplant story was devastating, and I wasn’t even a regular GH viewer—but I watched those episodes and they were so powerful. Right up there with when AMC’s Brooke finds out her daughter was killed by a drunk driver.

by Anonymousreply 255May 15, 2023 1:50 AM

Hah, R254! I almost added "no pun intended" in parenthesis after capitalizing Stone -- but felt that would be a little over-the-top/cutesy (for such an important character/storyline).

R253.....the eternal life with the Lord in Heaven??? Give me a fucking break.

by Anonymousreply 256May 15, 2023 2:03 AM

I think Lynn Herring was also in the mom group with Kristina and Jackie.

by Anonymousreply 257May 15, 2023 2:06 AM

Let’s celebrate great GH scenes.

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by Anonymousreply 258May 15, 2023 2:10 AM

Can you imagine hugging a ripped out Antonio Sabato Jr in his prime? Crying? I would melt in his arms. I would not want to let go. I think this was before or during Melrose for him.

by Anonymousreply 259May 15, 2023 2:13 AM

Lynn & Kristina are BFFs. I interacted with them, together, at a kid's birthday party (the older Wagner son) at a bowling alley. It was just the two of them with 10-12 boys (Jack showed up later); two of which where the Northrup boys. They were delightful! Both had a Corona, while watching the boys bowl.

by Anonymousreply 260May 15, 2023 2:17 AM

Sounds like a hoot, R260!

by Anonymousreply 261May 15, 2023 2:38 AM

And of course Mumbles is going to be ready for his closeup during the Dead Bobbie episodes.

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by Anonymousreply 262May 15, 2023 3:23 AM

[quote] I loved this storyline. GH was amazing in the 90s.

I wish someone had told me back then that 1992-98 or so was going to be the best soaps would be during my lifetime. I’d have appreciated it more.

The other thing is how many of my strong memories of GH during that period involve Jackie. Not even just BJ and Carly, but lots of other stuff, even when she was doing supporting bits in other stories.

There will never be another one like her.

by Anonymousreply 263May 15, 2023 4:55 AM

[quote] Can you imagine hugging a ripped out Antonio Sabato Jr in his prime? Crying?

Watching that, I’m more struck by the realization of what an impression Michael Sutton left on me as a gayling. So many of the men I’ve been with have had dark hair and eyes and olive skin.

by Anonymousreply 264May 15, 2023 5:01 AM

R263 Bringing back the Cassadines (and creating Nicholas) really was brilliant. Stephen Nichols was brilliant as the brooding Stefan. Constance Towers acting was so perfect it's astounding she doesn't have a dozen Emmys.....VIDEO.....(5:15) Helena and Stefan. "You were a stranger to me from the day you were born"....Brilliance..Funny...Heartbreaking...

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by Anonymousreply 265May 15, 2023 5:30 AM

Michael Sutton was gorgeous.

by Anonymousreply 266May 15, 2023 5:41 AM

R265 - One of my favorite GH lines ever:

Stefan, about Helena: Mother imagines the whole world conspires against her. Would that it were so.

LOL. Nichols had pitch perfect drollery delivering that line. I loved the early years of Stefan and Helena and the return of the Cassadines. I always thought Stefan and Bobbie's brief marriage had so much untouched potential. I think they rushed through it so they reunite him with former co-star Mary Beth Evans who played the mostly insipid Katherine "KatSplat" Bell.

by Anonymousreply 267May 15, 2023 11:47 AM

The Cassadine story and the creation of Nicholas is, perhaps, one of the best stories GH has ever done. It just made so much sense and was told so brilliantly. It's kind of shame they couldn't sustain it.

by Anonymousreply 268May 15, 2023 12:39 PM

It was some of the best work Genie did.

by Anonymousreply 269May 15, 2023 4:12 PM

R270 Apparently so, he had a way with women that were possibly somewhat dickmatized and had a lot of well connected male friends, so straight men then and even now would look up to him. Sarah even said that Shuki had a private meeting in his library with her, his friend/business partner Haim Saban and President Bill Clinton. While she was speaking to Saban and Clinton, Shuki reached behind her and began fingering her rectum. Since they were both facing her, she didn't think they noticed at the time, however years after the fact, she wondered if they knew and if it was done on purpose, to humiliate her. This occurred after the Lewinsky incident; Clinton was there to raise money for then Vice President Al Gore's presidential campaign.

by Anonymousreply 270May 16, 2023 3:54 AM

Although I didn't watch GH, I knew of Jackie and how integral General Hospital was to the success of soaps and their continuing influence.

It's sad that she is gone because it's another loss to the soap world. There are only 4 soaps left. Thinking back to the '90s there were like 12 of them.

by Anonymousreply 271May 16, 2023 5:14 AM

Exactly 12 In the early, early 90's, four on each network (CBS- Y&R, B&B, ATWT, GL), (NBC- Generations, DOOL, AW, Santa Barbara), (ABC- Loving, AMC, OLTL, GH) until NBC cancelled Generations, then Santa Barbara. ABC at least revamped Loving into The City, then replaced them with Port Charles. NBC spent five years (off and on) trying to find a replacement for Santa Barbara, ultimately landing on Sunset Beach, then Passions replaced AW, and Sunset Beach concluded on Dec. 31st, 1999. So we actually had 16 different soaps throughout the 90's, which is crazy to think now with only four, and one isn't even on network television.

by Anonymousreply 272May 16, 2023 9:49 AM

[quote] I always thought Stefan and Bobbie's brief marriage had so much untouched potential. I think they rushed through it so they reunite him with former co-star Mary Beth Evans who played the mostly insipid Katherine "KatSplat" Bell.

I agree, although it did spawn another of my favorite memories of Jackie. Once she’d been betrayed by Stefan and had reconciled with Luke, who was trying to bring down whatever scheme he was cooking up, she reveals herself by saying “[Luke] wants to see you burn in Hell, and i want to light the match.”

Even for someone who appeared so late in the show’s run, Constance Towers’ Helena may be the show’s greatest villain.

[quote] So we actually had 16 different soaps throughout the 90's, which is crazy to think now with only four, and one isn't even on network television.

If there is any upside, it’s the serialized storytelling has been co-opted by primetime dramas. Even shows like Law & Order, which used to be completely strict procedural, have continuing elements now.

It doesn’t replace the almost familial vibes of watching the same characters five days a week, but it’s something.

I should dig up the clip of Viki talking about why people loved soaps from the final episode of OLTL.

by Anonymousreply 273May 16, 2023 11:46 AM

R246. A lot of the younger actors including NAC, Avery Pohl and Eden McCoy talk about how helpful and kind Genie is and how invested she is with the younger set. Becky Herbst still talks about how close she is with Genie and how she was a major influence on her when she started.

by Anonymousreply 274May 16, 2023 4:54 PM

When is Jackie’s soap twitter funeral?!? When are the fat soap twitter queens going to officiate the memorial service?!? We need to plan!!!

by Anonymousreply 275May 16, 2023 6:40 PM

Tony Geary & Sarah Brown go head to head.

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by Anonymousreply 277May 16, 2023 7:02 PM

Geary fucked Zeman in the 80s and Brown in the 90s. He leaned heavily on being SSA for his professional branding but had sex with women regularly.

by Anonymousreply 278May 16, 2023 8:29 PM

[quote]Geary fucked Zeman in the 80s and Brown in the 90s.


Thanks for the laugh! I needed it today.

Now tell me all about his "romance" with Elizabeth Taylor.

by Anonymousreply 279May 16, 2023 8:38 PM

I heard Jackie did Asher Brauner, who played Roy DiLucca, one of her earliest love interests on the show. I don't blame her; he was hot back then. He died a few years back.

by Anonymousreply 280May 16, 2023 9:01 PM

R278 - Not true, but he did have a torrid love affairs with Bergin Williams (Q maid "Alice Gunderson") and Tamara Braun during both her runs on the show.

by Anonymousreply 281May 16, 2023 10:35 PM

The production assistant at the home shopping network with Sasha was Genie's daughter.

by Anonymousreply 282May 16, 2023 11:25 PM

Where is the save the date for the fat soap twitter queen funeral for Jackie on Twitter??? I need to plan my schedule!!!

by Anonymousreply 283May 17, 2023 12:05 AM

Vee, who’s in the biz, has taken over planning Jackie’s entire funeral. He even steam rolled over her daughters. Vee is in the biz you know.

by Anonymousreply 284May 17, 2023 12:49 AM

Vee who is in the biz will allow Dumb Dylan who has a new name, but always has the scoop, to co-manage the festivities. Vee who is in the biz is behind the THE Guiding Light reboot with Dumb Dylan. The obese soap twitter queens are super jelly that Vee who is in the biz is doing this in person and not on twitter. Vee is in the biz, you know,

by Anonymousreply 285May 17, 2023 1:57 AM

On a related note, "Dear Old Uncle Viktor" thread has gone subscribers only now, open GH discussion can be found here:

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by Anonymousreply 286May 17, 2023 2:15 AM

I starred watching in 1981, and stopped when I went to college in 1988.

This thread sent me down a rabbit hole, watching old storyline I'd never seen. The frequency with which people die and return is astonishing. In fact, when someone dies on the show now, the natural reaction should be extreme skepticism.

The worst thing I saw in the past few days was what they did to poor Rick Webber. Dying in the attic at the hands of Laura? N word please! Made no damn sense.

by Anonymousreply 287May 17, 2023 5:58 PM

[quote]The worst thing I saw in the past few days was what they did to poor Rick Webber. Dying in the attic at the hands of Laura? N word please! Made no damn sense.

That's what we were saying 20 years ago when that storyline was airing. Destroying the legacy of Rick Webber and the legacy of the show. But that was the regime that was in power in the early 2000s.

by Anonymousreply 288May 17, 2023 6:02 PM

R273 for you, VOTN, and for all of us who ever loved their "stories."

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by Anonymousreply 289May 17, 2023 6:08 PM

I am amazed that GH hasn't fixed that. Jake was brought back to life.

Frank brought Bobbie back from Siberia Seattle.

He revived the Nurses Ball.

I wish that they'd fix it. They don't even need Denise to come on or Chris; just have Laura find it out and she calls her mother in Italy; Something.

by Anonymousreply 290May 17, 2023 6:08 PM

The most resolution we got (and probably ever will get) was seeing Ghost Rick at the Qs with thankfully no mention of that final storyline

by Anonymousreply 291May 17, 2023 7:10 PM

During the 50th anniversary in 2013, somewhere it was reported that Ron C wanted to correct both the Rick Webber and Alan Q deaths.

That story said Ron was waiting for Stuart Damon's health to improve before beginning it.

by Anonymousreply 292May 17, 2023 7:43 PM

My understanding the initial plan was to reveal Dr. Obrecht was holding several other presumed dead Port Charles residents at her Swiss clinic besides Robin and Duke.

Anna was supposed to uncover Alan Quartermain and Rick Webber and Georgie Jones too.

by Anonymousreply 293May 17, 2023 7:46 PM

R293, I expect that that storyline will be picked up for the series finale if the show is canceled. It would be a perfect way to fix at least some of the many unnecessary deaths that plagued GH the last 20 years.

by Anonymousreply 294May 17, 2023 7:52 PM

Well, except for the whole Stuart Damon is dead thing

by Anonymousreply 295May 17, 2023 7:53 PM

[quote] I expect that that storyline will be picked up for the series finale if the show is canceled.

That's what AMC did in its final months. Correct all the mistakes that had occurred under previous regimes, especially the deaths like Dixie and Stuart.

by Anonymousreply 296May 17, 2023 8:05 PM

I always thought Dr. David bringing people back from the dead seemed more of a GH thing and not really AMC's style, although I can see why they did it and think overall the writing was a bit better the last year than it had been in a while. I would have been ok with both Dixie and Stuart staying dead however.

by Anonymousreply 297May 17, 2023 8:54 PM

I still wonder why GH hasn't brought David Hayward to Port Charles.

He could be doing all sorts of mad scientist things. Plus, he's got the connection to Anna.

by Anonymousreply 298May 17, 2023 9:17 PM

[quote][R273] for you, VOTN, and for all of us who ever loved their "stories."

More than ten years on, and it still makes me cry. As much shit as you can deservedly talk about Ron, he sincerely loves the genre.

I've said this a bunch, but I've always thought that OLTL was the closest to an official soap that DL ever had. But GH was the first one I ever connected with, way back when Felicia showed up back on Bobbie and Tony's doorstep with amnesia in 1991 or 92. And even though I haven't watched more than piecemeal since the 50th, but I know when the time comes to dim the lights on the hospital, I'm going to be a wreck.

When they do get to memorialize Bobbie and Jackie, I'll be there as it's airing live.

by Anonymousreply 299May 17, 2023 9:25 PM

R299, I'm a bit older than you so I'm lucky in that I got to see an earlier Golden Age of GH.

It wasn't just Luke and Laura that made the show No. 1. In fact, the show had gone from No. 9 or 10 or 11 to No. 2 before Luke came on. One of the big storylines was that slut Monica thinking initially that Rick was the father of AJ; Rick divorced Lesley so he could be with his son (and Monica).

Then, Alan found out that AJ WAS his and in classic soap style, the truth came out at a big gala fundraiser at the Q manse.

The showdown between Lesley and Monica is what soaps are all about. Two women in love with the same man. One feared she wasn't enough for him in the bedroom; the other had that covered -- but that's all she had.

THIS was GH's Golden Age.

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by Anonymousreply 300May 18, 2023 2:59 AM

Stephen Schwartz, of all people, also got pretty well to the heart of soaps. If the timestamp didn't translate, go to 5:52.

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by Anonymousreply 301May 18, 2023 4:05 AM

R300 You have the Alzheimers. Godspeed.

by Anonymousreply 302May 18, 2023 5:07 AM

[quote] The most resolution we got (and probably ever will get) was seeing Ghost Rick at the Qs with thankfully no mention of that final storyline

Actually it was referenced. Tracy made some snarky comment, and Rick said that the circumstances leading to his death were terribly misunderstood and untrue. It was quick, but covered. The ghosts of Alan and Rick showed up to haunt and taunt Tracy and Monica who had just consumed a jar full of tainted Picklelila.

by Anonymousreply 303May 18, 2023 12:12 PM

Gloria Monty was NOT happy that the prissy Doug Marland won the writing Emmy in 1981.

by Anonymousreply 304May 18, 2023 12:24 PM

[quote]Jackie Zeman is DEAD TO ME RIP, Barbara Jean

A less important one at that.

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by Anonymousreply 305May 18, 2023 12:29 PM

One, I love you; two, I'm thinkin' of you, R305.

by Anonymousreply 306May 18, 2023 12:35 PM

Excuse me? Excuse me!

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by Anonymousreply 307May 18, 2023 5:00 PM

I agree with R300 in that it wasn't just Luke and Laura that was the key to GH's popularity. The show had a few good storylines going at the same time. My favorite -- more favorite than L&L -- was Heather's story. I loved when she was trying to drive Diana crazy so that she (Heather) could get her baby back. Then when Heather was in the sanitarium, she disguised herself as one of the nurses to get out from time to time. That was back in the day when a soap would have several strong storylines working at the same time.

by Anonymousreply 308May 18, 2023 9:00 PM

I watched Genie Francis' interview here. She doesn't seem like a bitch. She seems down to earth and cool. She opens up about leaving GH the first time, and her confronting Gloria Monty about saying Luke was more important and she didn't care if Genie died (!)

Also, she talks about how wonderful Jonathan Jackson is. And how Tyler Christopher wasn't very good when he first started, but got better. She said she told Jackson to leave in 1998. But she said that Tyler Christopher left too soon- he still had more to learn. She's very honest about the recasts of Lucky and Nicholas.

I like her after watching this. I get the sense that she's a nice person, but it's possible that she's simply not very warm to strangers who approach her.

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by Anonymousreply 309May 19, 2023 4:48 AM

Genie has a dysfunctional relationship with GH. It made her famous but she lost her adolescence and she ended up addicted to drugs during her first run.

I think Luke’s rape of Laura being reclassified as a “seduction” really bothered her. I remember reading an interview with her where she discussed how proud she was of her work as a rape victim, and how unhappy she was when this was scrapped in favor of the Luke/Laura romance. Women were yelling “Rape Me Luke! Rape Me!”at Tony and Genie’s fan appearances.

She spent 10 years after leaving the show trying to put Laura behind her, never quite capturing that magic. She found professional happiness in New York on All My Children, and was dragged back kicking and screaming to GH.

Then that asshole Jill Phelps canned her and destroyed the character of Rick Webber to do so.

Any bitterness she has seems understandable. She can’t get away from GH, but GH has often treated her poorly.

Gloria Monty really hated women, didn’t she. She seemed to have a bad relationship with many of the actresses on GH.

by Anonymousreply 310May 19, 2023 5:07 AM

I thought Zman was one of those Maravel characters?

by Anonymousreply 311May 19, 2023 5:13 AM

Genie is a stone-cold cunt. Extremely judgmental but her personal life was a shambles until well into menopause. Riker had her so that she didn't know whether she was coming or going half the time--that is, when she wasn't drunk.

by Anonymousreply 312May 19, 2023 5:33 AM

Genie changes and rewrites the dialogue? Who does this bitch think she is?

by Anonymousreply 313May 19, 2023 5:47 AM

Scotty Baldwin has been written off the show.

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by Anonymousreply 314May 19, 2023 6:36 AM

Kin claims to be written out once a year. He’s a nutcase. Drama queen.

by Anonymousreply 315May 19, 2023 11:03 AM

R314 - What, again?! Scotty is the longest-running character still active on GH, first appearing in 1965 -- just two years after the show's debut. People talk about GH doing Laura dirty, but Scott has been trashed since the rape story. I always thought it was bizarre how everyone -- including his own God damn adoptive father Lee -- thought Scotty was a jerk for being angry that Luke raped his wife and stole her away. WTF?! He's also buried, now, as many children (three) as the second longest-running character, Monica.

by Anonymousreply 316May 19, 2023 11:57 AM

Scotty Baldwin's the longest running character in all of US soap history. He'll be certainly be back on the show, at least for the Bobbie tribute storyline

by Anonymousreply 317May 19, 2023 12:24 PM

Have you seen this before, R309?

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by Anonymousreply 318May 19, 2023 1:27 PM

Genie seemed to have issues with all the female EPs. Monty, Riche, and JFP. Genie's beef, legitimate or not, was that she felt that she one half of soap's most popular couple of all time, but wasn't treated in a co-equal way as Tony. I don't know if Tony had a better agent in negotiations or those EPs just favored him, but I think Genie couldn't get past that. I wonder what really went down between Tony and Genie, most people assume it was the no kissing thing, but it had to me more than that. But it seemed pretty obvious that neither one wanted to play Luke and Laura as a couple.

by Anonymousreply 319May 19, 2023 5:58 PM

R317 - I wasn't sure enough to make that claim. Guiding Light ran for 72 fucking years (TV and radio)! I never watched it, but thought some character on there might have had a longer run.

by Anonymousreply 320May 19, 2023 9:32 PM

R320, Charita Bauer who played Bert Bauer (the same surname was a coincidence) played Bert on radio and TV in the 1950s and last aired in late 1984 so that's 40 years but if the character of Scotty goes back to the mid 60s that puts him in the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, 2000s, 2010s, and 2020s

Actually, Julie on DAYS goes back to the 1960s; she was in the first episode, the character was. So she's had a very long run. It'd be nice to have Kin and Susan Hayes present at the DT Emmys.

by Anonymousreply 321May 19, 2023 11:23 PM

Genie was mum on Stephen Martines and lukewarm on Jacob Young in that interview. She must have so many stories to tell.

by Anonymousreply 322May 19, 2023 11:39 PM

So according to that interview Genie thought that the situation was that Laura wasn't really raped but rather cried rape because she couldn't handle her guilty feelings about it.

by Anonymousreply 323May 20, 2023 12:26 AM

R233 I think that’s the way they led the audience. And the fact thar Laura wouldn’t say who raped her for a while, if I remember correctly. I watched the whole thing as young teen and that was the impression that I had through it. Laura was definitely into Luke before the rape but didn’t want to be because she loved Scotty. It was very complicated, at least to my young mind.

by Anonymousreply 324May 20, 2023 12:47 AM

R323 yes, that really surprised me. That is not the case when you see the actual event.

by Anonymousreply 325May 20, 2023 12:48 AM

Didn't Genie say a few months ago it was rape, no means no. Is this a Whoopi thing where we ask, but was it rape rape??

by Anonymousreply 326May 20, 2023 5:21 AM

Genie’s never happy. She’s an ice cold bitch. Gloria Monty raised her well.

by Anonymousreply 327May 20, 2023 7:50 AM

Laura was stupid. Who the fuck quits a hot, adoring stud muffin lawyer like young Scotty Baldwin for a sleazy, mob-connected, orange-afroed jerk like Luke?

by Anonymousreply 328May 20, 2023 12:20 PM

[quote]Didn't Genie say a few months ago it was rape, no means no. Is this a Whoopi thing where we ask, but was it rape rape??

I believe that Genie's opinions about the rape have evolved as society's views on rape have evolved. A lot of current fans have forgotten how fast & loose soaps and pretty much all entertainment forms played with rape. Rape was a big bad stranger drags a woman into an alley or forces his way into her house and rapes her and leaves her bloodied and beaten.

I think up until Chris Foster was raped on Y&R in either 73 or 74, it was all bodice ripping/Rhett carrying Scarlett up the stairs/you're not going to deny me types of situations. I think John Dixon raping Kim was the first instance of marital rape on a soap. But now society takes a harder line at what is rape.

by Anonymousreply 329May 20, 2023 12:36 PM

Laura's grand nephew Michael was raped while in prison. Laura recommending he go on the run with Carter was so inappropriate.

by Anonymousreply 330May 20, 2023 12:40 PM

What soap had the most rapes? AMC sure had its share…Erica, Brooke, Natalie, Gloria, Julia, Bianca…and probably more that I’m forgetting. AMC was “my” soap, but I admit they went to the rape storyline well too many times.

by Anonymousreply 331May 20, 2023 12:47 PM

[quote]I believe that Genie's opinions about the rape have evolved as society's views on rape have evolved. A lot of current fans have forgotten how fast & loose soaps and pretty much all entertainment forms played with rape. Rape was a big bad stranger drags a woman into an alley or forces his way into her house and rapes her and leaves her bloodied and beaten.[/quote]

Yep. The screenwriter of Hitchcock's Marnie expressed that that's how she felt about it, and it wasn't even an old interview. It was a retrospective decades later. She said something like, "I didn't view it as rape. Rape is when you're walking through the park and some stranger drags you into the bushes." Her predecessor had been fired because he was reluctant to write the marital rape scene with Connery and Hedren, and tried to suggest an alternative.

In roughly the same era as L&L, John Ross on Dallas was a product of rape (JR/Sue Ellen), although I don't think Sue Ellen or anyone else called it that. Ugly scene, anyway.

by Anonymousreply 332May 20, 2023 1:34 PM

The Bianca rape was particularly offensive, because it was purely done for shock value. Let's for Bianca to be with a man. Plus it was one of many stories they did after a great coming out story to avoid actually putting her in a same sex relationship. Bianca raped - Bianca is pregnant which led into a year of baby switch -- Bianca kisses a pre-transitioned Zarf etc. Not to mention the writers decided to keep mentioning the Kane rape legacy. Plus, Adam and Palmer were aging, Michael Cambias could have been a long term character to shake things up instead of making him an unredeemable character to kill off.

Julia was already going through so much - face scar -- running away -- not sure why they needed to throw in a rape as well as a pregnancy. That might have been one of the last abortions that I saw on a soap.

Gloria's rape was such a blatant rape used to punish and reform the bad girl. Her character did an instant 180 degree turn. Julia's rape had a touch of that as well. She became the long-suffering St. Julia.

Natalie's rape was a pretty well thought and planned story and she had already softened, so it did not seem as blatant as the Gloria reformed by rape, although it was probably the start of the town viewing her as St. Natalie. It is too bad they went as far as they did changing her from being an instigator to being someone's victim (Palmer, Erica, Janet, Carter, Jeremy's Ex). Collins still made her interesting, but the character, but they really turned her into a Perils of Pauline.

I remember thinking how it was great that they never felt they needed to go there with Erica - until they did. At least that brought in the great SMG storyline, and it did help explain why Erica was so messed and they did not reform her with it. I do think they went to far going on about the Kane rape legacy after Bianca was raped and then later when it was revealed Eric knew and pimped her out. The original storyline with him saying she must have asked for it could still be reconciled with her blaming herself but still wanting his love. Her hero worship of him did not mesh with her knowing he set her up to be raped.

by Anonymousreply 333May 20, 2023 1:47 PM

One last comment - as great as the Who Killed Will story was - making him an irredeemable rapist who needed to be written off was probably a long-term mistake. Like Michael Cambias, he could have been a long-term character to take over for an aging Palmer feuding with Adam.

by Anonymousreply 334May 20, 2023 1:50 PM

If I recall correctly, JPS pretty much admitted his fame as Will Cortlandt went to his head and he was quite the asshole which may have contributed to his being written out.

Wasn't James DePaiva also an asshole on OLTL? Has he reformed? I thought it odd his character on GH a few years back had so much potential then they suddenly turned him into a creep and off he went. Made me wonder if he was still difficult.

by Anonymousreply 335May 20, 2023 1:55 PM

Odd no statement from Leslie Charleson. Even Denise Alexander issued a statement.

by Anonymousreply 336May 20, 2023 1:58 PM

Isn’t Leslie on her deathbed?

by Anonymousreply 337May 20, 2023 2:07 PM

No, I think she's on her regular bed.

by Anonymousreply 338May 20, 2023 2:15 PM

What's wrong with Leslie? Is she next? I've always loved her as Monica, and it's a tribute to her talent and popularity that she lasted all these years while the Q family was decimated around her. I hope she's ok.

by Anonymousreply 339May 20, 2023 2:17 PM

Vee who is in the biz is regulating who Leslie can speak to. Vee is in the biz, you know.

by Anonymousreply 340May 20, 2023 2:21 PM

Will Leslie be making a special appearance at Jackie’s obese soap twitter funeral service?

by Anonymousreply 341May 20, 2023 2:22 PM

[quote]Her hero worship of him did not mesh with her knowing he set her up to be raped.

Victoria Lord adored her father, and we saw what happened there. And it was not good. Not at'all.

by Anonymousreply 342May 20, 2023 2:25 PM


Statement from Alexander: Who? Oh wait, was she the one with bad dye job and big tits? Sympathies.

by Anonymousreply 343May 20, 2023 2:25 PM

Oh Denise.

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by Anonymousreply 344May 20, 2023 2:41 PM

There's no statement from Leslie Charleson because it seems that Leslie is also very ill.

by Anonymousreply 345May 20, 2023 2:46 PM

All these wonderful people who were such a profound part of my teen and adolescent years are dying off. It's so depressing.

by Anonymousreply 346May 20, 2023 3:23 PM

Meow meow meow

by Anonymousreply 347May 20, 2023 3:24 PM

Vee who is in the biz has secured Lezlie for Jackie’s soap twitter memorial service, hosted by the fat, ugly, FAS soap twitter queens.

by Anonymousreply 348May 20, 2023 3:26 PM


by Anonymousreply 349May 20, 2023 3:28 PM

Muriel, if you want our continued $20 a year, you MUST block this unhinged, demented lunatic.

[quote] Vee, who’s in the biz, is making this all about HIm. Fucking asswipe. RIP Jackie and fuck off Vee, who’s in the biz.

[quote] Alan Sarapa and that fat slob Casey hutchinson can both shut the fuck up now

[quote] Vee, who’s in the biz, has taken over planning Jackie’s entire funeral

[quote] That crazy KooKoodora is still upset that she never got to eat out Anne Heche’s snatch.

[quote] It’s Serial Scholar, aka MonticelloEdge on twitter who is a sick bastard. Spicen dumped MonticelloEdge. Such daytime drama.

[quote] I'll never forget the day they removed "THE" from "THE Guiding Light." My world changed forever that day. Once they slimmed down the name, they began eliminating all the fat people one by one. Fat Ed, Fat Bert, Fat Steve Jackson, Fat Hope, Fat Hillary, Fat Bea, Fat Nola, Fat Floyd, and Fat Rita were all axed. Kobe and Long did try and rectify the situation with Fat Reva, Fat H.B., Fat Sally, Fat Rick, Fat Maureen, and Fat Billy, but it just wasn't the same amount of extreme girth.

by Anonymousreply 350May 20, 2023 3:32 PM

Sorry, off topic but... is Kin Shriner gay? He made me gay when I was a teen!

by Anonymousreply 351May 20, 2023 4:19 PM

Well, he never sucked my dick...

by Anonymousreply 352May 20, 2023 4:20 PM

Was Jackie around before Gloria Monty took THE out of THE GENERAL HOSPITAL?

by Anonymousreply 353May 20, 2023 4:21 PM

Jackie started on 1/9/78. Gloria Monty started 1/2/78.

by Anonymousreply 354May 20, 2023 4:52 PM

It was definitely rape, even Luke said the same thing to Bobbie at the time.

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by Anonymousreply 355May 20, 2023 6:49 PM

But was it…er, never mind.

by Anonymousreply 356May 20, 2023 6:52 PM

I have never understood the appeal of Tony Geary. How was he ever a sex symbol? He was not attractive. And at the height of Luke of Laura craze, I would say Noah Drake, Joe Kelly or Robert Scorpio were infinitely more attractive than Luke Spencer.

Am I missing something? He sure made Gloria Monty’s granny panties wet.

by Anonymousreply 357May 20, 2023 7:38 PM

R352 Actually, rumor has it that he did.....and yes, Kin is rumored to be gay.

by Anonymousreply 358May 20, 2023 7:55 PM

[quote] I have never understood the appeal of Tony Geary. How was he ever a sex symbol?

I don't disagree. I think it was the whole 70s vibe, lots of unusual looking guys in the late 70s were considered "cute."

And Luke/Laura was kind of like.....well, maybe "Twilight" is a somewhat decent parallel. There it's "vampire falls in love, gives up everything for her" or that sort of nonsense. I think setting the rape aside, it was an old fashion, almost 40s-esque "love of a good woman" storyline.

by Anonymousreply 359May 20, 2023 7:58 PM

anyone who watched GH in the 70-80s or until GF left in the early 2000s would see that Luke loved Laura with all his heart(even obsessed with her) until fucking AG started speaking shit about L&L every chance he could

by Anonymousreply 360May 20, 2023 8:01 PM

I think both Tony and Genie just started to hate L&L. Something went sour with them in the late 90s. If the rumors are to be believed Genie became much more conservative and did not want to kiss Geary, a gay man.

Once Guza was at the helm, Lady Geary had a friendly ear for her let's-make-Luke-an-antihero-again campaign. (Just what Port Charles needed....TWO amoral mobsters running everything in town.)

by Anonymousreply 361May 20, 2023 8:10 PM

Both Tony and Genie had to go from characters/experiences they liked or were invested in (Bill Eckert, Ceara Connor) back to the safe, familiar and already more than a little typecasting. Add in Genie's resentment about past disrespect from TPTB and alleged conservatism (something I hope is only a rumor, but I could see it happening as an offshoot of trying to put distance between her and the bad old days) and it's no wonder that the meltdown happened.

by Anonymousreply 362May 20, 2023 8:35 PM

Fast-forwarding past Gloria Monty's GH for a moment, I want to mention a tidbit I saw in TV Guide circa 2000. Ann Marcus' autobiography supposedly had dish about her working with an actress who was on GH in '88 and ended up going to rehab. The actress was still around in '00. I'm wondering if it was Kristina Wagner, who was off the show for a few months in late '88-early '89.

by Anonymousreply 363May 20, 2023 8:38 PM

Tony Geary can rape me, anytime.

by Anonymousreply 364May 20, 2023 8:51 PM

Ann Marcus discussing GH. Doesn’t mention an actress but she does mention Gloria Monty and her sister Norma, who was foisted on every headwriter post-Marland.

Ann Marcus is underrated I think. I think she would have done a fabulous job on Santa Barbara. She wrote Mary Hartman, Days of our Lives (jn the 70s) and Falcon Crest, so she had the correct sensibility.

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by Anonymousreply 365May 20, 2023 9:06 PM

Luke and Bobbie Boogie.

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by Anonymousreply 366May 20, 2023 9:17 PM

Has Judith Chapman issued a statement?

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by Anonymousreply 368May 20, 2023 10:26 PM

First thing: Soaps in the 60s and 70s had, "interesting" looking leading men. They weren't ugly, but they hadn't just stepped off a runway either. Soaps didn't go for models with model good looks until the late 80s/90s with John Conboy was an exception, both Love is A Many Splendored Thing and Y&R hired very handsome actors.

Second thing: Don't know what happened between Tony and Genie - other than Genie's no kissing rule, but Tony always seemed to fall back on Doug Marland. In one interview he said that Doug Marland created a scum bag and he always played Luke as a scum bag, regardless of how the audience perceived it. 🤷‍♂️

by Anonymousreply 369May 20, 2023 10:34 PM

I recall old DL threads saying Genie's no kissing rule was mandated by her husband and had HIV overtones.

More recent DL threads suggest LW had Carly/Shawn broken up because her husband didn't like it.

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by Anonymousreply 371May 20, 2023 10:47 PM

[quote]alleged conservatism

I mean, I know spouses can have different political opinions, but Jonathan Frakes is pretty liberal. In 2016, a bunch of Star Trek people, from all generations of the franchise, signed off on a "Trek Against Trump" platform. He was one of the signatories.

[quote]I recall old DL threads saying Genie's no kissing rule was mandated by her husband and had HIV overtones.

Also, Frakes is pretty gay-friendly. He's even gone on record about one of the first LGBT-adjacent episodes Trek did, and acknowledged that they'd fucked it up.

by Anonymousreply 372May 20, 2023 11:36 PM

Meanwhile, Wes probably faps to Carly and Drew scenes and wishes he and Cam could go knob to knob.

by Anonymousreply 373May 21, 2023 12:01 AM

When L&L were at their height, I was still too young to be really into soaps, but I did get hooked on Guiding Light for a summer, during the Kelly/Nola stuff, until I was turned on to AMC in 1982 and became obsessed with that show.

I did watch GH some, but I think Laura was on the way out when I started-I remember Bobbie and Noah, and then fake Laura (Janine Turner) and her sister, Demi Moore. I guess that was around 1982 as well?

by Anonymousreply 374May 21, 2023 3:39 AM

I remember seeing the L&L stuff because my sister watched. But I was also watching Kelly Nelson's straining Speedo on GL.

And then once pendulous Phillip Spaulding came on the scene I was hooked.

by Anonymousreply 375May 21, 2023 3:48 AM

Revisiting the D.L. Brock story, it's interesting that he keeps insisting that Bobbie and Rick are all-but having an affair. It makes you wonder why GH didn't go that route, other than I guess they figured they needed to redeem Ginny (so she got Rick) and Jake was available (for Bobbie).

by Anonymousreply 376May 21, 2023 3:58 AM

R375, in what scene did Phillip have a hard on? Was he with Mindy?

Grant was, what, 23 or 24 when he joined the show?

by Anonymousreply 377May 21, 2023 7:07 AM

Imagine how great GL was in 1980-81 to be ranked the No. 4 or 5 soap and be opposite juggernaut GH.

GH's numbers would have been higher without GL opposite and vice versa.

by Anonymousreply 378May 21, 2023 7:09 AM

[QUOTE] In one interview he said that Doug Marland created a scum bag and he always played Luke as a scum bag, regardless of how the audience perceived it.

I believe that. He forced his 14 year old sister into prostitution, corrupted Lucky, hired a hooker to be Nu-Laura, tried to kill Nikolas (Laura's rape-son) and worst of... when he ran over his grandson Jake while drunk driving, his excuse for not stopping was saying he thought it was a speed bump. That line turned my stomach. Luke always made my skin crawl, and his appearance didn't help matters.

by Anonymousreply 379May 21, 2023 11:55 AM

When are the fat, FAS, ugly soap twitter queens hosting Jackie Z’s twitter memorial service?!? I need to write down the date for my planner!!

Jackie Z deserves a twitter funeral more than Smellie Nellie Branco and Liz Hubbard!!!!

by Anonymousreply 380May 21, 2023 1:09 PM

R377 Yes, it was a scene where Grant/Phillip had on those short gym shorts we all had in 7th grade, and he and Krista (as Mindy) were working out.

The cameraman must have thought the red shorts hid the bulge but from a side angle he was so obscenely hard it was almost comic. Thank goodness for VCRs is all I can say.

by Anonymousreply 381May 21, 2023 1:11 PM

An interesting take on Bobbie

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by Anonymousreply 382May 21, 2023 4:57 PM

Has Rachel Ames or Brooke Bundy issued a statement?

by Anonymousreply 383May 21, 2023 5:05 PM

Wasn't the original plan (post-rape) to kill-off Luke?? He was supposed to be the one killed in the assassination attempt on Mitch Williams, not Roy DeLuca. But then, Asher Brauner was cast in some ABC pilot (that the suits were really high on), so it was switched -- Roy "died" & Luke stayed.

by Anonymousreply 384May 21, 2023 5:37 PM

R384 Yes, you are correct. Luke became too popular to kill off.

by Anonymousreply 385May 21, 2023 6:02 PM

It's pretty ironic that in the late 70s, Emily McLaughlin/Jessie Brewer went from lead heroine to a glorified under-five in order to spotlight Zeman/Bobbie and the other young characters. Twenty-odd years later, the exact same thing would happen to Zeman.

by Anonymousreply 386May 21, 2023 6:29 PM

Zeman looks so much like Piper Laurie in that pic from r382, as if she walked off the set of Carrie as a younger Margaret White.

by Anonymousreply 387May 21, 2023 6:32 PM

It’s hard to imagine Emily McLaughlin as the lead heroine of a romantic drama. She was always plain and looked like she smoked 4 packs a day. But she landed Jeffrey Hunter in real life so she must have had a magic tongue or something.

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by Anonymousreply 388May 21, 2023 6:49 PM

Well, since this is sort of a thread about aging soap stars, Brynn Thayer (Jenny, OLTL) is on the latest episode of the Fatal Attraction series. I didn’t recognize her at first. Dee Wallace is also on the episode and although they are the same age, Thayer looks much older. Not bad, though.

by Anonymousreply 389May 21, 2023 7:25 PM

Brynn went to my high school!

So great in a brief but memorable guest appearance on Moonlighting.

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by Anonymousreply 390May 21, 2023 7:55 PM

I just saw that episode of Fatal Attraction also. I thought it was her, but not sure until I saw her name in the credits. But I'm not sure if she looks like that in real life or if she's done up for her character.

by Anonymousreply 391May 21, 2023 7:57 PM

Brynn? She had a low Q rating.

by Anonymousreply 392May 21, 2023 7:57 PM

Brynn Thayer was the first but not the last woman to fuck Judith Light.

by Anonymousreply 393May 21, 2023 8:03 PM

I don't like the turn this thread has taken. Not atall!

by Anonymousreply 394May 21, 2023 8:06 PM

Jacklyn Zeman had so many great years on the show .However they didn't give her a more prominent story after she got past 50 or so. Carly basically took over and left her in the dust. So much untapped potential. What happened to her in the intervening years? The actress never complained because she was a Class Act but retrospectively those writers should be ashamed of themselves for squandering her potential because of age or whatever the reason was.

by Anonymousreply 395May 21, 2023 8:26 PM

R384, exactly, you're correct; Aaron Spelling's one series that never took off (okay one of a few) BAD CATS with Michelle Pfeiffer

Asher played a hookup of Michael Ontkean's character in Making Love.

HIs scene was with Kate Jackson; she asked him if he was happy and he said he gets mad over parking tickets and other shit but yeah, he's happy. That was one of the best parts of the movie.

by Anonymousreply 396May 21, 2023 8:45 PM

She had such pretty, expressive eyes.

by Anonymousreply 397May 21, 2023 9:01 PM

I think certainly Zeman's plastic surgery had a role in her reduced appearances.

Not being mean....but like Hunter Tylo, some of JZ's procedures did her no favors.

by Anonymousreply 398May 21, 2023 9:29 PM

Was Jackie part of the Jane/Dee/Lezlie clip cat club?

by Anonymousreply 399May 21, 2023 9:31 PM

Didn't JFP marginalize her? I think that before her surgeries.

by Anonymousreply 400May 21, 2023 9:34 PM

Stifle, Shitspen.

by Anonymousreply 401May 21, 2023 9:35 PM

Does anyone remember Jake and Bobbie as a couple? I think he might have left her for Blair Warner.

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by Anonymousreply 403May 22, 2023 12:50 AM

Sam Behrens and Doug Sheehan both made it to prime time, then disappeared into relative obscurity.

by Anonymousreply 404May 22, 2023 12:59 AM

When is Jackie’s obese soap queen twitter funeral? I need to know now!!!

by Anonymousreply 405May 22, 2023 1:08 AM

When was the photo from the article at R403 taken? Jackie looks good there, like she'd let thing settle down between procedures.

by Anonymousreply 406May 22, 2023 1:37 AM

Maybe they could have made Bobbie's character similar to Donna Love from Another World, so that she could have stayed on the canvas. Bobbie could have been Carly's flawed conscience and talk to and someone who was trying to cover up Carly's messes like Donna Love was to Vicky.

by Anonymousreply 407May 22, 2023 1:40 AM

I get the feeling that Zeman wasn't as fond of Laura Wright as much as the other ladies who played Carly by the way she answered the question.

I don't know where that picture of her came from.

by Anonymousreply 408May 22, 2023 1:47 AM

Doug Sheehan was hot.

by Anonymousreply 409May 22, 2023 3:46 AM

r406 r403,

You're right about the good photo.

It's a good interview. It covered a lot. From Doug Marland to more recent times. And the shoutout to her fans at the end is nice.

The show didn't always put her in the front-burner but the press seemed to really love her. I do give Frank HUGE credit for bringing her back 10 years ago. It seemed like every show Jill went to, she got rid of beloved faves GL's Alexandra and Maureen; Frankie and Sharlene at AW; Dorian at OLTL; at GH, she got rid of Bobbie...others.

Today, GH has Robert, Holly, Laura, Anna, Scotty, etc. Even with Leslie Charleson not coming to work, Frank still had her call in for a key episode.

by Anonymousreply 410May 22, 2023 4:31 AM

Poor Jackie cooked her own goose by having those awful facelifts and boobie jobs. Even people who are now mourning her made fun of her looks back in the day. Queen Logan - we mean you.

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by Anonymousreply 412May 22, 2023 3:46 PM

Has David Groh released a statement? He was great as one of Bobbie's husbands.

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by Anonymousreply 414May 22, 2023 4:01 PM

[quote]Has David Groh released a statement?

I think he's living in a van down by the river.

by Anonymousreply 415May 22, 2023 4:04 PM

David Groh has reunited with Valerie Harper in the great hereafter.

by Anonymousreply 416May 22, 2023 10:15 PM

Has Emily McLaughlan released a statement? What about John "Butch" Bernadino?

by Anonymousreply 417May 22, 2023 10:25 PM

Valerie Starrett's and Mary O'Brien's statements are imminent.

by Anonymousreply 418May 22, 2023 10:51 PM

IMO Jackie Z is superior to Lady Geary in this his intro to the Zeitgeist...she's effortless to his all-out effort.

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by Anonymousreply 419May 22, 2023 11:26 PM

Why is a nobody like Johnny Wactor still doing GH fan events? Who is clamoring to see him?

by Anonymousreply 420May 22, 2023 11:34 PM

She was well enough to lend her voice during Epiphany’s memorial, R345. Monica called Liz and told her Epiphany wanted her as Head Nurse.

by Anonymousreply 421May 23, 2023 12:18 AM

Frank only called JZ back when Carly needed even more propping, R410. They’ve downplayed/whitewashed so much of Bobbie/Carly’s origins to make Carly some upstanding matriarch on the show especially recently.

by Anonymousreply 422May 23, 2023 12:27 AM

R422 it could have been more but Frank valued more than Jill did.

by Anonymousreply 423May 23, 2023 1:35 AM

Speaking of Frank, the man is so handsome, he belong in front of the camera. He must have guys lining up in front of his bed. Is he top or bottom? I must know.

by Anonymousreply 424May 23, 2023 1:38 AM

I'm going to assume that it was one of the situations where JFP had to free up money and JZ had been around awhile and was making the kind of money were her salary could pay for a few newbies and bump a more popular character up in salary.

by Anonymousreply 425May 23, 2023 1:47 AM

r424 - Top, and he likes young ken dolls and twinks.

by Anonymousreply 426May 23, 2023 1:48 AM

Fun fact-JFP was the music supervisor on GH in 1979, she is the one who picked “Rise” for the rape scene.

by Anonymousreply 427May 23, 2023 1:51 AM

I think one of Jackie's husbands was a plastic surgeon.

by Anonymousreply 428May 23, 2023 1:57 AM

If Frank's casting couch could speak?

by Anonymousreply 429May 23, 2023 2:05 AM

Frank IS hot.

I bet he's hung.

by Anonymousreply 430May 23, 2023 3:53 AM

R427, Jill's IMDB has her being in the music department in 1983-84; that's 3 to 4 years before Rise was played at the Campus Disco.

Jill ALWAYS has a budget issue. She had a budget issue when she killed off Maureen to bring on scenery-eating Buzz Cooper on GL; she had budget issues when she got rid of Frankie Frame and probably Sharlene; she had budget issues when she got rid of Strasser.

Other producers have budget issues and they don't make these kinds of casting decisions.

by Anonymousreply 431May 23, 2023 4:20 AM

Tony Geary has said repeatedly that he is the one who suggested using “Rise.”

by Anonymousreply 432May 23, 2023 4:41 AM

I guess back then we were supposed to feel for Luke and his crazy desire to have Laura; he thought he was going to die so that, he felt, justified him taking her and raping her.

if she'd turned him into the cops, Scotty or Frank Smith would have killed him.

When Luke started to suspect that Laura had feelings for her, he fucked with her head; there was a packed house at the Campus Disco one night and Luke plays RISE and says right on front of Laura, who's dancing with Scotty, DANCE WITH ME! and then walks over to dance with Jennifer.


by Anonymousreply 433May 23, 2023 5:12 AM

[QUOTE] If Frank's casting couch could speak?

It would say Thank God for scotchgard!

by Anonymousreply 434May 23, 2023 11:42 AM

The seminal problem between Geary and Francis was a twisted mirror of their fictional couple’s initial woes. They were friends who became sexually then romantically involved, to their great shock, as Geary had never had feelings like that for a woman and on Francis’s side Geary took her virginity and was her first adult relationship. They ended up having a child, whom Genie gave up and Tony didn’t know existed. The bitterness about that secret prevented them from ever being reunited onscreen.

by Anonymousreply 435May 23, 2023 12:58 PM

I'm glad I started watching GH in the late 1970s through its glory years. I stopped in the early 1990s after graduating from college and starting work. I lost touch with all my soaps. A couple years later, I got the flu and was home sick for a week. I revisited my old soaps and found I couldn't stand them anymore. But GH back in the day was great with lots of good storylines.

I started watching before Luke and Laura took off. Alan was plotting to kill Monica and Rick. Heather was in an asylum. Bobbie was trying to get Scotty. Luke fell in love with Laura. Then the Luke and Laura thing exploded. Everyone at my junior high school watched the show. We'd talk about it the next day.

RIP Jackie. You were great as Nurse Bobbie.

by Anonymousreply 436May 23, 2023 1:04 PM

Gloria Monty was a genius.

by Anonymousreply 437May 23, 2023 1:40 PM

R393, care to elaborate?

by Anonymousreply 438May 23, 2023 2:36 PM

Dear poster upthread who said Jill selected "Rise" - you had the right idea but wrong song. It was Jill who suggested the use of "Think of Laura" for Genie's brief return as Laura, and reunion with Tony Geary/Luke.

That was a genius move, as it was teased through story/episodes as well as commercials for weeks and resulted in blockbuster ratings for the show.

by Anonymousreply 439May 23, 2023 2:55 PM

It would really be something to think about big dick Frankie nailing some of those hot twinks and furry jocks on his casting couch.

I'd pay good money to see him pounding a newly 18 year old Triscuit and breeding him. But I'd also watch him loading up Swicky too, especially if Swicky's stroke buddy Michael Mealor is the third.....

by Anonymousreply 440May 23, 2023 2:56 PM

R435 hilarious fan fiction, but no. Tony has always been strictly dickly, despite claims of a "romance" between Lady Geary and Liz Taylor.

He was dating a producer early on in his career - I think that's how he landed his role on All In The Family - and for a long stretch was paired with Ron Glass of Barney Miller fame.

by Anonymousreply 441May 23, 2023 3:23 PM

r435 Hilarious fan fiction there! Thanks for sharing your attempt.

Are you doing this for an assignment in your creative writing class? Or is this purely fan fiction for your own amusement?

by Anonymousreply 442May 23, 2023 5:06 PM

I agree with Jill Farren Phelps. Who the fuck wanted to look at Bobbie with that face! Jill was right.

by Anonymousreply 443May 23, 2023 6:25 PM

Lezlie Charleson also had some bad procedures, but JFP didn't fire her ass.

by Anonymousreply 444May 23, 2023 6:57 PM


thank you, I literally LOLed

by Anonymousreply 445May 23, 2023 9:29 PM

Thanks for the laugh, R435.

by Anonymousreply 446May 24, 2023 1:21 AM

Is Jill Farren Phelps the most hated woman in soaps?

by Anonymousreply 447May 24, 2023 1:41 AM


by Anonymousreply 448May 24, 2023 2:02 AM

R447 It's probably a tie between Jill and Dena Higley.

Mary Alice "Mickey" Dwyer Dobbin was also a cuntress from hell but I think she falls several levels lower in cuntitude.

by Anonymousreply 449May 24, 2023 4:44 AM

Robin Strasser is a nasty old cunt. Jill Farren Phelps has about a dozen Emmys. Robin has 1. Do the math.

by Anonymousreply 450May 24, 2023 5:44 AM

I can't believe this thread has almost 500 posts. So much love for Jackie Zeman! I'm thrilled.

This was one of my favorite scenes.....

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by Anonymousreply 451May 24, 2023 7:46 AM

Shit. I'll try again

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by Anonymousreply 452May 24, 2023 7:48 AM

^^ "Jason, haven't you learned by now that Carly weeps, the way the rest of us breathe....If she didn't feel sorry for herself, she'd feel nothing at all!"

Remember when GH actually had good writers?? And I forgot I actually liked Steve Burton once upon a time.

by Anonymousreply 453May 24, 2023 7:54 AM

Are we getting a Jackie fan bench in Central Park? THE ANOTHER WORLD has a fan bench built by kookoo from SON!

by Anonymousreply 454May 24, 2023 9:07 AM

Has KooKoodora started the gofundme for Jackie’s bench in Central Park? The obese twitter queens will surely donate during Jackie’s twitter funeral.

by Anonymousreply 455May 24, 2023 11:22 AM

I never cared for or watched GH much but I have to say I'm impressed with the Sarah Brown Carly clips, and even - hard for me to believe - some of those Kelly Monaco clips around the time Sam learned Alexis was her mother.

Kelly M was interesting in those scenes.....perhaps for the one and only time I can recall.

by Anonymousreply 456May 24, 2023 2:01 PM

R456 - Did Sam plan on destroying Alexis' perfect life by first seducing Diane?

by Anonymousreply 457May 24, 2023 10:18 PM

Kelly was HORRIBLE in that story R456. It was comical watching her try to keep up with NLG. Those weird tics of hers - the whispering, the random yelling, the hands in the back pocket, the run on line delivery. So bad.

That story was so incredibly stupid.

by Anonymousreply 458May 26, 2023 3:44 AM

Jackie has a SIX page spread in the new Digest. Most other stars that have died in recent years got the front two pages - her 6 pages are further back in the magazine.

by Anonymousreply 459May 26, 2023 4:37 AM

(granted, three of them are social media comments)

by Anonymousreply 460May 26, 2023 1:35 PM

Seems like she was really one hell of a lady.

by Anonymousreply 461May 26, 2023 8:24 PM

She's one lady who knew how to take care of herself.

by Anonymousreply 462May 26, 2023 9:29 PM

First Epiphany, then Bobbie. Shit, Liz better sleep with one eye open.

by Anonymousreply 463May 26, 2023 9:46 PM

SabLina Santiago.

by Anonymousreply 464May 26, 2023 10:16 PM

R301 - thanks so much for posting that clip of the opening number of the 1988 Emmy Awards!

There’s another musical opening from an Emmy telecast in the 1980s that I’ve been unable to find. Back then the networks took turns airing the Emmys. One year it was aired on CBS and began at 3 (East Coast) — preempting Guiding Light. The opening number was a song with the refrain, “How will I know?” — the lyrics were about missing that day’s episode of Guiding Light.

Does anyone remember that? It’s been so long it is almost like a fever dream.


by Anonymousreply 465May 27, 2023 1:48 AM

That would either be the 1985 or 1982 ceremonies, R465.

by Anonymousreply 466May 27, 2023 1:53 AM

R460, 3 1/2 pages are social media posts about Jackie. And they include folks like Kate Linder and others who didn't know her all that well from what I can tell.

How about picking up the phone and calling Brad Maule and getting his thoughts on Jackie. There were other actors who played her love interests or husbands that aren't included; a magazine is always going to be late with something like this so make it special. Fans who read that tribute might feel...yeah, I read all these already.

by Anonymousreply 467May 27, 2023 2:13 AM

R449, not necessarily.

by Anonymousreply 468May 27, 2023 2:15 AM
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