I watched Tootsie last night

I hated that movie. It was like an 80s version of the Three Stooges.

80s Dabney Coleman was very handsome. I loved him as a cop in 'How to Beat the High Cost of Living'.

Tootsie was funny but could never be made today without triggering a LOT of trans SJWs.

Love that movie. It's one of my favorites.

I begged you to get therapy.

Does Jeff know?

Who told you that? The agent fairy?

GREAT ass in “9 to 5”

Dabney Coleman is still alive.

I think whatshername, the gurl, is very good - totally captures the neurotic New York gurl trying to make it as an actress.

Dabney had a great ass. You see him from behind a couple of times in On Golden Pond, but not nearly enough.

Then you should look at Modern Problems R10 - where there's more than enough.

Dabney looks like the kind of straight guy you could totally get into a man-on-man sexuation.

I’m just not attracted to those kind of men (who are attracted to women with facial hair).

I liked Dabney ever since he got busted for coke at an airport security check.

His show deserved a longer run.

I love that movie, too. Omg, when his wife figures out what he'd been doing, and she says " the whole time, THE WHOLE TIME!" I also loved when he went for those job interviews!

It makes it all the more difficult for me to say what I'm now going to say. Yes. I do feel it's time to set the record straight. You see, I didn't come here just as an administrator, Dr. Brewster; I came to this hospital to settle an old score. Now you all know that my father was a brilliant man; he built this hospital. What you don't know is that to his family, he was an unmerciful tyrant - a absolute dodo bird. He drove my mother, his wife, to - to drink; in fact, she - uh, she she she went riding one time and lost all her teeth. The son Edward became a recluse, and the oldest daughter - the pretty one, the charming one - became pregnant when she was fifteen years old and was driven out of the house. In fact, she was so terrified that she would, uh, that, uh, that, that, that the baby daughter would bear the stigma of illegitimacy that she, she - she decided to change her name and she contracted a disfiguring disease... after moving to Tangiers, which is where she raised the, the, the little girl as her sister. But her one ambition in life - besides the child's happiness - was to become a nurse, so she returned to the States and joined the staff right here at Southwest General. Well, she worked here, she knew she had to speak out wherever she saw injustice and inhumanity. God save us, you do understand that, don't you, Dr. Brewster? (“I never laid a hand on her!”) Yes, you did! And she was shunned by all you nurses, too... and by a, what do you call it, what do you call it, a - something like a pariah, to you doctors who found her idealistic and reckless. But she was deeply, deeply, deeply, deeply, deeply, deeply loved by her brother. It was this brother who, on the day of her death, swore to the good Lord above that he would follow in her footsteps, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just owe it all up to her. But on her terms. As a woman. And just as proud to be a woman as she ever was. For I am not Emily Kimberly, the daughter of Dwayne and Alma Kimberly. No, I'm not... I’M EDWARD KIMBERLY, THE RECLUSE BROTHER OF MY SISTER ANTHEA.

LITERAL VIOLENCE

You got this Howard Johnson thing going on.

It's funny yes but even when that first came out I thought, so a man is a better woman than women.

I rather hate Hoffman's drag act - but the supporting cast is excellent.

It’s amazing that Bill Murray’s uncredited in this movie.

I loved Pollack as the agent. He made the movie for me. I looked forward to every scene he was in.

R16 isn't that Sally Field in Mrs. Doubtfire?

I'll have a Dubonnet with a twist. That's a lovely blouse.

I always hated how she screamed her lines on "The Facts of Life"

Was the Jessica Lange character a lush?

This article says Dabney hit a woman with her own purse and tried to throw her out of his car!

Is he a Datalounger?

Terrific movie! When I was a clueless young kid watching, I was confused to no end wondering how a woman would think that another woman was attracted to her.

Coleman showed up on [italic]Boardwalk Empire[/italic] as an evil old man, type casting I suppose.

[quote]This article says Dabney hit a woman with her own purse and tried to throw her out of his car!

[quote]Is he a Datalounger?

If he did it because he found out it was a knock-off, probably yes.

Tootsie is my favorite movie of all time. Every performance and every scene is absolutely perfect.

I always hate women who treat other women as stand-ins for men.

I was a stand-up tomato: a juicy, sexy, beefsteak tomato! Nobody does vegetables like me! I did an evening of vegetables off-Broadway. I did the best tomato, the best cucumber... I did an endive salad that knocked the critics on their ass!

Larry Wolek’s sister Anna Craig is in Tootsie.

Tootsie had a great theme song - It Might Be You by Stephen Bishop. On our recent Yacht Rock thread, this was a favorite.

Sidney Pollack is great in this.

I love this movie. Jessica Lange is most lovely in it. And that old lecherous actor with the breath spray? Omg.

I get a kick out of DL’s obsession with Dabney Coleman’s ass. Sydney Pollack was so good in this - a really great actor as it turned out.

I love Tootsie. Like All About Eve, the script is just perfection. Every character, even characters with small parts all shine.

I still can't believe Charles Durning wasn't nominated for this film but for The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas. He was brilliant in this film. And should have won.

I saw Tootsie on its release and found it "pretty funny", but when it blew up and became such an overwhelming critical darling I was really surprised.

I mean, it's cute, but was it really all that? The cast was....fine, and yet it is hard for me to ignore that Dustin Hoffman kind of sucks all the oxygen out of it. I didn't think he was so great at all.

That is one nutty hospital.

[quote] You got this Howard Johnson thing going on.

It's not Howard Johnson, it's "horogontus" (don't count on my spelling). It's a nonsense word he made up trying to mash up horizontal with the suffix "gon" (side angle).

It was an ad-lib, and yes, I asked him.

My father walked out on us when I was a pre-schooler and I only saw him a handful of times while he was alive. On one of those times I saw this movie with him and his girlfriend.

I liked Hoffman’s comment that he so liked his Dorothy character that he wished he could have made a more attractive-looking woman.

He looked liked Andrea Mitchell

This is a movie that I often heard but knew absolutely nothing about it until a few months ago, it was free on YouTube so I finally watched it...

Anyway, I just want to mention one thing, I always felt there was something off about that woman in the movie poster, now I know why.

R27, I just don't think you should worry about it.

[quote] It's not Howard Johnson, it's "horogontus" (don't count on my spelling). It's a nonsense word he made up trying to mash up horizontal with the suffix "gon" (side angle). It was an ad-lib, and yes, I asked him.

I don't know what that post was about.

I can watch this scene a million times and laugh every time.

I’m a little surprised by the couple of you who don’t like Hoffman’s performance. I think he’s absolutely brilliant. It’s one of my favorite film performances of all time.

God forbid you lose your standing as a cult failure.

Hoffman should’ve won the Oscar for this instead of Kramer vs Kramer. Then the 79 Best Actor could’ve gone to Roy Scheider.

[quote] I don't know what that post was about.

Umm, who you gonna believe? Murray or some idiot who made a meme?

R17 I love when the normally unflappable producer starts stammering.

Before Hoffman officially became involved, his role had been offered to Peter Sellers and Michael Caine.

It's a drag show. It needs to be re-rated NC-17 so children aren't groomed!

I watched Shitsie

“Suddenly I’ll Knowwww. When my love comes along🎶”

There's no suddenly in that lyric.

I thought Hoffman as Dorothy looked just like Jane Fonda in 9 to 5...

Sydney Pollack said in an interview once that this was the only movie he ever made where he wouldn't change a thing in any scene. I can see why. The movie still holds up today. It's a brilliant comedy with a still relevant message about gender equality.

How do you feel about Cleveland?

Doris Belack legitimized the farcical aspect of Hoffman’s casting as a woman. I wonder if her feelings were a bit hurt.

She’s a smart, talented lady.

She had to have realized her looks made that of Dorothy’s more believable.

I adore this movie, everything about it is perfection. And I especially enjoyed Dabney Coleman because I fell in love with him watching him play Mayor Merle Jeeter in 'Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman'. The scenes between him and Marian Mercer as his wife Wanda were comedy gold, I always think of them as 'demented Tracy and Hepburn'.

And he was sexy as hell, and he did show his ass in one of the last scenes of MHMH.

Lynne Thigpen! ❤️

Love the split-second Warhol cameo.

Let me start by MARY-ing myself. That last scene with Lange and Hoffman is just perfect. And I love when they walk off as the credits roll and she jokingly pushes him then puts her arm around him. Gets me every time.

“Not TOO Close!”

R54, I believe my own ears!

For the birds

The scene at the Russian Tea Room is my pick for funniest of all time. Sidney and Dustin are perfect.

Is that my left or your left?

"How do you feel about Cleveland?"

You are an actress! You were on Dames at Sea.

^in not on

R72 that scene is funny as hell. The reaction of Pollack and the conversation.

For many years, I thought Garr deserved the Oscar over Lange, but I really see the beauty of Lange's performance and she is a deserving winner. She plays a woman trying to assert herself in a male-dominated world who has to overcome her own insecurities and harassment from men around her. I love the vulnerability Lange shows when she is around "Dorothy". Watching the film now, I realize that one of the reasons why I love Dorothy is because Julie loves her, too. It's around Julie that - despite his attraction to her - Michael is his most likeable and sensitive self. When she says at the end "I miss her" to Michael, she really speaks for the audience.

R78 totally disagree - it’s about having the and shiksa girl be attracted to him thats the fantasy of all Jewish actors/directors/producers at the time, and Lange’s performance never went beyond that prototype. But Garr’a did, and she turned that actressy insecure neurosis into a comedic art form (really). She deserved the win, as did (imo) Hoffman and I agree about Durning.

The bland* shisksa girl

I miss Terri Garr. We lost out on years of many more great performances.

No sequins, Alfred. She's attending her husband's funeral.

This thread inspired tonight's rewatch. Hoffman was 45! And Murray was only 35. I didn't remember Michael Dorsey bring so off-putting at first, especially being such a creep at his birthday party.

The scene where Michael comes on to Julie at the party where he repeats the lines she has told Dorothy doesn't work for me. How could she not know something was up?!

R26= Rose Nyland

Were you EVER famous?

No.

Then how can you be a has been?

[quote]That last scene with Lange and Hoffman is just perfect.

Sorry, but when Hoffman narrows his eyes when he (i believe) says, "we were already good friends" he ruins the moment.

Jessica Lange did a lot of what she did in so many of her early movies...looks down and to the left (or right). I keep thinking of Kevin Costner in JFK when I see her doing that. Teri Garr was better. But all in all, I love the movie. Almost every single supporting player is perfect.

[quote] I believe my own ears!

I'd start learning sign language if I were you.

Dabney Colman handsome?

Tootsie a funny film?

What kind of upsidedown world is this? Gay men were once rumored to have taste, but clearly that was a myth.

To each his own R89.

Am surprised this movie has not been cancelled. Dustin deprives a real woman of a job!

I knew there was a reason she didn’t like me!

Tootsie--The Queen Helene Mint Julep Masque of Datalounge movie criticism.

The Eleanor Roosevelt story??!?

Ive watched this film dozens of times. It plucks such heartstrings of nostalgia for me. It really nails early 80s NYC. I was a NYC kid at the time and my dad was an artist. The opening birthday party scene reminds me of parties he dragged me to back then…the aspiring actor/artist types, the big cheap funky apartments. I miss all that.

My favorite line during the reveal —

God, here come the terms!

I was born in 1978, and movies like Tootsie, 9 to 5, Starting Over, and Kramer vs. Kramer are some of my favorites because the hairstyles and clothing featured in the movies remind me of my earliest memories of how adults looked when I was tiny.

[quote] I loved Pollack as the agent. He made the movie for me. I looked forward to every scene he was in.

Me too, r23.

My favorite Pollack moment is when Michael tells him Les gave him a ring and Pollack reacts with a momentary, sweet, smile on his face, then he eagerly asks Michael, like they were two teenagers gossiping, "what did you say?"

begins at 1:14

After watching R97 clip, I feel like saying "they do not make them like this anymore." Pure perfection.

Yes Pollack was good and also in Husbands and Wives. But I found him not so good in Will & Grace.

Pardon me but is my acting interfering with your talking.

Tootsie was one of the last great movies, full of warmth and charm you no longer see in films. Just hilarious all around. I thought Geena Davis' character was pointless eye candy. Terri Garr was fantastic as were Lange and Hoffman. Did Coleman ever play a good guy in his career, once??

[quote]The scene where Michael comes on to Julie at the party where he repeats the lines she has told Dorothy doesn't work for me. How could she not know something was up?!

Because it's a movie where no realizes a man is pretending to be a woman.

I was born in the 70's as well and I love the time travel appeal of visiting old films. Checking out the clothes and the way people interacted is just amazing to me now.

What kind of a mother would I be if I didn't give my girls tits. Tips. I meant tips.

I am.

R99 oh I loved him on Will & Grace.

I'm with you, R78. Garr was very good, but as an adult it is Lange's performance that stands out for me.

I think Hoffman didn't get the Oscar for Tootsie because he had won for Kramer v. Kramer a few short years before. Also, Ben Kingsley was the critic's darling that Oscar season. The Best Supporting Actress category had three really good comedic performances--Garr, Lange, and Leslie Ann Warren in Victor/Victoria. It was good to see comedic performances rewarded that year, and even take home a win for Lange.

It definitely is a head-scratcher that Charles Durning was nominated and won for The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas, a terrible movie, versus the much superior Tootsie, where I think his performance shines far more than in TBLWIT. I have to think Durning would have preferred a win for Tootsie.

George Gaines is hilarious as John Van Horn. HELP ME GET HER TO HER FEET MISS KIMBERLY.

[quote]It definitely is a head-scratcher that Charles Durning was nominated and won for The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas, a terrible movie, versus the much superior Tootsie,

First Durning stole the entire movie with his song and the nomination was worthy. However he did not win Lou Gossett did.

That man had quite a life. He was in one of the first waves of American troops that landed on Omaha Beach during the D-Day and then The Battle Of The Bulge until he was wounded. He was awarded the Silver Star, Bronze Star, and three Purple Hearts. Then became a professional ballroom dancer, then actor.

[quote]My favorite Pollack moment is when Michael tells him Les gave him a ring and Pollack reacts with a momentary, sweet, smile on his face, then he eagerly asks Michael, like they were two teenagers gossiping, "what did you say?"

I love that Michael’s response is “I gotta think it over!” as if it really were an option.

I almost pissed in the sink! I'm in trouble man!

R101. He was a decent man in On Golden Pond

Definitely one of my favorite movies of all time. 1982 was an incredible year for movies. Tootsie, E.T., Victor/Victoria, Poltergeist, King of Comedy, Sophie's Choice, Fast Times at Ridgemont High and more. I love late 70s, early 80s movies that take place in NYC so that's why I love "King of Comedy" too. And I always love movies about actors. I love Bill Murray's speech during the party: "I don't like it when people come up to me after my plays and say, "I really dug your message, man." Or, "I really dug your play, man, I cried." You know. I like it when people come up to me the next day, or a week later, and they say, "I saw your play. What happened?"

I forgot Dabney Coleman was in it.

R113 The Verdict

Like the above poster, I was a kid back then and Tootsie takes me right back to NYC in the early 80s. Working Girl is another movie that does the same.

You want to know what Manhattan looked like in the 80s? Tootsie and Working Girl are incredible time capsules.

Julie was NEVER going to fit into 5'5" Michael's little yellow dress

What kind of a name for a man is Dabney?

I saw the musical version last year when it came through LA. It’s amazing how bad it was

Between Dabney and Sidney this movie was Daddy Heaven!

She hit him over the head. Rita, she hit him over the head.

R116, How about "Arthur"?

Movies like Tootsie, After Hours, Desperately Seeking Susan, etc., make me nostalgic for a Manhattan that no longer exists, and the many, many people in that world who have long since gone.

NYC in the 80s was fucking insane.

R113 - How about My Favorite Year, one of my favorite movies. As is The Year of Living Dangerously. Missing is excellent. And while these may not be everyone's favorites, Fanny and Alexander, Gandhi and Sophie's Choice, One From The Heart, Das Boot, Diner, Blade Runner, First Blood (original Rambo), Tron, Star Trek: The Wrath Of Khan, An Officer and a Gentleman, 48 Hours, Evil Under The Sun, The World According to Garp, Frances, and a lot more are all pretty good to great movies. Or like Tron, are just fun.

[quote] How about My Favorite Year

Welcome to my humble chapeau.

Mom?!

I miss the Soho from An Unmarried Woman. I used to work across the street from where Jill Clayburgh puked.

R128, these days that's enough to get you your own reality show.

Michael, are you gay?

I too loved Dabney from Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman. You could never hate Merle. His son, Jimmy Joe, was electrocuted when a tv fell in his bathtub. You'd never see that on a straight soap. Dabney was on one of them, Bright Promise, and he was extremely handsome before the mustache and graying hair. He used to either play in/or host celebrity tennis tournaments.

Can’t imagine a year that had both Hoffman in Tootsie and Paul Newman in The Verdict.

And neither one, sadly.

Ron? I have a name it's Dorothy. It's not Tootsie or Toots or Sweetie or Honey or Doll.

Won* I’ll oh dear myself

You forgot Baby, R133

Good Day, Dr. Brewster! I said, Good Day, sir!

Les, Lester, Leslie.

Well I'll....be.....damned.

I love the party they have for the actors and how Bill Murray runs in and out of the movie, nobody is that laidback anymore in our tight-ass world.