Had Diana lived until today

Schadenfreude over the fact that in the end, Camilla got exactly the face she deserves.

Had she lived, Charles would have been forced to abdicate. None of this would have happened. He wouldn’t have been permitted to marry Camilla and keep his title. The public backlash would have been off the charts.

R2 So if that happened, William would be King today ?

I already answered this.

Yes, being a Spender and therefore a staunch monarchist, she would.

I'll never understand this Diana obsession and I write this as a fan of hers.

True, Joan Rivers couldn't be fair about Diana because she was good friends with Charles and Camilla to the point where she was an invited guest, and attended, their wedding reception and lunch.

But, I can't disagree with her when she said something along the lines of Diana died in spectacular way and better than any of us will.

She'll never be forgotten. She died before she got old, so she'll always be remembered as young and beautiful, she died fairly quickly, and she will always be beloved.

Would she have wanted more years for herself and her boys? Of course.

But accidents happen.

And the odds of them happening and causing your death increase when, 1. you're not wearing a seatbelt, 2. the 1500 lbs. of moving steel you're in hits an immovable piece of matter, and 3. the person that's supposed to maneuver that object you're in, is drunk off their ass.

Oh, forgot to add at r5: and the fact that we're still discussing her, years after she is dead, is even more indicative of her dying a better death than any of us will.

Get a load of Cpt. Obvious at r5.

She was a Spencer AND a $pender.

[quote] Get a load of Cpt. Obvious at [R5].

Apparently, not obvious enough to convey that my post is in response to the enduring Camilla haters. You've a right to hate her, that's your business.

I'm just pointing out that Diana, in a very real sense, already has won against Camilla.

How on earth did she “win” against Camilla? Camilla literally got to have her cake and eat it too. She didn’t even have to marry Charles until the last possible moment. She stayed married to her hot husband until his looks tanked, then divorced him, got back with Charles, and now SHE IS THE FUCKING QUEEN OF ENGLAND. To suggest that Diana won anything over Camilla is absolutely ludicrous. It’s very clear who the winner is here.

I see it differently r10.

I read Tina Brown's "The Palace Papers".

Camilla has paid dearly for her prize, and I think it's suggested that even she questions whether it was worth it.

R5 You forgot #4 - Your inlaws have a hit out on you.

R7, r5 is an insufferable frau. I blocked that fat cunt ages ago, with her verbal diarrhea.

[quote] and I think it's suggested that even she questions

What the holy fuck is this conditional gibberish?

Jeez, OP, who the fuck knows. 20+ years is a long time and a lot can happen.

Good, r13.

Like I give a damn.

[quote] Schadenfreude over the fact that in the end, Camilla got exactly the face she deserves.

I also got all the diamonds and sapphires I deserve, too!

Charles would have had to abdicate from what, r2?

Camilla's ex-husband attended, so why wouldn't Diana also have attended? Especially to support her son, William.

True, r17. Yet despite the vast wealth she still didn't spring for dental whitening strips on her coronation.

Charles would not have had to abdicate. It is stupid to suggest he would have had to do so.

It's not exactly stupid, given the history involved (and I am not even talking about ancient history).

Camilla is just an old trollop. She doesn’t have it so bad. She doesn’t do much. No one expects anything of her. She doesn’t even get her period anymore so Charles doesn’t have to fantasise about being her tampon anymore.

There are televisions in the Tower but I don't think Diana's chamber would have electricity.

She was so thirsty , i am sure she would have stared shit if she wasn't invited. Charles married crazy first time and his ugly kud married crazier

The only reason people hate Camilla is she is very dowdy and doesn't give a fuck about fashion (one of Diana's chief loves)

If Charles had an older glamorous mistress like Carmen Dell'Orefice , people would give him a pass. "Well, Diana is very lovely.,..but the girlfriend is FABULOUS!"

R5 after your first paragraph I thought I was going to read something profound.

But nah, cunt.

If Diana were alive, he would not have been allowed to marry Camilla. He would’ve been crowned King today but not with as a married man. Diana’s death was very convenient for everyone except her.

Put me on ignore, you idiot at r28.

r29 it was a civil wedding at the guildhall in Windsor so yes, he would have been allowed to marry Camilla even if Diana were alive. There was a prayer service afterwards. Just as Anne (who was also in line for the throne) was able to marry Timothy Laurence even though her first husband was still alive. Theirs was a Presbyterian wedding.

I know I might be mocked but why couldn’t Charles become King had he remarried with Diana alive. And I’m a bit murky on the details and don’t care to google but were Charles and Diana not officially divorced at the time of her death.

R27, no matter how badly she believed in life, Diana does not deserve to be aged into looking like Penny Marshall. That’s a crime against humanity.

From what I remember reading, because Charles would be the head of the Church of England, the only way for him to remarry and keep the throne was if his former spouse was dead, or if the Queen would change that part of Church Cannon to allow it, if his former Spouse was still alive.

R33 Don't shoot the messenger—it's the work of an AI program. I think it pretty much nailed it, provided she'd allowed herself to age au naturel (the British famously age like milk). But I suspect Diana would have been too insecure to not have eventually dabbled in botox and fillers once they became widely available, albeit judiciously.

If Diana were alive today she would be posting selfies with Sam Smith, tweeting how DJT is the worst human ever, and appearing on Live with Kelly to discuss her latest book and this

r34 yeah it's kind of messy but the Church of England will recognize a civil marriage between people who have a spouse still living..but they will not MARRY someone who has a spouse still living.... and Camilla's spouse was still living.

Ok thanks R37, I wasn't sure.

The summer Diana died, she was striking poses on Al Fayed’s boat to draw press attention away from the birthday party Charles was throwing at Highgrove that was considered Camilla’s coming out officially into his life event. So she would probably be doing something attention seeking far away from London.

Has she not died like she did when she did, Diana would now be living in Dubai, probably on her fourth marriage, rubbing her own Goop-esque lifestyle brand, and would be as culturally relevant and revered as Sarah Ferguson is.

She was lucky to die in a pre-internet age, before reality television. Any mystique or allure that she possessed would take been ruined by both.

Those Brits, at the highest level, have no problem running around and smiling for the camera with jacked up teeth. Good Lord, get an appropriate set of veneers and stop making your subjects look at your gray snagglepuss.

- Lordamercy, I need a splash of something in this glass.

Chuck & the whore. Lovely.

Well R20 considering she started with Banana Brown, boiled egg gray isn’t so bad.

And one thing is for sure, if Diana had lived, Meghan would still be watching the coronation from home on the tele, just like she did today - not a princess.

How would Charles have had to abdicate from being king before he had become king?

[quote] So if that happened, William would be King today ?

Yes.

Seems that Charles would automatically become king and THEN abdicate.

If Diana had lived I do not think it would have altered the course of history in any way. At least not as far as the monarchy was affected. Charles would still become king upon Elizabeth's expiration. William would still become king upon Charles'.

People forget that although Diana was without question the most famous woman in the world when she died, pretty much everyone was sick of her shit. The press, the public, everyone had had enough of the endless cycles of drama. The prevailing hope at the time was that the royal divorce, which had only recently been finalized when she was killed, would put a period on all of it. The dissolution of that marriage had been a major story for nearly a decade by that point.

I agree that Diana died at exactly the right moment in terms of maximizing her own legend. If she had to die, that was the right moment to do it. If she lived, it was all downhill from there. She would never have become an obscure figure, but she would be something much closer to Jackie O. than Jackie Kennedy.

OP I can’t believe that nobody has asked that question before.

William was 15 when Diana died. In just a few years he would be going up to university, meeting a girl called Catherine and the rest is history. Diana would absolutely have wanted to be involved in that and to be a mentor to her daughter-in-law, who would one day be Princess of Wales herself.

R11, are there cliff notes on the Palace Papers and what you mentioned? I can't be bothered to read a whole book.

Thanks

Diana would have been a friend JK and an enemy of Meghan.

Friend of*

[quote][R34] yeah it's kind of messy but the Church of England will recognize a civil marriage between people who have a spouse still living..but they will not MARRY someone who has a spouse still living.... and Camilla's spouse was still living.

Unless they're gay, in which case they won't marry them at all.

Friend of who r51? JK? JK who? JK Rowling?

[quote]Unless they're gay, in which case they won't marry them at all.

True, but they will bless the couple (Which is essentially what happened to Charles and Camilla)

The person saying Charles would have to abdicate is wrong. Charles was already making inroads to presenting Cam as his partner in public before Diana died. It was her shock death that put his plans back by several years, otherwise they would have likely been married sooner.

You know what, the fact that we're still talking about this is a testimony to the way the media has kept it alive. Yes she was a public figure, and her son is the Prince of Wales, heir to the throne. So I accept that there would be interest. But the level of emotion and obsession with the entire saga is really pretty ridiculous at this point. Neither Diana or her kids have had a moments peace since the car crash in Paris. It is because the Media feeds our morbid interest and their inventiveness is inexhaustible.

R47, what are you talking about? Everyone was lapping up that drama. Except for the Windsors of course. Pics were going for upwards of 200k. The paps and reporters were following her everywhere. That’s not a person that people are sick of. They were enthralled with Diana gossip

Oh the lying drama. ^^

R57 you're such a MARY of Teck! Haven't had a moment's peace since 1997? Bit of an exaggeration?

R47 people hadn't turned against her so much as some people didn't like her carrying on with a playboy on a yacht like some tacky celeb. Her landmine work and trips to Africa in the year she died were well received.

I agree with R47. I think as she aged out, and her dramas, her boyfriends, her debacles would have been exhausting. I think someone else would have come along to distract the media eventually. A 60 yr old Diana is not the same as someone in her 30's. She'd be like Fergie. A burnt out case who would have to generate her own publicity, by calling her media contacts so they'd be there to photograph hcoming out of some restaurant or other.

I do recall around 1996 and 1997 that the popularity rankings for royals showed Diana's popularity declining (and Anne's rising). A newscaster here referred to her as a 'ditz'. He received a great deal of hate mail for it but it still still showed that her popularity was on the decline. How she would be today depends on what would happened to her in the 25 years since her death. If she had held onto her (not unjustified) bitterness and anger towards the Royal Family, she would have wasted no opportunity to be a thorn in their side, including embracing Meghan and defending Harry every chance she got and moaning that William is 'lost to her'.

Or she might have moved on (we tend to that between our 30s and 60s), had a few failed marriages and a few stints in rehab (she was a fragile person) and publicly urged her boys to reconcile without committing herself. The press would still be fascinated by her but it would alternate between fawning adoration of a former icon and snide derision.

R62 if Diana were alive Meghan would not have got a look in as Harry wouldn't be such a simpering sitting duck. And she would never have turned on William. Plus I don't see her needing rehab, she didn't go in for pills or booze

Diana was a monarchist. She would have never turned on William. She would definitely have had a lot to say about Camilla being queen. And it would have been ugly.

I wonder how much Botox and filler she’d be full of, or would she just do the discrete nip & tuck.

[quote]The only reason people hate Camilla is she is very dowdy and doesn't give a fuck about fashion (one of Diana's chief loves)

Oh you poor thing.

How about adding she’s arrogant, lazy, and a homewrecker?

Have you seen Charles R26?

His ex-wife wasn’t the ultimate hinderance in marrying Camilla, R56. It was his grandmother and aunt that would gummed up the works. People forget how cowed QEII was when it came to her mother and she’d turned the final screw on her sister’s possible marriage to Townsend.

Both had to be dead and buried before any real inroads could be for Camilla as a legitimized partner.

Camilla is right behind Andrew as the least popular royal in the USA. Of course we all know who the second least popular is in the UK.

There is nothing more fascinating than the troubled people who try and use the dead to push some kind of, obvious, agenda. No one knows what Diana would have done, how she would be perceived in 2023, or what her relationships with her sons, their spouses, her grandchildren, or Charles and Camilla would be like. Diana was a complicated and sometimes unpredictable woman, there is no reason to believe that would not have continued to be the case with Diana at 62 (which is not old).

If Diana wasn't married to Charles then she wouldn't have had anything to say about who was his Queen, r64.

Which British royal is or isn't popular in the US is completely irrelevant, r69. Meghan is barely a royal and the reason she's unpopular in the UK is because she's a complete arsehole.

R2, You be crazy! All your assertions! 🤪

Of course he would have re-married and to Camilla! Diana would probably have married again, too! And as more than amply demonstrated yesterday, the British love and need their historic traditions; thus, Charles would have been officially crowned exactly as he was, and with Queen Camilla.

Would ex-wife Diana have attended or even been invited? The answers are unknowable (the circumstances' not being part of any historic tradition), but one is safe in saying that all would have depended on the post-divorce relationship at the time.

Americans might disregard the significance of the abdication of Edward VIII, but the British and especially the BRF see it as a touchstone never, ever to be repeated. Should Charles live another 25 years, at no point will he "step down" for William.

The British do what is done.

[quote] Which British royal is or isn't popular in the US is completely irrelevant, [R69].

Why’s that, SurvivingAngel? Why don’t Americans matter, but racist xenophobes of fourth-rate power UK do?

Can a Brit explain what about Camilla had Charles so enamored? She's always been as ugly as shit and a trashy chain smoking drunk. Do they have similar interests? Why didn't they marry to begin with? I'm confoosed!

R4 surprised nobody Oh-Deared! me.

Freudian slip – Of course, I meant to write SpenCer. But, if the shoe fits…

R75 she wasn't ugly nor is she a drunk. She's a strong, straight-forward country woman who builds Charles up and makes him feel capable and loved but probably puts him in his place from time to time and gives (gave) him very randy sex. Not hard to understand.

Diana and Charles would have put everything behind them and been on decent terms by now. He wouldn't be married to Camila though. Despite the memes Diana was a monarchist and would have been there for William, and excited about it too. She wanted him to be King.

R75 Think they share a lot of interests. Diana wasn't very bright, which she admitted herself while Charles is pretty intelligent. And they didn't get married because Camilla was a whore who had dated before.

Just to add, Cam is also low-maintenance and let's Charles be the star attraction.

R75 they share similar interests. She wasn’t a virgin bride aka brood mare. Diana gave them what they needed and was then disposed of.

She’s low-maintenance because her face has always been plain, R79. I’m sure she has redeeming qualities but let’s just acknowledge the obvious and move on.

R78 Diana said she'd only referred to herself as "thick as two short planks" to put a boy at ease and regretted saying it as it was a joke. While she wasn't an intellectual she was clever and cultured in her own may. The problem was she was 19 and immature and he was a 60 year old fusspot trapped in a 33yo's body. Plus she outshone him.

There are several stories of Diana and Charles being on more amicable terms in the last year after the divorce

Just speculation, but I think Camilla is deceptively intelligent. It's a term I use to describe women of certain generations or social strata who read books, have brains and are knowledgeable, but never flaunt it. In fact they may even suppress it. I remember watching The Crown in a scene when Charles was attempting to talk about a book or some other cultural thing, maybe a piece of music or a play, and Diana was totally clueless. it was fiction, but it made a point. Not only was Diana too young for him, she didn't know or care about the things he did. Camilla did. And t hey were contemporaries so it made a huge difference.

Diana benefited from the Marilyn Monroe syndrome, dying young and beautiful. Had she lived there is no guarantee she wouldn't have burned through the general goodwill the public felt for her, especially if she married men like Dodi. And had she married him, it's likely she would have eventually divorced him and moved on, perhaps with a few scandals along the way.

There is absolutely no law, nor was there in 1997 or anywhere in between, that someone married outside of the Church of England cannot be crowned the monarch. The poster who asserted this above pulled that out of his ass.

For centuries someone who married a Catholic could not succeed to the throne, but that's an entirely different matter (especially since Camilla was never a Catholic).

r84, just because he was (allegedly) going to propose to her does not mean she would have accepted.

They had just been dating for a few weeks, and she knew he was a notorious playboy.

Had Diana lived, her influence would have waned. Her appeal depended upon being a beautiful, seemingly compassionate victim who looked fabulous in designer frocks. As she aged and dated more rich playboys, public sympathy for her would diminish.

I thought it was shown at her inquest by friends that she thought of it as a harmless summer fling with Dodi and wasn't serious about him?

There's another story about her apologising to her KP staff after his visit as he was so rude to them.

And another that she only holidayed with them as they could provide her with privacy and security (how well that turned out).

While the paparazzi and drunk driver have rightly been blamed for the crash, Dodi was the reason for it. Diana wanted to stay in and he insisted they go to The Ritz for dinner. He devised that ridiculous diversion to let them sneak out the back and he undoubtedly insisted Henri Paul "lose them". I'm guessing he liked the excitement and showing off.

I'm not Surviving Angel, r74, but why the fuck should opinion in America or any other country matter to what the UK does? The racist xenophobes are the Americans who think they are so superior to everyone else that they can pass judgement on other countries. We don't give a fuck about your opinions.

Diana just isn't that impactful in the UK anymore. She seems to carry more weight in the US. The royal family - and Britain - moved on from that chapter in its history a long time ago.

If Diana had lived, things would still have been pretty much the same (although Harry may not have married Meghan). She and Charles were on reasonably good terms at her death, so any issues Diana had would not have been with him.

Diana would probably be living outside the UK.

Diana would have moved to NYC years ago. Now she would be living in Montecito. with Harry and Meghan and her grandkids.

R75, Earthiness. Bawdiness, by all accounts. Like a female Tom Jones, and I don't mean the singer! She gave (and they're not dead yet!) Scorpio Charles what he desired. Didn't Diana? Maybe; her affairs prove she was no ice-cube. But Camilla got there first and imprinted herself on Charles like he was a duckling.

The CoE might not have approved, but I think Charles rather liked her realistic "been around the block" approach to life, love, sex, and relationships, knowing she hadn't any stars in her eyes, especially about the "right" to affairs "traditionally" accorded a Prince of Wales (and which we see Catherine accepting today).

I believe, had Diana lived, both she and Charles would have re-married. Frankly, I don't think Charles would have allowed himself to be thwarted again, and that yesterday would have played out exactly as we witnessed, with a Queen Camilla and a missing Diana (or any other Spencer).

Look at Paul. Was there a Rock wife more Plain-Janer than Linda McCartney, when the husband wasn't? But like Camilla, she was sexual-maternal, already a divorced mother when available to marry, big-busted with good legs. And willing to worship.

It has been observed that Camilla keeps Charles from taking himself so seriously and getting frustrated. He's a much happier man in her presence.

R63, i think perhaps you should re think your statement, plenty of pics of diana high on valium. The tell is her eyes.

One thing the press overlooks today is that Charles had several other “confidants” in his life after his marriage went south. Any one of them could have been the one he married eventually. Ironically, Diana’s obsession with Camilla as detailed in Her True Story gave her legitimacy and helped her rise above the others.

[quote] I'm not Surviving Angel, [R74], but why the fuck should opinion in America or any other country matter to what the UK does?

Are you mentally retarded?

Diana would not have moved to NYC. Los Angeles perhaps. New York, no.

R87, I agree and will add that the public adored William and HArry when they were kids. AS they grew older, teen agers, young adults, and their mother was out here with various men, engaging in public behavior that was unseemly to the RF, the tabloids would not have been kind to her.

Di would be holed up in Dubai or some place like that.

If my grandma had wheels she would have been a pussy wagon

She would’ve been a Dubai Toilet 🚽 by now and an embarrassment.

I disagree. I think she would have been married. Maybe two more times, but married, definitely.

Yeah, R103, to some Saudi.

She would’ve hooked up with Lindsay Lohan and done the worldwide whore tour!

Of course Di would have been at the Coronation -- Cam's ex was there. so why not Di?

If Diana were alive today that Emma Corrin wouldn't have a career.

There wouldn't have been a thing called Netflix which created a show called The Crown if Diana hadn't died, r107?

If Diana hadn't died. Helen Mirren wouldn't have an Oscar or Tony.

So funny to see prudish finger-wagging fraus (of both sexes) tut-tut over Camilla being a "Whore".

Charles II had it all over Charles III with eleven mistresses.

Haha R109 so true, she might still have won the Tony though if Morgan had been interested!

Yes there were mistresses, and yes other kings and princes were adulterers. But I don't recall any time a side piece actually married the monarch and became the queen.

r112 Anne Boleyne?

She would have dusted off this little number and worn it to the coronation.

The Great Whore A̶n̶n̶e̶ ̶B̶o̶l̶e̶y̶n̶ Camilla Parker-Bowles

R93 Lol Catherine being accepting of affairs. We know where that rumor came from and you are so gullible to continue to believe it.

Why should she? If she lived long enough to see her son as King, yes.

R114 love that revenge dress! Worn beautifully on the night Charles sat down with David Dimbleby to confess he'd been unfaithful with Camilla, Diana was the one on the cover of every paper the next day looking a million pounds sterling

r112: That's pretty fabulous. I gotta hand it to the ol' broad.

She won.

R116, The gossip about Rose sounds credible. Why do you find it not?

William had a dalliance with Rose when Kate was pregnant with Louis. But it was quickly ended. The problem now is that Rose is kind of nuts. She imitates Katherine's dress style and her look and she's "mentally fragile." Which is why William went running back to Kate, confessed, and they patched things up.

He ain’t all that luv!

Wills' meat an' veg ain't a full meal, if you get my meanin'.

[quote]How on earth did she “win” against Camilla?

She became iconic.

Camilla's ex husband attended the coronation so I'd say Diana would have been invited too . Especially since Charles and Diana were reportedly on much better terms post divorce and were actually getting along .

R121, Well, aren't you just the insider, then, to know all about endings and confessions and patches and intimate conversations between the Waleses!

R2, Stop. Just stop. No UK monarch will ever abdicate FOR ONE BLOODY SECOND post-1937!

R127 I agree with you, but I suspect William might change things up. The original 1937 abdication drama players are long dead. William seems to see his role in a healthier, business-type light, and not so much of an all-consuming commitment to crown before himself and his children. Spain, Netherlands, and I think Belgium have all begun retiring monarchs around normal retirement age.

I miss her. Hope she is resting in peace

She'd have transitioned in 2016.

Not a good look at the coronation in the seat next to Harry, who would be on a leash playing with a coloring book.

I have a feeling she would've moved to L.A. or Australia. Maybe France.

R131 thanks Mystic Meg! How about Switzerland, Italy and Namibia too?