I'm Queen!!!!!

We must accept God’s Will.

Can you imagine if Camilla and Charles could reproduce?😱

If Charles dies tomorrow, what title does Camilla get?

Queen Consort Mother?

VIVAT REGINA CAMILLA!

A side bitch who got it all in the end, props to this fantastic cunt.

[quote] If Charles dies tomorrow, what title does Camilla get?

Is it Dowager Queen?

Camilla Rottweiler.

I’M QUEEN MUM I”M QUEEN!!!!

Diana & Charles would be married 42 years if they'd stayed together!

If Charles dies, she’ll become Used Tampon.

Wouldn't it be funny if Charles died tomorrow?

How'd that "Queen of People's Hearts" thing work out, eh?

Today Diana would be Queen!

I think Cam had no interest in being Royal, she just happens to love Charles, probably not as much as he loves her though. That being said she's done a faultless job for almost 20 years, at an age when most people are retired for at least a decade she'll have even more "work" than ever.

Camilla is just so hideous

[quote]We must accept God’s Will.

No we fucking mustn't.

The whole world is letting out a Diana Scream right now

That face is the 20 miles of bad road Di drove on the night she died.

Is it over finally? How long will this placate the klannies?

I've created a set of commemorative in-and-out reincarnating tampons for this very special day for the UK and the rest of the world.

Do you think Camilla can receive them if I write to: HRH Queen Camilla, Buckingham Palace, London, UK

No, R20, because she’s HM not HRH.

[quote]If Charles dies tomorrow, what title does Camilla get?

Cuntessa di tutte cuntesse

Why do people persist in this tampon nonsense? Charles told her he wanted to live inside her trousers but knowing his (bad) luck he'd end up as a Tampax instead

I have nothing against Camilla, but I wish she'd find a new hair style.

The future king discussing tampons in any context with his mistress is sleazy.

How long is it predicted that bearded hag will reign?

[quote]VIVAT REGINA CAMILLA!

Why? She's homely and underwhelming in every way.

[quote] The future king discussing tampons in any context with his mistress is sleazy.

Seriously? Really?

Charles and Camilla and/or the unhoused guy and his partner living in the subway station, have a reasonable expectation of privacy when they're engaged in private, two-party telephone conversation.

The sleazy act is recording that conversation in the first place, whether intentional or accidental, and then selling it.

R6 Yeah, technically a Dowager Queen, but she'd probably still just be called Queen Camilla, like Mary of Teck was called Queen Mary after her husband (George V) died.

Cuntmilla the reptile.

The tampon thing was let loose eons ago, and there ain’t no way anyone is getting that cat back in that bag!

WORST QUEEN EVER

Has Morrissey shot his mouth off yet?

The evil bitch played the long game and won. If she wasn't such a cooze, I'd respect her hustle.

Brexit, Boris, now this. Ugh.

She looks like an old leather handbag that’s wearing Rizzo’s Sandra Dee wig.

Hail! Queen of the Side-Pieces 🇬🇧 🇬🇧

Based on the naming protocols established by Charles, I suppose William could call her whatever he wants, or nothing at all,

From side piece to Queen.

[quote] If Charles dies tomorrow, what title does Camilla get?

You only get to be the Queen Mother if you are the mother of a sitting monarch. If Charles died tomorrow, Camilla could not be Queen Mother because she is not William's mother. She would be HM the Dowager Queen Camilla, but the press would continue to refer to her as "Queen Camilla" (as to distinguish her from Kate, who would be The Queen, or Queen Catherine).

Damn, r41! Don't die, Charles!

A lot of gay men in the UK still remember the impact Diana had when she shook the hand of a man with AIDS. It transformed public understanding of how the virus was transmitted, and for that she was greatly respected and loved. She would have been a fantastic Queen. Camilla just doesn’t inspire those feelings.

[quote]WORST QUEEN EVER

I'm pretty sure Mary Tudor takes that title.

Mary Tudor was a real queen. Camilla is a slut with a title.

Cunt

R45 You do understand how the monarchy works, yes? Crowns aren't awarded based upon character or likability.

R47, not that I really care all that much, but I meant that Mary Tudor was a blood Queen not one by marriage. There is no difference between Camilla and Melanie Trump. Both sluts with titles.

R47 Obviously!

No, R32, that's you.

When Charles die, she'll be Kween Camilla!

Who's idea is it that white dry hair and white pale skin is a good look for her ? The only thing that has any color (tannish yellow) are her teeth.

Before hair and makeup.

[quote] Why? She's homely and underwhelming in every way.

Because her existence as our undoubted Queen pisses off D/L’s homely and underwhelming church-lady contingent so very much.

I don't know if Camilla was playing the long game, but almost feel trapped into it.

Wasn't it in Tina Brown's book on Diana that posited that Camilla would have been content to stay Charles's mistress? However, once Charles was determined to marry her, she made the most of it and stepped up to do her duty as his consort and member of the royal family.

She's not flashy, like Diana, but it appears she's been a stabilizing force for Charles, who clearly loves her more than she loves him.

Personally, I like that she's low-key.

[quote] Mary Tudor was a real queen. Camilla is a slut with a title.

Mary Tudor was a religious fanatic who had 300 Englishmen burned at the stake in pursuit of her policy of subjugating England to The Pope. She placed a Spanish prince on the throne, got England involved in a disastrous war and lost the last of England’s territorial possessions on the European mainland.

R55 So low key she made sure her children from another marriage and grandchildren were in the front row, that her grandson and two sons of her former husband carried her robes. Yeah, she hated it up it there, clearly.

If Charles predeceases Camilla I think she ahould be called Queen Emerita, like the retire Pope.

[quote] So low key she made sure her children from another marriage and grandchildren were in the front row, that her grandson and two sons of her former husband carried her robes.

She was being crowned Queen, after decades of being abused as ugly and as the most hated woman in the kingdom (and abroad), so it was unlikely that her own children (and others who sustained her through the years) were ever going to languish in the cheap seats.

R55 totally agree. Camilla would probably have been very content as his companion, living in the country with her horses, gin and the occasional shag with Charles. I could never believe she was interested in being Royal and having all that scrutiny & attention. Plus now she's got to work for the rest of his life in the public eye and the woman's almost 80!

Queen Camilla, INDEED 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

Camilla couldn't wait for the coronation to be over. She was in desperate need of a gin & tonic and a cig.

[quote] Mary Tudor was a religious fanatic who had 300 Englishmen burned at the stake in pursuit of her policy of subjugating England to The Pope.

Meh, the customs of the time. Elizabeth burned a few jesuits in her day, and Daddy Henry was probably the bloodiest minded of them all. Bitch couldn't wait to execute queens, nobles, priests, monks, advisors, fucker went on and on with his moods and traumas.

I suspect Camilla's death toll will be rather modest.

And somehow her sister and best friend are on the balcony. Yes, she is just a sweet woman happened to fall in love with a prince, not a drunk, smoking, leather handbag who spends her time gossiping and successfully social climbing. But she is your queen, not mine. Congratulations?

They are the least photogenic royal couple I’ve ever seen.

Brown teeth, ugh. Nasty af bitch

She seemed barely conscious for most the coronation—I was guessing she’s been given diazepam or something. She only seemed to wake up when she was given the crown and kept fiddling with it as it must have messed up her hairdo.

And One for Mahler!

R67 she always looks tardfucked.

[quote]She's not flashy, like Diana,

She knows her place, the background.

Linda Evans is the only person who can carry off that hair.

This whole affair feels like something out of “Dark Crystal”.

With a face like that, she SHOULD be in the background.

r67 Apparently she fell and hurt her back in the past week.

I'm calling it now.

KC will outlive Camilla.

She always reminded me of British actress Julia Deakin, who would be perfect to play her (and probably already has).

VIVAT!

VIVAT!

VAGINA! ...er, I mean... REGINA!

That is one fugly Queen.

[quote]Mary Tudor was a religious fanatic who had 300 Englishmen burned at the stake in pursuit of her policy of subjugating England to The Pope.

Thanks for the history lesson that no one asked for. Everyone knows who Bloody Mary was. Someone was trying to compare Mary and Camilla. They are two different types of queens. Now, if we're comparing them just as people, the edge still goes to Mary. Camilla is loathsome.

Does Camillas's son get a title?

No, R79, royal titles are passed through bloodlines or marriage. They could in theory lobby for a title vis a vis Charles, but they do not seem to have any interest in that.

"The i newspaper spoke with Professor Judith Rowbotham, visiting research professor at the University of Plymouth who is an expert on royal affairs, who said: “They have deliberately chosen to continue living as private citizens.

“Despite being stepbrother and stepsister to Charles’s two sons, during the 17 years of their mother’s marriage, they have rarely appeared or wanted to appear in the public domain. Laura Lopes in particular, has chosen to keep a very low profile and seems to show no desire to be part of the wider monarchical institution.”

Thanks for the info. , 80!

R80* ^

Camilla looks better now than she did in her 40s as a result of professional glamming up.

Gramming up, r83?

[quote]Camilla is a slut with a title.

Jealous bitches?

She and Dr. Jill Biden with that unkempt look. Camilla should have tried harder - what with the crown on her head and now the mothafucking QUEEN of England. Dumb cow with a rats nest clomping around Buckingham Palace. No M'am.

- Team Di

Let's be fair here:

Is she old? Yes!

Is she ugly? Yes!

Is she a slut? Yes!

Ok.

[quote]- Team Di

- Team Dead

Is she retarded?

Is he?

Gurl doesn’t know how to wear a crown.

[quote] Gurl doesn’t know how to wear a crown.

She may not know how to wear it, but Her Majesty knew how to acquire it.

VIVAT REGINA CAMILLA!!

Camilla would be more similar to Anne Boleyn

The rabid hatred for Camilla is just insane. She's basically harmless (as harmless as British aristocratic Lizard People go), and far less of a toad than her husband. She likes to smoke, drink, muck around with horses, and fuck her toad. She keeps to herself and stays in her lane. She's not cruel, narcissistic, or dangerously stupid. She doesn't seem overly vain or arrogant. She doesn't get herself mired in scandal or do anything to further embarrass the royal family. She's FINE.

So what if someone's a slut?

I've been here for over 20 years and if there is one segment of the DL, besides the right-wing bigot Trumpers, that I wish would STFU, it's the Puritan Central, finger-wagging slut-shamers.

And what r93 said, too.

Ugh. Why do you all keep bringing up that whiny bitch, Diana? She's DEAD.

Long live Queen Camilla. She's a survivor.

[quote] I'm pretty sure Mary Tudor takes that title.

At least Mary Tudor had a delicious cocktail named after her, enjoyed by gaggles of brunching gays to this very day! That's what you call a legacy!

Amen, R94!

Jill Biden lookalike!

I would love to have assistants to help in my work life and also trim my cunt hairs. Alas, this doesn't seem likely to happen.

Will Cunard name a ship after her? They did for the previous 2 consorts Mary and Elizabeth. If so will it be 100% smoking section? A bar called the Rottweiler Room?

Go, Camilla! You horny horse!

Goodbye, England's slut...

[quote]Gurl doesn’t know how to wear a crown.

Doesn't matter. Charles said, "As long as knows how to wear a tampon, that's all I care about..."

[quote] Plus now she's got to work for the rest of his life in the public eye and the woman's almost 80!

R60, Queen Elizabeth, who worked until she died at the age of 96, has only one word for you: "And...?"

r103 Oh I think Camilla will outlive Elton! Lots of health rumours about him...

Was SJP invited, did they eat grass together?

[quote][R103] Oh I think Camilla will outlive Elton! Lots of health rumours about him...

Well, it's not like he was going to re write the song for her anyway.

I think she's tremendous!

15 years ago, Donna Summer wrote and recorded this song just for Camilla, knowing one day she would be Queen.

Tampax Britannia

She sho’ is ugleee!

You can’t justify her continuing to sleep with Charles after he was married.

Yes, I am cutting off my breathing from tightly clutching my pearls.

ABC's royal commentator (Irish no less) was going on about how loathed Camilla was a few years back, and you could hear the producer smack her upside the head as she abruptly changes subject - "let's move on to the carriage which has suspension AND air conditioning!"

bwa ha ha.

Vivat Regina Sidepiece!

She’s still loathed by many.

Save your poor neck, R112. Charles and Diana's marriage was loveless, toxic, and dead on arrival—with or without Camilla. They had absolutely nothing in common, no chemistry, and little understanding or even respect for one another. If the Queen had allowed Charles to marry Camilla, whom he was already madly in love with, instead of forcing him to marry a Spencer, Diana would still be alive.

And there isn't a single married royal or aristocrat, dead or alive, that hasn't quietly taken a side-piece or ten. It's just how it's done, as Philip often said.

I read this as "I'm Queer!!!!!

[quote] [R6] Yeah, technically a Dowager Queen, but she'd probably still just be called Queen Camilla, like Mary of Teck was called Queen Mary after her husband (George V) died.

Similarly, Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz and Adelaide of Saxe-Meiningen were referred to as "Queen Charlotte" and "Queen Adelaide" after their husbands died and other queens came to the thrones (respectively, Caroline of Brunswick and Victoria).

Camilla overcame much of my antipathy for her after I watched a YouTube clip of her smiling and winking at press after she and Charles had tea with the trumps. Worth a look!

I don't know why people call Camilla a slut. She was with her first husband and then Charles. Meanwhile Diana was the town pump from 1984 until her untimely death.

The entire mess today was religious bullshit.

Aside from that pathetic mess. Camilla should be ashamed for continuing in a relationship with a married man, and participating in the downfall of two marriages. Charles should also be ashamed for agreeing to marry someone he had no feelings for, and then continuing the relationship he started with an already married woman with children no less, thus ruining Diana's life, messing with their own children's heads, and becoming a major embarrassment. It's all disgusting. Charles and Camilla should die in a grease fire. I detest both of them.

I like Camilla. Diana was lovely, but she should've never married Charles. He didn't love her, he was in love with Camilla.

Their families kept them apart. Her father fucking posted her engagement announcement in the newspaper before her husband even proposed!

She should've been his first and only wife.

And for all the Markle haters, if he had married Camilla, there'd be no Harry and thus no Meghan.

So look at all the missed opportunities!

But I will confess, that bloodline needed Di and Kate to infuse some beauty into it. They were heading off a steep, ugly cliff.

[quote]But I will confess, that bloodline needed Di and Kate to infuse some beauty into it. They were heading off a steep, ugly cliff.

They are fortunate that attractive women will readily marry ugly for some money and a tiara.

William is not ugly.

[quote]William is not ugly.

Good for him.

People seem to forget what a beauty William was in his youth when Kate set her sights on him.

Amazing what a full head of hair can do.

[quote]Amazing what a full head of hair can do.

I think men who let themselves go bald don't realize that it's the most important thing to take care of as far as appearance.

She looked so fucking ridiculous at the coronation. Even though Camilla is an aristocrat through and through, she looked so common and honestly, trashy. There’s nothing regal about her.

All credit to you. You hung in there like the most determined dingleberry ever.

R119 Low bar.

Imagine, these two old farts are still both younger than Trump and Biden.

It's going to be an interesting ride. Seeing those two at the Coronation yesterday, they looked so old and exhausted. And the people around Charles, the working Royals, Except for Edward and William, the Kents the Gloucesters and Charles and Camilla are in their 70's and 80's. We'll be seeing many funerals.

What a cow! Who could've imagined that this scheming, caustic, home-wrecking divorced slut would ever be Queen. Congrats, Brits. Your new queen is a whore!

R135 she’s not a whore, but this is the natural outcome of it that was over 50 years in the making since they met. From what I’ve seen and heard, she’s not any worse than any members of the royal family. I don’t like or dislike Camilla. She just there and life goes on. It’s not like it’s going to be a 70 year rule. Even if Charles lives to be as old as his parents we are talking two decades ish anyway.

Let's pretend it actually means something!

[queen] I suspect Camilla's death toll will be rather modest.

Being "modest" was the one thing I was never accused of in life.

[quote]William is not ugly.

Because his mom was beautiful. And Harry may be dumb, but he's very handsome. And if he was the heir, the Royal Family would pretty up real fast because love her or hate her, Meghan is very pretty.

[quote] I suspect Camilla's death toll will be rather modest.

Being "modest" was the one thing I was never accused of in life.

r135 we know! This tobacco, gin swilling slag lends such an eloquent summation of all things Windsor.

Queen Consort OP!!

How Ironic after the scrupulously correct Elizabeth we have a gin swilling, cigarette smoking divorcee' who has slouchy shoulders and wild hair and terrible teef. It's as if the Royal Family is a parody of itself. Broad satire.

Very pretty? Are you talking about Meg's original face or the one she paid for?

[quote]Camilla should be ashamed for continuing in a relationship with a married man, and participating in the downfall of two marriages.

We've certainly turned a corner in the 21st Century.

Camilla told young women across the UK that you can be a mistress, destroy two marriages and still become Queen. What a role model.

Melania proved to young women across America you can be a porn model posing for pictures with fingers up your twat, and a high-end call girl, and become First Lady. Again, what a role model.

I don't need to remind everyone the messages Charles and Trump have sent to young men in their respective countries.

SLUT!

[quote] Camilla told young women across the UK that you can be a mistress, destroy two marriages and still become Queen. What a role model.

We know our modern ways must seem incomprehensible to you posting from the 1950s, Mrs. Eisenhower.

R147 The sanctity of marriage never goes 'out of style'.

R145 take the candlestick out of your big sweaty arse and calm down. I hardly think Charles & Camilla are role models to many of our youth you puritanical old prisspot!

[quote] How Ironic after the scrupulously correct Elizabeth we have a gin swilling, cigarette smoking divorcee' who has slouchy shoulders and wild hair and terrible teef. It's as if the Royal Family is a parody of itself. Broad satire.

As opposed to the prim and proper Elizabeth the Queen Mother or Princess Margaret?

r134 The Gloucesters look healthier than Charles and Camilla and may well outlive them.

r148 Camillas husband cheated on hwr for years. He was a notorious philander. He never divorced her because of the affair with Charles. It was more his adultery that caused the divorce but they still get on as he was invited and attended the Coronation! So no Camilla didn't destroy two marriages. Diana was rather hypocritical with her three in thus marriage comment given she cheated with a number of married men .

[quote] It was more his adultery that caused the divorce but they still get on as he was invited and attended the Coronation!

I'll stand corrected if I'm wrong, but I think Parker Bowles was invited to, and attended, Charles and Camilla's wedding luncheon, too.

I would have thought that people who have been bullied ( like 99% of us here) would be a tiny bit more open to a woman who was slandered by diana's lies . Camilla was an fresh faced attractive , witty, woman in her younger years. Lets see pic of you all, now that is a scary visual.

King Camilla!

It looka like a man!

I think Camilla is a Datalounger!

Hello, sir!

[quote]Camilla would be more similar to Anne Boleyn

Headless

[quote]the Royal Family would pretty up real fast because love her or hate her, Meghan is very pretty.

She wasn't pre-surgery.

R149 Your ignorance knows no bounds.

Many Brits interviewed at the ceremony this weekend said one of the purposes of the monarchy was to be role models to younger generations, and respected by them - just as the Queen and Prince Philip were role models to past generations.

Spread your legs wide, lasses - there's a married man out there who can make you Queen !

[quote]Camilla told young women across the UK that you can be a mistress, destroy two marriages and still become Queen.

Charles destroyed his own marriage. It was on shaky ground from the start. He married a girl barely out of her teens whom he did not love and with whom he had nothing in common. He gave up on the relationship completely after he did his royal duty to impregnate her with an heir and a spare.

I liked Diana but she was no great beauty. By her own admission she thought her nose was too big and her lips were too small. She was however, photogenic. Like Jackie On Assistance.

And they both had IMMENSE FEETS.

All hail Queen Sidepiece!

I predict Charles will die soon. He looks like a massive heart attack just waiting to happen. I give him a year or so at most.

I think Charles' longevity genes will triumph over your opinion of his looks, R163.

Take a look at Charles’s sausage fingers!

R162 She looks like some matron frau on that old show Queen for a Day. Now she is queen for life. I'm fine with her being an ugly old whore with bad teeth. She can't do much about those things without at least the discomfort of dental work. But there is no excuse in this world that she showed up to the coronation with that that thistle and brush on top of her head. Absurd she couldn't bother to style it. She's not at one of her dykey horse events.

-The Ghost of the Queen Mum still pickled from a lifetime of day drinking gin.

Her Ladies in Waiting have similar hairstyles. It's a Cult of Camilla!

[quote]Charles destroyed his own marriage. It was on shaky ground from the start.

He didn't have an extramarital affair with himself to destroy his marriage. It takes two people - Camilla was the other one.

[quote] Her Ladies in Waiting have similar hairstyles. It's a Cult of Camilla!

Krystle Carrington called - she wants her 1980s hairstyles back.

When she was much younger, someone told Camilla she resembled Farrah Fawcett, and she never got over it.

Her 2 ladies were her sister and her best friend.

[quote]Ugh. Why do you all keep bringing up that whiny bitch, Diana? She's DEAD. Long live Queen Camilla. She's a survivor.

How do we know Camilla didn't kill Diana? How do we know she didn't cut the brakes? I wouldn't put it past her.

So many Church Ladies and misogynists on this thread, clutching pearls and hurling insults at Camilla for having an affair with one married man, who she has loved her entire adult life, while venerating the sainted memory of Diana who happily bedded Will Carling and Oliver Hoare (amongst others) without sparing an iota of her compassion on their wives and children.

Pretty Privilege really does wonders for a reputation, doesn’t it?

We don't know how many flings Camilla has had since she was a young adult --- probably a lot more than you think, R172.

[quote] We don't know how many flings Camilla has had since she was a young adult --- probably a lot more than you think, [R172].

No, we don’t know, so why assume the worst about someone?

I've never had any animosity over Camilla, I'd love to sit and have some drinks with her. She seems like she'd be fun with a bawdy sense of humor.

She and Charles should've been allowed to marry in the 70s but unfortunately the archaic rules about the heir to the throne marrying a virgin with a saintly reputation were still in place. Charles had to marry Diana, who was too young and immature for him and they had nothing in common. It was doomed from the start. They both got bored and exasperated with each other early on and sought companionship elsewhere. It was nobody's fault, the whole marriage was totally untenable.

R174, if Camilla was willing to cheat on her husband with another married man (Charlie), why not assume the worst? Your attempts to make her out to be a saint are entertaining, though.

The tragedy for Charles and Diana was that they never really knew each other until they were already married. Diana’s childhood had left her feeling abandoned by her mother and craving affection from her difficult, patrician father. As a result, she was great at concealing her own likes and interests and making men feel drawn to her, but underneath she was a needy mess. Charles thought he was getting a young, easygoing beautiful bride who shared his interests in opera and the outdoors, whereas he was actually marrying a woman who was his opposite in every respect and who required a level of emotional commitment and mature understanding that his upbringing left him entire unable to provide.

Diana thought she was getting a fairytale, romantic prince, when in fact she was getting an anxious insecure man who was buckling under familial and societal pressure for him to get married to someone deemed appropriate. I would have thought his predicament would be familiar to at least a few of the eldergays on this website!

My problem with her is that she was involved with a married man with children, and then after those children lost their mother and she married into the family she was still an asshole to them. To the point that she sold them out regularly to the media to boost her own popularity. She has no shame. It makes her ugly on the inside and outside and yet we have to see her plastered on the TV getting a big ass crown on her head.

I don't like Camilla and thank she is the source of many of the issues in that family, but ultimately I don't give a fuck. He loved her, he got her, and now they're together end of story. What I find fascinating is the way she turned her image around. It's been reported that Charles spent a small fortune to do it, but I never thought Dataloungers would buy into it. But I guess they have - given some of Cammie's defenders. "Oh she's just an old horsey woman living in the country and riding horses and smoking her methols and doesn't care about any of this." Bullshit.

I think context is everything. I'm not condoning adultery. But in their set, it was common and accepted. A wealthy aristocratic group of socialites who partied together and played musical beds. And it wasn't unique. It was like that for generations. Back in the 20's and 30's and 40's and 50's as well. And when Margaret started hanging out with Anthony Armstrong Jones and his set. Margaret's friends were pretty wild bunch. Combine them with Jones's and it was combustible. Diana's mother ran off with another man. For years Diana thought she abandoned her family until the truth of her own father's violent, abusive behavior came out. The upper classes, high society was rotten to the core when it came to fidelity to one's spouse, or an intact family life. Being faithful to one true love was for fairytales.

The other thing is that people often talk about Diana thinking Charles, her crush, her Prince Charming would sweep her off her feet and she'd live in a castle and be a princess. But I rarely ever read about how Charles must have felt about her. I think he found her delightful and fun when he met her while dating her sister. But once she became old enough to consider, he probably made a lot of assumptions about her.On one had, she was sort of innocent and he thought she would be compliant. He also f elt that because she came from the aristocratic upper class she would "get" what it meant to be part of the RF. They were at cross purposes from the start. It was ill fated from the start without any help from Camilla.

I watched the coronation. It was fabulous. I love the pomp, pageantry and ceremony. But still, I am team Diana forever.

Charles and Camilla abused Diana from the early days and through her marriage. Charles and Camilla may be somewhat likable now that they are seniors in their '70s, but 30-40 years ago they were abusive, destructive and mean people to Diana, her sons and to the monarchy in general. Just in case you were wondering where Harry gets his vindictive, arrogant personality--look no further than his father, Charles.

R169 And she believed them ? She actually believed her horse face looked like Farrah Fawcett's beautiful face ?

It wasn't just that Camilla wasn't a virgin, she was considered to be a "party girl" who slept around. A lot. Whether it was true, or an exaggeration, it didn't matter. There was not way that QE was going to allow her to give birth to the future heirs to the throne.

r178 Harry provided no evidence Camilla sold him out to the media

Estimated cost of the coronation: 100 million pounds

Abolish the monarchy now. Cammie can become a waitress.

[quote] I predict Charles will die soon. He looks like a massive heart attack just waiting to happen. I give him a year or so at most.

Doesn't matter. I'll still be HM Queen Camilla until the end of my days. William dare not break centuries and centuries of precedent by removing my title and styling, even if he wanted to do so.

p.s.--If you somehow don't think Charles isn't heavily providing for me in his will, [bold]guess again.[/bold]

Has QC considered corn-rows? She’s more a Bo Derek than Linda Evans for the Inbred Set.

Don't be silly, R187. She'd be dragged through the mud for cultural appropriation.

One of the things I will always say for Camilla: I've never heard that she's a hater and has been out to get anyone.

In that way she's like Charles's own mother, who only very rarely took a direct dislike to anyone.

Queen of Farts

R189, she left objects of hers in Charles and Diana’s bed to let Diana know that they were fucking in it. Give me a break. The woman is pure trash.

R191, what is the source of that info? I don't doubt that Charles and Camilla probably grew lazy over the years about covering up their affair but unfortunately Diana was not always a reliable reporter.

Can you imagine waking up to that face? And, yes, the same can be said about Charles.

Maybe they have separate beds, R193.

They really should, r194!

R172 You sound like a sanctimonious racist.

R191 bollocks. They never had sex in the marital bed

Yes they did, r197. Diana stated it herself. Camilla is a cult cunt.

Yes they did, R197. Diana stated it herself. Camilla is a vile cunt.

William should be king and Kate should be Queen right now. Her married a divorced woman. He should have been forced to automatically give up the throne upon his mother’s death. But he’s just too damn childish, not to mention stupid, to read the room.

Camilla is about as classy as the Trumps.

R199 that story has been widely disproven. It was actually Diana's maid Gladys who was in her bed, having a "wank", as the Brits say. Diana thought it must have been Camilla after she found an aroma of crabpaste and an XL girdle but Gladie confessed after the story broke.

R183, I think her reputation was formed by association with the set she and Charles hung out with. They were young, wealthy, wild people. Very similar, in their way, to the kind of people Princess Margaret used to socialize and party with. I think there was a feeling the Queen mother had and Phillip and others in that closed circle, that there were people you partied with and had fun with, but these were not the sort you planned your life with.

Going back another generation, the Duke of Windsor partied hard and was a licentious, hedonistic pig as a young man, and of course because he was a man they let him have his "space" but they all assumed he'd settle down and do the right thing as he matured and faced his responsibilities. He didn't. According to Tommy Lascelles, who hated him, He always had to have that one woman he was in "love with" who was usually married, or otherwise unacceptable, even before Freda Dudley Ward, but in addition, he was always seducing the married women he encountered on his travels. Lascelles was his secretary when he was Prince of Wales and actually quit and resigned he was so disgusted by then Prince of Wales behavior.

As I look back on Charles III life as a much younger man, the social set he and Camilla partied with were pretty tame compared to previous generations, but still made Camilla unacceptable from his Granny, and his father's point of view. It is possible that the shadow of Edward the VIII loomed over them and colored Granny's opinions and worries about Charles. But they need not have because Charles, while he may have developed a distorted perspective in his social life, was a much more serious young man than his Great Uncle David, and understood and accepted his future life as king, as David never did. .The other thing to consider is that Camilla herself was not ready to consider a Royal Life, back then. She was fine with them having their affair, with no pressure or expectation of marriage. At least at first. The restrictions and expectations of such a life as was required by being in the Royal Family, were a huge turn off for her. And even now, she will take a break and go to her own estate and chill out for a few days. Charles is a lot even without the Royal King stuff.

Everytime I pass this dumb thread I read it as "I'm Queer!!!".

Now somebody needs to design a tiara for her.

Stitched to a paper bag.

She's no longer the Duchess of Cornholes?

I can tell you what she'll be if Charles dies. If William has anything to do with it she'll be OUT ON HER ASS!

R207, not really. She will probably do a few appearances every month or so, but mostly she will retire to her estate much of the time, and everyone will be fine with it. Less seen the better.

She should get a new face!

Can't Kate give her the contact to the doctor who does her Botox?

To be fair, Kate was looking tired at the coronation. Gorgeous, but tired. That tells me she’s laying off the fillers/Botox these days.

Too bad her mother isn’t following her lead. Carole Middleton looked like The Joker.

Not that I particularly care but if Charles passes first, does William become King and they downgrade Camilla to Queen Mother? Queen Consort? Queen Bitch?

She will be referred to as The Old Grey Mare when Charles is deceased.

[quote]She will be referred to as The Old Grey Mare when Charles is deceased.

That works as well.

In all seriousness, Camilla will become a dowager queen, although she would likely retain the title Her Majesty Queen Camilla instead of “Dowager Queen Camilla.”

Unfortunately for Camilla, if she outlives Charles she will become one of the few living queens whose child didn’t become monarch. Therefore, she will be completely dependent on Williams’ generosity regarding her title.

According to seemingly credible accounts I've read (Tina Brown, Vanity Fair) William has been on good terms with Camilla for a very long time.

I know, I know. I enjoy reading about rifts and trouble more than boring good terms, but still, I believe those accounts and that he accepted Camilla a long time ago.

Also, maybe Charles is like many other parents, mine included. They wouldn't have stood for their children dictating to them who their companions will, or, will not, be.

I'm not saying you don't keep a careful eye out for abuse, but in the absence of financial, physical, mental or emotional abuse, when you boil it down, it's not the business of a child to butt-in on another person's relationship.

Wearing every royal jewel on earth won't help Queen Cam look an iota better. Wuff!

It would be unprecedented for a new sovereign to take away the title of queen from a widowed queen. William would become unpopular if he did that to an old woman, especially given that he has pretended for years to get along with her (if he took it away, he would be revealed as a terrible hypocrite--in real world terms, not in DL terms).

It is exceptionally unlikely he would ever take away her title. That would only happen on a show like "The Royals."

Queen Stepmother.

R215 She will outlast Charles, because she is pickled from all the hard alcohol she has drank since the moment she was born. You can tell by her face, she's been ridden hard and hung wet.

Nothing would be gained by stripping Camilla of her title. I’m particularly interested in whether or not the Middletons would receive titles when their daughter becomes queen.

The official answer is that she will become Queen Mother if Charles predeceases her.

Wrong, R222! Camilla is not William’s mother, and that title was used by QE2’s mother because for a short time there were 3 living queens (her daughter and mother-I’m-law).

I'm still fond of "Queen Sidepiece", but not sure if the Palace would go for it.

"HRH Queen Sidepiece Camilla" does have a nice ring though.

I think she is tolerant of the gays but doesn’t hang out with them. She doesn’t have “her gays”.

Yeah, the gays are so cruel about her looks and her fashion sense. Who needs that?

She's one smart woman. Waited patiently to get her man, and now she's [italic] The One Who Wears The Crown.

She'll be forever known as that mistress who became queen.

He could have married Camilla if he had wanted to when he was young. When he went into the military she married Parker-Bowels. The Palace wasn't stopping him he just didn't want to get married at the time. He put off marriage as long as possible until the BRF forced him to make a decision. He didn't really want to marry Diana either.

"Dowager" for widowed queens and peeresses went out with weeds and long veils deeply trimmed with crape.

Relict of KC3 should Queen Camilla outlive her husband will likely be known as just that. It's hardly likely people are going to confuse two living queens (Camilla and Katherine).

Considering how Camilla got shot of "consort" can't see her reverting to something equally ancient as "dowager".

You all exaggerate Camilla's looks. She really isn't that bad looking for a 75-year-old. She was never pretty but apparently has a great personality and was much better for Charles than Diana ever was. Diana would have been better off marrying a rich upper-class man and out of the limelight. She was too insecure to be that famous.

Heart like a truck!

"Therefore, she will be completely dependent on Williams’ generosity regarding her title."

Camilla is an anointed queen, title is hers for life, period. There is nothing a "king" William could do that would reverse things.

Anne Boleyn was divorced and stripped of her royal rank and queen status before being put to death.

Catherine of Aragon had her marriage annulled (or divorced) and thus Henry VIII reverted her styles and rank back to widow of his late brother. Neither of above would apply to CPB.

Queens of England/Great Britain keep their titles for rest of their lives even if widows.

Finally! We finally get some representation as one of own is crowned!

Rather oddly, Anne of Cleves was known as the King's Beloved Sister after her divorce. Not sure how that made much sense, but of course, Anne was too smart to argue about those particular semantics. And hey, free palace and you get to keep your head!

R71, don't you mean "The Dark Krystal?"

R63 as long as it includes her stylist, I'm good.

R235

That bit of fiction came as a solution for what to do with Anne of Cleves rank and status wise.

Henry VIII didn't want Anne of Cleves going back to Germany and or otherwise "to play the woman" and tell all sorts of stories about how she was treated by the king. This included his failure to consummate their marriage. Henry VIII could slag off Anne of Cleves all he wanted and his ministers along with doctors could equally claim the king was still "Jack the Lad". But reading between lines of what came later with Catherine Howard the king was impotent. Jane Boleyn, Viscountess Rochford spells this out in damning letters that sent herself to the Tower along with Queen Catherine.

Anne of Cleves herself was in no mood to return in disgrace to Germany. No one would believe the great King Henry VIII hadn't used her as a wife and thus finding another husband would prove difficult.

Because Anne of Cleves marriage to Henry VIII was annulled, along with fact the former gladly went along the king was quite generous. By making his ex-wife now is "sister" Anne of Cleves was given status above all ladies at court behind princesses Mary and Elizabeth. Upon this was piled on lots of wealth and other bits that were more due a daughter of an English king than a disgraced wife.

Au contraire R136! R135 is correct, she (Camilla) certainly IS a whore. While married herself, she continued to fuck a newly married man, and did for many years. THAT my dear, IS a WHORE. It is doubly hideous when you factor in that they both had children. Dirty, dirty whores, both of them!

Whores get paid. Charles doesn't pay for anything. He asked his friends to pay for Camilla's country house.

If Camilla outlives Charles she will retire to her country house and never be seen again in a royal capacity. By her own choice, I'm sure.

The Duchess of Windsor would have broken this twat in half and forgotten she did so before the pieces landed on the floor behind her.

Prostitutes get paid R240. Whores just whore around and fuck for free. Get your info straight.

Fave boxing match: The Thrilla Camilla!

Fave lisp sync band: Milli Camillie!

Fave little cookies: Camilla Wafers!

Fave white 90's rapper: Camilla Ice!

"Therefore, she will be completely dependent on Williams’ generosity regarding her title."

Another thing some of you Americans need to get through your thick skulls; this isn't 1500's or 1400's any longer. A monarch cannot strip anyone of their property including rank and titles without going through Parliament.

As with Queen Catherine and others it would take a Bill of Attainder read and passed in Parliament then given royal assent to strip persons of property, titles and so on. Henry VIII got his way with Queen Catherine, but find it difficult to imagine any circumstance where Queen Camilla would be hauled into Parliament to answer a Bill of Attainder.

Beastly as Prince Harry has behaved things would also have to go that way for HRH to be formally stripped of his royal and noble titles. That's just not ever going to happen, Ditto for Prince Andrew, the Duke of York.

As with in 1917 when King George V passed the Titles Deprivation Act so he could remove British titles of several German and Austrian royals during the First World War, things would still have to go through Parliament. British monarchs simply do not have power on their own to strip royal nor noble personages of their styles and or titles.

When it comes to women who marry into BRF and thus gain royal status there a monarch does have some leeway. This since the style of HRH devolved upon such women as consequence of their marriage, as with everything else the titles and styles belonged to their husbands with wives granted customary use.

This is why Elizabeth II was able to remove royal status from both Diana, Princess of Wales and Sarah, Duchess of York along with any subsequent divorcees of royal princes via letters patent.

King William will get it done with Parliament to fix the situations with both Camilla and Harry. It will definitely happen.

Like Diana, Camilla has always been fond of the gays.

[quote] Seriously? Really? Charles and Camilla and/or the unhoused guy and his partner living in the subway station, have a reasonable expectation of privacy when they're engaged in private, two-party telephone conversation.

This isn't about public behavior, it's about private behavior. Having a level of class that is fit for a king means even in private you present yourself in a way that is respectable, not turn into Kim Kartrashian when the camera is off.

In a parallel universe they have Queen Diana

Every time I see that pic of the new Queen, my ass starts crowning. 💩

Definitely Queen Stepmother when Charles dies.

[quote]Nothing would be gained by stripping Camilla of her title.

Could you please not use the words "stripping" and "Camilla" in the same sentence.

Some of us are having breakfast!

Thanks!

She will simply be called Queen Camilla if Charles predeceases her. The Queen Mother was only called that because she had the same first name and basic style of her daughter. Having two "Queen Elizabeths" would be confusing, but not so with Queen Camilla as dowager and (presumably) Queen Katherine as consort.

Changing of the Wives

R235 Anne of Cleeves made out better than any of Henry's wives. He couldn't get it up because, he claimed "she was misshapen and smelled funny", so she didn't have to sleep with him. She got a fortune to agree to annual the marriage (although she didn't want to) and never had to marry again. She also lived the longest after his death.

r248 is satire. Right?

Camilla is my favorite royal. I can just imagine giving her a pack of smokes and having a few drinks with her. She would spill all the juicy gossip!

You're confusing Camilla with Fergie.

Does anyone know what's the code for when Camilla dies?

"The homewrecker has expired." is the code.

R259 "The chemist is out of Tampax."

Meanwhile those strange sounds reportedly being heard coming from a certain part of grounds at Althorp estate likely are from Diana, Princess of Wales spinning in her grave.

"The old grey mare, she ain't what she used to be."

The old grey mare has gone to the great meadow in the sky.

I hope Elton changes the lyrics to "The Bitch is Back" to sing at her funeral.

R257 I imagine the same type of gin, cigarettes and gossip that one expects at any trailer park in the south. Camilla would fit right in.

[quote]Adore me , gays!

And her stank pussy...

as she queefs all over the Mountbatten-Windsors and their loyal devotees...

R266, we don't do G&T in the South. We do whiskey, or Mint Juleps, or something sweet with Rum. Maybe a fine brandy from time to time.

^ not necessarily so...some very devoted G&T drinkers in the South

I loved how she blabbered to everyone about President Biden farting, when she looks like she never washes her funky twat.

It is 100% pure fiction that Camilla is a low key country girl who never wanted to be queen. Pretending she’ll just retire to live the simple life in some bolt hole is hilarious.

Fact: Camilla sought out ruthless PR professionals to help rehabilitate her image following Diana’s death, and more than a few times she threw William and Harry under the bus for her benefit.

R271 you would be er have said that if Harry hadn't alleged it. The arguement before his memoirs was that Charles had hired PR to make her look better.

It's very easy when you're the one being subjected to negative press to claim "What about him?" and feel it's a plot against you. If the RF are so much in cahoots with the newspapers then how do you explain all the years or negative press Kate got? Or Charles being an out-of-touch eccentric who talks to his plants? Or Edward being shiftless and the suggestion he was gay?

The only negative press I remember Harry receiving pre-2018 was getting in trouble for smoking weed at Eton, his nazi uniform gaffe, alleged cheating in his A-levels and that racist video he recorded in the army. The ironic thing is he got more positive press than anyone besides The Queen up until he decided the press were his enemy.

Rupert Murdoch has entered the chat.

[quote] Can you imagine if Camilla and Charles could reproduce?😱

Oh the horrors

You know, clearly the tabloids loved the scandal and the back and forth when Charles' infidelity was exposed and Diana was giving interviews and it came out that Diana called her The Rottweiler. That was a real mud slinging slug fest. But Camilla suffered for it too. The problem with all of this, including Camilla's attempts to rehab her image, is that there were so many actors involved in various camps you never know who was involved. I mean ignoring, for example Diana's siblings would be folly. THey knew people too. Media types. Did Charles Spencer or Diana's sisters leak nasty things about Camilla? There are a lot of theories out here about who threw who under the bus, but it could have come from anywhere. Altho I can't see Diana's family trying to harm her kids. OTOH, the possibility of Andrew underhandedly attempting to distract from his own troubles is always possible. The factions and the intrigues inside a Royal court ( staff, etc.) and they each had their own networks and individuals who would want to gain the upper hand, etc. It was just a mess.

She really, really does resemble a Rottweiler, it is the perfect descriptor.

You want to talk who is dumb, NO ONE has a lower IQ that Andrew. He is truly dumb. I think he has servants dress him because he doesn't know how to tie his shoes and its not from a lack of trying to teach him. I think the reason Fergie and his daughters attend to him so much is they know he has the intellect of a small child.

Andrew served in the Military and flew helicopters into combat. So while he may not be very smart, he is not as dumb as you think. A lot of his foolishness and poor judgment comes from his pomposity and t he fact he was spoiled rotten and got away with way too much.

All Hail Queen Camilla! God Save our Queen (Kween)!

What's the number of her plastic surgeon?

Said no one ever!

Pooor Charles!!! In R279's picture he looks so damned exhausted you can see he's ready to call it a d ay. Party's over. The crown must weigh a lot and so do the robes. Camilla looks good. She is making an effort to stand straight chin up shoulders back.

I guess monarchs in the past had really big heads because the crowns don't fit. Maybe they got fat from the enormous banquets they would consume in the Victorian era.

Yeah I was like...that don't fit right on Cami. Did Queen Mary have a big fat head???

"Middletons would receive titles when their daughter becomes queen."

Highly unlikely, especially since trend for past few decades now has been to shrink the peerage more so at more exalted ranks. Though you never know, maybe Mr. Middleton would be given a life peerage or maybe something lower on scale for "services to the nation". Same as Edward VIII elevated brewers, bankers and others in industry and commerce.

Thing to watch is if CPB's children or grandchildren are risen up. If that happens then all bets are off regarding Middleton family.

What would a title give them that they don't already have? The Parker Bowles children are the beloved children of the consort and the Middletons are the cherished in-laws of the future king. They have the GOLDEN TICKET.

"What would a title give them that they don't already have? "

Status sweetie, status.

Even holding a life peerage gets one noticed when "Baron/Baroness" or whatever is attached to one's name. Why do you think for ages now lowly civil servants (who since 1900's largely and increasingly have been drawn from middle classes) are given titles and other awards.

[quote] Even holding a life peerage gets one noticed when "Baron/Baroness" or whatever is attached to one's name.

Not when you're an Oscar-winning nepo baby!

I'm convinced Queen Camilla's kids will get some title. Her two kids. And the later, Katherine's sister Pippa will definitely get a title, and possibly James. Don't know if Michael and Carol Middleton even want one. I don't think they'd turn one down but I don't think they care uch. All these years they have been extremely low key and circumspect in t heir behavior. Almost invisible.

R286 what status do you get that doesn't automatically come from BELOVED BY THE CURRENT/FUTURE MONARCH?

Is there any door currently closed to Kate's family that a title would open? I don't think so

R288 Pippa has a title, from her husband

R289

If you just don't understand British society I can't help you.

Again it has long been and still is having a title attached to one's name is quite a big deal far as many Britons are concerned. Whether it gets one better tables at restaurants is up for debate, but it does look good in print to have various letters attached to one's name.

Comedies such as "Keeping Up Appearances" are popular in UK because they play upon social farce. Hyacinth Bouquet's endless social climbing and deference to anyone with a title is something not unknown in real life.

R290, not yet. He will inherit when his father dies. His father is a Laird of Scotland. And he inherits the title. So eventually Pipp will be a Lady. IMO that's not much. I'm sure there are better things in store. They can be elevated.

[quote] "Based on the naming protocols established by Charles, I suppose William could call her whatever he wants, or nothing at all,"

He already does, R39. And you should hear what my older brother calls her!

[quote]Beastly as Prince Harry has behaved things would also have to go that way for HRH to be formally stripped of his royal and noble titles. That's just not ever going to happen, Ditto for Prince Andrew, the Duke of York.

Egads! NO. The usage of the HRH honorific is strictly controlled by the sitting monarch. They have full power to remove it from anyone as they see fit, with or without issuance of a Letters Patent.

[quote]As with in 1917 when King George V passed the Titles Deprivation Act so he could remove British titles of several German and Austrian royals during the First World War, things would still have to go through Parliament. British monarchs simply do not have power on their own to strip royal nor noble personages of their styles and or titles.

Ay yi yi! You must be new to these threads. It's been posted numerous times: the British monarch, as "Fount of all Honour" in the UK (google it) controls the HRH styling and the prince/princess titles and their usage. They can grant or remove these at anytime, for any reason. No one else controls this but the current King.

R291 title or no title, there is nowhere higher for the Middletons to climb.

If they were average citizens, I'd absolutely agree, but being the beloved in-laws of the next King is a little different than David "please fucking make me a knight" Beckham.

R276, that’s an insult to Rottweilers.

I think everyone over 60 wore pee pads. Everyone!

I am sure the Brits love them, but as an outsider I must say, I have no interest in the Royal Family anymore. I will pass on visiting those sites as a tourist as well.

Call us when someone young takes the throne and a there is a queen who's looks wont shatter mirrors or scare barn animals.

"Call us when someone young takes the throne"

Define "young".

Prince or Wales is aged 40 now. If HM lives ten years that would make Prince William in his fifties when he inherits. Should HM's strong Hanoverian, Scandinavian and bit of other mix genes kick in KC3 may live another twenty or so years.

Elizabeth II lived until 96 and Prince Phillip reached 99 years of age. Queen Elizabeth, The Queen Mother beat them both living until age 101. Princess Margaret checked out comparatively early at aged 71, but HRH smoked like a chimney and drank like a sailor. George VI also was a heavy smoker but the added stress of his unexpectedly becoming monarch likely helped do HM in at an early age of 51.

Leaving aside adultery with CPB KC3 seems to have or has few other vices. HM has long practiced a healthy lifestyle which includes yoga. HM may prove to be quite long lived leaving the Prince of Wales cooling his jets for better part of two decades or bit longer.

Maybe the Brits should take up R298's idea. The new rule will be that when the monarch dies, you go down the line of succession until you get to the first heir who's under 30—thus George would have succeeded this time and Charles would have been carrying *his* train. No one would ever have to look at a wrinkled, wheezing new king or queen ever again; every reign would begin in the golden glow of youth, or in this case pre-adolescence.

Someone start a thread on Pears Morgan. There are juicy rumors about an alleged hook up with a black prostitute and him having a very very small *****. Tweets going around from 2015 of him online obsessively tweeting Megs. Have linked tweets.

[quote]him having a very very small *****

Small what? Don't leave us hanging!

I think that is the point r302. There is nothing "hanging".

The page at R279 has resting bitch face. Future DLer.

Don't be ridiculous, R300. People in their twenties are dumb as hell. They can't be king or queen.

Queen Elizabeth became Queen at 25.

"Someone start a thread on Pears Morgan. "

You want someone to start a thread about a fruit on a gay website?

Well, R306, I wasn't around for Liz's early years as queen. If I was, maybe I would have thought "What a silly, inexperienced young woman." Or maybe everything she said and did was carefully scripted. And I know that in the past, eg. before the 1980s, monarchs kept the media at a distance, lest their mystique wear off.

In the past, the upper classes and the media knew about the bad behaviour of the royal family but they didn't dare publicize it.

Actually, back in the 60s, Cam was really rawther sexy posh "goer." She looked like she could be a cousin of Vanessa and Lynn Redgrave. She was certainly more experienced than Charles and I assume initiated him into the "ways of love."

After some consideration, I've decided that the huge ceremony, all the elaborate pomp for Elizabeth's coronation, was to legitimize her reign because she was so young and because she was a woman. Once Victoria died all we had was men. And we were just coming out of a war, so having this young wife and mother on the throne was quite different in many many ways. To insure the monarchy was still recognized with the reverence and institutional legitimacy it needed to survive they wanted to make sure the public saw it in an historical context that went beyond Elizabeth II.

For the loons that don't have a clue nearly from moment after George VI inherited the Princess Elizabeth began her education befitting next monarch. Princess Elizabeth was heiress presumptive and as George VI and his consort had no plans for breeding again it was nearly certain their eldest daughter would become queen.

OTOH Victoria I came to the throne totally ignorant of how to be a monarch as she wasn't taught anything about constitutional matters or government. Her mother's plan was to keep Alexandrina Victoria totally ignorant and thus reliant upon herself for advice. Queen Victoria said "sod that" and moment she became monarch was her own boss.

Sadly or for good depending upon how one views things it fell to William Lamb, 2nd Viscount Melbourne who was Victoria's first prime minister to teach HM politics and how to be queen. Sad bit comes in because Viscount Melbourne favored a British monarch with weaker powers and less influence over Parliament. This was the beginning in a shift of power from monarch to government.

Victoria's long period mourning after death or Prince Albert when she shut herself up away from London also influenced the shift in power. Successive prime ministers maneuvered around the Queen including finally bringing Prince of Wales into picture, something Victoria steadfastly refused to countenance.

In conclusion, the monarchy should be abolished and Chuck and Cammie should be thrown out on their asses. It's self evident. The end.

Camilla and her sister. Horse face for days!

Camilla isn't much to look at but she looks better than her sister.

MY EYES! 🥺😵‍💫🥺😵‍💫🥺😵‍💫

" Once Victoria died all we had was men"

It was "all men" before Victoria since Anne II, what exactly is your point?

R310, I disagree. I think the British or at least the English prefer female monarchs. It's weird but I think they are defensive of them. Elizabeth was beautiful at that point and there was a whole Faerie Queen thing being created by the coronation. Similar to Victoria. Disreali was big on that and so was Churchill. Hence the regret now that it isn't Anne ascending the throne. Although she's more a warrior queen like Elizabeth I than a Faerie Queen.

The English like a queen!