Why Are So Many Young Men Single and Sexless?

Don't know, don't care.

They can all come live with me in my mansion. Only the hot ones though.

Because staright males are essentially castrated by today's culture and overly "empowered" women aren't attractive.

Porn, porn, porn video,games. A miserable life but easy to get caught up in.

What a load of happy horseshit, R3.

If straight men are castrated by today's culture, they were obviously weak and inferior to start off with.

If anything, their sense of superiority and entitlement has been threatened.

Women don't need these losers. Likely sex with them is abysmal. Women who are educated and self supporting can afford to be very picky about relationships.

You try putting something in someone’s ass and tell them it takes an hour.

Don’t you have a lawsuit to prepare for, Tucker R3?

Because screenz.

They'd rather be playing video games and watching porn. IRL relationships are too much work for them because when it doesn't go their way --which happens to us all throughout this thing called Life-- their rage incapacitates them from wanting to try, or being able, to form healthy connections.

Toxic masculinity has not helped. Girls/Women are more motivated than ever to seek financial and emotional independence from men. Increasingly, sex is no longer about attachment for females.

Incels have found each online other so they can moan together about how mean women are to them. I never thought I’d see the day where not getting laid is considered the cool kids club for thousands of young guys.

I wish people still knew what 'sexless' actually means.

Bro homos, every last one!

Straight men finally catching up with gays.

Do we really need heteros compulsively fucking and procreating? Maybe slowing all that down a bit is the way to go. Humanity already has no idea how to move past uncontrolled capitalism.

Probably only 20% or less of men are sexually attractive to women. Both the modern sexual ethos and technology have given women full agency in partner selection. Straight men will gladly hook up with women they aren't attracted to for fun, a woman will only do that for money or some other tangible material or social benefits. The incels are right about one thing - the best looking guys are monopolizing "hook up" culture and dating more and more. Basically, the problem is that too many guys are ugly.

The Internet has destroyed traditional ways of human connection and provided easily accessible stimulants to replace traditional relationship building

I’ll help them out

Bullshit. I see ugly, straight guys with ladies all the time. Fat, poor, going-nowhere-in-life guys. The straight ladies seem to date below themselves a lot, just from seeing the photos on social media and reading their comments.

If these straight guys would rather be sexless and ragefilled instead of "dating down" because they aren't getting the same gals that top 20% are, then they really should go see R19.

He'll hopefully put something large and hard into their whining mouths to shut them up.

I actually think the problem is twofold

I think a good deal of the problem is the hopelessness of young people in late stage capitalism

The dream that a middle class man and wife under 30 can buy a home and start a family is dead. So, why bother.

Also, smartphone world has created a virtual existence which has supplanted real life experience. Virtual world is a comfort when the real world is so depressing.

[quote]The incels are right about one thing - the best looking guys are monopolizing "hook up" culture and dating more and more. Basically, the problem is that too many guys are ugly.

Incels harp on square-jawed 'Chads' monopolizing the market but in truth women simply do not prioritize looks like men do. Women will date guys who aren't conventionally good-looking but those men must have something worthwhile to offer, e.g. a fun personality, be sexy/good in bed, or have lots of money. You can't be ugly, broke, AND an asshole.

Psychopathy has become so widespread there are no genuine emotions anymore.

No one wants to hear this but this is spot on

Young guys are just demonstrating to eligible women that they don't need them.

-- no, they don't want be their baby daddy,

-- no, they don't want an expensive, lifetime commitment,

-- no thanks, I can take care of myself.

I am going to add one more thing

People will be less inclined to start families as the future seems more and more dystopian

Cool, R25. Then why are they always bitching and shooting up America if they're fine w/o ladies?

Yeah, r27, they're ALL doing that.

Could be one or more of these:

Social media tends to isolate people so they’re not mixing as much

Porn is EVERYWHERE as are sex toys so it’s like the old joke, “if sheep could cook and clean, we wouldn’t talk to women at all”

Backlash against what some see as the feminism pendulum swinging too far, with strident, unattractive women constantly hectoring about everything (the red pill argument)

An age of heightened social anxiety about literally everything

Note I don’t argue any of the above is the reason, or even factually correct, but it’s what I’ve read/heard.

Another issue is that conversational skills have atrophied-- people seem to have forgotten how to toss the ball back and forth so there is mutual engagement. There are few things worse than going on a date with a bore who talks about himself ad nauseam.

[quote]the best looking guys are monopolizing "hook up" culture and dating more and more. Basically, the problem is that too many guys are ugly.

So how long until the ugly ones die out?

"-- no thanks, I can take care of myself."

That's fine and dandy as long as mommie is around to cook, clean and do the laundry.

The shit hits the fan when mommie dies and Incel, Jr. has to do that shit himself, or worse, pay somebody to do it for him.

Hot pornos, marathon gaming, food delivery 🚚, dank yellow amnesia

R29, now do the "strident" incels lecturing women and even murdering them or building bombs to destroy them

Billionaires and rich politicians are asking an entire generation of poorer people to build families and spend more money…so that those rich people can stay rich, even though wages haven’t kept up with inflation. When the only acceptable life options look like slavery, an increasing number of people will probably opt to either give up and wither or actively burn the system down.

With dating apps there are also so many options. You can keep dating and dating and not have to settle for just one piece of ass. I have both male and female friends that seem addicted to going on dates. The men get more casual sex the women get more free meals and drinks. Almost all of them are "seeing" multiple people at one time and know the people they are seeing are doing the same.

Society has changed a lot. Many young women don’t seem to date either. It’s off

One innocent poke and you’re on the hook for a lifetime

I used to have a customer service job where I saw a lot of younger (under 40) straight couples. It wasn't uncommon to see an attractive, charming woman paired up with a sullen, dumpy guy. Women definitely have a tendency to date down. If that trend is ending then I see it as something to celebrate. Let these mediocre men improve themselves if they want sex.

R39 they’re not dating down, they’re dating their wallets

^Women will take a dumpier husband if it comes with security and stable life with no work, putting out just enough and having kids.

Status competition has become the norm in dating, which is enough to poison a society all by itself.

[quote] I think a good deal of the problem is the hopelessness of young people in late stage capitalism

Nice try, Boris.

Ugly, poor dudes get girlfriends and wives all the time.

You see them out, usually the gal has tried to do something with her hair and make-up and he has on a stained Tshirt, has a ratty hillbilly beard, and an angry look on his face.

R43 = JD Vance, utterly confused why young men are starting families and having children to send to schools to be shot to death

just wait till Amazon starts delivering the hot slutty robots 🤖

Too many fug fatties.

I think it's fine if the straight boys don't want any of the burden/responsibility R25 noted. I can understand that when so many of their parents are letting them stay in their childhood homes.

I also don't blame straight girls if they don't want to risk the responsibility/burden of taking on a possible loser/potentially violent partner when they are losing their bodily autonomy in many places. Why risk that unless it's with someone who has a lot going for them?

R22, on the apps, women absolutely prioritize looks. Looks are everything.

The top 10% of guys in terms of looks garner more than 90% of the swipes, I’m told. I have a VGL nephew who gets hundreds of matches and a friend with a couple of not-very-attractive sons who can swipe all the girls they want but get zero matches.

It’s so much worse than the days of meeting in bars, because at least we will able to get some sense of the person. Plenty of the sexiest guys I met had a way about them that didn’t translate to photos.

Honestly, women will decide no guys under, say, 6’. Swimmer’s body. Nice face. Those will be their primary sorting criteria before getting to brains, personality, charm, wit, etc. It’s not easy out there for these guys.

Sister's doing it for themselves.

R49 I think online dating distorts the process as people are responding (initially at least) to images. It's hard to demonstrate non-visual qualities like charisma or sexiness on an app. Not-very-attractive guys need to find some way to get over that initial hurdle by signaling that they're fun to be with or have other date-able qualities.

Incels have an egotistical belief that IG models should love them for their "genius" and that fat or ugly girls are subhuman. They were raised thinking women aren't entitled to seek attractiveness in the same way guys do for women.

Was in a restaurant where a young engaged couple were dining with relatives.The guy was average looking and quiet. The girl was quite overweight but pretty and seemed smart. She had a good job which involved travel and was also taking care of a sick,parent. If looks were all that mattered, this would be a mismatched couple. Thank God some people can still get past the surface and connect with a person on a deeper level. Not sure swiping on pictures will accomplish that.

[quote] Basically, the problem is that too many guys are ugly.

They could mitigate some of that physical ugly by not having a personality and an entitlement to match. Seriously.

Because a lot of young women are getting fat and unattractive.

Am a bisexual female of eligible dating/marrying age, and don't. I don't even fuck. Really, I can't be arsed with how fucking psycho everyone seems to be these days, and the way no-one can seem to have accountability or try to work on their inner lives. I've been depressed a lot in my life and have worked to hard to come through it, and it knocks me back to look around and see so many people just walking around disordered and dysfunctional and hurting others via serial relationships. I can't put myself through all that again at the hands of another person, it was bad enough coming from my own mind.

Because a lot of young people are getting fat and unattractive and stupid.

FIFY.

Have you seen Springer or Maury lately?

Being sexually intimate with oneself is the best sex ever if you know how to masturbate. And then just have a very fulfilling platonic relationship with the one you love.

Go to the breaking mom subreddit and you'll see what happens when these guys get married and have kids. They've grown up on porn and video games and have been coddled by their parents and expect to still be coddled when there are children to care for.

I heard of a young woman who was living with her boyfriend. Every day he would take off his underwear, sit on the couch and jack off. He would cum on a houseplant. And every day she would pick up his underwear and clean off the plant. And guess what, he left her because she wasn't submissive enough.

R59 LOVE Breaking Mom, it peaked me out of considering dating or procreating with men (if my asshole father hadn't already).

r59 Jesus Christ, this post...

The man-baby thing is real. I know a woman in her early 30s with a very demanding career. Her husband stays at home and plays online games all day. He doesn't have a job. He is supposed to keep the house clean and tidy but doesn't do any chores because he says he finds it too stressful. When his wife returns home from her job (which is fortunately a lucrative one) she cooks dinner for him because he doesn't know how to cook.

From r61

[quote]He has BPD and sex is how he gets validated or whatever,

I can't think of a bigger aphrodisiac than the concept of guilting someone into having sex with you because your self-esteem is, admittedly, fucked up. Who wouldn't want to bang that immediately?

I'm kicking off my shoes as I type.

More young men under 30 should be single. I don't know why anyone thinks that is some measure of instability or crisis. Nine countries in the Americas have higher ages of marriage. In Europe (Russia included) only 6 of 42 countries have the same or lower average age of marriage. It's a different economic situation, yes, but the countries in Europe that have a later (than the U.S.) incidence of children leaving the family home tend also to have a higher percentage of home ownership. Divorce rates are higher in some of those same countries and lower in others, but typically with less rancorous divorce settlements and child support processes. A late marriage is in itself of guarantee of 'forever' but I'm always surprised by the speculation here that Celebrity X is gay because he's 24 years old and not married in a heterosexual union -- why would a film star or musician want to be married at 24 seems the better question.

[quote] Young guys are just demonstrating to eligible women that they don't need them.

It's the opposite. Women are moving toward self-sufficiency. Marry some loser who makes less than you so he can leave you for a younger model in 12 years?! Nope.

I don't care why but it does make me feel better about myself being old, single and sexless.

For gay dudes, this thread is pretty insightful about the plight of young straight incels.

R67 'plight' lmao? Talk about first world problems

Don't they all have huge veiny cocks? And big lips? Maybe the ladies can't handle all the size meat.

Gay men can have frustrating standards, but the flipside is there's less of that undatable pool who expect everything and offer nothing. I'm shocked at what some straight women are willing to put up with.

r70 discover the truth about gay men, before there were mtgow there was the gaytriarchy, no place is more dangerous than that which is free of women, and this is why all males need feminism:

[quote] “Men’s liberationists always bring up ‘confronting their own feelings about men’ by which they mean homosexuality. Male homosexuality is an extension of the reactionary club (meaning both group and weapon). The growth of gay liberation carries contempt for women to the ultimate: total segregation. The desire of men to ‘explore their homosexuality’ really means encouraging the possibility of homosexuality as a reaction against feminist demands. This is the reason the movement for “gay rights” received much more support only after women’s liberation became a mass movement.” www carolhanisch org

[quote] [R29], now do the "strident" incels lecturing women and even murdering them or building bombs to destroy them

R34 I’m not “doing” anything and as I said this is what I have read or heard men themselves say, or (like with social media and porn) sociologists.

I grew up in a family with women and a largely absent father. It’s second nature for me to think of women as equal in all respects to men.

[quote] Women don't need these losers.

Oh please. The young women these men's age are a big goddamn mess in their own terrible way. They're not exactly some shining beacon of womanhood.

r74 Taking it kind of personally, are we? You realize they're referring to straight (and bi) men only, right? If that's not you, why so testy?

[quote]The growth of gay liberation carries contempt for women to the ultimate: total segregation.

r71 I've always found this fascinating and never quite understood where it stemmed from historically. The stock "man-hating lesbian" character I could understand due to the fact that women were historically subjugated by men in society. A lot of lesbians were even forced into straight marriages to "fulfill their duties as women" by essentially becoming a broodmare/maid/sex slave. That hatred, while still toxic, actually came from something quite tangible and more pronounced.

How were these "separationist" gay men oppressed by women to the point of breeding contempt for them? The only thing I could possibly equate it to would be a similar setup where closeted gay men forced themselves into straight marriages for their own survival and were basically trapped with women. However, the reason these gay men were even closeted and brought to that point in the first place was because of...wait for it...[bold]other men[/bold]. Specifically, homophobic straight men who were at the top of the societal food chain. So, where did that hatred come from and when did it start? Was it before the feminist movement or after when all men, gay, straight, and bi were branded as monsters and "scum?" If it's after, then it makes more sense.

I haven't watched that video but will when I get a minute.

r76 I was trolling, obviously, but it's been in the gene pool of feminism from the beginning... but between the 50s and 60s, is where the divides and new unification began taking place.. the radicals were never truly a part of any major movement save in the way of disruption. the man hating lesbian trope was really more the "political" lesbian variety, yes, it included a few same sex attracted females, but most consider themselves lesbian in name only. Most were left behind when both gay liberation and women's liberation became more realized. That is where most of animosity comes from. They blame gay liberation for corrupting women's liberation and leading to the split within feminism.

However, many of their theories (manifestos) remain in the broad social justice gene pool. . . rather than really cutting them out, they minimized them, while also carrying some of their works, sanitized, into the present. Jeffreys is one that's still living, unchanging and was relatively sane (comparatively, she's been on the political talk show circuit for decades, active in academics and even affecting law, whether by her self directly, or her disciples. She's been right aligned, despite professing to be a leftist, since the late 70s.) She is batshit and habitually lies, many things she suggests, particularly, her recollections on organizations, can be disproven but she plays in half truths, akin to the religious reich... who frequently cite her works in their own research and studies, and occasionally, dragged out as witness conservative politicians in the name of women or lgbt on related matters; she's fought against public distribution of contraceptives and birth control pills on the basis that it would lead to more women having (casual) sex with men and turned into prostitutes.).

We could thank them for linking the gay liberation's movement and the women's liberation movement, and to an extent, other social justice movements because of their theory that the hatred of gay men was really just the hatred of women )... in that essence, they made gay men more tolerable to broader movements. However, few are ever willing to scratch beyond the surface of what they mean by that. They rarely do except in their own circlejerks. Hence, even still they try to lure us to their other radical positions. (Where they're the most upset is we don't hate bisexual men nor str8 men really, which with that view, they believe we should, because they believe such men only view us as lesser women. So, they exclaim, we represent toxic masculinity because of hatred of not being actual women and then try to co-opt the feminine because we imagine ourselves to be women, when we should all strive to be gender-free.)

so, usually when we talk about rad fems, we're speaking only of the tail end before the split from the mainstream where they once had more recognition. They didn't want acceptance or tolerance, or any progressive movement... they wanted a new world order - the world over. And most of them were completely batshit by that point, Jeffreys is one of saner ones. so, they were deadweight, more prone to causing internal disruptions and derailing the movements than addressing the external and rightfully abandoned.

r77 Oh, god, are you the Sheila Jeffries troll?

Why do you constantly flock to every single thread that deals with women or straight relationships? You're like clockwork, man.

r79 Why do any of trolls flock to the DL?

Why do fraus who profess that men shouldn't be in their spaces or talk about their issues, then flood male spaces and speak over them about their issues, and demand we give into all their demands or be deemed incels, or threatened with how they'll turn on us and vote republican?

r79 If you weren't a reactionary, would anyone else be reactionary to you?

[quote]and demand we give into all their demands or be deemed incels,

r80 Aye, are you sure you're a gay man? You're oddly fixated on women. Constantly. And not in that stereotypical, but equally toxic, "YASS KWEEEN" way.

[quote] Oh please. The young women these men's age are a big goddamn mess in their own terrible way. They're not exactly some shining beacon of womanhood.

No one needs to be a shining beacon of anything, we just need these maladjusted young men to get laid and cultivate relationships, and start to identify goals and priorities in life. To find some sense of purpose and a community that is not on right-wing social media or a neo-nazi gaming forum. Young involuntarily celibate men are a menace to society. Everyday brings another mass shooting at the hands of one of these motherfuckers. It is a social ill that must be taken seriously, particularly since the gun nuts think every incel needs an automatic assault rifle.

R75 You BOTH suck. Meaning young straight men and young straight women.

They don’t wash their asses. They’re addicted to porn and video games. They’re socially awkward in a creepy way. They lack ambition and follow through. The entire generation is messed up, but the straight males are especially unappealing and inconsequential.

Gen Z's pussy stinks

A whole industry of 'dating coaches' , eg Matt Hussey, has sprung up to help women bag a husband. A third of young men under 35 still live at home with their parents. It's just uphill and hopeless for so many of the reasons outlined above.

Things are very tricky for the group of young people who want to get an education and / or move to “the big city.” It’s becoming harder to meet people if you go to a school or city where you don’t have a network.

At the other end of the ambition spectrum, I see a lot of young people marrying their high school sweethearts very young and never leaving the shitty towns they grew up in.

I recently lived in a trashy suburb on a work assignment and was astonished that all my neighbors had 3,4,5 kids and stay-at-home moms. It’s so regressive.

Everyone I went to high school with married each other and never left the town we grew up in. But I’m GenX. I can’t believe it’s still going on these days. If anything, there’s much less mobility. Or maybe people don’t hate their parents like we did, so they just hang out with their parents forever.

Not to be gross but sex toys have come a long way. Straight guys can buy a pocket pussy or other device, watch porn and get off all without leaving their room, having to talk to anyone, or spend time and money on food and entertainment as they would a real woman.

The hot guy in OPs stock photo is not single and sexless. Ugly, fat, incel young men are. The same ones where only 25% are even eligible to enlist because the rest are overweight, addicted, retarded-equivalent IQ or felons.

R89 but what torments incels isn't the lack of access to a physical sensation, it's the lack of validation and pair bonding. they can't make themselves happier by coping with escorts either, they still have to end the day knowing that they have not experienced mutual attraction, or love. i would never go as far as to say that these troglodytes deserve any better. but i don't think sex toys or anything like that will ever be any help.

Not to be gross but no one is giving up sex because they love fucking a rubber tube. That's absurd.

Even in actual couples I think “love” is pretty rare. I see so many married hetero couples with nothing in common. They just get married because they think it’s the next step.

There seem to be plenty of young women who just want to get married and have babies. Who is marrying these low-quality women? I guess it’s the guys my friend Julie would refer to as “worker people.” They make an ok or even good living in some blue-collar job.

Yeah that was dumb wasn’t it. Still you don’t have to be a jerk. Happy Monday morning asshole.

Incels aren't really interested in sex or mutual relationships or pair bonding (even if they were capable of forming a pair bond, which I don't believe they are). Incels do not view women as fully human. They want girlfriends because they believe they are entitled to them or 'owed' them somehow. Most of all they seem to want someone who will elevate their status in the eyes of other men, as if a woman were a luxury car.

A good morning to you too, cunt. Try to get some fresh air today instead of staying indoors and fucking couch cushions.

*Free Porn around the clock, Sex Dolls, Flesh Lights and Pocket Pussies, etc. There's no rush or pressure to "grow up", move out and get married, why bother??? Guys should not marry until 40ish, Women should not marry until 30ish, both should know what they want in life by that age range, respectively.

Toxic femininity.

Breeders can’t have sex now without a contract being signed first. Women are too crazy. Too many Borderlines. Millennials are going to be the last fun slutty generation. Gen Z is on too many hormones and mental health drugs to get it up. Men are now expected to act like women. Gloria Steinem said that masculinity is an affliction that needs to be rubbed out. That’s the mindset you’re dealing with today. Being a man is seen as bad. This is a big reason why men have the highest suicide rate. We’ve gone from one extreme to another. Girls excel while boys are being left behind.

Pornhub.

ChatGPT has joined the thread.!

Social networks and gaming: zombies. When I am in my gym (Equinox) and observe 90% of folks “working out”, it’s with their phones. They use equipment to sit on while they text, surf the net, manipulate their play list etc. I suppose some are cruising the hookup apps as well. I find it really, really strange: a world going kind of bonkers controlled by tech racing at a pace of change too fast for behavioral adjustment.

[quote] If anything, there’s much less mobility.

Wonder why.

I have two stepsons and two nephews, all in their 20s. To my knowledge, only one of them has had a serious relationship for any length of time, and now they are all single. They are all decent looking with jobs, and I’m sure they at least “hook up” with girls from time to time, but none of them seem interested in a steady girlfriend, marriage, or kids. They seem more interested in hustling and making money. Maybe that will change in their thirties..which is good I think. Marriage in your twenties is often a bad idea.

Most straight men have no idea how to pleasure a woman and also do not care to learn

Why would a woman want to chain herself to some porn-addled, prematurely balding, video game-addicted manchild?

The Elaborate, Mattress Carrying, “I was raped!” Scenario would give any man pause.

I haven't read every comment above, but I do agree with a number of posts discussing how so many young men see themselves as being sidelined and marginalized. The Bill Maher clip was also interesting and there's much to be said for how easy it is for guys to get sucked into a gaming world and never needing to leave the house.

Personally (and I've believed this for many years), I think the USA needs either mandatory conscription in the military (2 years) out of high school OR the feds re-start the Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC). Again, 2 years. It would get these guys out of the house, it would introduce them ALL to physical activity, teach them skills, they would have to socialize and work. While boys will be boys, in a few years, we'd have a lot of much more mature men starting college or other jobs/careers in society.

[quote]a world going kind of bonkers controlled by tech racing at a pace of change too fast for behavioral adjustment.

🎵 Virtual insanity is what we're livin' in 🎵

The South Koreans have it worse, where the two sexes are have developed a strange contempt for each other. But I think we're beginning to head down that road as well

I think the incels should at least try a sex worker, the most expensive one they could afford. It would be like being on a holiday - you know you can't live there, but you can have an amazing experience. Another plan would be for them to train with a sex therapist and then advertise n Tinder - 'I am a sex machine, satisfaction guaranteed!'

Incels do not want to pay and get offended if you suggest it. No matter how unpleasant their personality or appearance, society [italic]owes[/italic] them a beautiful sexy young girlfriend, preferably a virgin.

The entitlement is delusional.

R70, most gay men are low value and undatable. What percentage of them have HIV and anal warts? Ew…..

Young gaylings, don’t grow up to be one of THOSE aforementioned gays. Yuck!

Most straight men offer nothing of value to women, and yet they think women owe them everything, including pornified sex on demand. Women don’t want to work full-time only to come home to be a mommywife bangmaid to some schlubby dolt in a gaming headset.

The good ones are all taken.

The losers are all being recycled.

[quote] How so many young men see themselves as being sidelined and marginalized.

'See themselves' is the operative phrase here. It's a wrongheaded perception, borne of entitlement blindness.

Gay men coming up with ideas to help get straight men laid, for some reason. You can’t make this shit up 😂

R108, if you weren't in the military yourself it seems a bit unfair to force others to serve

R107, lol, no straight man will turn down a pretty or even semi-pretty woman

R99, men have always had a higher suicide rate than women. No one is "signing a contract" to have sex. Stop blaming feminism for everything you don't like, you tiny-dicked Log Cabinette

R119 LITERALLY though??

Am a woman (4/5 tbh, nothing special) who has had way more gorgeous and/or in shape friends, and when out with them have witnessed in front of my own eyes single ugly-to=average beta men turn them down flat for the most egregious reasons, or even for no reason. It's like mate, you are probably not gonna pull down better than this ever again, or at least not without the help of severe intoxication/inebriation/desperation on the part of the fantasy model 9 you think awaits you.

The delusion is so fucking strong with these guys. What has warped their thinking? Is it all that redpill ideology shit?

R3, are you fucking serious???? WTF????? Straight white males are miserable because they are no longer entitled to everything. In the olden days, white women did not date outside of their race, now they do so the WM dating pool is less secure. Add to that the fact that too many of them are so desperate nobody wants them. Sorry, you are way off base with that ridiculous MAGA theory.

90% of the women are competing for 10% of the men. That leaves a lot of men and women out in the cold.

Only the 10% that you want to date, R123.

[quote] In the olden days, white women did not date outside of their race, now they do so the WM dating pool is less secure.

Fr. Several guys that my white Millennial sister thought were her friends stopped talking to her dead when she started dating an Arab. She realised then that these lads literally just wanted to fuck her and were waiting for an in (they waited too long, I guess), and didn't want to debase themselves by competing with POC dick (bigots).

My sister isn't even that out of anyone's league either--she's smart and pretty and fun, but not an unreachable knockout. And her man treats her pretty well, especially by the standards of his culture of origin (he's pretty Westernised and sceptical of !slam).

*90%

What would the reaction be if we spoke about young women this way?

It’s like people are waking up to the fact that most humans (men, women, etc) hate each other. As if all marriages in earlier generations existed because men were sensitive and knew how to “talk” to women. Marriages happened because of massive societal pressure to get married. Without that pressure, the system will crumble. As it should. It’s not necessarily right or wrong; it’s just changed.

It's certainly not helping that young people have to struggle to get established. What are you going to do with a young lady you're seeing, bring her home to your parent's house to have sex? Maybe some young people have a decent arrangement for that (chill parents or somewhat separate spaces within the house), but I'm guessing a majority do not. Of course there's other factors too, like not going out as much, which could be attributed to too much screen time, but are people doing that because you can't afford much anyway? FFS have you seen the cost to go out? A couple hundred for a sports event, a few hundred for a small comedy show, at least $40 for a movie, or $100 to eat out with drinks, etc. Let's not even get into the drinking and driving fears, where they've made sure to scare the piss out of people even if they only have a few drinks in an evening.

Why bother looking for a relationship when there's no affordable places, you have to work a lot, wages suck for a majority of jobs, can't afford to get out of the house together, and so on. Online dating is another can of worms, where I'm pretty sure half the women are fake profiles and/or people struggle to look beyond an initial photo.

Once again we’re being told it’s our responsibility to keep these low quality people from feeling marginalized.

Guess what— that’s not my job. It’s also not my job to reopen coal mines so morons who refuse retraining can have a job.

Get in the game, losers.

r130 then kindly stop trying to force women in STEM and crying about the wage gap when women have no desire to be there and choose majors with poorer outcomes.

I see this with my brother that's in his 20s btw. He's decent looking, decent build, good heart, but works a lot, plays games at night and is still at home while trying to figure out a solid direction in life. We've somehow shifted everyone off where they used to be in life, by a solid decade at least, yet older generations seem confused why young people aren't getting out there to start their adult lives.

R130 I suppose that's one way to look at it, but idk, AI will come for jobs before you know it and not everyone is suited to certain jobs, like computer work for example. What's the stats, over 60% that don't go to college? I don't think we'll ever see that change unless education is completely remodeled and there's more motivation to go to college. Though again, with AI, other tech, outsourcing, etc., we might end up seeing a lot of careers at risk. I'm not even sure what's safe except trades, but those have their own ups and downs.

I'm fairly stable in life, but I that could change. It's easy to see why people under 40 are depressed. It's hitting them at all angles -- environmental concerns, tech advancements, cost of living is insane, a changing social climate, and so on.

Because they don't have the big dicks, OP. Or the big bucks.

And because they lack the imagination to make the most of what they DO have, too...

Your post is incomprehensible r131.

[quote] A third of young men under 35 still live at home with their parents. It's just uphill and hopeless for so many of the reasons outlined above.

Uhh, receipts, please. That sounds a little high for under 35.

r134 No, it's not. It's play on politics. A reversal. Perhaps if so many young women didn't self diagnosis themselves with every fad while cosplaying as everything they're not, then perhaps, the so many young men would stand a chance than dealing with irrational fraus with unrealistic expectations for themselves and others.

We have freedom to trash young men as scum. We program this into them from the youngest ages that they are predators, that they are toxic, and that females are to be placed on the highest pedestal... lest you prove yourself to be all the things they say about you.

There is no allowable middle ground.

When forced to choose a side, it appears young men would rather be alone.

One would think given all that's said about them, this would make people happy... but no, it's all or nothing. They must submit and be brought to heel.

It seems the "victims" are upset their "predators" aren't interested.

They probably find virtual reality porn better (and easier). I believe I read there was a huge explosion (no pun intended ..lol) of this business during COVID.

It's true, R135, albeit poorly phrased because almost half of the males under the age of 35 are under 18 years old and most of them are understandably living at home.

The actually number is 34.5% of males ages 18 to 35 still live at home with a parent or parents. But if you change the age range to 25 to 35 year olds, the number again drops precipitously, to 13% of women and 21% of men.

I don’t know any women who are torn up about men becoming incel losers.

It’s being discussed as a societal problem. Probably because the incels do things like shoot up public places when they have too much time on their hands.

Also, it’s not good for the economy but again I don’t see women particularly giving a shit.

[quote] "Why Are So Many Young Men Single and Sexless?"

Because they've yet to meet me.

R118 - I would have joined the military, but I'm gay. G-A-Y. At the time I could have enlisted or applied to OCS, gay men and women were not allowed into the club. Oh sure, the gays could join, but they lived a lie. And I would have to start LYING on the application and to every man and women in the service as wll.

And that's not hyperbole. One of my best friends is in the service, was when I was thinking of signing up. As he explained to me, I could follow-through (he was cool with gays in the service), but told me that I should remember, there's an Honor Code and an Oath, there are questions... and what was I willing to live with, how much of lie could I carry out to serve?

I knew the answer and it would not have worked out. But I believe in serving and have done so later; as a USO volunteer and with Red Cross disaster service training. Two organizations that are overrun with former military and law enforcement; each could use A LOT more ordinary citizens.

R118, I'm an Army veteran, and I agree with R108 / R141. I think each and every young American should be required to give two years of service to this country regardless of gender, social class or even disability (within limits). This would serve to unify the country in a way that we desperately need and help young people to truly understand that indeed, we all are human and have more commonalities than we have differences.

Also a great way to mingle!

r139 So, what is a quality young man to you?

r142 Education possibilities, too... unfortunately, as is, G.I. bills and Peace Corps no longer spread as far as they once did. Particularly, the latter. AmeriCorps is a joke - it costs you more than it pays out because most placements are in some of the priciest cities, so you essentially need a second full time job. The other would be expanding at-risk youth services with the Forestry department to also fulfill this aspect.

I've always thought if we were to forgive student loans or place a price control on tuition rates, or discount public colleges and universities.. it should come with more strings attached. . . besides freeing some of the burdens on the guardians that often have to co-sign for student loans.

In other nations, there would be places even for those with(mild disabilities that disqualify for service to still take part in some capacity, whether with menial tasks or running base shops and other auxiliary needs. It would be good for many if our services allowed for this.

The conservatives who love "freedom" want to force people to serve in the military. So funny.

R134, most of these guys are losers who can't get a date. They aren't single by choice. But keep blaming women like the misogynist you are

R145? WTF makes you think I'm a conservative? Just because I think there should be a national service requirement doesn't make me a conservative. Other countries have it; some had it but discontinued it (including the U.S.). And note none of us who wrote in favor of this said mandatory MILITARY service. Just some kind of national service.

Apparently you don't want the races, genders, social classes, and people of various geographical backgrounds to work together, get to know each other better, and help to make this nation more whole.

Perhaps you'd be happier if we kept various sorts of people in their proper places...?

r146 do you believe misandry exists?

r145 One doesn't have to be conservative to believe in the benefits of the military or public service, or even feel that if we are to offer financial aid and supplemental loans that students should have less long-term debt and that an effective trade off would be with public service in some way. It would also provide these students or the say the disabled and/or developmentally challenged work-study options, immediate experience and training that could help prepare them for their futures. Maybe even just basic life skills. .. all provided by the state/federal govt while countering the shortages the military and volunteer services are facing as well as streamlining already existing programs to make it easier for young people to access to better support them with their future plans.

R134 I'm sorry you feel that way.

Bravo R142. It's a national service requirement. I started this by INCLUDING the CCC. Jesus some people are obtuse.

And if not a CCC program, then, yes, military service. Personally, I think it would improve the pool of men and women who would decide to make the miliary a career. Each branch of the military right now cannot meet its quotas for new enlistees. They keep dropping standards to meet the need. If anyone thinks that Texiera guy, who shared those documents with losers in a gamers group, is the military's idea of a genius is ignorant of who the military REALLY wants, needs to read more about what the services in the 21st century fighting.

The miliary is NOT for everyone, but mandatory national service should be. It could create cohesion among people. It forces different types of people to live and work side-by-side. They have to rely on each other, they really cannot segregate themselves.

People should read about what the CCC accomplished, how it was a national program that introduced thousands of men to new and different parts of the country and new and different people. It gave those men purpose. It improved the country as a whole. Decades later men could visit places and see a forest they planted during the thirties, stay in a national park they helped improve, drive a road they helped build. And they were proud of what they did and admit that the work and conditions often sucked.

R148, only a conservative would support FORCING people to join the military

Many of you wouldn't last a day in the military but want to force others to serve

And there are plenty of bums, losers, and sociopaths in the military. Joining the armed forces doesn't make someone magically turn into a good person. Jeffrey Dahmer was in the fucking military

R148 with the "misandry".....and yet incels are arrested for plotting sprees to kill women while I don't see any women getting arrested for building bombs to blow up fraternities

For those of us old enough to remember life before SM, smart phones, abundant, free porn, sophisticated video games, the Internet ... it's like shouting from a desert island. You can see exactly why things have gone south but nobody can hear you let alone do anything about it. It's about addiction and derangement. Young people's faces used to beam with energy and happiness when they were in each others company. Cyber crack is eating souls.

Because the women are becoming lesbian and more masculine, and the men are eye-balling those pretty-boy TWINKS!

[quote]And there are plenty of bums, losers, and sociopaths on DL.

R151? FIFY.

And by the way, I was stationed in the exact same town Dahmer was in when I was in Germany; I left in April '79 and he got there in July. Just sayin'.

r152 you've determined that all young men are shit and then confirm your biases here... you could have just said no and left it to that but you felt entitled to generalize and show your hatred. Why is that?

r153 you really want to go back to a time when women in her bondage, trapped by uncomfortable fashions of the day and then like the women of iran cutting their hair, took to burning their bras to express their longing of freedom?

My take is because society has trained women to think they only can go for an attractive male. So they reject everyone who is plain. But Isn’t it the same for women that they are also becoming incel?

r151 And yet those of that has had commented had already served the nation in some capacity. Which is likely a reflection on why we see it as beneficial. So, do you believe every nation which requires public service is conservative?

Honestly after COVID-19, who has the energy to be sexual?

in the name of equity, I feel compelled to go speak to every little girl I see in public and tell them what little, entitled, desperate attention whores so many young women are that since they've stopped investing in their looks and instead pretend to be lesBIans or QUEER which they feel only involves being man-hating gunt (because let';s be real, they might be only 23 years old but they probably haven't seen their cunts for two decades) rather than sexuality, , because they still hide around an enormous pile of bullshit about what they supposedly want, much like not being hungry but then trying to steal everything off your plate with their fat dirty whore fingers and then calling you a faggot paedophile rapist like all men because you've stabbed the protruding digits of this greasy invader that intentionally tries to obscure its gender because its not like other girls. teehee.

[quote]Honestly after COVID-19, who has the energy to be sexual?

Honestly, I do.

For some, Covid was a reminder that Death came knocking at the door and to remind us to wrap ourselves in caution and cotton wool. For others, Covid was a reminder that Death came knocking to remind us to live our lives as well as we can.

Why would a woman want to chain herself to some porn-addled, prematurely balding, video game-addicted manchild?

If it wasn't for the money, I'd be out of here like a bullet.

Scott Galloway at R24 is 100% correct.

r23 gosh that is a very grim and cynical. arguably way too cynical statement!!

Isn't it a positive thing for the environment if fewer babies are born?

All straight men seem to do these days is whine and cry like pissy babies, until they snap and get angry then grab a weapon and go apeshit. Can’t we put them in a colony on Mars on something, harvest their sperm when needed (and there’s enough in banks by now that we don’t even need to do that).

So

Girls don’t need a man

Boys don’t know how to get a girl

Isolation is causing more violent behavior

Thanks social media!

Most unattractive women would like to get laid by a hot guy too but you don’t see them threatening to burn down society because no one will fuck them.

Who will think of the young, coddled men?

r169 Yes, they do... haven't you seen college campuses and protests in the since 2008?

Then when confronted they screech, "You are literally attacking a mentally ill minor"

"be gay. do crime."

"flappy hands! flappy hands! fidget spinner, wooo! Rrrrrroooooaaaawwwwww *throws trashcan* I am an autistic. I am a victim. Fuck you! Fuck you! Rrrrrooooaaawwwwwwww Where's the trigger warning., I Can't do my homework because it's too triggering. Fuck you! Fuck You! Rrrrrooooooaaaawwww. This offends me. This offends me. School is a home. This needs to be a safe space. Fuck you! Fuck you! Rrrrroooooaaaswwww!"

I'm a matress girl, leaving in a rapist world, you can watch me haul my mattress to classes

Because there afraid they can lose their jobs and have the rest of their lives destroyed based on one single accusation that can come now, tomorrow, 20 years from now, who knows? Is a date, or even a conversation worth losing all that?

Porn, duh! You can have a very satisfying sex life without ever having to deal with another person again with the way porn is today. It's not even really porn anymore (studio, lights, actors, etc..) it's socialized sex when you can chat to some random girl broadcasting from her bedroom masturbating for you.

I used to think some gay and lesbian couples had a much better and more interesting chance of things because they had to work against expectation to creat something for which there was no clear blueprint. Straight couples on the other hand seek magical "other" half who is going to complete them: make the family unit, counteract their weak points, provide sex just a room away, bring income or services to the couple...

The idea that gays and lesbians had to invent themselves, or find templates that worked for them has changed over time. The invention of discovery aspect disappeared and, more often than not, they simply settle into some established pattern from The Queer Lifestyles Catalogue that is simply accepted without much fuss for the most part. There's no work to create or define anything, instead a just add water insta-lifeatyle that requires no real thought, just as many straights demonstrate.

Of course there are straight couples who defy some conventions and are interesting as much for the things that make them work as for all the reasons they should suggest that they should be entirely incompatible. Those relationships, straight or gay or lesbian always interest me. The idea that a relationship should be like a pair of old bedroom slippers, slipped on without thought or care is the model for the great majority of relationships, sliding into a role.

r173 not even an accusation but a passing judgment from a frau. Any kind of hint of sexual impropriety (which let's be real, many young fraus do weaponize, especially in breakups or even just jealousy.. and even when caught in a lie, few ever face serious consequences... the lie follows males for the rest of their lives, even when it stems rejecting one because they were gay.)

we've seen those threads on here.. the last one, tho, I was surprised the fraus didn't try to defend her instead they just kept claiming she was a tranny because fraus are all sugar and spice, and everything nice.

R87 a third of women under 35 also live home with their parents.

r177 but that's because of the patriarchy, controlling narcissistic parents and wage gap, the pink tax, systemic sexism and misogyny...

and let's not get into how girls are socialized to not manspread in dresses and skirts like the entitlements young males are raised with.

My god. The sex and dating lives of heterosexuals sounds like a special kind of hell.

r180 well, there's also the sons of bisexual women in lesbian relationships, that hate the father so much, they end up torturing their child.

^ it's common enough to be a trope. But yes, it is usually employed by bad faith actors to attack lgbt. Still, such crimes happen... as do many other crimes that are typically dismissed because but, but, but men are worse.

Trying to find sex with another person these days is fraught with too many obstacles and dangers - disease, accusations, humiliation, frustration, expenses, responsibilities, pregnancies. 9/10 you just go home and masturbate anyway. Men are just cutting out the difficult part and going straight to the load.

From the articles I’m reading, the pool of decent eligible straight guys is really limited. There are incels on one’s side which seem to be up to a third of the pool. On the other end, there are guys with ‘Golden Penis Syndrome’ who have over inflated egos because of their demand. Neither are good long term relationship material. It’s rough out there for young women. I can see why many just go single instead of settling.

I really don’t give a shit about straight men.

Blame the drag queens. I also blame the drag queens when the cable tv goes out. And for when my favorite soda isn't on sale when I want it to be.

I know, R117! I'm a problem solver by nature.

R111

Reading this, I'm glad the dating scene is behind me...no longer interested (no one would be interested, either..lol). Being old isn't such a bad thing. It wasn' always fun back then, but modern dating sounds pretty terrible now.

Cause all the young women are queer and dating each other.

I think porn has taken sexual depravity to such an extent, that regular sex with a real woman/man could be a let down. Porn takes sex to new levels, that most people...mainly women....would not do. Plus, the external physical of the "stars" is not realistic of the average woman/man.

R190 that might be true is some cases and maybe ten years ago when people relied more on studio porn. But a lot of the videos people are watching now are amateur things that real people are making. I'm not sure porn even is the right word since it isn't a commercially packaged form of sexual entertainment. But you can go on sites like cam4 or and other camming sites and watch girls in their rooms, having sex or Onlyfans where people are broadcasting their sexual exploits from their homes. The everyday socialization of sex between average people online is more of the reason people nowadays don't feel the need to go out and meet someone real. You can be masturbating with someone "real" online in their bedroom while you're in your bedroom. You can get off with a girl without having to buy a single drink.

From what I hear, women are warier than previously due to hook-up culture. It's so easy for hot guys to be having sex with a number of women at the same time (not literally). Being ghosted is a big thing, it's easy to do, and it hurts as much as ever. Guys can be asymptomatic for a range of STDs, and Covid too, and pass it on.

Obesity is much more prevalent now and it makes people who might have been fuckable in the past less so now.

Just like the great divide between the rich and the poor in America, there is a great divide between hot guys and average guys in America. I have a good looking friend who is a bartender who is fucking non stop all the time, when and wherever he wants to. He had women passing him numbers constantly and had fucked two girls on the same day. He always goes on about how easy it is. And I am like yeah, it's because of the way you look.

The love of money is at the root of it all and everyone knows their worth in the marketplace. Wait till AI amps up this sick paradigm.

The only way marriage is a good deal for women is if (1) they are one of those women who want to be a stay-at-home mommy and need a meal ticket or (2) the man makes a lot more money than the woman.

This is because the woman often takes care of everything at home. For this to be “evened out,” the man needs to make more money.

I see so many women just giving up in a way. They start off in careers but then go part time or leave their career to have kids. Or they never even go for a real career in the first place.

The lower class women who think they will somehow latch onto a man to make their way through life are really fucked. They don’t have access to those men. Any successful man has his choice of women.

I guess it boils down to this: better latch onto your mate in college or grad school. It might be the last time you will be around a large group of people with whom you have something in common.

Gone are the days when you could wander around the world until you meet someone interesting and then settle down in your thirties. I don’t think that exists any more.

^ Unless you are convicted of a felony and sent to prison in your late 20s.

It's self-correcting, as a lot of young men really shouldn't be reproducing.

[quote]It's self-correcting, as a lot of young men really shouldn't be reproducing.

The future is bleak and nature knows it. A lot of HUMANS really shouldn't be reproducing now.

I have read that 30 year old men (give or take) are very put off by what they perceive as the "job interview" aspect of dating: women wanting to know, all up front, about their suitability for partnership "so I'm not wasting my time . . ." and the guys are just looking at it as dinner. I thought all that business about "40 is the new 30" was relative to longer lifespans, so it made sense to me that singles currently that age weren't necessarily in a hurry. They GOT time

If they are put off by the grilling over dinner they would have never made it as men up until the 1960s. In those days you wouldn't even get near a young woman unless you had a steady job and passed the "interview" conducted by the young woman's family.

Even then, you had to progress to marriage if you ever wanted to get laid.

Young men have always complained about not having enough sex, and paradoxically not wanting girls who don't match their visual/erotic standards. They've also always liked erotic images and have used them for expediency's sake, and haven't been shy about sharing that with the world.

So idk why everyone's acting brand new and shocked by the revelation that young men are horny and desperate, and a lot of them (especially the ugly, fat, poor and/or crazy ones) are undateable and can't get laid. It's more of less the defining characteristic of that male age group. Cf. any 20th Century movie that features boys or young men.

The only societal change these days is that now their female peers are liberated from having to date or marry these fuckers to eat and put a roof over their heads rather than starve in the workhouse or solicit on the street. And that is something to be celebrated and protected.

Let the sex-crazed dumb boys figure out how to play with their toys and get off that way, it's all they're good for until their brains mature and they figure out how to groom, work, clean & cook, etc.

'Half longing for the dirty story of a TV drama, I was sick of it... To be young is a used tissue, to be young is like socks with holes; To be young is a porno book behind the convenience-store desk; Ah, well, I guess youth was there to hold that girl's....hand ;)'

Apparently, a growing cohort of Gen Z women/girls are choosing to be stay-at-home wives & moms, in some kind of bizarre Handmaid's Tale/Pickmeisha reactionary countercultural move. It's allegedly a backlash to Girlbossing, a movement that did have some considerable flaws, but wasn't worth chucking out with the bathwater imo.

answer: femules in 2023!

[quote] a growing cohort of Gen Z women/girls are choosing to be stay-at-home wives & moms,

Women under 25 not being stay-at-home wives or mothers is not at all anything new, and I'm gonna say it's been that way for at least a generation, if not more.

The only people getting married at 25 or under = huge red flag.

Part of being the "who gives a fuck" generation includes not giving a fuck about having kids.

People don't know how to seduce. Or they don't want to, so they won't be blamed if things get sweaty. They just sit there.

Men are big babies and women have better things to do than being their mommy-whore

R207 I love how you say that as if young women are some great prize these days either.

These whiny little bitches aren't exactly the Rosie the Riveters of WWII, honey.

But they have vaginas R208. And straight men want access to them.

[quote]a growing cohort of Gen Z women/girls are choosing to be stay-at-home wives & moms,

My very bright 31 yo sister who went to U of Penn undergrad and Harvard Law school, and worked as a lawyer for five years, quit law and now post pictures of sandwiches she has made for her boyfriend who is in finance I believe.

R210 that's a pity. It's her own life and her choice, of course, but you can't help but think that out grandmothers didn't suffer in proverbial chains for this.

Out of curiosity, do you know why she decided to quit and become a stay-home wife? I could easily see changing careers, as law is an oversaturated profession and not the most fulfilling work, but to jack it in altogether when she has the brain and the drive (enough to survive the best law school) is odd. Did she think it would be like Ally McBeal and then got a culture shock?

E211 To be honest she is the youngest of four with three older brothers. She was always competitive and I think that is what drove her through school, to be the best, better than her brothers. But as you know in school you get grades, you pass, fail, matriculate. Once you're in the real world there is no patting you on the back for a job well done. You are just worked even harder if you prove that you can take it. She was working 100 hour weeks. She did it for years, it was killing her.

BUT the difference that women have that men don't is the option of tapping out for a bit and finding a boyfriend to at least buy them dinner. I don't think she has thrown in the towel altogether. And she has had boyfriends in the past. But the one that she has now, now that she is unemployed and living off of savings, all of a sudden seems super serious. It's not like she is living off of him, but I am sure he rounds out the rough edges during this moment of transition for her.

She wants to go into party planning of all things. But I don't think she has any idea how much hard work and hustle it takes to run your own business. No one is definitely patting you on the back. And it's hard to transition from getting paid 250k a year at 30 years old simply by following orders vs. scrounging for every penny yourself to make it happen. So I just see, once she realizes this, she'll be heading down the aisle soon thereafter. I am sure a lot of marriages were formed on the backs of a women's necessity to maintain a certain lifestyle.

She sounds pretty smart to quit R212. The work grind is only worth it if it makes you happy and let's get real, straight men who do it are trying to attract women. It does nothing for women trying to attract men, in fact it turns off a lot of men.

If I were a young pretty woman I'd latch on to the richest guy I could find and get an airtight prenup in case he leaves.

Very true R213, the first part. Never thought of it that way.