Anheuser-Busch has already lost more than $5 BILLION DOLLARS in value

Such bullshit

I feel like buying daily cans of Bud Lite even though I'm sure it's disgusting.

Possibly because "Bud Light" now has connotations of castration, mutilation, and penises being turned inside out to make "lady parts."

Go woke, go broke.

If posters here are to be believed, Larry Fink will reimburse them and then some.

😆

OP is a right-winger who linked to the New York Post

R2 = Kid Rock

R3 = Ted Cruz

How do they lose money if the idiots just switch to another Anheuser-Busch beverage? And they are not stock traders or shareholders, either.

Who drinks domestic anyways?

Dylan Mulvaney's act is insufferable, but so are the people who are freaking out because they don't understand how influencer partnerships work. 🤷🏻

R4 = TERF

R5 = NAZI

R7 =Transphobe

R8 = CUNT

R9 = Right wing Anti-trans troll

The pics of him as faux Audrey Hepburn are shocking.

How are Fortune 500 companies, the government and politicians taking shit seriously???

Drop the T

It's so shocking, no one could've seen red-necked young - boomer aged beer drinking men DONT want any ambiguity regarding their manliness reflected in the carbonated canned pig piss they call beer.

R10 I love trans advocates like you, changing hearts and minds

A friend of mine went out over the weekend with someone that works for the PR firm representing Anheuser-Busch. My friend filled me in on the details. It's an absolute total shitshow over at AB right now. As of the weekend, AB's strategy was to issue a statement mid week that was in essence a "non apology" but more of a "we understand" type of thing. Part two of their plan was to release a pivot type of ad/campaign in three weeks in hope to divert away from this in hopes that in time, it would die down. They used a "Colin Kappernic" type of analogy in one of their pitch meeting (not sure of their thinking behind that one). ???

It looks like they may have to step up their game from the looks of things because it certainly is a shit show over at Anheuser-Busch right now.

R4 here, and I think I got off rather lightly in R10!

I imagine Bud Light in a bottle can aid with dilation.

Yes, the reason institutional traders (the big holders and any major stock) cashed out was because of Mulvaney. That’s exactly it. They ignored the company’s financial fundamentals.

If you believe that, you should be riveted daily to Fox News.

I don't drink it, but I wouldn't give AF if I did. And I doubt anyone really does either. It's just the latest thing for bored people to pretend they care about.

How many extra cases of beer did the company think they were going to sell by marketing so prominently to the trans community? The number of lower class, beer drinking trannies seems like a very small niche market.

[quote]it certainly is a shit show over at Anheuser-Busch right now

You had me at shit show!

R10- And your a false-flag, fake trans advocate who is being paid by some conservative schill to make actual trans advocates look unstable.

Kisses.

Excuse me, *you're.

This was piss poor marketing.

I remember a few years ago they had a commercial for trans men marketing Gillette razors and that actually made a lot of sense because a lot of men today wear beards and they were opening their audience to trans men.

But trans women dressed like Aubrey Hepburn and Bud Light?

Come on.

I'm confused.

I see conservatives gloating about profit losses.

But then I see multiple reports of stock prices at a 52-week high.

There doesn't seem to be any objective reporting anywhere. Which is it?

The only really objective reporting will be their quarterly reports and annual report. Everything else is gonna be spin from one side or another.

Well, if Rupert Murdoch says it...

What's next, Jennifer Pritzker's fat ass on a Wheaties box?

A Missouri Budweiser distributor has canceled scheduled Clydesdale appearances in the wake of the Dylan Mulvaney controversy, citing safety concerns for their employees.

Loss of a bit more than 1% short term. Click bait. No big deal. And who really cares- they did the right thing.

I agree with the poster who said this was a poor PR campaign. It looks like they offended many of their long term customers. How popular is this Dylan person? Personally I find him/them annoying (don't know their pronouns) but I'm not the target audience. Who are AB trying to reach? Even people who have no issue with trans people like NY Times readers ,have expressed concerns about the pressure on young people to identify as trans. Did AB do any market research or focus groups before coming up with this campaign?

[quote] they did the right thing

How do you figure, dear?

R30, I have a hard time imagining any alcohol marketing as "the right thing." I drink myself, but carefully, because I know so many people, especially gay men, whose lives were destroyed by the stuff.

Ask yourself who cares about these influencers. It's mostly teenagers and very young adults. Many, if not most of them, are underage.

Like the cartoon camel designed to get kids hooked on cigarettes, the use of "influencers" is a cynical ploy to get young gay and transgender people hooked on a drug that's likely to end up destroying some of them.

99.9999999999999999999 % of their marketing is for “Straight Men” - how unbelievably insecure these men must be

I’ll drink it if there’s nothing else. Of the biggies, I prefer Stella or Modelo Especial. Crafts if there’s one I like.

When I dropped Anheuser-Busch, I also dropped sixty pounds. No regrets. But I DO love thst conservative loonies are so up in arms about this.

Except for Coors Miller it looks like most alcohol oriented brands lost value. AB the most, I would expect that more due to the forecast of hard times. AB is probably more dependent on lower incomes who will probably be hurt more with an economic slowdown. Imagine the trans controversy doesn’t help, but it’s probably just a side story.

But it’s not only conservatives who don’t agree with trans ideology.

Yes, if you're not 100% behind the trans craze, you MUST be a conservative. never mind that the trans have been doing their level best to erase women and gays for years, there's no other POSSIBLE reason for one to be skeptical of the trans movement other than conservatism.

I had never heard of this Dylan person either and it seems like this was just a casual, inclusive "why not" thing which went somewhat off of the rails because one demographic is desperate to talk about anything other than how bad their party sux.

From what I have seen, R30 is more correct than those who think this is a terrible campaign. The voices I trust are basically saying that "traditional beer sales" and their loyal customer base is shrinking as more people move on to hard seltzers, ciders and craft beers. There just isn't much market share to gain and those who have been with them for years/generations are literally dying.

Moreover, there's nowhere for the customer base to go. Coors has long been an LGBTQ ally. Lablatt? Corona?

I suspect that the reason that the only media sources on the supposed loss of income are the usual suspects--Fux, Daily Mail, NYPost--because they are trying to craft a story out of whole cloth, R14's friend's friend aside. While it is always safe to fly under the radar, heading into warmer weather and picnic season having your name on people's lips may not be as bad as it seems.

R40, no one is going to come out of this controversy saying, "Man, I feel like a Bud Light." Even if it does little to no damage, it was not a good idea.

Uh-oh....let's rethink that new campaign.

Oh the irony of people like R6 and R10 who respond by labeling others.

Respectfully disagree, R41.

Now is the time festivals, parades and concert venues are sorting out their orders for June.

Travis Tritt's tour rider < West Hollywood Festival of Pride

You can lead a fag to swill but you can't make him drink, R44.

I suspect this means that the Elliot Page “Stop Jock Itch” campaign is a no-go.

Yes, R46, but hopefully the folks at Massengill will hire Dylan to give that product a renaissance. Douche for a douche.

You had one job Alissa.

Thank you, R39. I'm an anti-capitalist, anti-racist, anti-fascist, anti-gun, pro-choice, pro-immigration, pro-universal healthcare and education, feminist, jewish gay man. Three years ago, I would have considered myself a progressive. But now because I'm not on the side of the TRAs, I'm called a right-wing nazi regularly.

The comments on that tweet ^ are a dumpster fire.

And if you Google her name, surprise! again it is the same rogues' gallery of The Daily Caller, Newsweek, The Washington Times, etc. attacking her without any of them addressing the content of her comments. The brand has been losing money because of its reputation. She was tasked with creating a permission slip for others outside of traditional demographic to enjoy the product.

The point is not to pull customers away from Miller Light but rather White Claw or Angry Orchard. Again, beer sales are down across the board and, giving a cursory look, there doesn't seem to be any evidence that InBev has lost any distribution contracts. Subsequently, do what are the chances that Bubby and Jr are going to NOT have a beer at the stadium because Bud has an exclusive contract?

R48 "She" looks MTF Trans.

going down like the titanic? wonder if they need a purser?

Re: the tweet in R48: No matter what direction you want to take your brand in, no matter how radical the 180 you are doing with your brand personality... it is never a good idea to go out of your way to insult your current customer base.

For those defending this woman's decision, how do you defend her attempt to aggressively shed the brand's current loyal customers instead of adding the new transgender customers to the existing customer base?

Is this a new thing they teach MBAs?

[quote] She was tasked with creating a permission slip for others outside of traditional demographic to enjoy the product.

She did a piss poor job of it. She chose the most irritating, divisive, and fake influencer persona. You can target a specific demo with your campaign but today you can't wall it off from the eyes of your core customers who will let you know what they think.

Have you actually tasted the beer? It’s shit.

[quote] it is never a good idea to go out of your way to insult your current customer base.

She did not insult anybody except people who are looking for a reason to feel insulted.

Her comments are about the perceptions of the brand. If your identity is subsumed by someone else's idea of a product you happen to enjoy, then you need to see counseling

Moreover, she specifically calls for inclusion, not subversion. Again, if you can't enjoy a product because someone else enjoys it as well, then you're just fucked up.

Adding to R54, most mass-market brands do niche marketing. It's standard practice. Coke markets to black singles, white couples, gay people, young people, etc. What they would not do, when trying to gain market share in a new market segment, is insult the existing market segments.

Aiming at a tiny niche is smart for a young, new brand that's trying to get noticed. Nasty Pig underwear is not trying to appeal to the fraus reading the supermarket magazines. I'm sure they'd be proud to say they are a leading cause of pearl-clutching among fraus.

But Bud Light is an old, rather staid mass market brand. Ultra-niche marketing is an awkward fit.

R57, her word salad is irrelevant at best - but in fact it is ignorant and ideological. 'Inclusion' doesn't mean what you think it means.

R57, I've never drunk Bud Light and have no plans to start. I'm not fratty either, although I'm sure Ms Heinerscheid would think I'm out of touch because I don't have TikTok and I don't watch influencers.

I'm not offended by any of this. I'm just a little curious and perplexed because it flies in the face of accepted marketing truisms.

If this turns out to increase market share -- and we won't know until official, audited numbers come out through official channels -- I'll be the first to admit Ms Heinerscheid knew exactly what she was doing.

I actually like Bud Light more than Budweiser

Yucky beer piss. So trashy. Why why why

12 y.o TikTokers don't buy beer ? I'm shocked !

R7, because the Internet makes it easy to learn what other products belong to them.

Bring back Spuds McKenzie

R1 What do you mean?

It seems contradictory.

Pffft. Elon Musk lost $200 BILLION and he's beloved by the MAGA, anti-trans, Bud hating crowd. If Anheuser Busch wants to appeal to that audience, make HIM the next spokesperson and let's go for broke!

R60, turns out she's also fratty:

Leaked pics show Bud Light exec who wants to update company’s ‘fratty’ culture enjoying fratty party

Alissa’s arrogance and obvious inexperience are the real issue here. She fucked up the number one rule of marketing: KNOW YOUR PRODUCT. Her clear distain for Bud Light comes through loud and clear. She should not be in her position.

Why isn't Dylan called a nepo baby? He should be. I'd like to see his background explored more.

[quote]They used a "Colin Kappernic" type of analogy

A what now?

Coors should hire an ex-gay.

The drop is more like $4B, not $5B.

[quote]Bud Light exec who wants to update company’s ‘fratty’ culture

You mean, the "fratty" culture that is it's entire market position? How does someone become VP of Marketing for a major brand like Bud Light and not know basic marketing or marketing strategy.

[quote]The estimated total pay for a Vice President Marketing at Anheuser-Busch InBev is $431,345 per year.

That's a fairly decent salary for someone utterly incompetent when it comes to marketing.

[quote] I'm just a little curious and perplexed because it flies in the face of accepted marketing truisms.

I stand by what I said before. The spirits industry has evolved to the point where young people coming of age have options beyond just what their dad & uncles drink as their entry into alcohol consumption.

Traditional marketing is' this beer vs. that beer'. This campaign is a reminder that beer (any beer) is still one of the options.

And why wouldn't niche marketing be a fit for a brand who's product category has very little presence? Just as product placement of something like Junior Mints on Seinfeld or any commercial with Martha Stewart and Snoop Dog together pulls in a more diverse customer base, having some relatively unknown influencer shill the product does NOTHING to the mass marketing except in the case of when people are looking to stoke their victim complex. I would wager there are other influencer campaigns out there that nobody is talking about because they're not a big ratings draw for the NYPost. An "insult" would have been to have put this Dylan character on billboards and a national campaign but they didn't do that--Dylan shared one clip on Dylan's social media. It's the right wing outrage machine that chose to make this bigger than that. To claim that Alyssa 'offed up because she allowed someone other than the "staid" demographic to consume the product just doesn't make sense. It's not as if she made Dylan the principle spokesperson. And ad hominem attacks against her appearance and video clips of her being "fratty" herself are distraction not counterargument.

Had this social media clip happened at any time when MTG and the Tennessee Taliban weren't backed into their caves licking their wounds nobody would have even noticed. So to say that she committed some kind of malpractice is absurd. I argue again that the fact that only the most partisan of media outlets --and trolls--are flogging the shit out of this indicates that this has yet to manifest as a full blown crisis. The GOP is about 23% of the general population and, what, maybe 30% (and dropping) of the core demographic for Bud Light. Most people won't care, some people will be encouraged and large numbers of people will still continue to do what they always do... drink it just because it's always there.

[quote]having some relatively unknown influencer shill the product does NOTHING to the mass marketing except in the case of when people are looking to stoke their victim complex.

This 'unknown' influencer was invited to meet POTUS in the fucking White House. Marketers have no excuse of 'not knowing' how divisive his public persona is.

He's now marketing Nike sports bras. Do you detect any parts of his anatomy that make him a bra-wearer? Selecting a non-bra wearing physique to promote bras is like selecting a tee-totaler to promote beer.

75% of the young people I know who do drink beer drink that craft shit. most young people i know arent drinkers,but damn if they arent fervent weed users. My nieces,nephews and all their assorted friends arent really partiers like we were. Most are in their 20s,mid 30s. I dont even understand them !

[quote] 75% of the young people I know who do drink beer drink that craft shit.

Exactly

Just like Tim Scott and Nikki Haley are running for Vice President

Who the fuck wants to deal with politics of any kind, when they just want a g-d beer?? Sheesh. Sick to death that everyG-D thing means Something Vital to Someone somewhere.

[quote] Who drinks domestic anyways?

Right?! You're supposed to spoon with them.

R75 maybe his billionaire grandfather is a Biden donor. That would explain it.

R74- Exactly. Her mistake wasn't bringing a trans influencer on board as part of a campaign that likely includes a dozen other young influencers. That, on its own, would arguably have been a smart move. Her mistakes were, 1) Explaining it the way she did after the fact, and 2) Not setting clearer parameters with Dylan Mulvaney as to how he should represent the brand in the first place. His constant, manic behavior makes him an easy target for anti-trans conservatives, and it's her job to be aware of that.

I call bullshit on having diversified spokespeople for liquors or beers, reaching untapped markets. Lack of representation has never stopped someone from buying a bottle of OE, on up to Remy Martin VSOP (or my personal second favorite, 1738). ABSOLUT had zero representation unless you identify as a bottle and that was one of the most successful liquor advertising campaigns in general, becoming an integral part of 90s pop culture.

I honestly don't know anyone aside from a few people over 60 who like Budweiser, PBR, Yuengling, Corona, and Guiness are brands I often have random bottles left from friends who drink beer. (Never liked the stuff myself, never will, although I'll make an exception for a Raspberry Lambec, really tastes nothing like beer, is quite sweet, delicious, but not something you'd want more than a glass of.

R81, it's not just conservatives he has offended. He's a trust fund baby doing womanface.

[quote]ABSOLUT had zero representation unless you identify as a bottle and that was one of the most successful liquor advertising campaigns in general, becoming an integral part of 90s pop culture.

OMG. The Absolut Pride campaigns are among the longest running and most LGBT inclusive ads in history. Have you never seen an Absolut OUT ad??

But that's the thing, R84, they did inclusion as it should be done. They didn't substitute some ersatz cosplayers for the real thing.

so, this works better than rehab

and we only need to make trans the spokesperson for everything from transfats to drugs?

R86, why would they have a man with no breasts selling bras to women?

R7 Falling stock prices can be temporary, but still have to do with market confidence in the brand. People selling off their shares to get out because they don't like where things are headed. Company decisions need to show strength, stability, and growth. Anything that shows a major shift in brand values or identity, lower sales, lower profits, higher spending, higher employee turnover, higher layoffs needed, or even stagnant quarterly results when growth was expected can all affect a company's stock market value and in the long run, its overall market share. If the stock price dips below a certain threshold then board members will really have some work to do.

Watch Succession and pay attention to finance news. Tech company layoffs, Musk's Twitter-Tesla drama, Zuckerberg's Meta headache, record profits at certain medical companies due to higher demand during Covid, media company mergers and acquisitions, drama with major banks failing - it's all out there.

They lost 5 billion in market valuation but still have 125 billion market value.

Gay men pushing anti-gay messaging.

On a gay discussion board.

Fucking pathetic.

All the white gay progressives better buy up Bud Light to support their transgender cult.

Stock value can fluctuate (within reason) and is different from overall market share. When they start to lose the latter then it is time to really worry.

R84 my wording was poor, they've AFAIK, only associated one real face with the brand (the grandfather of vodkas, if you will).

R90:

Gay man pushing anti-gay messaging.

For a beer company.

Fucking pathetic.

There are articles about these companies getting credits with LGBTQ groups and in turn getting huge loans from banks who look to those groups. Basically, they do it for money, not from the public but from other groups and banks. It’s one big mess.

r90 this site is only gay when people want to use it to say even the gays agree with me or they don't want to criticize the numerous trolls that come here and instead use us as their mutual whipping boys. In all cases, gay men lose because they remain hated by terfs, tras and their allies alike.

the problem with TRAs wasn't trans but rather the numerous groups that piggybacked and created a divide between tucutes and truscum, parents, of course, loved having a tucute. the juicy couture of babies. . . if you want to blame anyone, blame fraudom.

Surely I'm not the only one here old enough to remember an ad campaign for Smirnoff Vodka featuring both cartoon and graphic photos of 1998 International Mr. Leather, Dr. Tony Mills.

Here's the bigger picture:

Since March 31, shares of Bud Light’s parent company have fallen by nearly 4% — knocking down the company’s market capitalization from $132.38 billion to $127.13 billion on Wednesday.

I'm sure A-B is simply distraught over this. *eyeroll*

I can't think of even one good reason why a popular, yet slightly down-market beer would seek out a barely known kooky trans to represent their product. It makes zero sense!

R52, I think you are right. Linebacker shoulders, jaw, brow ridge...hmmm...

“Get woke, go broke,” has become a rallying cry of the political right whenever they see a brand make the slightest effort to align itself with liberal or progressive values. It’s a meme that allows MAGA country to believe that there is ongoing, massive backlash to products that acknowledge and celebrate marginalized communities. But the supposed boycotts never seem to be reflected in the bottom line.

Besides, by the time we would expect to notice any effect, conservatives have already moved on to the next outrage. Kid Rock and Travis Tritt declared war this week against brewer Anheuser-Busch for a Bud Light partnership with trans actor Dylan Mulvaney, yet the focus has already shifted to the whiskey Jack Daniel’s because of its ad campaign featuring drag queens — which happens to be from 2021.

[quote] With all the companies these grievance peddlers are busy trying to destroy, it’s none too surprising that some have slipped through the cracks. Though the U.S. economy is facing headwinds and earnings may be down across the board for the first fiscal quarter of 2023, there’s ample evidence that major brands tend to easily weather anti-woke furor.

[...]

[quote] The threats from conservatives have had no measurable effect whatsoever. It’s almost like being “woke” — to the degree that the right can even define such a quality — won’t sink your business. But hey, I’m no accountant.

Michelob needs to hire a transracialist.

R98 Apples and oranges. If Jim Beam (for instance) had successfully featured Tony as the face of an ad campaign, you might have a leg to stand on in comparing it to Bud Light, but Smirnoff Vodka (and really, vodka in general) has always been a gay fan favorite. In fact, vodka could easily be considered the official liquor of the gay scene. Smirnoff has been an outspoken supporter of the gay scene for decades. Absolut was an avid supporter of gay and lesbian rights and culture as early as the 80's. SKYY has also been devoted to LGBTQ causes for ages.

The thing about Dylan is “they” have a huge following on TikTok. I believe it’s 10 million.

Dylan only has 20k subscribers on YouTube and about 1.1 million followers on Instagram.

The difference between TikTok and Instagram and YouTube is there’s a difference in the entertainment value.

A lot of TikTok stars are NOT “social media influencers”. TikTok has a lot of freak shows that Gen Z enjoy watching and making fun of.

Dylan falls under the latter.

The fact that Kamala Harris wrote a congratulatory letter to Dylan on his First 100 Days of Being a Woman instead of visiting the border is insane.

It's time for Labatte Blue Light to shine!

FR though; everyone should know those light beers exist to basically cater to alcoholics.

[quote]Dylan Mulvaney's act is insufferable, but so are the people who are freaking out because they don't understand how influencer partnerships work.

Oh, I think they know. Everyone who has been insisting that Dylan is now "the face of Bud Light" or says something like "this explains why Nike's clothes for women never fit women very well" knows that they're pushing hyperbole and propaganda. They're just trying to hoodwink low-information and gullible people.

[quote]The fact that Kamala Harris wrote a congratulatory letter to Dylan on his First 100 Days of Being a Woman instead of visiting the border is insane.

R106 wants you to vote for Trump.

R33 Fun fact: alcohol marketing is banned here in Norway. I think it's fair. I agree with it.

"out of touch humor" = Bud Light drinkers are white men who laugh at racist and misogynistic jokes.

Alissa H. stupidly takes to social media to defend herself, and only gets in deeper shit. Anheuser-Busch should have a legion of PR people (or flak-catchers on retainer) who should be doing this, but they seem to be nowhere.

“Trans ideology”?

Budweiser is betting that human equality is a better “brand” than bigotry. What are some of you afraid of? Why do you think you can tell others who they are? Why do you want to? Why do you think you know better?

It is profoundly depressing to see so much prejudice directed at a tiny minority on a gay chat board. You would hope that gay men and women would have the brains not to do to others what has been done to them.

Transgender rights are human rights.

^100%, charlie. Well said.

What rights don't they have? Why do they think they can reshape reality for their fantasies?

They probably made the right move - ten years from now, most of the people who are mad about this will be dead, and any trans skepticism will be even more harshly ostracized than it is today.

[quote]Transgender rights are human rights.

According to whom?

[quote] According to whom?

The American Medical Association Journal of Ethics

What rights don't they have?

Healthcare in some states to start R118, for starters- educate yourself.

R116, why would you want to deny to others human right you have? Perhaps, if you are gay and out, you should be fired from your job like it was 1960. And perhaps you should be denied health care as Gov DeSantos is doing in FLA…

The bigger question, why do you want to discriminate against transgender people? How do they infringe on your life?

Chances are you know one or two but don’t even know that they are trans.

You’re so silly.

You can't shove trans shit down people's throats and think it will end well. It was a stupid move on AB's part. Can we move on from the gender confusion for a while? It's causing more harm than good and I fear a backlash is brewing that could harm young people.

R119 Everyone has access to healthcare in America. Do you mean for off label untested drugs? Or chopping body parts off?

Trans will never be mainstream and accepted R115 Go dilate your wound.

I think I've finally blocked all of the bigots here. All of the right posts are gone from this thread.

Stop engaging the trolls. You're only encouraging them to stay and post more.

Charlie, you've always been a scumbag.

[quote]What rights don't they have?

The right to force us to believe that a woman can have a penis for starters.

R124 “I’m hanging onto my opinions by a thread and I know that some logic might prevail, so I must live in an echo chamber so my reality created by Yassss Kweens, that will keeps pushing my moral boundaries, isn’t questioned! Weerq da boots da house down! Yassss! Yasssss, Sis!”

R124 will be supporting Pedo & Scat Pride when the “progressives” aka the Right-Wing psyOp puppets roll those agendas out in 2025, in their last attempt to end the LGB-T movement.

Yasssss Kweeen!!!! Yasssss!!!!!!

A good buddy is director of sales for a local beer distributor that carries AB-Inbev products. The company is in the South, and most of the employees are hunters and Trump supportes.

Sales of AB-Inbev products have never been stronger. While some individual small gas stations are not carrying Bud Light this month, the sales of Bud Heavy (regular red/white/blue Bud) and other AB-I items are up. There has been no change in orders for the supermarkets which sell most of the off-premise product.

Take the Fox News reports of sales losses with a big grain of salt.

R129 oh please, this month’s sales numbers are not out. What a liar. Also, this boycott is gaining steam.

I would expect the backlash to be against Bud Light, and not other Budweiser products.

They support Gay Reinterpretation aka Gay Erasure via Trans’ing! Yassssss!

The Company's brand portfolio includes global brands, such as Budweiser, Corona and Stella Artois; international brands, including Beck's, Leffe and Hoegaarden, and local champions, such as Bud Light, Skol, Brahma, Antarctica, Quilmes, Victoria, Modelo Especial, Michelob Ultra, Harbin, Sedrin, Klinskoye, Sibirskaya Korona, Chernigivske, Cass and Jupiler.

Here's our newest slogan. Suck it, haters!

"The Butt's for YOU!"

R112 holy shit, you really think that's what that's about? You think companies give a shit? Do you also think it's a coincidence that a a billionaires grandkid is the face of all these brands instead of the many other trans women out there that would've been more appropriate? (if it really was about "equality" that is...).

Once again, this has nothing to do with Bud Light being progressive, not any other company. They picked something that's dividing the country right now (look at the laws passing, the debate over sports, etc) and are using it to push people a certain way politically. Why? Because companies are all about those sweet tax breaks and deregulation. You should be disgusted actually that companies are using trans people (if you do in fact feel that passionate) and manipulating the public.

And once again I'm horrified that fellow liberals are falling for this crap. Supporting a super wealthy privileged white (bio) male, that's exploiting how easy it is to identify as whatever you want gender wise, while ignoring what this will look like to middle Americans that are Dem or on the fence.

No they (those on the fence or not fully on board with gender stuff) won't be all dead soon either R115. That's the biggest mistake you youngsters are going to make thinking that way. For one, there's plenty of boomers still not old enough to even retire (let alone die off in 10 yrs) with the youngest being about 58. You're greatly overestimating how positive people (esp 30s on up) feel about this. I'm in my 30s and we'll tell you now, I'm supportive of trans people having human rights (healthcare, job protection, etc) but not fully onboard with the whole conflating sex with gender identity (sports, prisons, etc). I think that's something that needs to be looked at carefully, esp when anyone can say their trans just like Dylan has -- didn't bother transitioning AT ALL. No feminine name change, surgeries (bs they did their face fem), no hormones, etc. I highly suspect Dylan is a plant to screw LGBTQ.

Well, we didn't know!

'No one at a senior level' was aware Bud Light had made the 'mistake' of partnering with trans influencer Dylan Mulvaney - as parent company Anheuser-Busch loses $6BN in six days

R137 well they'll play that card now that they got people upset and thinking about the topic. They totally accomplished everything I've been saying about causing a further rift in America because I'm guessing there were some Bud Light drinkers that didn't feel one way or another about trans issues until this drama got them thinking about it. They can make it look like an oops to their loyal customers, but keep a progressive point under their belt. Manipulative corporate fucks.

^ stealth link to Daily Mail...

Serious question: What is the polling and/or reporting on what "the middle" thinks? I honestly don't know.

Conservatives hate trans because conservatives are bullies and many gay men hate trans because...well...because.

But does the other 75% of America really care? Like, at all?

[quote] any trans skepticism will be even more harshly ostracized than it is today.

That’s Orwellian. Is that a goal of yours? “Stop thinking or we’ll exclude you”?

R139, here is one poll. But keep in mind this was before the Nashville child murders and the Dylan Mulvaney controversy:

Majority of Americans reject anti-trans bills, but support for this restriction is rising

A majority of Americans oppose restrictions on LGBTQ+ people, yet the latest PBS NewsHour/NPR/Marist poll shows support for such laws is growing as many Republican state and local lawmakers pursue hundreds of bills targeting LGBTQ+ rights around the country.

Forty-three percent of Americans now say they support laws that criminalize the act of providing gender-transition-related medical care to minors, according to the latest poll, marking a 15-percentage point increase since April 2021.

The right is lying with statistics.

In actuality, the entire stock market took a downturn during the few days mentioned (since 3/31). Anheuser-Busch lost 4%, which is actually better than most stocks.

What the article neglects to tell you is that the stock surged after 3/20 from $60 to $67, prior to dropping to about $64.

None of it is real money. Overall, A-B is doing pretty well

[quote] A majority of Americans oppose restrictions on LGBTQ+ people, yet the latest PBS NewsHour/NPR/Marist poll shows support for such laws is growing as many Republican state and local lawmakers pursue hundreds of bills targeting LGBTQ+ rights around the country.

This just shows how quickly a political party can gin up anger about a minority but constantly pushing that LGBTQ is bad for kids. Overnight and on a dime,

I’m not part of that majority from R141. I will reject trans rights until ex-gay rights and transracial rights are included.

[quote]many gay men hate trans because...well...because.

Wrong, r139.

How absolutely disgusting that Kid Rock actually shoots beer cans because of the link of Bud to a transgender social media star.

He's signaling to everyone that she is worthless and should be shot.

Trans is 0.6% of the population. The right is pretending they are taking over the world, just as the right did with gays.

You’re right, R145, that’s why you should never trust gays in public office. Fuck no.

[quote] The fact that Kamala Harris wrote a congratulatory letter to Dylan on his First 100 Days of Being a Woman instead of visiting the border is insane.

This is like the "Obama, show us your report card" BS. The GOP makes up "invasion at the border!!" and demands that Biden and Kamala visit the border to pretend that made-up controversy is real.

The conservative states are so gerrymandered that in states with 50/50 Dem-GOP, the GOP controls everything and passes BS laws to bow to the evangelicals and gun lobby.

Will Kid Rock be fine if A-B creates a partnership with the NRA, which pushes the number one killer of kids, guns?

A-B made a great decision--partner with someone who has 10 million social media followers.

[Quote] [bold]ten years from now[/bold], most of the people who are mad about this will be dead

r115 Very funny. Most of the people who will be closer to death here would be notoriously far-left, blindly pro-T "Elder"gay progressives like your "charlie" (and other similar rabid ones who happily disclosed their olllld age)

[quote] He's signaling to everyone that she is worthless.

Explain to me how Dylan Mulvaney ISN'T worthless.

Ad Age: “Anheuser-Busch works with hundreds of influencers across our brands as one of many ways to authentically connect with audiences across various demographics,” the brand said in a statement. “From time to time we produce unique commemorative cans for fans and for brand influencers, like Dylan Mulvaney. This commemorative can was a gift to celebrate a personal milestone and is not for sale to the general public.”

Still, Bud Light has been particularly quiet on social media, not having posted on Twitter, Instagram or Facebook since April 1.

[quote] Explain to me how Dylan Mulvaney ISN'T worthless.

You sound like a bully. Likely, a Russian bully.

[quote]Most of the people who will be closer to death here would be notoriously far-left, blindly pro-T "Elder"gay progressives like your "charlie" (and other similar rabid ones who happily disclosed their olllld age)

Just like the hard-right anti-vaxxers.

[quote] Still, Bud Light has been particularly quiet on social media, not having posted on Twitter, Instagram or Facebook since April 1.

Yet Kid Rock's video didn't become big until about 4/4

I don't even know who Dylan is. I do live in a cave so there's that.

[quote] Explain to me how Dylan Mulvaney ISN'T worthless.

Exactly what people say about gays as they bash us

Love the free Bud Plug in R128's video. A-B needs to include them in every 6 pack..Bud plug Genius.

Can I shoot Kid Rock posters now?

^ I'd take out your Bud Plug first, sometimes things up your ass, can effect your aim.

R112 charlie, you’re a fucking moron. It’s beer. Absolutely no-one wants “life lessons” from a beer.

[quote] Exactly what people say about gays as they bash us

Except gays don't want to erase women or other gays and lesbians, so there goes your logic.

[quote] You sound like a bully. Likely, a Russian bully.

And what would you call all the peacenik TRAs who are threatening to murder "TERFs" dear?

We'll wait.

R142:

[quote] Kev doesn’t understand the job market because it’s been decades since he had a job.

One thing I've been seeing consistently on this thread (and on DL in general) is conflating gay recognition/rights with trans recognition/"rights."

They have very little to do with each other.

First, no one, not even the insanest bigot, denies that men can be gay. Even Fred Phelps, with his "God hates gays" picket signs, admitted that gay men exist. But many, many people deny that men can become women.

Second, gay people have only ever wanted the rights straights had -- the right to marry, the right to live without fearing retaliation just for who they are. Trans people want rights straights don't have -- for example, the right for people with working penises to be in women-only spaces, including homeless shelters and prisons.

Third, if you want to imagine how the majority of Americans probably feel about trans, just look at DL. I don't think there's a single person here, unless a day-tripping tourist from Lipstick Alley, who isn't a full supporter of all the rights gay people currently have. But so many here, including even liberals and progressives, are very concerned with the excesses of the trans push. Why is that? Do trans and their cheerleaders ever stop to wonder?

Dylan Mulaney is an elite nepo baby mocking working people. No wonder SJWs love him.

What fancy prep school did Dylan attend? Was it a boarding school? Have any of his classmates talked about him?

FWIW, R168, I do stop to wonder.

And every time I come back to feeling that everyone deserves to be loved and protected.

While I may feel that a disproportionately large percentage of the loud trans movement is insincere, I cannot, nor will not, abandon the others who very largely may be the ones most in need of whatever help I can give. It pains me that I have to chose. But since I must, I chose to not hate.

^ Choose

Women don't deserve to be mocked. Kids don't deserve to be targeted. We all get to choose based on our own values.

R171, no hate necessary. Nobody here is talking about hate or crusading against trans. It's disingenuous to say we are.

I see two main groups of trans people now.

First, young people and even young children who are uncomfortable in their skin for whatever reason, and are being pushed into a solution before they are legally mature enough to drive cars, vote, or even have sex. And they are being sterilized for life, and medicalized for life.

Second, autogynephiles who are primarily straight men that get off on imitating/mocking women and being in their spaces.

I know there are other trans people who are far less visible, but those are the types that dominate the current push.

The first, the children -- my heart weeps for them. How anyone could hate them, I don't know.

The second, the autogynephiles -- I don't hate them, I just think they need to be pushed back behind the boundaries that women have to protect them from men. Those boundaries were slim enough, and now they're dissolving.

Again, framing this as a "You choose hate! I choose love!" binary is disingenuous.

Agree with R174. R171 comes off as holier-than-thou yet where is their compassion for the kids getting caught up in the trans machine?

R112, how would you feel if a straight man suddenly declared he was gay and became a lisping, mincing 1950s stereotype to sell a product?

Gays and the hard left would flip if Coors hired an ex-gay. I would love it.

[quote] Leaked pics show Bud Light exec who wants to update company’s ‘fratty’ culture enjoying fratty party

Clearly, she knows of what she speaks.

Horse-faced Millennial cow.

Why do corporations entrust billions of dollars into the hands of children?

[quote] While I may feel that a disproportionately large percentage of the loud trans movement is insincere, I cannot, nor will not, abandon the others who very largely may be the ones most in need of whatever help I can give. It pains me that I have to chose. But since I must, I chose to not hate.

Oh, make no mistake, sweets, you choose to hate, you just won't admit it. You choose to hate women who are having their rights taken from them in favor of men dressing up in panties and bras. You choose to hate gay & lesbian children who are being pushed towards becoming trans because their parents can't handle having gay children. If you don't understand that the trans movement is looking for much, much more than equality, then you need your head examined.

[quote] Anheuser-Busch has already lost more than $5 BILLION DOLLARS in value

And they said that I was Box Office Poison!

At least I never lost $5 Billion for a company.

R99 Losing market cap IS the bigger worry in the long term. No major stockholders of a publicly traded company want that to happen. This thread is a mess, but see: R88 R89 R102 R129 & R142 for better context on the financial realities of the situation. All this other noise about red vs blue is less interesting to me, because it's emotional politics and not representative of what is really driving business decisions at the highest levels.

r78 it's called communism. we must now agree that biological men are women and vice versa or we get humiliated:

"Political correctness is communist propaganda writ small. In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, nor to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is to co-operate with evil, and in some small way to become evil oneself. One’s standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to."

—Theodore Dalrymple

R89 are you insane???

Anyone who thinks that a $5 Billion loss in value is "no big deal," is just nuts.

There are rumors that top management was taken unawares by this endorsement, that they are pissed, and that they are pausing ads and social media for Bud Light to regroup.

This could all be bullshit, of course. It could be that senior management/C-suite are delighted with the controversy and the coverage it brings. After all, there's no such thing as bad publicity.

If they double down with more Dylan/trans influencers, we'll know they consider it successful. If they publicly backtrack, explain, or attempt to disavow the campaign, we'll know they consider it a failure.

And, of course, as I said before, official audited numbers will eventually come out, and they will tell a fairly unbiased story.

This is just the most "WTF?" product partnership deal. Bud Light drinkers are lower class MAGA types. How in the world did AB think this Dylan person would appeal to that crowd?

One may forget that ‘lite’ was once targeted at women & possibly gays to begin with. No self respecting he-man pre 2000 would be caught dead with one.

NOW, they want to own ‘lite’ exclusively

Beer will really put weight on you. I never drink it.

Repped by CAA. I have to admit I've got grudging respect for Dylan's game. I wonder how Dylan keeps that manic energy up. I'm exhausted just watching. He's an energy vampire!

R147 that may be true but they’re taking all the attention, like a certain other demographic

[quote] Except gays don't want to erase women or other gays and lesbians, so there goes your logic.

Either does trans so there goes your logic

Says the white gay man^.

[quote] Losing market cap IS the bigger worry in the long term.

A 5-day period when the entire market went down is hardly a sign of losing market share

[quote] Either does trans so there goes your logic

Now you're just straight out lying. I don't even need to provide proof because it's all over the place. Go choke on your dilating wand, you piece of shit.

Most Butt Light drinkers think TikTok is the sound the clocks at Grandma's house make.

Some of these people are so brainwashed they won’t be satisfied till the only people left on earth are Neurodivergent, Disabled Trans BIPOCs that are disfigured. Race to the bottom and nothing to aspire to be. Sick post-modern world with too much time on their hands.

You have to love the Liberal Arts degree holders, who want for nothing, have plenty of food (as apparent in their obesity), party all night at the local “Queer” bar, sleep in until 3pm, scream about equity constantly, scroll and post to TikTok all day, would walk right up to an elderly wheat farmer in Iowa, who gets up at 4:30am every morning and makes sure there is flour to make the fatasses’ Pop-Tarts, and these psycho fucks would spit in right his “old cis white male” face just for existing.

Deranged. Is the aqua hair dye toxic?

R40 is the only few people itt that makes a salient point. Boosting their post because, as usual, the thread devolved into a deranged anti-trans troll pissing match.

To try to get this thread to back to some sense of normalcy: "traditional" beer sales are down, and are in danger of losing further market share as younger drinkers prefer hard seltzer, ciders, and craft (usually locally brewed) beers. Don't forget Gen Z and how their drink of choice is literally Kool-Aid & various liquors in a gallon jug. It was a marketing decision to advertise an staid product to a new generation. That in and of itself I find more problematic, as Mulvaney has many under-aged followers, and as also mentioned in a rare non-troll post up-thread, I don't find alcohol advertising intoxicating when I know how many lives the product has ruined, myself included at one time. Absolut marketing to gays killed many of us-- these people don't advertise to us because they like us, they just want us to buy their literally toxic product. That AB InBev are trying to get kids to drink Bud Lite is the real controversy; all this trans-scandal is just noise perpetuated by the right-wing to further erode all civil rights in this country.

[quote]LGBTQ ally

What is an “LGBTQ ally”?

R40 it’s because this Dylan thing is making a mockery of everything: Women, Trans, Gay

It is a cartoon, not a person.

R193 read R182 They've ALREADY lost market cap/share separate from the $6B loss in stock market value. I'd be more concerned about the downward trend in market cap from recent years than what the stock market does on a weekly or quarterly basis.

[quote] I don't even need to provide proof because it's all over the place.

Translation- "I saw it on tiktok"

Ana Kasparian doubles down after bashing trans-inclusive term ‘birthing persons’ as ‘degrading’ to women

Riley Gaines would 'LOVE' to debate Megan Rapinoe on trans athletes days after 'faux feminist' jibe

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

Where are the TRAs going to fall on this story?

Joe Rogan slammed by fans for defending Bud Light over Dylan Mulvaney sponsorship

I can’t wait for a Powder like student, with Bs and Cs on their transcript, to claim they’re black and transracial on their ivy league college application, and they get ACCEPTED. I will support that student completely. That’s true progress. That’s an incredibly progressive, sane, and ethical society.

[quote]How in the world did AB think this Dylan person would appeal to that crowd?

They didn't think it would appeal to that crowd. They were seeking a new, younger crowd. Bud light is a dinosaur in the beer world. Only alcoholics and old rednecks drink it. And as someone mentioned above, younger folks go for the craft beers. So they wanted to introduce Bud light to a younger audience.

They lost a few deplorables as customers. It's way too early to say if they've picked up younger drinkers or what the net impact on their sales will be. Considering it was a one off promotion, I doubt it will have much affect on sales at all. But they're continuing to partner with other young influencers, so in the long run, it may pay off for them.

It doesn't seem logical that anyone would go from craft beer to the pisswater that is Bud Light just to prove a point and to 'do the right thing', and it almost seems like self-abuse IMO, but to be On The Right Side Of History involves some tough actions to take.

WhenTH did Beer become a political statement? Or even worse. When did Beer become the hallmark/benchmark of one's morality??

I'm finding it just a bit hard to swallow that people are giving up their favorite beer because a tranny somewhere got some free ones.

R209, where have you been? EVERYTHING is a purity test. Every fucking thing you do is broadcasting whether you're one of the "good ones" or one of the "bad ones."

The beer you drink, the stores you shop in, the type of bags you use when you shop, the car you drive, the browser you use and the sites you browse, the food you eat, the TV shows you watch, the coffee you drink, the shape of the fuckin' dook you shit out in the morning -- it's all political now. Kinda totalitarian, but it seems most people like it that way. For your sake, I hope you are one of the Good Ones, citizen.

[quote] it’s because this Dylan thing is making a mockery of everything: Women, Trans, Gay. It is a cartoon, not a person.

And yet cartoon characters get ad deals all the time and no one shoots up the product in hatred.

I think the problem is the person who's shooting up the product

[quote] [R193] read [R182] They've ALREADY lost market cap/share separate from the $6B loss in stock market value

Loss in marketshare can't be determined over a week.

What is the Trans Browser?

It’s the trans-google^.

[quote] WhenTH did Beer become a political statement? Or even worse. When did Beer become the hallmark/benchmark of one's morality??

When one is shooting up cans of beer because he doesn't like the person portrayed on the cans, the immoral one is pretty clear to me

[quote] I'm finding it just a bit hard to swallow that people are giving up their favorite beer because a tranny somewhere got some free ones.

It's the same people who instigated a coup against the US government so there you go

Just 20 years ago, The Ellen Show was boycotted (as well as anyone who appeared on her coming out show) specifically because she was the lesbian.

Here we are and it's the same shit

R218 No, it is not. Ellen was not a mockery of a woman.

Ellen claimed she was a lesbian, which is objectively true (and nobody disputed it).

She did not claim she was a man, which would have been objectively untrue.

Shut the fuck up, R220. I'm so tired of reading your transphobic garbage here.

[quote] They probably made the right move - ten years from now, most of the people who are mad about this will be dead

Yes, R115, and all the trans-loons will have "de-transitioned" and found a new fad to follow.

R221 Twiggered.

Trans are political poison.

If you want your business to be successful, steer CLEAR of them.

American advertisers would have you believe that the American people are in favor of all of this.

Guess what? They're not. It's all slick media advertising.

Americans are fairly conservative, in general.

Not only that, but this is not an important issue affecting most peoples' lives.

So they'd rather not hear about it.

[Quote] Ellen claimed she was a lesbian, which is objectively true (and nobody disputed it). She did not claim she was a man, which would have been objectively untrue.

And yet the right wing targeted her.

This just shows the right will target anything for political gain, whether gay or trans, just to scare people.

[Quote] American advertisers would have you believe that the American people are in favor of all of this.

Just like gays

R225 They really did not target her show, the ratings of which were shit forever.

[Quote] Americans are fairly conservative, in general.

Yeah, sure. That’s why the last election went Dem as the GOP pushed its anti-anything left cultural agenda

[Quote] So they'd rather not hear about it.

Exact reasoning used against gays asking for representation in the media and equal right. EXACTLY

[Quote] They really did not target her show, the ratings of which were shit forever.

Yes, not only did they target her show but they pushed to blacklist the actors who appeared on her coming out show including Oprah and Laura Dern.

[Quote] No, it is not. Ellen was not a mockery of a woman.

Yet, still, the trolls came after her.

Ellen wasn't mocking women. That's why she didn't upset liberal women.

The conservatives, R231. And Elton John.

Transgenderism is even more conservative than ex-gay. Both are conservative ideologies, but transgenderism goes deeper: physical, emotional, spiritual.

I should say transgender is physically irreparable^.

[quote]Yet, still, the trolls came after her.

Trolls and far right will come after anyone and everyone. But the objects of their attacks should be evaluated on their own merits and on their own ideology.

r227 Jerry Farwell, which branded her Ellen DeGenerate, pressured General Motors, Chrysler and Johnson & Johnson to withdraw their sponsorship of the show.

Yes, the ratings would have tanked on its own... but you can't deny the religious reich targeted her show.

the protests against the documentary "It's Elementary: Talking About Gay Issues in School" in 1996... also captured the religious reich's fire as it was being distributed in public schools.

^ it had a sequel in 2007

[quote]According to whom?

Anybody who isn't a rancid cunt. Next stupid question?

Gotta love the eldergays going back to 1996

Didn't you anti-trans obsessives know that Spuds MacKenzie was really a female dog, that BITCH. Parading around as some kind of party stud when she was really having puppies. The horror! Where was the controversy back then? Oh wait, you right-wing culture warriors were out there, even back then....

Careful, R244, if you stop dilating too long to post your screeds your wound will close up.

R245, the only part of my body that dilates are my eyes, whenever I have to scroll past your screeching, inane, and bigoted posts.

I wish those wounds of yours would close up, too.

The right is really trying to spin this into existence. It's not happening. No one outside of RWNJ echo chambers is even aware.

The CEO has issued a statement. Damned if I can tell whether he's backing the Mulvaney thing or backing away from it.

Typical line-toeing corporatespeak, if you ask me.

Here's the statement, if any of you can figure out what the fuck it means, other than nothing.

And here's Junior Trump telling his follower (does he have any, other than his dad?) to stop the boycott.

What's his angle? It's gotta be something.

-- He's got a transwoman side piece and he's trying to soften the blow when it comes out?

-- He's holding a long position on Anheuser Busch stock?

-- He thinks this will be a "see, I'm tolerant!" talking point when he runs for POTUS, some time in the godforsaken future?

Have the RWNJ's been informed of the Pride-related ad campaigns of [bold]EVERY MOTHERFUCKING BEER BRAND[/bold] for the past 25 years??

Or are we just trying to push the transpanic button for political gain and profit?

The Martin Niemöller poem needs an update:

First they came for the trans-people, and I did not speak out-- for I was not a trans-person.

Then they came for the drag queens, and I did not speak out-- for I was not a drag queen.

Then they came for the HIV+, and I did not speak out-- for I was not HIV+.

Then they came for me-- and there was no one left to speak for me.

So this little cunt is a trust fund brat from a fabulously wealthy Southern California family who's never had to work a day in his life and only got attention for documenting his transition on Tiktok? Is that correct?

Kathleen Madigan has my favorite take on TikTok

[quote] First they came for the trans-people

I wish.

See you in Hell, you bigoted scum, R255

Wishing genocide on a people? F&Fs for all your dumb posts.

[quote] Wishing genocide on a people?

Yes, the trans NEVER do that. NEVER.

Just another F&F to give to Muriel. Keep 'em coming babe.

Megyn Kelly having a very interesting conversation with Kellie-Jay Keen "Posie Parker".

Megyn Kelly is joined by Kellie-Jay Keen “Posie Parker,” founder of the group "Standing For Women," to discuss how YouTuber Mr. Beast’s co-star Chris Tyson public transition, Tyson’s disturbing pedoish and misogynistic tweets were uncovered last night. They also discuss Lia Thomas’ alleged “autogynephilia” sexual fetish, and more.

In this video, Megyn Kelly says she always uses preferred pronouns but Kellie-Jay Keen explains to her why she needs to stop doing it.

[quote]Anheuser-Busch has already lost more than $5 BILLION DOLLARS in value

Perhaps they should go on RPDR.

R255 Oh, honey, we all do.

Polarization in America Leading Those on the Left to Become Politically Homeless Over Trans Issue

I’m politically homeless, but there are some decent Democrats out there, you just have to look. No decent candidate is hard left. That’s a Blue Trumper.

Don Lemon weighs in on Dylan Mulvaney Bud Light controversy

Youse guys know this happened, right?

Yes, R266:

Beer Drinkers Everywhere Torch ‘Pathetic’ Anheuser-Busch Statement: ‘Literally Multiple Paragraphs of NOTHING’

Beer giant succeeds in uniting Americans of all political stripes – perhaps not like it hoped

No worries. Dylan is living it up at the Four Seasons Hotel in LA.

R255 is wishing genocide on trans people. F&F.

[quote]Go woke, go broke.

You mean like the NFL and Starbucks and Keurig and Disney and every other fucking thing "boycotted" by the right? Seriously, how fucking stupid are you? I've got no problem with trans save a few exceptions, but even I knew this was a stupid fucking move considering most of their customer base is white trash and bros.

You idiots need to stop using that line because you can't actually point to the other companies that are accused of "going woke" who've lost due to right-wing *cancel culture*

[quote]I’m politically homeless, but there are some decent Democrats out there, you just have to look. No decent candidate is hard left. That’s a Blue Trumper.

Christ, you're an idiot tantamount to a libertarian. You can't actually point to any legislation that reflects your hysteria and you're essentially pulling a "both sides." You're not politically homeless. You just like to pretend someone took a sledgehammer to your house when all they did is put a welcome mat out for people who are demonized and you don't like that fact.

R268 That Girl.

From the DM:

But who is this 26-year-old who finds herself in the eye of yet another trans hurricane?

Born in San Diego, California, in 1996, Mulvaney comes from a privileged background.

Her grandfather James Mulvaney Snr was a prominent investment banker, lawyer and former President of the San Diego Padres baseball team.

He also worked for the crooked financier and industrialist C. Arnholt Smith who was a close friend, and one of the earliest backers, of the disgraced president Richard Nixon in the Sixties. Another acquaintance was gangster Moe Dalitz, a casino owner in Las Vegas.

Mulvaney’s father, James Jnr, is a former surfer and San Diego philanthropist known for baking and handing out free cookies to locals.

2023 NFL draft sponsor Bud Light controversy: Fans could boycott event over Dylan Mulvaney partnership

Sad, final days.

The trans-inclusive term ‘birthing persons’ IS degrading to women as well as UTTERLY RIDICULOUS!

Women give birth. Period!

One of the worst comments I've seen about this whole situation is that people are reminded of beloved Cher Horowitz with his awful Burberry skirt suit. How dare they sully that character or that beautiful butter yellow Dolce and Gabanna plaid power suit. I am hoping this faux tranny with his "bulges" and non-transition, non hormones will fade away. Maybe I could rally for someone legit like Laverne Cock.

It is absolutely insane that there’s a group of people boycotting a product because there’s a trans woman connected to it.

These same people would have boycotted a product with a black person 60 years ago or a gay person 30 years ago.

There have been similar boycotts when a traditionally male product has a female spokesperson

From the NYTimes article today:

Alissa Heinerscheid, vice president of marketing for Bud Light, said in an interview before the boycott that the brand needed to be more inclusive.

“The brand is in decline,” Ms. Heinerscheid said on the “Make Yourself at Home” podcast in March. “It’s been in decline for a really long time. And if we do not attract young drinkers to come and drink this brand, there will be no future for Bud Light.”

Wow even a politicians is involved in this hate exercise— One supporter of the boycott, Representative Dan Crenshaw, Republican of Texas, posted a video online to show that his fridge did not have Bud Light, but it did have beer from Karbach Brewing Company, which is also owned by Anheuser-Busch.

Anheuser-Busch sells more than 100 brands of beer in the United States and is the largest beer brewer in the world.

Good luck finding a replacement

A “buycott” is when people buy a product to protest a boycott against it. Professor Tuchman found that during the Goya boycott the company’s sales rose by 22 percent over two weeks before falling back to the baseline. After the country musician Travis Tritt said that he would stop including Bud Light in his tour rider, Kevin John Wasserman, the guitarist for the Offspring who goes by Noodles, said that the band would include Anheuser-Busch products in its rider.

I had never heard of Dylan Mulvaney before this.

I’m sure she’s happy with the rise in profile caused by the right wing

I recall when the right refused to buy Pepsi because Madonna kissed a black guy on the Say A Little Prayer video

Aren’t people bored with transgender already? I want some ex-gays around. Transracialists. Spice things up a little. Transgender is stale.

^ sorry, Like A Prayer

Funny how the people who call themselves moderates, never called this insane reaction from the right: "cancel culture." They seem to save their hysterics for hyperbolic accusations hurled at the left. Meanwhile, you've got that has-been Kid Rock, literally shooting a can of this swill because that's how angry he is. Because that's a perfectly reasonable reaction.

The right wing has been completely wrong about every social issue of our times—every single one.

It tries hate hate hate to win elections at first and then the country realizes how stupid that is and the GOP moves on to its next boogie man

None of this can be sustained in the long term.

If you like that swill known as bud light, you will go right back to it in a month

[Quote] The trans-inclusive term ‘birthing persons’ IS degrading to women as well as UTTERLY RIDICULOUS!

So it’s okay to shoot cans that represent a specific person? Sure, that logic makes a lot of sense

[Quote] Sad, final days.

Of the MAGA. They had their moment, but their anti abortion victories and obsession with trans, 0.6% of the population, will doom them

[quote] Kevin John Wasserman, the guitarist for the Offspring who goes by Noodles, said that the band would include Anheuser-Busch products in its rider.

Wow, I'm sure the three cans of beer afforded the has-been Offspring will really make a difference.

R293, and you think Travis Tritt and Kid Rock are relevant?

It's a trash beer and this was a bad move by AB, because it's bigots who drink that garbage.

[quote]These same people would have boycotted a product with a black person 60 years ago or a gay person 30 years ago.

Blacks and gays during the civil and gay rights years never claimed to literally be the opposite - white and straight.

[quote]The right wing has been completely wrong about every social issue of our times—every single one.

The right isn't wrong about this one. How do we know? Beecause a lot of the center and left of center people also see the harmful effects of this movement and ideology on women and children's rights and lives. It's just that they're muzzled and 'canceled' by their own side.

I think Travis Tritt still sells concert tickets. Country fans are loyal. I have no idea what Kid Rock's fan base is like and whether or not they are as loyal. But that wasn't my point. The Offspring are acting like they're doing some amazing act that will move the needle, but honestly, when was the last time anyone heard about them? This is less an act of defiance as a grasp to get any sort of talk going about a band no one remembers. And I'm not saying that Tritt or Kid Rock didn't have similar motivation.

You want an idea of Kid Rock's fanbase?

[quote]The right isn't wrong about this one. How do we know? Beecause a lot of the center and left of center people also see the harmful effects of this movement and ideology on women and children's rights and lives. It's just that they're muzzled and 'canceled' by their own side.

But you think it's perfectly normal to be so invested in bigotry that you literally take an AR to shoot up a beer can. Yeah, do that "both sides" thing again as if you can point to legislation from Dems that are as draconian and hateful as the right. Putting a friggin transwoman in a commercial in no way affects your fucking life. Teachers being fired and mandated to teach revisionist history or a raped woman/child being forced to carry a pregnancy or having your right to vote made more difficult or legalized discrimination, actually affects millions of lives.

r243 and?

[quote]Of the MAGA. They had their moment, but their anti abortion victories and obsession with trans, 0.6% of the population, will doom them

These would be the same "moderates" who warned us about that huge red wave. Meanwhile, the only reason the MAGAs have the house is because of NY and CA fucking up their redistricting. No normal voter is basing their vote on the trans nonsense. I can't imagine the thought-process involved in thinking a transperson will affect your life, but the actual Fascist legislation coming out of the Republican party isn't as serious. You gotta have a baby-ass smooth brain to think like that.

I think this is a good point about Dylan Mulvaney:

This is an ADULT MALE not only pretending to be a woman but he chooses to act like a preteen girl. Younger then 13…..he confirms this in his own videos. In his videos he is often running around in nothing but a t-shirt and socks, talking about having crushes on boys and sleepovers. With small underdeveloped breasts, talking like a young girl, acting like a young girl. Talking about periods while he holds a box of tampons.

[He is] teaching young girls that adult men at any point can identify as a female and have the mind of someone their age. Someone who wants to have sleepovers with them. That these young girls can trust them. You don’t think there is a problem with this?

Do you understand what kind of society you are building for your daughters, nieces and female cousins by condoning this?

Bless his heart.

[quote]a raped woman/child being forced to carry a pregnancy

What was the subject of discussion again? Moving goalposts, are we. Favorite technique for arguing in bad faith.

[quote]But you think it's perfectly normal to be so invested in bigotry that you literally take an AR to shoot up a beer can. . Yeah, do that "both sides" thing again as if you can point to legislation from Dems that are as draconian and hateful as the right.

My comment was if they are right or wrong on the substance of the issue. Nowhere did I comment on their motives or methods - and for that matter, on the motives and methods of the left that endorses that ideology.

But I can take the right's legislation and raise you the left legislating violent transwomen in female prisons and only the affirming method of treatment of anyone with gender dysphoria. Let's see, shall we, what does and will cause more lives lost or mutilated - the right banning medicalized transition for underage children or the left radicalizing enough professions so they now force any dysphoric kid into puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones.

I don't like purity tests and blind ideological conformity. And I don't flip out at the sight of a dumbo shooting beer cans as if it's the start of WW3. Spare me your strawmen and learn to look objectively at an issue.

[Quote] Blacks and gays during the civil and gay rights years never claimed to literally be the opposite - white and straight.

And yet they were still targeted and boycotted.

Just goes to show the right wing reaction is just about hate.

[quote] Someone who wants to have sleepovers with them. That these young girls can trust them.

Worked for me. Just replace girls with boys.

R290, I don't agree that boycotters will go right back to Bud Light.

The whole reason for this stunt by the brand manager was the sliding sales in the first place. The problem is that, while Bud Light was one of the earlier light beers to market, it now faces huge competition.

Why do people drink this kind of swill? It's mostly force of habit. It's primarily straight men who don't think much about grocery shopping or brands. They just order or buy what they've always ordered or bought and don't think twice.

What if they break that unthinking habit, and try non-Anheuser Busch mass-market brands like Amstel Light, Beck's Light, Keystone Light, Yuengling Light, or the big boy, Coors Light? They may form a new unthinking habit, and the new beer may be their go-to from now on.

It's not the 1980s. The market is saturated with light beers that are equal or better in price or flavor. In my view, by aggressively flipping off their current customers (calling them "fratty" and "out of touch"), they've only made their vulnerable position worse.

The CEO's statement was not exactly a ringing vote of confidence in this strategy.

[Quote] But I can take the right's legislation and raise you the left legislating violent transwomen in female prisons and only the affirming method of treatment of anyone with gender dysphoria. Let's see, shall we, what does and will cause more lives lost or mutilated - the right banning medicalized transition for underage children or the left radicalizing enough professions so they now force any dysphoric kid into puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones.

False equivalence as usual.

How many violence trans women in female prisons have there been? How many kids have been “forced” in puberty blockers.

Close to zero for both

R307, you just typed the biggest whopper of the year.

[quote]What was the subject of discussion again? Moving goalposts, are we. Favorite technique for arguing in bad faith.

No, it's not moving the goal posts, it's people like you having no goal posts for the right-wing and setting up impossibly high ones for the left and then acting as though YOU are debating in good faith about how "both sides" are bad. No matter how many times you attempt to equate what the right is doing with what the left is doing, it will always be in bad faith because what you are actually doing is tantamount to telling us the jaywalker is just as bad as the drunk driver who just ran over school children. And you seem to devote far more time to convincing us the former is more concerning.

There are far more women who will be hurt by right-wing legislation than will be hurt by any perceived "special rights" you think are being given to the blip of transpeople who exist in this country. If you're a woman in a red state having a difficult pregnancy, you will potentially die because the doctors are afraid to help you. If you drink some shit beer, your dick won't fall off and make you suddenly attracted to women.

[Quote] The market is saturated with light beers that are equal or better in price or flavor.

AB needed to reach out to a bigger clientele because its market share is slipping. If it did nothing X its marker share would fall and fall.

Now that this has gotten so much buzz, the publicity will ultimately help AB

Why not do this? Dylan M has 10 million followers on social media . She is just one of numerous celebrities AB partnered with.

The publicity alone is priceless

AB owns 100 brands of beer. I defy to white trash to boycott the whole company.

They will go into the withdrawal shakes within a day

Dylan Mulvaney - ‘How I brought down Bud Light and you cried about it. A memoir of girlhood’

[Quote] And I don't flip out at the sight of a dumbo shooting beer cans as if it's the start of WW3.

But he’s just one of many using violent imagery and threats against the left.

Isn’t it very very odd that someone who shoot a beer can solely because it features another human being? WTF

R309, so it's not a problem if the left hurts women because the right might be hurts them more? Nice one.

Exactly, R305! What's the difference between Michael Jackson's put on persona and Dylan's fake persona?

[Quote] The right isn't wrong about this one.

Like every other social issue, the right is completely wrong about this. How do we know? Because they start with “Save the kids” but then move into banning trans care for adults. It’s a boogeyman.

It’s exactly what they did against gays—Gays should not be around kids!! Then Gays don’t deserve marriage!!

R316 Jesus juice and rape.

[Quote] Dylan Mulvaney - ‘How I brought down Bud Light and you cried about it. A memoir of girlhood

I’m sure she’s not crying. She got her paycheck and all of America knows her name now

R315, tell me all of the legislation from the left hurting women and then I'll list state-by-state the legislation from the right hurting women. Go on. List all of the legislation that hurts millions of women coming from Dems.

The right is slowly dying. It comes up with bullshit controversies to retain power and we’re all seeing right through it.

Anti-abortion BS will be the final knife in the GOP’s heart.

I guess Capitalism Is Good in this instance, when it benefits a Stunning And Brave Woman like Miss Dylan Mulvaney....

[quote]How many kids have been “forced” in puberty blockers.

How about you learn how things actually are. Like research WPATH, and what therapies medical professionals are allowed to offer dysphoric kids in this country? And how gender therapists blackmail parents into signing off on medicalization by telling them (without any scientific evidence) that their kid will absolutely kill themselves if left alone? And why countries in Europe have now moved away from the affirming method as unproven and dangerous?

R315, and I'm not talking about some isolated prison incidents. I am talking actual legislation that actually effects the the tens of millions of women who live in this country. I'm talking about cutting food programs, childcare, etc.

Go on. Show everyone all of the Dem legislation hurting the millions of women who live here.

R319 can’t read.

[quote] How many trans women were murdered for being trans? Close to zero.

Fixed that for ya, R307

affects*

R317, in this case the Right is correct about the kids.

So far, we know about at least 2 teenage girls suing because doctors surgically removed their breasts when they were 13 and 15.

We also have Dylan Mulvaney telling his little girl followers that it is perfectly normal for a 28-year old man to be acting like he is pre-teen like them and talking about Tampons and sleepovers. How is he any different than Jessica Yaniv?

We also have several cases where parents are suing because schools hid info from them regarding their child's gender identity. School employees taught an 11-year old girl how to use a breast binder. Another such case involved an 8-year old boy where the teacher was holding him back during recess and showing him "I Am Jazz" videos!

And so many more cases that have been discussed here on DL.

None of this type of sh*t was happening during the Marriage Equality movement.

R307, you have to be fucking kidding me. There are many documented cases of men in women's prisons assaulting the female prisoners.

[quote]But he’s just one of many using violent imagery and threats against the left. Isn’t it very very odd that someone who shoot a beer can solely because it features another human being? WTF

And the left doesn't? It's not forcing people out of their jobs for the heresy of being gender-critical? Gender radicals aren't posting their semis and vowing to turf out the terfs? They aren't physically attacking female free speech activists or ganging up on lesbians? They aren't gaslighting women that penises are vaginas - the same technique used by cults to break down women's instincts for self-preservation?

R314, the trans left has been holding Trans Days of Vengeance which is not helpful and is probably inspiring nuts like this one.

[quote]Like every other social issue, the right is completely wrong about this. How do we know? Because they start with “Save the kids” but then move into banning trans care for adults. It’s a boogeymam.

Let's see. How difficult is to say that medical transitioning of dysphoric / autistic / contagion-captured / gender-nonconforming kids does nothing for their healthcare or underlying problems - on the contrary, doesn't alleviate suicidality but creates medical patients for life? Yet, the left will die on the hill of not saying it.

It's perfectly possible to say the right is right on the issue of underage kids, and not right on outright bans for adults. Because that's what common sense tells most people in this country.

the real danger appears to be the problems of estrogen

feminine toxicity is a problem we should being do more to address in society

if women weren't so naturally violent, then perhaps we could expect more from trannies that emulate them.

R335, do you have any other random links to divert attention away from your inability to defend trans insanity?

r337 young or old, they're predators we must deal with immediately. this gender ideology and biological bullshit of feminism must be stopped. look at the damage they do the sanctity of the state

r337 before all the gender roles got switched up, women knew their place and we didn't have these kind of problems. not even trannies.

[quote]and I'm not talking about some isolated prison incidents. I am talking actual legislation that actually effects the the tens of millions of women who live in this country.

California Senate Bill 132, The Transgender Respect, Agency and Dignity Act, became effective on January 1, 2021. It allows incarcerated transgender, non-binary and intersex people to request to be housed and searched in a manner consistent with their gender identity.

Since then, 47 biological males who identify as transgender have been allowed entry into women’s prisons in California. As of 2022, over 33% of the 349 men seeking to transfer under this law under the guise of ‘gender identity’ are registered sex offenders. Over a quarter have been convicted of a sex offense.

[quote]the real danger appears to be the problems of estrogen

Good old misogyny.

r342 misogyny doesn't actually exist. it's just homophobia.

Of course someone will always make it to be women's fault.

r344 women are empowered. Girl power. We have to squash it for bio females and trannies alike... they're out of control, have you seen the decades of girls gone wild? What happened to moral decency!

Flooding the zone with irrelevant links means you know you've lost the argument.

r346 Check your own, dear. You've gone far off the reservation because you have to pull up the peripheral in attempt to justify your opinion on a company using an influencer.. by attempting to demonize a demographic that influencer is from. So, you make it into a much larger moral crusade that throws everything and the kitchen sink at it but get offended when others do the same. Funny that.

have you considered taking a midol or perhaps slowly sipping some black cohosh tea?

women are biologically unstable living in a fantasyland where they think progress is lowering basic proficiency requirements in order to grant them an equitable place in society. . . this, too, is part of the gender ideology madness that puts us all at risk from the military to law enforcement and rescue services. Should we really placate to these delusions merely for political correctness?

It's funny that it took trannies in sports for women to admit they can't compete.

Can we really blame trannies for trying to co-opt the delusions of what bio women have done for decades?

[quote]The CEO has issued a statement. Damned if I can tell whether he's backing the Mulvaney thing or backing away from it.

BINGO. Right on schedule. It's still a shit show over at AB at the moment.but they are going to try pivot to a new campaign soon in hopes that it all dies down and goes away.

I'm wondering if those hideous Dylan Bud Light cans become collectors items (kind of like Billy Beer)

The fact that they didn't support Mulvaney means it's at the very least a slight loss for the TRAs.

[quote] School employees taught an 11-year old girl how to use a breast binder. Another such case involved an 8-year old boy where the teacher was holding him back during recess and showing him "I Am Jazz" videos!

Times have really changed over the last 23 years since I was in high school in 1999 and I went to high school in LA. Sex ed was like the most clinical thing in the world, nothing interesting at all was shared. We knew absolutely nothing about our teachers personal lives, they never talked about there personal lives, and 90% of the time, if it was your word against the teacher, they won. If you didn't study, you failed. There was no trigger warnings, no safe spaces (this might have been nice as a gayling), and no negotiation on the standard "college prep" curriculum. I could not even imagine something like that trans teacher coming to school with the the huge XXXXXL breasts that are just removable prosthetics or teachers even talking to us about our private parts. I went to a private school,. but all the families very extremely Hollywood and liberal. I don't really care about most of it, but I think the whole MTF trans discussing periods and tampon insertion with girls is very odd. As men, we have absolutely no idea at all what it feels like to have a period or use a tampon (although I heard Michael Jackson was into this for some reason) and anal fissures don't count.

I don't know why Democrats want to dive on this sword as such a big part of their messaging and I don't understand why republicans would want to ban abortions knowing that will kill a huge amount of support. It seems suicidal and for both parties, it's all about power. Both are corrupt and awful

"bOtH sIdEs."

"OUR side's politicians are kind, compassionate public servants who care nothing for money or power. They live only for the satisfaction of helping the disadvantaged. THEIR side's politicians are corrupt, evil money-grubbers who are Worse than Hitler, every single one."

I truly envy you, R353. Your life must be very happy, knowing that the party in power loves you and will take care of you like kindly parents. I wish I could believe it too.

You’re right, R354, it’s basically Pravda-speak from them, 24/7.

[quote]Times have really changed over the last 23 years since I was in high school in 1999

Wow, you old. No wonder you’re such a bitter old TERF cunt. All Nazis are old.

I'm finding Alyssa to be the most interesting person in this whole controversy. She represents an elite class that is truly clueless about life and their own stupidity and arrogance. To them, the world around them and the people in it are mere objects and words to be manipulated exclusively for their own ego needs and wallet. It is rare that they experience the true impact their amoral behavior has on real people. Finally, one get's bitten in the ass!

I bought some Bud Light today. Sod the bullying tactics of the cancel culture mob. One sale won't help them, but it made me feel better. :D

Dylan Mulvaney is laughing all the way to the bank.

No one had heard of her prior to this and now everyone has.

Alyssa and the Bud Lite Family thanks you, R358.

[Quote] School employees taught an 11-year old girl how to use a breast binder. Another such case involved an 8-year old boy where the teacher was holding him back during recess and showing him "I Am Jazz" videos!

Oh no!! In a country of 330 million people, some school employees did something odd.

We need laws in all states!!! We need to shoot in cans of Budweiser!!!

Has this kerfuffle blown over yet? Has the hysteria died? Or are conservatives still working themselves into a lather over a tranny getting a free beer?

Complete fucking lunatics on the right.

Anyone know WTF R354 is going on about??

R360 They're both very welcome! I suspect this whole row has helped them in some way, as many people who'd never thought of Bud Light will be now thinking "hmm maybe I'll try some". Not because they care about the argument, just the people who barely read a headline, but just see the imagery.

^ Correct.

Which was the whole point of the 48-second sponsored posting by Dylan in the first place.

Whiplash!

[quote] [R360] They're both very welcome! I suspect this whole row has helped them in some way, as many people who'd never thought of Bud Light will be now thinking "hmm maybe I'll try some". Not because they care about the argument, just the people who barely read a headline, but just see the imagery.

Sure, Jan. The only thing that happened (if it actually did, since we all think you're lying) is that you wasted money on some shit swill that will sit in your fridge for years untouched.

R367 Who's "we all"? Bold to assume you speak for everyone.

I've actually got a family party coming up soon and I got some Bud Light, plus some San Miguel 0.0 (alcohol free) for the drivers. It's not exactly hard to buy a bit of alcohol for a party from a supermarket. I could understand if my claim was more outlandish...

R7 Because they can't sell all that beer they spent all that money manufacturing, packaging and advertising?

[quote] [R367] Who's "we all"? Bold to assume you speak for everyone.

Not as bold as you thinking we give a shit that you're supporting this asshole. Read the room, babe.

Anyone remember Billy Beer? My father had a can in his basement beer fridge for decades. The world seemed so much simpler than.

- Very Elder Gay

How many days of girlhood did Billy have? Huh? Huh?

[quote] we all think you're lying

[quote] Read the room, babe.

The culture Nazis always pretend they speak for everyone

[quote]I've actually got a family party coming up soon and I got some Bud Light

Do you secretly hate your family?

[quote] The culture Nazis always pretend they speak for everyone

And the people who fling the word "nazi" around like it's a conjunction have nothing worth listening to.

R368 will also be serving frozen turkey meatballs and there will be only one towel provide! For everyone to share.

R366, I LOVE that.

A-B is a huge GOP contributor. Oops. Just like Disney

[quote] Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., blasted his fellow Republican lawmaker, Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga., for defending the 21-year-old Air National Guardsman who is accused of leaking sensitive documents from the Pentagon.

[quote] Graham said Sunday on ABC’s “This Week” that Greene’s remarks could “destroy America’s ability to defend itself.”

[quote] “The way we gather intelligence protects our country,” Graham said. “There are military members serving today from Georgia and other places who are less safe because of what this airman did.”

MTG's response:

R376 I'm sure my parties are more fun than yours. You transphobes sound so fucking miserable all the time. Heh.

R370 You give enough of a shit to keep replying.

Nah, just want to make sure you understand your place here. It's at the bottom.

I'm just wondering how the transphobes here like being aligned in their views with right wingers.

It's about truth, R382. Children should not be mutilated or chemically castrated. Woman deserve their spaces and their sports. Trans will never be other than their biological sex, to pretend otherwise is a huge fucking delusion and how dare they expect the world to participate in their profound delusion.

R382 it hasn't dawned on you yet that the extreme positions of TRAs are so unpalatable and delusional that many many people left, right and center are opposing them. How does that feel? The Communist Party of the UK oppose. Western European governments are reconsidering their stance.

r384 They're one of those people that believe the extremely unhinged and radical TRAs are right-wing plants to make trans people look bad. Never mind the fact that actual laws have been passed, by the progressive left, that allow biological males into women's spaces like changing rooms and prisons. We're all imagining this shit, apparently.

To be fair, there are different levels of gender critical people. Some do just have genuine concerns for female spaces and aren't horrible people at all. I think the majority belong in that category.

But there's another really nasty element that are abusive, shitty and aligned with the right wing. They've turned this into an obsession to the point it dominates their life in an unhealthy fashion. They're terminally online and will post endless tweets, then they'll shift to sites like this - ie message boards - repeating the same stuff over and over and over. They struggle to tolerate disagreement. Instead of thinking "hmm maybe we could have a discussion about where we differ" it's more "go dilate, misogynist! You hate women, you evil piece of shit!" etc etc.

The latter are smaller in number, but because they're such prolific posters it's easy to assume there are millions of them.

[quote]Nah, just want to make sure you understand your place here. It's [AS] the bottom.

FTFY, r381.

R387 Yay, homophobia. I'm ticking off my GC bingo card easily.

[quote] Some do just have genuine concerns for female spaces and aren't horrible people at all. I think the majority belong in that category.

r386 Those people still get bullied and called Nazis, though.

For the record, I'm one of those people and have been advocating for trans only spaces because I agree they need to feel safe, too. But when people start attacking me for expressing just that and basically demanding I, as a biological female, be willing to accept biological (in-tact) males into female spaces, my patience wears very thin and yeah, I may or may not cuss a bitch out over it every now and again. But there is a "build" to that level of frustration that I typically get pushed to. And it tends to depend on who I'm talking to about this subject.

It's a sore subject because I genuinely don't feel comfortable in spaces where I'm vulnerable (i.e. locker room) and men are present. Most females aren't. I mean, hell, they don't even do caged animals this way. Unless specifically for breeding purposes, females are kept separate from males when in season. If female dogs can get the same damn courtesy of separation from males when vulnerable, I don't know why we can't.

If this company is a big GOP donor but they have Dylan as a spokesperson, does that mean they’re actually trying to genocide Dylan because that’s all the GOP do apparently and this company loves the GOP so they must be into genociding trans?

[quote]R387] Yay, homophobia. I'm ticking off my GC bingo card easily.

Good God, r388! I was having a bit of fun with r381's post (and you aren't r381). Why would you choose to take offense?

I'm gay (vers, if it matters), but I retain my sense of humor.

r390 Or maybe the TRA conspiracy theorists are right and Dylan is a right-wing shill planted to make trans people look bad. He is the grandson of a billionaire. So, he comes from a wealthy family. Wealthy people tend to lean Republican politically. There have been suspicions that Dylan, who is also an actor, is actually a troll and putting on an act. This is one theory I could see being possible, honestly. Because he's just...too much.

Him being a Republican plant (which I've also suspected as much with Lia Thomas) would make the DLers buying Bud Light to prove a point and to "feel good" about themselves look kind of foolish.....

R392 They don't need any help to look bad.

R386 Fuck right off and go dilate, you mental fuck.

R389 Thing is, as a biological female you're kind of encroaching on male space here. I appreciate I'm being a little unfair because DL has never been specifically stated as being for gay men only, but a quick look at the topics shows they're primarily by and for gay men.

I think that's what kind of annoys me - ie that women are taking it upon themselves to descend here to lecture gay men about how we've got it all wrong. When you go on about men encroaching on female spaces but come here to do it, I think it's tone deaf.

R395 Most of us are gay men, love.

r395 That is nowhere near being the same thing as a damn linebacker making his way into the women's dressing room. This comparison is retarded.

R397 I didn't say it was the same thing; I was drawing parallels. The fact of the matter is you're (by your own admission) a biological woman in a place that's largely populated by and for gay men - with the sole purpose of telling us off and telling us how to think. Maybe you're not that different to those you rail against.

r398 Quite frankly, if any person (regardless of their sexual orientation or sex) is behind trying to make it easier for biological males to get into female spaces, their "thinking" is objectively fucked up and needs to be told off by the nearest person with sense, bepenised or not. What a weird detail to focus on, considering the topic.

R399 Ignore them. Their points are pathetic.

R399 You're only labelling it as "weird" because you know you've been snookered. You're annoyed about space encroaching while encroaching a space. Take a hike.

R401 We are fine with women here. Just because you hate the truth she speaks, you want to shut her up.

[quote] And the people who fling the word "nazi" around like it's a conjunction have nothing worth listening to.

You all have actual Nazis marching on your side. And shooting up queer places. So if the shoe fits, shove it up your ass.

R402 Some women are fine with trans women in their toilets, doesn't make it right though, love.

R404 Stupid comparison.

[quote]It's a trash beer and this was a bad move by AB, because it's bigots who drink that garbage.

Bud Light has always been for white trash types. Weird that AB would think people on the liberal, progressive side would suddenly switch over by having Mulvaney as a sponsor.

Budweiser (of all varieties) is absolute swill, just disgusting.

[quote] Also, you have no idea what a conjunction is, clearly

I know exactly what a conjunction is. And you use the word Nazi as commonly as if you were typing and, but or or.

I am not trans. I am also, unlike you, not a nazi.

You work with Nazis, you support the same things they do, you’re a nazi.

Picture of r409

R411 Are you retarded?

Yes, he is.

Says the nazi who doesn’t know he’s a nazi

R414 Jesus, fuck off and die in a grease fire.

Can we keep persuading wingnuts to buy shit they've been told to hate so they can destroy it on tiktok?

Because that shit is HILARIOUS.

The funniest part is AB is a huge contributor to the Republican party. So, while pro tranny fuck stains think they are winning, they are also losing.

Keep pretending that working on the side of the Nazis doesn’t put blood on your hands.

Are AB Zazis?

[quote] Nobody cares what I think about the "is it fascism?" debate but I would just say that, more important than determining the exact right word for it is persuading mainstream institutions to stop normalizing it, to stop treating it as though it were still normal politics.

[quote]minority rule

People lose credibility when they say that about DeSantis. He won re-election by almost 20 points. No matter what you think about the outcomes since then, the majority definitely voted for it.

What is anyone even talking about now? I don’t even know what side R420 and R421 are on anymore. Are you guys Nazis? Or are you anti-Nazi or pro-Nazi?

Hilarious.

- Pro-Mutilation & Pro-Experiments on Bodies = Josef MENGELE (and other NAZI doctors happily EXPERIMENTING) = NAZI

- Pro-Mutilation & Pro-Sterilisation = TRAs (Pro-Trans; Pro-lgbTQIA+; Gender Identity; Kweer Cult)

[quote] Those people still get bullied and called Nazis, though. For the record, I'm one of those people and have been [bold]advocating for trans[/bold] only spaces because I agree they need to feel safe, too. But when people start attacking me for expressing just that and basically demanding I, as a biological female, be willing to accept biological (in-tact) [bold]males into female spaces[/bold],

r389 "Trans rights" at least since 2015 or even before, have meant consistently the same = Trans Women Are Women = Trans (ex. bio males) = Women.

If you deny that very basic fact, you are indeed a transPHOBe (in addition to LGBTQIA+phobe) and TERF according to #TransRightsAreHumanRights-chanters.

You may have been deludedly thinking yourself as some sort of trans rights supporter (I've seen the same pattern with "I've always supported trans rights but! Lia Thomas" or whatever)

but you apparently deny trans that very basic right: "(Male) Trans = Women" by refusing them into your women's spaces (so you don't think trans women are women) and shoving trans into trans spaces (again, refusing "one type of women" and shoving them into a separate "ghetto")

R424, at the end of this is the loss of all meaning in the terms 'woman' and 'man'. If everyone and anyone can now call themselves 'woman' or 'man' - or both at the same time - there's no reality to these words and concepts any more. They signify nothing.

Nazi say what?

Nazi - another word which now means nothing.

No, nazi means taking a subgroup of individuals in society and demonizing them for political gain.

It also includes physical threats and intimidation, like we saw in Ohio.

Not that I have any insight into how these fuckwits think but seeing Caitlyn hanging out with the Trumps reminds me of seeing this "Chad does first-time drag" character with a "TRANS FOR TRUMP" sign at the NYC protests. I'd wager to say trans people are just another form of LARPing for them.

Hell, Donald probably got head from drag hookers more than a few times back in the disco days.

[quote] Hell, Donald probably got head from drag hookers more than a few times back in the disco days.

...and/or Lindsey last week...

Wowwza! Caitlyn has nice tits for a 73 year old man!

[quote]Caitlyn bought nice tits for a 73 year old man!

Fixed that for ya.