Susan Hayward as "Lana Turner" in "Where Love Has Gone"

Here's an excellent copy of this trashy soap! Enjoy...

There's an hilarious line of Hayward's that goes "When you're dying of thirst you'll drink from a mudhole!"

Heatherton was the poor man's Ann-Margret.

I should sue them all.

Heatherton was a poor man's Connie Stevens, too!

Well, Connie Stevens was a poor man's Sandra Dee!

Didn't Bette Davis hate this film and Susan Hayward and only made it to pay for BD's wedding?

Yes, Bette took this trash for the cash for trash daughter BD's wedding... no good deed goes unpunished!

Joey Heatherton liked a good man!

Newsweek wrote: "Bette Davis in 'Where Love Has Gone' sits in the ugliest chair in Hollywood and lowers her teacup and pronounces, 'Somewhere along the line the world has lost all its standards and all its taste.'"

Tim Barker in a very candid phone interview in which he trashes his mother Susan Hayward as an alcoholic pill-popping narcissist.

This film showed up in my youtube algorithm,

^^ that's the most revealing info about Hayward I've ever heard. Incest survivor, second husband was bleeding her dry, the second marriage typically reported as a happy one was disastrous (both drunks), etc What a life. No wonder Hayward played drunks on film so well.

Terrible interview.

Interviewer " Um, I have aspbergers, oh, um oooh, un huh..I'm uh doing this for my blog, um oooh, I um ooooo"

Susan Hayward was the poor man's Susan Hayward.

R13. aspie

Susan Hayward was the Brooklyn Bette Davis!

R10 thank you for sharing. He also says she was surrounded by gay men during the last years of her life

She was great in Modern Family!

Second husband. He was hot and looked like he could throw a mean one. He died while Hayward was filming The Honey Pot at Cinecitta. She flew home immediately. One wonders if some of her scenes were scrapped as a result..

Director Joseph Mankiewicz said in interviews that shooting The Honey Pot was a shitshow. Problems left and right including Hayward's departure.

Here's Hayward auditioning for Martha in "Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?" with Mike Connors!

The Conqueror killed so many of us.

Hayward always seemed like she smelled of perfume, cigarettes and old Kleenex, with maybe just a faint whiff of gin. Heavenly!

Bourbon, R23.

This was based on the Harold Robbins novel of the same name which yes, was a Roman a clef on Lana. I loved Harold Robbins books, especially as they became more sexually explicit in the 70s and 80s.

I watched it last night (thanks for the link R1!) Campy but somewhat boring because the Hayward character never really comes across as ruthlessly egocentric, which is what the story needs in order to be certified camp.

We were promised a sextape in that r10 interview!

Were there really sextapes that far back?

I know. I wanted to hear more about the sex tapes too. My bet is that they starred Suzie and Barker.

Susan Hayward at home:

What the hell do you want for dinner?

Who the hell is going to prepare it?

How the hell are you going to cook it?

Where the hell do you want to eat it?

Where Love Has Gone: Lana/Johnny/Cheryl with equal parts Mildred/Monty/Veda!

It's amusing that Hayward's son Tim reveals that she was mad as hell that Anna Magnani "stole" the Oscar from her for The Rose Tatoo. Suzie thought she had it wrapped up with I'll Cry Tomorrow.

The interviewer’s biggest L was not asking the son about Valley of the Dolls.

I never knew this film came from a Harold Robbins novel.

We still need a good treatment of the Johnny Stompanato murder.

I’d watch a whole Feud-like series on it.

Who would we cast today to play Mr. Stompanato?

Pre-movie cover...

Interesting that the original cover art didn't attempt to evoke Lana Turner when the book was so clearly based on her.

I'm sure they did what they did to avoid litigation, r37. The hardback had just the heart.

R14- I love 💕 Helen Lawson quotes because I’m a HUGE fan of hers.

She spoke very poorly of you, r39.

Bette fought with the producers over her gray wig.

She believed the vain character she was playing would have been coloring her hair.

There was only a nine year age difference between Hayward and Davis, so the producers insisted Bette wear the wig.

The end of that clip at R21 shows the beginning of one of the best scenes between Susan and Bette. Susan has a marvelous smirk on her face when Bette is telling her off.

The way Susan pronounces the word wrong shows her Brooklyn accent.

R21 That shouting from Susan reminded me off Shirley's shrill in Postcards From The Edge.

Presenter Jerry Lewis insisted that she take a second bow when she won her Oscar. Does anyone know what was exceptional about her, or her performance, that year? Jerry seemed a bit emotional about it.

From IMDB:

[Quote]At the last minute, the producers wanted to add a scene where Bette Davis' character goes insane and commits suicide. Davis refused, saying it was out of character for the role.

R45, Wasn’t that the year the show was running short and the producers told Jerry to stretch?

Could be based on this clip of Jerry ad-libbing.

R47 r48 You're right about Jerry Lewis having to af-lib. He explains how he made it happen.

The year Susan Hayward won for "I'll Fry Tomorrow!"

Hayward lost out to Anna Magnani the year she was nominated for I'll Cry Tomorrow.

I think at that point in time in Oscar history, Hayward was probably the biggest loser (most nominations without a win) in the acting categories. So there was a lot of collegial support when she finally took home Oscar that night in 1959.

I'm sure one of you bitches here will correct me if my statistics are wrong.

Did I misuse the term collegial?

If so, oh dear.

R52 yeah that was her fifth nom.

At least Cannes was kind to her for I'll Cry Tomorrow.

She wasn't going to win for ICT because of her godawful singing.

Luke: My daughter just killed a man.

George: Your daughter? I didn't even know you had a daughter!

Danni stabbed him in the stomach with one of her mother's sculpting chisels. He lived about three minutes, painfully.

I hope you kept your temper, Valerie.

I did not, but they'll never print what I said to them!

The night Hayward won her Oscar, the producer Walter Wanger, who was the only person she thanked in her acceptance speech, said, “Thank God, now we can all relax. Susie finally got what she’s been chasing for 20 years.”

Rep 56:

Mike Connors was briefly a client of Gay agent Henry Willson. The agent, prone to renaming his clients (such as Rock and Tab), gave him the name Chance Connors. We will never know what went between these two. It most certainly had NOTHING to do with creating offspring.

All this talk of Hayward's Brooklyn origin made me think of the 1980 version of The Mirror Crack'd. Marina Gregg (really Gene Tierney) is attempting to revive her dormant career. Archenemy Lola Brewster is hoping Marina will crack up. Marina says Brewster is from Hoboken.

Daddy, don't let it make you angry. I'm the criminal.

Don't USE that word!

Valerie, there is no time for coffee. We must be OFF!

R60, I thought it was Touch Connors.

“Susie” Hayward’s Wikipedia page is a hoot. (I just thought it was funny when Jerry Lewis called her Susie.)

She seems to have been a bit of a crackpot. Two items from that page:

(1) Hayward got into a violent fight with actress Jil Jarmyn after the latter found Hayward with her boyfriend, Donald Barry in his bedroom. When confronted about the fight, Hayward replied, "I'm red-haired and Irish, you know, and I don't let anybody call me names."

(2) Before her Catholic baptism, Hayward had been a proponent of astrology. She particularly relied on the advice of Carroll Righter, who called himself "the Gregarious Aquarius" and the self-proclaimed "Astrologer to the Stars", who informed her that the optimal time to sign a film contract was exactly 2:47 a.m., prompting her to set her alarm for 2:45 so she could be sure to follow his instructions.

Connors was born Krekor Ohanian Jr.

He was nicknamed "Touch" by his high school basketball teammates.

his agent Henry Willson thought the name "Ohanian" was too similar to the actor George O'Hanlon and gave him the stage name "Touch Connors". Willson considered "Connors" to be a "good all-American name." Connors hated the name "from day one" and considered not using his real name the only big regret of his career. After getting the starring role in Tightrope!, Connors wanted to be credited as Ohanian, but Columbia Pictures told him that he had already done too much work as Connors, though he was allowed to change his first name to Mike.

Susan looks to be the same height as Bette Davis but her bigger hair makes her look taller.

My favorite shot is the process shot when Susan & Mike are driving - the time period is the mid 1940's or so - and in the process shot we see a parked 1963 Corvair.

Thanks for the thread OP!

That John Michael Hayes really had a way with words!

Have you written about The Carpetbaggers?

Valerie: [receiving the advances of her drunken husband] You're not the first today, I'm just getting warmed up!

Gordon: Valerie screamed. Dani rushed to her defense, picking up the first weapon she could find. She swung wildly - and hit a home run.

[quote] When confronted about the fight, Hayward replied, "I'm red-haired

HA!

Her hair was as fake as she was.

Ciao, Bella!

That Jerry, what a cut up!

Brando announces Anna

[quote]actor George O'Hanlon

AKA George Jetson and Joe McDoakes.

If anyone deserved an Oscar for I'll Cry Tomorrow it's Jo Van Fleet.

I'll never get over the fact that she beat me out for the role of Barbara Graham in I Want to Live

"Tell the director you need another take!"

Late Hayward is generally regarded as campy performances but in this film she has some lovely quiet moments too. eg. the scene where she wants to reconcile with Mike Connors for their sake of their daughter.

I think her greatest performance was as Helen Lawson. I've seen VOD at campy movie nights several times and she makes a meal out of every scene she's in. The audience loves her.

She's good in the climactic courtroom scene too telling what really happened. It's an interesting theory that Cheryl was actually trying to kill Lana and Johnny stepped in between them. But then Susan runs amok in her artist's studio after driving recklessly down those Frisco hills.

What hills? What the fuck? There are no hills in Frisco Tx.

Did you mean the City? San Francisco?

Why yes, I did do a write-up for "The Carpetbaggers." John Michael Hayes, who started off screenwriting for Hitchcock, later became the go-to guy to “clean up” all those “dirty” books like BUtterfield 8 and that other Robbins epic, Where Love Has Gone. The Carpetbaggers is fun for star gazing and Elmer Bernstein's swaggering score... more at the link.

Who asked?

Reply 87--Reply 67 did...

Sculptor! Pagan! Alleycat!

Who answered?

The best part of "The Carpetbaggers" is awesome score, as shown here, played instead of the lame dialogue...

R80 it's set in San Francisco.

You’re not from there are you?

Thanks Rick.

We need a streaming series of Lana's life. So much material even if it only mines the two "autobiographies" of Lana and Cheryl Crane.

By the time I was paying attention to movies in the early 70s Lana was somewhat of a joke. I remember watching "Portrait in Black" as a late movie and she was bloated and unattractive. I laughed. She also tried television with that failure soap THE SURVIVORS. Bloated, constipated old drunk.

Then I saw her in Postman, Tphe Bad and the Beautiful, and came to appreciate her charisma. I'd watch anything with her now. Even that movie I saw only in French, Meurtre à Petite Dose where she takes LSD.

Fun Film. Davis was great and she and Hayward hated each other. Theme song was fabulous by Jack Jones.

I love that Davis hated Hayward. Still love Hayward in I WANT TO LIVE.

Susan appeared to be just as competitive with female co-stars as Davis. Jane Greer, who has a small role in the film, reported that when Susan saw her on the first day on the set Hayward was her usual anti-social self. Hayward saw Greer, with whom she made a film in the 1940s, and said "Oh, it's you!", walked to her dressing room and slammed the door.

Thanks for The Carpetbaggers link, Rick.

Nice write up!

Love DeForest Kelly as the pervy agent.

"Keep it in the family, so to speak...."

Luke: I was invited in to help do the family laundry.

Valerie: And why not? So much of it is yours.

R87 Whooosh!

Valerie: Luke, you haven't told me yet how I look after all this time?

Luke: Unfortunately, you look the same.

Hello, Frisco, Hello.

Susan vs Bette. Whom do you prefer?

Tragic gays in Flyoverstan never get it…

I copied/pasted this from Facebook page:

"These two hated each other. At one point during the filming, feeling she was being upstaged by Hayward, Bette tore off her wig and threw it at Hayward, screeching "Miss Hayward, why don't you play both our roles!" Hayward walked away, muttering bitch, bitch, bitch under her breath. Davis: "What did you say, Miss Hayward?!" Apparently Susan wheeled around and screamed "Bitch! And that's what you are! Just an old BITCH!" LOL. Sounds like something right out of Valley of the Dolls"

Susan Hayward was a wonderful award winning actress but Susan Hayward was no Bette Davis.

In the movie Davis was controlling but had good intentions to allow her family to do what they were good at but safe. The artists studio was wonderful-something I could only imagine but the story needed Hayward to hate her mother-whatever!

Gordon to Dani on how to enter Juvie Hall which is surrounded by the press -

Don't panic. Don't say anything you wouldn't want to appear in print. And don't act guilty. Luke, you run interference and let's make a touchdown. Ready? 1, 2, 3, hike!

I love how Joey reinvented herself as an Ann-Margret/Mitzi Gaynor type. You go, girl!

Poor Jane Greer looks terrible. She had been fighting a virus for years and had heart surgery in early 1963. She was still not recovered when she got the job and looks like a vampire.

R105 she always had a thing for a firm….mattress.

R101 Is that story true or apocryphal?

What YOU think? 🫵🏼

R109 Ok, made up. Too bad, though. It would have been pretty cool.

When Susan married a wealthy Southern businessman in the '60s, some local charitable organization came calling., thinking they had a live one. After one too many pleasantries, Susie snapped, "Can the chit chat and get to the point!" Helen Lawson couldn't have said it better!

Sure, Jan.

Luke to Valerie: I've heard about them. I've laughed about them. I've even joked about them. But I never thought I'd end up married to one. A rich hooker, You're not a woman - you're a disease!

Did someone say rich hooker?

Present!

“Where Love Has Gone” is one of those ultra-corny names for a movie, like “I’ll Cry Tomorrow.” MARY!

Didn’t Joey Heatherton end up stabbing someone IRL?

That's a great story r101. In Bette's defense, she was none too pleased with her daughter BD, who was 16 at the time and about to marry a man who was 30 years old. Bette hated him and was against the wedding but she reluctantly accepted it. She only took Where Love Has Gone to pay for BD's lavish wedding. So she was in a foul mood through the whole filming of the movie.

And then BD and her husband turned into a couple of leeches and Bette supported them for the next 20 years.

I said 'yes' to everything..

Susan Hayward always looked like she smelled like cigarettes and gin......never more so than in this movie.

Susan and Jil fought when Jil walked in and found Susan with Don Barry - a B movie cowboy "star."

Jil claimed she had just stopped by for a cup of coffee. Susan also claimed that she was just visiting for a cup of coffee.

Marlene Dietrich commented: "That Don Bawwy must make a gweat cup of coffee."

Partner and I watched this about a month ago. I only indulged him in watching this old movie because it was filmed/set in San Francisco. Always fun to see buildings that still exist or are no longer there. And street scenes that show the old MUNI buses and street cars that used to scare me when I was a kid. Aside from the fabulous interior colors and costumes, the only thing I can remember about this campfest was that I thought the funeral scene was filmed on a rare clear day somwhere in Daly City/Colma and thinking it sad that Bette Davis had to be in Daly City. What. A. Dump.

A funeral in Colma? Who would think of such a thing?

🤓

r123, the relatives of some 1.5 million dead people, which includes my grandparents (parents chose to be cremated and tossed into the Bay).

Sally: Do you love your mother?

Dani: Doesn't everybody?

Yes, I’m familiar —it was a joke.

R35 There's a movie called "Stompanato" that's still listed as being in pre-production on IMDB, but I'm pretty sure it's dead. It originally had Catherine Zeta-Jones attached as Lana Turner and Keanu Reeves as Johnny Stompanato, but those ships have long since sailed.

I still think there's so much the family is leaving out about Amy and her emotional state on that cruise. I kind of get the feeling the parents pressured her into taking the cruise with them to not only distance her from her ex-girlfriend, but to also help her get over her depression from the break-up.

She looks miserable in that picture that was taken at dinner, and the fact that her parents immediately started panicking and searching for her and alerting the crew after Amy had been missing for only a short time tells me they were worried about her emotional state.

^ OOPS! Wrong thread!

I thought it was a precis from a Susan Hayward movie I had never seen......

The OTHER Voyage of the Damned!

The SECOND Ship of Fools!

He smacked her around the bedroom, and she got off on it!

A match made in heaven!

Poor Bette. This is what 55 can look like now.

Miss Davis was a poor man!

II was expecting Hayward to call someone HEY FAT STUFF

Sally: Your teachers and your fellow pupils seem to like you. Despite the fact that you keep to yourself most of the time.

Dani: They're such children.

Bette had a facelift. But she put it off far too long (1979-81?) and didn't get a good result.

Kate Hepburn had cosmetic surgery late in life for the same reason as Bette, for work, not vanity.

I wonder what the classic Hollywood stars like Davis and Crawford would've looked like as they aged if all of the cosmetic/dermatology procedures we have today had been around back then. Actresses in their 50s today look like they're in their 30s due to all the advancements.

[quote]Hayward got into a violent fight with actress Jil Jarmyn after the latter found Hayward with her boyfriend, Donald Barry in his bedroom.

Jil Jarmyn was a B movie actress who is probably best remembered for playing herself in an episode of "I Love Lucy." But even in that she was overshadowed by the lovely Joi Lansing. She was married to actor James Craig, whom she would later describe as "the worst of my four husbands." Jil died just last year (2024).

R138 sure, Spence.

JilJoi

R10, I wish that interview with her son were still available! I can’t find it anywhere.

r140 Did Jil and Joi get to sample some uncut Cuban pinga?

Jil Jarmyn Not to Press Charge

HOLLYWOOD, (W Blonde actress Jil Jarmyn has withdrawn a request for a battery complaint against film star Susan Hayward which resulted from a brawl in the bedrodra of aitor Don Barry’s apartment. The young actress signed a statement yesterday saying, “I hereby withdraw my request for a complaint ... at this time.” She said she cancelled her action because 'T’ve been through a humiliating experience and I want to forget it.” The blonde film player had accused her redhaired rival of hitting her with a hair brush, knocking her against a coffee table and threatening her with a lighted cigarete.

(Misspelling in original) I love the olden days when women would attack enimies with their hairbrush.

^ Didn't Naomi Campbell attack someone with a hairbrush? 😄

Not only did Susan attack Jil with a hairbrush, she also bit Jil's thumb, or so Jil claims.

Sally: Your mother was shocked you were having sexual relations with Mr. Lazich.

Dani: That's a dirty lie. Whoever said it is insane!

Title sequence.

Thanks R149.

Miss Davis' makeup artist Gene Hibbs was Eva Gabor's makeup man on Green Acres and she refused to let him go to NYC to fix up dead Judy Garland for her funeral.....she needed him the crank up her face and powder it dry..

Looks like Edith Head refurbished Kim Novak's white coat with the black scarf from Vertigo for one of Susan's outfits.

“He lived with Valerie. He knew nothing of double entry bookkeeping, but he was a pro at double entry housekeeping.”

This clip is wobbly but you get a good look at the Vertigo white coat.

Thanks R153.....nice find.

Bette Midler's mother named her daughters after her two favorite actresses - Bette Davis and Susan Hayward.