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DLers, anyone have gossip on SNL or Lorne Michaels?

I've been listening to the David Spade/Dana Carvey podcast, and it's been interesting. Those guys are funny, but they worship Lorne. Ellen Cleghorne was on, and it was weird. D&D did their usual Lorne worship, and Ellen noted how she made basically no money, was not allowed to meet with Lorne, and was effectively sidelined from the start. And she was in a good mood the whole time (also, her daughter is an oral surgeon).

by Anonymousreply 150April 17, 2023 3:35 AM

Mike Myers’s based Dr. Evil on Lorne Michaels.

by Anonymousreply 1March 23, 2023 10:01 PM

Wow, funny how the two white guys who got all the best gigs worship the white guy boss but the black woman who was sidelined and marginalized was like "nah..." That IS weird, OP!

by Anonymousreply 2March 23, 2023 10:08 PM

R2 - it was weird in terms of their praise of Lorne, and her spraying oceans of water all over that fire. It wasn't weird (at least not to me) what actually happened to her - it was predictable.

by Anonymousreply 3March 23, 2023 10:11 PM

the cast, writers and crew of kids in the hall... mad tv... in living colour... virtually every skit show (including a couple of kid shows) ever vs Lorne and the SNL cronies.

from younger generations, one might view Lorne/SNL writers as buzzfeed prone to hiring mediocre talents, stealing the content of other creators, make a bastardized version of it and then get raked thru the coals should said creators protest it.

KiTH having more direct ties to Lorne have a more complicated history... they go back and forth on retconning that history. It seems the last year, they've been more apt to be positive or at least indifferent about him. But allegedly, Don Roritor was based off of him

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by Anonymousreply 4March 23, 2023 10:20 PM

OP, it's not unusual that it is the most successful SNLers that have a generally positive view of Lorne. For the rest, the view of him is mixed. Still, with so many former cast members you would think there would be more of them saying negative stuff about him if he was really that bad.

by Anonymousreply 5March 26, 2023 1:22 AM

[quote] Mike Myers’s based Dr. Evil on Lorne Michaels.

Correction: he ripped-off Dana’s impression of Lorne.

by Anonymousreply 6March 26, 2023 1:34 AM

90% of SNL has been garbage. Lorne isn’t funny. The show isn’t funny.

by Anonymousreply 7March 26, 2023 1:34 AM

Lorne always seemed like a human icebox

by Anonymousreply 8March 26, 2023 2:21 AM

[quote]Ellen noted how she made basically no money, was not allowed to meet with Lorne, and was effectively sidelined from the start.

Julia Sweeney has said the same thing, while still thanking Lorne for letting her out of the last year of her contract when she wanted to leave.

by Anonymousreply 9March 26, 2023 2:43 AM

Lorne takes a cut from any franchise former SNL alumni create based on their SNL characters.

Mike Myers, who is a miserable sod, loves to mention that.

by Anonymousreply 10March 26, 2023 2:57 AM

On the Dana Carvey/David Spade podcast, Mike Myers was sure to mention that there was no relationship between Austin Powers and Saturday night live

by Anonymousreply 11March 26, 2023 3:00 AM

Lorne really does favor some cast members over others. I thought Julia Sweeney was successful on SNL but she still didn't make it into Lorne's inner circle like Tina, Amy and Maya.

by Anonymousreply 12March 26, 2023 3:00 AM

I think the cast members make more money than they used to.

by Anonymousreply 13March 26, 2023 3:00 AM

I find it a little unnerving how little gossip is out there about him. Very odd for such a public figure

by Anonymousreply 14March 26, 2023 3:01 AM

The book "Live From New York: An Uncensored History Of Saturday Night Live" contained a lot of complaints from former cast members. But not really from the well known cast members as I remember.

by Anonymousreply 15March 26, 2023 3:06 AM

He's been married a few times, but he's an old man. However Macchiavellian and selfish he is, I doubt he is Harvey Weinstein redux. I am not sure if he will have interesting memoirs. He is the kind of person who is self-important enough to write them, but it might just be a lot of name-dropping.

Marc Maron had an episode of his podcast which was called "Lorne Stories" compiling his various guests recounting their interaction with LM.

by Anonymousreply 16March 26, 2023 3:08 AM

He had a frosty relationship with Jane Curtin.

After Show: Jane Curtin’s Relationship With Lorne Michaels

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by Anonymousreply 17March 26, 2023 3:12 AM

I think a lot of gossip will come out after LM’s dies. Unfortunately, he still holds a lot of power and can still affect people’s careers if they were to criticize him. So, I think while he is alive people will continue to kiss his ass.

by Anonymousreply 18March 26, 2023 3:18 AM

Paul Simon is his best friend.

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by Anonymousreply 19March 26, 2023 3:25 AM

I'm shocked most of the actors now only make $8,000 - $15,000 per episode.

by Anonymousreply 20March 26, 2023 3:26 AM

R20, why is it shocking? The cast members start off as unknowns. The show costs a lot to produce due to the union, the large cast, crew, writing and production staff as well as the continuous change in costumes and sets.

Why would they spend a lot on unproven talent?

by Anonymousreply 21March 26, 2023 3:34 AM

[quote]I'm shocked most of the actors now only make $8,000 - $15,000 per episode.

Whatever Molly Kearney makes, she's overpaid by a long shot.

by Anonymousreply 22March 26, 2023 3:40 AM

In the early years they were paid less even though the casts were smaller and advertising revenue was maybe greater because cable, streaming etc hadn't taken away so much of the audience.

by Anonymousreply 23March 26, 2023 3:41 AM

R22, exactly. Everyone thinks about the SNLers that break out but not the numerous Luke Nulls and Molly Kearneys who fall flat.

by Anonymousreply 24March 26, 2023 3:42 AM

Supposedly they make more money going on stand-up tours when they are SNL famous.

by Anonymousreply 25March 26, 2023 3:43 AM

Skit about new cast members. Where are they now?

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by Anonymousreply 26March 26, 2023 4:00 AM

R26 what season was that…?

by Anonymousreply 27March 26, 2023 4:29 AM

R27, Tina has hosted SNL five times. I believe this was from the 4th time she hosted in 2013.

by Anonymousreply 28March 26, 2023 4:32 AM

R17 that clip reminded me that - with all the crap that’s come out on Bill Murray - the women of that cast by all accounts loved him. Which just goes to show - yeah some celebrities are all bad, but most, even the ones with bad stories, are…complicated, with very good and bad sides.

by Anonymousreply 29March 26, 2023 4:32 AM

Tina also included the 6 new cast members in her monologue when she hosted.

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by Anonymousreply 30March 26, 2023 4:36 AM

r14 People really only gossip about him when they hit bottom and have nothing more to lose...

he's that well connected... even legacies don't have the same kind of power he holds. If SNL ever dies, then I expect the dirt will be revealed... although by that time, maybe no one will be alive to remember it.

by Anonymousreply 31March 26, 2023 4:48 AM

R31, because he has fostered so many careers I'm not sure that will happen.

by Anonymousreply 32March 26, 2023 4:51 AM

Fagela loves big schwanz.

by Anonymousreply 33March 26, 2023 5:07 AM

Huge asshole who holds a grudge like you wouldn't believe. It'll be a happy day when he finally dies.

by Anonymousreply 34March 26, 2023 5:15 AM

r32 That's possible... but people aren't that loyal. SNL is really where the seat of his power lies. It's a New York institution. . . which is another reason of why it becomes difficult to criticize. It's not just a show or gave rise to several stars. it's a cultural landmark with history representing the pride of NYC. Even if most New Yorkers don't find it funny. It just has that untouchable taboo.

Outside of being an evil overlord, capable of blacklisting the competition and those that fail to live up to his mediocre standards, he's probably just run of the mill boring and standard industry... I know in the broader J community he's not that respected for a variety of reasons. . . but most of the older Jewish comics that would bust his balls are dead. And what they said in the day didn't amount to much more than an eye roll at a man in charge of a comedy show without a sense of humour.

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by Anonymousreply 35March 26, 2023 5:16 AM

I read Jay Mohr's book Gasping for Airtime several years ago. He owned up about the sketch that he plagiarized and said he had no ill will towards Lorne after being fired at the end of the '94-95 season. Mohr said that he didn't get along with Rob Schneider and Ellen Cleghorne. He said that Ellen was a bigger asshole than Rob. He mentioned fighting with Adam Sandler backstage during a live show. He said it was one time thing. I can't really recall if he dished anything on David Spade or Chris Farley.

Jay didn't like the crazy writing schedule of the show which was similar to Larry David's complaints about the time when he was writer on SNL. In one chapter. Jay talked about how Al Franken was sometimes in charge of producing the pre-filmed sketches and fake commercials. He said that he felt sorry for Al because he sometimes had longer work days than other cast members and writers.

The other dirt that Jay dished in the book was about how hosts had a lot of veto power when it came to which sketches made to dress rehearsal or air time. He also mentioned that hosts were sometimes assholes during the pitch meetings for sketches and during the writing night. He said Marisa Tomei and Shannen Doherty were difficult.

by Anonymousreply 36March 26, 2023 5:18 AM

Bob Odenkirk Regrets Being a “Dick” to Lorne Michaels While at “SNL”

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by Anonymousreply 37March 26, 2023 5:26 AM

Until around 2015, Lorne had sexual access to any female cast member he wanted. It was an unspoken part of the contract. Curtin, Dreyfuss, Fey, Jackson, Wiig, to name a few. Probably many more in the 80s and 90s but these are confirmed.

by Anonymousreply 38March 26, 2023 5:27 AM

There has been rumors that LM helped get Jimmy Fallon the hosting job at Late Night then later helped him get the Tonight Show gig.

by Anonymousreply 39March 26, 2023 5:29 AM

R39, that's not a rumor. Lorne picked Conan to host Late Night and was the producer of the show. NBC didn't want Jimmy to be Conan's replacement. Lorne told NBC executives if they didn't pick Jimmy he would not continue to be the show's producer. After Jimmy did well as the host, NBC was then fine with him replacing Leno.

by Anonymousreply 40March 26, 2023 5:37 AM

R38, Tina and Jane Curtin? Very doubtful. If he was harassing any females it was more likely The Lornettes and not female cast members.

by Anonymousreply 41March 26, 2023 5:38 AM

‘SNL’ Creator Lorne Michaels Hired ‘Several Blond Female Assistants’ — Known to Cast Members as the ‘Lornettes’

According to several former cast members, the creator of the NBC sketch show Saturday Night Live, executive producer Lorne Michaels, had a series of young, blond women as assistants. They were called the “Lornettes.”

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by Anonymousreply 42March 26, 2023 5:40 AM

Dana Carvey on the Night He Met Paul McCartney While Living With Lorne Michaels

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by Anonymousreply 43March 26, 2023 5:46 AM

John Mulaney talking about Lorne starting @ 3:45. And the "lesson" Lorne wanted to impart to him in a story starting @ 5:45.

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by Anonymousreply 44March 26, 2023 5:58 AM

R41, where did you get harassment from my comment? It was transactional but not coerced. He stopped including it in contracts with new cast members around 2015 because he was getting on and he saw times were changing.

by Anonymousreply 45March 26, 2023 5:59 AM

Just nonsense, R45.

by Anonymousreply 46March 26, 2023 6:04 AM

R45 yes I'm sure NBC lawyers allowed an unenforceable sex clause in contracts.

by Anonymousreply 47March 26, 2023 6:12 AM

Bill Hader does a funny impersonation of Lorne name-dropping serial killers.

by Anonymousreply 48March 26, 2023 6:17 AM

Link please r48

by Anonymousreply 49March 26, 2023 6:40 AM

Here, R49.

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by Anonymousreply 50March 26, 2023 6:43 AM

Why Jim Breuer Quit SNL.

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by Anonymousreply 51March 26, 2023 6:47 AM

SNL hasn’t been funny since Cheri O’Terri and Will’s heyday. It’s a legacy show now. I hope it gets cancelled. Don’t forget he put Trump on as host in 2016. Fuck Lorne!

by Anonymousreply 52March 26, 2023 7:02 AM

Lorne David Lipowitz

by Anonymousreply 53March 26, 2023 7:02 AM

Michaels is married to Alice Barry, his former assistant.

by Anonymousreply 54March 26, 2023 7:07 AM

Is he related to Meredith Michaels Bierbaum? Eric idle also mentioned the crazy writing schedule. Some say snl was a bad American copy of Monty Python

by Anonymousreply 55March 26, 2023 7:31 AM

What a tragic event, R51. SNL hit its Zenith with “Goat Boy”and never quite recovered from the loss

by Anonymousreply 56March 26, 2023 7:47 AM

R47, it was discussed and agreed on but not written down, as specified in my first post. Why are you all white knighting Lorne fucking Michaels? This board SUCKS recently. Absolutely bloodless anti-gossip nellies under the impression they’re smart.

by Anonymousreply 57March 26, 2023 8:12 AM

Did I hear my name?

I was molested.

by Anonymousreply 58March 26, 2023 8:34 AM

No one is "white knighting" Lorne, you just said it was confirmed that it was an unspoken part of the contract that women had to fuck him whenever he wanted, but you didn't provide any proof. If it was confirmed, there was proof. Cough up.

by Anonymousreply 59March 26, 2023 10:22 AM

Lorne is mentally abusive and I guess physically too with the mandatory all night writing sessions. He'll build people up then knock them down. His crazily random mass firings of fan favorites and then shoving terrible skits and performers down our throats is so arbitrary. Cast members are discouraged from talking to him and he truly is Lord of the manor. He encourages dysfunction so you'll stay with him and hopefully create a character that will buy him a pool house on St Barts. He loves to split and divide and love bomb and when you look at the myriad of SNL auditoners he rejected, he can clearly and sociopathically suss out who he can safely victimize. He loves damaged people so that he can wreck them more. If he molested Jane Curtin, I'll be so sad for her.

by Anonymousreply 60March 26, 2023 2:40 PM

His management style wouldn't fly at a Tuscaloosa Wal-Mart, yet he'll be lauded til the day he dies as some sort of visionary. He was not

by Anonymousreply 61March 26, 2023 2:45 PM

An interesting list...

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by Anonymousreply 62March 26, 2023 2:48 PM

I adored Ellen Cleghorne during her SNL years and wish that it had been a bigger career.

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by Anonymousreply 63March 26, 2023 2:53 PM

The "contract" thing is ridiculous. If he was inflicting himself on women the Lornettes seem more likely victims. Some of them were nobodies, yet more attractive than all but a few female cast members.

by Anonymousreply 64March 26, 2023 6:05 PM

Agree, R64.

by Anonymousreply 65March 26, 2023 6:13 PM

R62, I was expecting a longer list of people. It's not that many considering how the long the show has been on the air. Plus, some of the people listed were clearly not right for SNL.

by Anonymousreply 66March 26, 2023 6:14 PM

When NBC, Lorne, and Horatio Sanz got sued by a woman saying that Sanz groomed and molested her as a teenager, the Lorenettes were mentioned in her amended complaint. The lawsuit was dismissed. But, the complaint was interesting to read because of claims made about Lorne, Horatio, other cast members, producers, etc. Hard to know what was true, false, or exagerrated.

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by Anonymousreply 67March 26, 2023 6:17 PM

OP, it's interesting how Ellen Cleghorne wasn't even allowed to meet with Lorne while she was a cast member. But then in comparison at R43 it is mentioned that Dana Carvey was living with Lorne before he even made his first appearance on the show! Such widely different treatment of cast members.

by Anonymousreply 68March 26, 2023 7:03 PM

I dislike Lorne. He needs to retire he doesn't have the slightest clue about what is actually funny. Only goes after safe targets.

by Anonymousreply 69March 26, 2023 7:20 PM

Julia Louis-Dreyfuss was on SNL after Lorne Michaels left in the early 80s. She never worked under him until she hosted many years later.

by Anonymousreply 70March 26, 2023 7:21 PM

Makes me wonder how he abused the frail & easily manipulated Gilda over the years. She could have had a prime time show on a weekday, but declined on Lorne's advice?

by Anonymousreply 71March 26, 2023 7:23 PM

Several years ago, when I used to read the Kate McKinnon thread on the original L Chat board there was someone who claimed to have met a SNL crew member and the crew member supposedly told her about the cast members at the time. This is what I remember from the thread.

-Bobby Moynihan and Vanessa Bayer were both friendly with everyone who worked on the show.

-Leslie Jones was a diva type who rarely talked directly with crew members and some of the departments. If she didn't like something on costume, she would have a producer talk to the costume department on her behalf. Kenan Thompson was also an asshole with crew members as well.

-Kate McKinnon and Cecily Strong were quiet, but polite when dealing with crew members.

-Beck Bennett was nice, but supposedly drank too much at times.

The poster could have been bullshitting, but I have always gotten a phony baloney vibe from Leslie Jones. There was also that incident where Jones bitched on twitter about a restaurant in Atlanta giving her poor service. The restaurant shot back at her with the claim that Jones made fun of a waiter's foreign accent. Years ago, Jones stayed at the Ritz Carlton in LA and claimed it was a racist hotel. Wendy Williams said on social media that she had an event for employees scheduled at the Ritz Carlton and wanted to speak to Jones about the racism she experienced because Williams was considering cancelling the event. Also, the twitter account for a Black centric blog or website was also wanting additional details on Jones' experience at the Ritz, but it seemed she never replied to them.

I also recall some story that went around on gossip sites that Beck Bennett was very drunk one night at 30 Rock and took shit out a window.

by Anonymousreply 72March 26, 2023 7:43 PM

I was very puzzled by the quick exit of Leslie Jones. She went from unknown to well known and then back to unknown. Maybe, as someone posted above, it has helped her standup career to have SNL on her resume.

by Anonymousreply 73March 26, 2023 7:58 PM

The vicious online harassment campaign against Jones by racist trolls back in 2016 seemed oddly random. Out of all the assertive black women to harass, why her, a relative nobody? Just because she was in the Ghistbuster’s reboot? Now I wonder if disgruntled SNL crew or personnel were initially behind it, and a bunch of 4chan trolls jumped on board. That would make much more sense.

by Anonymousreply 74March 26, 2023 8:07 PM

^^Ghostbusters, I mean.

by Anonymousreply 75March 26, 2023 8:08 PM

Taran Killam On His Critical Comments About "SNL" & Trump

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by Anonymousreply 76March 26, 2023 8:13 PM

Jane Curtin said her relationship with him was just employee / employer.

She said in the third year when John Belushi was really "getting out of control," she went to Lorne and said, "You have to do something. If you don't help him he's going to die." And then Michaels said, "Not my problem."

Then said after that, the two of them didn't speak, he'd tell Gilda and she'd tell Jane and all their communication went through her.

Jane being gracious as always, said, she thanked him because without him, she would have no career

by Anonymousreply 77March 26, 2023 8:16 PM

Tommy Davidson auditioned in 1987 but was passed over when Lorne Michaels told him they were "not looking for a black comedian".


by Anonymousreply 78March 26, 2023 8:17 PM

R78, that was 36 years ago. Today, SNL has several black cast members.

by Anonymousreply 79March 26, 2023 8:19 PM

R74 I doubt SNL members had anything to do with it. Incel trolls were hissing and raging about Ghostbusters being female and having a POC cast member. Everyone loves to talk about the left having a cancel culture but the far alt right is 10000x worse.

by Anonymousreply 80March 26, 2023 8:21 PM

R79 who cares. Time for Lorne to go!

by Anonymousreply 81March 26, 2023 8:21 PM

[quote] I was very puzzled by the quick exit of Leslie Jones. She went from unknown to well known and then back to unknown. Maybe, as someone posted above, it has helped her standup career to have SNL on her resume.

Her acting just sucks and that's why her career post SNL hasn't been that great. Years ago, when she got nominated for an Emmy, I listened to an LA Times podcast and one of the panelists on the podcast said that he was puzzled by some the SNL cast members who were nominated. He didn't name names, but you could tell he was referring to Jones.

by Anonymousreply 82March 26, 2023 8:52 PM

I was friendly with Vanessa Baer through her brother (The one who she based "Jacob" on). I really like her, although I haven't spoken to her in quite a few years.

by Anonymousreply 83March 26, 2023 8:53 PM

^ Vanessa BAYER

by Anonymousreply 84March 26, 2023 8:54 PM

[quote]Her acting just sucks and that's why her career post SNL hasn't been that great.

True. And she played only one character: Angry Black Woman of a Certain Age. She had poor timing and constantly flubbed her lines. How Jones got hired in the first place is one of the great mysteries of SNL.

by Anonymousreply 85March 26, 2023 9:01 PM

R85 Leslie Jones said in an article that she asked Chris Rock to speak to Lorne on her behalf which her helped initially get hired as a writer.

It irked me how Jones constantly flubbed her lines and was kept around for several seasons, yet the talented Michaela Watkins was fired after one season on SNL.

I also thought Cecily Strong who is a better performer than McKinnon and Jones was shoved off to the sidelines quite a bit.

by Anonymousreply 86March 26, 2023 9:05 PM

Jenny slate should have been forgiven her f bomb. She was more talented than a lot of the one note actors and actresses who stayed at SNL for ages. Lorne is an uptight little bitch.

by Anonymousreply 87March 26, 2023 9:07 PM

^^R86 here, I meant to type "which helped her initially"

by Anonymousreply 88March 26, 2023 9:08 PM

The gossip I heard was him and Kristen Wiig were in a very long term relationship.

by Anonymousreply 89March 26, 2023 9:23 PM

R89, that might explain why she got such a big send-off when she left SNL. I can't think of anyone who got similar treatment.

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by Anonymousreply 90March 26, 2023 9:28 PM

Leslie Jones got lucky with the SNL gig. She's extremely unfunny. Not just average--she sucks. She also doesn't have looks to fall back on. Her non-career is a correction to norm, not the result of any campaign.

by Anonymousreply 91March 26, 2023 9:30 PM

R89, I don't know. It seems like it's kind of put out there that he is always particularly close with one female cast member. Nora Dunn, Wiig and Cecily Strong. But I don't believe it. Like the Lornettes, it seems like it is done to promote a certain image.

by Anonymousreply 92March 26, 2023 9:31 PM

Has Nora Dunn ever said she was in a relationship with Lorne? He wasn't married at the time so why not? It just seems like something she never bothered to contradict.

by Anonymousreply 93March 26, 2023 9:32 PM

I can't prove it but he seems to have gotten a Rose Kennedy grade deal with Satan.

by Anonymousreply 94March 26, 2023 9:34 PM

The women were genreally treated poorly, esp. in the early years. Curtin was married and had a relatively normal life during her SNL years; she was far more conservative than the rest of the cast. I doubt that she would have been casting couch material for Michaels.

by Anonymousreply 95March 26, 2023 9:43 PM

Taran Killam was an arbitrary firing

by Anonymousreply 96March 26, 2023 10:05 PM

Exactly, R95. He seems to have actively disliked her.

by Anonymousreply 97March 26, 2023 10:07 PM

He is a very controlling individual and a woman like Curtin who was married, not a druggie and not desperately insecure and deferential would annoy him. To the extent she was an annoyance by asking him to rein in the totally out of control Belushi, whom she once caught going through her purse- that says a lot about him.

by Anonymousreply 98March 26, 2023 10:10 PM

R96, I think he got fired because he wanted to do a movie and at the time (pre-pandemic) Lorne didn't like SNLers focusing on outside projects during the season. Especially if Lorne had nothing to do with the outside project.

by Anonymousreply 99March 26, 2023 10:11 PM

And that's nuts

by Anonymousreply 100March 26, 2023 10:50 PM

There was some hypocrisy on Lorne's part when it came to firing Taran. In the spring of 2016, he was letting Kate McKinnon and Vanessa Bayer off part of the work weeks to Atlanta so they could film scenes for Office Christmas Party. Yet, months later he didn't want to give the Taran time off to film a movie. Years later, he was letting Pete Davidson take off to film movies and allowed Kate time off to film that Joe vs. Carole series.

by Anonymousreply 101March 26, 2023 11:34 PM

I thought Slate was actually fired for dating another cast member. Armisen? Maybe I’m misremembering though. Mandela Effect.

by Anonymousreply 102March 26, 2023 11:34 PM

Can't remember where I read it, but apparently the afterparty isn't everyone having fun, but a caste system.

Lorne, the guest host, the favored players, and his assistant are in the middle, and the tables around them diminish by "importance" by how far they are from Lorne.

Maybe it was Julia Sweeney who said it.

by Anonymousreply 103March 26, 2023 11:45 PM

Michaela Watkins described the after party caste system on a podcast years ago. I think it was Marc Maron's podcast. I can't remember all the details, but she also said something about NBC sending town cars to pick up the cast members and take them to the after party locations. After her first show, she rode in a town car with Jason Sudeikis and later found that featured players had to ride the same car together and repertory players each rode in a town car.

by Anonymousreply 104March 26, 2023 11:58 PM

R102 I think it was Abby Elliott who was dating Armisen.

by Anonymousreply 105March 27, 2023 12:18 AM

Hasn't there been rumors alleging that Lorne has helped cover up Jimmy Fallon's alleged alcohol issues.

by Anonymousreply 106March 27, 2023 1:43 AM

R106, no. Plus, everyone knows about it.

by Anonymousreply 107March 27, 2023 1:47 AM

[quote][R102] I think it was Abby Elliott who was dating Armisen.

Thanks R105… that’s who I was thinking of.

by Anonymousreply 108March 27, 2023 1:51 AM

Fallon was a choirboy compared to the original Not Ready for Primetime Players.

by Anonymousreply 109March 27, 2023 1:53 AM

R106, there was a picture of Lorne and Jimmy at a brewery holding beer but it looks like it is no longer around. Some pictures of the visit here.

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by Anonymousreply 110March 27, 2023 1:54 AM

Agree with R109. The whole cast in Fallon's era were mostly goody two shoes.

by Anonymousreply 111March 27, 2023 1:57 AM

R109 yeah agreed. Wow he drinks whoaaaa stop the presses. Everyone is a choirboy compared to even the “recreational” people back then.

by Anonymousreply 112March 27, 2023 2:27 AM

He's the most powerful man in television and has the power to blacklist anyone he want. This doesn't need to be communicated for everyone whose worked for him to know this, my dear autists of DL.

by Anonymousreply 113March 27, 2023 9:22 AM

All I know about him is that he produces the most juvenile and consistently poor-quality entertainment on network television, and it offends me that he is as revered and powerful as he is.

Ninety percent (at least) of SNL skits are terrible.

In recent years—particularly as Kate McKinnon was made the star—a huge share of skits relied on 12-year-old humor with the punchlines being farts, diarrhea, menstrual blood, etc. Why not just pay middle schoolers minimum wage to write the scripts?

by Anonymousreply 114March 27, 2023 10:57 AM

I tried that

by Anonymousreply 115March 27, 2023 11:24 AM

Kate McKinnon is an overrated hack and a lot of impersonations of famous like Dr. Fauci, Rudy Giuliani ,etc came off creepy and annoying instead of funny.

by Anonymousreply 116March 27, 2023 3:51 PM

Even the first iteration of SNL back in the 70s was frequently juvenile and stupid, which was fine for stoners or kids and teens whose parents let them stay up late. Gerald Ford falls down a lot. The stupid Samurai shit. Gilda playing an eight-year old. A store that only sells Scotch Tape? SCTV was far superior but it didn’t have the “live” factor that made SNL exciting and unpredictable (especially the musical acts.)

Also, SCTV had no fear of viciously mocking the showbiz community. SNL once had fangs as well. Now when SNL takes on a celebrity, it comes off as an homage. Lorne and company have become kiss-ass capitalists.

by Anonymousreply 117March 27, 2023 3:51 PM

R117, I don't think SNL ever had fangs. I believe I remember one time Norm MacDonald saying he expressed the idea saying that SNL was counter-culture and Lorne telling him SNL was a variety show.

I think the rebel image came from individual SNLers. That's wasn't Lorne's vision of the show.

by Anonymousreply 118March 28, 2023 11:33 PM

Jane Curtin has said, when the show originally began Lorne made it clear to all of the cast that their primary job was to make the guest host look good

Somehow that got lost along the way

by Anonymousreply 119March 28, 2023 11:46 PM

[quote] I believe I remember one time Norm MacDonald saying he expressed the idea saying that SNL was counter-culture and Lorne telling him SNL was a variety show.

That’s ironic, since Lorne described skits he deemed too broad and corny as being “Burnett” (as in Carol) — something to avoid at all costs. Yet the Keenan era is peak Burnett, Kate McKinnon being the Burnettiest of the cast.

by Anonymousreply 120March 29, 2023 1:21 AM

Do you remember that odd night after the election when McKinnon opened the show with Hallelujah?

A bit much. Talk about Burnetty.

by Anonymousreply 121March 29, 2023 2:17 AM

And fuck Lorne Michaels for looking down his nose at Carol Burnett. She's almost Dolly Parton territory. He's... trying too hard and not hard enough all at once.

by Anonymousreply 122March 29, 2023 2:18 AM

The Carol Burnett thing was said over 40 years ago. I'm sure Lorne's thoughts evolved over time. Plus, the early cast members are now senior citizens. Many in the cast today probably have no idea about Carol Burnett.

by Anonymousreply 123March 29, 2023 2:22 AM

100% true he holds a grudge and he's cruel about it. Artie Lange once said on the Stern show that Lorne once purposefully fucked with him years after he rejected SNL for Mad TV. During a low point in his career, Lorne called him to his NY office and then made him wait in the lobby for hours. When he finally met with Artie it was for Lorne to tell him it was a shame he'd gone with Mad TV and then tell him he wouldn't make the SNL cast.

by Anonymousreply 124March 29, 2023 2:48 AM

I can't stand that Lorne will fire someone for looking at him wrong, but Jost and Che get to keep their jobs after years of being the most unfunny and uninspired head writers ever. (Actually the longest serving Weekend Update hosts!)

You can legit find the same quality jokes in any comments section or social media feed.

by Anonymousreply 125March 29, 2023 2:55 AM

[quote] Has Nora Dunn ever said she was in a relationship with Lorne? He wasn't married at the time so why not? It just seems like something she never bothered to contradict.

I don't think she ever admitted to have a past relationship with Lorne. I remember reading some gossip that the reason some cast members didn't side with her during the Andrew Dice Clay host controversy was because they were already annoyed with her relationship with Lorne.

by Anonymousreply 126March 29, 2023 7:41 AM

I can understand people admiring him as a businessperson who has made a lot of money selling least-common denominator product.

I suppose I can understand improv actors admiring him for putting improv-type skits on TV and keeping them there for decades and incubating talent.

But SNL is just so, so poorly written and so low-class (in the sense of potty humor and just braindead, childish humor, not economics) that I resent him for that.

And I really don't understand what's behind it other than selling trash product to an American audience that has an appetite for trash, because during election seasons, the political cold-open skits are usually pretty funny to very funny, regardless of who writes them, but then after the opening monologue it's 70 minutes of farting and pooping and snot.

by Anonymousreply 127March 29, 2023 7:43 AM

R127, you have to remember that SNL employs newbie writers. It mostly functions as a training ground for the young. So there is going to be a lot of dreck.

Here is an example of how one monologue came together. There are a lot of things that go on behind the scenes that don't happen with non-live shows that use experienced staff and that don't bring on random people to host.

Conan O’Brien Got Yelled at by George Steinbrenner at “Saturday Night Live” (2019)

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by Anonymousreply 128April 1, 2023 4:20 PM

Bob Odenkirk Got Yelled at by Jeremy Irons at “SNL”

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by Anonymousreply 129April 1, 2023 4:21 PM

Mick Jagger Told John Mulaney He’s Not Funny

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by Anonymousreply 130April 1, 2023 4:22 PM

When I watch former SNL cast members on other shows, like Seth Meyers, for instance, they are painfully unfunny and yet Seth treats them like royalty. Fred Armisen is a creepy, humorless little homunculus who Seth treats like a god. Chris Kattan was then, and remains today, a fucked up coke addict. Che looks as though he's had it with the show. Aidy Bryant is a good example of someone who was kept on because of her physical dimensions, like Molly currently. I don't know what Kyle Mooney had on Lorne, but he overstayed his welcome by several years. I cringed every time he showed up in a sketch. There was no fucking excuse for someone as loathsome as Pete Davidson. Heidi Gardner is frightenly painful to watch. Every character is the same. The good cast members were exceptional, but in recent years, all have been let down and devalued by the shit writing. And yet, during every commercial break, when they show a glimpse of the next sketch, there's King Lorne, lording over his kingdom. It's ok, his 50 year reign is coming to a close.

by Anonymousreply 131April 1, 2023 4:49 PM

I find that the fewer women in a SNL skit, the less funny it is, with some exceptions. Men writing for men has been boring to me on SNL, but the predominantly male writers still don’t always know how to write funny skits with women so there have been fewer skits with women historically (although it has gotten way better since the 70s-early 90s in that regard).

Also, really tired of Che and Jost on Weekend Update. Tina Fey was a lot funnier in this role. When will we see another woman in the Weekend Update role?

No matter what, Lorne loves men best and thinks they should always be at the forefront (and always wants more men in the cast). It shows in the writing and casting.

by Anonymousreply 132April 1, 2023 5:42 PM

[quote]]Mick Jagger Told John Mulaney He’s Not Funny

And John Mulaney threated to give him a fat lip and Mick said "too late"

by Anonymousreply 133April 1, 2023 6:38 PM

R125 Lorne keeps Jost and Che around because they, like him, have closet Republican tendencies. Just look how he begged Elon Musk to host.

by Anonymousreply 134April 1, 2023 7:27 PM

[quote]The stupid Samurai shit.

If John Belushi were around today, those Samurai sketches would have him cancelled in two seconds.

by Anonymousreply 135April 1, 2023 7:45 PM

If the show was cut back to an hour would it be better? They wouldn't need to run as many weak sketches and maybe could could cut loose some of the less talented cast members.

I only see clips these days and only when people make a big deal out of it and the writing does seem very weak.

by Anonymousreply 136April 4, 2023 12:27 PM

R132, I think Lorne changed his opinions on women after Tina Fey was hired. That brought about a real shift. Tina, Amy, Maya, Rachel. Kristin Wiig and Kate McKinnon were heavily featured as cast members.

by Anonymousreply 137April 8, 2023 5:47 PM

"I'm shocked most of the actors now only make $8,000 - $15,000 per episode."

So $176,000 minimum to $330,000 maximum (based on 22 episodes per season) Could carve out a decent life in NYC if not "live large." They're generally young actors able to live an NYC creative life and enjoy the city somewhat beyond work. Plus a chance for exposure via SNL. It really doesn't sound that bad. Plus there's an "off season" when they can make additional money.

by Anonymousreply 138April 10, 2023 6:36 AM

Pete Davidson to Host 'SNL' For First Time Since Departure

Davidson returns to 30 Rock on May 6.

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by Anonymousreply 139April 13, 2023 4:11 PM

Why have so many SNL alums turned into such freaks?

by Anonymousreply 140April 13, 2023 4:40 PM

R140, like who?

by Anonymousreply 141April 13, 2023 4:52 PM

R139, that's like the kid who just graduated returning to school the next year. Not enough time has gone by. At all.

by Anonymousreply 142April 13, 2023 6:11 PM

R142, your post reminds me of this SNL skit:

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by Anonymousreply 143April 13, 2023 6:36 PM

If you are over 30 and still tuning into SNL on Saturday nights, hoping against hope that it will be as funny as it once was, you need to erase SNL from your radar. Over 30 is not their demographic. You need to pass the torch and pass it fondly. Pass it to that group of kids sitting outside the Quad saying 'Did you see tha---fucking HILARIOUS--I know! And what about Harry Styles Flight Attendant School? lol! lol! lol!" etc.

by Anonymousreply 144April 13, 2023 8:05 PM

In the book Live from New York, Terry Sweeney said that Lorne Michaels wasn't homophobic at all, but Chevy Chase said in the writer's room when he hosted in front of everyone, "You're gay, right? Why don't you lick my balls"

And he had an idea for a recurring sketch to weigh Terry on-air every week to see if he had Aids

by Anonymousreply 145April 16, 2023 2:50 AM

R145 I don’t even know if he’s necessarily homophobic; he just has absolutely no idea how to read a room. And zero “sensitivity chip” so to speak.

by Anonymousreply 146April 16, 2023 2:55 AM

Agree with r146. You think Chase gave enough of a shit about other people’s behavior to be homophobic? Unlikely. He was just telling jokes.

by Anonymousreply 147April 16, 2023 2:57 AM

The Sweeney Sisters is the best SNL will ever be

by Anonymousreply 148April 16, 2023 3:07 AM

Julia Sweeney is really smart, as you can tell if you've seen any of her one-woman shows.

She was working as an accountant when she was hired at SNL.

Aside from Pat, her humor is far more NPR than SNL. When NPR was pushing Sarah Vowell on us (remember that era? we had sufficient very quickly) I thought it was a shame they didn't have Julia instead.

by Anonymousreply 149April 16, 2023 3:09 AM

Some people on this thread have an odd idea of what "homophobic" means.

by Anonymousreply 150April 17, 2023 3:35 AM
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