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The Rise of Incels…

I’m taken a little aback by this movement. Growing up I saw the most unattractive, awkward and dim witted guys still having girlfriends and sex. Granted these woman weren’t the most attractive or popular, but still neither party was single. It also calls into question on how many single women I see nowadays ranging from beautiful to slightly homely. I understand the idea of an independent woman, but is companionship becoming obsolete.

Are the current younger generations in belief that they deserve the most desirable of the species despite whatever physical , emotional or mental qualities they lack?

Also, why don’t we see a large incel community within the gay community?

by Anonymousreply 183May 23, 2023 1:07 PM

[quote] why don’t we see a large incel community within the gay community?

Since they're ugly, thy don't post selfies or go out much. Dummy.

by Anonymousreply 1March 14, 2023 6:47 PM

Why do we have a new thread on this topic every 4 days?

Why are posters on a gay website obsessed with ugly straight men who wish them death?

by Anonymousreply 2March 14, 2023 6:50 PM

[quote]Also, why don’t we see a large incel community within the gay community?

Because straight women won't fuck these ugly straight incels and it's driving them insane. Even the ugly gay guys can probably get someone to have sex with them.

The connection between the rise of the incels and the rise of the AGP/trans is fascinating. If it weren't for the block on studying all things trans (at least anything that might put a bad spin on it), that would make for some good sociological studies.

by Anonymousreply 3March 14, 2023 6:56 PM

I don’t think there’s a rise of incels, I think there’s a lot of younger men who have no interest in relationships or marriage and with the rise of independent educated women, they’re having a hard time finding someone decent and on their level.

I don’t know if that’s defined as being an incel.

It’s weird. I feel like straight people are becoming more “gay and lesbian” and gay and lesbians are becoming more “straight”.

I read an article not too long ago that showed young gay people wanted to get married and have children one day. Whereas straight young people today don’t want either.

I don’t know where I’m going with this but I guess I don’t know what an incel is anymore. It’s so broad now.

by Anonymousreply 4March 14, 2023 6:59 PM

I will also add, I’m very happy to be gay and don’t have to assimilate, conform, or accommodate the opposite sex. Gay men don’t have to deal with women’s bullshit and lesbians don’t have to deal with men’s bullshit. It works.

by Anonymousreply 5March 14, 2023 7:00 PM

I think less women are settling for loser guys. At this point women can make their own money and have children with sperm donors. Why would they be with an ugly guy with a small dick who doesn’t make money? Those guys still feel entitled to women because they were raised to think they had that option. They get online and air their grievances with other losers and form sort of a cult about it. Hence incel. Some have realized they can get attention and women potentially by becoming trans. They’re all losers just wearing different clothes.

by Anonymousreply 6March 14, 2023 7:03 PM

R4, it's in the name. Incel = involuntarily celibate. They want it, they just can't get it because they are fucking losers and, instead of putting in any effort on themselves, just get angry at women in general. Then, they put on a dress and pretend to be their own dream girl while masturbating and half the world pretends they're actually women. Insanity all around.

by Anonymousreply 7March 14, 2023 7:04 PM

^also, men used to be better able to make decent money without a degree or without trying too hard. Now that is not the case so they have nothing to offer.

by Anonymousreply 8March 14, 2023 7:04 PM

[quote]Are the current younger generations in belief that they deserve the most desirable of the species despite whatever physical , emotional or mental qualities they lack?

It's not about what straight women think they "deserve", it's about who makes their pussy wet and who doesn't. I'm pretty sure that it's a natural thing for women to be a lot more selective than men (gay OR straight), but back in the day there used to be a lot of pressure for women to partner up and pop out kids. So many were forced to spread their legs for guys they felt zero attraction to. What a miserable life that must have been.

by Anonymousreply 9March 14, 2023 7:12 PM

[quote]I understand the idea of an independent woman, but is companionship becoming obsolete.

Are straight men and straight women really good companions for each other though?

by Anonymousreply 10March 14, 2023 7:15 PM

I understand and accept that I’m damaged. It’s a lot of work personally to have regard for other people. Frankly, I’d rather jerk off to some silly porn than waste time on some fellow damaged person. I don’t get being mad at people who won’t sleep with you though; that’s weird. Just ignore them completely.

by Anonymousreply 11March 14, 2023 7:17 PM

Amazing that the Klan Grannies on DL can turn a thread on incels into trans-bashing.

Kudos, Girls! Bull Connor would be proud!

by Anonymousreply 12March 14, 2023 7:19 PM

There are few gay incels because men are not sexually selective to nearly the same degree that women are. For example - almost every straight guy is attracted to the average woman, or would willingly sleep with her - but straight women rate over 50% of men as being only a 2/10. Without pressure to marry from the family and the community and without wars cutting the male population down straight men are fucked. If I pick 10 random guys out between 20 and 30, only maybe 2 or 3 of them would be fuckable to less than a third of women on a looks basis alone - and then out of those 2 or 3 even less have adequate social or personal traits to maintain a relationship. But the general difference in mating selectivity is hard to exaggerate about. Handsome and highly desired straight guys will fuck women they consider unattractive because they're bored - women will NEVER do that, so over time the access plain girls have to sex with hot guys through tinder and similar apps has also warped their selectivity even more. There isn't going to be a solution to this - I think in ten years we'll be reading things like over half of men in their 20s are virgins or haven't had sex in years. And the guys who are having sex will be having more and more partners than ever before.

by Anonymousreply 13March 14, 2023 7:24 PM

My niece has 2 half brothers and both of them are in their mid 20s ,fat and live at home with their mother. The "skinnier" one isnt hideous,but has zero social skills. The fatter one is just gross all the way around. They both live on their computers,rarely work and to my knowledge have never dated or even had a girlfriend . There has always been Incels,but the internet made their population grow like hangers in a closet ! We all knew someone who wasnt dateable,but they were rare then.My own 2 blood nephews are far better looking and one only lost his virginity at the age of 22 . Of course he fell in love with the bitch who is 10 years older than him with 2 kids no less. Im convinced the other one hasnt ever gotten laid either. He still lives at home and doesnt date,though hes cute and with a good job. What a fucked up world.

by Anonymousreply 14March 14, 2023 7:25 PM

There's plenty of them on this message board, just look around.

by Anonymousreply 15March 14, 2023 7:26 PM

You know, sometimes I think you bitches have never left the house?

by Anonymousreply 16March 14, 2023 7:29 PM

Young people don't know how to relate to people unless it's online. Face to face communication skills are pretty much gone.

by Anonymousreply 17March 14, 2023 7:30 PM

They've been radicalized by the right-wing manosphere. It's a coordinated effort to destroy Western liberal democracy.

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by Anonymousreply 18March 14, 2023 7:34 PM

R12 the incel to trans pipeline is real. It’s mostly white men who do this so on olden days they’d probably join the Klan instead!

by Anonymousreply 19March 14, 2023 7:39 PM

The weird thing is the incels are very anti gay male too which makes no sense, you would think they would encourage gay men, because the more gay men there are, the more available pussy for them , less competition

It's like how all straight men seemingly want everyone to love pussy, they're always trying to get girls to lez out, but then bitch that there's no available pussy, if everyone wanted to date women, it would be a catastrophe for straight men wanting to score

HAVE IT MAKE SENSE!

by Anonymousreply 20March 14, 2023 7:40 PM

R20 it is never not hilarious schadenfreude to me when a girl who is pushed/pressured by a man to try bisexuality then turns lesbian and dumps his ass and swears off men altogether. It happens more often than people realise.

by Anonymousreply 21March 14, 2023 7:42 PM

I'm a thisthreadcel

by Anonymousreply 22March 14, 2023 7:43 PM

R20, logic is not their strong suit, and they're driven by hate anyway, not logic. It's not hard to figure out.

What doesn't make sense to me is why this topic gets discussed so much on a gay website. Who fucking cares about these losers?

by Anonymousreply 23March 14, 2023 7:47 PM

My guess is that it appeals to the ‘str8 guy’ fetishists here.

“If they constantly strike out with women, maybe they’ll then take a chance with guys, specifically me!”

by Anonymousreply 24March 14, 2023 7:52 PM

Well porn and sex dolls have become more popular. Maybe we should stop virgin shaming and making masturbation seem like some weird thing.

by Anonymousreply 25March 14, 2023 7:56 PM

So-called 'solosexuality' is on the rise among men--basically a celibate lifestyle committed to edging and masturbating alone.

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by Anonymousreply 26March 14, 2023 8:04 PM

Being a straight man means having a certain level of confidence and testosterone. That's what attracts women and keeps the species going. Weaker men are going to spend their lives on video games and porn. They won't reproduce because survival of the fittest.

by Anonymousreply 27March 14, 2023 8:07 PM

Prostitution and pornography weren't seen as a bad thing in pre-Abrahamic cultures. Men regardless of status would seek out prostitutes for recreational sex. Marriage was purely for procreative purposes and often times was arranged. Prostitutes had a high status in some societies and were trained in the arts and entertainment. While romantic love and marital love always existed, the act of sex was not seen as an inmate aspect of those relationships. Christianity and Islam made the association of love and sex as sacred covenants that only could exist under marriage.

by Anonymousreply 28March 14, 2023 8:11 PM

R28 seconded. Abrahamic belief systems are the most poisonous thing to happen to our world, beside actual poison from pollution. They ruined sex, companionship, family structure, art, trade & commerce, food, and even war quite frankly (dr0nestr!kes ordered from millions of miles away by vindictive ideologue nerds are less honest than a sword in the neck).

by Anonymousreply 29March 14, 2023 8:17 PM

[quote] why don’t we see a large incel community within the gay community?

Most incels are anti-gay. These are the guys who always seem to respond to Twitter with negative comments about gays, women and trans people.

by Anonymousreply 30March 14, 2023 8:21 PM

I don't get incels. This should be a golden age for them. They have the internet, and fleshlights and maybe even a real doll if they can swing the cost. Why do they even care if they can get a live women? Guaranteed it is not because they actually want a romantic relationship or have actual feelings for another human being.

by Anonymousreply 31March 14, 2023 8:26 PM

R31 exactly. For these guys it's not even about sex, that's an insidious false complaint. It's about the fact they don't get to have society legally provide them with a live in bangmaid+nurse/nanny+cook+therapist+replacement Mommy that they also get to fuck without having to put in any effort to be fuckable.

by Anonymousreply 32March 14, 2023 8:28 PM

R31, the problem with sex dolls is that you can’t hurt them.

by Anonymousreply 33March 14, 2023 8:29 PM

R29 Yes they were used to exploit the masses and the original versions of whatever they preached got corrupted very quickly by imperialists once the word got out. The idea that people had no concept of pacifism, love, justice or compassion or that women had no agency or rights before Abrahamic faiths has been debunked by so many historical records and discoveries. Basically Orphism, Stoicism, Zoroastrianism, Aristotelianism, Buddhism and Platonism were gaining traction in the Mediterranean world and originated a lot of the humanist ideas that early Christians, Jews and Muslims adapted. Military warlords learned that teaching people to be ashamed of their sexual desires and bodies and creating the idea of an eternal punishment like hell would make it easy to manipulate the masses. Christians and Muslims were obsessed with sex way more than any other religion. And imported that sexual negativity and homophobia to the world even non-Abrahamic countries like India and Japan

by Anonymousreply 34March 14, 2023 8:31 PM

Men who are 4-5s at best have always believed they deserved 10s. Actually most men regardless of how attractive they are believe they deserve 10s.

by Anonymousreply 35March 14, 2023 8:32 PM

R35 I wonder how much of this is cultural. American media is big on perfection and an unobtainable ideal. Look at how much plastic everything is in The US. Celebrities who look like Barbies with tons of makeup, fake hair and plastic surgery. India and East Asia has that similar issue with hyper-perfection where perfectly clear white skin and big eyes is idealized which is worse because they aren't white.

by Anonymousreply 36March 14, 2023 8:35 PM

Women just don't need men anymore to survive. As recently as the 70s when the workforce was comprised mostly of men, and women had fewer education and career opportunities, a woman had to grab whatever decent man she could find or she'd be labeled an "old maid" by age 23.

Now, more women than men go to college, and the pay gap is narrowing. They're financially independent. They settle only when they want to, not because they HAVE to. Therefore women have higher standards than they did in the past. They want men to do half of the cooking and housework. (Some men are resentful about this after having watched their father and grandfathers do jack shit at home.).

And, it turns out that, in spite of what "society/science" told us, women do care about their partner's looks. This has never been more evident than in online dating, where everyone is forced to make decisions according to looks. Men have always judged women by their looks. And now that women are doing the same to them, they can't handle it. (In incel forums, it's not uncommon to see a man say, "I know I'm a 2 or a 3, but I just cannot date a woman who I think is less than an 8." Socially awkward, poor, chubby, prematurely balding men with bad skin think they should be dating models so they won't even look at women who might be willing to give them a chance.

Many women are taking themselves out of the dating game after repeated disappointing experiences. (Apparently a lot of straight men want to play video games all day, and they expect to have violent porn-style sex.) Also the overturning of Roe vs. Wade has killed women's sex drive because they don't want to be chained for life to a hook-up if their birth control fails. If they want to become mothers, they can go to a sperm bank and buy the milk without the cow. Then they have one less person they have to take care of.

by Anonymousreply 37March 14, 2023 8:42 PM

I think straight women will also buy sex with goodlooking guys. Gigolos will see a rise. If you look into history, women who were highly educated and wealthy showed a preference for beautifully, younger and weaker men. You see this in fiction and films created by women, a lot of the idealized male objects are on the androgynous or submissive side.

Women have had no choice historically but to settle for less. Now women are enjoying higher status because they are outperforming men in education and the workforce. Men are either going to have to step up to the plate and work harder or just beautify themselves. Some younger guys are becoming more vain and whorish like on Instagram and TikTok.

by Anonymousreply 38March 14, 2023 8:49 PM

Or, just throwing it out there, they could try to develop empathy and true partnerships, rather than focusing on shallow pursuits.

by Anonymousreply 39March 14, 2023 8:52 PM

R26 It’s the rise of the - Rub One Out - generation. Quick, easy and lazy.

by Anonymousreply 40March 14, 2023 9:00 PM

I think we as a forum are interested in this just because it's interesting. Just an interesting topic, no magic.

Here's another issue: a lot of girls are fat now. To a lot of guys, that is worse than ugly. I used to discuss Paula Jones vs. Monica Lewinsky with my brother, who said guys he knew discussed it, and that at least a LOT of them would pick Paula. I was and am shocked by this, because I think Monica is really very pretty. My brother said that the guys just said "she's fat." And the thing was, she was 90's fat, which was really just cute and chubby. She still put a lot of effort into her hair and makeup and outfits (and thong panties, ha ha). So you have these big gals, and they get looked down on by angry guys with no social skills, and it's a big old mess.

Meanwhile, my son is too skinny but I try to make sure he has a decent, preppy haircut. He is tall, so there is that. The other day I was trying to explain to him how frat parties used to work (you pay and behave yourself, you get into the party. You get a beer and might ask some girl to dance, but even if she says no it's not the end of the world. She might be a misfit herself). He's still in high school but I worry. My daughter will get guys to talk to no matter what, because she's female (and not fat). I know it's got to be tough for men to put themselves out there. Not that I feel sorry for incels. Plus I certainly would have loved the option of texting back and forth with romantic interests, but there was no such thing.

by Anonymousreply 41March 14, 2023 9:08 PM

R41 Monica has the same body type as Nigella Lawson, voluptuous curvy goddess. This is desirable to a lot of men.

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by Anonymousreply 42March 14, 2023 9:15 PM

Another factor is that in the past people didn't have much option other than to hang out with each other in person while nowadays you can spend a lot of time on the internet, playing video games, watching video and TV at home. There's more working from home as well. That means a lot fewer opportunities for younger people to connect with other people in the physical world.

by Anonymousreply 43March 14, 2023 9:16 PM

What I don't get is that there's so much information out there from the mare's mouth about how women want to be treated. Men if they cared to do their research, listen to womens' words and act on them, could seriously get so much more pussy than they do.

But no, they choose to listen to PUA scammer men try to give them fake step-by-steps on 'Game' and 'NLP' that always fucking backfires because women are raised to have second-senses about creepy dudes.

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by Anonymousreply 44March 14, 2023 9:27 PM

R39, that sounds like a lot of effort and quite risky. Many will decline the offer.

by Anonymousreply 45March 14, 2023 9:29 PM

[quote] less women

fewer

by Anonymousreply 46March 14, 2023 9:30 PM

The only complex and non 100%-repulsive depiction of an incel I've ever seen in fiction is from Nick Stahl in 'Disturbing Behaviour'.

For most of the movie, I half-understood why his character was the way he was, and thought it a shame that he lived in such a weird creepy way and therefore wasn't seeing any action. Then the ending happened, and I didn't care about the character anymore.

Also helps that Nick IRL is kind of pretty and a celebrity (Hollywood Homely, basically), probably too nice-looking to be incel.

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by Anonymousreply 47March 14, 2023 9:34 PM

[quote]What I don't get is that there's so much information out there from the mare's mouth about how women want to be treated. Men if they cared to do their research, listen to womens' words and act on them, could seriously get so much more pussy than they do.

The point is that they don't want to do this. Unlike women they have not been socialized to do this. There's still an expectation they grow up with that women are primarily there to meet their emotional and sexual needs (as well as housework/childcare) instead of it being more of an equal partnership. People hate giving up things they feel entitled to.

by Anonymousreply 48March 14, 2023 9:35 PM

That's because all the cool chicks are lesbians.

by Anonymousreply 49March 14, 2023 9:36 PM

R43 That is so true. A lot of people have been brainwashed by Hollywood and social media to think that they will bump into the love of their life and fall madly in love and that they deserve a 10. People have high and unrealistic expectations from American media and that hookup culture is also legitimate and carefree. But that's not how relationships work. Majority of romantic and sexual relationships come from people you know. Whether they are your neighbor, lifelong friend, coworker, classmate, friend of a friend, etc. Proximity is the big factor in relationships forming. But not just that, also getting to know a person and their personality. Once you get to know someone, they go from average or unremarkable to incredibly sexy and even gorgeous because you see them in a different light. Studies showed couples in love, overrate their partners physical attractiveness. Overall, in order to maintain any relationship, whether it be a friendship or romance, is reliability, patience and ability to compromise. A lot of people are just simply too selfish for this and instant gratification from social media, drugs and video games and other things are easier than the hard work that comes from relationships. Many people can't get laid if they can't even maintain friendships. Friends-to-lovers is the most common form of romantic and sexual relationships.

by Anonymousreply 50March 14, 2023 9:39 PM

There are always posts on this topic because it's very interesting.

Incels aren't really about sex - otherwise they wouldn't hate all women who aren't 10s. It's about status - they want to be good looking and have a trophy wife/girlfriend. That's why they are always obsessed with Alpha/Beta male bullshit and obsessed with plastic surgery.

by Anonymousreply 51March 14, 2023 9:40 PM

R51 A lot of them seem to have some latent bisexuality/homosexuality with their obsession with male influencers, bodybuilders and actors/models who they perceive as alpha-males like Sean O'Pry or Alex Eubank. Some of these incels become bodybuilders, so many former fat nerdy and socially awkward kids I know got into bodybuilding yet still have no social skills and go too overboard with the juicing and anorexia.

by Anonymousreply 52March 14, 2023 9:42 PM

So true about status - a lot of this is about their ego being hurt. If it were purely about sex then they probably would be just as well off paying an escort. It probably even works out as cheaper than being in some relationships and an expensive divorce. But no, they want to be wanted, to have that status.

by Anonymousreply 53March 14, 2023 9:44 PM

[quote] In order to maintain any relationship, whether it be a friendship or romance, is reliability, patience and ability to compromise. A lot of people are just simply too selfish for this and instant gratification from social media, drugs and video games and other things are easier than the hard work that comes from relationships. Many people can't get laid if they can't even maintain friendships.

Very true. Dopamine addiction is fucking up quite a lot of minds and bodies too much to participate in healthy relationships.

After all, orgasm and infatuations follow the same dopamine reward pathway as drug use, getting drunk, bingeing on food, social media, video gaming and gambling. The neurochemical pleasure release is the same. So if a young, weak, depressed, shy, anxious and restless young man is used to the former and not the latter, he isn't incentivised to go and pursue the former.

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by Anonymousreply 54March 14, 2023 9:46 PM

One thing I always wondered is that if the whole incel thing is more common in the US than in other developed nations. Is this a big thing in say, France or England for example?

by Anonymousreply 55March 14, 2023 9:47 PM

[quote] Some of these incels become bodybuilders, so many former fat nerdy and socially awkward kids I know got into bodybuilding yet still have no social skills and go too overboard with the juicing and anorexia.

Yes, totally.

My BIL, who I suspect is closeted bi but comes from a religious mooselamb family, is body dysmorphic and almost got ED and steroid injuries from bodybuilding culture. On the other end of the spectrum, one of my nerdy bookish cousins almost starved himself to death (Darfur orphan levels--the images are burned in my brain) because a girl he liked in highschool wouldn't fuck him.

by Anonymousreply 56March 14, 2023 9:48 PM

R55 cf. the dystopian work of Houellebecq

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by Anonymousreply 57March 14, 2023 10:55 PM

R55 I'd guess it's about as common in those countries.

Here's a self-identified incel who went on a spree shooting last year in the UK (killed five people, injured two others and then killed himself). He was also diagnosed as autistic.

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by Anonymousreply 58March 14, 2023 11:05 PM

I'm surprised no one has mentioned that a huge chunk of incels are autistic.

Unfortunately, autistic people are socially awkward AND can have OCD (in this case, about relationships/dating/being wanted). It's a bad combination.

by Anonymousreply 59March 15, 2023 1:00 AM

R59 99% of the time it's autistic men, though. Women with ASD rarely ever pick up guns or stalk or even redpill, they just don't. Even the femcels just kind of shrug and say it is what it is, and immerse in their hobbies or work or fantasy worlds to cope.

by Anonymousreply 60March 15, 2023 1:04 AM

R60 Would be interesting to learn why. If only the autism community would take this issue seriously...

by Anonymousreply 61March 15, 2023 1:09 AM

R61 because it's so obvious no research is necessary? A: Testosterone poisoning. Next question.

by Anonymousreply 62March 15, 2023 1:15 AM

R62 Why is the Earth not flat?

by Anonymousreply 63March 15, 2023 1:19 AM

These troglodytes want a skinny fuckable mom/maid type with big tits a beautiful face and no opinion when said troglodyte wants to game and post racist manifestos online for 15 hours a day. They can't find it and now they're shooting mad

by Anonymousreply 64March 15, 2023 1:26 AM

Women used to put work into men- cut his hair, help him with his career, etc. Now they won't. And they'll all die single and childless.

But they are NOT invited to the club.

by Anonymousreply 65March 15, 2023 1:32 AM

R65 why should women help men when all they get is abuse or weaponised incompetence or dismissal in return?

by Anonymousreply 66March 15, 2023 1:34 AM

R65 is scary.

by Anonymousreply 67March 15, 2023 1:46 AM

R66, yeah that's the only outcome. Ok. Fuck it.

Jesus Christ. Here's the truth honey- the beautiful, successful men don't want anything less. A six can get a nice six and spit shine him up, or just wait on that 8+ that will fuck her and bounce. But it won't lead to a relationship.

by Anonymousreply 68March 15, 2023 1:47 AM

Can’t speak for incels but putting up with people is hard for anyone.

by Anonymousreply 69March 15, 2023 2:08 AM

R65 men need to stop looking for a surrogate mommy

by Anonymousreply 70March 15, 2023 2:16 AM

R68 here's another truth, *honey*--not all woman want an LTR from a man, some actually do just want to fuck and then kick him out. Not every woman is actually an aspiring Stepford Wife, *Jesus Christ*.

by Anonymousreply 71March 15, 2023 2:17 AM

R65 needs a mommy so, so bad. Sad.

by Anonymousreply 72March 15, 2023 2:19 AM

Incels "rose" about 10 years ago

Stay Gold, Datalounge.

Stay Gold

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by Anonymousreply 73March 15, 2023 2:23 AM

No worries frauen. But why do you think a gay man agrees with you?

by Anonymousreply 74March 15, 2023 2:29 AM

R71 and heres an even bigger truth ... women that say they dont want marriage havent been asked. You must not have known many women over your life. I never met one where the man and a ring werent their preferred prey. Unless they were our lesbian sisters.

by Anonymousreply 75March 15, 2023 2:37 AM

[quote] Women that say they don't want marriage haven't been asked. You must not have known many women over your life. I never met one where the man and a ring weren't their preferred prey.

Actual women raised by women in a matriarchal family, lmfao. Most women these days happily enjoy apps and serial men and girlfriends in-between, and those who are unfortunate enough to be married can't wait to jettison the adult baby they're saddled with.

Fail to be clueless incellatious parasite, R75.

by Anonymousreply 76March 15, 2023 3:35 AM

R65, women don't have to settle anymore. "Dying alone" is better than a lot of the options out there. And women don't need a man to have kids. They can go to a sperm bank and buy the milk without the cow. But you know what? Not every woman wants or needs kids to be fulfilled. It's not the 1950s anymore.

Being a bangmaid and handling 95 percent of the housework and child care is not the prize you think it is. Well, maybe for you it would be. And you might get your chance, since some of these incels are considering switching teams to avoid the loneliness.

by Anonymousreply 77March 15, 2023 3:58 AM

It reminds me of Joe Jackson's song Real men:

Time to admit what you call defeat

'Cause there's women running past you now

And you just drag your feet

by Anonymousreply 78March 15, 2023 4:29 AM

I think the rating system actually plays into incel culture. It creates this idea that a person has a static value and that value entitles them to something. That's why you hear stuff like "I'm a 7 so I definitely deserve a partner who is a 7-10". Ironic that so many people in this thread are laughing at incels while co-opting their worldview and language.

by Anonymousreply 79March 15, 2023 4:48 AM

I feel like the central premise of incels completely misses the point about women in modern society vs. olden eras. It's not like high status women settled for low status men back in the 1800's either (Would the daughter of a wealthy family of the time ever marry a random industrial worker for example?). What's changed is that women are much more likely to be high status vis a vis men, not that women are no longer willing to "settle."

Having a steady job used to be enough for a man to attract a wife, but that wasn't because the women he was attracting were "settling" status wise; it was because women didn't have steady jobs themselves. They might have settled in terms of physical or romantic attraction, but simply being a woman made you so low status in previous eras that any marriage would be marrying up. That's what's no longer the case; not the propensity of women to settle.

by Anonymousreply 80March 15, 2023 4:49 AM

OP.:

Social media propaganda.

Pornography.

Zero interpersonal social interaction and hence, skills to communicate effectively face to face with others, including women.

Depression.

Obesity.

by Anonymousreply 81March 15, 2023 4:51 AM

Maybe we’re making assumptions about people even being worth chasing/knowing/acknowledging.

by Anonymousreply 82March 15, 2023 5:02 AM

[quote]Being a straight man means having a certain level of confidence and testosterone.

You mean there is an expectation of that. Being tiny dicked, little balled, squeaky voiced incels doesn't mean these guys aren't straight.

by Anonymousreply 83March 15, 2023 5:11 AM

It’s not that wonderful to be a single mother even with a big family/support network. Lose your job and the world won’t be as rosy. Ditto for single women who don’t have the burden of a male partner. Get sick, get fired, get old and being alone is quite scary.

by Anonymousreply 84March 15, 2023 5:11 AM

[quote] Why are posters on a gay website obsessed with ugly straight men who wish them death?

All that needs to be said. I mean, are we supposed to give a fuck what straight men and women do? Posters like r84 are probably either an unhappy straight woman or bitter MRA.

by Anonymousreply 85March 15, 2023 6:17 AM

It seems most young straight guys are unfuckable these days. So awful to look on Reddit and see a million of these broke losers posting their dicks. No one will fuck these guys. A big part is being broke. Girls hate broke guys and taking the bus. There is not much of a line between the unfuckable broke guys and incels. In the olden days, these low lives would fuck fat girls but not anymore. They think they can get super models.

by Anonymousreply 86March 15, 2023 6:33 AM

Broke guys who like women, are kind, funny and genuinely respect women will still get sex. They can even find sugar mamas. Men (of any economic level) who hate women, will not laid. Women can smell that on them and are rightfully scared away.

by Anonymousreply 87March 15, 2023 6:52 AM

Fuck that shit. Gramps. Have you actually spoken to any girls and what they like. No girl will fuck a broke loser.

by Anonymousreply 88March 15, 2023 7:01 AM

[quote]No girl will fuck a broke loser.

Just simply not true, there are tons of broke men who have girlfriends. Especially if he's good-looking and connects well with women.

by Anonymousreply 89March 15, 2023 7:04 AM

[quote]and heres an even bigger truth ... women that say they dont want marriage havent been asked. You must not have known many women over your life. I never met one where the man and a ring werent their preferred prey. Unless they were our lesbian sisters.

Not a truth at all unless you think that these women couldn't get married if they wanted to: Tyra Banks, Marisa Tomei, Winona Ryder, Chelsea Handler, Oprah, Diane Keaton, Stevie Nicks, Coco Chanel, Kourtney Kardashian, Lauren Graham, Kylie Minogue, Lucy Liu, Allison Janney, Edie Falco, Mary-Louise Parker...

by Anonymousreply 90March 15, 2023 7:10 AM

R89 Watch the Golden Girls, and STFU. Loser.

by Anonymousreply 91March 15, 2023 7:24 AM

[quote]Women used to put work into men- cut his hair, help him with his career, etc. Now they won't. And they'll all die single and childless. But they are NOT invited to the club.

And yet don't you think it's interesting that it's mostly straight men who are angry that women won't fuck or marry them while women are more likely to say 'I'd rather be single than in a relationship with them'? And some women don't want children at all.

by Anonymousreply 92March 15, 2023 7:26 AM

R91 That's hilarious. The Golden Girls is a sitcom and fictional. Get out into the real world and start observing real people.

by Anonymousreply 93March 15, 2023 7:28 AM

Exactly what club are these women who don't want to act as mommies to grown ass men not allowed into?

by Anonymousreply 94March 15, 2023 7:31 AM

R93 Watching and worshiping the Golden Girls is always pejorative, you fucking moron.

by Anonymousreply 95March 15, 2023 7:42 AM

R95 I wouldn't know, since I've never seen the Golden Girls and don't care to either.

by Anonymousreply 96March 15, 2023 7:44 AM

"Also, why don’t we see a large incel community within the gay community?"

We keep our finances separate. We don't pay alimony or child support. We're not involuntary celibate. We're not interested in women in the first place.

by Anonymousreply 97March 15, 2023 8:31 AM

r97 I think they mean why aren't there actual gay men who are incels? Think gay men who are 2s or 3s, obese, and have bad skin and poor social skills.

I'm sure they're out there, they're just invisible.

by Anonymousreply 98March 15, 2023 8:34 AM

R35, women who think they are 10's on a GAY FORUM are delusional. We're biologically not attracted to you!

by Anonymousreply 99March 15, 2023 8:40 AM

R98 Good point. The common denominator of all incels whether they are gay, straight, asexual, whatever - none of them has or have ever had basic social skills. They have neuroses or anxiety about everything in life. You should read about what the fucking Zoomers have terrifying anxiety over. Don't call me on the phone. It gives me anxiety. Don't ring the door bell. It gives me anxiety. Don't look at me please or judge me. It gives me anxiety. There is nothing in this world that doesn't give these fuckers anxiety. Don't mind that I text you 10 000 times a day. Otherwise, it will give me anxiety.

by Anonymousreply 100March 15, 2023 8:43 AM

R100, again THIS IS A GAY FORUM. We're not "involuntary celibate". We're GAY. We have plenty of sex.

by Anonymousreply 101March 15, 2023 8:48 AM

R101 Not true at all. Old people, whether boys or girls, gay or straight - never have sex. I have known lots of single old ladies in my life and I know for a fact not one of them is having sex. Same with the sad geezers of the DL. After the age of say 45, it becomes harder and harder then impossible to have sex. You seem like a sad desperate old pervert for even suggesting having sex with anyone under 45. 45 is the cut off age, once over that hump forget about it. No one wants you. Get a cat, they will love you until you're dead. Then they will eat you.

by Anonymousreply 102March 15, 2023 8:54 AM

r101 Not gonna hold you up. This just sounds like the gay dude version of "I get hella bitches" when it's really just cap.

You one of Sneako's followers, too? Hehe.

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by Anonymousreply 103March 15, 2023 8:55 AM

More and more women are dating other women.

by Anonymousreply 104March 15, 2023 9:16 AM

R201 just exposed herself

by Anonymousreply 105March 15, 2023 9:26 AM

r105 Has dyslexia. Poor thing.

Let's get this thread to 201 posts so their reply finally makes sense.

by Anonymousreply 106March 15, 2023 9:27 AM

Their lack of self-awareness is the biggest problem. Incels complain about women being shallow and only caring about height or money. Yet ignore they are just as shallow in craving "10s" with perfect faces and big tits who look like anime girls and act submissive to their whims. They get easily radicalized especially thanks to the internet

You don't hear about gaycels because most gay men don't feel ownership of other men. Ugly gay men are fine with porn to get off or lowering their standards on apps to have sex. Incels want pure, virgin maidens who worship them. Basically an exaggeration of the feminine ideal. They are deranged.

by Anonymousreply 107March 15, 2023 10:01 AM

[quote]Ugly gay men are fine with porn to get off or lowering their standards on apps to have sex.

This is probably why gaycels are mostly invisible. No one takes them seriously because men are the easiest to get into bed. Much easier than women.

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by Anonymousreply 108March 15, 2023 10:09 AM

[Quote] Granted these woman weren’t the most attractive or popular

You answered your own question OP

Incels don't want to settle for a normal looking girl their own age. They want a 15 year old 1950s housewife who is also a porn star.

Fuck these autistic freaks.

by Anonymousreply 109March 15, 2023 10:11 AM

R104 not really, a recent survey done just last week found that just 1% of women identify as lesbian

It's much higher when you include bisexual women it comes out to something like 1 out of 8 women are gay or bisexual

By comparison, 1 out of 5 men identity as gay or bisexual

Most gay or bisexual men who are masculine STILL are not out, bisexual men are almost never out, I've dated 10 bisexual men in my life and none were out

There's still a nasty stigma against male homosexuality

by Anonymousreply 110March 15, 2023 11:12 AM

[quote]1 out of 5 men identity as gay or bisexual

This seems high

by Anonymousreply 111March 15, 2023 11:16 AM

Anecdotal but I know of at least a half dozen of thirty years old and later-in-life ladies who have become lesbians. And I mean, divorced their husbands, sold their joint homes, shacked up with other ladies who were previously out, and then outed themselves. Judging by social media only (I know, I know) they look much happier. They get out of the house more and drink less from what they post.

I have seen zero guys do this, which makes me sad because there has to be at least a couple whom I know who are "hiding" behind a hetro facade.

by Anonymousreply 112March 15, 2023 11:26 AM

I think I have been noticing more previously closeted men coming out but it does seem to be more common with women. Perhaps because men are more likely to be satisfied with casual and clandestine sex while lesbians have the U-Haul stereotype.

by Anonymousreply 113March 15, 2023 11:32 AM

R86 no, women don't want to fuck unattractive men. If you are very handsome, you will get lots of pussy even if you're homeless. Here's a video about a homeless guy who isn't even good looking really but manages to fuck women and stay at their places all the time just because he's really tall and not very inhibited.

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by Anonymousreply 114March 15, 2023 11:37 AM

Gay men can be Incels. If you can only attract people over 65 or over 300 lbs… well I guess that makes you a volcel.

by Anonymousreply 115March 15, 2023 12:07 PM

Women like beautiful men too and are aroused by the male physique. It's a myth women don't care about a man's looks. Women were just historically pressured to marry often for stability and wealth. But these women would still have affairs with younger and attractive men. Like the pool boy, male domestic servant or their daughter's boyfriend.

by Anonymousreply 116March 15, 2023 12:17 PM

Single older women are the happiest demographic in the USA.

by Anonymousreply 117March 15, 2023 12:29 PM

R102, that’s not true. Nursing homes and retirement communities, famously, have high rates of STIs. You put a bunch of old people together and stuff happens.

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by Anonymousreply 118March 15, 2023 1:02 PM

^^ewwww I have an 85-year old grandmother who looks like Nosferatu. I do not want to be thinking about that shit

by Anonymousreply 119March 15, 2023 1:05 PM

[quote] Incels complain about women being shallow and only caring about height or money. Yet ignore they are just as shallow in craving "10s" with perfect faces and big tits who look like anime girls and act submissive to their whims.

So many of these little dicked losers need a Domme to beat sense into them and pull them around on a leash until they get over themselves. I’m so serious.

by Anonymousreply 120March 15, 2023 1:06 PM

The incel to trans pipeline is real

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by Anonymousreply 121March 15, 2023 1:24 PM

It's harder for women to come or they need to really be aroused by the man they're with. I think there's more interest in female pleasure and self satisfaction now. So many women are directing and writing porn now. Women have always been writing erotica. Japan was ahead of the game with shoujo and josei manga and yaoi and yuri manga which are all female dominated genres. Straight men rarely listen to what women want and dismiss the canon of literature, philosophy and art created by women that explore that area.

by Anonymousreply 122March 15, 2023 2:26 PM

R122 indeed.

There’s I guy I know who’s probably a 4 lookswise, not rich and nothing special or interesting. But he cleans up with cute 5/6/7 women because he runs an online k!nk/erotica blog focused on edging women to orgasm and teaching them by example how to orgasm without penetration.

He films and records tutorials where he gets women off multiple times with just fingers or feathers or even his voice conmands. He spends hours and hours on every session with each woman who agrees to play and record with him, and he clearly has a repeat dozen play partners (half of them quite attractive non-fat girls). He also posts diaries about dates he goes on with different women.

He does well in spite of not being loaded or hot because he demonstres that he listens to womens’ physical and emotional needs, has developed sexual charisma and technique to answer that (and to which women respond really well), plus built up a reputation of trust (women talk to each other about conquests too) so girls feel they’re in his hands safely.

by Anonymousreply 123March 15, 2023 2:33 PM

R110 How is that not true? More and more bi women are ending up with women.

by Anonymousreply 124March 15, 2023 3:57 PM

Unattractive shut-in guys spending way too much time gaming and watching porn thinking they deserve sex.

Basic entitled bitches thinking they deserve the world and a rich guy who'll tend to their every need.

They all spend too much time online, don't know how to communicate in person, and never the twain shall meet.

Expectation minus disappointment equals anger. No wonder everyone seems to be a cunt these days.

by Anonymousreply 125March 15, 2023 4:08 PM

R 110 Yes. Most, if not all, of the "bisexual" men are NEVER out and never COME out. Especially if they're handsome and masculine. That has always been the way and it's worse now than ever. But for the cognoscenti, those gym bros, no matter how many gfs or babies they facilitate, are as gay as geese and are certainly not putting all that time and effort to attract fish. If people want to be honest (ha ha), even the pearl clutchers on this site would admit that the gay cause has been set back 60 years. That is evidenced by the many obviously gay people who don't want to identify as gay. It's like the old Army chestnut of men "helping each other out." Even peer-reviewed journals tend to favor the term MSM over gay.

Despite the so-called progress that deceives many, my observations are that gay men of all ages, especially younger guys, are having greater difficulty and reluctance in coming out. If you stop being brainwashed from media sources and open your eyes, you’d see men doing what they’ve being doing for generations: marrying, having kids, playing the game, and becoming the heterosexual community, while having ample opportunity and convenience for shadow play. In today’s climate, profit not principle, reigns supreme. The gays of the 1960s and earlier could be arrested and destroyed professionally if caught by authorities in any same gender cohabitation. Gays of the 80s and even 90s, as their friends and colleagues, died in droves, felt the need to stand for something if they were to continue standing at all. The proximity of disease and death gave them courage, a resiliency, and a valor to fight back. That’s what pride is made of.

Today things have been made too Goddamned easy. The world on a phone has created a whole new generation of duplicity and the ability to have the cake (or cock) and eat it, too. Pre-smartphone, it took a hell of a lot more courage, risk, and ingenuity to chase dick or even something as basic as renting porn. You had to put yourself out there and take risks if you were to have a male-to-male experience. True, the covert feelings haven’t changed. In fact, they’re probably more intense. Guys are as enthralled as ever at the idea of sex with men, but lack the courage and character to adopt a label of “gay” and subject themselves to the stigma and prejudices that, by and large, have NEVER DISAPPEARED. That’s why the best they can do is MSM. They can’t bring themselves to say the word.

It’s the 1950s all over again. Men workout to over-masculinize, yet internally, they’re jellyfish. Fear! Don’t dare compromise finances, social climbing, and precious Facebook/Instagram images to be a legitimate, “on the record” homosexual. Too much trouble to explain to the Ken and Karen parents who feign support of LGBT causes, except when it involves their progeny. Gender fluidity has become a terrific fall-out shelter, because it blurs the big picture, creates confusion, and doesn’t hold the scuttlebutts responsible or accountable for any of their impulses. Add to the mixture the devastating effects of drugs, pharmacologic and illicit, that young men are subject to at a younger and younger age, and the mind-numbing effects of technology, lack of common culture, quality education, and intellectual curiosity, and you’ll never again have to ask yourself why they’re less likely to come out.

The rise of Incels? You’ve been told. And you’ve been warned. Exeunt.

by Anonymousreply 126March 15, 2023 4:29 PM

R102's post is extremely similar to incel logic. He's saying 45-year-old gay men can't have sex because they cannot find anyone else to have sex with. Well, they could have sex with another 45-year-old, right? But, no.....

Incel: I'm a 3. I don't want to have sex with other 3s. I want to have sex with 10s. I never get any sex and I'm bitter towards the world.

R102: I'm 45. I don't want to have sex with other 45-year-olds. I want to have sex with 20-somethings. I never get any sex and I'm bitter towards the world.

by Anonymousreply 127March 15, 2023 5:53 PM

Reddit has banned forums with "incel" in the name. There is a "forever alone" forum made up of men (mostly straight) who are still virgins. And there's a "forever alone women group as well. If you look at both groups, you'll see the difference in perspective between women and men:

Forever-alone women: No one likes me. I don't blame them. I'm ugly, fat, stupid, and unemployed. I'm worthless. I really don't deserve to be loved.

Forever-alone men: No one likes me. They're all b----es and wh---s anyway! Feminism has destroyed this society. (Incels are usually very right-wing Republican, and they blame their problems on the 70s women's lib movement for making women financially independent.)

by Anonymousreply 128March 15, 2023 6:11 PM

This comic sums up the problem.

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by Anonymousreply 129March 15, 2023 6:23 PM

In the past women haven't been picky about looks. Hollywood definitely reinforces that trope by regularly pairing older unattractive men (sometimes even fat and/or balding) with love interests who look like models (often much younger). Then there are all the celebrity weddings: the rich old, ugly, fat, balding man who marries the decades younger pretty model. We see it again and again.

It's the result of centuries of social conditioning going back to when men sold their daughters into marriage and only the older men could afford to buy a wife. Women's lib (financial independence) and online-dating (romance based on both partners' looks instead of just the woman's looks). In the past, men just needed to be rich and women would overlook their bad looks and lack of social graces. When women have their own money, they aren't so forgiving. Just like straight men have never been forgiving about women's looks.

by Anonymousreply 130March 15, 2023 6:26 PM

Have any of you met an actual, live woman?

by Anonymousreply 131March 15, 2023 6:29 PM

It's called gay.

We've always been around.

Go back to your emotional eating.

by Anonymousreply 132March 15, 2023 6:33 PM

R131 Yes fat karen.

by Anonymousreply 133March 15, 2023 6:38 PM

I certainly have met gay men who display self-defeating incel-like behaviours. My ex-business partner was short, fat, and rapidly balding, but nonetheless made it clear he was exclusively interested in Chris Evans type Aryan gods. 'I cannot help what I like!' Needless to say, he didn't do a lot of dating.

by Anonymousreply 134March 15, 2023 6:48 PM

If you actually talk to a straight woman, you'd maybe get that they're willing to put up with a lot but a lot of straight men can't even clear a very low bar.

by Anonymousreply 135March 15, 2023 6:55 PM

Internet radicalization of discontented young men (mostly), even those who otherwise appear privileged and popular. It's no different from online Islamic radicalization or radical European racialism.

There's also the longer-term impact of globalization and media on the perceived sexual availability and activity of the most (ostensibly) attractive humans. I.e. There's an "economy" of hotness, and the application of a levelling mentality to that "economy" by discontented people who feel excluded from it.

It suffices to say, that at base everything is John Lilburne's fault. Stupid, sexy Lilburne.

by Anonymousreply 136March 15, 2023 6:56 PM

LOL, you can’t compare Monica Lewinsky’s body to Nigella Lawson’s because Nigella’s shtick was cartoon sexuality and luxuriating in comfort food.

Monica didn’t have game at all. She was pretty and had nice hair and skin but had zero chill. She was the eager beaver chubby girl next door.

Straight guys will choose skinny and self-possessed and ugly over fat and dorky and cute every time.

by Anonymousreply 137March 15, 2023 7:01 PM

Love how the faggot at R137 is telling us what straight guys like.

PS - Monica is hot now so....

by Anonymousreply 138March 15, 2023 7:04 PM

R135, I've literally known straight women who only want someone with a full-time job who doesn't live with his parents, can hold a conversation about something other than himself, and baths the majority of the time. The vast majority of straight men cannot reach that bar.

by Anonymousreply 139March 15, 2023 7:04 PM

R137 you're looking at women from the perspective of a gay man, who tend to prefer chic edgy thin or skinny women.

Most straight men like thicc. They seriously do. Not fat, but big and shapely and with a little softness or something to grab onto. Factor in also that naturally skinny girls don't normally have tits or an ass without implants, so that's another drawback. A straight dude will take a bigger girl with pillowy big naturals they can suckle on rather than a flat twiglet that feels like a hoodoo bag of bones to fuck.

by Anonymousreply 140March 15, 2023 7:06 PM

*bathes

[quote]Straight guys will choose skinny and self-possessed and ugly over fat and dorky and cute every time.

Opposite of lesbians. Really. Soft, dorky, and cute is pretty much my type.

by Anonymousreply 141March 15, 2023 7:08 PM

R140, stick with giant tits is their fantasy. Just look at almost all of their porn. Porn has shaped their ideal woman at this point. Porn and anime. Both feature sticks with huge tits.

by Anonymousreply 142March 15, 2023 7:10 PM

I don't know what these guys are complaining about. They can just marry a foreign woman. They are all dying to come to America. I know a geeky IT guy from my work who is married to a beautiful woman from Colombia. He could never get a woman of that caliber here in the states.

by Anonymousreply 143March 15, 2023 7:28 PM

The whole incel narrative about how “I only want a super-skinny 9” doesn’t make sense to me. Straight men have never had standards before; they’ve always been willing to fuck anything with a pulse. Isn’t that all but hard-wired into men? So why suddenly impose artificial mental barriers to sex, especially if you’re young? These guys, obviously, are scared and angry. But of what? They must have overwhelming fears of inadequacy.

by Anonymousreply 144March 15, 2023 7:42 PM

R144, straight men will fuck a hole in the ground. But they're much more picky about who they'll actually have a relationship with. They want a trophy (even when they're no prize themselves).

by Anonymousreply 145March 15, 2023 7:50 PM

Commenters keep focusing on women, but it really has little to do with them, IMO. The world is just more complicated now than ever before. Social media shows us all of our fantasies and nightmares right before our eyes. Plus it’s streamed to our brains 24/7 and everyone wants us to care about EVERY SINGLE PROBLEM in the world. It’s exhausting, it’s hard to have hope for anything, so it’s hard to have patience and understanding.

Life shouldn’t be this complicated for most people. I feel like we need farm work or a major war to re-baseline.

by Anonymousreply 146March 15, 2023 7:54 PM

Looks like we've got an incel in here at R138.

They all sound like that.

Evil.

by Anonymousreply 147March 15, 2023 9:12 PM

R145 Unlike gay men, right?

by Anonymousreply 148March 15, 2023 10:06 PM

>>>I think less women are settling for loser guys. At this point women can make their own money and have children with sperm donors. Why would they be with an ugly guy with a small dick who doesn’t make money?

^^^^^

by Anonymousreply 149March 15, 2023 10:06 PM

[quote] Stick with giant tits is their fantasy. Just look at almost all of their porn. Porn has shaped their ideal woman at this point. Porn and anime. Both feature sticks with huge tits.

R142 futa hentai is also a hugely popular category, but most of the straight men watching it still wouldn't allow a cock near their ass irl even if were attached to something that looked like a woman or an anime girl.

What these men watch onscreen and what they'll pursue or tolerate in reality are two different things, though sadly the line is becoming more nebulous (e.g. the alarming rise in choking and slapping in straight sex, men demanding anal from their gfs).

by Anonymousreply 150March 15, 2023 10:09 PM

Why isn’t every woman lesbian? Straight men are not worth the effort.

by Anonymousreply 151March 16, 2023 12:50 AM

[quote]Here's a video about a homeless guy who isn't even good looking really but manages to fuck women and stay at their places all the time just because he's really tall and not very inhibited.

r114 Ninja looks like a White version of Beetlejuice from Howard Stern's Wack Pack. How tf is he getting bitches? Do their eyes not work?

I may be a lesbian, but I'm not blind. Goddamn.

by Anonymousreply 152March 16, 2023 4:02 AM

Brendan Fraser in The Whale is a gay incel. I’m kinda volcel, solosexual, but I hope it’s just a phase.

by Anonymousreply 153March 16, 2023 4:36 AM

Incel seems to have taken on the meaning of a toxic philosophy though which The Whale's character doesn't have at least - the character has humility and doesn't espouse negative views about gay culture/not being able to hook up. There's a post up at foreveralone at the moment where someone is complaining that he was called an incel when he told a friend about his struggles with women.

by Anonymousreply 154March 16, 2023 10:24 AM

They watch so much Porn they can only interact with women as if they are Porn beings.s.o when they online date they ask stupid questions..and the expect the women to be porn looks standard..because they watch Incel types getting the women...and yes sex is far more a thing now..but getting to know someone beyond asking how they like to fuck or be fucked... is becoming impossible.

by Anonymousreply 155March 16, 2023 10:38 AM

There..is....zero.....rea......son....to add....these fucking.........things......you.....illiterate.......fucking..moron.

by Anonymousreply 156March 16, 2023 11:32 AM

R47 I don't believe that any of the incels looks like this actor. Though it has been said that their worst trait is not just their look, but their weirdness, awkwardness and lack of social skills even when they have average looks, I don't think a guy with such a cute face would become an incel.

by Anonymousreply 157March 16, 2023 11:32 AM

Japan has a culture of losers, similar to incels, called hikikomori. They are anywhere from 1 to 10 million of that country's young men.

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by Anonymousreply 158March 16, 2023 11:42 AM

This says the hikikomori could number 10 million. Must be scary for these losers to think of their benefactors dying on them. Yikes.

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by Anonymousreply 159March 16, 2023 12:02 PM

A bunch of old Eldergays thinking they cracked the code about incels because they don’t understand new technology or culture. Yes gramps back in your day there were 0 incels. They were there, they just didn’t have a voice like today.

by Anonymousreply 160March 16, 2023 12:30 PM

Agreed. There have always been men who hated girls. Men who could never get a date or sex from girls. Rapist men like Bill Cosby who drug white girls to have sex with them. Men like Weinstein who use their position to manipulate girls into having sex with them. Nasty men have always been around.

by Anonymousreply 161March 16, 2023 12:44 PM

I smell incel at r160

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by Anonymousreply 162March 16, 2023 12:44 PM

I am a gay volcel. Not an incel as I can attract men over 55 or over 350lbs. I choose not to have sex with those men. Volcel.

by Anonymousreply 163March 16, 2023 12:45 PM

Those men aren't incels - hell even odious Weinstein managed to have an attractive wife. They are rapists which is not the same thing imo.

by Anonymousreply 164March 16, 2023 12:46 PM

No one said they were. Turd at 164. I said they were nasty men. Learn to fucking read.

by Anonymousreply 165March 16, 2023 12:52 PM

R162 You just had to add WHITE women

by Anonymousreply 166March 16, 2023 7:11 PM

Good an Incel run world will be a lot better than it has been recently.

by Anonymousreply 167March 17, 2023 12:25 PM

We already have an Afghanistan, R167. Thanks, we have sufficient.

by Anonymousreply 168March 17, 2023 12:39 PM

R167 should be in war. He’s the right age. It would be good for him.

by Anonymousreply 169March 17, 2023 12:42 PM

Incels are the unsung heroes of the modern era.

by Anonymousreply 170May 21, 2023 4:25 PM

Was this going on before the internet? I grew up in the seventies, and don't remember what we called this, but I'm almost sixty and demented, I can't remember.

by Anonymousreply 171May 21, 2023 4:58 PM

It’s social media that is intensifying this (and everything else), increasing the overall levels of anger and anxiety in people.

by Anonymousreply 172May 21, 2023 5:09 PM

Oh R171 there have always been people who were unfuckable . Now they just have a forum.

by Anonymousreply 173May 21, 2023 5:26 PM

We called them NERDS, r171.

This is their REVENGE

by Anonymousreply 174May 21, 2023 7:32 PM

Incels think they should HAVE a woman, no matter what the woman thinks. Especially after sitting on their phone for hours on porn sites till their brain turns to mush from the overstimulation. Their unchecked hormones turn them into monsters.

Every day there is a new story about some loser harassing a woman or stalking a woman or kidnapping a girl off the street to keep in his sex dungeon. His selfishness is off the charts and his hormones get the better of him, then there is a victim. Then there is the extreme incel who go on shooting rampages. At least women incels never to get to the point of abducting a child to fulfill their sick desires.

by Anonymousreply 175May 21, 2023 7:58 PM

A vast majority of incels are autistic and/or low IQ who are slow or limited capacity but they still have raging testosterone. Many of them live out in the sticks with limited access to females.

Those guys get a little pity only because of their isolation, but when they get aggressive or kidnappy, let them burn.

by Anonymousreply 176May 21, 2023 8:13 PM

"...there have always beem people who were unfuckable. Now they just have a forum."

That forum is called Twitter and I now own it, bitches.

by Anonymousreply 177May 21, 2023 8:22 PM

If it is really autism, I don't know why the government isn't going crazy, everybody has autistic or ADHD people their families, but no one seems to worried at all, opioids yes ,but I hear much more about ADHD, it is everywhere.

by Anonymousreply 178May 21, 2023 10:50 PM

Young people are growing up slower than earlier generations. They live at home longer and are more attached to their parents. The parents need to give them a kick in the ass and tell them to get out there and find a job and some friends.

by Anonymousreply 179May 21, 2023 11:03 PM

R178, the government can't stop autism. You can't stop older people from having kids, or people with slight autism from having kids. Yes, autism eats up money like crazy (you need all those special ed teachers and caretakers, and I believe autistic people collect almost a thousand dollars a month from the government), but how would you stop it?

by Anonymousreply 180May 22, 2023 11:16 PM

the powers that be want to destroy western civilization as we know it and they are almost done.

by Anonymousreply 181May 23, 2023 12:37 AM

[quote]I’m taken a little aback

Now, you may have taken something somewhere but if it was yours it hardly was either a little a-front or little aback.

by Anonymousreply 182May 23, 2023 12:44 AM

I dunno, r180.

My mom wouldn’t allow me & my sister to watch too much TV. We also weren’t allowed to eat junk food.

Babies now are handed devices to keep them quiet. Kids drink soda from their sippy cups.

I think mass media, junk food, & pollution contribute to rewiring the malleable brains of children. I don’t think they are the source, per se.

But kids need to learn how to entertain themselves…to use their imaginations without outside stimulus. They need to develop brain muscles.

by Anonymousreply 183May 23, 2023 1:07 PM
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