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Gallup: 7.2% of Americans identify as LGBT; Bi identity thrice as prevalent as gay identity.

The data are based on aggregated polling data from 2022 Gallup telephone surveys, encompassing interviews with over 10,000 U.S. adults. In each survey, Gallup asks respondents if they identify as lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender or something else, allowing them to choose multiple identities.

In addition to the 7% identifying as LGBT, 86% of U.S. adults say they are straight or heterosexual, while 7% chose not to answer the question.

As is typically the case, the greatest share of LBGT adults -- more than half, or 4.2% of all U.S. adults -- identify as bisexual. About one in five LGBT adults identify as gay, about one in seven say they are lesbian, and slightly fewer than one in 10 identify as transgender.

Five percent of LGBT adults identify as something other than lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender. In 2022, Gallup for the first time recorded the preferred identity of those who indicated they were something other than heterosexual besides the traditional lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender identities. Most of these individuals said they were queer, pansexual or asexual. Roughly 1%-2% of LGBT adults -- equivalent to 0.1% of all U.S. adults -- prefer each of those identities. Adult members of Generation Z, those born between 1997 and 2004 who were aged 18 to 25 in 2022, are the most likely subgroup to identify as LGBT, with 19.7% doing so. The rate is 11.2% among millennials and 3.3% or less among older generations.

In Generation Z, 13.1% say they are bisexual, 3.4% are gay, 2.2% are lesbian, and 1.9% are transgender. Each of those percentages is higher than it is for all other generations.

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by Anonymousreply 199April 3, 2023 11:16 AM


by Anonymousreply 1February 23, 2023 12:06 PM

A lot of younger bisexuals? Are these the outrageously liberal rich white girls that kiss other girls to impress jocks? Ten years from now they’ll all be married to a conservative.

by Anonymousreply 2February 23, 2023 12:10 PM

For Gen Z, identity is all performative. The majority claiming to be bi will end up in straight relationships.

by Anonymousreply 3February 23, 2023 12:11 PM

I reckon that in reality it's about 3.5% gay and lesbian. And 3.7% others of the spectrum.

by Anonymousreply 4February 23, 2023 12:11 PM

r3 identity, the sense of self (including the historical development of the sense of self -- eg, did the early moderns have a sense of unified self? Where did the idea come from? How did it evolve?), and the relationship between the self and consciousness, are all questions that fascinate me.

The current preoccupation with identity and labels, however, seems rather facile to me, and ignores the more interesting metaphorical and historical dimensions of the issue.

by Anonymousreply 5February 23, 2023 12:17 PM

r5 metaphorical should be metaphysical

by Anonymousreply 6February 23, 2023 12:18 PM

R3, so? Throughout human history, the vast majority of bisexuals ending up in heterosexual marriages. So? What’s the big deal about this? Being LGB doesn’t mean you end up marrying the same sex, or not marrying the opposite sex. Stop being butthurt over whom people marry.

by Anonymousreply 7February 23, 2023 12:24 PM

[quote]7% chose not to answer the question

= closeted

by Anonymousreply 8February 23, 2023 12:30 PM

R2 is correct. Those are primarily girls saying they are "bi", skewing the results.

by Anonymousreply 9February 23, 2023 12:31 PM

It is fashionable today to be "bisexual" or claim to be.

Just claiming something doesn't make it true.

I'm simply over it.

by Anonymousreply 10February 23, 2023 1:04 PM

R7, you miss the point. They're not really bisexual. They claim to be because it's fashionable to say one is bisexual/pansexual/demisexual, etc. and/or non-binary.

It is particularly trendy among girls.

by Anonymousreply 11February 23, 2023 1:05 PM

Thanks Obama!

by Anonymousreply 12February 23, 2023 1:06 PM

Bisexual doesn’t mean you want to have a relationship with or marry the same sex. It only means attraction to both sex. The definition of bisexual doesn’t even demand having sex with both sex. The overwhelming majority of bisexual people marry people of the opposite sex. That’s okay.

by Anonymousreply 13February 23, 2023 3:09 PM

People may ACT bisexually, I do not believe they are actually bisexual.

by Anonymousreply 14February 23, 2023 4:16 PM

That’s bizarre

by Anonymousreply 15February 23, 2023 4:50 PM

All I get from this is Gen Z thinks it’s special. It’s not.

by Anonymousreply 16February 23, 2023 5:08 PM

R16, Gen Z is also highly susceptible to social contagion ("I'm non-binary; call me they/them) due to Tiktok, Instagram, etc.

by Anonymousreply 17February 23, 2023 6:03 PM

Well, I’m glad hot gym bros are more available to make out and cuddle with dudes today than ever. Great times we are in!

by Anonymousreply 18February 23, 2023 8:00 PM


by Anonymousreply 19February 24, 2023 11:42 AM

Who says “thrice?!

by Anonymousreply 20February 24, 2023 12:15 PM

I do

by Anonymousreply 21February 24, 2023 2:08 PM

Miami is nice, Miami is nice, now I’ll say it thrice. Miami is nice.

by Anonymousreply 22February 24, 2023 2:08 PM

And 99% of those who identified as bi are actually 100% homo.

by Anonymousreply 23February 24, 2023 2:28 PM

So can we stop using fucking 'queer' as a blanket terms to describe gay people?

by Anonymousreply 24February 24, 2023 2:40 PM

“Am I still bisexual if I can take a cock right to the hilt?”

by Anonymousreply 25February 24, 2023 4:18 PM

Of course bisexuality is the leading identity, yet they claim the "community" is so against them and biphobic.

by Anonymousreply 26February 24, 2023 4:40 PM

Gays are being erased

by Anonymousreply 27February 24, 2023 5:02 PM

I think it’s probably true that at least 20% of the population is mildly bisexual - ie. capable of enjoying some sexual activity with people of the gender they aren’t primarily attracted to at certain points in their life - but if you are a woman who has had a couple of threesomes with her boyfriend in her twenties, or a guy who used to do mutual jerk offs with his best friend in high school you should probably just round up and conceive of yourself as a basically straight person and you certainly shouldn’t stomp your feet about how gay stuff doesn’t “centre your experience” or “amplify your voice”.

by Anonymousreply 28February 24, 2023 5:33 PM

So whatever way you cut it, everyone is still bending over backwards to accommodate that TINY number of delusional cunts who think that they can dictate everyone else's language usage and thoughts.

by Anonymousreply 29February 24, 2023 5:49 PM

R29, it's more than just language. They want us to be participant in their delusions, e.g., a man is a woman.

by Anonymousreply 30February 24, 2023 5:51 PM

R30 I was being nice!

by Anonymousreply 31February 24, 2023 5:52 PM

This is about what I expected. A very, very small number of people in real life identify as trans or vaguely "queer." The loudness of those that make it their whole identity, and make the internet their platform, skews perceptions.

by Anonymousreply 32February 24, 2023 6:06 PM

R10, it's not fashionable for men. Just females

And this kind of disproves the DL lie that trans people are "erasing" gays

by Anonymousreply 33February 24, 2023 6:10 PM

R29, this proves the hypocrisy of anti-trans trolls like you. You act like they're "taking over" when you know damn well that they make up a small percentage of the population. You and your red state pals pretend they're taking over women's sports when hardly any athletes are trans

by Anonymousreply 34February 24, 2023 6:12 PM

Here is transwoman Blaire White explaining how social media influences kids to believe their trans and/or mentally ill.

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by Anonymousreply 35February 24, 2023 6:49 PM


by Anonymousreply 36February 27, 2023 12:05 PM

There is no such thing as “transwomen” or “transmen”. They are ex-gays, or simply “transgender”.

by Anonymousreply 37February 27, 2023 12:08 PM

R23 So according to you, there pretty much no bi people? Brilliant.

by Anonymousreply 38February 27, 2023 12:13 PM

R37 Ex gays? So you think all if them are gay?

by Anonymousreply 39February 27, 2023 12:14 PM

Most of them, yes. Then straight guys like Bruce Jenner.

by Anonymousreply 40February 27, 2023 12:17 PM

This “Blair” gentleman is an ex-gay, and his himself done up like a stripper or porn star to attract “straight” males.

by Anonymousreply 41February 27, 2023 12:18 PM

*has had himself

by Anonymousreply 42February 27, 2023 12:19 PM

Of course the data are skewed and wrong.

There was no category for "Self-Loathing Closet Case Republican."

Personally, I know thousands and thousands of them. Millions!

by Anonymousreply 43February 27, 2023 12:20 PM

[quote]So can we stop using fucking 'queer' as a blanket terms to describe gay people?

YES~ This this label needs to be revisited. My partners niece identifies as "queer" but she has been married to 3 different men. She only has sex with woman when she thinks it's going to turn on her husband. But she will not claim she is bisexual. She makes the husband of the moment refer to her in public as his queer wife.

by Anonymousreply 44February 27, 2023 12:28 PM

Oh and forgot to mention, she's busy having babies so the pics look like the perfect 1950's hetero family.

by Anonymousreply 45February 27, 2023 12:29 PM

R44 How would he refer to her in public as his queer wife?

by Anonymousreply 46February 27, 2023 12:49 PM

That's how he introduces her. Even in a fancy restaurant. He's trying to point out he's totally cool with her sexuality but it comes off as over trying.

by Anonymousreply 47February 27, 2023 12:53 PM

R41 The important detail is that Blair knows the difference between a biological woman and a transgender woman and doesn’t try to say they are the same thing.

by Anonymousreply 48February 27, 2023 3:15 PM

most guys I know identify as bi

by Anonymousreply 49February 27, 2023 3:21 PM

R49 On what planet do you live?

by Anonymousreply 50February 27, 2023 6:10 PM

You live in a cloistered world R49.

I rarely meet men in general that identify as bi.

by Anonymousreply 51March 1, 2023 10:54 AM

If every same sex attracted person admitted to it, the stats would be much higher. Bisexuals are always conflicted people, never satisfied and they almost always end up in hetero relationships because it is socially acceptable.

by Anonymousreply 52March 1, 2023 11:12 AM

Duh why wouldn’t people go with that which is socially acceptable? Wouldn’t you if you could?

by Anonymousreply 53March 1, 2023 11:22 AM

Actually r53, NO. We are not all self hating gay men. I love being gay, I accepted it long ago and I don't care if it's less socially acceptable, it's made me who I am.

With Bi guys, it's more of a dirty secret or fetish. So of course they see nothing wrong with ending up in a straight relationship with then want to "settle down". It's something they can slip in and out of like a costume.

by Anonymousreply 54March 2, 2023 9:16 AM

[quote] [R7], you miss the point. They're not really bisexual. They claim to be because it's fashionable to say one is bisexual/pansexual/demisexual, - etc. and/or non-binary.

Which is very different from decades ago where the reaction to gay was "eeeew!" and even the ones who were indeed gay or bi defined themselves as straight and remained in the closet. Nowadays people, "fake" or real, are more comfortable to embrace same sex attraction. Trend or no trend, same sex attraction is seen more as a positive thing than in the past.

by Anonymousreply 55March 2, 2023 9:31 AM


by Anonymousreply 56March 2, 2023 10:25 AM

R54 What the fuck are you talking about? Bi men aren't self hating gay men. They are bi men!

And your post has nothing to do with the post you are replying to. That poster said that most bi people end up in opposite sex relationships because that's more socially acceptable. And it's completely logical that most would end up in straight relationship.

by Anonymousreply 57March 2, 2023 12:31 PM

[quote]And it's completely logical that most would end up in straight relationship.

When this happens, the cruising for gay sex intensifies, and the wife rarely, if ever knows. I’ve seen it every time.

by Anonymousreply 58March 2, 2023 12:35 PM

...which is why straight women should avoid bi men.

by Anonymousreply 59March 2, 2023 12:44 PM

I prefer bi and mostly straight dudes. Hit me up

by Anonymousreply 60March 2, 2023 1:07 PM

R58 Yes, all bi men cheat on their wives with men. Brilliant

by Anonymousreply 61March 2, 2023 3:27 PM

They pretty much do. The cruising out of control.

by Anonymousreply 62March 2, 2023 3:36 PM


by Anonymousreply 63March 2, 2023 3:36 PM

R62 Yes. All the men that cruise are married to women. And all bi men just can't live without cocks

by Anonymousreply 64March 2, 2023 3:52 PM

You’re so manipulative.

by Anonymousreply 65March 2, 2023 3:55 PM


by Anonymousreply 66March 3, 2023 10:01 AM

R49 only hangs with Fine Arts and Comparative Literature majors at Hamilton College, Clinton NY.

by Anonymousreply 67March 3, 2023 11:21 AM

Ha ha, so right, R67. Nearly all the men at my work (55 men) are straight.

by Anonymousreply 68March 3, 2023 1:42 PM

Those figures look about right to me. The group that identifies as LGBTQ plus the group that didn't answer almost adds up to the 15% I've seen admit to having at least one same-sex experience in other studies.

The remaining question is if the number of people claiming to be heterosexual despite having repeated same-sex experiences equals the number of blue-haired unattractive college girls who claim to be bisexual, pansexual, nonbinary, or vaguely "queer" without further explanation for attention without actually living any of those experiences.

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by Anonymousreply 69March 3, 2023 2:24 PM

I identify as:

It / That

by Anonymousreply 70March 4, 2023 6:33 AM

Male "bisexuals" are usually gay.

by Anonymousreply 71March 4, 2023 7:03 AM

In 10 years most of these kids will be married with children. This is the latest "fad".

by Anonymousreply 72March 4, 2023 7:06 AM

And Republican^.

by Anonymousreply 73March 4, 2023 12:41 PM

R54: there's a lot of bi-phobia among gay men, which may explain why few of them are in same sex relationships.

by Anonymousreply 74March 4, 2023 12:46 PM

R74 Yes, EVERYTHING is gay mens’ fault! /s

by Anonymousreply 75March 4, 2023 1:29 PM

There is a lot of gay phobia among a type of gay men. Bi men are beloved and exalted among other gay men.

by Anonymousreply 76March 4, 2023 1:55 PM

Bring back the original flag, it included everyone.

by Anonymousreply 77March 4, 2023 2:12 PM

I meant: There is a lot of biphobia among a certain type of gay men. Bi men are beloved and exalted among other gay men.

by Anonymousreply 78March 4, 2023 2:28 PM

It's hilarious to think that some troll is trying the argument that Gays, mostly known for their promiscuity and casual relationships, see bisexuals as villains cheating on them and leaving them for women. Actual Gays are like, "Dude, we fucked a few times. It's time to fuck other people, male or female or whatever." There's no real drama here, but the Divide & Conquer troll is still trying.

by Anonymousreply 79March 4, 2023 2:45 PM

I only see antibisexual stuff among a subset of gay men who are professional gays who are Team Gay Gay Gay, or are bitter over a bi guy who left them. And also women afraid of having their man stolen by a man.

by Anonymousreply 80March 4, 2023 3:02 PM

What percentage of Americans identify as gay? This article is headache inducing.

by Anonymousreply 81March 4, 2023 3:08 PM

Less than 1% identify as gay?!

by Anonymousreply 82March 4, 2023 3:10 PM

Percentage of men who identify as lesbians.

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by Anonymousreply 83March 4, 2023 3:15 PM

How do we know they're actually biological men? Gender could mean anything these days. That's what makes these surveys confusing. The times they are a changin'

by Anonymousreply 84March 4, 2023 4:21 PM

R71 No. Most bisexual men are bisexual.

by Anonymousreply 85March 4, 2023 6:29 PM

Bisexuality is still burdened by bias and confusion, because in some cases it's being used to ease others into one's coming out as gay.

by Anonymousreply 86March 4, 2023 11:05 PM

Yes, majority of "bi" guys are closeted homos.

by Anonymousreply 87March 4, 2023 11:13 PM

That Shaun T fellow certainly doesn’t help the bisexual’s case.

by Anonymousreply 88March 4, 2023 11:15 PM

R88 He comes out again as bisexual?

by Anonymousreply 89March 5, 2023 3:08 AM

R88 Can you explain? He’s married to man isn’t he? I wasn’t aware he was ever bisexual.

by Anonymousreply 90March 5, 2023 8:26 AM

Riddle me this:

If a straight woman sleeps with another woman just to try it out, does that automatically make her a lesbian or bi? Nope, most people would give that woman the right to still identify as straight. But if a man did that with another he's considered closeted or at least bi.

Remember this: One swallow does not a cock sucker make.

by Anonymousreply 91March 5, 2023 9:51 AM

R91 If you're swallowing you've gone beyond cock sucking.

by Anonymousreply 92March 5, 2023 11:14 AM

Only 86% are hetero, that means ALL the rest are gay gay gay. Title is misleading

by Anonymousreply 93March 5, 2023 1:03 PM

Eyeroll ⬆️

by Anonymousreply 94March 5, 2023 1:07 PM

Why are there more gays and lesbians among baby boomers than among gen x?

by Anonymousreply 95March 5, 2023 1:42 PM

0.7% among baby boomers vs 0.5% among gen x for lesbians, and 1.0% among baby boomers vs 0.8 among gen x for gay men

by Anonymousreply 96March 5, 2023 1:44 PM

I think bi awareness and identity has boomed in the last decade. A lot of mostly straight young people now identify as bi

by Anonymousreply 97March 5, 2023 2:16 PM

There's a theatricality to some of queer/LGBT+/gay/bi, and increasingly, non-binary/trans/etc presentation, but we should understand that this largely ends by the end of certain high school experiences, almost totally ends by the end of college, and is vanishingly absent by the end of one's twenties. Yes, we have LibsOfTiktok type conservative turfing that makes some select social media posts like some sort of lunatic wave of the most extreme individuals, but otherwise people are just doing normal people things, including about their sexuality and gender identity.

This includes bisexuals. There's bis that totally prefer (you can prefer, or not prefer; there's an individualistic quality to attraction) one sex, that's the other sex, and the market for these dates and partnerships is obviously super easy compared to finding a love of the same sex. They may want children badly, and that's much harder with the same sex. They likely live in a much more heteronormative environment compared to where homosexuals at least tend to try to end up in (safer urban gay communities). So all that's changing here, is more public acknowledgement of who they more FULLY are, and a desire to be understood for even what they're currently not actively pursuing. A bi woman could 'experiment' in college, yet legitimately enjoy those 'experiments', but find a man that they marry and have children with, but they still want others to know, with socially progressive intent, that this relationship is not all she is as a person. She may very well divorce him and end in a relationship with a woman. She may be in some level of openness with experiences with the cooperation of her husband. She may have a more businesslike dealing with her husband but have passions for a woman. She may not do anything at all with women but just want to be more properly understood and not invisible on this matter (especially as female sexuality is historically ignored). So there's more comfort and being open, at least on a damn survey. I've had multiple women in marriages to men come out to me as bi, and I absolutely believe them. There's other bi women who go with whoever, and that still statistically points them towards men, because there's so many straight men. There's other bi women who prefer women, and many of those will actively look for women as a committed partner and try the best they can with that, sometimes succeeding but occasionally being assumed to be a lesbian when they aren't really.

What hasn't changed so much is public awareness of bi men, even if its improving. This is from the more intense homophobia towards men. Gays have pushed through and are trying to continue that, but the journey of bi men feels like its only starting. I don't see this improving a lot for Millennials, but I do see a path for Z and 'Alphas' (bad gen name) in the future.

Through all of this, MOST bisexuals WILL end up in one or more long term relationships with the OTHER sex. Trans/other bis/gays are all too small in number and too publicly localized into specific geographic areas for it to be otherwise. But homophobia and biphobia towards and within bisexuals has to decrease, and along with that, we'll have a lot more honestly out and open bis that won't let anything get in their way to express that with the same sex. Sure this can mean just a rare hookup, but it can also mean their own long term relationships that they may have otherwise allowed/made themselves deny in the past.

Sure, some put on a show. I particularly cannot trust many college-aged women kissing another woman at a party and suddenly she's soooo bi. But we all put on shows. The longer term stats, cultural trends, and human rights fights will indicate a lot more, and so far, I'm rooting for bisexuals - even if sure, I'm not so kind to self-haters, same like with any minority.

by Anonymousreply 98March 5, 2023 8:47 PM

R98, FYI…

I read 2-3 words in your reply then immediately stopped.

You’re insufferable.

by Anonymousreply 99March 5, 2023 8:51 PM

R95 I'm not sure the difference is statistically very significant, but a casual idea I have is that Boomers have more that fought to come out of the closet, but Gen X lived and was more grown up in and immersed in the anti-gay backlash and AIDS panic. This particularly affected perceptions of gay men, into the turn of the century (this also affecting open lesbianism). Millennials however, came up with a pride (deserved or not; I say as one) of social progression and post-AIDS sentiments.

Its all rough anyway. You can basically understand that before gay rights was a thing, under 1 or even 0.5% of the population would be 'out' as 'gay'/homosexual/loving other men, but the initial gay rights right brought it up to or over 1%, societal evolution on the issue encouraged it further, and potential future progression could settle an understanding of up to ~5% of the population being gay men, even if we're not there with that much 'outness' yet.

What seems pretty clear though, is that the idea of '1/10 being gay' I would often hear, is at least half right. ~5% gay, >5% bi, = over 1/10 people (or 1/10 of your same sex) being at least potentially willing to be sexual partner, in a properly enough socially progressive environment and culture (but still depending on intentions, personal attractions, etc, of course).

We're everywhere and no where, and it will take continued conscious effort and normalization to keep things more the former.

by Anonymousreply 100March 5, 2023 8:58 PM

R99 Thanks.

by Anonymousreply 101March 5, 2023 8:59 PM

R91 A woman's going to do it and not as much hide about it. Most will move on from it as f/f experimentation, but some will not (especially as they had enough interest to experiment in the first place). A man's going to do it and be completely secretive about it, maybe even viciously denied anything every happened. But if they had enough interest to do it in the first place, even in the face of internal and external male homophobia, there's a better chance he's just gay or homo-leaning bi.

What we should be aiming towards is a world where anyone can and may try to discover their best selves, whatever their sex or gender, and not be as inclined to hide it (like more men) or diminish the experience (like more women).

by Anonymousreply 102March 5, 2023 9:03 PM

R100 Where did you get ~5% gay from?

by Anonymousreply 103March 5, 2023 9:14 PM

Of course, DL would fixate and quibble over minor aspects of this survey like this when most people would focus on the fact 1/5 of GenZ identifies as LGBT, which is earth shattering in light of the tiny numbers in previous generations. This is monumental in not only cultural impact, but future political impact. It’s a voting bloc even larger than Latinos or Blacks.

by Anonymousreply 104March 5, 2023 9:39 PM

Republicans are citing surveys like this as justification for don’t say gay and other anti-gay measures right now. There is a feeling on the right that the LGBT community is becoming too attractive and seductive to young people.

by Anonymousreply 105March 5, 2023 9:41 PM

R103 If we include Gay and Lesbian together as 'Gay' (in the conversational sense aka homosexual) for the whole population (all genders), and look towards trends for Gen Z and notch it up a bit higher for what may come the next generation (so an inclined prediction), in presumption or hope that we have a more broadly welcoming society instead of one that conservatives successfully clamp down on, we come at an at least easy enough understanding that the percent of the population that exclusively or nearly exclusively has sexual attractions towards the same sex, is at least around 5%.

Even if we take a pessimistic reading of what may be imperfect survey results, its not hard for me to consider the number to be *close up to* ~5%.

~1% (or less) for a closed society, ~2.5% for a tolerant society, but more and more apparently, 5% for an accepting society. This *not* including bisexuality (at least much). If we take indicators seriously enough, bisexuality would take people with same sex attractions to over 10% or maybe (we'll need more info) over 15%. That's less visual and overt for people, considering how many bis do live in an at least largely heteronormative fashion (at least publicly), but its enough that if we keep getting more years, and decades of these surveys, states, and trending lines, there's really not much that opponents can stand on. A big weapon used by homophobes was even the very suggestion that the gays are REALLY under 1% (or 2), and they're just indoctrinating everyone with homo mind rays or even more dire, sexual abuse. Its dumb and bullshit but they really relied on those supposed stats. If we're at least approaching around 5%, which Millennials onward seem to increasingly indicate, there's not much they can do besides allusions and dog whistles to gay hate, not so much the previous viciousness (unless they want to threaten their own political/cultural/economic positions).

by Anonymousreply 106March 5, 2023 9:42 PM

Too low, one in ten was during illegal times, now meagre % is disappointing

by Anonymousreply 107March 5, 2023 9:49 PM

R104 Its also reflective of increased LGBT+ tolerance and acceptance within various minority groups and communities. There's a lot more positive or neutral media exposure in not so mainstream or exclusively queer/gay/LGBT media, and a lot more general decency attempted or embraced by more than middle-class white liberals. It is awesome? Still, definitely not. But there's a broader changed attitude that's more distinct in the Millennial-to-GenZ transition that really was more of a shock of acceptance between the GenX-to-Millennial.

Like its not perfect at all, but I'd finally say (maybe wrongly, I don't know) that the 2020s is a not so bad time to come out, as a young black man, in many of the previously more difficult areas of USA. It can't be guaranteed as GOOD for you, but its not so definitely BAD. This helps a lot for stats IMO. And will help a lot in the intersection of various voting blocs as you were getting at. A lot of the LGBT are really gonna be more sexually open or fluid bisexuals that are going to be more vocal and comfortable with themselves, but that itself can and DOES have impact and influence. Whenever they try, at least.

R105 That's what we can easily call a 'panic'. There was a very strong attempt to gen Gen Z very conservative, since Millennials were increasingly seen as a lost cause, but its only half worked. Yes, its riled up many of those who are white and/or straight and/or male and/or middle-class and/or traditionalistic, but it also hasn't worked a lot on many, and USA is more multicultural with every year. And increasingly, its getting more widely tolerant of sexual diversity. The anti-gay AND (screw it DL) anti-trans measure are a freakout to try to push back.

by Anonymousreply 108March 5, 2023 9:51 PM

R107 Heh. Maybe 1/10 in an urban gay-cruising environment where you're getting anecdotal, but that's a far cry from increasingly solid (as methods get more precise and honestly-responded) survey data.

Yes its always been a general understanding that approx up to 1/10 of the same sex may very well be interested in you if you're interested in them, for those who are homo themselves or are very positively attuned to our issues, because we can read a room/town/city and we're not idiots and we want to know how many we can get cock from or whatever, but that's not the same as a more granular and official-leaning understanding.

by Anonymousreply 109March 5, 2023 9:54 PM

1 in 10 was a bullshit number that Kinsey came up with. And he did his research in prisons and in the gay underground circles. And that 10% kinda stuck and people were repeating it like parrots for decades.

by Anonymousreply 110March 5, 2023 10:25 PM

R106 "If we include Gay and Lesbian together as 'Gay'" That makes no sense. Lumping lesbians and gay together won't make the number any higher, since then you have to look at the whole population. If anything, it will make the number lower, since the percentage of lesbians is smaller. Again, that 5% is something you came up with.

by Anonymousreply 111March 5, 2023 10:28 PM

10 percent almost solely comes to Kinsey, whose research has been discredited and tossed aside in modern times as flawed and biased

by Anonymousreply 112March 6, 2023 1:12 AM

R111 I'm talking about total homosexuals in the total populace, and I'm using Gen Z as the leading indicator. In that, we have ~5% disclosing their homosexuality (specifically 5.6%). Its not so relevant to discuss how the Silent Generation is out, over how Gen Z is out. The older are dying and more closeted. The younger have longer relevance and are less closeted. The younger matter, barring a whiplash cultural change that makes most younger gay/lesbian people intensely pushed back in the closet.

And don't be obtuse - gay means homosexual male, but its also often and casually used for homosexual male OR female. Lesbian identity is more particular than gay, and I've met women that go with gay for casual usage over lesbian, just because they feel like it. So I just bundled it all as homosexual identities. Because that's how people actually communicate. I'm talking about the people of the general population the give themselves a homosexual label. I'll move on from being Mr. Obvious and hope you get it by now.

by Anonymousreply 113March 6, 2023 1:17 AM

R110 While that is the case, 1/10 does potentially illustrate the (until recently at least) furthest known extent of sexual experimentation, fluidity, or at least tolerance (even if of 'a mouth is a mouth' variety). Taking it as '1/10 is gay' is beyond pseudoscience, because the methodology was so shit, but it was interesting to have early research illustrate that at least in particular environments, homosexuality was definitely not some <1% aberration (and thus perhaps worthy of snuffing out).

by Anonymousreply 114March 6, 2023 1:20 AM

Vast majority of “bi” guys are gays who don’t want to be saddled with the expectations of gayness.

by Anonymousreply 115March 6, 2023 1:38 AM

R115 Some of them are gay, but not 'vast majority'.

Also there are bisexuals calling themselves gay as well, it's trending.

by Anonymousreply 116March 6, 2023 1:47 AM

r115 Bisexual men tend to be all over the place and are hard to measure. There are some gay men calling themselves gay but engaging in "occasional" trysts with what is technically the opposite sex and some straight men calling themselves straight but engaging in secret trysts with the same sex.

It's no telling how many bisexual men there actually are because depending on who you talk to, you will get a different definition of what it means to be bisexual to them. It's no longer as simple as "having sexual attraction for both sexes." Shit's just a ball of confusion, now. This is especially true with Gen Z thanks to the entire "gender is a spectrum" debacle.

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by Anonymousreply 117March 6, 2023 2:14 AM

R113 And how many of those 5% Gen Z will be still gay in 10-20 years from now?

by Anonymousreply 118March 6, 2023 12:55 PM


by Anonymousreply 119March 6, 2023 1:00 PM

R118 Again, barring a major cultural whiplash that downright physically (abuse) shoves people en-masse back into the closet or into the grave, it should be at least the vast majority. Gen Z today is early teens to nearing/around 25, and with every year it'll be moving further into the twenties. Even if there's a very modest decrease in gay/lesbian identity over time, that's still *near* 5%. We're not talking just about teenagers tossing labels around, but several years of young professionals expressing their public identities.

I'm sure that Republicans and social conservatives want said whiplash, but they can barely handle and grow that against trans people, let alone gays. Besides the minority of Andrew Tate/etc fanboys, or the most rural homophobes, Gen Z is even more accepting of various sexual orientations than ever before, and young men and women are more comfortable coming out than ever before. Are some doing it for some sort of short term clout, mystique, or even a rare part of some disorder? I'm sure, whatever. But the vast majority should be honestly answering and there's zero strong indication that this figure will drastically backslide.

by Anonymousreply 120March 6, 2023 2:01 PM

R120 You’re completely wrong. 70% plus of those who are “bisexual” will be suburban heterosexual pta members in 10 years.

by Anonymousreply 121March 6, 2023 2:28 PM

* or “gay” as well

by Anonymousreply 122March 6, 2023 2:29 PM

R121 I have my skepticism about such a rise in bisexual numbers, but definitely not for gay and lesbian, which rose in relatively very modest amounts, very consistent with longer term generational and social trends for the last several decades.

We can talk about your stance having more credence when its the 2030s+ and there's some drop in gay/straight identifiers, but that hasn't happened, and may never happen.

by Anonymousreply 123March 6, 2023 2:41 PM

R48, I wouldn’t be so sure about that, Robert’s a 30 year old man still cosplaying as a woman and using women’s spaces. He thinks he deserves special treatment because he “passes”. He also claimed to know he was a “girl” since 5 years old. He’s as mentally unstable as the other trans he complains about.

Surely you can see past his “I’m one of the sane ones” act? It wasn’t even that long ago Robert was calling women bitches and TERFs for not wanting to put up with his gender identity bs. His best pal, “Eden the Doll” has a habit of threatening women and having public meltdowns. One satisfying moment came when that conservative meth head told Robert to grow out his moustache.

Magdalen Berns was right about Robert. Shame she’s not around anymore, she would’ve ripped him a new one.

by Anonymousreply 124March 6, 2023 2:51 PM

Is that Blair gentleman’s name Robert?

by Anonymousreply 125March 6, 2023 2:52 PM

[quote]Magdalen Berns was right about Robert. Shame she’s not around anymore, she would’ve ripped him a new one......


British people mimicking American accents will never not be funny to me. Especially a Valley Girl accent that's already affected.

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by Anonymousreply 126March 6, 2023 3:00 PM

If we put the bisexuals who call themselves gay in the bi category the number of bi men would be slightly higher.

by Anonymousreply 127March 7, 2023 1:09 AM

R127 There are also gays and lesbians that call themselves bi.

by Anonymousreply 128March 7, 2023 1:32 PM

I don’t know a single gay person anymore (outside myself) not a single one. I don’t donate, nothing. It is sad.

by Anonymousreply 129March 7, 2023 1:37 PM

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by Anonymousreply 130March 7, 2023 1:54 PM

[quote] Staff at the centre even joked there would be ‘no gay people left at the rate Gids was going’, it was claimed.

by Anonymousreply 131March 7, 2023 1:55 PM


by Anonymousreply 132March 7, 2023 3:10 PM

R117, Bisexuals who identify as gay are not gay, just as trans women who identify as women are not women.

Straight men don’t sleep with other men, nor do gay men sleep with women.

by Anonymousreply 133March 7, 2023 9:12 PM

But people argue otherwise, R133, and it is so bizarre. How do they get to that point? Trauma?

by Anonymousreply 134March 7, 2023 9:15 PM

I don’t care if they want to identify as bisexual; as long as they are not claiming to be gay or the opposite of their sex. This is a nonissue.

by Anonymousreply 135March 7, 2023 9:17 PM

R134 Retardation.

by Anonymousreply 136March 7, 2023 9:19 PM

R112, I think the Kinsey Scale was pretty accurate, except everything in between 0-6 is just some variation of bisexuality.

I am gay (Kinsey 6) and I have absolutely nothing in common with Kinsey 5s, and other bisexuals cosplaying as gay are on the same drunk train as the T.

by Anonymousreply 137March 7, 2023 9:19 PM

R134, I think it has to do with forcing everyone into the category of heterosexual or homosexual with nothing in between which has caused this confusion and mislabelling.

by Anonymousreply 138March 7, 2023 9:32 PM

[quote]I think it has to do with forcing everyone into the category of heterosexual or homosexual

And a lot of forcing people out of those categories as well, especially gays and lesbians. Really only gays and lesbians.

by Anonymousreply 139March 7, 2023 9:37 PM

When does the bigotry end?

by Anonymousreply 140March 7, 2023 9:42 PM

Why so much women claim to be bisexual? In every research the numbers go up a lot. I wonder if it's for fetish to please hetero males or just social contagion/trendy.

by Anonymousreply 141March 7, 2023 10:18 PM


by Anonymousreply 142March 8, 2023 1:22 AM

R141 bisexual women and even lesbians don't upset the heterosexual elite who control everything like gay and especially bisexual men do

So it's not risky

Nothing pisses the Heterosexual elite off more than gay men and yes even bisexual men, even masculine gay or bi men piss them off, contrary to popular belief, because they couldn't tell they were gay which also makes them angry, even though it's not about heterosexuals feelings....

Everyday I'm on Facebook , I see at least one extremely anti gay male post or comment but I have yet to see any of these posts than are anti lesbian or bisexual women, because most straight people are fine with lesbian/bi women, but gay/bi men? Forget it, they really hate us, their latest scheme is now calling every gay man a "groomer", which is just one step away from calling all gay men pedophile 's, they really are assholes

And where is GLAAD ? aren't they supposed to be defending us against this smear campaign? Their right on the spot when a tranny gets misgendered

They're useless

by Anonymousreply 143March 8, 2023 3:18 AM


by Anonymousreply 144March 8, 2023 3:23 AM

[quote][R117], Bisexuals who identify as gay are not gay, just as trans women who identify as women are not women.

[quote]Straight men don’t sleep with other men, nor do gay men sleep with women.

Yeah, no shit. Tell them that, though. Because you definitely have a bunch of them walking around doing very not gay/straight activities but still calling themselves gay or straight. That's kind of the point.

by Anonymousreply 145March 8, 2023 5:23 AM

The biggest trend among Gen Z is calling themselves non-binary. WTF?

by Anonymousreply 146March 8, 2023 5:58 AM

Gen Z has A LOT of problems. Millennials were the last generation that grew up with any sort of normalcy - at least the 80s babies did, before social media and all that nonsense. Gen Z grew up on 9/11, Bush, Trump, social media, school shootings, non-stop pharmacology, etc. Very, very depressing.

by Anonymousreply 147March 8, 2023 6:57 AM

R68 How do you know they’re straight? Can you read their minds?

by Anonymousreply 148March 8, 2023 8:22 AM

R137 "I am gay (Kinsey 6) and I have absolutely nothing in common with Kinsey 5s"

Really, you as a gay man have absolutely nothing in common with bi men, especially bi men that heavily prefer same sex? Nothing at all in common? That's gotta be one of the dumbest things ever.

by Anonymousreply 149March 8, 2023 12:21 PM

R141 Because a lot of women are into women. Simple as that. Women are hot. I'm surprised there isn't a lot more bisexual and gay women.

by Anonymousreply 150March 8, 2023 12:22 PM

Cellulite and all^.

by Anonymousreply 151March 8, 2023 12:25 PM

^ yeah, cause men don't have cellulite. Or hair growing out of their ears and noses.

by Anonymousreply 152March 8, 2023 9:13 PM

Except that, R143, straight women are consumers of this fake gay romance shite made by women for women. There are also some straight libertarian men who don't give a fuck what other guys do.

by Anonymousreply 153March 8, 2023 9:44 PM

Father is gay

Brother is bi

Boss is my master

by Anonymousreply 154March 8, 2023 11:00 PM

[quote]^ yeah, cause men don't have cellulite. Or hair growing out of their ears and noses.

Yes, most women have cellulite, most men are hairy. You win.

by Anonymousreply 155March 8, 2023 11:04 PM

Most white men are

by Anonymousreply 156March 8, 2023 11:10 PM


by Anonymousreply 157March 8, 2023 11:20 PM

R149, They prefer men more than women. My attraction is exclusively to men. But what it is not is a preference for one sex over the other. Can you understand that?

by Anonymousreply 158March 9, 2023 12:01 AM

I’m kind of with R149 myself.

by Anonymousreply 159March 9, 2023 12:05 AM

R91, There’s no riddle to be had. If you’re choosing to have sex with people of the same sex, then you’re not heterosexual.

If we are going by the logic that "everyone can identify as whatever they want", then a self-identified straight man can have sex with thousands of men and still be considered heterosexual, which no one ever seems to believe.

by Anonymousreply 160March 9, 2023 12:15 AM

Most of these stats are girls who don’t even like sex and are afraid of relationships.

by Anonymousreply 161March 9, 2023 12:20 AM

I think it's more likely that around 30% of the world's population is actually gay. People are too damn closeted. It can't just be 10%, or 5%, or 1%. That is bullshit.


by Anonymousreply 162March 9, 2023 2:01 AM

Lipstick lesbian has never been to Slovenia.

by Anonymousreply 163March 9, 2023 5:26 AM

Slovenia is out to be Russian

by Anonymousreply 164March 9, 2023 10:54 AM

Huh, R164?

by Anonymousreply 165March 9, 2023 1:23 PM

R158:I can understand that you have a lot in common. For starters, you both like men. So to say that you have nothing in common with bi men, even those that are Kinsey 5, is ridiculous.

by Anonymousreply 166March 9, 2023 1:29 PM

R162 30%? How high are you right now? And no, it can't be 10%, since it is a lot smaller.

by Anonymousreply 167March 9, 2023 1:30 PM

Around 80%-85% of gays are still closeted.

by Anonymousreply 168March 9, 2023 1:33 PM

^ ummm, it's 2023 not 1923

by Anonymousreply 169March 9, 2023 2:18 PM

It’s still 1923 in the gay community.

by Anonymousreply 170March 9, 2023 2:20 PM

I think most nonstraight people are closeted and/or DONT see themselves as such

by Anonymousreply 171March 9, 2023 7:08 PM

R169 Homophobia against gay males is still very strong, don't fool yourself.

by Anonymousreply 172March 9, 2023 7:28 PM

"80%-85% of gays are still closeted"........"I think it's more likely that around 30% of the world's population is actually gay"

What the hell are you people smoking?

by Anonymousreply 173March 9, 2023 8:15 PM

I’d say close to 50% of men are capable of having a sexual experience with another male and enjoying it

by Anonymousreply 174March 9, 2023 9:55 PM

R166, Heterosexual women like men, too. Do you want to include them in gay sexuality as well?

I could argue that gay men have more in common with straight women in terms of exclusive attraction to males than with bisexuals. But even so, it doesn’t mean we’re the same.

by Anonymousreply 175March 10, 2023 12:34 AM

According to your logic, 50 percent of gay males would enjoy fucking pussy.

by Anonymousreply 176March 10, 2023 4:42 AM

r176. No. They're saying 50% of all men are basically bisexual. The other 50% are monosexual (100% gay or 100% straight).

by Anonymousreply 177March 10, 2023 4:49 AM

R175 No one is saying that bi men are gay. Or that straight women are in the same group with gay men because they both like men. But to say that you, as a gay man don't have nothing in common with bi men, is ridiculous.

by Anonymousreply 178March 10, 2023 8:32 AM


by Anonymousreply 179March 13, 2023 4:33 PM

Why? ^

by Anonymousreply 180March 13, 2023 4:34 PM

Bisexuality is a sign of sexual narcissism. I used to be very on board with respecting it, but the more exposure to it the more its been made clear to me its more of a personality disorder than an innate sexual orientation. I may be an asshole, I may be 'biphobic' but Ive given it a lot of thought and research. Doesnt matter if they are are 'mostly' gay - they are insane.

by Anonymousreply 181March 16, 2023 2:26 AM

"Five percent of LGBT adults identify as something other than lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender."

And yet DLers are acting like non-binary or queer people are "taking over"

"The biggest trend among Gen Z is calling themselves non-binary. WTF?"

Read the stats. It's not much of a trend.

by Anonymousreply 182March 16, 2023 2:32 AM

"Here is transwoman Blaire White explaining how social media influences kids to believe their trans and/or mentally ill."

Right-wing propaganda

by Anonymousreply 183March 16, 2023 2:34 AM

R183 lives in the stone age.

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by Anonymousreply 184March 16, 2023 2:47 AM

R182, I think I know more than you. I'm a college professor who teaches Gen Z. It's trendy for Gen Z to claim non-binary status.

by Anonymousreply 185March 16, 2023 4:59 AM

This is so bisexually bisexual!

by Anonymousreply 186March 16, 2023 5:15 AM

R185, perhaps, but this scientific Gallup survey is more authoritative and convincing than your limited, individual anecdotal claims.

by Anonymousreply 187March 16, 2023 12:13 PM


by Anonymousreply 188March 24, 2023 12:08 PM

Non-binary is just code for dull, boring and personality free.

by Anonymousreply 189March 24, 2023 12:11 PM

Most young guys in their twenties who i meet feel bi, whether they act on the gay part often or not is up to them

by Anonymousreply 190March 24, 2023 12:13 PM

TikTok is a huge factor in male fluidity

by Anonymousreply 191March 24, 2023 12:19 PM

I think it is more than that

by Anonymousreply 192March 24, 2023 12:22 PM

Duh, we know TikTok isn’t the only factor, but it definitely is a huge factor. Media has written about it

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by Anonymousreply 193March 24, 2023 12:44 PM

R182 It’s taken over LGBT organizations, policies, Pride, and language.

It’s a small group that has major power.

by Anonymousreply 194March 24, 2023 1:02 PM

This is just the people willing to accept and admit it. The number of bi people is higher. I’m constantly being propositioned by “straight” and bi men online. One guy who lives across the country even wanted to drive out to me and take me to a gay sex party. And this man had a whole girlfriend at home.

by Anonymousreply 195March 24, 2023 1:12 PM

R195 It’s the ones with only half a girlfriend at home you have to worry about.

by Anonymousreply 196March 24, 2023 1:15 PM

R190 They tell you they feel bi? Or are you just assuming?

by Anonymousreply 197March 24, 2023 2:45 PM

I suppose that works whether it involves crawlspace burials or said girlfriend calling a stop after top surgery.

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