Would You Hire a Phoenix University Graduate?

I worked with one of their grads who was great. Everyone has a story. In her case, her family couldn’t afford college so she struck out into retail banking and eventually got her degree online.

Pick the more attractive one it'll make everyone happier

I go for personality if all else is equal. That said, I have rejected U of Phoenix grads alot

Hopefully not for their spelling and punctuation, R3.

No. I wouldn't hire a University of Phoenix graduate. I wouldn't have gotten far enough to even consider the person. I would have eliminated the person and not even interviewed them based on the school on the resume. I don't require Ivy league credentials for a position but there is basic threshold a candidate must pass. A degree from the University of Phoenix doesn't meet that threshold. My approach likely removes some candidates who would excel in the position. However, I'm sure it is weeding out far, far more individuals who would not.

When did they get their degrees? If the UP Grad worked in the industry for a while and went back for the cred after being out of school, it shows drive.

Which one is black and/or female?

Hell no. That "University" only allows group work. I knew someone who went there. The hard workers had to pick up all the slack. She got an MBA there but no one will hire her. It's such low quality education. Beware.

Well, the brightest side is that at least you don't have to choose between two candidates from Trump University. Mr. I know how to discreetly keep two books (one for the banks and insurances and one for the IRS) and Mrs. I am a airhead but I'm a 9A blonde just like Ivanka and the value I can reall add I think is my blowjob. In terms of blowjobs I send any other candidate out of the park, except cousin Shelley but she has no teeth.

Certainly before I would hire a Hudson University grad.

No, If you wasted your money on that diploma mill, you're an idiot.

Which one gave the better blowjob?

Let's guess, OP is a big fat chunky karen eating snacks out of her desk...

I would not hire someone with a Phoenix "diploma". Sorry. I would be fair and open-minded about existing staff with Phoenix diplomas - since some boob already hired them and they must be doing well enough to still be employed.

I think for-profit schools should be outlawed. Mind you, I respect the argument all universities are money making enterprises in many ways.

Disclosure: I have Ivy, Sorbonne, and Oxbridge diplomas.

[quote] I respect the argument all universities are money making enterprises in many ways.

Name one way in which they are not.

One.

One way they are not is they do not have external shareholders and other investors who are paid dividends. Yes Harvards admin makes very high salary.

And somehow in your mind that translates to not being a money making enterprise r16?

The Ivy League and a group of other expensive universities is doing the right thing with their endowments by graduating UNDERGRADS with low dept loads. The "need blind" admissions and financial aid institutions. For Profit Universities are all engaged in predatory practices.

How relevant is the course work and the degree to the actual position? How does the formal education weigh against real experience and skills? Presentation?

I’ve worked with people who earned degrees via non-traditional paths. Many did the academic work as adults and as a result had a keener focus than traditional undergrads. I also saw a strong work ethic and desire to learn on the job. I don’t believe a degree from Phoenix is necessarily junk, nor that it should be an automatic disqualifier.

Well I went to "bottom" of the Ivies. And Sorbonne. And Cambridge. Sorry I'm not up to snuff. For Profit universities are scams. You are trying to change the topic.

We were asked for a personal opinion. I wouldn't say jack about someone else's hiring practices. I stated mine.

I applied for a job with an elite lawform, the hiring manager is P.U. alumni.

* low DEBT loads. Yeah spelling mistakes despite my fancy diplomas. Suck it.

Is the MA directly relevant to the position, and if not is the person’s professional experience sufficient that they would be qualified for the role without the degree? I wouldn’t hire a University of Phoenix grad in a role where their degree was a critical qualification for their job. However, I’m currently in a field where an MA doesn’t necessarily correlate with on-the-job success. If my choices were someone with an MA from a diploma mill versus someone with a MA from a better-regarded school, I might chose the Diploma Mill person if I felt they would be a better fit for my team.

I used to work in a role that gave me insight into the operations of a prestigious leadership program at a well-known graduate school. Not only was the leadership program a total shit show behind the scenes, staffed by morons who couldn’t lead their way out of a paper bag, they would admit any student who could pay the tuition. In the years since, I’ve worked with program graduates who have ranged from perfectly competent to rich imbeciles who obviously had tuition money. The program was valuable in terms of personal branding for those who attended, but as a manager in my current field, I would consider a candidate’s professional experience more important than a qualification available for purchase.

Law firm, dammit

[quote]That said, I have rejected U of Phoenix grads alot

JFC.

And he supposedly hires people and looks down his nose at others.

SMFH.

R5 is a total fucking bitch!

Woe be it to ANYONE who associates with you!

R10, but you have to consider the prestige of having your murder investigated by NYPD Detectives.

[quote]Well I went to "bottom" of the Ivies.

Don't you mean you WERE the bottom of the Ivies? All of them?

If they have a resume that shows enough applicable experience in the field, sure. Don’t be a snob.

I think if someone is foolish enough to go to an expensive school with a bad rep like PU, they probably do not have enough savvy to do the job.

R31 exactly.

R29 possibly! 😜🐷

I'm and Arktech !

This one too?

I generally don't believe that most people on DL who say they are charge of hiring actually are, primarily because they only mention it in threads where they've got an agenda (trying to get attention from DL's snob brigade, MRAs who "never hire women," racists who "never hire blacks," etc.)

That said, I can say with certainty that anyone who truly is in charge of hiring should be terminated on the spot if they're talking about candidates and asking for advice on Datalounge.

I'm an Upper Richmond Girls School girl. It's really top-drawer!

“I thought you would be different. I said to myself, go ahead. Take a chance. Hire the smart, fat University of Phoenix graduate. But you ended up disappointing me more than any of the other silly state university grads.”

Phoenix was offering online degrees at a time when many other schools weren't. Maybe the applicant needed to study online.

Don't judge them by the Phoenix certificate. If you feel they're intelligent and qualified then hire them. I'll be blunt, I've met a fair amount of grads from highly respected and sought after schools who were frankly complete morons.

I once worked with an attorney who got her undergrad degree from U of Phoenix but went on to get her law degree from Berkeley (Boalt Hall).

Do they sell Scentsy?

Are for profit schools a bit fishy? Yes. But, that isn’t the applicants fault. You shouldn’t hold the actions of the school against the applicant. Especially if she got the degree years ago, before the news on how those schools operate were wide spread.

If she did good during the interview, and you and her connected, then hire her. That is what the interview is for, after all. If her degree was a disqualification, you shouldn’t have interviewed her.

Also, for your own self, do it. Of course you are not running a charity, but still, you will feel good knowing you have this woman an opportunity. It may end up being one of the things you feel proud of. You said she is a good fit, just do it!

"If she did good during the interview, and you and her connected, then hire her."

If I were in charge of hiring personnel, I would have all applicants write a one page essay, articulating why they want the job and why they are ideal candidates for it. You could tell right away by their writing skills just how well-educated they really are.

I once had a vegan gay guy in my building. He had an unruly chihuahua who he refused to train because he didn't want to suppress his personality.

(r46) Is the chihuahua and University of Phoenix grad?

^ Sorry wrong thread.

I was thinking on retirement I might apply to teach at U P to make a few extra bucks. I have advanced degrees and have taught college courses as an adjunct in the past. But I am bothered by the ethical implications of participating in a system that may be ripping people off. Any feedback?

I don’t think the point of college is to prepare you for a specific job. In fact, I can’t think of any major that actually does that

How can ANY UoP degree holder be taken seriously? Literally all of their classwork is "team work" where a lot of slackers get by because the hard workers want a good grade.

Instead of a for profit school or an online school, get a degree from a community college—cheaper and more respected

R52, community college only gets one an A.A. degree, not a B.A.

R52 nails it. No for-profit schools ever. They're scams and I would trust that the person who applied has the know-how to avoid them. I'd only higher someone who went to non-profit institutions. If poor and dumb, then work your way up until smart and better off. Start at a community college, transfer to a 4-year college or university, then get your MA/MS at an R1 university, and finally a terminal degree at an Ivy or peer institution.

*hire not higher

[quote]But, that isn’t the applicants fault.

[quote]You shouldn’t hold the actions of the school against the applicant. Especially if she got the degree years ago, before the news on how those schools operate were wide spread.

[quote]If she did good during the interview, and you and her connected, then hire her.

I can only assume you’ve never stepped foot in a college classroom.

R56 I do and I am sure I make more money than you do. Enjoy your good grammar and poverty however.

Nothing wrong with getting a degree from the University of Phoenix, OP.

As a matter of fact, it probably exemplifies a person who went to school, while working full time, & still managed to get an education and a degree!

I would choose based on who would bring better quality food to the office pot lucks.

I got a certificate from there Spring 2008.

You forgot about me, you bitches!

It is a clear and straightforward, NO!

Something quite disturbing about a person who consults DL for HR advice. WTF?

I love how all these people chime in that Phoenix offered online degree when other schools did not and that there was a time when the media did not cover the quality of for profit schools.

So I guess if someone got a degree back in the 1990s that is true.

When there are applicants who have been to better colleges, I choose them over shit colleges

I did my bachelors and MBA at UOP while working. All in person, nothing online. I worked my ass off. I hope it shows I had the drive and discipline to do this while working full time, not like some dumb ass kid wasting time after high school.

This thread made me laugh. Thanks DL.

[quote] I do and I am sure I make more money than you do.

Well, the world needs ditch diggers too.

OP - You say they both have "comparable experience" - how long were each of these 2 candidates in their previous positions?

How did those positions compare to the position you want to fill.

How long ago did each of them graduate?

[quote]I did my bachelors and MBA at UOP while working.

University of the Pacific? A perfectly acceptable liberal-arts university.

I went to Harvard.

I went to William and Mary.

Yeah, two of ‘em!

Jealous, bitches?

I would hire a Phoenix U grad before I'd hired an HR person who seeks counsel from anonymous sluts on DL, that's for sure.

The people on this Reddit thread said don't do it. Here's one of the poster's comments:

[Quote]I know that this is a late response, but I would highly recommend not going to UoP for any degree program. Yes it holds regional accreditation, however , For-Profit "universities" tend to be looked down upon by employers as stated by others in here.

[Quote]I know this personally because my mother received her Bachelors in Human resources from UoP. She went on to get her masters at a credible private university which holds regional accreditation. She told me personally that she withholds her Bachelors degree on her resume for what I've pretty much guessed is the reason listed above.

[Quote]Just don't do it. You will be wasting a lot of money and your time.

R69 the Phoenix graduate worked for 15 years after high school before getting their degree (I'm assuming based on dates on resume). They are older.

The State U went to college right after high school and has been working since they graduated, for 10 years.

As someone who feels he has been passed over jobs before due to age discrimination, I'm partial to hiring the older candidate (Phoenix). I just have my reservations about the quality of the education.

Actually, r74 is meant for those thinking about getting their degree from them. You can hire whomever you like for whatever reason.

I wouldn’t be able to look at them in the face without thinking of this fucking commercial.

I hired a person who went to Arizona State University. Turns out she’s not from Arizona and has never even been there. She went to ASU for free while working for Starbucks in NYC. Had I known that ASU can now mean a digital diploma, I’m not sure I would have advanced her through the process. Half of my team is Ivy League and other top-tier schools. She is great and I’m happy with the hire. So this worked out well and the others accept her. But I’ll be on the lookout in the future for sure.

[quote]Something quite disturbing about a person who consults DL for HR advice.

A gossip board is the online version of HR. It seems like a great fit.

Nope. I knew a chick who blatantly cheated getting her Phoenix degree.

According to Forbes, these companies have hired UOP graduates.

[Quote]University of Phoenix had 15,924 alumni working at these companies, which include the likes of Walmart, Amazon, Apple, CVS Health, Microsoft, Verizon and AT&T.

[quote] If I were in charge of hiring personnel, I would have all applicants write a one page essay, articulating why they want the job and why they are ideal candidates for it.

You mean a cover letter?

OP, who did you hire?

At least you'll know they didn't cheat to get admitted.

NO, it is the 90s version of "googling means research" or they watched a youtube video? They are very prone to scams. When they fuck up, you will be liable.

Let them get a job on the Fox News legal team.

R82, No, I mean have the applicant write the essay with a pen as he or she is there for the interview. That would eliminate the possibility of editing and proof-reading or having someone else write it.