Wearing Perfume or Cologne Has Been Linked To Lower Socioeconomic Class

Fuck off, peasant. You could never afford me.

Wearing it judiciously is fine. BATHING in an obnoxiously loud scent does pair well with the great unwashed.

I worked at Bergdorf Goodman where they had $5000 bespoke fragrances available for people who wanted something expressly made for them. Creed fragrances start at $385 and up. I am not necessarily saying because someone spends this type of money that they aren't from socio-economic lower class - considering someone women would buy a bag over spending it on their rent that month. BUT from what I witnessed, both the extremely wealthy and the middle level socio-economic class spent a lot of money on colognes. Tom Ford is not marketed to poor people, that is for sure. And it's not even marketed as aspirational. Some brands you don't even ever hear about UNLESS you have a shitload of money. Baccarat Rouge from Maison Francis Kurkdjian, anyone? I wear Creed Aventus sometimes, and someone literally walked up to me and said I smell like money, even though I barely have any. And home stagers who stage multi-million dollar homes will have Creed in the bathroom as representative of the type of person who would live there.

In case anyone is interested... Baccarat Rouge

Agreed.

Cologne coats booze sweat, sex, and second-shift sourness for many making $25 an hour. I’m surprised how many clerks work 60-80 hours per week.

It is a coating, however, and I’m thankful I work in a setting where K95 masks are still mandatory. There are some stinky motherfuckers making much more than that.

I turn myself on when I wear Creed Aventus. It's probably the best cologne I have ever worn. And one spray will last all day long. That is how you know quality - how far a very little bit will go. It doesn't assault the person smelling it but feels more like it warms up the air around you with a smell that has different affects people - it turns some people on, makes others just happy to be around you. It's like witchcraft.

I love the Creed banker smell. But tbh I rarely never to rarely wear cologne. If I do go to a gay bar sometimes I'll wear Kilian's Dark Lord - it smells like gasoline.

A subtle hint on someone is fine - most people think they need to spray 3 big sprays or more. Repulsive.

This freaks out DL Eldergays who grew up in an era when cologne was a big deal and who often brag about having "signature scents"

But for anyone under 40, cologne is in the same category as wife-beaters, gold chains, undercut hairstyles and big tattoos across the collarbone

While of course there are very expensive colognes, the people who wear them tend to be lower class in my experience. Depending on where you live, wearing a heavy fragrance is seen as more of a social faux pas. In California, the last time I dated someone into fragrances was the aughts and he was from a midwestern small town. Fragrance free is the way to go or just a hint. The only people I see who wear heavy fragrance (and this is not indicative of socioeconomics) tend to be Arab or Middle Eastern men. I think fragrances are out. I could just imagine the fragrance department at Bergdorfs, in the winter, with the heat on - yikes.

An online review for Creed Aventus says 'If you can’t afford Aventus, just use Klarna to make payments. Y’all are acting like this is hard to do'.

Also decants and eBay buys are a thing. You don't have to be rich for those either.

Well when 3.4 ounces cost $425 the last thing you want to do is take a bath in it. R7 Killian has some great fragrances and their names are the best, like "Playing with the Devil." If you like good stuff check out Killian, Creed, Acqua di Parma, Tom Ford and Memo. Creed has about 70 fragrances and his been around longer the the United States - founded around 1760.

Exactly what R9 said but much more succinctly.

"In California, the last time I dated someone into fragrances was the aughts and he was from a midwestern small town."

Well I know at least Northern California is almost fascistic in their repulsion of anything that looks like it might be expensive. Meanwhile they are wearing a $3,000 Loro Piana sweater that looks like it's from Banana Republic.

And r13 maybe it's less of a socioeconomic thing as posited by the thread and more of a generational thing. Because I associate certain colognes with trashy people, but not colognes overall.

R11, there are so many knockoffs of fragrances, I would hardly buy an expensive one that way. A friend of mine was an expert in making the fragrances, replicating them. That was his job. He whipped up Aventus and it did smell exactly like it to start. But unlike Aventus, it didn't change meld, with my body chemistry and just sat on top of it. And it lasted about an hour. I am not saying you have to buy Aventus, but I would just rather not wear it than wear something that might be a knock-off. And the knock-offs are all over Bay and other places.

R9 and like everything, it will have a revival. Some scents are wonderful but I abhor some drugstore deodorants that smell like air fresheners. (It's maybe a German association.)

People get so hung up on the cost of fragrances. Nobody cares. It's something that can't be seen like a great jacket or nice shoes and it's more invasive. The people I've known who were really into fragrance were typically overweight, but coveted luxury or designer items. Since they couldn't wear the clothing of Tom Ford or Chanel, they would douce themselves in the fragrance and then tell everyone the price.

I went to high school in the 80s. Hence, I love cologne.

I love perfume! Obviously too much can be obnoxious, and it's not a good idea to bathe in it for a first date or a job interview. Also I heard that certain scents compliment an individual's body odor differently. So the same perfume can smell good on one person, but bad on the other. But if I came back from work, or I'm going out to a concert or a night at the club, a little spritz helps me feel confident and ready to meet a hot guy. But yeah there are definitely times that a guy leaned over me, I smelled his perfume, and it made me want to grab him. I'd say wearing it correctly and appropriately is a sign of wealth and class. I can imagine that certain rich people don't wear it, like silicon valley hippies. I think perfume (the thing itself and the concept of spending money on it) is offensive to northern European/ protestant cultural types.

R18 I am with you, almost. I went to high school in the 90s and love colognes. It is a generational thing. It was like a rite of passage. I remember watching my dad shave in the morning and when he was done he would apply cologne and then jokingly slap my cheeks with some. Early days like Coolwater, Fahrenheit, Jazz.

As I grew up my tase matured, and my worldview opened up through exposure to what makes colognes better than others. A lot of the department store colognes use a lot of artificial ingredients and alcohols that make them abrasive. And they all end up smelling the same with just traces of their original scent.

It's like wine, you either get into it or you don't. As my grandad used to say, "If you like that kinda thing, then that's the kinda thing you like." Wine is not my thing, but for me the right scent on a man can be intoxicating. Pheromones are a natural part of human sexuality and attraction. And finding a cologne that enhances your personal level attraction can be a fun sport. That's why,

[quote] It's something that can't be seen like a great jacket or nice shoes and it's more invasive.

is completely wrong r17. It's something people experience and associate with you - with smell, an olfactory experience, being the most evocative of human senses. And like clothes it can either be abrasive, invasive or attractive.

R17 Also a Tom Ford outfit head to toe fresh off the runway is probably $5K+. But a bottle of tom ford is about $300. It's still a major expense, but it's a lot more achievable for people who love and identify with the brand.

Although I must say, considering when I grew up, the smell of Drakkar Noir gets me rock hard because of all the high school boys who used to wear it.

Having something hanging from the rear view mirror in your car is also linked to being of a lower socioeconomic class

Ooh, R20, I had Jazz when it first came out - the old black & white bottle. I’d love to see if it smells like I remember. I can’t say I liked it on me, but it was very unique.

Fair enough, R21. I had a chunky friend who spent all her money on Creed fragrances (she like the colognes) but couldn't wear the nice clothing she wanted to. Regardless, the fragrance conversation is very polarizing on the DL. You are either for or against. There isn't much middle ground and I do think it's more an eldergay thing.

People dousing themselves in CK1 in the early 90s cured me of any affection for cologne I might have ever had.

After 40 years, the green bottle of Polo still makes me recall my college frat-party days.

The one trashy scent that I will admit to loving on the right guy is Aqua Di Gio. This reminds me of my first boyfriend in 2000 and it smelled so good on him. He had a huge cock and was gorgeous.

Perfume has always been a complete fraud.

The whole “it will mix with your body chemistry” is complete BS

I tried wearing cologne but it always give me a headache

The WORST are smokers, typically women, who try to cover it up with perfume. There is a saying, "if it smells like fish it's a tasty dish, if it smells like cologne, leave it alone". It's a metaphor that is applicable to multiple scenarios.

I like the smell of soap and clean skin and, God yes, Arabs and Mexicans marinate in cologne. You can smell em a block away.

"I like the smell of soap"

You do know that soap is basically perfuming your skin in much the same way cologne does? Each brand has a signature scent that we associate with it - Irish Spring, Dove. Unless you make your own from lye.

R33 yes I know. Soap however is very unobtrusive and doesn't knock you over.

Oh shush. Quit being a pissy queen. Perfume or Cologne (for mens) is a refreshing thing to slap on after a shower. Problem is most people use way too much. Men slap on aftershave lotion to close the pores after shaving. And women like to feel sexy, letting mens know she's ready to take it. It's all about comfort and feeling nice. Just because you don't like fragrance scent doesn't have to mean everyone else must feel the same stupid way. SNAP!

You don't need lye to make soap.

No one wants to smell you. It should be banned like smoking indoors. People have asthma and the shit in perfumes now is poisonous and cancerous and banned in every country outside of the US.

R9, that's not true. You really think it's 80-year-old guys buying that Axe body spray

R37, what country bans perfume? I don't know of any

[quote] You do know that soap is basically perfuming your skin in much the same way cologne does? Each brand has a signature scent that we associate with it - Irish Spring, Dove.

Dove has sent-free. The original Dove bar has next to no scent.

R39, the chemicals in AMERICAN perfumes are banned.

[quote] Perfume or Cologne (for mens) is a refreshing thing to slap on after a shower. Problem is most people use way too much.

No, even a little bit is too much. It’s low class. You don’t need to smell. Colognes go back to whore houses.

[quote] Men slap on aftershave lotion to close the pores after shaving.

This again speaks to the age gap. Who still uses after shave under the age of 45? Aftershave has alcohol in it, which is drying and aging to skin. Most men use a face lotion or no alcohol based toner if they have large pores.

I enjoyed mixing wood scents because I smoked heavily. I’ve been vaping for a month and the scent is annoying and it sticks to wool.

I’m wondering if I’ll still enjoy my colognes as my nose clears.

R43 is correct. People wore that shit before deodorants were a thing. Men didn’t start wearing it until the 60s. Cologne is unnecessary and rude.

Every product you use has a scent, but perfumes are outdated? Sure... I don't care, I love the smells and I use them for myself.

If you are so sensitive perfumes upset you or make you sick, stick to adoption.

I think the people who are constantly saying Colognes and Perfumes are obtrusive are really the one's revealing their Socioeconomic Class. Their experience of it sounds downright personal and dreadful. They must have grown up in households where their dad came down from the bathroom doused in Old Spice and proceed to beat their mom for burning the toast. Or they had a mom who really laid it on heavy before going out at night, trying to make ends meet.

Stop revising history R42. Fragrance has been loved by royalty and the upper echelon for millenia around the world. It was always a luxury until mass production became the norm in the past 100-150 years. It’s only anemic, brittle white people who complain about perfume. They’re also the ones who can only eat bland food and have nervous breakdowns over a jalapeno or a mango.

My guess is people who wear a lot of loud perfume or cologne also use those super strong scent crystals with their laundry.

That shit can stink up the whole neighborhood when their dryers vent to the outside.

The French aristocracy wore perfume to cover their stink. I was watching some history show about life at Versailles during the "sun king's" reign. They said each day had a designated scent so that they the different scents would not clash and overwhelm people. Between the dog shit everywhere and people pissing and shitting in the corners (yes, those lords and ladies in their finery) it must have been an assault on the olfactory glands.

[quote] Fragrance has been loved by royalty and the upper echelon for millenia around the world.

I will give you this. Harry recounted in 'Spare' that Charles douses himself in his signature scent so much so that he could smell is dad a mile away and they could leave a cloying after effect once he left.

[quote]Wearing Perfume or Cologne Has Been Linked To Lower Socioeconomic Class

Link please.

R48 you don't know a lot of white people do you?

I love people like R42 who feel they live in a scent free world. Every single product you use on your body or washing your clothes in, brush your teeth with has a scent. You might not use a cologne BUT you aren't living in a smell free, scent free world, by far.

And colognes and perfumes go way back to before the Ancient Egyptians.

Years ago I went to a hotel room with a guy who seemed friendly, but awkward. He might have been straight, bi, or inexperienced. He dressed like he was going to church. He wore lots of jewelry. I smelled heavy cologne (the amount applied is always in inverse proportion to its quality), but figured I’d get used to it. Then I knelt down and opened his pants. He had sprayed a quarter of a bottle of cologne all over his cock and balls. Dear god, why?! I tried to do my cocksucker’s best, but it was like a gasoline lollipop. My eyes were burning and it tasted like poison, I was gagging. I had to call it quits. Never experienced that before or since.

Almost all movie stars and politicians wear fragrance too.

People will say, I like my smell... yet they are saying 10 layers of scented products. Deodorant, hairspray, soap, washing detergent, all those expensive skin care products. You don't like your natural smell. You like the smell of those products on you, minus cologne. Trust me, you don't even really know what "YOU" smells like, other than stinking.

Eldergays triggered, as predicted.

[quote] You really think it's 80-year-old guys buying that Axe body spray

No, it's working class teens

I don't understand wearing a fragrance just because it's from X designer. It either smells pleasant to you or not.

I use the fragrance that R1 posted: L'Eau D'Issey. Very fresh and light. Unfortunately, it wears off quickly. I doesn't come in a parfum, which would last longer.

Those of you who still wear cologne - do you use unscented soap, shampoo and deodorant?

If not, don't those scents mess with the scent of your cologne?

Since this IS a socioeconomic discussion only, Rihanna who is a billionaire has been voted the best smelling celebrity because of the scent that she wears. There was a video somewhere candidly asking celebs who is the best smelling celeb, and they said over and over again Rihanna smell the best.

R2 and the rest of the defensive stinkers here simply stink.

And of course it's low SES people who tend to stink the worst with their accumulations of stench products, from the top of their never-cleaned fake hair down to their Dr. Scholl's heavily mentholated anti-fungus cream.

R60, I use unscented soap and a citrus-scented spray deodorant made by Weleda. The citrus scent is very light and unobtrusive.

R60, I probably have some different scents going on, but I don't think it's a major clash.

I wear perfume every day- expensive perfume. I am of course, jumped up white trash with pretensions so maybe there is something to it.

^^^^This among other things

I actually like the scent of Axe Phoenix (discontinued)? Call me trash. I don't care.

When I visited London I was strolling around, doing touristy things, and went to some mall that had Victorian era building on each side and a glass roof. It’s a notable structure but I can’t remember the name.

There was a lovely old perfume shop there. I asked what their bestselling scent was, and it was something made for Queen Victoria. I believe it had a Lily of the valley scent.

It was delicious.

[quote] I wear perfume every day- expensive perfume. I am of course, jumped up white trash with pretensions so maybe there is something to it.

Don't you work with rescue dogs, RC? No offense (you seem cool), but the mix of dog and perfume must bet horrific.

I do r69. I smell nice, it's one of the nicer things about me. I do have a stank attitude though so, there's that.

I deeply care whether Dataloungers think I'm high-class or not in my habits!

I would try Fucking Fabulous, but his hairline and his shoe line offend me.

[quote]This freaks out DL Eldergays who grew up in an era when cologne was a big deal and who often brag about having "signature scents" But for anyone under 40, cologne is in the same category as wife-beaters, gold chains, undercut hairstyles and big tattoos across the collarbone.

Who cares what you think? I'm apparently an "eldergay" and that doesn't freak me out. Your generation is the one that wears all the cologne and has all the tats. I work with the public and the only guys who reek of cologne are under 40. Older guys only ever wore a discreet or mild amopunt of cologne, and no, it wasn't to disguise body odor. And by the way, colognes have become much more strong, and floral, than they used to be. Most of us wouldn't have worn that awful stuff. So kindly talk about something you understand.

[quote]After 40 years, the green bottle of Polo still makes me recall sex with men whose name I didn't know and didn't care to know.

Fixed.

[quote] This freaks out DL Eldergays

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[quote] Who cares what you think? I'm apparently an "eldergay" and that doesn't freak me out. Your generation is the one that wears all the cologne and has all the tats. I work with the public and the only guys who reek of cologne are under 40. Older guys only ever wore a discreet or mild amopunt of cologne, and no, it wasn't to disguise body odor. And by the way, colognes have become much more strong, and floral, than they used to be. Most of us wouldn't have worn that awful stuff. So kindly talk about something you understand.

R4 Yeah, sure only lower class men beat their wives, right?

R75 Dumbass, I was replying to his post, not what he said eldergays freak out about.

Wearing PIERCINGS, RINGS, TATTOOS and SHAVING ONES PUBIC HAIR has been linked to being a LOW CLASS FAGGOT.

A discreet dab, spray, or slap is not the same as dousing yourself, or multiple applications. I often smell women passing me by, or men, who utterly reek. Sometimes it's quite hilarious that they are either blissfully unaware of this, or just don't care and wish to reek. Generally the perfume smells cheap and the cologne smells to me like Brut. My father wore that and it was potent.

I generally loathe cologne & perfume, but I can smell good if just lightly dabbed, here & there.

OP, where is this "link" you cite?

Those of you who are strenuously debating the OP--what good will it do? If he doesn't like fragrance, he doesn't like fragrance.

He knew damned well he had no data nor facts to back his claim, and so he was just stirring the shit.

I blocked him.

[quote]I blocked him.

Well, aren't YOU special? No, I mean it. Special. Very, very special.

We all know there’s just one scent we discuss here.

so what perfume smells like soap?

Many of the cheaper ones do, R85

People often criticize orange blossom fragrances for smelling soapy, R85, although I haven't experienced that. To me orange blossom has a very heady and complex scent. It is however a 'clean' white floral as opposed to jasmine or tuberose which to me often have a strange animalistic note. Orange blossom can smell very sharp and green.

My deodorant and shampoo have a slight “clean” scent but that’s it.

Unscented for everything else. I accidentally bought some scented clothes detergent and it was vile. Ended up giving it away.

And I’m an eldergay who just loooved cologne in the 80s.

OP = Matthew McConoghey trying to justify.

Soap is not necessarily cheap-smelling.

Sì, it is extremely lower class to wear perfume. But not to endorse it.

i have 2 bottles of dk men fuel - one almost full and one unopened. the most favorite "thing" i own.

DL fragrance threads always seem to ruffle feathers.

R93 I can't understand how OP saying "Are you stinky trashy person who wears this junk?" could possibly ruffle any feathers.

Scientific fact, patchouli scent makes people think of sex. Thats why i love polo

R68 that's Covent Garden and the perfumers is Penhaligons.

King Charles only wears Creed 'Green Irish Tweed'

I always buy knockoff Tobacco Vanille and Baccarat Rouge on EBay, they smell exactly the same, but obviously don't last as long. My favourite though is some Arabian Oud which is very strong and I always get complimented on it

[quote] Scientific fact, patchouli scent makes people think of sex.

I hate patchouli and would find it a sexual turn-off.

[quote] Arabs and Mexicans marinate in cologne. You can smell em a block away.

My Egyptian BIL oversprays the most vile scents, both expensive and cheap. The Oud alone makes me feel violently ill, to the degree I can't bear to visit my sister at their place. But it's his culture, and he seems anosmic to it.

R74 back when my straight homophobe Boomer father worked in sales, he wore the 80s Green Polo for fucking years. And it stank on him, and in general. He also had the most disgusting and unflattering moustache that he waxed with this weird-smelling balm.

Nowadays, he's clean-shaven, out of the ratrace, and doesn't use cologne anymore, thank fuck. Then again, he's also been a weird depressed reclusive deadbeat scrabbling for pennies ever since, so.

I own a business and cringe anytime a man comes in wearing cologne. It is usually elderly white men or middle-aged black men. It is repulsive so I never wear it. That being said, I came across this commercial and liked it so much I watched it three times.

R101 Cute guy! As a kid I liked Canoe. My mom always gave it to me. I still think it's a nice scent. It was originally a scent for women, for about 25 years. It was considered the opposite to Tabu. Then they decided to market it to men.

Just some of the "lower socioeconomic class" people who favor perfume:

King Charles III wears Annick Goutal Eau D’Hadrien, Creed Green Irish Tweed, Davidoff Cool Water, Penhaligon’s Blenheim Bouquet, Crabtree & Evelyn West Indian Lime, and Floris fragrances.

The Prince of Wales wears wears Ralph Lauren Polo, Penhaligon’s Blenheim Bouquet

Prince Edward, Earl of Sussex wears the fragrance Guerlain Heritage

King Felipe of Spain's favorite perfume is Hugo Boss Dark Blue

Princess Anne 's favorite fragrance is Hermes Caleche

Tom Hanks wears the perfume Creed Green Irish Tweed

Cate Blanchett 's favorite fragrances are Giorgio Armani Si Intense, Giorgio Armani Si, Giorgio Armani Prive fragrance, Burberry Brit, L'Artisan Parfumeur Mure et Musc, Kai Kai, Donna Karan Black Cashmere, Clinique Aromatics Elixir, Kisu Tann Rokka

Tom Hiddleston 's favorite perfume is Shay & Blue Blood Oranges

Meryl Streep wears Guerlain Shalimar, Annick Goutal perfumes

Michelle Obama wears the perfumes Creed Acqua Fiorentina, Creed Love In White

Harrison Ford 's favorite perfumes are Creed Millesime Imperial, Guerlain Vetiver

Colin Firth 's favorite perfume is Tom Ford Grey Vetiver

Emma Thompson wears the perfumes Christian Dior Dune, Giorgio Armani Gio

Benedict Cumberbatch 's favorite perfumes are Annick Goutal Monsieur, The Perfumer’s Story Old Books

Catherine Deneuve wears the perfumes Catherine Deneuve Deneuve, L'Artisan Parfumeur La Chasse Aux Papillons, L'Artisan Parfumeur The Pour Un Ete, Annick Goutal Sables, Annick Goutal Eau D'Hadrien, Chanel No.22, Chanel No. 5, Chanel No.19, Ormonde Jayne Ormonde Woman, Guerlain Nahema, Guerlain L'Heure Bleue, Guerlain Chamade, Dyptique L'Ombre Dans L'Eau, Serge Lutens Un Lys, Serge Lutens Ambre Sultan, Serge Lutens Fleur d'Oranger, Serge Lutens Rose de Nuit, Frederic Malle Carnal Flower, Frederic Malle Noir Epices, Frederic Malle Une Rose, Frederic Malle Lipstick Rose, Frederic Malle Iris Poudre, Frederic Malle Cologne Bigarade, Frederic Malle Lys Mediterranee, Fresh Rose Menthee, Jo Malone fragrances, Maison Francis Kurkdjian Lumiere Noire pour Femme, Parfums de Nicolai Sacrebleu, Yves Saint Laurent Y

YSL Opium from the '80s was a hard one to handle. It was so strong.

I'm a runner and I'm paranoid about my smell, so I wear cologne. I like crisp citrusy fragrances.

It's no different from flashing money or wearing a lot of flash jewelry, loud cologne is low class. If that's you deal with it.

I can't afford Creed. I use Chanel Bleu.

While it's true Gen Xers and Millenials are big on perfume, it's pretty trendy with Gen Zers. Sabrina Carpenter, Billie Eilish and Ariana Grande have all released very popular perfumes. Cloud by Ariana Grande is a cheap but almost identical knock off of the 500 dollar Baccarat.

In me village we may not have potatoes, beef or running water but we bathe in Chanel No 5 every night.

LOL @R103

As if 90% of those didn't come from PR teams working for the manufacturer who paid the singer or actor to say they wore their scent

R110, I would love to get Frédéric Malle and l'Artisan Parfumeur scents for free!

[quote]r96 That’s Covent Garden and the perfumers is Penhaligons.

THANK YOU!

[quote]R104 YSL Opium from the '80s was a hard one to handle. It was so strong.

Oh, dear. I wear that sometimes. But just a LITTLE!

Absolutely love Penhaligons!!

Instead of worrying about what eldergays do, I think younger gays should focus on learning how to probably wipe and clean their asses so it doesn't smell like a barnyard going down on them with asses full of dingleberry confetti. I guess all those helicopter parents didn't circle their holes to teach them about proper hygiene.

R115 Stop trickin in West Virginia bitch. Stop trickin in them hillbilly parts of town.

I’m sick of you making these post.

[quote] While it's true Gen Xers and Millenials are big on perfume, it's pretty trendy with Gen Zers.

Oh, dear, and do you mean NOT big with the aforementioned groups?

R103, that’s fake. Thanks for playing.

[quote]No one wants to smell you. It should be banned like smoking indoors.

Well, smell you.

And what's WRONG with Axe Body Spray??!

R115 one of my favourite concept fragrances is actually a ‘barnyard’ category scent—original (unreformulated) Dzing!. It reminds me of the farm back home.

As a straight single woman it is sexy when a man uses a perfume. God knows most of us don't want to smell the nasty funk coming a guys body. We don't like the natural slightly sweaty smell that emit from you guys. It is gross so please use some men cologne to cover whatever B.O you have.

I thought OP was gonna say Wearing Perfume or Cologne Has Been Linked To Cancer, or something. I'm sure that's the next headline.

This has led me down a rabbit hole. I'm going to sample the different Creed scents and find one to become my signature. I hope I like Irish Tweed. I'm under 40, and wear nothing.

But as we get older the truth is, we stink. It's nice to have a signature scent that isn't reminiscent of encroaching death.

R124 nonenal tannin soap will become your friend

Cologne is a dealbreaker when it comes to sex.

I hate smelling someone's scent as I pass them on the street. how gauche!

Who are you talking about R83? I'm curious.

[quote] But as we get older the truth is, we stink. It's nice to have a signature scent that isn't reminiscent of encroaching death.

I don't think older age --> stink. Possibly, some older people become complacent about hygiene and housekeeping. Bad smells in house permeate clothing, etc.

If you're keeping up with hygiene, I don't think there should be any particular bad smell or "old man" / "old lady" smell.

Also, sorry to sound lecturous, but you can't hide bad body odors with perfumes.

That said, I hope you find a scent that you like.

Oh fun, the anti-fragrance troll OP has struck again.

Where is this supposed link and research tying it to lower socioeconomic class?

[quote] It's nice to have a signature scent that isn't reminiscent of encroaching death.

Mothballs

You'll take my Amouage from my cold, dead tornado-ravaged mobile home.

[quote]But as we get older the truth is, we stink.

R129 I guess that's your truth. If someone has bad hygiene, they'll stink, but otherwise I don't know what you're talking about. I know a lot of older people and none of them smell.

My ex wore Derby by Guerlain (I think the fragrance has since been discontinued). What was interesting was that it smelled so incredibly sexy on him but absolutely terrible on me - at least I thought so. In fact, I couldn't stand the cologne on me, I had to wash it off. But on him, well, that was another story.

I have one very small bottle of what is most likely a knockoff of Aveda's Eros (because I think they discontinued it like 20 years ago) that I got on eBay and it smells exactly like the original. And I've only ever worn it twice, sparingly, and on a date.

Even a tiny amount of sweating will drastically strengthen the fragrance you wear. Tell your male friends. Less is best. See, they put on a decnt amount, but then they sweat while getting dressed. By the time they leave, they smell like a brothel. Put cologne on LAST. Only put it on after you've done everything but shut and locked your door. Body sprays in lieu of colognes are a better choice when you know you'll be seating a lot, like from dancing.

Harry said Princess Diana wore perfume.

The stench of death emanates from inside. It isn't hygiene.

Children can smell it on our breath.

I notice either white trash or immigrants tend to dump on the scents

R50 You're right, that's how it all started. Perfume had more to do with covering the stink of the street than adding to it. People used perfumed handkerchiefs (nosegays) to mask the odor.

Living in a house with VINYL or ALUMINUM siding has been linked to

Lower Socioeconomic Class

Arrogant middle class whites from Ameristan who think they are upper middle class because they live 5 minutes away from a golf course and they have a timeshare in Orlando will always hate perfume. Not knowing that almost every successful musician, actor, politician, etc., wears perfume. And they make their fame and fortune by charming strangers, building relationships with colleagues, going to parties, etc. They curate a scent the same way they curate a brand, image, or sense of style. If the right perfume is chosen, and it's worn correctly, it can be intoxicating. Campaign managers spend hours deciding which perfume to put on a candidate and their partner, because it's plays a big part in how that person is experienced. If you are sensitive to perfume, that's fine. But everyone saying it's associated with being low class is ignorant. It's also prejudiced to say it's trashy and complain about Arabs and Hispanics using it at the same time.

A lot of Indian and Arab guys who don’t wear deodorant wear very heavy cologne. They seem to think it masks the Bo

Well those are cultures in which the people 1) sweat more 2) warmer climates 3) fragrant and garlicky food affects their body odor. Having perfume that is strong and noticeable was a status thing, so mix everything together, and you have a reason why they wear so much. The more time they spend in America, the more they will adjust to fit our practices when it comes to fragrance.

R139 Well, if you're in your death throes, then I guess so. I'm so sorry.

R143 has been a paid announcement from the International Association of Perfumiers

R95 The original green Polo also had a lot of Oak Moss and Irish Moss. As the EU has banned both in fragrance (not certain why), I wonder what the perfumers are using to substitute?

I've recently been using the Polo green deo stick, and it's really long-lasting, and nicely herbacious, yet earthy as well. My partner really likes it, especially when he lays his head on me. It isn't too overpowering, and he says it smells nothing like the cologne. I do definitely pick up on the Patchouli; probably more than with the actual cologne. It is very sexy.

I don’t care what culture you’re from walking the streets with Bo is offensive and anti social

Confession: I never go more than a few days without a shower, but as I'm not a very active person and often forget or can't face it due to depression. honestly there are days I don't. Also, I live in communal housing with four other adults sharing the same bathroom, so there are also days that I just haven't time to wait for it to be free (yes, I know, 'use the gym/pool/work shower, stinky whore').

Still, I don't layer on perfume and bodyspray to cover the fact I've not showered, that only makes matters worse. Just triple up on the deodorant, put on clean clothes from the drawer or the washer, and try not to get sweaty--usually it's fine and I don't smell at all.

R150 you are nasty and probably lying about your B.O. I don't want to sit next to you smelling the funk emitting from your body. Not showering everyday is gross.

[quote]I use the fragrance that [R1] posted: L'Eau D'Issey. Very fresh and light. Unfortunately, it wears off quickly. I doesn't come in a parfum, which would last longer.

Agree, R59; for that reason I do not purchase any frags from Annick Goutal's line. Or Jo Malone's.

Lovely scents that wear off in an hour or two. YMMV.

Straight single women should not be here, looking at the gays as their entertainment, begone fish.

R153 use some cologne nastyhomosexuality. At least we use perfume so what is your excuse smelling like a mentally unstable homeless person.

[quote]so what perfume smells like soap?

Ivoire by Balmain reminds me of Dove. (Not to be confused with the old Ivoire de Balmain, a green chypre.)

Fragrances should cost a lot of money if only so people are judicious when they use it

I wear fragrances for myself. It has to be something light, fresh, and clean.

R91 Wearing perfume is probably tied to lower socioeconomic classes in the US. In Europe it's opposite since Perfumery were popularized by Royal Houses and aristocrats. The worlds finest fragrance brands are European.

Many people have an impaired sense of smell due to age or some other health issues. If they use cologne or perfume they can’t always tell when enough is enough. What’s unbearable to others might be barely noticeable to them.

I love fragrance. I am on the higher rungs of the socioeconomic ladder but it's not where I started. Does my love of fragrance betray my humble beginnings? When people compliment me on my choice of fragrance are they really mocking me?

The article @R103 saddens me deeply.

90% of the classic frags (pre-2005 or so) bear little resemblance to their original scent. Whether one agrees with its mission or not, IFRA has destroyed classic perfumery. Everything has been re-formulated to within an inch of their lives. People born after 1995 have little idea what high-quality fragrances used to be.

Only the names are unchanged.

R150, I would gently urge you to get into that shower once per day. You can't just double-up on deodorant and "try not to get sweaty." That's no way to live, long-term.

You say you're struggling with depression and that's understandable.

If you're putting on fresh clothing, that indicates that you have the energy to do laundry. Why not just take a shower, also?

I remember the '80s Ivoire fragrance. Very strong & old lady-ish.

R162 can you imagine the funk emitting from his body even with clean clothes on.

Go into Marshall’s or TJ Maxx. Maybe that’s where they did the study.

Look at who’s sampling the men’s scents: new immigrants, where I am mostly Central American and Brazilian, so presumably fitting the lower socioeconomic level financially.

It’s something inexpensive that they think makes them more attractive. Other’s experiences or expectations may vary.

Posh people can be very into their fragrances, though.

R150 If you can't get in the shower, at least wash off in a sink. "A few days"? Gross.

There was always a certain kind of woman you'd find drenched in cologne. Cheap, heavily made up, sexy dress, long red nails, big jewelry, even in the office. Very uncomfortable to be around. Then the men in open shirts and gold chains, greasy haired gangster types, big watches and heavy scents.

I don't wear cologne, scents bother me, although sometimes I enjoy them on people if the scent is subtle.

Hasn't everyone mostly stopped wearing scent? I wore cologne in the 90s but so did every one else. I never smell cologne anymore.

I have a friend who has very keen olfactory senses and can smell when a hole is not clean. She literally is overwhelmed when someone hasn't;t wiped thoroughly which made me question how clean my hole is. Since she shared this, I too can smell when someone hasn't fully wiped or when a women is on the rag - a sweet, fishy smell tinged with a talcum alkaline smell. Bottom line, dirty whores, if you don't shower daily, somebody, if not everybody knows. Older men in particular start to gain an natural fermoldhyde or as someone said up thread, moth ball smell. I used to love the smell because it reminded me of my grandfather, but now I've learned that this decaying smell is part of the 55+ crowd.

R170 your friend needs to be on a leash working for the Police.

They did R169, but as you note, that happened over the past 25 years and on Datalounge it is still 1987

W&W for r171.

Who cares what the fucking European royalty did, they also colonialized the world, does that make it acceptable? Europe has a bad track anyway, just saying. In America, heavy perfume is considered trashy, if thats you, then you're trashy. I especially hate to smell a gay guy who washes in cologne, it's far too embarrassing. Women tend to be worse with perfumes I think.

From R103

[quote] Michael Phelps wears the fragrance Yves Saint Laurent L'Homme

So he [italic] is [/italic] Gay ?

I love (prestige) fragrance. But it can quickly become obnoxious when the wearer overdoes it, or wears something trendy that doesn't suit them. The worst kind of pig is the one who puts fragrance on over BO. They should be shot and pissed on. If your not freshly showered, don't bother. Moreover if you are lazy when it comes to hygiene and don't shower daily, you have no business using fragrances.

Then there are people like my straight brother, who think Axe and Old Spice are "the best" fragrances. There's no hope for people like that.

You're *

R169, R172. My friend works at the men's cologne counter at Nordtrom and I assure you people still buy scent. People buy women's scents, too.

OP must be referring to USA and only certain social sets.

London, Paris, Geneva, Barcelona, the Côte d'Azur, Rome - you smell perfume and cologne everywhere. I'm a professor in a Swiss university. Both sexes of students wear fragrance, and the dudes more than the women. And the guys smell stronger because popular mens fragrances are loud, these days, filled with ambroxan and iso E Super.

It's not just the working class kids but yeah they love it more and spray it heavy. If you think a 2nd generation serb/croat or portuguese origin 20yo Swiss stud, smart as a whip, dosed in his fragrance, is offensive, JUST KILL YOURSELF NOW.

I like fragrances so none of this bothers me in fact its an entertaining part of my day. Just how many are wearing Sauvage in this room? And which ones dare to go full Middle Eastern. Increasingly the European boys ARE wearing scents from the Middle East and skipping the European designer brands.

Lattafa

Al Haramain

And Amouage, the luxury brand from the Middle East.

A beautiful young person in Amouage is really something.

Generally, most are wearing Prada, Versace, Paco Rabanne, Boss, Mont Blanc, Chanel, and Dior and scally/rebu types add Burberry, Lacoste and Gaultier. And many wear Zara frags, which aren't half bad and they can afford them. Italians will buy the Italian brands. Both recent Missonis are inexpensive and wonderful.

New Balance collab with JJJBound in nu scally style.

A lot of this style this year. Notice the loose trousers. But dosed in dandy fragrance.

In honor of this thread, I just applied some Green Tea by Elizabeth Arden. A classic light scent, marketed to women, but quite unisex in its presentation. I like to wear it when I am longing for spring.

Wearing nasty stinky perfume is the territory of low class, that includes new money trash. Real perfume made with real flowers and authentic ingredients usually smell nice. That said I am still allergic to most perfumes. They make me sneeze my head off.

[quote] My friend works at the men's cologne counter at Nordtrom and I assure you people still buy scent. People buy women's scents, too.

The low class do. The upper class don’t.

[quote] Real perfume made with real flowers and authentic ingredients usually smell nice.

You mean essential oils?

[quote] Hasn't everyone mostly stopped wearing scent? I wore cologne in the 90s but so did every one else. I never smell cologne anymore.

The trashy do and fatsos, since they think it covers up their funk.

Perfume in the US is black boxed and dangerous. It’s full of cancer causing chemicals.

“No state, federal or global authority is regulating the safety of fragrance chemicals,” says Janet Nudelman, policy director for Breast Cancer Prevention Partners (BCPP) and co-founder of the Campaign for Safe Cosmetics. “No state, federal or global authority even knows which fragrance chemicals appear in which products.”

Three-quarters of the toxic chemicals detected in a test of 140 products came from fragrance, reported a 2018 BCPP study of personal care and cleaning brands. The chemicals identified were linked to chronic health issues, including cancer.

The problem isn't colognes or perfumes, it's low quality ones. Expensive or cheap doesn't matter, the original China Rain fragrance is cheap but still smells fresh and lovely because it's not synthetic.

And apparently old people smell is a real thing, I looked it up. It's not a hygiene issue, it's something to do with the breakdown of fatty acids as the skin ages.

Making threads without any documentation about how perfume l has been linked to lower socioeconomic class has been linked to being very annoying.

[quote] King Charles only wears Creed 'Green Irish Tweed'

According to this website, he also wears Annick Goutal Eau D’Hadrien, Davidoff Cool Water, Penhaligon’s Blenheim Bouquet, Crabtree & Evelyn West Indian Lime, Floris fragrances.

I've read it confirmed elsewhere, too, that he wears Penhaligon's Blenheim Bouquet (which is also a favorite of Prince William) and Floris fragrances.

[quote] The worst kind of pig is the one who puts fragrance on over BO. They should be shot and pissed on.

Wouldn't that make them smell even worse?

I know from my parents that cologne was not considered all that low class back in the 70s and 80s.

Curious why it fell out of favor and developed that reputation with Millennials and Gen Z. I googled, but nothing came up. I suspect perfume makers have done some research on it, but not for public consumption.

R193 another point related to this: so many cleaning and hygiene products these days contain synthetic scents, that they've become associated with those products rather than with luxe cosmetics. So people smell lemon these days and think of bathroom cleaner, or smell pine and think of floor wash, or smell cherry blossom and think of hand soap or deodorant room spray. So, perfume now smells less like natural or like a desirable adornment to people, and more like something utilitarian associated with un/cleanliness.

I don't know about that R199

Weren't "cleaning and hygiene products" all scented back in the 70s and 80s?

If anything, the trend on those products has been to more natural scents--companies like 7th Generation or Mrs. Meyers.

R180 you sound like my husband. He is a professor as well based in Rome. And each time he comes home he is talking about his students and his crushes. He never crosses a line, but says a combination of how the boys look, dress and how smart and engaged they are in what he is teaching is quite intoxicating. Makes him horny as fuck. I'm like - I guess so and so his getting an A.

[quote] Popular mens’ fragrances are loud, these days, filled with ambroxan and iso E Super.

Nothing quite so vile in commercial fragrance. Except perhaps an overpowering Oud or Patchouli, which could easily clear a large room like a lecture hall.

R4 the dopey Kardashian obsessed baby fraus who infest TikTok already ruined that one.

Mont Black smells very similar to Abercrombie's Fierce.

*Blanc

I have had to wean my mother off her ck and onto more respectable niche.

Wtf is a "nu scally style," r185?

R204 there are at least 50 Mont Blanc fragrances.

[quote] my husband ... is a professor as well based in Rome. And each time he comes home he is talking about his students and his crushes. He never crosses a line, but says a combination of how the boys look, dress and how smart and engaged they are in what he is teaching is quite intoxicating. Makes him horny as fuck. I'm like - I guess so and so his getting an A.

Sounds like he's crossing an ethical line if his crushes are getting As because professor wants to fuck them.

A is for Athlete

B is for Beautiful

Cologne and yes even doedourant has been OUT for years now.

On the subject of showering/BO: being young, gorgeous and arty I can get away with not showering for a few days and no one noticing/caring. In fact, my armpit biome would seem to equalise and have zero scent even after days without a shower (this was confirmed by other people - I didn’t just get used to my own stink.) But there were times when I would go from this state to then having a shower, washing my pits with soap and developing heinous BO within minutes. There seems to be some link between soap and BO.

This all went out the window though at some point last year when, drunk, I rubbed armpits with a bunch of my friends. I’ve stunk since.

R211 stop blaming your friends just admit you sometimes stink.

What else is "out" in the USA? Socialised medicine. Public decorum and civility. Fragrance. What else?

Ladies wearing hats and gloves on airplanes R213

I hear that even the stewardesses are allowed to wear trousers!!!

R214 Yes that's so particular to the US. (Not.)

R215 = satire few zone.

R216 "satire few zone" is funnier than the satire.

R214 not only are stewardesses allowed to wear trousers now, their asses are allowed to take up the entire aisle! This is especially disconcerting during a slow beverage service, seeing this planetary mass slowly approaching.

Better to smell cologne, than the body odor of strangers. Just a very small spray of a quality cologne on a clean body is nice. Must be subtle.

My Dad used Old Spice, this was a million years ago, in the 50s. He had a mug with the soap and brush as well. Loved to watch him shave, and he would let me soap my face and pretend to shave. My favorite aunt used Shalimar and Chanel No. 5. So these scents evoke nice memories.