My right-wing family won’t stop obsessing about buying food for “upcoming shortages”

Op , they are right . Take heed

The right is obsessed with end of days scenarios.

[quote]We are friendly and close and they have many good qualities

Stopped reading, won't be back.

What food it going to be scarce? What are they stocking?

Someone told too.

Speak with them about this one last time, OP. Forbid them from bringing this batshit crazy paranoid stuff up around you or you'll have to stop spending time with them. That's it.

Tolerating this insanity feeds it and encourages it to spread. Put your foot down and put a stop to it. If they want to be crazy white-wing hoarders, they'll have to do it away from you. Stop enabling their behavior.

Well they are my family and cutting them off would be as bad as them cutting me off for being gay. They took care of me for 12 weeks after a recent accident. They love me and they are family.

Came here to vent and see how others cope with this kind of thing. In my mind, you can’t just cut people off when they hold different views.

Honk an air horn at them with every utterance of their claptrap.

Yes, R6, I tell them time and again I don’t want to discuss. I feel like a broken record.

They don’t have many hobbies and their special interest is going on Rumble or whatever it’s called. I assume Rumble spews conspiracy theories galore.

The FoxBrain subreddit is what you're looking for, OP.

Here is a link they sent me today (notice there is some crap about texting TRUTH to “MyPillow”)

Make your own choices about your insane, right wing, hoarder/prepper parents and what you choose to allow as part of your life.

Just know that you can stop this if you choose to do so, you don't have to tolerate this shit.

Thank you, R10. I need it.

Also, Qult_Headquarters (for following the activity of conspiracists) and QAnonCasualties for support.

Sounds like they're in pretty deep, far beyond FoxBrained

OP if they keep this shit up, pull a Pennsylvania Goys on them. Then say, you shoulda kept your fuckin mouth shut.

Posts about the cesspool that is rumble on Qult_Headquarters

You don't mess with nobody, r15!

It’s my sister and her husband, R12 when I say “family.”

My late parents never would have held these extreme beliefs, especially my liberal feminist pro-choice pro-black pro-everything Jewish dad.

My sis married an evangelical guy. He has many good qualities, but we have nothing in common politically. All four of their kids are adults and all liberal, and I know the kids find these scares irritating as well.

Unless you live with them this is a complete non-issue. Learn how to change the subject.

So glad my boomer parents are liberal. Politics are the only thing we see eye to eye on these days it seems.

R18 well take them to the basement and remind them that what happens to little kids can happen to adult siblings too.

Thanks, R14.

Now this is an example of what I’d hoped to get by visiting the Datalounge tonight.

And also a place to vent.

[quote]The right is obsessed with end of days scenarios.

Yeah right...hillbillies and Q Anon conspiracy nuts...

"Some of the wealthiest people in America—in Silicon Valley, New York, and beyond—are getting ready for the crackup of civilization."

Thanks, R16. I took a quick look and it’s pretty disturbing. I hadn’t realized they were in so deep.

It’s truly another world to me. Christ.

For those saying it's easily avoidable and not a real issue, I disagree. Based upon the semi-regular violent events that continue to occur in the US and internationally linked to these beliefs, I am not alone in this belief.

Jesus Christ, these links being shared are disturbing as hell.

It is educational for me. Keep ‘em coming.

They're trying to help you OP. Bill Gates is evil. They are not wrong. Even his wife wised up and left.

R28, could you please say more or post a link about Bill Gates?

The Train family massacre in Australia is a recent example. These folks are being driven into psychosis.

There's been several warnings about it from the FBI and DHS. Here's the thing: Most people who believe these conspiracies and the associated social media platforms have no idea it's QAnon they're following.

It's possible that uber-wealthy people who perhaps don't donate to right-wing politicians and organizations are considered "the enemy." Of course, right-wing donators like the Koch, Mercer, and Murdoch families aren't treated as the enemy, but they don't really want the end of democracy by overthrow because democratic governments helped them become and help them maintain their uber wealth, and they may also suspect they'll be killed by anarchists to get at their money. I think that's why Murdock is backing away from Trump: the last thing Murdock wants is an angry mob hanging him and his family on an improvised gallows. Jan 6 may have been the last straw for Murdoch.

I feel for you. My aunt married a brilliant man. He was an architect, then got into computers, and formed a company. But he is an Evangelical Christian and has recently bought property in Arkansas to live off grid, and has invested in many firearms and firearm training. The thing is, they are both in their 60s. My aunt isn't in great health. I truly think a lot of older, well -to-do men can't come to grips with their mortality, so they start to plan for a series of improbable events that they can have the illusion of control.

Not the multi-billion lawsuits for Murdoch, r31?

Oh Christ. R33, last year, my sis and husband bought a property in the sticks where the whole family will go in case “things get really bad.” They talk about living “off the grid.”

[quote] I’ve warned them in the past about “no politics” when we are together. They are far right, and I’m firmly on the left.

In her advice column in the Washington Post, Carolyn Hax repeatedly says something that I think is very smart: when you announce boundaries to other people you are really setting them for yourself, and not for them.

If you are setting boundaries, it is up to you to make clear to the other people that you are maintaining them and are not letting them get away with breaking them. They have no reason to obey your wishes unless you make it clear you will not engage with them when they disrespect your limits.

So, when they explicitly talk about things you've told them not to discuss in front of you, it is up to YOU to stop it. If just saying, "I thought I told you I won't talk about poltiics with you" gets no response, then you may need to just walk away, or stare and dramatically change the subject, or even (if you have to and an an absolute last resort) put your fingers in your ears and say, "La la la, I can't hear you when you talk about politics."

There's no point in your setting boundaries if you establish them, then they break them, and you then do whatsoever nothing about it.

I just wanted to clutch pearls not facism…

It was a great money maker in the late 70s and early 80s when total nuclear annihilation was promised.

There are plenty of warn-out cottages in the PNW that go for millions - leftovers from the cyclical run away fad.

The stories at R23 and R24 are from 2017.

[quote] today’s preppers tend to have more resources, they are investing in tech-based currencies like Bitcoin

That worked out well.

Pay someone to kidnap them and take them to a cult deprogramming center.

r23, r24, & r28 are a RW troll

[quote]They talk about living “off the grid.”

Tell them to start now. Problem solved.

R23=R24=R28= Dumbvida

I guess they think Bill Gates is a Jew.

What type of food is going to become scarce? Asking for a friend.

A small stockpile of food, water, and cash is a good idea. Natural disasters are rare but unpredictable. A prolonged power outage could turn into a very serious problem.

The most important thing when dealing with someone you care about is to not to attempt to disprove or factually correct their delusions. It turns them against you and drives them deeper into their bubble. Most people will find this extremely difficult to bear, so finding yourself a good therapist is recommended.

That's rational, wise, and recommended by FEMA and the Red Cross, r46. It is also nowhere close to what these people are doing and their obsession with the end times/elites/NWO ( read: The Jews )

I have needed a good therapist, R47, since my mom died nearly two years ago. She and I were very connected & I took care of her for 15 years in my home until the day she died.

Now that she is gone, although I have family, I don’t have the steadiness and friendship of my mom and I don’t know what I’ll do without her to talk with. I could have talked with my mom about this.

I have good friends, all liberal, who are wonderful and mostly liberal coworkers for venting so that is good.

I feel like I need to do an intervention. Don’t know how far they’ll take this behavior. But you need to meet people where they are.

But I’ll bounce all of this off of a therapist once I find a good one.

Thank you so much for this encouraging thread. I’ve wanted to post the subreddits too but wasn’t sure when would be the right time, and now some kind people posted all the good subreddits!

I think everybody needs to stick together. This is a very helpful discussion in this thread, because the Q anon thing is offensive and socially isolating. It’s just so upsetting to see family members becoming involved. It’s even more disturbing to see educated people falling for it.

Yes, I feel the same, R51. And your words are encouraging, too.

Index of resources and advice from users at QAnonCasualties

[quote]"Some of the wealthiest people in America—in Silicon Valley, New York, and beyond—are getting ready for the crackup of civilization."

Yes. Which they had a lot of input in causing.

I love when people bring up the techno-libertarians because I can share this compilation of libertarian paradise attempts. LOL.

Why are doomsday peeps always right-wing? I had a close friend from work who was the most right-wing person I’ve known, & she & her husband were rabid Y2K believers. They had an arsenal of weapons, bought a wood burning stove, tons of food rations (the ones that come in those gigantic buckets), withdrew all their retirement money/401ks at a huge loss, & planned to board up their house when doomsday (never) hit. They said my mother & I could hunker down with them, but my sister & her husband weren’t invited. I tried to talk sense into her but to no avail. After New Year’s she repaid her retirement withdrawals but lost a ton, & had to throw out all that food. So senseless.

R56 Did she know that those food rations (that come in buckets) can last up to 25 years if properly stored?

Damn, that is a little treasure trove of stupid r55.

[quote] Free Town Project

[quote] A group of libertarian activists attempted to take over the tiny town of Grafton, New Hampshire and transform it into a monument for libertarian ideals. The founders of what would become the Free Town Project drove around the New England countryside in a van “fortified by alcohol, tobacco and firearms" while searching for their paradise.[34] In addition to attracting a fair number of cranks and kooks, civic institutions were gutted, and the town was overrun by aggressive black bears feeding off unsecured food and improperly-discarded garbage.[35] Because not even the most basic common public services were supported (to the point that the town's single police officer didn't have the money to repair his patrol car), the residents of Grafton were literally left on their own to deal with the bear problem individually.[36] The town also enjoyed a sudden influx of sex offenders, a budget shortfall compounded by numerous lawsuits filed by libertarians, and the first homicide in living memory.[37] What a paradise!

The hippie back-to-the-land movement was the left version, which

[quote]Hippies were never immune to reactionary views. A lot of this goes all the way back to the Romantic movement, which also gave us the literal Nazis. This doesn't mean hippies=Nazis. It just means there are common roots. (more at link)

Nowadays, the crystal woo yoga moms are big converts; they're called Pastel QAnons.

Well R58 it still sounds better than Detroit.

Oh, yeah, r58! Bunch of (mostly) white dudes draw bears and guess who gets attacked? A couple women, one of whom was an elderly wheelchair-bound lady inside her own damn house. There's a book about the whole stupid, selfish takeover.

I’m watching friends fall into this. None of them handle change well and talk about the past wearing rose colored glasses.

One is severely overweight and won’t leave her house for fear of Covid, but won’t get a vaccine.

Another drove his wife away with his overdramatic political opinions.

Super happy bunch.

Most of the poorer people who do this are mentally ill and are medicating themselves with essential oils and conspiracy theories that assure them that they will finally be proved right about it all!! The rest of the poors are religious kooks who pray regularly for The Rapture so they can watch their enemies suffer untold pain from the glory and comfort of their Eternal Reward, at the right hard of God.

The billionaires who are doing this are bored, have money to burn, and enjoy the status of having a personalized fallout shelter. In their jaded lives, they are running out of exciting stuff (see also, wasting money on trips on rocket ships and having island-sized mega yachts) to waste their cash on and this is the new trend.

Both groups are totally fucked up and avoiding reality by LARPing, just for different reasons.

*right hand of God

Sorry about the typo, big guy!

OP, you are a constant source of threads like this. I’m no longer viewing you with skepticism. I’m full on eyeballing your ass. What’s your agenda, missy??

What do you think it is R65?

[quote]The billionaires who are doing this are bored, have money to burn, and enjoy the status of having a personalized fallout shelter. In their jaded lives, they are running out of exciting stuff (see also, wasting money on trips on rocket ships and having island-sized mega yachts) to waste their cash on and this is the new trend.

In their own way, they're just as scaredn as the poorer people prepping.

Deep down, I suspect those billionaires are just dreaming of a world where they get to shoot and kill miserable and desperate poors with complete impunity. They can't quite admit it to themselves, but it's always been the chief appeal of apocalyptic scenarios for a certain kind of rich gun nut.

You people need to read up. on Agenda 2030. And the WEF.

OP, What do you think of that Klaus Schwab quote??

Lol, Klaus Schwab

Let them do your grocery shopping, OP.

[quote]Deep down, I suspect those billionaires are just dreaming of a world where they get to shoot and kill miserable and desperate poors with complete impunity. They can't quite admit it to themselves, but it's always been the chief appeal of apocalyptic scenarios for a certain kind of rich gun nut.

I doubt those in the article are "gun nuts" or have any desire to kill others. Oh please.

I think they're just aware of the times we live in and simply want to save their ass.

....

Nope, it's glibertarian gun nuts loving this shit cause they finally get to live in the real life video game they've always dreamed of r72.

I live in the South where the winters are short, fresh water is abundant, and fish and kudzu are readily available. I also theoretically know how to process acorns and pokeweed into edible dishes. So food shortages aren't that big of a worry of mine even in the event of societal collapse, though belligerent gun nuts looking for any excuse to open fire on someone are rather more of one.

[quote]Nope, it's glibertarian gun nuts loving this shit cause they finally get to live in the real life video game they've always dreamed of

You don't know what you are talking about. From CNN "Many of the world's elite, including hedge fund managers, sports stars and tech executives (Bill Gates is rumored to have bunkers at all his properties) have chosen to design their own secret shelters to house their families and staff."

Hedge fund managers, sports stars, and tech executives seem like exactly the kind of people who want to start hunting people for sport. Wonder if Dick Cheney is planning on it, since he's probably 90% cyborg already.

R65, you are a toxic bore. Stay the hell off my threads if they bother you so.

[quote]Hedge fund managers, sports stars, and tech executives seem like exactly the kind of people who want to start hunting people for sport.

Gee...then I guess we really should be afraid of Bill Gates.

They are fearful because they listen to propaganda all day. They are the "mark" for all the Tucker Carlsons and other public air wave liars and internet fraudsters. I think a good option might be to agree on one news source that you can share together. It might a a local newspaper. Any intervention would involve getting them in front of some fact-based information sources. A single source to start like a newspaper or magazine where you discuss the content. Small facts that can inform their views a bit at a time may have a gradual effect. But you will have something to talk about.

You should be thankful that they didn't decide to break the law attempting to overthrow the country like so many nuts. But it took seeing the inside of a jail cell for some of those far right people to finally see they were being misled.

[quote]They are fearful because they listen to propaganda all day.

Yep, propaganda....

"This year, the Science and Security Board of the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists moves the hands of the Doomsday Clock forward. The Clock now stands at 90 seconds to midnight—the closest to global catastrophe it has ever been."

Note: the closest to global catastrophe it has ever been.

I have family like this, OP, and I see them as little as possible. I finally got mine to at least shut up about this kind of stuff by asking why, if they are such devout Christians, they want to prolong seeing Jesus as long as possible? Why would you fight so damn hard to stay alive on a hellscape planet when you could go to to Jesus in paradise?

I think right-wing Christian preppers at the core don't really have any faith. I think it's all bluster and lying to themselves.

I don't get people like this anyway. The only reason I fear some kind of apocolypse is because it leads to camping. Just kill me first. I want to be the first one to be bitten by zombies or get hit with a nuke or whatever. But I'm also not scared of death. Our families are such small, scared children. I don't really understand it either.

Here you go, OP. A fairly easy read on how skepticism of people like your family morphs into reality denialism when the propagandists claim to be just asking questions.. The Urban Dictionary calls this JAQing off.

[quote] Why are doomsday peeps always right-wing?

Because the right is made up of people who are fearful.

[quote]Why are doomsday peeps always right-wing?

There is link after link here proving you wrong.

Whenever they start their nonsense, pull out your Bible and suggest they read with you.

Has anyone else had the idea that "Q" might just be a Russian disinformation program that was too successful? .

Russian disinformation has a long history of getting out of control. It's been so successful they keep repackaging the same campaign over and over.

Okay, OP, mock them all ypu want but don't be knocking on their door begging for toilet paper and bread come the shortages.

Why go begging, R89? He could just wait for them to keel over from eating too much clay, drinking their own/one another's piss, or trying to cure an infection or cancer with essential oils and then scoop up all of the stuff they accumulated.

Work smarter, not harder brother!

Hands off the toilet paper!!!

So, what do you want? Accolades for being the sensible one? Just shut up.

Bill Gates is a real menance and he bought up a shit ton of American farmland. Has nothing to do with QAnon. Why do you think the media keeps going on about insects as a meat substitute.

"Why do you think the media keeps going on about insects as a meat substitute."

Keeps going on? Brother, WTF media are you consuming that they "keep going on" about chowing down on bugs? Maybe source better, yeah? I have only seen maybe two of those, total, and I'm a news freak.

[quote]Why do you think the media keeps going on about insects as a meat substitute.

Because they're cheaper to produce and have a much lower environmental footprint, all the being while healthier for you than red meat? And no, Bill Gates isn't buying up farmland in order to dominate the meat industry. Quite the opposite, actually.

These end day scenarios have everything to do with QAnon. These loons are still praying daily for Marshall[sic] law, so Trump takes over and us libs can be sent to prison barges around Gitmo to await public execution. No such person can be "quite pleasant otherwise", they're all sick people you need to cut out of your life immediately.

[quote]These end day scenarios have everything to do with QAnon.

Bullshit.

R96 I'm not trying to belittle anyone's fears about a nuclear apocalypse, as that possibility is certainly very real, and absolutely terrifying, yet even the least sensible preppers will admit that they're not actually realistically planning on surviving anything like that.

I don't think it's realistic to hope to survive, nor do I think it would be worth trying, as R82 said, though I personally love to camp, and backpack myself. Smaller catastrophes like natural disasters, or an extended period without power or water are what most sensible preppers plan for.

[quote] Bill Gates is a real menance and he bought up a shit ton of American farmland. Has nothing to do with QAnon. Why do you think the media keeps going on about insects as a meat substitute.

Oh, Dumbvida... Leave your shitty apartment in Vegas Chinatown for an hour and breathe in some fresh air.

[quote]I'm not trying to belittle anyone's fears about a nuclear apocalypse, as that possibility is certainly very real, and absolutely terrifying, yet even the least sensible preppers will admit that they're not actually realistically planning on surviving anything like that.

More bullshit. Have you conducted a survey?

[quote]I don't think it's realistic to hope to survive, nor do I think it would be worth trying

That's you.

R99 is all over this thread probably posting from his Idaho compound with "Turner Diaries" prominently displayed in the background. Or, maybe, it's just our sad, superannuated Vegas barmaid?

When you have no argument, you do what R100 does.

R99 No, it isn't "bullshit", as I've always been what I deem a "sensible prepper". Even when I lived in NYC, I had beans, a huge sack of rice, extra bottled water, crackers, biscuits, and pasta in my storage locker in the basement. I also follow a few preppers on YouTube, including the lesbian Prepper Princess.

She's one who has learnt her lessons the hard way, as regards too many "apocalypse buckets", and far too many dehydrated meals. As they began to go off, she began eating them, and said they were terrible... no flavour, and far too salty. Most people with some familiarity with this community understand MANY take it to extremes.

In the event of a nuclear attack, where do you honestly think you'll find non-radioactive contaminated food and water once your provisions run out? That's assuming you'd survive the initial blast and fallout. A big assumption on your part. There are far more logical and practical reasons why many people prep, rather than your constant fear-mongering over a nuclear strike.

OP, have you seen 'The Survivors' (1983)?

R98, ad hominem is the best you can do? You haven't refuted anything I've posted. Do better, bitch.