After a series of short hospital stays, former U.S. President Jimmy Carter today decided to spend his remaining time at home with his family and receive hospice care instead of additional medical intervention.
Jimmy Carter - sad last days
|by Anonymous||reply 600||May 24, 2023 5:04 PM|
Very sad, indeed.
|by Anonymous||reply 1||February 18, 2023 7:31 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 2||February 18, 2023 7:35 PM|
Too bad :( Far better guy than Reagan was.
|by Anonymous||reply 3||February 18, 2023 7:38 PM|
I was 18 years old and Carter was the 1st person I ever voted for to be the POTUS.
His funeral should be interesting.
They say he and Bill Clinton made-up, but somehow, I think negative feelings lingered.
|by Anonymous||reply 4||February 18, 2023 7:40 PM|
Why sad last days?
He's lived an amazing life of service, industry, faith, and goodness. Even with lust in his heart...
|by Anonymous||reply 5||February 18, 2023 7:41 PM|
Will Trump attend his funeral?
|by Anonymous||reply 6||February 18, 2023 7:42 PM|
R4 I think they did
|by Anonymous||reply 7||February 18, 2023 7:42 PM|
What's the beef between the Clintons and the Carters?
|by Anonymous||reply 8||February 18, 2023 7:43 PM|
Same, R4. Jimmy Carter was the first person I voted for President.
|by Anonymous||reply 9||February 18, 2023 7:44 PM|
There is no beef between the Clinton’s and the Carters. Good man winding down after a long life of service- with dignity.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||February 18, 2023 7:45 PM|
Watching the tension the Trumps have with the Clintons and the Obamas at the funeral should be amazing to watch. Grab the popcorn.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||February 18, 2023 7:46 PM|
Do they have to invite...that person?
|by Anonymous||reply 12||February 18, 2023 7:49 PM|
The first person I remember being president.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||February 18, 2023 7:51 PM|
Sad, I just saw this thread and I got a CNN news flash about President Carter now receiving hospice care.
Damn, what a fine, caring, compassionate man.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||February 18, 2023 7:51 PM|
[quote] I got a CNN news flash
Is it apparently official?
|by Anonymous||reply 15||February 18, 2023 7:53 PM|
[quote]There is no beef between the Clinton’s and the Carters.
Was there ever? If so, why?
|by Anonymous||reply 16||February 18, 2023 7:54 PM|
He wanted to get back home and bang with Roz one more time, the famous old issue of Playboy just to the left of her head.
I hope he rests in peace before her rests in peace. I expect he has been and will, since he's an engineer (realist) and also a Christian (faithful fabulist). The combination gave his best traits, and he followed through all his life. But such a brittle personality, too.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||February 18, 2023 7:54 PM|
Ugh. Always loved him.
|by Anonymous||reply 18||February 18, 2023 7:54 PM|
The Carter Clinton beef was about Arkansas, when Clinton was a 32 years old first-time governor.
Carter made the mistake of lecturing Fidel Castro on conditions in his prisons. He said if he freed them, they could come to the USA.
Well Castro called his bluff and proceeded to empty his prisons of those alleged to have committed the worst crimes. They had to be federally housed in Arkansas, pissing off Clinton to no end.
I think everybody got over it and let bygones be bygones, but I think there also was a tinge of there wasn't room for two Southern boys to be at the top of national politics.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||February 18, 2023 7:54 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 20||February 18, 2023 7:55 PM|
R15, FWIW, I get that.
I don’t know if everyone will.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||February 18, 2023 7:56 PM|
Thank you, r19. That’s interesting and I didn’t know that.
|by Anonymous||reply 22||February 18, 2023 7:57 PM|
He’s 98. His health, including his mind, has held up. He’s had a long, happy marriage. We should all be so lucky. We don’t live forever.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||February 18, 2023 7:57 PM|
It takes some courage to agree to that but it doesn't surprise me that he would choose hospice. They will keep him comfortable. But he doesn't receive his regular meds.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||February 18, 2023 7:58 PM|
He's 98. He had a good long life.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||February 18, 2023 7:59 PM|
His funeral has already been pre-planned by him, down to every detail. I wonder if he planned a Washington, DC service?
|by Anonymous||reply 26||February 18, 2023 8:02 PM|
Trump won't attend.
|by Anonymous||reply 27||February 18, 2023 8:04 PM|
The military pageantry should be something to see.
President Carter, like George Bush, was a military veteran.
He also had a doctorate in engineering.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||February 18, 2023 8:06 PM|
Yeah I don’t see trump attending unless the service is held at Mar a lago. On the golf green.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||February 18, 2023 8:07 PM|
[quote]Trump won't attend.
From your lips to God's ears.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||February 18, 2023 8:09 PM|
There are headlines on both the CNN and Nbcnews web sites.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||February 18, 2023 8:09 PM|
R19: Clinton on his last day in office pardoned financier Marc Rich. The pardon was widely criticized and was not recommended by the Justice Department. Carter called it disgraceful and said Clinton disgraced the Office of the President.
|by Anonymous||reply 32||February 18, 2023 8:09 PM|
I am proud I can call President Carter a (distant) cousin. You did well, sir.
|by Anonymous||reply 33||February 18, 2023 8:11 PM|
R31, bless your young heart.
You’re quite young.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||February 18, 2023 8:12 PM|
One of the few, truly good people to enter politics.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||February 18, 2023 8:13 PM|
[quote]There is no beef between the Clinton’s and the Carters.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||February 18, 2023 8:17 PM|
Hopefully, Carter has already asked Trump not to come to his funeral, like John McCain did.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||February 18, 2023 8:18 PM|
Sad to hear this. It will be most appropriate if they keep him alive until Monday, and then he died on President's Day. That would really piss Trump off.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||February 18, 2023 8:21 PM|
Maybe Roslyn can convince Pickles to run him over.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||February 18, 2023 8:21 PM|
6th cousins. Johannes Valentin Bressler should be proud.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||February 18, 2023 8:21 PM|
If there was ever a truly honest, decent man as POTUS, Jimmy Carter was that man, and probably the only one.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||February 18, 2023 8:22 PM|
Carter is right about tRump not being a legitimately elected president.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||February 18, 2023 8:24 PM|
[quote] Hopefully, Carter has already asked Trump not to come to his funeral, like John McCain did.
Even if he was invited, Trump would eat his own shit before he'd show up at the funeral of a democratic POTUS, or any other POTUS for that matter. He knows he's hated by everyone. He'd be terrified of being assassinated.
|by Anonymous||reply 43||February 18, 2023 8:24 PM|
I know some people can live a long time on hospice (I know someone who lived a year), but generally, it’s like a day or two right? Or maybe a week?
|by Anonymous||reply 44||February 18, 2023 8:24 PM|
[quote]The first person I remember being president.
Same here, R32. I was born in 1977, but I remember him being our president. He's a good man who has lived a good life, and I have always held a special place for him in my heart - it won't be easy saying goodbye.
Somewhat related, I inherited an unopened can of Billy Beer from my father.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||February 18, 2023 8:25 PM|
I dread the day we lose Jimmy Carter. Such a good man.
|by Anonymous||reply 46||February 18, 2023 8:26 PM|
Trump can't sit still long enough to sit for State funeral.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||February 18, 2023 8:26 PM|
Probably a week at most R44. Once a patient refuses liquids, death comes in a few days usually.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||February 18, 2023 8:26 PM|
[quote]He's lived an amazing life of service, industry, faith, and goodness. Even with lust in his heart...
Indeed; he was a prickly guy, full of piss & vinegar up until the end, but there's no doubt that he practiced what he preached & worked his entire life to help others. We should all live such a life
|by Anonymous||reply 49||February 18, 2023 8:26 PM|
They didn't just send Cuban prisoners to Arkansas. Many of those Cuban prisoners were housed at Atlanta Federal Penitentiary. They set the place on fire while they were there.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||February 18, 2023 8:27 PM|
Miss Lillian was my favorite Carter. That bitch didn't bow to anyone.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||February 18, 2023 8:28 PM|
[quote]Even if he was invited, Trump would eat his own shit before he'd show up at the funeral of a democratic POTUS, or any other POTUS for that matter.
Trump went to George Bush's funeral, even though Bush didn't like him.
|by Anonymous||reply 52||February 18, 2023 8:28 PM|
[quote] He also had a doctorate in engineering.
Pretty sure he didn’t. Maybe an honorary one?
|by Anonymous||reply 53||February 18, 2023 8:29 PM|
If nothing else, I am grateful that he held on through the Trump years so he could be honored with the funeral he deserves.
I hope he’s not in pain.
|by Anonymous||reply 54||February 18, 2023 8:30 PM|
He was what Christians profess to be — which is why so many "Christians" hated him. The so-called Moral Majority caught fire after Carter was elected, and we saw odious figures like Jerry Falwell move from pulpit to politics.
You've done well, sir.
|by Anonymous||reply 55||February 18, 2023 8:32 PM|
R44 For them to announce publicly he's on hospice care today, I think they are really telling the public he is at the evry end. He'll probably be dead by Sunday, Monday the latest (President's Day).
|by Anonymous||reply 56||February 18, 2023 8:32 PM|
I wonder how Fox will cover Carter's funeral, call him the failed 39th President? I wonder how they'll cover Trump's absence, ignore it?
|by Anonymous||reply 57||February 18, 2023 8:34 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 58||February 18, 2023 8:35 PM|
[quote] Trump went to George Bush's funeral, even though Bush didn't like him.
That was then. Things are far different for him now. He sees everyone as the enemy now.
|by Anonymous||reply 59||February 18, 2023 8:35 PM|
[quote]Hopefully, Carter has already asked Trump not to come to his funeral, like John McCain did.
Who does he think he is -- Naomi Judd?
|by Anonymous||reply 60||February 18, 2023 8:35 PM|
[quote]I hope he’s not in pain.
Don't you know what hospice is, R54? They stuff you full of pain meds if needed. The idea is to keep you comfortable.
|by Anonymous||reply 61||February 18, 2023 8:36 PM|
r39 Her name is ROSALYNN.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||February 18, 2023 8:37 PM|
I admire his (and Roslyn’s) legacy of service. I think they worked shoulder to shoulder with volunteers building homes with Habitat For Humanity into their 90’s.
My parents admire him but say that they really struggled during his presidency, with fuel shortages and high interest rates.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||February 18, 2023 8:37 PM|
Pres. Carter's only degree was a BS from the Naval Academy.
|by Anonymous||reply 64||February 18, 2023 8:37 PM|
They'll give him the "special dose" in the 'fridge on Monday.
|by Anonymous||reply 65||February 18, 2023 8:37 PM|
I'm sure Trump would love to attend and speak like he did at Diamond's service.
|by Anonymous||reply 66||February 18, 2023 8:38 PM|
[quote] Trump went to George Bush's funeral
Yeah, but that was in 2018, and it was the funeral of a former Repub president in DC at the National Cathedral. They made him attend, even though I’m sure that absolutely didn’t want to. There’s no way that tub of lard is leaving Mar-A-Lardo for the funeral of someone who didn’t care for him.
I really can’t imagine him going. He knows that everyone there HATES and despises him.
|by Anonymous||reply 67||February 18, 2023 8:38 PM|
r63, see r62.
|by Anonymous||reply 68||February 18, 2023 8:39 PM|
Carter is BEGINNING hospice care, that doesn't mean he's going to go this weekend. In hospice they expect one to expire within 90 days - that's 3 months.
|by Anonymous||reply 69||February 18, 2023 8:39 PM|
My mom was in hospice for less than a week (before she died).
I think he'll die soon. RIP.
|by Anonymous||reply 70||February 18, 2023 8:39 PM|
Oh, thanks, R62.
Roslyn is a town on Long Island, I think.
|by Anonymous||reply 71||February 18, 2023 8:39 PM|
Carter has lived a long, productive life but the news is still is sad. What is even sadder --- A thread talking about Carter receiving hospice has to include irrelevant comments about Trump. Who gives a DAMN about whether Trump comes to the funeral?? This thread should be about CARTER.
|by Anonymous||reply 72||February 18, 2023 8:39 PM|
[quote]I wonder how Fox will cover Carter's funeral, call him the failed 39th President?
Happening now, the state funeral of Jimmy Carter, the Democrat who led America to disaster in the 1970s. More on that later, but now we address the question on everyone's mind: can senile, doddering Joe Biden be far behind? Joining me now is Dr. Mehmet Oz and Dr. Phil McGraw, along with best-selling author Ann Coulter, for expert commentary and discussion on the pending death of President Biden.
|by Anonymous||reply 73||February 18, 2023 8:42 PM|
R72 = new to the Datalounge.
I wonder how many newscasters will pronounce Mrs Carter's first name ROZ-LYNN instead of ROSE-LYNN.
|by Anonymous||reply 74||February 18, 2023 8:42 PM|
Yes, it should be, R72.
Alas, such is Dump's insane narcissism that he intrudes on many a subject. And he will until he's either in prison or deceased.
|by Anonymous||reply 75||February 18, 2023 8:42 PM|
Enjoy your last days....
|by Anonymous||reply 76||February 18, 2023 8:43 PM|
Most President's funerals start in DC. Lying in State at the Capitol Rotunda for a day and then a funeral at the National Cathedral. Then flown to their home for burial. Biden will probably offer Air Force One.
|by Anonymous||reply 77||February 18, 2023 8:43 PM|
He and Rosalynn were married for more than 75 years. I don’t know you could call that anything but winning.
|by Anonymous||reply 78||February 18, 2023 8:45 PM|
Although, knowing what we know of him, I won’t be surprised if he requested a simple funeral.
Since the founding of Brooks Brothers, they’ve clothed every single President save for two:
-Reagan, who wanted to keep working with his Hollywood wardrobe people.
-Carter, who bought off the rack.
If that doesn’t tell you what kind of a man he is…
|by Anonymous||reply 79||February 18, 2023 8:47 PM|
JIMMY CARTER shakes hands w EVERY passenger on plane.
|by Anonymous||reply 80||February 18, 2023 8:48 PM|
He was the first president I voted for who won.
|by Anonymous||reply 81||February 18, 2023 8:49 PM|
[quote]Even if he was invited, Trump would eat his own shit before he'd show up at the funeral of a democratic POTUS
Here's hoping he does.
And that there's video.
|by Anonymous||reply 82||February 18, 2023 8:49 PM|
[quote]Who gives a DAMN about whether Trump comes to the funeral??
Everyone at the funeral will care whether Trump shows up or not.
|by Anonymous||reply 83||February 18, 2023 8:50 PM|
He got a bachelor of science degree from the Naval Academy. He served in the Navy for about 7 years. He left active duty to take over the peanut farm when his father died.
|by Anonymous||reply 84||February 18, 2023 8:51 PM|
[quote] He was the first president I voted for who won.
Who was the first president you voted for who lost?
|by Anonymous||reply 85||February 18, 2023 8:53 PM|
God, I wish he'd been re-elected instead of that son-of-a-bitch Reagan being elected. I say this knowing that people think he was a failure as a president and he does comes off as rather weak In Stuart Eizenstat's book "President Carter".
Did you know that he predicted while deciding whether or not the Shah could come to the U.S. for medical treatment that hostages would be taken from the U.S. embassy in Iran if he allowed his admission? (1950's actions coming back to bite the U.S. in the ass) (see Eizenstat)
I view Reagan's election as ruinous and the beginning of a downhill slide for the U.S.
|by Anonymous||reply 86||February 18, 2023 8:53 PM|
R79, how is Brooks Brothers not off the rack? Or did Brooks Brothers make custom suits for VIP customers?
|by Anonymous||reply 87||February 18, 2023 8:58 PM|
[quote] My parents admire him but say that they really struggled during his presidency, with fuel shortages and high interest rates.
I wouldn't whitewash conditions in the U.S. in the 1970s but I still feel the same way about Reagan ever being elected.
|by Anonymous||reply 88||February 18, 2023 9:01 PM|
Didn't he admit he was wrong about us gays? I seem to remember that -- his thinking evolved, as they say, and he admitted he was wrong to condemn us.
|by Anonymous||reply 89||February 18, 2023 9:02 PM|
R86 I’m younger but remember that period the very same way. I think the Iran hostage crisis was only settled after Carter left office. I remember a lot of wild enthusiasm over Reagan and his economic plan. During his campaign for a second term, school friends bought Reagan Halloween masks and chanted “Four More Years!”.
But I think his Tory has redeemed Carter and will look favorably on him as a leader and as an ethical presence. I hope so.
I think the “downhill slide” you mean includes a lot of smirking jerk pundits like Peggy Noonan, “compassionate conservatives”, thousand points of light. It’s all pretty yucky.
|by Anonymous||reply 90||February 18, 2023 9:02 PM|
Would be fitting if he died on Presidents’ Day
|by Anonymous||reply 91||February 18, 2023 9:02 PM|
[quote] his Tory
|by Anonymous||reply 92||February 18, 2023 9:04 PM|
Why hasn’t the old guy asked for my hourly rate to make a Presidential Appearance at the funeral?
|by Anonymous||reply 93||February 18, 2023 9:05 PM|
R92 Ooh, shit. That’s meant to spell “history”. But that’s a freaky pun.
|by Anonymous||reply 94||February 18, 2023 9:06 PM|
[quote]Or did Brooks Brothers make custom suits for VIP customers?
For the President, r87? What do you think? Also my brother used to work at Sears in D.C. and Roslyn shopped there...well, at least once...but as I remember, it was a few times.
|by Anonymous||reply 95||February 18, 2023 9:07 PM|
[quote]and Roslyn shopped there
|by Anonymous||reply 96||February 18, 2023 9:07 PM|
[quote] [R79], how is Brooks Brothers not off the rack? Or did Brooks Brothers make custom suits for VIP customers?
Clothing the President is (typically) a bespoke kind of thing.
Meanwhile, before they tightened up security on former presidents, Jimmy and Rosalynn loved going on Royal Caribbean cruises. I’ve heard stories about women who went to exercise classes beside Rosalynn. And she christened at least one of their ships.
|by Anonymous||reply 97||February 18, 2023 9:10 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 98||February 18, 2023 9:11 PM|
^ for R96
|by Anonymous||reply 99||February 18, 2023 9:12 PM|
Brooks Brothers website says they did custom tailoring for Lincoln (tall) and Roosevelt (fat).
|by Anonymous||reply 100||February 18, 2023 9:13 PM|
Another opportunity for me to play footsie with Michelle Obama at a funeral.
|by Anonymous||reply 101||February 18, 2023 9:15 PM|
I was at the Carter Museum today. He accomplished so much. Such a peaceful place. It moved me to tears a few times. Now I am really crying.
|by Anonymous||reply 102||February 18, 2023 9:17 PM|
R95 Who's Roslyn?
|by Anonymous||reply 103||February 18, 2023 9:19 PM|
What a good man. Very rare these days. Just a sad day for America.
|by Anonymous||reply 104||February 18, 2023 9:20 PM|
Until recently, Jimmy Carter was Van Jones’ uncle by marriage.
Van was married to Billy Carter’s daughter and had children with her.
|by Anonymous||reply 105||February 18, 2023 9:24 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 106||February 18, 2023 9:26 PM|
[quote] Or did Brooks Brothers make custom suits for VIP customers?
Brooks Brothers still custom makes suits for anyone willing to pay for them, and I doubt that off-the-rack was a thing there all the way from 1818.
|by Anonymous||reply 107||February 18, 2023 9:27 PM|
Rosalynn Sorry, r96 and r103, I had Long Island on my mind.
|by Anonymous||reply 108||February 18, 2023 9:29 PM|
I love Jimmy, but God help me, I'm excited for the Larry King thread.
|by Anonymous||reply 109||February 18, 2023 9:34 PM|
Former First Lady, Dixie, r109...
|by Anonymous||reply 110||February 18, 2023 9:39 PM|
“Rosalyn, how is Miss Lillian handling the news about her son.”
|by Anonymous||reply 111||February 18, 2023 9:40 PM|
Pres. Carter only had one degree. A BS from the Naval Academy.
|by Anonymous||reply 112||February 18, 2023 9:41 PM|
This misspelling of Rosalynn sounds very serious.
|by Anonymous||reply 113||February 18, 2023 9:43 PM|
R112, are you also R64?
|by Anonymous||reply 114||February 18, 2023 9:44 PM|
He is 98 years old and counting. Out of all the US presidents since 1900, his was a life best lived.
|by Anonymous||reply 115||February 18, 2023 9:45 PM|
Thanks for the scoop, Cronkite at r112.
|by Anonymous||reply 116||February 18, 2023 9:46 PM|
It’s an interesting quirk of history that it’s now been more than 50 years since a Democratic president has died.
|by Anonymous||reply 117||February 18, 2023 9:46 PM|
R108, you’re cute enough to get a pass from me for your transgression.
|by Anonymous||reply 118||February 18, 2023 9:46 PM|
One of the worst presidents ever. Well intentioned but so supremely self-righteous he confused his roles of President and Commander in Chief with Sainthood. Leading a major power requires more flexibility.
The fall of the Shaw lands right on Carter's refusal to allow him or his generals to defend the throne. This gave the Ayatollahs an easy target with the result decades of Middle Eastern wars that have killed multiple millions. and are nowhere near the end.
Not to mention Iranian missiles to Putin.
|by Anonymous||reply 119||February 18, 2023 9:47 PM|
[quote]Who was the first president you voted for who lost?
William Jennings Bryan
|by Anonymous||reply 120||February 18, 2023 9:48 PM|
To follow-up on R19’s post, Clinton always blamed Carter for his 1980 re-election bid.
|by Anonymous||reply 121||February 18, 2023 9:48 PM|
I wonder what his response to the AIDS crises would have been if he’d been re-elected from 1980-1984? We know Reagan chose to ignore it.
|by Anonymous||reply 122||February 18, 2023 9:48 PM|
Per his biographer, Jonathan Alter, Carter’s been blind for several years now.
|by Anonymous||reply 123||February 18, 2023 9:49 PM|
Like all good Georgians of the day, I imagine Pres. Carter and Mrs. Carter bought many of their clothes from Rich's in Atlanta, and whatever clothing stores they had at the time in Plains.
|by Anonymous||reply 124||February 18, 2023 9:50 PM|
[quote] The fall of the Shaw
|by Anonymous||reply 125||February 18, 2023 9:53 PM|
The daughter of a good friend of mine worked for years at the Carter Presidential Library. She said Pres. Carter was not a man who put up with slackers. He hated to see people sitting around doing nothing while being paid.
I also remember reading many years ago that while he was POTUS he encountered 2 Secret Service agents somewhere in the White House just standing around gabbing. Pres. Carter walked up to them and said "don't you two have anything to do?". LOL
|by Anonymous||reply 126||February 18, 2023 9:54 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 127||February 18, 2023 9:54 PM|
I hope Mrs. Carter is well enough to attend the funeral.
|by Anonymous||reply 128||February 18, 2023 9:55 PM|
[quote] Raymond Shaw?
No, Robert Shaw. That damn shark ate his ass.
|by Anonymous||reply 129||February 18, 2023 9:55 PM|
[quote]The fall of the Shaw
No, Robert Shaw. And his downfall was the shark.
|by Anonymous||reply 130||February 18, 2023 9:56 PM|
Damn you, r129! You beat me by seconds. I NEVER should’ve added the YT link.
|by Anonymous||reply 131||February 18, 2023 9:56 PM|
Taro, Caro, Salamond!
|by Anonymous||reply 132||February 18, 2023 9:57 PM|
yeah yeah yeah. I caught Shaw on rereading but you can't edit this lousy software :)
|by Anonymous||reply 133||February 18, 2023 9:59 PM|
He’s lived so long because God doesn’t want Carter up there with him being all holier-than-thou.
|by Anonymous||reply 134||February 18, 2023 10:00 PM|
If anyone deserves to go to Heaven, it is Jimmy Carter.
|by Anonymous||reply 135||February 18, 2023 10:00 PM|
Son Jeff. JFK, Jr., he was not.
|by Anonymous||reply 136||February 18, 2023 10:01 PM|
R119, horseshit. If we don't turn into a fundy theocracy, history will judge him as one of our best presidents. He told corporatists to fuck off, the trilateral commission to get bent and America fired no shots which pissed off the military industrial complex. They repaid the favor with a constant spewing of propaganda that idiots lick up like a dog on cat shit.
|by Anonymous||reply 137||February 18, 2023 10:04 PM|
[quote] you can't edit this lousy software
If you read your fucking, boring posts before you hit the "Post" key, you wouldn't need the cunting edit feature.
I've had it up to here with you dreary bitches.
|by Anonymous||reply 138||February 18, 2023 10:04 PM|
Sad day that this man is dying while that evil cunt Kissinger still lives and breathes
|by Anonymous||reply 139||February 18, 2023 10:06 PM|
Poor Jeff Carter didn't get one iota better looking as he aged.
|by Anonymous||reply 140||February 18, 2023 10:07 PM|
Seeing as POTUS Carter practically called Trump a traitor and said he was with Putin, and was not legitimately elected, and similar comments at various times...I don't think Trump will attend. It will be in Georgia, and Kemp, the governor is no friend of Trump. Neither is the newly re-elected Secretary of State Raffensperger. Hell, Trump may be dodging a warrant for his arrest. I suspect President Biden will ask that he travel to D.C. to lie in state, at the Capitol, and a service, then return to Georgia. I suspect the main religious service, the funeral will be in Atlanta, and then internment in Plains. I think it will be a day of great preaching and a celebration of a life well lived. I do wonder how Rosalyn will deal without Jimmy. I don't expect her to last too much longer.
|by Anonymous||reply 141||February 18, 2023 10:08 PM|
[quote]I don't think Trump will attend.
Depends on the spread the widow puts out.
|by Anonymous||reply 142||February 18, 2023 10:11 PM|
R6 I hope they ban Trump from attending. Jimmy Carter might be the most moral president we have ever had.
|by Anonymous||reply 143||February 18, 2023 10:13 PM|
He's a goner. Soon.
|by Anonymous||reply 144||February 18, 2023 10:20 PM|
R144 No shit, Sherlock
|by Anonymous||reply 145||February 18, 2023 10:25 PM|
R126 LOL LOL LOL
|by Anonymous||reply 146||February 18, 2023 10:25 PM|
OP, actually the National Enquirer headlines (which the Datalounge meme of your headline comes from) always read "Sad Final Days," not "Sad Last Days."
|by Anonymous||reply 147||February 18, 2023 10:26 PM|
I remember his family , his Mom Miss Lillian and the drunken brother Billy. Jimmy Carter is proof you can both embrace and live beyond your cultural stereotypes. He wa my first presidential election that I participated in as well.
|by Anonymous||reply 148||February 18, 2023 10:27 PM|
The Carters still live in the same house they built 73 years ago.
|by Anonymous||reply 149||February 18, 2023 10:27 PM|
[quote] The Carters still live in the same house they built 73 years ago.
That is certainly a habitat for humanity, tasteful friends.
|by Anonymous||reply 150||February 18, 2023 10:30 PM|
I'm old enough to remember when Carter was President and the Democratic NorthEast establishment attacked him relentlessly. He was some Southern hick and all the mighty powerful Dems were embarrassed by him. So Teddy Kennedy primaried him because of course, the Democratic establishment belonged to the Kennedys. And we ended up with Reagan. I think the Dems actually preferred Reagan because he didn't have a Southern accent. They were so relieved when midget Dukakis from Boston got nominated. Same thing happened with Bill Clinton who is no doubt the smartest President we've ever had, whatever his record. He was constantly being ridiculed with his dumbass Southern accent. During his first campaign when he beat the Dem establishment's Chosen One Tsongas (remember him? nobody does), the liberal media was ripping Clinton to bits more than the Republicans did.
This is why the Democratic Party is incapable of making in-roads in the South: it's still run by a bunch of elderly Northern elitists and if you're not from NY, Boston or California, you're nobody.
|by Anonymous||reply 151||February 18, 2023 10:40 PM|
Also, my first presidential vote, although I didn't like him. Didn't like him any better during his presidency & supported Ted Kennedy in '80. But I ended up volunteering for him on election day.
|by Anonymous||reply 152||February 18, 2023 10:40 PM|
Perhaps not the right man for the specific time and/or specific battles, but a great statesman nonetheless and the most moral President we have had, or will ever have.
|by Anonymous||reply 153||February 18, 2023 10:45 PM|
If there is a christian god, I am thankful that Carter will be passing while Biden is President.
The thought that a corrupt, filthy, evil man like Trump could be there makes me sick to my stomach.
May flights of angels sing thee to thy rest.
|by Anonymous||reply 154||February 18, 2023 10:45 PM|
[quote] Same thing happened with Bill Clinton who is no doubt the smartest President we've ever had, whatever his record.
Smarter than Lincoln and FDR? No.
|by Anonymous||reply 155||February 18, 2023 10:48 PM|
As to whether Trump would attend, I don't think his presence at the Bush funeral sets a precedence. Trump was president at the time, so he was pretty much obligated to attend.
|by Anonymous||reply 156||February 18, 2023 10:48 PM|
The Dems are going to need another Carter or LBJ. soon but the limousine libs won’t allow it.
|by Anonymous||reply 157||February 18, 2023 10:48 PM|
I’ve never heard anyone else say Bill Clinton was the smartest POTUS. Was he dumb like George the 2nd? Far from it.
|by Anonymous||reply 158||February 18, 2023 10:51 PM|
[quote] Smarter than Lincoln and FDR? No.
FDR?!? He was famously said to have a "second-class intellect." With "a first-class temperament."
|by Anonymous||reply 159||February 18, 2023 10:52 PM|
Not a good president but he's a great man. My aunt worked building houses with Carter for Habitat for Humanity in Georgia.
And why are people bringing Trump into this thread? I swear some of you need to seek psychiatric help for your obsession with Trump.
|by Anonymous||reply 160||February 18, 2023 10:53 PM|
The only president who seems like a decent person and not like a sociopath. He will be missed but he’s lived a long and great life.
|by Anonymous||reply 161||February 18, 2023 10:53 PM|
[quote] And why are people bringing Trump into this thread? I swear some of you need to seek psychiatric help for your obsession with Trump.
Especially since, in shame, he's gone into voluntary exile from public life.
|by Anonymous||reply 162||February 18, 2023 10:55 PM|
[quote]And why are people bringing Trump into this thread?
Ask Meghan McCain about her father's funeral.
|by Anonymous||reply 163||February 18, 2023 10:56 PM|
He was the best post-presidency statesman this country has ever seen. A truly humble man with generosity of spirit. Godspeed Mr. Carter.
|by Anonymous||reply 164||February 18, 2023 10:56 PM|
[quote] And why are people bringing Trump into this thread?
Yeah, it's not like we're talking about another fellow former president, a most exclusive club.
|by Anonymous||reply 165||February 18, 2023 10:57 PM|
His mother Lillian said: "When I look at my children, I say to myself, Lillian you should have remained a virgin." She also said, I" love all my children, but some of them I don't like." I also heard she said to Jimmy when He told her they wanted him to run for President, she said, President of what?
You do the math. Guess ole' Jimmy wasn't all that. Truth in Jest & all.
|by Anonymous||reply 166||February 18, 2023 10:58 PM|
"He could not attend President Biden’s inauguration in January 2021, when former presidents traditionally convene, but Mr. Biden made a pilgrimage to Plains in April of that year to pay his respects, the first sitting president to visit Mr. Carter at his Georgia home."
Aww, that's class move, President Biden.
I'll come to you. You don't have to come to me.
|by Anonymous||reply 167||February 18, 2023 10:59 PM|
One of the best presidents we’ve ever had.
|by Anonymous||reply 168||February 18, 2023 10:59 PM|
[quote]And why are people bringing Trump into this thread? I swear some of you need to seek psychiatric help for your obsession with Trump.
It's a tradition that former Presidents attend the funerals of fellow Presidents. Why do you think it's obsessive to bring him into the conversation, r160? Jimmy was outspoken on Trump so he's very much germane to this discussion.
|by Anonymous||reply 169||February 18, 2023 11:01 PM|
One of three future presidents to appear on WML.
|by Anonymous||reply 170||February 18, 2023 11:03 PM|
R137, may ask your age? It's 42 years after Jimmy Carter's presidency, and history should have already have made its favorable judgement. It hasn't.
|by Anonymous||reply 171||February 18, 2023 11:04 PM|
I like Carter, but was pissed when under his administration they brought back Selective Service registration. Afghanistan and Russian bullshit way back then.
Also, the hostages in Iran were I think released the same day Reagan was sworn in and Carter was out. A coincidence? Hmm.
|by Anonymous||reply 172||February 18, 2023 11:04 PM|
President Carter had solar panels installed on the White House. Reagan immediately had the panels removed. Class vs trash.
|by Anonymous||reply 173||February 18, 2023 11:05 PM|
Son Jeff at R160 looks even more like Eleanor Roosevelt than his father does.
|by Anonymous||reply 174||February 18, 2023 11:05 PM|
No coincidence, r173. A republican grift.
|by Anonymous||reply 175||February 18, 2023 11:07 PM|
Jimmy Carter is a remarkable human being.
|by Anonymous||reply 176||February 18, 2023 11:08 PM|
[quote]Not a good president but he's a great man
That about sums it up.
|by Anonymous||reply 177||February 18, 2023 11:08 PM|
At 18 I campaigned for and cast my first presidential vote for Jimmy . Never regretted it.
|by Anonymous||reply 178||February 18, 2023 11:09 PM|
Tots & Pears
|by Anonymous||reply 179||February 18, 2023 11:10 PM|
The only way Trump could make this about himself is if he were to drop dead. I’d pay attention.
My memory of Carter was that I voted for him in 3rd grade class against a Lutheran majority when the Weekly Reader featured his photo. I wrote a letter and The White House responded with an awesome form letter.
|by Anonymous||reply 180||February 18, 2023 11:11 PM|
[quote] Also, the hostages in Iran were I think released the same day Reagan was sworn in and Carter was out. A coincidence? Hmm
It was all out of spite on the part of the Iranians. It was no endorsement of Reagan.
|by Anonymous||reply 181||February 18, 2023 11:11 PM|
Sorry to hear that his time on earth is coming to an end, but it was a long life, well lived. We need more people like him. A truly good person.
|by Anonymous||reply 182||February 18, 2023 11:11 PM|
He signed legislation that let millions of Vietnamese refugees resettle in the States. A humanitarian.
|by Anonymous||reply 183||February 18, 2023 11:14 PM|
After his presidency ended, President Carter wrote poetry and volunteered to build homes for low income Americans. A CLASS ACT. DIGNITY.
|by Anonymous||reply 184||February 18, 2023 11:15 PM|
Maybe Fanni Willis has a subpoena ready to have served if Trump tries to enter Georgia.
|by Anonymous||reply 185||February 18, 2023 11:15 PM|
Well, after what's his name lost the election, he fomented a terrorist attack against Americans, ran off with classified documents and had one of his baby mamas buried in a golf course. In New Jersey.
|by Anonymous||reply 186||February 18, 2023 11:29 PM|
Me too. I was in college and voted by absentee ballot.
|by Anonymous||reply 187||February 18, 2023 11:29 PM|
[quote] released the same day Reagan was sworn in and Carter was out. A coincidence? Hmm.
No coincidence at all. Just a well timed final humiliating slap to the face of the man they saw as a weakling
|by Anonymous||reply 188||February 18, 2023 11:31 PM|
Disastrously unlucky president. Brilliant ex-President. Fine human being.
|by Anonymous||reply 189||February 18, 2023 11:31 PM|
I'm interested in body language and the way the former POTUSes and FLOTUSes interact with each other. I don't think Trump and Melania will show up. He knows nobody likes him (not even Bush the 2nd). Whenever Trump is around, people interact with each other and ignore him. As foul and toxic as Trump is, I think he's sensitive to being iced out. Do I care about his feelings? No.
|by Anonymous||reply 190||February 18, 2023 11:34 PM|
So the Clintons, The Bushes, and the Obamas will attend.
I think there's a chance that Jimmy wrote out his own sermon for the day.
|by Anonymous||reply 191||February 18, 2023 11:35 PM|
When did we last see Amy Carter in public?
|by Anonymous||reply 192||February 18, 2023 11:37 PM|
[quote] When did we last see Amy Carter in public?
With or without a bag over her head?
|by Anonymous||reply 193||February 18, 2023 11:40 PM|
[quote] He knows nobody likes him (not even Bush the 2nd).
He detests Trump.
|by Anonymous||reply 194||February 18, 2023 11:40 PM|
I remember being in grade school & being forced to watch the Ford & Carter debate in '76 & I supported Carter.
I also remember being in middle school & being forced to watch the Carter & Regan debate in '80. I was so scared of Reagan. I thought of him as a mean guy & hoped he would lose but it wasn't meant to be.
Carter's AIDS policy would've been a million times better because he would've mentioned the disease & not laughed in public over an AIDS joke like RR did.
|by Anonymous||reply 195||February 18, 2023 11:41 PM|
Mika Brzezinski. whose father was Carter's national security advisor, was a childhood friend of Amy's.
|by Anonymous||reply 196||February 18, 2023 11:43 PM|
Jimmy Carter, at 98 the oldest living former president, has chosen to spend his final days at home in Plains, Ga., in hospice care after a series of brief hospital stays, the Carter Center announced Saturday.
Carter “has the full support of his family and his medical team,” the center’s statement said of the decision made by the onetime peanut farmer and engineer who rose to become the United States’ 39th president for one term from 1977 to 1981.
Carter has overcome serious health problems, including in 2015 when he was diagnosed with melanoma that had spread to his liver and brain. After treatment, doctors said he defied the odds, and Carter announced later that year that he was cancer-free.
Saturday’s announcement from the Atlanta-based Carter Center did not specify whether his cancer had returned or whether another health condition prompted his decision that he was ready for hospice rather than continuing medical care.
Jason Carter, a grandson, wrote on Twitter late Saturday afternoon: “I saw both of my grandparents yesterday. They are at peace and — as always — their home is full of love.” He thanked well-wishers “for all your kind words.”
Friends and others close to the family have said Carter’s health has been in gradual decline in recent months. He now uses a wheelchair to get around, while his wife, Rosalynn, 95, uses a walker. In recent weeks, Carter has asked to get out and about in Plains, and the two have gone for car rides, driven by their Secret Service detail.
Hospice is a form of care for people near the end of life and largely is intended to make patients comfortable and provide support to them and their families once they have chosen to suspend treatment. Hospice typically accepts patients if they are expected to live no more than six months, but some people survive significantly longer.
|by Anonymous||reply 197||February 18, 2023 11:46 PM|
A peanut farmer has less status than a b actress. Reagan started the decline of America with his low class bs.
|by Anonymous||reply 198||February 18, 2023 11:50 PM|
No one acknowledges that because of Carter's decision, men over 18 had to sign up, or maybe not, sign up for a possible draft? At least they didn't bring it back. This was only like 5 years after they had stopped doing so after the Vietnam War ended. Kinda sucked.
I liked him otherwise - nice, smart man generally. Crap going on in the Middle East which probably benefitted Republicans ended his bid for re-election and made him seem ineffective. Probably the best and most effective ex-President ever, doing so much good work with things like Habitat for Humanity.
|by Anonymous||reply 199||February 18, 2023 11:50 PM|
So he won't be dying fighting an oil rig fire in the Gulf of Mexico?
|by Anonymous||reply 200||February 18, 2023 11:51 PM|
[quote] No one acknowledges that because of Carter's decision, men over 18 had to sign up, or maybe not, sign up for a possible draft?
|by Anonymous||reply 201||February 18, 2023 11:53 PM|
If Trump had any sense (which he doesn't), he'd want to attend and appear alongside the other dignitaries.
I guarantee every other living President and representatives of the other families will attend.
|by Anonymous||reply 202||February 18, 2023 11:54 PM|
Could still happen, Rose @ r200.
|by Anonymous||reply 203||February 18, 2023 11:54 PM|
Trump is closer R200.
|by Anonymous||reply 204||February 18, 2023 11:55 PM|
I will forever blame him for the Iranian Revolution because he could have prevented Khomeini taking over and plunging the country back to the middle ages, by supporting the Shah. But overall he was a decent guy who was daring enough to rightly say that if there was an investigation into the 2016 election it would show Hillary Clinton had won.
|by Anonymous||reply 205||February 18, 2023 11:57 PM|
The solution to the AIDS crisis in the early 80s would have been for gay men to stop screwing around, which meant that any effective AIDS policy would have involved getting gay men to stop screwing around. Such a policy would have included public officials going on television and radio to tell gay men to stop screwing around. It’s probably easier to herd cats than it is to get gay men to stop screwing around. I doubt either Carter or Reagan could have done much to stop the spread of AIDS.
|by Anonymous||reply 206||February 19, 2023 12:05 AM|
Like others have said, he was the first president I voted for as well. I remember feeling so excited and proud.
|by Anonymous||reply 207||February 19, 2023 12:13 AM|
R206 Carter would've asked for more research money than the awful low 5 million (a drug of any kind can cost from 100 to 125 million) that was proposed in a budget from Congress (this was in the first few years of the disease).
Carter would've used the bully pulpit to pressure the medical community to treat the AIDS patients with humanity (something Reagan could've cared less about in his 2 terms).
Many friends /relatives tell stories about how doctors & nurses refused to touch them or to ask them necessary questions. Reagan spent this time backing Nancy's pet psychic behind the scenes & her China patterns in public.
|by Anonymous||reply 208||February 19, 2023 12:15 AM|
Will he die on Presidents' Day?
|by Anonymous||reply 209||February 19, 2023 12:17 AM|
206 is making shit up.maga does this.
|by Anonymous||reply 210||February 19, 2023 12:17 AM|
I eat piles and piles AND PILES! of maggot infested shit!
|by Anonymous||reply 211||February 19, 2023 12:19 AM|
Didn't the worst of AIDS occur after what would have been Carter's 2nd term?
|by Anonymous||reply 212||February 19, 2023 12:24 AM|
[quote]Also, the hostages in Iran were I think released the same day Reagan was sworn in and Carter was out.
If only there was somewhere you could look facts like that up. I hope one day they come up with something like that where it’s right at your fingertips.
(It was about 2 minutes after Reagan was officially sworn in!)
|by Anonymous||reply 213||February 19, 2023 12:25 AM|
President Carter is a good man. I hope his lady days are blissful and pain free.
|by Anonymous||reply 214||February 19, 2023 12:26 AM|
R206 Reagan didn't protect the blood supply so Ryan White & others got infected. Carter was a behind-the-scenes hands on meddler in everything (which is exactly what the nation needed to combat the AIDS crisis). Things could've been much different then what we got.
How can any of us forget how S. General C. Everett Coop had to show a bogus AIDS pamphlet to the Reagan WH folks & then mail a facts based one (that included gays) to every household in America. He risked his job by doing so but facts based Carter would've been more open minded in the first place. He didn't sugar coat things the way other "leaders" that followed him did.
|by Anonymous||reply 215||February 19, 2023 12:27 AM|
^^^last, not lady.
|by Anonymous||reply 216||February 19, 2023 12:27 AM|
R206. Solving the welfare problem would have involved yelling straight people to stop screwing around. But it’s easier hearing cats than stopping straight people from screwing around.
|by Anonymous||reply 217||February 19, 2023 12:29 AM|
[quote]Things could've been much different then what we got.
|by Anonymous||reply 218||February 19, 2023 12:29 AM|
R193 It won't let me link directly to it, but Amy was out and about 2 years ago at her parents' 75th wedding anniversary.
|by Anonymous||reply 219||February 19, 2023 12:30 AM|
I worked on Carter's campaign, went to his inauguration and met him twice. Met Rosalyn once. Here's the thing. Jimmy was ahead of his time. He was outstanding on human rights and the environment. He had a kick ass urban policy which was developed in close consultation with the big city mayors who had to implement it, and he was right on target when it came to Russia. Now his problem is that he didn't know how to delegate things, and he definitely didn't understand how to deal with the D.C> prima donnas in Congress. He brought his own team into the WH. Hamilton Jordan, Jody Powell, etc. Jordan was his Chief of Staff.. They used to refer to the Carter White House as the Georgia Mafia. They didn't know their way around, and alienated a lot of people. And of course the PRess was always on their asses because the press elites were part of the Georgetown establishment. Clinton learned from Carter's ineptitude. He cultivated Georgetown, and didn't blow off their dinner invitations the way Carter had.
|by Anonymous||reply 220||February 19, 2023 12:47 AM|
I hope he has chosen to be buried in Arlington.
The last President of the Greatest Generation's Navy.
He deserves all honors.
|by Anonymous||reply 221||February 19, 2023 1:03 AM|
[quote] Reagan spent this time backing Nancy's pet psychic behind the scenes & her China patterns in public.
And winning the Cold War
|by Anonymous||reply 222||February 19, 2023 1:04 AM|
R220, you’re absolutely right. In fact, Clinton would make sure all of his interns knew not to blow people off but instead do the opposite by being warm and inviting in their blowing.
|by Anonymous||reply 223||February 19, 2023 1:06 AM|
R220 Agree with your post, and unfortunately I don't think Obama learned from his mistakes as he repeated some of them.
What Obama was able to do in his own circle and with his own people didn't always help or gel with the downticket folks or the Dem party overall.
|by Anonymous||reply 224||February 19, 2023 1:10 AM|
Can we all agree that fighting inflation was something that HAD to be done sooner or later, and while those high interest rates wreaked havoc on the economy, we had to let off steam like a pressure cooker? Jerry Ford had inflation (remember Whip Inflation Now?) and what did he do to stop the inflation? Reagan would never admit it, but great timing was a HUGE thing for him.
|by Anonymous||reply 225||February 19, 2023 1:13 AM|
[quote] Do they have to invite...that person?
Yes but he doesn't have to attend.
|by Anonymous||reply 226||February 19, 2023 1:15 AM|
R222 Gorbachev said in his '96 book that the Chernobyl nuclear disaster sealed the Soviet Union's fate (not Reagan).
It cost $235 billion (in 1980s dollars) & many lives plus the environmental impact which continues to this day =
|by Anonymous||reply 227||February 19, 2023 1:15 AM|
The living presidents except for Trump seem to go to all the ceremonial events. They purposely leave Trump out
|by Anonymous||reply 228||February 19, 2023 1:17 AM|
[Quote] I think the Iran hostage crisis was only settled after Carter left office.
Actually Carter’s negotiations allowed the hostages to go free …on Reagan’s Inauguration Day. And Reagan took ALL the credit.
There are still strong rumors that the GOP made sure they were held until Inauguration Day
|by Anonymous||reply 229||February 19, 2023 1:19 AM|
I don't think there's going to be any discussion about Trump being at the funeral. The Carter family thought he was vile. He will be informed that his presence is neither required nor desired.
|by Anonymous||reply 230||February 19, 2023 1:21 AM|
r4 What did he fall out with Bill Clinton over?
|by Anonymous||reply 231||February 19, 2023 1:21 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 232||February 19, 2023 1:22 AM|
[quote] It takes some courage to agree to that
When you get older - much older - you will be surprised how easy this decision is to make.
Not the Marc Rich thing again.
It's not true that all DOJ was opposed to the pardon. By the time Clinton pardoned Rich, the law had changed and they were no longer prosecuting those acts as criminal offenses but rather they were being prosecuted as civil offenses. I was also at first annoyed by the pardon but when I learned the reason for the pardon I understood. It was the correct decision.
I am very sad for Jimmy but he had a fabulous life.
|by Anonymous||reply 233||February 19, 2023 1:24 AM|
R232, why did you post "....." about a minute after the prior post?
|by Anonymous||reply 234||February 19, 2023 1:24 AM|
A great man. The first President I voted for when I became of age. He truly walked the walk.
|by Anonymous||reply 235||February 19, 2023 1:26 AM|
R234, you never heard of a butt post?
|by Anonymous||reply 236||February 19, 2023 1:28 AM|
[quote] The Carter family thought he was vile. He will be informed that his presence is neither required nor desired.
The Bush family thought similarly of Trump, but believed that a president couldn't be denied an invite. Whether that would've applied to a former president may be another matter.
|by Anonymous||reply 237||February 19, 2023 1:29 AM|
Bush was a republican. No way Trump would attend the funeral of a democratic president.
|by Anonymous||reply 238||February 19, 2023 1:31 AM|
^ Trump considered himself a dem within the past 20 years & even
donated to Hillary's Senate campaign & also gave money to Schumer.
|by Anonymous||reply 239||February 19, 2023 1:38 AM|
[quote] And winning the Cold War
This bullshit again? Reagan didn't win the cold war.
The Soviet Union was rotting from within. It was only a matter of time as to when The Berlin Wall would fall and it wasn't pushed by Reagan.
Although that old bigot Reagan would, of course, be granted credit, when he didn't earn it, and claim it.
|by Anonymous||reply 240||February 19, 2023 1:38 AM|
[quote][R234], you never heard of a butt post?
Idk about him, but I haven’t.
WTF is a butt post?
|by Anonymous||reply 241||February 19, 2023 1:41 AM|
[quote] Bush was a republican. No way Trump would attend the funeral of a democratic president.
To Trump, Bush was worse than a democrat. He was a RINO.
|by Anonymous||reply 242||February 19, 2023 1:44 AM|
[quote]WTF is a butt post?
It's when George Santos posts online.
|by Anonymous||reply 243||February 19, 2023 1:45 AM|
Jimmy Carter had a good long life.
Reagan's campaign boys conspired with the Iranians to keep the hostages from being released before the election . It's called The October Surprise.
|by Anonymous||reply 244||February 19, 2023 1:47 AM|
He is one of our only presidents who didn't order shots to be fired and didn't use peace as a dirty word. Of course he's reviled by the corporatist warmongers
|by Anonymous||reply 245||February 19, 2023 1:47 AM|
lmao at r138
|by Anonymous||reply 246||February 19, 2023 1:55 AM|
I wonder if Jimmy ever forgave Rosalynn for her relationship with John Wayne Gacy?
|by Anonymous||reply 247||February 19, 2023 1:57 AM|
It's shocking that just 5 years after Nixon, Americans voted in a republican president again. Carter was just too weak and not shrewd enough to see through all the dirty tricks in Washington. Something essential to a good and successful presidency. You got to eat them before they eat you!
|by Anonymous||reply 248||February 19, 2023 1:59 AM|
R225 Re inflation. Carter appointed Paul Volcker as chair of the Fed. He's the guy whose policies finally brought inflation under control, although it was painful. I'll give Reagan credit for reappointing him when his first opportunity to appoint a Fed chair came around. (Alan Greenspan followed)
I read something interesting a number of years ago stating that 1970s inflation was created by LBJ's combination of domestic spending (Great Society) and spending on the Vietnam war. Basically stating, I guess, that it was the result of wanting to have both guns and butter. Don't know if it's a valid view, but something interesting to examine. Doesn't seem to account for high oil prices as a contributor. (If it weren't for the Vietnam war LBJ would have been a great president. I know that's an awfully big if.)
|by Anonymous||reply 249||February 19, 2023 2:02 AM|
[quote] I wonder if Jimmy ever forgave Rosalynn for her relationship with John Wayne Gacy?
Coming on the heels of her relationship with Jim Jones?! Miss Lillian didn't raise no idiot.
|by Anonymous||reply 250||February 19, 2023 2:03 AM|
R39 is classic DataLounge.
|by Anonymous||reply 251||February 19, 2023 2:04 AM|
I took a 300-level economics class during college: Money and Banking. IIRC, our professor told us that Carter played the game all wrong. Professor said that the incumbent president needs to manipulate the interest rate __X__ amount of months before the election. By election day, the effects of the interest rate have kicked in and everybody thinks you're doing good as POTUS and you get reelected.
I forgot if the incumbent POTUS is supposed to increase or decrease the interest rate. Probably decrease.
|by Anonymous||reply 252||February 19, 2023 2:05 AM|
When Gerald Ford died, I learned something that surprised me.
Even though Carter defeated Ford for the Presidency, after the dust settled, they both were sent to the funeral of Anwar Sadat and, somehow bonded and became close friends, even frequently visiting each other at their homes.
I know that Ford pardoning Nixon is universally reviled, but I think Ford did the right thing.
Bill Clinton stated that, at the time, he was deeply set against Ford's pardon of Nixon, but he looks back now and says it was the right thing to do.
|by Anonymous||reply 253||February 19, 2023 2:09 AM|
Ford seemed like he might have been a decent man, despite being a Republican. He seemed very respectful of his wife.
|by Anonymous||reply 254||February 19, 2023 2:12 AM|
Carter was a well known micromanager as though he did not trust the people he hired to do their jobs well. Both houses of Congress were under Democratic control, both houses had Democratic super majorities during Carter's first two years. Inflation had been out of control for several years but Congress and Carter could not agree how to manage fiscal policy to help mitigate it. In my view, this was the foundation for Carter's defeat in 1980.
The international embarrassment of the Iran Hostage Crisis was his ultimate undoing. Carter was decades ahead of the cutting off of foreign despots era, but it cost him and the country. He could easily have continued decades long support for the Shah and worked quietly on how to transition to a democracy. But like most things, Carter saw right and wrong, with no in between. In a few short months, the Shah was deposed, a caretaker government was installed then dismissed, and an ayatollah took over. Carter's handling of the crisis – not campaigning in 1980, basically locking himself up inside, squelching proposals from the CIA and foreign entities to intervene – guaranteed his loss in 1980. He came off as weak and ineffectual.
The first presidential candidate I voted for was Walter Mondale, though I knew from the get-go that it was a losing ticket.
|by Anonymous||reply 255||February 19, 2023 2:15 AM|
[quote] I forgot if the incumbent POTUS is supposed to increase or decrease the interest rate. Probably decrease.
To tamp down inflation interest rates need to be increased.
|by Anonymous||reply 256||February 19, 2023 2:16 AM|
What's sad about someone happy to die so he can go to see Jebus?
He won't be around for his disappointment and neither will we!
|by Anonymous||reply 257||February 19, 2023 2:16 AM|
I left out the juiciest part in my post at r253.
It's said that, among the reasons for the bond between Ford and Carter was their shared, deep dislike of Saint Ronald Reagan.
|by Anonymous||reply 258||February 19, 2023 2:17 AM|
Thanks, R256. Economics was not my strong point.
|by Anonymous||reply 259||February 19, 2023 2:18 AM|
[quote] I know that Ford pardoning Nixon is universally reviled, but I think Ford did the right thing.
Not universally reviled in history. Although the Trump example has caused many to revisit their reassessments.
|by Anonymous||reply 260||February 19, 2023 2:21 AM|
[quote] It's said that, among the reasons for the bond between Ford and Carter was their shared, deep dislike of Saint Ronald Reagan.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
|by Anonymous||reply 261||February 19, 2023 2:22 AM|
[quote] One of his [Carter's] greatest achievements, he felt, was that the United States did not fight against any countries during his presidency. Aside from the eight people who were killed during a hostage rescue mission during the Iranian Revolution, no American or any other national was killed under the banner of an American war.
|by Anonymous||reply 262||February 19, 2023 2:23 AM|
R255, he got the hostages freed
|by Anonymous||reply 263||February 19, 2023 2:26 AM|
I'm no fan of Trump, R262, but couldn't the same be said of him, too?
|by Anonymous||reply 264||February 19, 2023 2:27 AM|
He had a good run. Ruined Afghanistan and started a decades long war that led to the death of millions on the advice of that piece of shit cold warrior Zbigniew Brzezinski, but also built a lot of houses, monitored a lot of elections, and killed a lot of Guinea worm. Didn't nuke Iran for the sake of a shitty corrupt US lackey. A decent guy. One of the few presidents I could say that of.
|by Anonymous||reply 265||February 19, 2023 2:27 AM|
Trump caused a domestic war when he sent his Flying Monkeys to try to loot my vote that was symbolically stored at the US Capitol on January 6th.
|by Anonymous||reply 266||February 19, 2023 2:29 AM|
The good usually die young. We were lucky to have him for such a long time. I'm sure Rosalynn will follow him shortly. He did quite a bit as president if you look it up.
|by Anonymous||reply 267||February 19, 2023 2:29 AM|
Will Caroline Kennedy come to the funeral as a representative of her presidential family? Tricia Nixon & Susan Ford always attends these gatherings on behalf of their families. Ron Reagan & Patti Davis can't be bothered.
|by Anonymous||reply 268||February 19, 2023 2:36 AM|
I wonder if Rosalyn is too frail to travel to DC, assuming Carter lies in state and some kind of service is held there.
Perhaps she'll stay in Georgia, while her children represent the family in DC. then be at his funeral when his body, or ashes, come back from DC.
I hope she doesn't travel. She's too frail.
|by Anonymous||reply 269||February 19, 2023 2:41 AM|
[quote] Will Caroline Kennedy come to the funeral as a representative of her presidential family? Tricia Nixon & Susan Ford always attends these gatherings on behalf of their families. Ron Reagan & Patti Davis can't be bothered.
How far back does the tradition extend? Do the heirs of Truman and FDR and Hoover attend presidential funerals?
|by Anonymous||reply 270||February 19, 2023 2:42 AM|
The Carters in the land of the giants.
|by Anonymous||reply 271||February 19, 2023 2:44 AM|
[quote] How far back does the tradition extend? Do the heirs of Truman and FDR and Hoover attend presidential funerals?
No. Just the children of former presidents are invited.
|by Anonymous||reply 272||February 19, 2023 2:46 AM|
Wonder why the current Evilgelicals hate this man?
|by Anonymous||reply 273||February 19, 2023 2:47 AM|
Think the current crop of Evangelicals will piss on his grave.
|by Anonymous||reply 274||February 19, 2023 2:49 AM|
In real time, Jimmy Carter, notwithstanding the ever-present campaign smile, was known to be quite mean & prickly. And intensely ambitious.
|by Anonymous||reply 275||February 19, 2023 2:49 AM|
R273 & 274, Carter is recognized as the first evangelical president.
|by Anonymous||reply 276||February 19, 2023 2:51 AM|
I didn't realize that Tricia Nixon and Susan Ford were attending funerals on behalf of their fathers (former POTUSes). I also didn't realize that Ron Reagan Jr. was still alive (and blowing off funerals).
|by Anonymous||reply 277||February 19, 2023 2:52 AM|
Carter apologized multiple times for giving power to evangelicals
|by Anonymous||reply 278||February 19, 2023 2:54 AM|
That gives a nice sense of continuity, r277.
|by Anonymous||reply 279||February 19, 2023 2:55 AM|
[quote]It's 42 years after Jimmy Carter's presidency, and history should have already have made its favorable judgement. It hasn't.
That's not how it plays out. That's not how it played out with Nixon, Ford, Reagan or Bush. History made its favorable judgment on each of these Presidents AFTER they passed away. Especially on Ford, who was the the most controversial - suddenly, he was a hero for pardoning Nixon (once Ford died). Once Carter is six feet under, history will be very kind to him and look at his presidency in a favorable way.
I'm calling it now - his wife of 75 years will be dead within months after his passing. Definitely by the end of the year.
Let's not forget - Trump was not welcome to Barbara Bush's funeral some 7 months before her husband's. She publicly loathed Trump and made it clear in her prepared funeral plans he was not welcome.
So Trump won't go, but he may send Ivanka and Jarhead. Like he did for McCain's funeral.
Calling it Now - Sunny Hostin will say she's good friends with the Carters. Barbara Walters will make a ghostly appearance on The View the day after he dies, and say she regrets asking Carter to 'please be gentle with us', as though Americans were a country of village idiots, in her 1976 interview.
Any women in the cast of a 'Real Housewives' series would kill to have Jeff Carter's lips - and they pay dearly for them. Ask Lisa Rinna. Jeff can suck a lemon all the way in Sicily while he's standing in Atlanta - that's how big them lips are.
|by Anonymous||reply 280||February 19, 2023 2:58 AM|
R253 When Reagan sent the three ex presidents to Sadat's funeral as Bob Dole watched Carter,Ford,Nixon walk by he said:
'There goes : See No Evil, Hear No Evil and Evil."
|by Anonymous||reply 281||February 19, 2023 2:59 AM|
Tricia Nixon & Susan Ford, along with LBJ's daughters, at the Bush funeral.
|by Anonymous||reply 282||February 19, 2023 2:59 AM|
I believe that, r275.
I've read credible accounts of people who knew and worked with Carter that he could demonstrate a mean streak.
Iirc, when there were hard feelings between Clinton and Carter, Clinton complained about Carter benefitting from his false public image of the pious, but nice, Sunday School teacher, when the Carter he had to deal with could be mean as a snake.
|by Anonymous||reply 283||February 19, 2023 3:00 AM|
[quote] It's 42 years after Jimmy Carter's presidency, and history should have already have made its favorable judgement. It hasn't.
In the 42 years - & beyond - after his presidency, Wilson was acclaimed as one of our greatest presidents. Always ranked in the top 5 by historians. Not any longer.
|by Anonymous||reply 284||February 19, 2023 3:02 AM|
Carter claimed to be the only president ever to read the entire 10,000 pages of the United States Federal Government's Fiscal Budget. Which explains a lot as to why his presidency failed.
|by Anonymous||reply 285||February 19, 2023 3:05 AM|
Since her mother died, Caroline has made it a practice of going to the funerals of most of the former First Ladies, Lady Bird, Nancy & Barbara. She didn't attend George HW Bush's funeral.
|by Anonymous||reply 286||February 19, 2023 3:10 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 287||February 19, 2023 3:11 AM|
I'd be interested to read a mainly *quantitative*, comparative analysis of the former POTUSes. Yes, of course, personality matters, because it affects how much cooperation you can get with Congress & other world leaders. Yes, I realize party (D or R) is the main factor as far as cooperation, but still.
|by Anonymous||reply 288||February 19, 2023 3:14 AM|
[quote] So Trump won't go, but he may send Ivanka and Jarhead. Like he did for McCain's funeral.
It's reported that there is a deep rift now between Trump and the Kushners.
Being the vindictive SOB Trump is, he probably won't send them, assuming he's even invited, knowing they'd seize the opportunity to perhaps try to repair their social standing by seeing, and being seen there. That's how Trump rolls.
I'm not arguing with you, r280, but my understanding is that NONE of the Trumps were invited to McCain's funeral. It was reported that the Kushners were there because Senator Lindsey Graham picked up the phone, called Cindy Mccain, and badgered her to allow them to come, he wore her down, and she gave in.
Talk about chutzpah. I wouldn't go near any social event if an immediate family member was publicly barred from it. That didn't stop the Kushners.
|by Anonymous||reply 289||February 19, 2023 3:14 AM|
Tricia Nixon got her father's homely looks. Thoughts and prayers for her.
|by Anonymous||reply 290||February 19, 2023 3:15 AM|
That was really weird when Ivanka and Jared showed up at the McCain funeral. They were akin to party crashers. I would've been embarrassed, but Ivanka did all kinds of things and never seemed embarrassed. By "all kinds of things," I mean show up at the G20 and try to be on par with the world leaders.
|by Anonymous||reply 291||February 19, 2023 3:18 AM|
[quote]No. Just the children of former presidents are invited.
How about grandchildren? Can they go?
|by Anonymous||reply 292||February 19, 2023 3:19 AM|
[quote] Tricia Nixon got her father's homely looks. Thoughts and prayers for her.
She sure did evolve into that. But it wasn't the case when her father was president. She was regarded as the pretty one.
|by Anonymous||reply 293||February 19, 2023 3:20 AM|
R289 Thanks for explaining that - I forgot Lady Lindsay played a big part in getting the Kushners there. I know Meghan McCain made it very clear when she returned to THE VIEW that Trump and the Kushners were not invited - at least not by her and her siblings. Meanwhile, the press was reporting Lady L was calling Cindy and asking her to intervene.
|by Anonymous||reply 294||February 19, 2023 3:20 AM|
[quote]That didn't stop the Kushners.
|by Anonymous||reply 295||February 19, 2023 3:21 AM|
Just keep Trump's filthy mouth out of this thread
|by Anonymous||reply 296||February 19, 2023 3:23 AM|
Oh, and one last thing about the McCain funeral. The Kushners were seated right next to Chelsea Clinton. I recall reading from a spy, that those 3 never acknowledged the presence of the other.
That whole "Chelsea and Ivanka are good friends" stuff always was BS.
|by Anonymous||reply 297||February 19, 2023 3:33 AM|
As a high schooler I recall how wildly popular Mr Peanut was with us kid. Jimmy was the breath of fresh air that was going to clear out the corrupt stench of Nixon and his flunky dummy Gerald Ford. When he and Rosalyn got out of the limo and walked hand and hand down Pennsylvania Ave the media lapped it up The peoples president!.He was pardoning the draft dodgers from that awful war. He would heal America and peace and joy would rule the stars. Just 18 months later Carter was the "Amazing Shrinking President" Besides the obvious daily torture of the hostages and the crushing double digit inflation ( paid 18% on my first car loan).His own Democratic congress would blocked him. Tip and Teddy held him in abject contempt and refused to play ball. My Dad who had voted for him and admired him as a fellow naval officer could no longer stand his sanctimonious lectures, orange Mr Rodgers sweaters, and "malaise" homilies. Why he agreed to debate an old media pro like Reagan I'll never know. Carter was the worst public speaker. He tended to just let his sentences trail off into the ether. After the debate Dad said Ronnie looked "like the cat who swallowed the canary". 'Well there ya go again" and sure enough Mr Peanut went.
|by Anonymous||reply 298||February 19, 2023 3:35 AM|
Carter blamed Ted Kennedy for blocking his plan for National Heath Care as revenge by Kennedy for defeating him in the primary. The Kennedy's loathed Jimmy Carter. They got on far better with Reagan. Jackie almost plotzed when Mr Peanut dared to kiss her. Lèse majesté!
|by Anonymous||reply 299||February 19, 2023 3:42 AM|
Jimmy should have slipped her a Benjy. Worked for me.
|by Anonymous||reply 300||February 19, 2023 3:43 AM|
I've waited decades, but at last, REVENGE WILL BE MINE!!!!
|by Anonymous||reply 301||February 19, 2023 3:46 AM|
With the Ayatollah, Ronnie, Tip, the Kennedy's and Bugs Bunny all with their knives out it's a wonder Carter made to four years. These days impeachment would be filed at 12 months.
|by Anonymous||reply 302||February 19, 2023 3:49 AM|
The Imperial Presidency was kaput. It was a whole new media ball game. My parents were shocked and appalled when they saw this on the front page.
|by Anonymous||reply 303||February 19, 2023 3:52 AM|
I was hoping he’d make it to 100. I guess we’ll just have to wait on Trump - with his amazing genes - to become our first centenarian president. And hope that he keeps wining his party’s nomination, only to lose in the general.
|by Anonymous||reply 304||February 19, 2023 3:53 AM|
If FDR and LBJ were the furthest left Presidents of the 20th century and 21st centuries, Carter was probably next, no? I get that the general judgement of historians is that he wasn't equal to the challenges of his Presidency but at least his heart was somewhere in the rightish place. Maybe there will be a revisionist bounce in his reputation after death.
Yes, of course Trump will come. Trump wants to be taken seriously as someone who held the office of President. And actually, he probably hated Carter less than Obama, the Bushes, or the Clintons. In fact I remember reading he called him for advice on China once.
|by Anonymous||reply 305||February 19, 2023 3:55 AM|
How did they feel about seeing JFK’s brain blown to pieces, R303?
|by Anonymous||reply 306||February 19, 2023 3:55 AM|
Go be with Dixie, Mr. President.
Your sister is waiting with open arms.
|by Anonymous||reply 307||February 19, 2023 3:57 AM|
R305, when he died, JFK was thought to be the most conservative Democratic president since Cleveland. In real time, Carter was considered even more conservative. Hence, the Ted Kennedy (& Jerry Brown) challenge to his renomination.
|by Anonymous||reply 308||February 19, 2023 3:59 AM|
Jimmy also tongued the Queen Mum who sputtered in outrage: "Nobody has done that since my husband died!”
|by Anonymous||reply 309||February 19, 2023 3:59 AM|
^ He should have slipped her a G & T.
|by Anonymous||reply 310||February 19, 2023 4:00 AM|
[quote] I'm calling it now - his wife of 75 years will be dead within months after his passing. Definitely by the end of the year.
How seemly of you.
|by Anonymous||reply 311||February 19, 2023 4:00 AM|
I don't dismiss out-of-hand that there is a possibility that, if invited, Trump will attend.
[quote] that's possible, r305, and there may be something to what you wrote here.
But I was thinking he may attend Carter's funeral, again, assuming he's invited, because he sees an opportunity to be an attention-robbing, attention addict that he is.
He knows his presence would be the talk of the funeral, and he may want to glory in that. Even if nobody talks to him.
|by Anonymous||reply 312||February 19, 2023 4:02 AM|
I’m not so sure, R311. I’m thinking she’ll remarry in short order.
|by Anonymous||reply 313||February 19, 2023 4:02 AM|
Grandchildren/children of Presidents don't automatically attend state funerals.
The ones who have usually have connections to the family or find it beneficial for their careers/profiles/families legacies.
Of course, Caroline went to the funeral of the wife of her father's running mate. Jackie and Lady Bird were forever linked by the assassination and kept in some contact for years. When Jackie died, Lady Bird and the Clintons were the only ones invited to the funeral. There was a connection between the families. Similarly it makes sense that the Nixon daughters attended Bush's funeral, Bush was a Nixon guy, etc. I guarantee Susan Ford will attend, as has been stated Carter and Ford became very close post the Sadat-trip.
Chelsea (who I love) and Javanka attended Bush's funeral to further their profile.
|by Anonymous||reply 314||February 19, 2023 4:03 AM|
Trump & Carter were insurgent candidates despised by the establishment of their parties.
|by Anonymous||reply 315||February 19, 2023 4:07 AM|
Sad to think there was a golden opportunity for universal health care and Ted Kennedy the "champion of health care" blocked it due to his own petty ego. Clearly the wrong Kennedy survived.
|by Anonymous||reply 316||February 19, 2023 4:07 AM|
Then explain, R314, why Caroline also attended the funerals for Nancy Reagan & Barbara Bush?
|by Anonymous||reply 317||February 19, 2023 4:09 AM|
R308 but wouldn't you put him to the left of Clinton, Obama, and Biden? Or maybe not? Biden has probably more concrete liberal achievements I guess.
Trump will not stay away since if he does, it will either look like he is hiding, or that he isn't a 'real' member of the Presidents' Club. So, unless he gets indicted and jailed in the meantime, he's coming.And it'd surely be very difficult for the family to keep him away even if they might want to.
|by Anonymous||reply 318||February 19, 2023 4:10 AM|
R314 Miss Prisspot Chief of Protocol
|by Anonymous||reply 319||February 19, 2023 4:11 AM|
It seemed R316, that the surviving Kennedy brothers, Bobby & Teddy, couldn’t accept any other democrat in the presidency in the years immediately after the JFK assassination.
|by Anonymous||reply 320||February 19, 2023 4:11 AM|
R318, Trump’s biggest calculation is divining what his rabid supporters would think. They may not cotton to the idea of him honoring the much-reviled Jimmy Carter.
|by Anonymous||reply 321||February 19, 2023 4:14 AM|
I like your posts r314.
|by Anonymous||reply 322||February 19, 2023 4:16 AM|
My bet is when Trump finally goes, no other president will attend.
|by Anonymous||reply 323||February 19, 2023 4:17 AM|
[quote] Then explain, [R314], why Caroline also attended the funerals for Nancy Reagan & Barbara Bush?
To further her brand as the heir to the Kennedy political dynasty I'd say. Teddy's gone. Who's left, Craig Kennedy?
|by Anonymous||reply 324||February 19, 2023 4:22 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 325||February 19, 2023 4:24 AM|
It wouldn't surprise me if Melania has already decided she won't have a public funeral for Trump.
If there is one thing about Melania, if we've learned nothing else about her, it's this: Protocol and tradition be damned. She's not gonna do whatever she doesn't want to do, and, with Trump dead, she'll have less reason to.
Besides. she knows how much her husband is hated.
Of course, she may go entirely in the other direction. She could, just for the sheer drama of it, have a big public funeral and make the living former and US Presidents tell he "No" about attending.
|by Anonymous||reply 326||February 19, 2023 4:30 AM|
tell her "No" about attending ^
|by Anonymous||reply 327||February 19, 2023 4:31 AM|
But the Caroline-related point of your post, R314, was that, “of course,” Caroline attended the Lady Bird funeral because she was the wife of her father’s running mate, suggesting that she wouldn’t otherwise deign to go to one of these ceremonies.
|by Anonymous||reply 328||February 19, 2023 4:33 AM|
After her husband’s death. Jackie Kennedy never attended the funeral of a former president or First Lady.
|by Anonymous||reply 329||February 19, 2023 4:36 AM|
Are you so sure Melania would go to Donald’s funeral, R326?
|by Anonymous||reply 330||February 19, 2023 4:38 AM|
I shudder to think what a state funeral for Trump would look like. With the media having to adopt a somber tone.
|by Anonymous||reply 331||February 19, 2023 4:39 AM|
[quote] After her husband’s death. Jackie Kennedy never attended the funeral of a former president or First Lady.
|by Anonymous||reply 332||February 19, 2023 4:40 AM|
[quote] After her husband’s death. Jackie Kennedy never attended the funeral of a former president or First Lady.
Jackie had a very full life outside of just being a former First Lady.
|by Anonymous||reply 333||February 19, 2023 5:09 AM|
[quote] The Kennedy’s loathed Jimmy Carter
[quote] the Kennedy’s and Bugs Bunny
What’s does the K
|by Anonymous||reply 334||February 19, 2023 5:10 AM|
Trump is deserving of a Captain Fantastic Airport Funeral.
|by Anonymous||reply 335||February 19, 2023 5:10 AM|
wtf do you 'tards give a shit about trump?
|by Anonymous||reply 336||February 19, 2023 5:11 AM|
[quote] The Kennedy’s loathed Jimmy Carter
[quote] the Kennedy’s and Bugs Bunny
What’s does the Kennedy possess?
|by Anonymous||reply 337||February 19, 2023 5:13 AM|
People who worked closely with him never saw the smile that was much a part of his public persona, especially in ‘76.
|by Anonymous||reply 338||February 19, 2023 5:19 AM|
The block function works
|by Anonymous||reply 339||February 19, 2023 5:25 AM|
so does creating new accounts and ww your own posts.
|by Anonymous||reply 340||February 19, 2023 5:40 AM|
You funeral guest list obsessives realize no one will show at yours.
|by Anonymous||reply 341||February 19, 2023 6:11 AM|
R305 FDR and LBJ were both 20th Century.
|by Anonymous||reply 342||February 19, 2023 6:12 AM|
Carter is responsible for ushering the Christian Right into the White House.
|by Anonymous||reply 343||February 19, 2023 6:19 AM|
R339 fr B2B2 so do bifocals.
|by Anonymous||reply 344||February 19, 2023 6:24 AM|
I won't be at Donald's services but l'll be there in spirit.
|by Anonymous||reply 345||February 19, 2023 6:31 AM|
[quite]The solution to the AIDS crisis in the early 80s would have been for gay men to stop screwing around, which meant that any effective AIDS policy would have involved getting gay men to stop screwing around. Such a policy would have included public officials going on television and radio to tell gay men to stop screwing around. It’s probably easier to herd cats than it is to get gay men to stop screwing around. I doubt either Carter or Reagan could have done much to stop the spread of AIDS.
For 99% of human history, syphilis and other STI's could cause serious disability or even death. If a woman contracted syphilis during pregnancy, there could be serious consequences for the fetus. It didn't stop men from screwing around and passing on diseases to their wives, or women cheating on their husbands.
|by Anonymous||reply 346||February 19, 2023 6:52 AM|
[quote]The solution to the AIDS crisis in the early 80s would have been for gay men to stop screwing around, which meant that any effective AIDS policy would have involved getting gay men to stop screwing around. Such a policy would have included public officials going on television and radio to tell gay men to stop screwing around. It’s probably easier to herd cats than it is to get gay men to stop screwing around. I doubt either Carter or Reagan could have done much to stop the spread of AIDS.
For 99% of human history, syphilis and other STI's could cause serious disability or even death. If a woman contracted syphilis during pregnancy, there could be serious consequences for the fetus. It didn't stop men from screwing around and passing on diseases to their wives, or women cheating on their husbands.
|by Anonymous||reply 347||February 19, 2023 6:53 AM|
106 is an inflammatory and intensely stupid, yes stupid, comment. Typical of magat filth.
By the time aids was identified as sexually transmitted, it had killed and infected thousands of gay men.
Aids didn't even have a name back then and by the time the infection was named AIDS, it had wreaked havoc in the gay population.
|by Anonymous||reply 348||February 19, 2023 7:00 AM|
I hope he chooses Hillary to do his eulogy. Since he was frank enough to admit that Russia stole the presidency from her.
|by Anonymous||reply 349||February 19, 2023 8:02 AM|
We thank him for having spent his life with us. What an amazing man.
|by Anonymous||reply 350||February 19, 2023 8:07 AM|
[quote]And it'd surely be very difficult for the family to keep him away even if they might want to.
The Bushes kept Trump away and he was the sitting president at the time. I'm sure the Carters can do the same.
|by Anonymous||reply 351||February 19, 2023 9:03 AM|
R346 No, the effective policy was to tell gay men to limit their partners and use a condom.
Did you ever watch the film 'The Day After' (1983)? It shows the citizens of Kansas City literally being incinerated on screen in a nuclear attack, and then the survivors left to trudge, as blighted, nearly-dead radioactive skeletons, through the post-apocalyptic desert. I even read a political science academic who argued the film was so disturbing it motivated Reagan to begin arms control talks with the Soviet Union.
Do you know what else is really interesting about this film? There is a subplot about a young engaged couple sneaking around trying to have sex before their wedding. Unfortunately, at the time you couldn't say 'condom' on US TV, so the script had to work around that rather awkwardly.
"Did you get the.... thing?" " You know... the thing! Go get it!"
(Later, post nuclear apocalypse)
"If only I hadn't used that thing! I'd be pregnant now!"
The US in the early '80s, eh? It must have been weird as shit.
|by Anonymous||reply 352||February 19, 2023 9:05 AM|
Rosalynn was quite chic in her own way.
She did the best she could with the late '70s, with her little tailored suits, shirtdresses, and tie-front blouses.
She had a great figure for clothes of the time, and you could tell she had good taste.
|by Anonymous||reply 353||February 19, 2023 9:05 AM|
[quote]Carter is recognized as the first evangelical president
Evangelical doesn't mean what it used to. Carter is a deeply religious man who is more akin to the hippie Christian movement of the 1960s than he is to modern-day evangelicals. He believes in loving thy neighbor and other points that current Christians don't generally believe in anymore. In the 1970s, when he said things like "I've sinned in my heart," it came across as hopelessly square and old-fashioned and religious, but in the decades since, he's committed himself to helping others in ways that evangelicals simply do not do.
|by Anonymous||reply 354||February 19, 2023 9:09 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 355||February 19, 2023 9:10 AM|
I not only didn't realize that Billy Carter died when he was 51, but that his daughter Jana married Van Jones. That makes it all the more berserk that Van was linked with Kim K awhile back.
Carter will definitely have the state funeral in DC, but I would imagine there will also be another service at his church in Plains where he taught Sunday School for so many years. (Then he'll be buried at The Carter Center in ATL.)
I grew up in South GA and people would take "field trips" on Sunday morning to hear him teach Sunday School. My mum's best friend's mother was from Plains and knew Jimmy and Rosalynn. She always said they were "good people," which is the best compliment one can get from a fellow Southerner. RIP, Jimmy.
|by Anonymous||reply 356||February 19, 2023 9:42 AM|
"Hospice" isn't what the name name implies. In America it's the euphemism for gradual euthenasia that kills the patient without fail in 7-10 days, usually by dehydration because they withhold fluids.
|by Anonymous||reply 357||February 19, 2023 10:12 AM|
There are tons of people on DL who have used Hospice for their relatives r357 and they know what you said isn't true.
I'm guessing you just wanted to pick a fight.
|by Anonymous||reply 358||February 19, 2023 10:13 AM|
He should have stuck to peanut farming.
|by Anonymous||reply 359||February 19, 2023 10:46 AM|
[quote] The Bushes kept Trump away and he was the sitting president at the time. I'm sure the Carters can do the same.
You're confusing the Bushes for the McCains. He was front & center at GHW Bush's funeral.
|by Anonymous||reply 360||February 19, 2023 11:38 AM|
Not religious, but God bless him. He wasn't the greatest President (though he was better than given credit)....but, he is a great human being. He's done a lot to help people with Habitats For Humanity and other causes. I think he did his best work post POTUS. A real class act. He will be missed.
|by Anonymous||reply 361||February 19, 2023 12:03 PM|
Amy's nanny during most of her years living in the White House was a black lady who had been convicted & imprisoned for murder and later completely exonerated. I know of few POTUSes & FLOTUSes other than the Carters who would have allowed that.
I remember Amy from her time working at the Chapter 11 bookstore at Ansley Mall in Atlanta. She always seemed a serious but sweet young lady. She went on to marry one of the store managers
|by Anonymous||reply 362||February 19, 2023 12:30 PM|
President Carter has a distant relation to Motown Records founder, Berry Gordy. Miss Lillian (mother) was born Bessie Lillian Gordy, whose father was James Jackson Gordy. She was the niece of Berry Gordy I, who was the paternal half-brother of James Jackson Gordy (father) and the grandfather of Berry Gordy....the founder of Motown. I thought that was a cool fact....thanks to Wikipedia.
|by Anonymous||reply 363||February 19, 2023 12:48 PM|
[quote] Amy's nanny during most of her years living in the White House was a black lady who had been convicted & imprisoned for murder and later completely exonerated. I know of few POTUSes & FLOTUSes other than the Carters who would have allowed that.
And Amy went to public school in DC.
|by Anonymous||reply 364||February 19, 2023 1:27 PM|
Why drag it out?
|by Anonymous||reply 365||February 19, 2023 1:29 PM|
I am, r360, you're right. Bar kept baby Donnie away but George did not.
|by Anonymous||reply 366||February 19, 2023 1:33 PM|
[quote] Ford seemed like he might have been a decent man, despite being a Republican. He seemed very respectful of his wife.
He was the last of the "country club Republicans" who seemed more interested in budgets and cutting deficits than any sort of social engineering or warmongering.
|by Anonymous||reply 367||February 19, 2023 1:47 PM|
It is so strange they use the words "peanut farmer" derisively. His successor was just an actress and not even an accomplished one.
|by Anonymous||reply 368||February 19, 2023 2:09 PM|
I bet Rosalynn didn't suck as much cock as I did to claw her way to the top!
|by Anonymous||reply 369||February 19, 2023 2:12 PM|
R224, a lot of Dems shy away from any criticism of Obama, and the truth is he did not enjoy schmoozing members of Congress. Joe loved it and saw how necessary it was just as a way to gether intel into how people were thinking about issues before the COngress or on vital legislation. And Obama appointing Rahm Emanuel as his CoS was a disaster. He was abrasive, poorly informed and thought he knew every damned thing. He alienated a lot of people, and Axelrod alienated a lot of people too. And his first PRess Secretary was totally not prepared to deal with his job requirements. The other Obama problem was the DNC. Obama didn't care about rebuilding the party machinery, etc. and this was part of the reason he lost the House in 2010. Part of the reason.. His messaging was off. People had still not recovered from the impact of the economic meltdown of 2007-2008. We were wobbly. We had anxieties. But the Obama wise men ignored that, and he didn't even mention "It's the Economy, stupid!" until late September of 2010. To say Obama was out of touch with the DNC and party operatives is an understatement. Obama was/is an elitist when it came to retail politics. He was very fortunate in his choice of VP, because without Biden and Pelosi, he would have been Jimmy Carter.
|by Anonymous||reply 370||February 19, 2023 2:31 PM|
Agree 100% r370.
In fact, I was dead set against Hillary being the 2008 candidate to be the POTUS and went all in for Obama.
Now, I'll admit the following. I think we were wrong. The 2008 candidate should have been Hillary.
And before any gets their knickers in a twist, Obama still was a better POTUS than any Republican was, or, could be.
Hillary would have been a superb President.
|by Anonymous||reply 371||February 19, 2023 2:39 PM|
It is important to note that President Carter has lived many productive years after his advanced melanoma diagnosis because of cancer research.
|by Anonymous||reply 372||February 19, 2023 2:42 PM|
Hillary understands politics and eating a shit sandwich more than Obama did, for sure.
The GOP smear machine definitely got her, though. They tried hard with Obama and the birth certificate, as well as "Michelle is a man" but most non-MAGA types understood that was racist BS.
I have mixed feelings about him. Of course I appreciate that gay marriage happened during his time in office. I appreciate the try at ACA.
My MAGA sister and her husband were furious with him because the ACA mandate meant as insurance agents (self employed) they have to cough up $2500/mo for health care. And not great healthcare, either. Some pieces of that were really not done well at all. I wish they hadn't turned into MAGA fools because of that experience, but I can understand the fuel of resentment.
I don't think either party has done well for a lot of the "flyover" states and old rust belt areas. They were ripe for messaging and Trump got them, at least for a few cycles.
|by Anonymous||reply 373||February 19, 2023 2:47 PM|
The Hostage crisis was the culmination of a lot of bad actors and poor judgement. Carter was given a shit sandwich. Russia's hand was shit stirring in the Iranian hostage mess. Iran has historically been a client of Russia's. Russia hated Carter. Hated him. He was the architect of their failure in Afghanistan. It was Nixon and Kissinger who pressured the Federal government to take the Shah of Iran in. Extreme pressure. And it was one of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency's biggest intelligence failures to completely overlook and understate the actual revolution going on before their eyes with the Muslim fundamentalists in Iran. If I were to place blame Kissinger would be in for a large portion of it. Whether he was in or out of government he was touted as the ultimate wiseman when it came to foreign policy and he was a POS. It's so easy to follow the Media's lead and put all the blame on Carter, and the truth is he was grappling with the results of a lot of other people's messes. What is important, is that he got them out alive. And yes, the Iranians held back to embarrass him. They colluded with Reagan and the people who controlled Reagan. They wanted Reagan to win the election. Carter's problem was that he was more concerned with getting them out, than with getting re-elected. He should have fought dirty, but he wouldn't.
|by Anonymous||reply 374||February 19, 2023 2:52 PM|
[quote] Aside from the eight people who were killed during a hostage rescue mission during the Iranian Revolution, no American or any other national was killed under the banner of an American war. ----------- I'm no fan of Trump, [R262], but couldn't the same be said of him, too?
No Trump can't claim that. He kicked Russian ass hard. The first president to stand up to Russia in combat since Truman
|by Anonymous||reply 375||February 19, 2023 2:59 PM|
I wonder if the main writer of The Times’s Jimmy Carter obituary is still alive.
|by Anonymous||reply 376||February 19, 2023 3:31 PM|
Obama was far superior to Hillary Clinton. We are lucky she failed in her 2008 bid. Despite her age and long exposure to the political world, she was a novice in political office , just like Obama. But Obama had inspirational qualities and management abilities. Compare her ability to organize a presidential campaign and their results in instituting health care reform, and it’s clear who was the gifted leader and who was just a run of the mill, inexperienced politician.
|by Anonymous||reply 377||February 19, 2023 3:59 PM|
Thank you for being so transparent, r377, and bless your heart.
|by Anonymous||reply 378||February 19, 2023 4:01 PM|
R377, The main thing Obama had going for him was that he was not Hillary.
|by Anonymous||reply 379||February 19, 2023 4:04 PM|
And I should add that Obama at least had some courage and principles. Don’t forget he voted against Iraq War and she voted for it. And she did that despite representing a state that would never have penalized her for opposing the war. For her, preserving her presidential viability was paramount. We can only imagine how many disastrous decisions that might have ied up, almond with her inexperience.
She has been unfairly vilified by the right wing press, but she was in the end a mediocre political functionary who was new to elected politics.
|by Anonymous||reply 380||February 19, 2023 4:06 PM|
Based on engagement, my Twitter account had me following and being followed by accounts who identified Obama as a war criminal. It was shocking to read these comments.
|by Anonymous||reply 381||February 19, 2023 4:13 PM|
R377 And thank you for being so transparent in your stupidity and vileness. Bless your tiny, little child-like brain! Datalounge could use more of your intellect and useful posts like yours.
|by Anonymous||reply 382||February 19, 2023 4:17 PM|
[quote]Evangelical doesn't mean what it used to.
Yes it does, you moron.
|by Anonymous||reply 383||February 19, 2023 4:17 PM|
Obama had the luxury of voting against the Iraq war. Hillary did not. Hillary as the U.S. Senator from New York, had to support Bush and the war because it was New York that was hit by terrorists on 9/11 which was Bush's excuse for the war. Hillary was under intense political pressure, unlike Obama. Carter had a human rights policy, an energy policy, an environmental policy, and even had solar panels installed at the White House. In the 70's. He alienated a lot of people with vested interests who did not support that.
|by Anonymous||reply 384||February 19, 2023 4:18 PM|
[quote] The GOP smear machine definitely got her, though. They tried hard with Obama and the birth certificate, as well as "Michelle is a man" but most non-MAGA types understood that was racist BS.
Don’t forget the whitey essay.
[quote]I have mixed feelings about him. Of course I appreciate that gay marriage happened during his time in office.
Obama gave up on it. Nancy got it in last minute.
|by Anonymous||reply 385||February 19, 2023 4:20 PM|
The woke left hates Obama with a passion. Ironically, these were the same people who came to the idea of the first black president and made every excuse to get him into office. Now they hate him.
|by Anonymous||reply 386||February 19, 2023 4:21 PM|
How did Nancy get it, r385? I’m a huge fan of Nancy, but it was the Supreme Court that legalized it.
|by Anonymous||reply 387||February 19, 2023 4:21 PM|
Jimmy did not publicly attack Bill Clinton personally, but he definitely said, in an interview that when he had concerns or he "needed something" He called Al Gore who he liked and admired. His relationship with the Clintons was chilly at best for many years. And Bill Clinton was often very exasperated by what he felt was Carter's interference with foreign policy. For example, Carter opposed any military intervention that resulted in violence in Haiti. Clinton had his invasion force ready, they were on their way, when he got word that Jimmy Carter was on the ground in Haiti. Boom. No invasion. No strong arm. Carter went to Cuba. Carter was actively involved in the Anti Apartheid movement in South Africa. Carter was doing a lot internationally. Meanwhile Clinton had some spectacular failures in Kosovo, Rwanda, and other places. Bill Clinton was a politician.. he was really good at it. But he made some bad choices as President. And Foreign policy was not his forte.
|by Anonymous||reply 388||February 19, 2023 4:23 PM|
R384. True, but Illinois is a more conservative state, and it is simplistic to say that Obama wasn't being brave by voting against the war. The other Illinois was a republican and voted for the war. At best your argument makes Clinton sound like a pragmatic politician and not a leader.
|by Anonymous||reply 389||February 19, 2023 4:23 PM|
No, R384/389, Obama didn’t vote against the Iraq War. He didn’t take his Senate seat until Jan. 2005, a couple of years after the vote.
|by Anonymous||reply 390||February 19, 2023 4:26 PM|
R389, she was both. A pragmatic politician, and a leader. I think one of the things a lot of people hold against Hillary was that she was a pragmatic politician. The same way they complain about Pelosi. You have made your feelings abundantly clear. I never said Obama lacked courage. I said he had the luxury of voting his conscience on Iraq. I am sure he experienced some pressure, but it was nothing compared to what Hillary faced and to equate the two is simply painting a false picture.
|by Anonymous||reply 391||February 19, 2023 4:27 PM|
When did she ever successfully lead anything? I don't despise her. I would have voted for her a thousand times over Trump and probably over Carter as well, but there is nothing in her record to indicate that she wasn't a mediocre and inexperienced politician. It could well be that sexism prevented her from gaining the necessary experience, but she lacked it nonetheless.
|by Anonymous||reply 392||February 19, 2023 4:32 PM|
[quote]I was 18 years old and Carter was the 1st person I ever voted for to be the POTUS.
Me too. Unfortunately it was the 1980 election.
|by Anonymous||reply 393||February 19, 2023 4:33 PM|
[quote] I never said Obama lacked courage. I said he had the luxury of voting his conscience on Iraq.
Again, Obama, unlike Hillary, had the luxury of NOTt having to cast a vote on authorizing the invasion of Iraq.
|by Anonymous||reply 394||February 19, 2023 4:50 PM|
Maria Shriver’s social media tribute to Carter made me laugh.
She must have forgotten how much Uncle Ted despised him and primaried him in 1980.
The entire Kennedy family was anti-Carter back then.
When Carter attended the dedication of the JFK Library in 1979, he leaned in and kissed Jackie as he made his way down the receiving line.
Jackie was so startled, her head reeled back like she’d just been bitten and the look of disgust on her face was there for all to see.
|by Anonymous||reply 395||February 19, 2023 5:20 PM|
[quote]I never said Obama lacked courage. I said he had the luxury of voting his conscience on Iraq.
All lawmakers always have that luxury. Many just choose to prioritize other things.
|by Anonymous||reply 396||February 19, 2023 5:28 PM|
[quote]Trump won't attend.
I don't like losers who fail to win re-election, so count me out.
|by Anonymous||reply 397||February 19, 2023 5:29 PM|
Obama was not a US Senator at the time of 9/11.
[quote] he represented the 13th district in the Illinois Senate from 1997 until 2004, when he ran for the U.S. Senate.
|by Anonymous||reply 398||February 19, 2023 5:42 PM|
Yet some people are dumb enough to wonder where Obama was at 9/11.
|by Anonymous||reply 399||February 19, 2023 5:47 PM|
Was Carter into Jim Jones as much as Rosalyn?
|by Anonymous||reply 400||February 19, 2023 6:10 PM|
I found it very strange that such a huge number of African Americans were victims at Jonestown & that Rosalyn, a southern was so into Jones. Struck me creepy at the time & even more so now. Can't remember if Jimmy was also a big fanboy of him or not.
|by Anonymous||reply 401||February 19, 2023 7:12 PM|
They are Baptists. Baptists are pretty culty to begin with. Take a look at all the Evangelicals in Congress.
|by Anonymous||reply 402||February 19, 2023 7:28 PM|
OP Please change the title of your thread to
OBAMA-sad last days
|by Anonymous||reply 403||February 19, 2023 7:29 PM|
He's not like other Presidents. He ..... Fuck it just made sad to read that yesterday.
|by Anonymous||reply 404||February 19, 2023 7:55 PM|
[quote]It wouldn't surprise me if Melania has already decided she won't have a public funeral for Trump.
What makes you think that:
1. He will be going first
2. She will be his last wife.
|by Anonymous||reply 405||February 19, 2023 8:07 PM|
I'd say in both instances, his age, r405.
|by Anonymous||reply 406||February 19, 2023 8:12 PM|
I respect Carter. He will be remembered as one of our finest US Presidents.
|by Anonymous||reply 407||February 19, 2023 9:15 PM|
Pres. Obama knew that all the republicans in Congress hated him primarily because he was black and they couldn't bare having a black man with power. But just as sadly he knew that a sizable percentage of white democrats were unhappy with him being in power as well, for the same reason, because he was black. The only difference the dems at least could put their racist attitudes aside long enough to support what he was trying to do. But it had to play on his mind that there were few in Congress he could really trust, no matter what party they belonged to.
|by Anonymous||reply 408||February 19, 2023 9:31 PM|
[quote]And yes, the Iranians held back to embarrass him. They colluded with Reagan and the people who controlled Reagan.
Basically taking a page out of the Kissinger playbook, as he orchestrated a behind-the-scenes deal with North Vietnam to get them to refuse LBJ's terms, promising them that if they did so, it would lead to Nixon winning the presidency and giving North Vietnam a sweeter deal. It worked as far as getting Nixon into the White House, but then of course he reneged on his secret deal and kept us in the war years longer than we should have been, purposely stretching it all out with his "Vietnamization" scheme.
I'm not sure why Iran colluded with Reagan after that, you'd think that they would be wary of Reagan screwing them over a la Nixon, but they lucked out and he didn't. See: Iran-Contra
|by Anonymous||reply 409||February 19, 2023 10:24 PM|
R373 There is absolutely no way your sister and BIL pay $5000/month for health insurance.
|by Anonymous||reply 410||February 19, 2023 10:28 PM|
[quote]The Soviet Union was rotting from within.
Gee, that sounds VERY familiar.
|by Anonymous||reply 411||February 19, 2023 11:11 PM|
[quote] almond with her inexperience
|by Anonymous||reply 412||February 19, 2023 11:12 PM|
[quote] Jackie had a very full life outside of just being a former First Lady.
Obviously sleeping with elderly ugly men to feather her nest and attending galas with them was exhausting work.
So much more important than building homes for the homeless.
|by Anonymous||reply 413||February 19, 2023 11:15 PM|
She was also a book editor!
|by Anonymous||reply 414||February 19, 2023 11:17 PM|
Oh, spare me the moral high horse, r413.
So what about who Jackie slept with and why.
And yes, Carter is to be commended for his work building homes, Rosalyn right next to him working, too.
|by Anonymous||reply 415||February 19, 2023 11:28 PM|
"Let's see... is it 'i before e, except after c'? I can't remember!"
--Jackie, hard at work editing books
|by Anonymous||reply 416||February 19, 2023 11:29 PM|
[quote]Gee, that sounds VERY familiar.
|by Anonymous||reply 417||February 19, 2023 11:29 PM|
We all have to go sometime, nobody lives forever. At 98, he has long overstayed his welcome. Just think, Ted Kennedy has been gone since 2009 and he would have been a much better President than Carter.
|by Anonymous||reply 418||February 19, 2023 11:35 PM|
Taking a realistic view of Hilary Clinton is always guaranteed to provoke the crazy and stupid elements of the board. It’s similar up any criticism of Princess Diana.
|by Anonymous||reply 419||February 19, 2023 11:37 PM|
[quote]At 98, he has long overstayed his welcome.
What a brainless remark, even for DL.
|by Anonymous||reply 420||February 19, 2023 11:39 PM|
R418. At what age do failed presidents have a duty to die?
|by Anonymous||reply 421||February 19, 2023 11:40 PM|
[quote]Even though Carter defeated Ford for the Presidency, after the dust settled, they both were sent to the funeral of Anwar Sadat and, somehow bonded and became close friends, even frequently visiting each other at their homes.
The eulogy at Betty Ford's funeral was delivered by fer dear friend Rosalynn Carter. You can find it online, it is quite beautiful. I doubt we will ever again see any First Lady delivering a eulogy of another First Lady, especially the one she replaced.
|by Anonymous||reply 422||February 19, 2023 11:42 PM|
Quite possibly the worst president in American history, with an odd affinity towards Yasser Arafat and the Khmer Rouge, who lost to Reagan in 1980 in one of the biggest blowouts in Electoral College history. I think his presidency will always be tarred by the hostage crisis abroad and the fuel shortages/inflation at home. I know liberal democrats who voted for Reagan in 1980. It was that bad.
|by Anonymous||reply 423||February 19, 2023 11:54 PM|
R423. Yeah. Definitely worse than Trump, Bush Jr, Andrew Johnson, etc.
|by Anonymous||reply 424||February 20, 2023 12:20 AM|
R423 I'll think you'll find DJT was quite simply the worst President to ever live
|by Anonymous||reply 425||February 20, 2023 12:23 AM|
R426! At best it’s a tie. Vile as a Trump was, he never caused tens of thousands of people to die in pursuit of his personal vendetta/vanity project/ reelection ploy like Bush Jr.
|by Anonymous||reply 426||February 20, 2023 12:30 AM|
Obama just like Carter was a weak president. You can't forever play the victim race card to distract from your failures. Obama nominated Comey FFS, the guy who delivered the last blow on Hillary Clinton.
|by Anonymous||reply 427||February 20, 2023 12:38 AM|
R427, when did Obama play the race card? If anything, he showed an unbelievable amount of patience.
|by Anonymous||reply 428||February 20, 2023 12:41 AM|
R427. Yeah. I remember the Obama presidency. He talked endlessly about being black! Couldn’t shut up about it! He had to talk all the time about it because his life was one long string of failures . Poor, pathetic black man!
|by Anonymous||reply 429||February 20, 2023 12:41 AM|
Jimmy Carter seems like a really good sort who worked his whole life to make things better for other people.
We need a lot more people like this in our politics.
|by Anonymous||reply 430||February 20, 2023 12:46 AM|
Crazy electoral map compared to today:
|by Anonymous||reply 431||February 20, 2023 12:48 AM|
R426 I guess you're not counting the hundreds of t housands of COVID deaths? Trump is vile and there's no way Jimmy Carter was the worst PResident ever.
|by Anonymous||reply 432||February 20, 2023 12:49 AM|
r429 - You could afford to be more subtle in your trolling.
|by Anonymous||reply 433||February 20, 2023 12:49 AM|
You sound like you're chronically constipated, r423.
|by Anonymous||reply 434||February 20, 2023 12:56 AM|
R433. Not when it comes to dealing with bigots.
|by Anonymous||reply 435||February 20, 2023 12:59 AM|
Dig yourself deeper, r435.
|by Anonymous||reply 436||February 20, 2023 1:05 AM|
R436. Thanks for your advice. Much appreciated.
|by Anonymous||reply 437||February 20, 2023 1:09 AM|
In the 70's he told us the world would run out of oil in 30 years.
|by Anonymous||reply 438||February 20, 2023 1:13 AM|
[quote]I doubt we will ever again see any First Lady delivering a eulogy of another First Lady, especially the one she replaced.
I am looking very forward to giving beautiful you-ugly to dead black vairst letty!
|by Anonymous||reply 439||February 20, 2023 1:17 AM|
If a FLOTUS were to predecease Hillary, I can see Hillary speaking at the funeral.
|by Anonymous||reply 440||February 20, 2023 1:19 AM|
Really, r440? Even Melania?
|by Anonymous||reply 441||February 20, 2023 1:33 AM|
No, Melania will be quickly buried at the same golf course where Ivana Senior was laid to rest. Different hole, though.
|by Anonymous||reply 442||February 20, 2023 1:36 AM|
R438 New tech has discovered new oil fields under deeper ground & water areas since the 70s.
Fracking has helped as well.
|by Anonymous||reply 443||February 20, 2023 1:39 AM|
[quote]Obama gave up on it. Nancy got it in last minute.
Most of what Obama got accomplished during his first two years would not have happened without Nancy's leadership in the House. I'm not a huge fan of elderly people in leadership positions, but there's a lot to be said for experience. Pelosi and Biden had it, while Obama did not and was very much in over his head during his Presidency.
|by Anonymous||reply 444||February 20, 2023 1:50 AM|
[quote]When did she ever successfully lead anything? I don't despise her. I would have voted for her a thousand times over Trump and probably over Carter as well, but there is nothing in her record to indicate that she wasn't a mediocre and inexperienced politician. It could well be that sexism prevented her from gaining the necessary experience, but she lacked it nonetheless.
Hillary was the type of person who had a long resume full of various positions and titles she held, but she never really accomplished much of anything in those roles. I mean, can anyone really name anything specific that she actually accomplished over the years?
|by Anonymous||reply 445||February 20, 2023 1:55 AM|
She was similar to Bush Sr who had spent decades in government but had scant history winning elections on his own. Like her, he ran lackluster campaigns and was an uninspiring speaker. Electorally, he was only effective when he demagogued racial issues and silly cultural issues.
Hillary’s personality and politics are more appealing to me than Bush Sr’s, but she’s cut from the same mediocre cloth.
|by Anonymous||reply 446||February 20, 2023 2:04 AM|
[quote]After her husband’s death. Jackie Kennedy never attended the funeral of a former president or First Lady.
Jackie was a bitch.
|by Anonymous||reply 447||February 20, 2023 2:14 AM|
[quote]Jackie was a bitch.
And hence a DL icon.
|by Anonymous||reply 448||February 20, 2023 2:21 AM|
R432. Even if Trump had followed wiser Covid policies, deaths would still have been high. They were in almost all countries. And there is a difference between following foolish policies and triggering the slaughter of tens of thousands of people to feed your vanity. For those reasons, I think Trump might be our second worst president or tied for the worst.
Why you commented on Carter not being the worst president in response to me. I have no idea since I hold no such view.
|by Anonymous||reply 449||February 20, 2023 2:21 AM|
[quote]They were in almost all countries.
No. They weren't R449. Not in the countries that followed medical science and implemented proper pandemic management measures.
|by Anonymous||reply 450||February 20, 2023 2:23 AM|
[quote]Even if Trump had followed wiser Covid policies, deaths would still have been high.
Not *nearly* as high, r449. Had Trump handled it responsibly, hundreds of thousands wouldn't have died. He is literally responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths.
|by Anonymous||reply 451||February 20, 2023 2:25 AM|
[quote]Even if Trump had followed wiser Covid policies, deaths would still have been high.
But not the highest death rate in the world.
|by Anonymous||reply 452||February 20, 2023 2:35 AM|
Any day now, any day now
I shall be released
|by Anonymous||reply 453||February 20, 2023 3:05 AM|
r423, see my post at r225 and then get back to us.
|by Anonymous||reply 454||February 20, 2023 4:01 AM|
r453, Bette Midler and sadness. I'm crying already.
|by Anonymous||reply 455||February 20, 2023 4:10 AM|
[quote]Jackie was a bitch.
You would be too, if you had to go on assistance.
|by Anonymous||reply 456||February 20, 2023 4:12 AM|
[quote] Quite possibly the worst president in American history
The Camp David Accords, alone, mark quite an amazing legacy.
|by Anonymous||reply 457||February 20, 2023 2:15 PM|
And R457 the first leader to call out the most important issue of our time- climate change caused by fossil fuel combustion. In fact he was criticized by all for his efforts to do something- to warn the oil industry etc. He knew energy independence was not the larger issue.
|by Anonymous||reply 458||February 20, 2023 2:27 PM|
R457, I recall the Emmy Awards, hosted by Alan Alda, being interrupted for the breaking news of the three leaders signing what proved to be a useless document.
|by Anonymous||reply 459||February 20, 2023 3:04 PM|
R457 and R458, thank you. And some very powerful forces internationally, and as far as industry lobbyists were arrayed against him. They wanted to destroy his credibility, make him an object of ridicule, deride him. But he didn't care. Begin's personal history was as a true hardliner. Sadat was literally risking his life. But Carter locked them in at Camp David, and was stubborn and relentless that they should come up with accords which became the framework f or other Middle Eastern countries who had sworn to erase Israel, to instead recognize it. And now we have the POS Netanyahu who belongs in prison.
|by Anonymous||reply 460||February 20, 2023 3:05 PM|
R459 I remember it as the night it pre-empted the premiere of Battlestar Galatica.
|by Anonymous||reply 461||February 20, 2023 3:36 PM|
There are two or three ugly trolls on here determined to wreck the thread. Fuck off you POS asslickers.
|by Anonymous||reply 462||February 20, 2023 3:55 PM|
Turd polishing...Let me Count the Ways.
|by Anonymous||reply 463||February 20, 2023 3:57 PM|
Turd polishers need to report to the W Bush threads.
|by Anonymous||reply 464||February 20, 2023 7:54 PM|
[quote] I remember it as the night it pre-empted the premiere of Battlestar Galatica.
Appropriate. That premiere showing a self-righteous Carter-like peace at any price President agreeing to a fraudulent treaty with a treacherouss enemy who use that naivete to annihilate nearly all his race and take his worlds
|by Anonymous||reply 465||February 20, 2023 8:04 PM|
[quote] That premiere showing a self-righteous Carter-like peace at any price President agreeing to a fraudulent treaty with a treacherouss enemy who use that naivete to annihilate nearly all his race and take his worlds
A "fraudulemt treaty" that's lasted for 45 years. In Israel's first 30 years of existence, Egypt had been her most mortal threat. That ended due to Carter's heroic efforts.
|by Anonymous||reply 466||February 20, 2023 8:20 PM|
Carter had the guts to call out Israeli apartheid and of course he's called an "antisemite"but the usual assholes, because God forbid you ever criticize them. Just hand over the billions unquestioned and pretend they aren't a far-right shithole of racism and bigotry.
All you need to know is Trump is up Israel's ass and Carter isn't. Which man actually lives a genuinely good, Christian life and which one was a born scoundrel and pile of orange dogshit?
|by Anonymous||reply 467||February 20, 2023 8:26 PM|
by* the usual
|by Anonymous||reply 468||February 20, 2023 8:26 PM|
In his post-presidency, Carter incurred the wrath of many American Jews, but his presidency arguably did more for Israel than any other president.
|by Anonymous||reply 469||February 20, 2023 8:35 PM|
[quote] Which man actually lives a genuinely good, Christian life and which one was a born scoundrel and pile of orange dogshit?
Ok, no more hints. Let me guess. I can get this one, Dorothy!
|by Anonymous||reply 470||February 20, 2023 8:37 PM|
I love it that Trump bootlickers like R470 haven't gone into hiding. Please, please keep supporting this man, R470. I'd LOVE a Biden-Trump rematch.
|by Anonymous||reply 471||February 20, 2023 8:50 PM|
Did Rosalyn go to the funerals of the Jonestown victims of her dear friend Jimmy J.or just important, public figures like first ladies?
|by Anonymous||reply 472||February 20, 2023 8:53 PM|
R471, WTF are you talking about? Where in ANY of my posts EVER have I supported TFG?
Don’t worry, I won’t wait.
You fucking asshole.
|by Anonymous||reply 473||February 20, 2023 8:57 PM|
R472 Did Nancy or Ronnie ever go to any of their Hollywood pals funerals when they died of AIDS?
|by Anonymous||reply 474||February 20, 2023 8:58 PM|
[quote] Jackie had a very full life outside of just being a former First Lady.
Yes, essentially as a very wealthy socialite. Pretty much her entire life.
|by Anonymous||reply 475||February 20, 2023 9:02 PM|
R474 Were Nanc & Ronnie besties with them, appearing in photos with them??
|by Anonymous||reply 476||February 20, 2023 9:06 PM|
R476 I recall Rock appearing in some Reagan pics so the Ray Guns could've shown support for this new mystery disease by going to his funeral & helping to reduce the stigma about the illness don't cha think?
|by Anonymous||reply 477||February 20, 2023 9:14 PM|
Rock and Nancy were rivals for the coveted title of "Best Cocksucker in Hollywood."
|by Anonymous||reply 478||February 20, 2023 9:22 PM|
I'm not R474, but yes, Ron & Nancy were "besties" with actors like Rock Hudson whom they later dropped when he publicly had AIDS and died of it. As for your bullshit about Rosalynn Carter being "besties" with Jim Jones, in the mid 70s he cultivated many national and local political figures (e.g. Moscone) and journalists, who saw him at that point as an advocate against racism and inequality—their association with him was not about supporting a mass-murder cult. Geez, the crap you conservatives are willing to spew, as if no one could check the facts.
|by Anonymous||reply 479||February 20, 2023 9:22 PM|
I stand corrected. My comment wasn't about Nancy Regan well known cocksuck your way to fame & fortune kinda gal, but about Rosalyn & her bestie Jimmy J. mass poisoner of African Americans. And I still stand by how creepy from a Southern woman fresh from segregation time to support a mass killer of African Americans. Don't recall seeing any condemnation on this from her.
|by Anonymous||reply 480||February 20, 2023 9:23 PM|
For the umpteenth time ... her name is
|by Anonymous||reply 481||February 20, 2023 9:24 PM|
Still bullshitting, R480? Even the Veritas Project has given O'Keefe the boot (see other thread).
|by Anonymous||reply 482||February 20, 2023 9:25 PM|
You really should do so history reading R480
|by Anonymous||reply 483||February 20, 2023 9:25 PM|
OK..So Rosalynn was friends with a mass killer of African Americans is that better for you.
|by Anonymous||reply 484||February 20, 2023 9:27 PM|
I apologize to you, R473, for misinterpreting your post. We have lots of trolling posts here, so I’m a little on edge. But do you talk to your mother with that mouth?
|by Anonymous||reply 485||February 20, 2023 9:39 PM|
No, r485, I don’t. (Unless she called me a trump supporter, then all bets are off.)
But for you to own up to a simple error made shows me you’ve got class and I was the one wrong about you. So accept my apologies also. You’re actually a good guy.
Ok, I have to go now I think the schmaltz police are knocking on my door.
|by Anonymous||reply 486||February 20, 2023 9:48 PM|
T486. You can definitely question how Israel treats its non-Jewish population but it is far from being the shit hole of the region.
|by Anonymous||reply 487||February 20, 2023 9:53 PM|
Olive branch accepted, R486.
|by Anonymous||reply 488||February 20, 2023 10:43 PM|
Awww, our own little DL accord, in the spirit of Carter.
|by Anonymous||reply 489||February 20, 2023 10:52 PM|
It's like peace in the Middle East.
|by Anonymous||reply 490||February 20, 2023 10:58 PM|
Is he still circling?
|by Anonymous||reply 491||February 20, 2023 11:01 PM|
Jesus, r486 & r488, get a room.
|by Anonymous||reply 492||February 20, 2023 11:04 PM|
[quote] It's like peace in the Middle East.
I’d like a piece from the Middle East.
|by Anonymous||reply 493||February 20, 2023 11:22 PM|
[bold]'Real down to earth': Houstonians who built 100 Habitat homes with Jimmy Carter remember him fondly[/bold]
HOUSTON, Texas — Some Fifth Ward homeowners fondly remember working alongside President Jimmy Carter 25 years ago when Habitat For Humanity built 100 homes in Houston in a week’s time.
Wade and Shalina Gibson are among the original homeowners still living on Hillsboro Street.
Habitat homeowners play a hands-on role in building their homes so the Gibsons and other Houstonians worked side by side with Jimmy and Roselyn [sic] Carter during the massive project in 1998.
"He made us laugh, smile and when time to get serious, time to work, we got to work," homeowner Wade Gibson recalled. "He was a real down-to-earth person, him and his wife, love them to death.”
The Carters began volunteering for Habitat for Humanity in 1984, a couple of years after they left the White House, and continued until 2020.
more at link
|by Anonymous||reply 494||February 21, 2023 1:34 AM|
R494 I had never heard of the organization until Jimmy and Rosalynn started volunteering. I looked into it because of them, and now I am active with them as well. HAve been for 15 years.
|by Anonymous||reply 495||February 21, 2023 4:01 PM|
You’re sweet, r495.
Oh, and thank you!
|by Anonymous||reply 496||February 21, 2023 4:05 PM|
Showtime has a 4 part documentary about Ronald Reagan. I strongly urge anyone who can to please watch it.
|by Anonymous||reply 497||February 21, 2023 5:29 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 498||February 22, 2023 7:23 PM|
Kamala was so let down when she discovered the president going to hospice was just Carter
|by Anonymous||reply 499||February 22, 2023 7:36 PM|
That joke will probably kill when you post it on Truth Social, R499.
|by Anonymous||reply 500||February 22, 2023 8:07 PM|
R499 is a perfect example of the wit of MAGA. Non-existent.
|by Anonymous||reply 501||February 22, 2023 8:22 PM|
I wonder if any of the former Presidents will speak. Carter may have asked for one of his children and the minister. Everyone else can keep their seats. But usually one of the Presidents speaks. Maybe it will be Biden.
|by Anonymous||reply 502||February 22, 2023 11:17 PM|
[quote] I wonder if any of the former Presidents will speak. Carter may have asked for one of his children and the minister. Everyone else can keep their seats. But usually one of the Presidents speaks. Maybe it will be Biden.
And that would be fitting beyond the fact that Biden's the sitting president. Biden was the first senator to endorse Carter's '76 run. And he endorsed Carter over Kennedy (& Jerry Brown) in '80.
|by Anonymous||reply 503||February 22, 2023 11:22 PM|
It will be Biden. Not only is he PResident, he was the first member of the U.S. Senate to endorse Carter. They weren't besties, but they were friendly. Jason Carter will speak for the Carter Center, and if he is physically able, Andrew Young who is now 91 yrs old, and a long time personal friend, will also speak. That's my prediction. The governor will offer condolences as well. It seems JC has outlived most of the other people who could have spoken. Warnock may also speak since he is pastor of Ebeneezer Baptist church, and then we have Rev. Berniece King, MLK, Jr's daughter who ought to have a spot on the program because she is an awesome speaker.
|by Anonymous||reply 504||February 22, 2023 11:49 PM|
Will he be buried at the Carter Center? I swear it's one of the most peaceful places I've ever been. I'm not woo woo, but I swear my blood pressure normalizes there
|by Anonymous||reply 505||February 23, 2023 12:54 AM|
^ I’d be very surprised if he was buried anywhere else.
|by Anonymous||reply 506||February 23, 2023 1:19 AM|
I have no idea what the plan is but I can speculate as well as anyone and my guess is that Jimmy and Rosalynn will be buried in Plains. Now his parents were not buried there.I just checked. And he had his brother Billy and sister Ruth and I imagine they were buried with their spouses where ever. The family is probably in the same general area, but I just don't see Jimmy abandoning Plains and his church. I 'm betting Jimmy will go to Washington D.C. one more time to lie in state so people can go through, as well as members of Congress etc. Then back home for a lying in state at Carter Center, and maybe a religious service. But since he was Governor of GA, they may have him lie in state at the capital in Atlanta, and then back home to Plains. Burial, Funeral, etc. Don't know what they'll do with Rosalynn because I don't see her being able to go to D.C.
|by Anonymous||reply 507||February 23, 2023 1:22 AM|
^ You’re probably right.
|by Anonymous||reply 508||February 23, 2023 1:46 AM|
He is the last President to be eligible to be buried at Arlington.
GA is nice, but he belongs in Arlington.
|by Anonymous||reply 509||February 23, 2023 3:33 AM|
R504, Van Jones, a nephew by marriage, will speak.
|by Anonymous||reply 510||February 23, 2023 5:10 AM|
^ formerly a nephew by marriage.
|by Anonymous||reply 511||February 23, 2023 7:17 AM|
Why does everyone assume Rosalyn won’t be able to attend the funeral? I’m sure President Biden could send Air Force 1 to pick her up, and she’ll have Secret Service agents to assist her, and she’ll have members of her family with her too. It’s not like she’s schlepping herself in coach on a commercial airline all by herself.
|by Anonymous||reply 512||February 23, 2023 10:44 AM|
^ They still have wheelchairs for 90 year olds.
|by Anonymous||reply 513||February 23, 2023 10:48 AM|
I never said Rosalynn wouldn't attend his funeral. I just said I didn't see her traveling to D.C.
|by Anonymous||reply 514||February 23, 2023 11:41 AM|
^And I earlier just posed it as a concern. She is a frail, 95-year old woman.
|by Anonymous||reply 515||February 23, 2023 12:04 PM|
R515, what I’m saying is that things are different when you’re rich and the former First Lady of the United States. Getting around and traveling is a lot easier when you have chauffeured cars, private planes and an entourage of assistants.
|by Anonymous||reply 516||February 23, 2023 12:30 PM|
R511, Yes, but Van is still the father of Jimmy's grandniece and grandnephew and the divorce from Billy Carter's daughter was amicable. He will definitely attend the funeral.
BTW, Van recently became a father for the third time via a work colleague.
|by Anonymous||reply 517||February 23, 2023 1:02 PM|
R515, An extremely frail Betty Ford attended President Ford's DC services, leaning on her military escort with all her might.
Carter delivered Ford's eulogy at his request.
|by Anonymous||reply 518||February 23, 2023 1:06 PM|
[quote] Getting around and traveling is a lot easier when you have chauffeured cars, private planes and an entourage of assistants.
No doubt, but neither Carter made it to Biden's inauguration.
|by Anonymous||reply 519||February 23, 2023 1:40 PM|
R519, It was during COVID.
|by Anonymous||reply 520||February 23, 2023 1:50 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 521||February 23, 2023 2:01 PM|
Yes, R520, but I don't hink they would have attended in normal circumstances, either. Just like a frail Harry Truman couldn't attend LBJ's inauguration, despite LBJ's offering a plane, etc.
|by Anonymous||reply 522||February 23, 2023 2:09 PM|
R521, he’s still with us.
|by Anonymous||reply 523||February 23, 2023 2:36 PM|
Van Jones ? Please. I seriously doubt that opportunist will be invited to speak. That's scraping the bottom of the barrel. They're not at a loss for speakers. There are plenty who take precedence over him. Maybe he can go down to Florida and watch on TV with Jared and Ivanka.
|by Anonymous||reply 524||February 23, 2023 3:21 PM|
They’ll definitely be a prominent Black eulogist. If Andrew Young is too infirm, I agree that Carter’s home state senator, Raphael Warnock will be asked to speak.
|by Anonymous||reply 525||February 23, 2023 5:13 PM|
Jimmy and Rosalynn were also fond of Berniece King, actually the entire King family but Berniece is the one who is carrying on the legacy of her father. Since John Lewis is gone, I think the Carters would invite her since they'd want to honor that part of Georgia's history.
|by Anonymous||reply 526||February 23, 2023 6:36 PM|
R527 you're an asshole.
I was spelling BErnice King's name wrong. But she is the head of the King Center and she is an ordained minister and a lawyer. She's a very impressive woman.
|by Anonymous||reply 528||February 23, 2023 6:51 PM|
I have no idea what r527 said but I guarantee it was idiotic shit. The thread is wonderful when you block these dummies.
|by Anonymous||reply 529||February 23, 2023 7:07 PM|
He’s really hanging in there!
|by Anonymous||reply 531||February 25, 2023 6:18 PM|
Van Jones seems flakey, IMO. He's 54 and suddenly needs to have a 3rd child with a woman friend. I also hate to say this, but he's never with black women, which is OK, but it's incongruous (IMO) with everything else he promotes. His true heart's desire is probably Kim Kardashian or an equivalent.
|by Anonymous||reply 532||February 25, 2023 6:46 PM|
We had my Dad in my home for "hospice care" at the end. We were told not to give him little water and only the provided morphine for his final days. He was gone in four days. Seems Jimmy has better drugs.
|by Anonymous||reply 533||February 25, 2023 6:50 PM|
He might be receiving nutrition, who really knows.
|by Anonymous||reply 534||February 25, 2023 6:52 PM|
He's on a peanut butter drip.
|by Anonymous||reply 535||February 25, 2023 7:22 PM|
[quote] He's on a peanut butter drip.
My favorite meal.
|by Anonymous||reply 536||February 25, 2023 7:30 PM|
My late grandmother was on hospice for five months before she passed.
|by Anonymous||reply 537||February 25, 2023 8:04 PM|
Passed what? The entrance exam to heaven?
|by Anonymous||reply 538||February 25, 2023 8:55 PM|
R538: Really asshole?
|by Anonymous||reply 539||February 25, 2023 8:56 PM|
I thought he'd leave by the end of the week, but now I'm thinking next week, midweek. . A lot depends on whether he is conscious. With my father, we sat there in his room and watched the bag.He had a catheter on and watching both the color of the urine and the amount was key. The nurse would come in every so often and take his temperature and his pulse. They explained it to us that his body was shutting down, and the kidneys were an indicator of how log the process would take. Also, at a certain point his throat was closing or something anyway he couldn't swallow and didn't want food or liquids. We would rub ice chips on his lips or these sponges soaked in water. He stopped talking and seemed to focus on breathing. He was breathing very shallow.
|by Anonymous||reply 540||February 25, 2023 9:52 PM|
Why "sad last days"? That sounds like Daily Mail garbage. Perhaps it's sad for us, losing one of the few U.S. politicians of real character, but the wording implies that there's something pathetic about this wonderful man taking his leave in what likely is quite a peaceful, loving atmosphere.
|by Anonymous||reply 541||February 25, 2023 9:56 PM|
Will Jimmy have a final message for us?
|by Anonymous||reply 542||February 25, 2023 10:02 PM|
R551, see R147.
|by Anonymous||reply 543||February 25, 2023 10:02 PM|
Hope this fucker hurry up and dies! I like him a lot. But I am also a federal worker and the sooner he dies the sooner I get a day off!
|by Anonymous||reply 544||February 25, 2023 10:04 PM|
R544, I worked for the IRS in the early 1970s, and when Truman and LBJ died within weeks of each other, we got two paid days off.
|by Anonymous||reply 545||February 25, 2023 10:10 PM|
Wow! I didn't know federal workers get a day off when a POTUS dies. Good for you guys.
|by Anonymous||reply 546||February 25, 2023 10:13 PM|
I used to work for the IRS too, and when we were doing annual budget planning, we used to consider whether or not a president would die during the upcoming year and create a non-work day we'd have to factor in.
|by Anonymous||reply 547||February 25, 2023 10:17 PM|
R545, these two presidents - both Democrats - died within four weeks of each other in ‘72-‘73, and no Democratic president has died since.
|by Anonymous||reply 548||February 25, 2023 10:33 PM|
Well, once Carter is gone we're left with Obama, Bush 2, and Bill Clinton. The Orange Shitgibbon ought to be the next to go, but he is too vile even for the Devil.
|by Anonymous||reply 549||February 25, 2023 10:34 PM|
Carter will be the fourth consecutive ex-president to die in his 90s. That was true of only two in the first 170 years of the presidency
|by Anonymous||reply 550||February 25, 2023 10:43 PM|
Wow, these presidents have longer than average life spans. Must be the Secret Service and health care.
|by Anonymous||reply 551||February 25, 2023 10:51 PM|
I voted for him twice although I was tempted to vote for Ford. It was my first presidential vote.
|by Anonymous||reply 552||February 25, 2023 11:11 PM|
SAw an interview Carter did with Stephen Colbert just 4 years ago. He was "going on 94." He had just written another book, and he was quick witted and sharp, mentally. I found the interview delightful.
|by Anonymous||reply 553||February 25, 2023 11:21 PM|
^R 553 guess you're easily please. or is it fooled. Or maybe a Kool-aide drinker.
|by Anonymous||reply 554||February 26, 2023 12:49 AM|
Are you nuts, r554? Do you think this interview is a deep fake?
|by Anonymous||reply 555||February 26, 2023 1:22 AM|
With all his misspellings, punctuation, and other errors, it wouldn't surprise me.
|by Anonymous||reply 556||February 26, 2023 1:29 AM|
Yeah, r556. I should have checked that poster's history before bothering to respond.
They have a long line of posting nonsense like that.
|by Anonymous||reply 557||February 26, 2023 1:35 AM|
He is a Russian troll I blocked some time ago.
|by Anonymous||reply 558||February 26, 2023 1:36 AM|
[quote]Just like a frail Harry Truman couldn't attend LBJ's inauguration, despite LBJ's offering a plane, etc.
Hmmmm? Maybe they felt better that summer? During LBJ's administration (July 1965) the Medicare Act was signed and Harry and Bess Truman were the first two Americans enrolled in Medicare. There was a photo op too, but President Johnson may have gone to Independence, MO where they resided for the photo. It looks like DC to me though.
|by Anonymous||reply 559||February 26, 2023 5:07 AM|
Yes. He traveled to the Truman Library.
|by Anonymous||reply 560||February 26, 2023 5:22 AM|
Was Lady Bird heading to a garden party immediately after the signing?
|by Anonymous||reply 561||February 26, 2023 6:45 AM|
I still think it's hilarious Gore Vidal claimed Jimmy Carter as a distant cousin.
|by Anonymous||reply 562||February 26, 2023 6:50 AM|
The hagiography of Jimmy Carter is fascinating to me. He interfered in international affairs going over the head of the President in his own retirement! Jimmy saw the world in black/white, was an arrogant know-it-all, and supremely judgmental.
It says a lot about our country that Jimmy is one of the most moral Presidents — it shows how scummy our politics are. And as others stated, Jimmy was very terse, critical, and just mean. He did, however, aspire to what a President should be. The problem is that a President must *also* be shrewd and move ahead of the Machine. Jimmy’s greatest son was believing that doing the right thing would make him the winner. It doesn’t matter if you have the best policies if your ass isn’t in power. He learned that the hard way.
But he also has balls, much bigger balls than W.
|by Anonymous||reply 563||February 26, 2023 7:12 AM|
[Quote]Wow, these presidents have longer than average life spans.
I actually think Clinton will be next. I really like him, but he looks frail and weak for his age. Even Biden and Trump are more energetic and look healthier. I was shocked when I last saw him speaking at an event. His speech was slurred and he looked old and frail and he's only 76 years old.
|by Anonymous||reply 564||February 26, 2023 11:43 AM|
Didn’t Gore Vidal claim to be a distant cousin to Al Gore and also somehow connected to the Kennedys? Bitch got around.
|by Anonymous||reply 565||February 26, 2023 11:47 AM|
R564 He’s been on the Dean Ornish diet for 20 years, he will “like, literally” never die
|by Anonymous||reply 566||February 26, 2023 12:48 PM|
ha! some guy on pbs was saying that you could live till 120!
who would want to?
|by Anonymous||reply 567||February 26, 2023 1:26 PM|
I liked your post, r563.
I've commented my share on this thread favorable to Carter, but, in the back of my typing fingers, I knew along the lines of what you posted, too.
You put it better than I could.
Lo and behold, like every other human that existed, Carter had his character flaws and assets.
What gets me is this perception of Ronald Reagan, among his fans, that he was somehow so much more effective and "likable" than any other POTUS, when, really, that "folksiness" and charm masked him being a bigoted, incompetent, money-grubbing, servant to the wealthy, asshole.
|by Anonymous||reply 568||February 26, 2023 1:38 PM|
I would love it 🥰 if there’s a huge hush 1 hour into the funeral and the new Carters walk down the center aisle with Jay’s hair all turbulent Basquit and Bey fierce as a rabid pit bull with black sunglasses and Blue giving toxic shade
|by Anonymous||reply 569||February 26, 2023 2:08 PM|
In full shimmering Label Fabulosity
|by Anonymous||reply 570||February 26, 2023 2:23 PM|
[quote]What gets me is this perception of Ronald Reagan, among his fans, that he was somehow so much more effective and "likable" than any other POTUS
Later outdone by all the deplorables who actually believed that Donald Trump gave a shit about their sad little lives.
|by Anonymous||reply 571||February 26, 2023 5:47 PM|
Do we get a day off work when he dies?
|by Anonymous||reply 572||February 26, 2023 6:30 PM|
How many last days are we talking, exactly?
|by Anonymous||reply 573||April 11, 2023 6:37 PM|
R573 43 days, 12 hours and 15 minutes
|by Anonymous||reply 574||April 11, 2023 6:49 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 575||April 11, 2023 7:05 PM|
I wish him and his family much peace and comfort. He was a great man, IMHO.
|by Anonymous||reply 576||April 11, 2023 7:08 PM|
I AIN'T DEAD YET YOU BITCH
|by Anonymous||reply 577||April 11, 2023 7:11 PM|
As I have come to understand it, Hospice care, means he will have a PA or a nurse checking in on him weekly, and he has now made the decision that the only medical care he wants is palliative care. He wants to be kept comfortable. He is very fragile and rushing him to the hospital repeatedly for various health crises, is too much. I wish more older people would put that in their wills. Let nature take its course. I remember when my great uncle stopped eating and my Great aunt asked the doctor if they could run a line to his stomach to feed him. My Great uncle shook his head vigorously to say "Hell no!" Thank God the doctor listened to him, not her.
|by Anonymous||reply 578||April 11, 2023 7:46 PM|
The media made it seem like he was gonna be dead in a week.
|by Anonymous||reply 579||April 12, 2023 4:13 PM|
Sorry for disappointing and inconveniencing you, R579.
|by Anonymous||reply 580||April 13, 2023 7:55 AM|
Bless Rosalyn, she must be going through a lot of changes
|by Anonymous||reply 581||April 13, 2023 10:40 AM|
You’ve got a lot more bigger things for which to apologize than that, R580. Start with the 2016 presidential election.
|by Anonymous||reply 582||April 13, 2023 2:29 PM|
Jimmy's still with us; my Mom was put on hospice.
My brother, urged on by his wife, I have no doubt, was ready to say goodbye; Mom put him in charge of stuff b/c he was the responsible one.
He told me Mom was going on hospice at one point; and the next time she needed care they'd put her on fluids and keep her comfortable. I'm not in favor of a 86 year old woman having transplants and heart surgery but I had to step in and make sure that blood transfusions weren't deemed 'extraordinary measures.'
Anywho, if there's no decline after 3 months, you go off hospice. So...there's that. My Mom, God rest her soul, put on weight and told hospice to fuck off. I had her another year plus but then COVID came and that was it.
|by Anonymous||reply 583||April 21, 2023 3:44 AM|
Jimmy’s milking this.
|by Anonymous||reply 584||April 21, 2023 3:47 AM|
Watch his hospice stay last longer than his presidency.
|by Anonymous||reply 585||April 21, 2023 3:49 AM|
[quote]"A misconception is that the average length of stay in hospice is for the last several days of someone's life," explains Jonathan Fleece, president and CEO of Empath Health, one of the largest not-for-profit hospice organizations in the country. "The average length of stay nationally is in the 60- to 70-day range."
|by Anonymous||reply 586||April 23, 2023 10:59 PM|
I'd be curious to know the stats of people who go on hospice and then come off
|by Anonymous||reply 587||April 24, 2023 12:43 AM|
Me, R587, every Friday evening to Monday morning.
|by Anonymous||reply 588||April 24, 2023 1:37 AM|
Anecdotal and I've posted it upthread, but my grandma went into hospice for 6 months, came out, and survived several more years. She had dementia and I'm not sure what the acute reason was for her entering hospice.
My mom, on the other hand, was in the last stage of cancer, went into hospice and died within a week, IIRC.
|by Anonymous||reply 589||April 24, 2023 5:21 AM|
Barbara Bush refused further medical treatment, went home from the hospital and died the next day.
|by Anonymous||reply 590||April 24, 2023 11:34 AM|
R590, so did Jackie Kennedy.
|by Anonymous||reply 591||April 24, 2023 1:21 PM|
Still going strong.
|by Anonymous||reply 592||May 12, 2023 10:48 PM|
^ Well. still going at least.
|by Anonymous||reply 593||May 12, 2023 10:59 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 594||May 24, 2023 10:24 AM|
Jimmy’s hanging on to make sure Trump doesn’t get back into the White House. He’ll be able to die peacefully next November.
|by Anonymous||reply 595||May 24, 2023 1:32 PM|
Mr. Jimmy just didn't want to be going back and forth to the hospital for every little thing. This is what hospice is, palliative care. Keep the patient comfortable. He's going to just enjoy himself and savor these last days. Good for h im.
|by Anonymous||reply 596||May 24, 2023 1:40 PM|
Hell, I'd still vote for Jimmy Carter over Trump in the election next year.
|by Anonymous||reply 597||May 24, 2023 1:40 PM|
I had a dream about him last night.
|by Anonymous||reply 598||May 24, 2023 1:41 PM|
Sad last months, more like
|by Anonymous||reply 599||May 24, 2023 5:01 PM|
I'm surprised (but glad) he's still around. When he dies, it will be the end of an era -- almost a symbolic close of the 20th Century.
|by Anonymous||reply 600||May 24, 2023 5:04 PM|