Jimmy Carter - sad last days

Very sad, indeed.

Nuts.

Too bad :( Far better guy than Reagan was.

I was 18 years old and Carter was the 1st person I ever voted for to be the POTUS.

His funeral should be interesting.

They say he and Bill Clinton made-up, but somehow, I think negative feelings lingered.

Why sad last days?

He's lived an amazing life of service, industry, faith, and goodness. Even with lust in his heart...

Will Trump attend his funeral?

R4 I think they did

What's the beef between the Clintons and the Carters?

Same, R4. Jimmy Carter was the first person I voted for President.

There is no beef between the Clinton’s and the Carters. Good man winding down after a long life of service- with dignity.

Watching the tension the Trumps have with the Clintons and the Obamas at the funeral should be amazing to watch. Grab the popcorn.

Do they have to invite...that person?

The first person I remember being president.

Sad, I just saw this thread and I got a CNN news flash about President Carter now receiving hospice care.

Damn, what a fine, caring, compassionate man.

😢😢

[quote] I got a CNN news flash

Is it apparently official?

[quote]There is no beef between the Clinton’s and the Carters.

Was there ever? If so, why?

He wanted to get back home and bang with Roz one more time, the famous old issue of Playboy just to the left of her head.

I hope he rests in peace before her rests in peace. I expect he has been and will, since he's an engineer (realist) and also a Christian (faithful fabulist). The combination gave his best traits, and he followed through all his life. But such a brittle personality, too.

Ugh. Always loved him.

The Carter Clinton beef was about Arkansas, when Clinton was a 32 years old first-time governor.

Carter made the mistake of lecturing Fidel Castro on conditions in his prisons. He said if he freed them, they could come to the USA.

Well Castro called his bluff and proceeded to empty his prisons of those alleged to have committed the worst crimes. They had to be federally housed in Arkansas, pissing off Clinton to no end.

I think everybody got over it and let bygones be bygones, but I think there also was a tinge of there wasn't room for two Southern boys to be at the top of national politics.

Very sad.

R15, FWIW, I get that.

I don’t know if everyone will.

Well played.

Thank you, r19. That’s interesting and I didn’t know that.

He’s 98. His health, including his mind, has held up. He’s had a long, happy marriage. We should all be so lucky. We don’t live forever.

It takes some courage to agree to that but it doesn't surprise me that he would choose hospice. They will keep him comfortable. But he doesn't receive his regular meds.

He's 98. He had a good long life.

His funeral has already been pre-planned by him, down to every detail. I wonder if he planned a Washington, DC service?

Trump won't attend.

The military pageantry should be something to see.

President Carter, like George Bush, was a military veteran.

He also had a doctorate in engineering.

Yeah I don’t see trump attending unless the service is held at Mar a lago. On the golf green.

[quote]Trump won't attend.

From your lips to God's ears.

Yeah, R15.

There are headlines on both the CNN and Nbcnews web sites.

R19: Clinton on his last day in office pardoned financier Marc Rich. The pardon was widely criticized and was not recommended by the Justice Department. Carter called it disgraceful and said Clinton disgraced the Office of the President.

I am proud I can call President Carter a (distant) cousin. You did well, sir.

R31, bless your young heart.

You’re quite young.

One of the few, truly good people to enter politics.

[quote]There is no beef between the Clinton’s and the Carters.

Oh, dear.

Hopefully, Carter has already asked Trump not to come to his funeral, like John McCain did.

Sad to hear this. It will be most appropriate if they keep him alive until Monday, and then he died on President's Day. That would really piss Trump off.

Maybe Roslyn can convince Pickles to run him over.

6th cousins. Johannes Valentin Bressler should be proud.

If there was ever a truly honest, decent man as POTUS, Jimmy Carter was that man, and probably the only one.

Carter is right about tRump not being a legitimately elected president.

[quote] Hopefully, Carter has already asked Trump not to come to his funeral, like John McCain did.

Even if he was invited, Trump would eat his own shit before he'd show up at the funeral of a democratic POTUS, or any other POTUS for that matter. He knows he's hated by everyone. He'd be terrified of being assassinated.

I know some people can live a long time on hospice (I know someone who lived a year), but generally, it’s like a day or two right? Or maybe a week?

[quote]The first person I remember being president.

Same here, R32. I was born in 1977, but I remember him being our president. He's a good man who has lived a good life, and I have always held a special place for him in my heart - it won't be easy saying goodbye.

Somewhat related, I inherited an unopened can of Billy Beer from my father.

I dread the day we lose Jimmy Carter. Such a good man.

Trump can't sit still long enough to sit for State funeral.

Probably a week at most R44. Once a patient refuses liquids, death comes in a few days usually.

[quote]He's lived an amazing life of service, industry, faith, and goodness. Even with lust in his heart...

Indeed; he was a prickly guy, full of piss & vinegar up until the end, but there's no doubt that he practiced what he preached & worked his entire life to help others. We should all live such a life

They didn't just send Cuban prisoners to Arkansas. Many of those Cuban prisoners were housed at Atlanta Federal Penitentiary. They set the place on fire while they were there.

Miss Lillian was my favorite Carter. That bitch didn't bow to anyone.

[quote]Even if he was invited, Trump would eat his own shit before he'd show up at the funeral of a democratic POTUS, or any other POTUS for that matter.

Trump went to George Bush's funeral, even though Bush didn't like him.

[quote] He also had a doctorate in engineering.

Pretty sure he didn’t. Maybe an honorary one?

If nothing else, I am grateful that he held on through the Trump years so he could be honored with the funeral he deserves.

I hope he’s not in pain.

He was what Christians profess to be — which is why so many "Christians" hated him. The so-called Moral Majority caught fire after Carter was elected, and we saw odious figures like Jerry Falwell move from pulpit to politics.

You've done well, sir.

R44 For them to announce publicly he's on hospice care today, I think they are really telling the public he is at the evry end. He'll probably be dead by Sunday, Monday the latest (President's Day).

I wonder how Fox will cover Carter's funeral, call him the failed 39th President? I wonder how they'll cover Trump's absence, ignore it?

R47, 😂

[quote] Trump went to George Bush's funeral, even though Bush didn't like him.

That was then. Things are far different for him now. He sees everyone as the enemy now.

[quote]Hopefully, Carter has already asked Trump not to come to his funeral, like John McCain did.

Who does he think he is -- Naomi Judd?

[quote]I hope he’s not in pain.

Don't you know what hospice is, R54? They stuff you full of pain meds if needed. The idea is to keep you comfortable.

r39 Her name is ROSALYNN.

I admire his (and Roslyn’s) legacy of service. I think they worked shoulder to shoulder with volunteers building homes with Habitat For Humanity into their 90’s.

My parents admire him but say that they really struggled during his presidency, with fuel shortages and high interest rates.

Pres. Carter's only degree was a BS from the Naval Academy.

They'll give him the "special dose" in the 'fridge on Monday.

I'm sure Trump would love to attend and speak like he did at Diamond's service.

[quote] Trump went to George Bush's funeral

Yeah, but that was in 2018, and it was the funeral of a former Repub president in DC at the National Cathedral. They made him attend, even though I’m sure that absolutely didn’t want to. There’s no way that tub of lard is leaving Mar-A-Lardo for the funeral of someone who didn’t care for him.

I really can’t imagine him going. He knows that everyone there HATES and despises him.

r63, see r62.

Carter is BEGINNING hospice care, that doesn't mean he's going to go this weekend. In hospice they expect one to expire within 90 days - that's 3 months.

My mom was in hospice for less than a week (before she died).

I think he'll die soon. RIP.

Oh, thanks, R62.

Roslyn is a town on Long Island, I think.

Carter has lived a long, productive life but the news is still is sad. What is even sadder --- A thread talking about Carter receiving hospice has to include irrelevant comments about Trump. Who gives a DAMN about whether Trump comes to the funeral?? This thread should be about CARTER.

[quote]I wonder how Fox will cover Carter's funeral, call him the failed 39th President?

Happening now, the state funeral of Jimmy Carter, the Democrat who led America to disaster in the 1970s. More on that later, but now we address the question on everyone's mind: can senile, doddering Joe Biden be far behind? Joining me now is Dr. Mehmet Oz and Dr. Phil McGraw, along with best-selling author Ann Coulter, for expert commentary and discussion on the pending death of President Biden.

R72 = new to the Datalounge.

I wonder how many newscasters will pronounce Mrs Carter's first name ROZ-LYNN instead of ROSE-LYNN.

Yes, it should be, R72.

Alas, such is Dump's insane narcissism that he intrudes on many a subject. And he will until he's either in prison or deceased.

Enjoy your last days....

Most President's funerals start in DC. Lying in State at the Capitol Rotunda for a day and then a funeral at the National Cathedral. Then flown to their home for burial. Biden will probably offer Air Force One.

He and Rosalynn were married for more than 75 years. I don’t know you could call that anything but winning.

Although, knowing what we know of him, I won’t be surprised if he requested a simple funeral.

Since the founding of Brooks Brothers, they’ve clothed every single President save for two:

-Reagan, who wanted to keep working with his Hollywood wardrobe people.

-Carter, who bought off the rack.

If that doesn’t tell you what kind of a man he is…

JIMMY CARTER shakes hands w EVERY passenger on plane.

He was the first president I voted for who won.

[quote]Even if he was invited, Trump would eat his own shit before he'd show up at the funeral of a democratic POTUS

Here's hoping he does.

And that there's video.

[quote]Who gives a DAMN about whether Trump comes to the funeral??

Everyone at the funeral will care whether Trump shows up or not.

He got a bachelor of science degree from the Naval Academy. He served in the Navy for about 7 years. He left active duty to take over the peanut farm when his father died.

[quote] He was the first president I voted for who won.

Who was the first president you voted for who lost?

God, I wish he'd been re-elected instead of that son-of-a-bitch Reagan being elected. I say this knowing that people think he was a failure as a president and he does comes off as rather weak In Stuart Eizenstat's book "President Carter".

Did you know that he predicted while deciding whether or not the Shah could come to the U.S. for medical treatment that hostages would be taken from the U.S. embassy in Iran if he allowed his admission? (1950's actions coming back to bite the U.S. in the ass) (see Eizenstat)

I view Reagan's election as ruinous and the beginning of a downhill slide for the U.S.

R79, how is Brooks Brothers not off the rack? Or did Brooks Brothers make custom suits for VIP customers?

[quote] My parents admire him but say that they really struggled during his presidency, with fuel shortages and high interest rates.

I wouldn't whitewash conditions in the U.S. in the 1970s but I still feel the same way about Reagan ever being elected.

Didn't he admit he was wrong about us gays? I seem to remember that -- his thinking evolved, as they say, and he admitted he was wrong to condemn us.

R86 I’m younger but remember that period the very same way. I think the Iran hostage crisis was only settled after Carter left office. I remember a lot of wild enthusiasm over Reagan and his economic plan. During his campaign for a second term, school friends bought Reagan Halloween masks and chanted “Four More Years!”.

But I think his Tory has redeemed Carter and will look favorably on him as a leader and as an ethical presence. I hope so.

I think the “downhill slide” you mean includes a lot of smirking jerk pundits like Peggy Noonan, “compassionate conservatives”, thousand points of light. It’s all pretty yucky.

Would be fitting if he died on Presidents’ Day

[quote] his Tory

Margaret Thatcher?

SAD!

Why hasn’t the old guy asked for my hourly rate to make a Presidential Appearance at the funeral?

R92 Ooh, shit. That’s meant to spell “history”. But that’s a freaky pun.

[quote]Or did Brooks Brothers make custom suits for VIP customers?

For the President, r87? What do you think? Also my brother used to work at Sears in D.C. and Roslyn shopped there...well, at least once...but as I remember, it was a few times.

[quote]and Roslyn shopped there

JFC.

[quote] [R79], how is Brooks Brothers not off the rack? Or did Brooks Brothers make custom suits for VIP customers?

Clothing the President is (typically) a bespoke kind of thing.

Meanwhile, before they tightened up security on former presidents, Jimmy and Rosalynn loved going on Royal Caribbean cruises. I’ve heard stories about women who went to exercise classes beside Rosalynn. And she christened at least one of their ships.

^^^ LOL

^ for R96

Brooks Brothers website says they did custom tailoring for Lincoln (tall) and Roosevelt (fat).

Another opportunity for me to play footsie with Michelle Obama at a funeral.

I was at the Carter Museum today. He accomplished so much. Such a peaceful place. It moved me to tears a few times. Now I am really crying.

R95 Who's Roslyn?

What a good man. Very rare these days. Just a sad day for America.

Until recently, Jimmy Carter was Van Jones’ uncle by marriage.

Van was married to Billy Carter’s daughter and had children with her.

R102, MARY!!!!!

[quote] Or did Brooks Brothers make custom suits for VIP customers?

Brooks Brothers still custom makes suits for anyone willing to pay for them, and I doubt that off-the-rack was a thing there all the way from 1818.

Rosalynn Sorry, r96 and r103, I had Long Island on my mind.

I love Jimmy, but God help me, I'm excited for the Larry King thread.

Former First Lady, Dixie, r109...

“Rosalyn, how is Miss Lillian handling the news about her son.”

Pres. Carter only had one degree. A BS from the Naval Academy.

This misspelling of Rosalynn sounds very serious.

R112, are you also R64?

He is 98 years old and counting. Out of all the US presidents since 1900, his was a life best lived.

Thanks for the scoop, Cronkite at r112.

It’s an interesting quirk of history that it’s now been more than 50 years since a Democratic president has died.

R108, you’re cute enough to get a pass from me for your transgression.

One of the worst presidents ever. Well intentioned but so supremely self-righteous he confused his roles of President and Commander in Chief with Sainthood. Leading a major power requires more flexibility.

The fall of the Shaw lands right on Carter's refusal to allow him or his generals to defend the throne. This gave the Ayatollahs an easy target with the result decades of Middle Eastern wars that have killed multiple millions. and are nowhere near the end.

Not to mention Iranian missiles to Putin.

[quote]Who was the first president you voted for who lost?

William Jennings Bryan

To follow-up on R19’s post, Clinton always blamed Carter for his 1980 re-election bid.

I wonder what his response to the AIDS crises would have been if he’d been re-elected from 1980-1984? We know Reagan chose to ignore it.

Per his biographer, Jonathan Alter, Carter’s been blind for several years now.

Like all good Georgians of the day, I imagine Pres. Carter and Mrs. Carter bought many of their clothes from Rich's in Atlanta, and whatever clothing stores they had at the time in Plains.

[quote] The fall of the Shaw

Raymond Shaw?

The daughter of a good friend of mine worked for years at the Carter Presidential Library. She said Pres. Carter was not a man who put up with slackers. He hated to see people sitting around doing nothing while being paid.

I also remember reading many years ago that while he was POTUS he encountered 2 Secret Service agents somewhere in the White House just standing around gabbing. Pres. Carter walked up to them and said "don't you two have anything to do?". LOL

No, r125....Reta.

I hope Mrs. Carter is well enough to attend the funeral.

[quote] Raymond Shaw?

No, Robert Shaw. That damn shark ate his ass.

[quote]The fall of the Shaw

[quote]Raymond Shaw?

No, Robert Shaw. And his downfall was the shark.

Damn you, r129! You beat me by seconds. I NEVER should’ve added the YT link.

No, [R125]....Reta

Taro, Caro, Salamond!

yeah yeah yeah. I caught Shaw on rereading but you can't edit this lousy software :)

He’s lived so long because God doesn’t want Carter up there with him being all holier-than-thou.

If anyone deserves to go to Heaven, it is Jimmy Carter.

Son Jeff. JFK, Jr., he was not.

R119, horseshit. If we don't turn into a fundy theocracy, history will judge him as one of our best presidents. He told corporatists to fuck off, the trilateral commission to get bent and America fired no shots which pissed off the military industrial complex. They repaid the favor with a constant spewing of propaganda that idiots lick up like a dog on cat shit.

[quote] you can't edit this lousy software

If you read your fucking, boring posts before you hit the "Post" key, you wouldn't need the cunting edit feature.

I've had it up to here with you dreary bitches.

Sad day that this man is dying while that evil cunt Kissinger still lives and breathes

Poor Jeff Carter didn't get one iota better looking as he aged.

Seeing as POTUS Carter practically called Trump a traitor and said he was with Putin, and was not legitimately elected, and similar comments at various times...I don't think Trump will attend. It will be in Georgia, and Kemp, the governor is no friend of Trump. Neither is the newly re-elected Secretary of State Raffensperger. Hell, Trump may be dodging a warrant for his arrest. I suspect President Biden will ask that he travel to D.C. to lie in state, at the Capitol, and a service, then return to Georgia. I suspect the main religious service, the funeral will be in Atlanta, and then internment in Plains. I think it will be a day of great preaching and a celebration of a life well lived. I do wonder how Rosalyn will deal without Jimmy. I don't expect her to last too much longer.

[quote]I don't think Trump will attend.

Depends on the spread the widow puts out.

R6 I hope they ban Trump from attending. Jimmy Carter might be the most moral president we have ever had.

He's a goner. Soon.

R144 No shit, Sherlock

R126 LOL LOL LOL

OP, actually the National Enquirer headlines (which the Datalounge meme of your headline comes from) always read "Sad Final Days," not "Sad Last Days."

I remember his family , his Mom Miss Lillian and the drunken brother Billy. Jimmy Carter is proof you can both embrace and live beyond your cultural stereotypes. He wa my first presidential election that I participated in as well.

The Carters still live in the same house they built 73 years ago.

[quote] The Carters still live in the same house they built 73 years ago.

That is certainly a habitat for humanity, tasteful friends.

I'm old enough to remember when Carter was President and the Democratic NorthEast establishment attacked him relentlessly. He was some Southern hick and all the mighty powerful Dems were embarrassed by him. So Teddy Kennedy primaried him because of course, the Democratic establishment belonged to the Kennedys. And we ended up with Reagan. I think the Dems actually preferred Reagan because he didn't have a Southern accent. They were so relieved when midget Dukakis from Boston got nominated. Same thing happened with Bill Clinton who is no doubt the smartest President we've ever had, whatever his record. He was constantly being ridiculed with his dumbass Southern accent. During his first campaign when he beat the Dem establishment's Chosen One Tsongas (remember him? nobody does), the liberal media was ripping Clinton to bits more than the Republicans did.

This is why the Democratic Party is incapable of making in-roads in the South: it's still run by a bunch of elderly Northern elitists and if you're not from NY, Boston or California, you're nobody.

Also, my first presidential vote, although I didn't like him. Didn't like him any better during his presidency & supported Ted Kennedy in '80. But I ended up volunteering for him on election day.

Bless him.

Perhaps not the right man for the specific time and/or specific battles, but a great statesman nonetheless and the most moral President we have had, or will ever have.

If there is a christian god, I am thankful that Carter will be passing while Biden is President.

The thought that a corrupt, filthy, evil man like Trump could be there makes me sick to my stomach.

May flights of angels sing thee to thy rest.

[quote] Same thing happened with Bill Clinton who is no doubt the smartest President we've ever had, whatever his record.

Smarter than Lincoln and FDR? No.

As to whether Trump would attend, I don't think his presence at the Bush funeral sets a precedence. Trump was president at the time, so he was pretty much obligated to attend.

The Dems are going to need another Carter or LBJ. soon but the limousine libs won’t allow it.

I’ve never heard anyone else say Bill Clinton was the smartest POTUS. Was he dumb like George the 2nd? Far from it.

[quote] Smarter than Lincoln and FDR? No.

FDR?!? He was famously said to have a "second-class intellect." With "a first-class temperament."

Not a good president but he's a great man. My aunt worked building houses with Carter for Habitat for Humanity in Georgia.

And why are people bringing Trump into this thread? I swear some of you need to seek psychiatric help for your obsession with Trump.

The only president who seems like a decent person and not like a sociopath. He will be missed but he’s lived a long and great life.

[quote] And why are people bringing Trump into this thread? I swear some of you need to seek psychiatric help for your obsession with Trump.

Especially since, in shame, he's gone into voluntary exile from public life.

[quote]And why are people bringing Trump into this thread?

Ask Meghan McCain about her father's funeral.

He was the best post-presidency statesman this country has ever seen. A truly humble man with generosity of spirit. Godspeed Mr. Carter.

[quote] And why are people bringing Trump into this thread?

Yeah, it's not like we're talking about another fellow former president, a most exclusive club.

His mother Lillian said: "When I look at my children, I say to myself, Lillian you should have remained a virgin." She also said, I" love all my children, but some of them I don't like." I also heard she said to Jimmy when He told her they wanted him to run for President, she said, President of what?

You do the math. Guess ole' Jimmy wasn't all that. Truth in Jest & all.

"He could not attend President Biden’s inauguration in January 2021, when former presidents traditionally convene, but Mr. Biden made a pilgrimage to Plains in April of that year to pay his respects, the first sitting president to visit Mr. Carter at his Georgia home."

Aww, that's class move, President Biden.

I'll come to you. You don't have to come to me.

One of the best presidents we’ve ever had.

[quote]And why are people bringing Trump into this thread? I swear some of you need to seek psychiatric help for your obsession with Trump.

It's a tradition that former Presidents attend the funerals of fellow Presidents. Why do you think it's obsessive to bring him into the conversation, r160? Jimmy was outspoken on Trump so he's very much germane to this discussion.

One of three future presidents to appear on WML.

R137, may ask your age? It's 42 years after Jimmy Carter's presidency, and history should have already have made its favorable judgement. It hasn't.

I like Carter, but was pissed when under his administration they brought back Selective Service registration. Afghanistan and Russian bullshit way back then.

Also, the hostages in Iran were I think released the same day Reagan was sworn in and Carter was out. A coincidence? Hmm.

President Carter had solar panels installed on the White House. Reagan immediately had the panels removed. Class vs trash.

Son Jeff at R160 looks even more like Eleanor Roosevelt than his father does.

No coincidence, r173. A republican grift.

Jimmy Carter is a remarkable human being.

[quote]Not a good president but he's a great man

That about sums it up.

At 18 I campaigned for and cast my first presidential vote for Jimmy . Never regretted it.

Tots & Pears

The only way Trump could make this about himself is if he were to drop dead. I’d pay attention.

My memory of Carter was that I voted for him in 3rd grade class against a Lutheran majority when the Weekly Reader featured his photo. I wrote a letter and The White House responded with an awesome form letter.

[quote] Also, the hostages in Iran were I think released the same day Reagan was sworn in and Carter was out. A coincidence? Hmm

It was all out of spite on the part of the Iranians. It was no endorsement of Reagan.

Sorry to hear that his time on earth is coming to an end, but it was a long life, well lived. We need more people like him. A truly good person.

He signed legislation that let millions of Vietnamese refugees resettle in the States. A humanitarian.

After his presidency ended, President Carter wrote poetry and volunteered to build homes for low income Americans. A CLASS ACT. DIGNITY.

Maybe Fanni Willis has a subpoena ready to have served if Trump tries to enter Georgia.

Well, after what's his name lost the election, he fomented a terrorist attack against Americans, ran off with classified documents and had one of his baby mamas buried in a golf course. In New Jersey.

R4

Me too. I was in college and voted by absentee ballot.

[quote] released the same day Reagan was sworn in and Carter was out. A coincidence? Hmm.

No coincidence at all. Just a well timed final humiliating slap to the face of the man they saw as a weakling

Disastrously unlucky president. Brilliant ex-President. Fine human being.

I'm interested in body language and the way the former POTUSes and FLOTUSes interact with each other. I don't think Trump and Melania will show up. He knows nobody likes him (not even Bush the 2nd). Whenever Trump is around, people interact with each other and ignore him. As foul and toxic as Trump is, I think he's sensitive to being iced out. Do I care about his feelings? No.

So the Clintons, The Bushes, and the Obamas will attend.

I think there's a chance that Jimmy wrote out his own sermon for the day.

When did we last see Amy Carter in public?

[quote] When did we last see Amy Carter in public?

With or without a bag over her head?

[quote] He knows nobody likes him (not even Bush the 2nd).

He detests Trump.

I remember being in grade school & being forced to watch the Ford & Carter debate in '76 & I supported Carter.

I also remember being in middle school & being forced to watch the Carter & Regan debate in '80. I was so scared of Reagan. I thought of him as a mean guy & hoped he would lose but it wasn't meant to be.

Carter's AIDS policy would've been a million times better because he would've mentioned the disease & not laughed in public over an AIDS joke like RR did.

Mika Brzezinski. whose father was Carter's national security advisor, was a childhood friend of Amy's.

Jimmy Carter, at 98 the oldest living former president, has chosen to spend his final days at home in Plains, Ga., in hospice care after a series of brief hospital stays, the Carter Center announced Saturday.

Carter “has the full support of his family and his medical team,” the center’s statement said of the decision made by the onetime peanut farmer and engineer who rose to become the United States’ 39th president for one term from 1977 to 1981.

Carter has overcome serious health problems, including in 2015 when he was diagnosed with melanoma that had spread to his liver and brain. After treatment, doctors said he defied the odds, and Carter announced later that year that he was cancer-free.

Saturday’s announcement from the Atlanta-based Carter Center did not specify whether his cancer had returned or whether another health condition prompted his decision that he was ready for hospice rather than continuing medical care.

Jason Carter, a grandson, wrote on Twitter late Saturday afternoon: “I saw both of my grandparents yesterday. They are at peace and — as always — their home is full of love.” He thanked well-wishers “for all your kind words.”

Friends and others close to the family have said Carter’s health has been in gradual decline in recent months. He now uses a wheelchair to get around, while his wife, Rosalynn, 95, uses a walker. In recent weeks, Carter has asked to get out and about in Plains, and the two have gone for car rides, driven by their Secret Service detail.

Hospice is a form of care for people near the end of life and largely is intended to make patients comfortable and provide support to them and their families once they have chosen to suspend treatment. Hospice typically accepts patients if they are expected to live no more than six months, but some people survive significantly longer.

A peanut farmer has less status than a b actress. Reagan started the decline of America with his low class bs.

No one acknowledges that because of Carter's decision, men over 18 had to sign up, or maybe not, sign up for a possible draft? At least they didn't bring it back. This was only like 5 years after they had stopped doing so after the Vietnam War ended. Kinda sucked.

I liked him otherwise - nice, smart man generally. Crap going on in the Middle East which probably benefitted Republicans ended his bid for re-election and made him seem ineffective. Probably the best and most effective ex-President ever, doing so much good work with things like Habitat for Humanity.

So he won't be dying fighting an oil rig fire in the Gulf of Mexico?

[quote] No one acknowledges that because of Carter's decision, men over 18 had to sign up, or maybe not, sign up for a possible draft?

R172 does.

If Trump had any sense (which he doesn't), he'd want to attend and appear alongside the other dignitaries.

I guarantee every other living President and representatives of the other families will attend.

Could still happen, Rose @ r200.

Trump is closer R200.

I will forever blame him for the Iranian Revolution because he could have prevented Khomeini taking over and plunging the country back to the middle ages, by supporting the Shah. But overall he was a decent guy who was daring enough to rightly say that if there was an investigation into the 2016 election it would show Hillary Clinton had won.

The solution to the AIDS crisis in the early 80s would have been for gay men to stop screwing around, which meant that any effective AIDS policy would have involved getting gay men to stop screwing around. Such a policy would have included public officials going on television and radio to tell gay men to stop screwing around. It’s probably easier to herd cats than it is to get gay men to stop screwing around. I doubt either Carter or Reagan could have done much to stop the spread of AIDS.

Like others have said, he was the first president I voted for as well. I remember feeling so excited and proud.

R206 Carter would've asked for more research money than the awful low 5 million (a drug of any kind can cost from 100 to 125 million) that was proposed in a budget from Congress (this was in the first few years of the disease).

Carter would've used the bully pulpit to pressure the medical community to treat the AIDS patients with humanity (something Reagan could've cared less about in his 2 terms).

Many friends /relatives tell stories about how doctors & nurses refused to touch them or to ask them necessary questions. Reagan spent this time backing Nancy's pet psychic behind the scenes & her China patterns in public.

Will he die on Presidents' Day?

206 is making shit up.maga does this.

I eat piles and piles AND PILES! of maggot infested shit!

Didn't the worst of AIDS occur after what would have been Carter's 2nd term?

[quote]Also, the hostages in Iran were I think released the same day Reagan was sworn in and Carter was out.

You think?!

If only there was somewhere you could look facts like that up. I hope one day they come up with something like that where it’s right at your fingertips.

(It was about 2 minutes after Reagan was officially sworn in!)

President Carter is a good man. I hope his lady days are blissful and pain free.

R206 Reagan didn't protect the blood supply so Ryan White & others got infected. Carter was a behind-the-scenes hands on meddler in everything (which is exactly what the nation needed to combat the AIDS crisis). Things could've been much different then what we got.

How can any of us forget how S. General C. Everett Coop had to show a bogus AIDS pamphlet to the Reagan WH folks & then mail a facts based one (that included gays) to every household in America. He risked his job by doing so but facts based Carter would've been more open minded in the first place. He didn't sugar coat things the way other "leaders" that followed him did.

^^^last, not lady.

R206. Solving the welfare problem would have involved yelling straight people to stop screwing around. But it’s easier hearing cats than stopping straight people from screwing around.

[quote]Things could've been much different then what we got.

Oh, dear!

R193 It won't let me link directly to it, but Amy was out and about 2 years ago at her parents' 75th wedding anniversary.

I worked on Carter's campaign, went to his inauguration and met him twice. Met Rosalyn once. Here's the thing. Jimmy was ahead of his time. He was outstanding on human rights and the environment. He had a kick ass urban policy which was developed in close consultation with the big city mayors who had to implement it, and he was right on target when it came to Russia. Now his problem is that he didn't know how to delegate things, and he definitely didn't understand how to deal with the D.C> prima donnas in Congress. He brought his own team into the WH. Hamilton Jordan, Jody Powell, etc. Jordan was his Chief of Staff.. They used to refer to the Carter White House as the Georgia Mafia. They didn't know their way around, and alienated a lot of people. And of course the PRess was always on their asses because the press elites were part of the Georgetown establishment. Clinton learned from Carter's ineptitude. He cultivated Georgetown, and didn't blow off their dinner invitations the way Carter had.

I hope he has chosen to be buried in Arlington.

The last President of the Greatest Generation's Navy.

He deserves all honors.

[quote] Reagan spent this time backing Nancy's pet psychic behind the scenes & her China patterns in public.

And winning the Cold War

R220, you’re absolutely right. In fact, Clinton would make sure all of his interns knew not to blow people off but instead do the opposite by being warm and inviting in their blowing.

R220 Agree with your post, and unfortunately I don't think Obama learned from his mistakes as he repeated some of them.

What Obama was able to do in his own circle and with his own people didn't always help or gel with the downticket folks or the Dem party overall.

Can we all agree that fighting inflation was something that HAD to be done sooner or later, and while those high interest rates wreaked havoc on the economy, we had to let off steam like a pressure cooker? Jerry Ford had inflation (remember Whip Inflation Now?) and what did he do to stop the inflation? Reagan would never admit it, but great timing was a HUGE thing for him.

[quote] Do they have to invite...that person?

Yes but he doesn't have to attend.

R222 Gorbachev said in his '96 book that the Chernobyl nuclear disaster sealed the Soviet Union's fate (not Reagan).

It cost $235 billion (in 1980s dollars) & many lives plus the environmental impact which continues to this day =

The living presidents except for Trump seem to go to all the ceremonial events. They purposely leave Trump out

[Quote] I think the Iran hostage crisis was only settled after Carter left office.

Actually Carter’s negotiations allowed the hostages to go free …on Reagan’s Inauguration Day. And Reagan took ALL the credit.

There are still strong rumors that the GOP made sure they were held until Inauguration Day

I don't think there's going to be any discussion about Trump being at the funeral. The Carter family thought he was vile. He will be informed that his presence is neither required nor desired.

r4 What did he fall out with Bill Clinton over?

.....

[quote] It takes some courage to agree to that

When you get older - much older - you will be surprised how easy this decision is to make.

Not the Marc Rich thing again.

It's not true that all DOJ was opposed to the pardon. By the time Clinton pardoned Rich, the law had changed and they were no longer prosecuting those acts as criminal offenses but rather they were being prosecuted as civil offenses. I was also at first annoyed by the pardon but when I learned the reason for the pardon I understood. It was the correct decision.

I am very sad for Jimmy but he had a fabulous life.

R232, why did you post "....." about a minute after the prior post?

A great man. The first President I voted for when I became of age. He truly walked the walk.

R234, you never heard of a butt post?

[quote] The Carter family thought he was vile. He will be informed that his presence is neither required nor desired.

The Bush family thought similarly of Trump, but believed that a president couldn't be denied an invite. Whether that would've applied to a former president may be another matter.

Bush was a republican. No way Trump would attend the funeral of a democratic president.

^ Trump considered himself a dem within the past 20 years & even

donated to Hillary's Senate campaign & also gave money to Schumer.

[quote] And winning the Cold War

This bullshit again? Reagan didn't win the cold war.

The Soviet Union was rotting from within. It was only a matter of time as to when The Berlin Wall would fall and it wasn't pushed by Reagan.

Although that old bigot Reagan would, of course, be granted credit, when he didn't earn it, and claim it.

[quote][R234], you never heard of a butt post?

Idk about him, but I haven’t.

WTF is a butt post?

[quote] Bush was a republican. No way Trump would attend the funeral of a democratic president.

To Trump, Bush was worse than a democrat. He was a RINO.

[quote]WTF is a butt post?

It's when George Santos posts online.

Jimmy Carter had a good long life.

Reagan's campaign boys conspired with the Iranians to keep the hostages from being released before the election . It's called The October Surprise.

He is one of our only presidents who didn't order shots to be fired and didn't use peace as a dirty word. Of course he's reviled by the corporatist warmongers

lmao at r138

I wonder if Jimmy ever forgave Rosalynn for her relationship with John Wayne Gacy?

It's shocking that just 5 years after Nixon, Americans voted in a republican president again. Carter was just too weak and not shrewd enough to see through all the dirty tricks in Washington. Something essential to a good and successful presidency. You got to eat them before they eat you!

R225 Re inflation. Carter appointed Paul Volcker as chair of the Fed. He's the guy whose policies finally brought inflation under control, although it was painful. I'll give Reagan credit for reappointing him when his first opportunity to appoint a Fed chair came around. (Alan Greenspan followed)

I read something interesting a number of years ago stating that 1970s inflation was created by LBJ's combination of domestic spending (Great Society) and spending on the Vietnam war. Basically stating, I guess, that it was the result of wanting to have both guns and butter. Don't know if it's a valid view, but something interesting to examine. Doesn't seem to account for high oil prices as a contributor. (If it weren't for the Vietnam war LBJ would have been a great president. I know that's an awfully big if.)

[quote] I wonder if Jimmy ever forgave Rosalynn for her relationship with John Wayne Gacy?

Coming on the heels of her relationship with Jim Jones?! Miss Lillian didn't raise no idiot.

R39 is classic DataLounge.

I took a 300-level economics class during college: Money and Banking. IIRC, our professor told us that Carter played the game all wrong. Professor said that the incumbent president needs to manipulate the interest rate __X__ amount of months before the election. By election day, the effects of the interest rate have kicked in and everybody thinks you're doing good as POTUS and you get reelected.

I forgot if the incumbent POTUS is supposed to increase or decrease the interest rate. Probably decrease.

When Gerald Ford died, I learned something that surprised me.

Even though Carter defeated Ford for the Presidency, after the dust settled, they both were sent to the funeral of Anwar Sadat and, somehow bonded and became close friends, even frequently visiting each other at their homes.

I know that Ford pardoning Nixon is universally reviled, but I think Ford did the right thing.

Bill Clinton stated that, at the time, he was deeply set against Ford's pardon of Nixon, but he looks back now and says it was the right thing to do.

Ford seemed like he might have been a decent man, despite being a Republican. He seemed very respectful of his wife.

Carter was a well known micromanager as though he did not trust the people he hired to do their jobs well. Both houses of Congress were under Democratic control, both houses had Democratic super majorities during Carter's first two years. Inflation had been out of control for several years but Congress and Carter could not agree how to manage fiscal policy to help mitigate it. In my view, this was the foundation for Carter's defeat in 1980.

The international embarrassment of the Iran Hostage Crisis was his ultimate undoing. Carter was decades ahead of the cutting off of foreign despots era, but it cost him and the country. He could easily have continued decades long support for the Shah and worked quietly on how to transition to a democracy. But like most things, Carter saw right and wrong, with no in between. In a few short months, the Shah was deposed, a caretaker government was installed then dismissed, and an ayatollah took over. Carter's handling of the crisis – not campaigning in 1980, basically locking himself up inside, squelching proposals from the CIA and foreign entities to intervene – guaranteed his loss in 1980. He came off as weak and ineffectual.

The first presidential candidate I voted for was Walter Mondale, though I knew from the get-go that it was a losing ticket.

[quote] I forgot if the incumbent POTUS is supposed to increase or decrease the interest rate. Probably decrease.

To tamp down inflation interest rates need to be increased.

What's sad about someone happy to die so he can go to see Jebus?

He won't be around for his disappointment and neither will we!

Agreed, r254

I left out the juiciest part in my post at r253.

It's said that, among the reasons for the bond between Ford and Carter was their shared, deep dislike of Saint Ronald Reagan.

Thanks, R256. Economics was not my strong point.

[quote] I know that Ford pardoning Nixon is universally reviled, but I think Ford did the right thing.

Not universally reviled in history. Although the Trump example has caused many to revisit their reassessments.

[quote] It's said that, among the reasons for the bond between Ford and Carter was their shared, deep dislike of Saint Ronald Reagan.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

[quote] One of his [Carter's] greatest achievements, he felt, was that the United States did not fight against any countries during his presidency. Aside from the eight people who were killed during a hostage rescue mission during the Iranian Revolution, no American or any other national was killed under the banner of an American war.

R255, he got the hostages freed

I'm no fan of Trump, R262, but couldn't the same be said of him, too?

He had a good run. Ruined Afghanistan and started a decades long war that led to the death of millions on the advice of that piece of shit cold warrior Zbigniew Brzezinski, but also built a lot of houses, monitored a lot of elections, and killed a lot of Guinea worm. Didn't nuke Iran for the sake of a shitty corrupt US lackey. A decent guy. One of the few presidents I could say that of.

no, r264

Trump caused a domestic war when he sent his Flying Monkeys to try to loot my vote that was symbolically stored at the US Capitol on January 6th.

The good usually die young. We were lucky to have him for such a long time. I'm sure Rosalynn will follow him shortly. He did quite a bit as president if you look it up.

Will Caroline Kennedy come to the funeral as a representative of her presidential family? Tricia Nixon & Susan Ford always attends these gatherings on behalf of their families. Ron Reagan & Patti Davis can't be bothered.

I wonder if Rosalyn is too frail to travel to DC, assuming Carter lies in state and some kind of service is held there.

Perhaps she'll stay in Georgia, while her children represent the family in DC. then be at his funeral when his body, or ashes, come back from DC.

I hope she doesn't travel. She's too frail.

[quote] Will Caroline Kennedy come to the funeral as a representative of her presidential family? Tricia Nixon & Susan Ford always attends these gatherings on behalf of their families. Ron Reagan & Patti Davis can't be bothered.

How far back does the tradition extend? Do the heirs of Truman and FDR and Hoover attend presidential funerals?

The Carters in the land of the giants.

[quote] How far back does the tradition extend? Do the heirs of Truman and FDR and Hoover attend presidential funerals?

No. Just the children of former presidents are invited.

Wonder why the current Evilgelicals hate this man?

Think the current crop of Evangelicals will piss on his grave.

In real time, Jimmy Carter, notwithstanding the ever-present campaign smile, was known to be quite mean & prickly. And intensely ambitious.

R273 & 274, Carter is recognized as the first evangelical president.

I didn't realize that Tricia Nixon and Susan Ford were attending funerals on behalf of their fathers (former POTUSes). I also didn't realize that Ron Reagan Jr. was still alive (and blowing off funerals).

Carter apologized multiple times for giving power to evangelicals

That gives a nice sense of continuity, r277.

[quote]It's 42 years after Jimmy Carter's presidency, and history should have already have made its favorable judgement. It hasn't.

That's not how it plays out. That's not how it played out with Nixon, Ford, Reagan or Bush. History made its favorable judgment on each of these Presidents AFTER they passed away. Especially on Ford, who was the the most controversial - suddenly, he was a hero for pardoning Nixon (once Ford died). Once Carter is six feet under, history will be very kind to him and look at his presidency in a favorable way.

I'm calling it now - his wife of 75 years will be dead within months after his passing. Definitely by the end of the year.

Let's not forget - Trump was not welcome to Barbara Bush's funeral some 7 months before her husband's. She publicly loathed Trump and made it clear in her prepared funeral plans he was not welcome.

So Trump won't go, but he may send Ivanka and Jarhead. Like he did for McCain's funeral.

Calling it Now - Sunny Hostin will say she's good friends with the Carters. Barbara Walters will make a ghostly appearance on The View the day after he dies, and say she regrets asking Carter to 'please be gentle with us', as though Americans were a country of village idiots, in her 1976 interview.

Any women in the cast of a 'Real Housewives' series would kill to have Jeff Carter's lips - and they pay dearly for them. Ask Lisa Rinna. Jeff can suck a lemon all the way in Sicily while he's standing in Atlanta - that's how big them lips are.

R253 When Reagan sent the three ex presidents to Sadat's funeral as Bob Dole watched Carter,Ford,Nixon walk by he said:

'There goes : See No Evil, Hear No Evil and Evil."

Tricia Nixon & Susan Ford, along with LBJ's daughters, at the Bush funeral.

I believe that, r275.

I've read credible accounts of people who knew and worked with Carter that he could demonstrate a mean streak.

Iirc, when there were hard feelings between Clinton and Carter, Clinton complained about Carter benefitting from his false public image of the pious, but nice, Sunday School teacher, when the Carter he had to deal with could be mean as a snake.

[quote] It's 42 years after Jimmy Carter's presidency, and history should have already have made its favorable judgement. It hasn't.

In the 42 years - & beyond - after his presidency, Wilson was acclaimed as one of our greatest presidents. Always ranked in the top 5 by historians. Not any longer.

Carter claimed to be the only president ever to read the entire 10,000 pages of the United States Federal Government's Fiscal Budget. Which explains a lot as to why his presidency failed.

Since her mother died, Caroline has made it a practice of going to the funerals of most of the former First Ladies, Lady Bird, Nancy & Barbara. She didn't attend George HW Bush's funeral.

Wilson

I'd be interested to read a mainly *quantitative*, comparative analysis of the former POTUSes. Yes, of course, personality matters, because it affects how much cooperation you can get with Congress & other world leaders. Yes, I realize party (D or R) is the main factor as far as cooperation, but still.

[quote] So Trump won't go, but he may send Ivanka and Jarhead. Like he did for McCain's funeral.

It's reported that there is a deep rift now between Trump and the Kushners.

Being the vindictive SOB Trump is, he probably won't send them, assuming he's even invited, knowing they'd seize the opportunity to perhaps try to repair their social standing by seeing, and being seen there. That's how Trump rolls.

I'm not arguing with you, r280, but my understanding is that NONE of the Trumps were invited to McCain's funeral. It was reported that the Kushners were there because Senator Lindsey Graham picked up the phone, called Cindy Mccain, and badgered her to allow them to come, he wore her down, and she gave in.

Talk about chutzpah. I wouldn't go near any social event if an immediate family member was publicly barred from it. That didn't stop the Kushners.

Tricia Nixon got her father's homely looks. Thoughts and prayers for her.

That was really weird when Ivanka and Jared showed up at the McCain funeral. They were akin to party crashers. I would've been embarrassed, but Ivanka did all kinds of things and never seemed embarrassed. By "all kinds of things," I mean show up at the G20 and try to be on par with the world leaders.

[quote]No. Just the children of former presidents are invited.

How about grandchildren? Can they go?

[quote] Tricia Nixon got her father's homely looks. Thoughts and prayers for her.

She sure did evolve into that. But it wasn't the case when her father was president. She was regarded as the pretty one.

R289 Thanks for explaining that - I forgot Lady Lindsay played a big part in getting the Kushners there. I know Meghan McCain made it very clear when she returned to THE VIEW that Trump and the Kushners were not invited - at least not by her and her siblings. Meanwhile, the press was reporting Lady L was calling Cindy and asking her to intervene.

[quote]That didn't stop the Kushners.

Grifting pigs.

Just keep Trump's filthy mouth out of this thread

Oh, and one last thing about the McCain funeral. The Kushners were seated right next to Chelsea Clinton. I recall reading from a spy, that those 3 never acknowledged the presence of the other.

That whole "Chelsea and Ivanka are good friends" stuff always was BS.

As a high schooler I recall how wildly popular Mr Peanut was with us kid. Jimmy was the breath of fresh air that was going to clear out the corrupt stench of Nixon and his flunky dummy Gerald Ford. When he and Rosalyn got out of the limo and walked hand and hand down Pennsylvania Ave the media lapped it up The peoples president!.He was pardoning the draft dodgers from that awful war. He would heal America and peace and joy would rule the stars. Just 18 months later Carter was the "Amazing Shrinking President" Besides the obvious daily torture of the hostages and the crushing double digit inflation ( paid 18% on my first car loan).His own Democratic congress would blocked him. Tip and Teddy held him in abject contempt and refused to play ball. My Dad who had voted for him and admired him as a fellow naval officer could no longer stand his sanctimonious lectures, orange Mr Rodgers sweaters, and "malaise" homilies. Why he agreed to debate an old media pro like Reagan I'll never know. Carter was the worst public speaker. He tended to just let his sentences trail off into the ether. After the debate Dad said Ronnie looked "like the cat who swallowed the canary". 'Well there ya go again" and sure enough Mr Peanut went.

Carter blamed Ted Kennedy for blocking his plan for National Heath Care as revenge by Kennedy for defeating him in the primary. The Kennedy's loathed Jimmy Carter. They got on far better with Reagan. Jackie almost plotzed when Mr Peanut dared to kiss her. Lèse majesté!

Jimmy should have slipped her a Benjy. Worked for me.

I've waited decades, but at last, REVENGE WILL BE MINE!!!!

BWWWWAAAAHAHHHAAAHAHAAAAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!!

With the Ayatollah, Ronnie, Tip, the Kennedy's and Bugs Bunny all with their knives out it's a wonder Carter made to four years. These days impeachment would be filed at 12 months.

The Imperial Presidency was kaput. It was a whole new media ball game. My parents were shocked and appalled when they saw this on the front page.

I was hoping he’d make it to 100. I guess we’ll just have to wait on Trump - with his amazing genes - to become our first centenarian president. And hope that he keeps wining his party’s nomination, only to lose in the general.

If FDR and LBJ were the furthest left Presidents of the 20th century and 21st centuries, Carter was probably next, no? I get that the general judgement of historians is that he wasn't equal to the challenges of his Presidency but at least his heart was somewhere in the rightish place. Maybe there will be a revisionist bounce in his reputation after death.

Yes, of course Trump will come. Trump wants to be taken seriously as someone who held the office of President. And actually, he probably hated Carter less than Obama, the Bushes, or the Clintons. In fact I remember reading he called him for advice on China once.

How did they feel about seeing JFK’s brain blown to pieces, R303?

Go be with Dixie, Mr. President.

Your sister is waiting with open arms.

R305, when he died, JFK was thought to be the most conservative Democratic president since Cleveland. In real time, Carter was considered even more conservative. Hence, the Ted Kennedy (& Jerry Brown) challenge to his renomination.

Jimmy also tongued the Queen Mum who sputtered in outrage: "Nobody has done that since my husband died!”

^ He should have slipped her a G & T.

[quote] I'm calling it now - his wife of 75 years will be dead within months after his passing. Definitely by the end of the year.

How seemly of you.

I don't dismiss out-of-hand that there is a possibility that, if invited, Trump will attend.

[quote] that's possible, r305, and there may be something to what you wrote here.

But I was thinking he may attend Carter's funeral, again, assuming he's invited, because he sees an opportunity to be an attention-robbing, attention addict that he is.

He knows his presence would be the talk of the funeral, and he may want to glory in that. Even if nobody talks to him.

I’m not so sure, R311. I’m thinking she’ll remarry in short order.

Grandchildren/children of Presidents don't automatically attend state funerals.

The ones who have usually have connections to the family or find it beneficial for their careers/profiles/families legacies.

Of course, Caroline went to the funeral of the wife of her father's running mate. Jackie and Lady Bird were forever linked by the assassination and kept in some contact for years. When Jackie died, Lady Bird and the Clintons were the only ones invited to the funeral. There was a connection between the families. Similarly it makes sense that the Nixon daughters attended Bush's funeral, Bush was a Nixon guy, etc. I guarantee Susan Ford will attend, as has been stated Carter and Ford became very close post the Sadat-trip.

Chelsea (who I love) and Javanka attended Bush's funeral to further their profile.

Trump & Carter were insurgent candidates despised by the establishment of their parties.

Sad to think there was a golden opportunity for universal health care and Ted Kennedy the "champion of health care" blocked it due to his own petty ego. Clearly the wrong Kennedy survived.

Then explain, R314, why Caroline also attended the funerals for Nancy Reagan & Barbara Bush?

R308 but wouldn't you put him to the left of Clinton, Obama, and Biden? Or maybe not? Biden has probably more concrete liberal achievements I guess.

Trump will not stay away since if he does, it will either look like he is hiding, or that he isn't a 'real' member of the Presidents' Club. So, unless he gets indicted and jailed in the meantime, he's coming.And it'd surely be very difficult for the family to keep him away even if they might want to.

R314 Miss Prisspot Chief of Protocol

It seemed R316, that the surviving Kennedy brothers, Bobby & Teddy, couldn’t accept any other democrat in the presidency in the years immediately after the JFK assassination.

R318, Trump’s biggest calculation is divining what his rabid supporters would think. They may not cotton to the idea of him honoring the much-reviled Jimmy Carter.

I like your posts r314.

My bet is when Trump finally goes, no other president will attend.

[quote] Then explain, [R314], why Caroline also attended the funerals for Nancy Reagan & Barbara Bush?

To further her brand as the heir to the Kennedy political dynasty I'd say. Teddy's gone. Who's left, Craig Kennedy?

Jayne

It wouldn't surprise me if Melania has already decided she won't have a public funeral for Trump.

If there is one thing about Melania, if we've learned nothing else about her, it's this: Protocol and tradition be damned. She's not gonna do whatever she doesn't want to do, and, with Trump dead, she'll have less reason to.

Besides. she knows how much her husband is hated.

Of course, she may go entirely in the other direction. She could, just for the sheer drama of it, have a big public funeral and make the living former and US Presidents tell he "No" about attending.

tell her "No" about attending ^

But the Caroline-related point of your post, R314, was that, “of course,” Caroline attended the Lady Bird funeral because she was the wife of her father’s running mate, suggesting that she wouldn’t otherwise deign to go to one of these ceremonies.

After her husband’s death. Jackie Kennedy never attended the funeral of a former president or First Lady.

Are you so sure Melania would go to Donald’s funeral, R326?

I shudder to think what a state funeral for Trump would look like. With the media having to adopt a somber tone.

[quote] After her husband’s death. Jackie Kennedy never attended the funeral of a former president or First Lady.

Selfish cunt.

[quote] After her husband’s death. Jackie Kennedy never attended the funeral of a former president or First Lady.

Jackie had a very full life outside of just being a former First Lady.

[quote] The Kennedy’s loathed Jimmy Carter

[quote] the Kennedy’s and Bugs Bunny

What’s does the K

Trump is deserving of a Captain Fantastic Airport Funeral.

wtf do you 'tards give a shit about trump?

[quote] The Kennedy’s loathed Jimmy Carter

[quote] the Kennedy’s and Bugs Bunny

What’s does the Kennedy possess?

People who worked closely with him never saw the smile that was much a part of his public persona, especially in ‘76.

The block function works

so does creating new accounts and ww your own posts.

You funeral guest list obsessives realize no one will show at yours.

R305 FDR and LBJ were both 20th Century.

Carter is responsible for ushering the Christian Right into the White House.

R339 fr B2B2 so do bifocals.

I won't be at Donald's services but l'll be there in spirit.

[quite]The solution to the AIDS crisis in the early 80s would have been for gay men to stop screwing around, which meant that any effective AIDS policy would have involved getting gay men to stop screwing around. Such a policy would have included public officials going on television and radio to tell gay men to stop screwing around. It’s probably easier to herd cats than it is to get gay men to stop screwing around. I doubt either Carter or Reagan could have done much to stop the spread of AIDS.

For 99% of human history, syphilis and other STI's could cause serious disability or even death. If a woman contracted syphilis during pregnancy, there could be serious consequences for the fetus. It didn't stop men from screwing around and passing on diseases to their wives, or women cheating on their husbands.

[quote]The solution to the AIDS crisis in the early 80s would have been for gay men to stop screwing around, which meant that any effective AIDS policy would have involved getting gay men to stop screwing around. Such a policy would have included public officials going on television and radio to tell gay men to stop screwing around. It’s probably easier to herd cats than it is to get gay men to stop screwing around. I doubt either Carter or Reagan could have done much to stop the spread of AIDS.

For 99% of human history, syphilis and other STI's could cause serious disability or even death. If a woman contracted syphilis during pregnancy, there could be serious consequences for the fetus. It didn't stop men from screwing around and passing on diseases to their wives, or women cheating on their husbands.

106 is an inflammatory and intensely stupid, yes stupid, comment. Typical of magat filth.

By the time aids was identified as sexually transmitted, it had killed and infected thousands of gay men.

Aids didn't even have a name back then and by the time the infection was named AIDS, it had wreaked havoc in the gay population.

I hope he chooses Hillary to do his eulogy. Since he was frank enough to admit that Russia stole the presidency from her.

We thank him for having spent his life with us. What an amazing man.

[quote]And it'd surely be very difficult for the family to keep him away even if they might want to.

The Bushes kept Trump away and he was the sitting president at the time. I'm sure the Carters can do the same.

R346 No, the effective policy was to tell gay men to limit their partners and use a condom.

Did you ever watch the film 'The Day After' (1983)? It shows the citizens of Kansas City literally being incinerated on screen in a nuclear attack, and then the survivors left to trudge, as blighted, nearly-dead radioactive skeletons, through the post-apocalyptic desert. I even read a political science academic who argued the film was so disturbing it motivated Reagan to begin arms control talks with the Soviet Union.

Do you know what else is really interesting about this film? There is a subplot about a young engaged couple sneaking around trying to have sex before their wedding. Unfortunately, at the time you couldn't say 'condom' on US TV, so the script had to work around that rather awkwardly.

"Did you get the.... thing?" " You know... the thing! Go get it!"

(Later, post nuclear apocalypse)

"If only I hadn't used that thing! I'd be pregnant now!"

The US in the early '80s, eh? It must have been weird as shit.

Rosalynn was quite chic in her own way.

She did the best she could with the late '70s, with her little tailored suits, shirtdresses, and tie-front blouses.

She had a great figure for clothes of the time, and you could tell she had good taste.

[quote]Carter is recognized as the first evangelical president

Evangelical doesn't mean what it used to. Carter is a deeply religious man who is more akin to the hippie Christian movement of the 1960s than he is to modern-day evangelicals. He believes in loving thy neighbor and other points that current Christians don't generally believe in anymore. In the 1970s, when he said things like "I've sinned in my heart," it came across as hopelessly square and old-fashioned and religious, but in the decades since, he's committed himself to helping others in ways that evangelicals simply do not do.

r106

I not only didn't realize that Billy Carter died when he was 51, but that his daughter Jana married Van Jones. That makes it all the more berserk that Van was linked with Kim K awhile back.

Carter will definitely have the state funeral in DC, but I would imagine there will also be another service at his church in Plains where he taught Sunday School for so many years. (Then he'll be buried at The Carter Center in ATL.)

I grew up in South GA and people would take "field trips" on Sunday morning to hear him teach Sunday School. My mum's best friend's mother was from Plains and knew Jimmy and Rosalynn. She always said they were "good people," which is the best compliment one can get from a fellow Southerner. RIP, Jimmy.

"Hospice" isn't what the name name implies. In America it's the euphemism for gradual euthenasia that kills the patient without fail in 7-10 days, usually by dehydration because they withhold fluids.

There are tons of people on DL who have used Hospice for their relatives r357 and they know what you said isn't true.

I'm guessing you just wanted to pick a fight.

He should have stuck to peanut farming.

[quote] The Bushes kept Trump away and he was the sitting president at the time. I'm sure the Carters can do the same.

You're confusing the Bushes for the McCains. He was front & center at GHW Bush's funeral.

Not religious, but God bless him. He wasn't the greatest President (though he was better than given credit)....but, he is a great human being. He's done a lot to help people with Habitats For Humanity and other causes. I think he did his best work post POTUS. A real class act. He will be missed.

Amy's nanny during most of her years living in the White House was a black lady who had been convicted & imprisoned for murder and later completely exonerated. I know of few POTUSes & FLOTUSes other than the Carters who would have allowed that.

I remember Amy from her time working at the Chapter 11 bookstore at Ansley Mall in Atlanta. She always seemed a serious but sweet young lady. She went on to marry one of the store managers

President Carter has a distant relation to Motown Records founder, Berry Gordy. Miss Lillian (mother) was born Bessie Lillian Gordy, whose father was James Jackson Gordy. She was the niece of Berry Gordy I, who was the paternal half-brother of James Jackson Gordy (father) and the grandfather of Berry Gordy....the founder of Motown. I thought that was a cool fact....thanks to Wikipedia.

[quote] Amy's nanny during most of her years living in the White House was a black lady who had been convicted & imprisoned for murder and later completely exonerated. I know of few POTUSes & FLOTUSes other than the Carters who would have allowed that.

And Amy went to public school in DC.

Why drag it out?

I am, r360, you're right. Bar kept baby Donnie away but George did not.

[quote] Ford seemed like he might have been a decent man, despite being a Republican. He seemed very respectful of his wife.

He was the last of the "country club Republicans" who seemed more interested in budgets and cutting deficits than any sort of social engineering or warmongering.

It is so strange they use the words "peanut farmer" derisively. His successor was just an actress and not even an accomplished one.

I bet Rosalynn didn't suck as much cock as I did to claw her way to the top!

Amateur!

R224, a lot of Dems shy away from any criticism of Obama, and the truth is he did not enjoy schmoozing members of Congress. Joe loved it and saw how necessary it was just as a way to gether intel into how people were thinking about issues before the COngress or on vital legislation. And Obama appointing Rahm Emanuel as his CoS was a disaster. He was abrasive, poorly informed and thought he knew every damned thing. He alienated a lot of people, and Axelrod alienated a lot of people too. And his first PRess Secretary was totally not prepared to deal with his job requirements. The other Obama problem was the DNC. Obama didn't care about rebuilding the party machinery, etc. and this was part of the reason he lost the House in 2010. Part of the reason.. His messaging was off. People had still not recovered from the impact of the economic meltdown of 2007-2008. We were wobbly. We had anxieties. But the Obama wise men ignored that, and he didn't even mention "It's the Economy, stupid!" until late September of 2010. To say Obama was out of touch with the DNC and party operatives is an understatement. Obama was/is an elitist when it came to retail politics. He was very fortunate in his choice of VP, because without Biden and Pelosi, he would have been Jimmy Carter.

Agree 100% r370.

In fact, I was dead set against Hillary being the 2008 candidate to be the POTUS and went all in for Obama.

Now, I'll admit the following. I think we were wrong. The 2008 candidate should have been Hillary.

And before any gets their knickers in a twist, Obama still was a better POTUS than any Republican was, or, could be.

Hillary would have been a superb President.

It is important to note that President Carter has lived many productive years after his advanced melanoma diagnosis because of cancer research.

Hillary understands politics and eating a shit sandwich more than Obama did, for sure.

The GOP smear machine definitely got her, though. They tried hard with Obama and the birth certificate, as well as "Michelle is a man" but most non-MAGA types understood that was racist BS.

I have mixed feelings about him. Of course I appreciate that gay marriage happened during his time in office. I appreciate the try at ACA.

My MAGA sister and her husband were furious with him because the ACA mandate meant as insurance agents (self employed) they have to cough up $2500/mo for health care. And not great healthcare, either. Some pieces of that were really not done well at all. I wish they hadn't turned into MAGA fools because of that experience, but I can understand the fuel of resentment.

I don't think either party has done well for a lot of the "flyover" states and old rust belt areas. They were ripe for messaging and Trump got them, at least for a few cycles.

The Hostage crisis was the culmination of a lot of bad actors and poor judgement. Carter was given a shit sandwich. Russia's hand was shit stirring in the Iranian hostage mess. Iran has historically been a client of Russia's. Russia hated Carter. Hated him. He was the architect of their failure in Afghanistan. It was Nixon and Kissinger who pressured the Federal government to take the Shah of Iran in. Extreme pressure. And it was one of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency's biggest intelligence failures to completely overlook and understate the actual revolution going on before their eyes with the Muslim fundamentalists in Iran. If I were to place blame Kissinger would be in for a large portion of it. Whether he was in or out of government he was touted as the ultimate wiseman when it came to foreign policy and he was a POS. It's so easy to follow the Media's lead and put all the blame on Carter, and the truth is he was grappling with the results of a lot of other people's messes. What is important, is that he got them out alive. And yes, the Iranians held back to embarrass him. They colluded with Reagan and the people who controlled Reagan. They wanted Reagan to win the election. Carter's problem was that he was more concerned with getting them out, than with getting re-elected. He should have fought dirty, but he wouldn't.

[quote] Aside from the eight people who were killed during a hostage rescue mission during the Iranian Revolution, no American or any other national was killed under the banner of an American war. ----------- I'm no fan of Trump, [R262], but couldn't the same be said of him, too?

No Trump can't claim that. He kicked Russian ass hard. The first president to stand up to Russia in combat since Truman

I wonder if the main writer of The Times’s Jimmy Carter obituary is still alive.

Obama was far superior to Hillary Clinton. We are lucky she failed in her 2008 bid. Despite her age and long exposure to the political world, she was a novice in political office , just like Obama. But Obama had inspirational qualities and management abilities. Compare her ability to organize a presidential campaign and their results in instituting health care reform, and it’s clear who was the gifted leader and who was just a run of the mill, inexperienced politician.

Thank you for being so transparent, r377, and bless your heart.

R377, The main thing Obama had going for him was that he was not Hillary.

And I should add that Obama at least had some courage and principles. Don’t forget he voted against Iraq War and she voted for it. And she did that despite representing a state that would never have penalized her for opposing the war. For her, preserving her presidential viability was paramount. We can only imagine how many disastrous decisions that might have ied up, almond with her inexperience.

She has been unfairly vilified by the right wing press, but she was in the end a mediocre political functionary who was new to elected politics.

Based on engagement, my Twitter account had me following and being followed by accounts who identified Obama as a war criminal. It was shocking to read these comments.

R377 And thank you for being so transparent in your stupidity and vileness. Bless your tiny, little child-like brain! Datalounge could use more of your intellect and useful posts like yours.

[quote]Evangelical doesn't mean what it used to.

Yes it does, you moron.

Obama had the luxury of voting against the Iraq war. Hillary did not. Hillary as the U.S. Senator from New York, had to support Bush and the war because it was New York that was hit by terrorists on 9/11 which was Bush's excuse for the war. Hillary was under intense political pressure, unlike Obama. Carter had a human rights policy, an energy policy, an environmental policy, and even had solar panels installed at the White House. In the 70's. He alienated a lot of people with vested interests who did not support that.

[quote] The GOP smear machine definitely got her, though. They tried hard with Obama and the birth certificate, as well as "Michelle is a man" but most non-MAGA types understood that was racist BS.

Don’t forget the whitey essay.

[quote]I have mixed feelings about him. Of course I appreciate that gay marriage happened during his time in office.

Obama gave up on it. Nancy got it in last minute.

The woke left hates Obama with a passion. Ironically, these were the same people who came to the idea of the first black president and made every excuse to get him into office. Now they hate him.

How did Nancy get it, r385? I’m a huge fan of Nancy, but it was the Supreme Court that legalized it.

Jimmy did not publicly attack Bill Clinton personally, but he definitely said, in an interview that when he had concerns or he "needed something" He called Al Gore who he liked and admired. His relationship with the Clintons was chilly at best for many years. And Bill Clinton was often very exasperated by what he felt was Carter's interference with foreign policy. For example, Carter opposed any military intervention that resulted in violence in Haiti. Clinton had his invasion force ready, they were on their way, when he got word that Jimmy Carter was on the ground in Haiti. Boom. No invasion. No strong arm. Carter went to Cuba. Carter was actively involved in the Anti Apartheid movement in South Africa. Carter was doing a lot internationally. Meanwhile Clinton had some spectacular failures in Kosovo, Rwanda, and other places. Bill Clinton was a politician.. he was really good at it. But he made some bad choices as President. And Foreign policy was not his forte.

R384. True, but Illinois is a more conservative state, and it is simplistic to say that Obama wasn't being brave by voting against the war. The other Illinois was a republican and voted for the war. At best your argument makes Clinton sound like a pragmatic politician and not a leader.

No, R384/389, Obama didn’t vote against the Iraq War. He didn’t take his Senate seat until Jan. 2005, a couple of years after the vote.

R389, she was both. A pragmatic politician, and a leader. I think one of the things a lot of people hold against Hillary was that she was a pragmatic politician. The same way they complain about Pelosi. You have made your feelings abundantly clear. I never said Obama lacked courage. I said he had the luxury of voting his conscience on Iraq. I am sure he experienced some pressure, but it was nothing compared to what Hillary faced and to equate the two is simply painting a false picture.

When did she ever successfully lead anything? I don't despise her. I would have voted for her a thousand times over Trump and probably over Carter as well, but there is nothing in her record to indicate that she wasn't a mediocre and inexperienced politician. It could well be that sexism prevented her from gaining the necessary experience, but she lacked it nonetheless.

[quote]I was 18 years old and Carter was the 1st person I ever voted for to be the POTUS.

Me too. Unfortunately it was the 1980 election.

[quote] I never said Obama lacked courage. I said he had the luxury of voting his conscience on Iraq.

Again, Obama, unlike Hillary, had the luxury of NOTt having to cast a vote on authorizing the invasion of Iraq.

Maria Shriver’s social media tribute to Carter made me laugh.

She must have forgotten how much Uncle Ted despised him and primaried him in 1980.

The entire Kennedy family was anti-Carter back then.

When Carter attended the dedication of the JFK Library in 1979, he leaned in and kissed Jackie as he made his way down the receiving line.

Jackie was so startled, her head reeled back like she’d just been bitten and the look of disgust on her face was there for all to see.

[quote]I never said Obama lacked courage. I said he had the luxury of voting his conscience on Iraq.

All lawmakers always have that luxury. Many just choose to prioritize other things.

[quote]Trump won't attend.

I don't like losers who fail to win re-election, so count me out.

Obama was not a US Senator at the time of 9/11.

[quote] he represented the 13th district in the Illinois Senate from 1997 until 2004, when he ran for the U.S. Senate.

Yet some people are dumb enough to wonder where Obama was at 9/11.

Was Carter into Jim Jones as much as Rosalyn?

I found it very strange that such a huge number of African Americans were victims at Jonestown & that Rosalyn, a southern was so into Jones. Struck me creepy at the time & even more so now. Can't remember if Jimmy was also a big fanboy of him or not.

They are Baptists. Baptists are pretty culty to begin with. Take a look at all the Evangelicals in Congress.

OP Please change the title of your thread to

OBAMA-sad last days

He's not like other Presidents. He ..... Fuck it just made sad to read that yesterday.

[quote]It wouldn't surprise me if Melania has already decided she won't have a public funeral for Trump.

What makes you think that:

1. He will be going first

2. She will be his last wife.

I'd say in both instances, his age, r405.

I respect Carter. He will be remembered as one of our finest US Presidents.

Pres. Obama knew that all the republicans in Congress hated him primarily because he was black and they couldn't bare having a black man with power. But just as sadly he knew that a sizable percentage of white democrats were unhappy with him being in power as well, for the same reason, because he was black. The only difference the dems at least could put their racist attitudes aside long enough to support what he was trying to do. But it had to play on his mind that there were few in Congress he could really trust, no matter what party they belonged to.

[quote]And yes, the Iranians held back to embarrass him. They colluded with Reagan and the people who controlled Reagan.

Basically taking a page out of the Kissinger playbook, as he orchestrated a behind-the-scenes deal with North Vietnam to get them to refuse LBJ's terms, promising them that if they did so, it would lead to Nixon winning the presidency and giving North Vietnam a sweeter deal. It worked as far as getting Nixon into the White House, but then of course he reneged on his secret deal and kept us in the war years longer than we should have been, purposely stretching it all out with his "Vietnamization" scheme.

I'm not sure why Iran colluded with Reagan after that, you'd think that they would be wary of Reagan screwing them over a la Nixon, but they lucked out and he didn't. See: Iran-Contra

R373 There is absolutely no way your sister and BIL pay $5000/month for health insurance.

[quote]The Soviet Union was rotting from within.

Gee, that sounds VERY familiar.

[quote] almond with her inexperience

[quote] Jackie had a very full life outside of just being a former First Lady.

Obviously sleeping with elderly ugly men to feather her nest and attending galas with them was exhausting work.

So much more important than building homes for the homeless.

She was also a book editor!

Oh, spare me the moral high horse, r413.

So what about who Jackie slept with and why.

And yes, Carter is to be commended for his work building homes, Rosalyn right next to him working, too.

"Let's see... is it 'i before e, except after c'? I can't remember!"

--Jackie, hard at work editing books

[quote]Gee, that sounds VERY familiar.

We all have to go sometime, nobody lives forever. At 98, he has long overstayed his welcome. Just think, Ted Kennedy has been gone since 2009 and he would have been a much better President than Carter.

Taking a realistic view of Hilary Clinton is always guaranteed to provoke the crazy and stupid elements of the board. It’s similar up any criticism of Princess Diana.

[quote]At 98, he has long overstayed his welcome.

What a brainless remark, even for DL.

R418. At what age do failed presidents have a duty to die?

[quote]Even though Carter defeated Ford for the Presidency, after the dust settled, they both were sent to the funeral of Anwar Sadat and, somehow bonded and became close friends, even frequently visiting each other at their homes.

The eulogy at Betty Ford's funeral was delivered by fer dear friend Rosalynn Carter. You can find it online, it is quite beautiful. I doubt we will ever again see any First Lady delivering a eulogy of another First Lady, especially the one she replaced.

Quite possibly the worst president in American history, with an odd affinity towards Yasser Arafat and the Khmer Rouge, who lost to Reagan in 1980 in one of the biggest blowouts in Electoral College history. I think his presidency will always be tarred by the hostage crisis abroad and the fuel shortages/inflation at home. I know liberal democrats who voted for Reagan in 1980. It was that bad.

R423. Yeah. Definitely worse than Trump, Bush Jr, Andrew Johnson, etc.

R423 I'll think you'll find DJT was quite simply the worst President to ever live

R426! At best it’s a tie. Vile as a Trump was, he never caused tens of thousands of people to die in pursuit of his personal vendetta/vanity project/ reelection ploy like Bush Jr.

Obama just like Carter was a weak president. You can't forever play the victim race card to distract from your failures. Obama nominated Comey FFS, the guy who delivered the last blow on Hillary Clinton.

R427, when did Obama play the race card? If anything, he showed an unbelievable amount of patience.

R427. Yeah. I remember the Obama presidency. He talked endlessly about being black! Couldn’t shut up about it! He had to talk all the time about it because his life was one long string of failures . Poor, pathetic black man!

Jimmy Carter seems like a really good sort who worked his whole life to make things better for other people.

We need a lot more people like this in our politics.

Crazy electoral map compared to today:

R426 I guess you're not counting the hundreds of t housands of COVID deaths? Trump is vile and there's no way Jimmy Carter was the worst PResident ever.

r429 - You could afford to be more subtle in your trolling.

You sound like you're chronically constipated, r423.

R433. Not when it comes to dealing with bigots.

Dig yourself deeper, r435.

R436. Thanks for your advice. Much appreciated.

In the 70's he told us the world would run out of oil in 30 years.

[quote]I doubt we will ever again see any First Lady delivering a eulogy of another First Lady, especially the one she replaced.

I am looking very forward to giving beautiful you-ugly to dead black vairst letty!

If a FLOTUS were to predecease Hillary, I can see Hillary speaking at the funeral.

Really, r440? Even Melania?

No, Melania will be quickly buried at the same golf course where Ivana Senior was laid to rest. Different hole, though.

R438 New tech has discovered new oil fields under deeper ground & water areas since the 70s.

Fracking has helped as well.

[quote]Obama gave up on it. Nancy got it in last minute.

Most of what Obama got accomplished during his first two years would not have happened without Nancy's leadership in the House. I'm not a huge fan of elderly people in leadership positions, but there's a lot to be said for experience. Pelosi and Biden had it, while Obama did not and was very much in over his head during his Presidency.

[quote]When did she ever successfully lead anything? I don't despise her. I would have voted for her a thousand times over Trump and probably over Carter as well, but there is nothing in her record to indicate that she wasn't a mediocre and inexperienced politician. It could well be that sexism prevented her from gaining the necessary experience, but she lacked it nonetheless.

Hillary was the type of person who had a long resume full of various positions and titles she held, but she never really accomplished much of anything in those roles. I mean, can anyone really name anything specific that she actually accomplished over the years?

She was similar to Bush Sr who had spent decades in government but had scant history winning elections on his own. Like her, he ran lackluster campaigns and was an uninspiring speaker. Electorally, he was only effective when he demagogued racial issues and silly cultural issues.

Hillary’s personality and politics are more appealing to me than Bush Sr’s, but she’s cut from the same mediocre cloth.

[quote]After her husband’s death. Jackie Kennedy never attended the funeral of a former president or First Lady.

Jackie was a bitch.

[quote]Jackie was a bitch.

And hence a DL icon.

R432. Even if Trump had followed wiser Covid policies, deaths would still have been high. They were in almost all countries. And there is a difference between following foolish policies and triggering the slaughter of tens of thousands of people to feed your vanity. For those reasons, I think Trump might be our second worst president or tied for the worst.

Why you commented on Carter not being the worst president in response to me. I have no idea since I hold no such view.

[quote]They were in almost all countries.

No. They weren't R449. Not in the countries that followed medical science and implemented proper pandemic management measures.

[quote]Even if Trump had followed wiser Covid policies, deaths would still have been high.

Not *nearly* as high, r449. Had Trump handled it responsibly, hundreds of thousands wouldn't have died. He is literally responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths.

[quote]Even if Trump had followed wiser Covid policies, deaths would still have been high.

But not the highest death rate in the world.

Any day now, any day now

I shall be released

r423, see my post at r225 and then get back to us.

r453, Bette Midler and sadness. I'm crying already.

[quote]Jackie was a bitch.

You would be too, if you had to go on assistance.

[quote] Quite possibly the worst president in American history

The Camp David Accords, alone, mark quite an amazing legacy.

And R457 the first leader to call out the most important issue of our time- climate change caused by fossil fuel combustion. In fact he was criticized by all for his efforts to do something- to warn the oil industry etc. He knew energy independence was not the larger issue.

R457, I recall the Emmy Awards, hosted by Alan Alda, being interrupted for the breaking news of the three leaders signing what proved to be a useless document.

R457 and R458, thank you. And some very powerful forces internationally, and as far as industry lobbyists were arrayed against him. They wanted to destroy his credibility, make him an object of ridicule, deride him. But he didn't care. Begin's personal history was as a true hardliner. Sadat was literally risking his life. But Carter locked them in at Camp David, and was stubborn and relentless that they should come up with accords which became the framework f or other Middle Eastern countries who had sworn to erase Israel, to instead recognize it. And now we have the POS Netanyahu who belongs in prison.

R459 I remember it as the night it pre-empted the premiere of Battlestar Galatica.

There are two or three ugly trolls on here determined to wreck the thread. Fuck off you POS asslickers.

Turd polishing...Let me Count the Ways.

Turd polishers need to report to the W Bush threads.

[quote] I remember it as the night it pre-empted the premiere of Battlestar Galatica.

Appropriate. That premiere showing a self-righteous Carter-like peace at any price President agreeing to a fraudulent treaty with a treacherouss enemy who use that naivete to annihilate nearly all his race and take his worlds

[quote] That premiere showing a self-righteous Carter-like peace at any price President agreeing to a fraudulent treaty with a treacherouss enemy who use that naivete to annihilate nearly all his race and take his worlds

A "fraudulemt treaty" that's lasted for 45 years. In Israel's first 30 years of existence, Egypt had been her most mortal threat. That ended due to Carter's heroic efforts.

Carter had the guts to call out Israeli apartheid and of course he's called an "antisemite"but the usual assholes, because God forbid you ever criticize them. Just hand over the billions unquestioned and pretend they aren't a far-right shithole of racism and bigotry.

All you need to know is Trump is up Israel's ass and Carter isn't. Which man actually lives a genuinely good, Christian life and which one was a born scoundrel and pile of orange dogshit?

by* the usual

In his post-presidency, Carter incurred the wrath of many American Jews, but his presidency arguably did more for Israel than any other president.

[quote] Which man actually lives a genuinely good, Christian life and which one was a born scoundrel and pile of orange dogshit?

Ok, no more hints. Let me guess. I can get this one, Dorothy!

I love it that Trump bootlickers like R470 haven't gone into hiding. Please, please keep supporting this man, R470. I'd LOVE a Biden-Trump rematch.

Did Rosalyn go to the funerals of the Jonestown victims of her dear friend Jimmy J.or just important, public figures like first ladies?

R471, WTF are you talking about? Where in ANY of my posts EVER have I supported TFG?

Don’t worry, I won’t wait.

You fucking asshole.

R472 Did Nancy or Ronnie ever go to any of their Hollywood pals funerals when they died of AIDS?

Rock Hudson?

Liberace?

Bueller?

[quote] Jackie had a very full life outside of just being a former First Lady.

Yes, essentially as a very wealthy socialite. Pretty much her entire life.

R474 Were Nanc & Ronnie besties with them, appearing in photos with them??

R476 I recall Rock appearing in some Reagan pics so the Ray Guns could've shown support for this new mystery disease by going to his funeral & helping to reduce the stigma about the illness don't cha think?

Rock and Nancy were rivals for the coveted title of "Best Cocksucker in Hollywood."

I'm not R474, but yes, Ron & Nancy were "besties" with actors like Rock Hudson whom they later dropped when he publicly had AIDS and died of it. As for your bullshit about Rosalynn Carter being "besties" with Jim Jones, in the mid 70s he cultivated many national and local political figures (e.g. Moscone) and journalists, who saw him at that point as an advocate against racism and inequality—their association with him was not about supporting a mass-murder cult. Geez, the crap you conservatives are willing to spew, as if no one could check the facts.

I stand corrected. My comment wasn't about Nancy Regan well known cocksuck your way to fame & fortune kinda gal, but about Rosalyn & her bestie Jimmy J. mass poisoner of African Americans. And I still stand by how creepy from a Southern woman fresh from segregation time to support a mass killer of African Americans. Don't recall seeing any condemnation on this from her.

For the umpteenth time ... her name is

R-O-S-A-L-Y-N-N

NOT Rosalyn

NOT Roslyn

Still bullshitting, R480? Even the Veritas Project has given O'Keefe the boot (see other thread).

You really should do so history reading R480

OK..So Rosalynn was friends with a mass killer of African Americans is that better for you.

I apologize to you, R473, for misinterpreting your post. We have lots of trolling posts here, so I’m a little on edge. But do you talk to your mother with that mouth?

No, r485, I don’t. (Unless she called me a trump supporter, then all bets are off.)

But for you to own up to a simple error made shows me you’ve got class and I was the one wrong about you. So accept my apologies also. You’re actually a good guy.

Ok, I have to go now I think the schmaltz police are knocking on my door.

T486. You can definitely question how Israel treats its non-Jewish population but it is far from being the shit hole of the region.

Olive branch accepted, R486.

Awww, our own little DL accord, in the spirit of Carter.

It's like peace in the Middle East.

Is he still circling?

Jesus, r486 & r488, get a room.

[quote] It's like peace in the Middle East.

I’d like a piece from the Middle East.

[bold]'Real down to earth': Houstonians who built 100 Habitat homes with Jimmy Carter remember him fondly[/bold]

HOUSTON, Texas — Some Fifth Ward homeowners fondly remember working alongside President Jimmy Carter 25 years ago when Habitat For Humanity built 100 homes in Houston in a week’s time.

Wade and Shalina Gibson are among the original homeowners still living on Hillsboro Street.

Habitat homeowners play a hands-on role in building their homes so the Gibsons and other Houstonians worked side by side with Jimmy and Roselyn [sic] Carter during the massive project in 1998.

"He made us laugh, smile and when time to get serious, time to work, we got to work," homeowner Wade Gibson recalled. "He was a real down-to-earth person, him and his wife, love them to death.”

The Carters began volunteering for Habitat for Humanity in 1984, a couple of years after they left the White House, and continued until 2020.

more at link

R494 I had never heard of the organization until Jimmy and Rosalynn started volunteering. I looked into it because of them, and now I am active with them as well. HAve been for 15 years.

You’re sweet, r495.

Oh, and thank you!

Showtime has a 4 part documentary about Ronald Reagan. I strongly urge anyone who can to please watch it.

Amen.

Kamala was so let down when she discovered the president going to hospice was just Carter

That joke will probably kill when you post it on Truth Social, R499.

R499 is a perfect example of the wit of MAGA. Non-existent.

I wonder if any of the former Presidents will speak. Carter may have asked for one of his children and the minister. Everyone else can keep their seats. But usually one of the Presidents speaks. Maybe it will be Biden.

[quote] I wonder if any of the former Presidents will speak. Carter may have asked for one of his children and the minister. Everyone else can keep their seats. But usually one of the Presidents speaks. Maybe it will be Biden.

And that would be fitting beyond the fact that Biden's the sitting president. Biden was the first senator to endorse Carter's '76 run. And he endorsed Carter over Kennedy (& Jerry Brown) in '80.

It will be Biden. Not only is he PResident, he was the first member of the U.S. Senate to endorse Carter. They weren't besties, but they were friendly. Jason Carter will speak for the Carter Center, and if he is physically able, Andrew Young who is now 91 yrs old, and a long time personal friend, will also speak. That's my prediction. The governor will offer condolences as well. It seems JC has outlived most of the other people who could have spoken. Warnock may also speak since he is pastor of Ebeneezer Baptist church, and then we have Rev. Berniece King, MLK, Jr's daughter who ought to have a spot on the program because she is an awesome speaker.

Will he be buried at the Carter Center? I swear it's one of the most peaceful places I've ever been. I'm not woo woo, but I swear my blood pressure normalizes there

^ I’d be very surprised if he was buried anywhere else.

I have no idea what the plan is but I can speculate as well as anyone and my guess is that Jimmy and Rosalynn will be buried in Plains. Now his parents were not buried there.I just checked. And he had his brother Billy and sister Ruth and I imagine they were buried with their spouses where ever. The family is probably in the same general area, but I just don't see Jimmy abandoning Plains and his church. I 'm betting Jimmy will go to Washington D.C. one more time to lie in state so people can go through, as well as members of Congress etc. Then back home for a lying in state at Carter Center, and maybe a religious service. But since he was Governor of GA, they may have him lie in state at the capital in Atlanta, and then back home to Plains. Burial, Funeral, etc. Don't know what they'll do with Rosalynn because I don't see her being able to go to D.C.

^ You’re probably right.

He is the last President to be eligible to be buried at Arlington.

GA is nice, but he belongs in Arlington.

R504, Van Jones, a nephew by marriage, will speak.

^ formerly a nephew by marriage.

Why does everyone assume Rosalyn won’t be able to attend the funeral? I’m sure President Biden could send Air Force 1 to pick her up, and she’ll have Secret Service agents to assist her, and she’ll have members of her family with her too. It’s not like she’s schlepping herself in coach on a commercial airline all by herself.

^ They still have wheelchairs for 90 year olds.

I never said Rosalynn wouldn't attend his funeral. I just said I didn't see her traveling to D.C.

^And I earlier just posed it as a concern. She is a frail, 95-year old woman.

R515, what I’m saying is that things are different when you’re rich and the former First Lady of the United States. Getting around and traveling is a lot easier when you have chauffeured cars, private planes and an entourage of assistants.

R511, Yes, but Van is still the father of Jimmy's grandniece and grandnephew and the divorce from Billy Carter's daughter was amicable. He will definitely attend the funeral.

BTW, Van recently became a father for the third time via a work colleague.

R515, An extremely frail Betty Ford attended President Ford's DC services, leaning on her military escort with all her might.

Carter delivered Ford's eulogy at his request.

[quote] Getting around and traveling is a lot easier when you have chauffeured cars, private planes and an entourage of assistants.

No doubt, but neither Carter made it to Biden's inauguration.

R519, It was during COVID.

RIP 😢

Yes, R520, but I don't hink they would have attended in normal circumstances, either. Just like a frail Harry Truman couldn't attend LBJ's inauguration, despite LBJ's offering a plane, etc.

R521, he’s still with us.

Van Jones ? Please. I seriously doubt that opportunist will be invited to speak. That's scraping the bottom of the barrel. They're not at a loss for speakers. There are plenty who take precedence over him. Maybe he can go down to Florida and watch on TV with Jared and Ivanka.

They’ll definitely be a prominent Black eulogist. If Andrew Young is too infirm, I agree that Carter’s home state senator, Raphael Warnock will be asked to speak.

Jimmy and Rosalynn were also fond of Berniece King, actually the entire King family but Berniece is the one who is carrying on the legacy of her father. Since John Lewis is gone, I think the Carters would invite her since they'd want to honor that part of Georgia's history.

R527 you're an asshole.

I was spelling BErnice King's name wrong. But she is the head of the King Center and she is an ordained minister and a lawyer. She's a very impressive woman.

I have no idea what r527 said but I guarantee it was idiotic shit. The thread is wonderful when you block these dummies.

He’s really hanging in there!

Van Jones seems flakey, IMO. He's 54 and suddenly needs to have a 3rd child with a woman friend. I also hate to say this, but he's never with black women, which is OK, but it's incongruous (IMO) with everything else he promotes. His true heart's desire is probably Kim Kardashian or an equivalent.

We had my Dad in my home for "hospice care" at the end. We were told not to give him little water and only the provided morphine for his final days. He was gone in four days. Seems Jimmy has better drugs.

He might be receiving nutrition, who really knows.

He's on a peanut butter drip.

[quote] He's on a peanut butter drip.

My favorite meal.

My late grandmother was on hospice for five months before she passed.

Passed what? The entrance exam to heaven?

R538: Really asshole?

I thought he'd leave by the end of the week, but now I'm thinking next week, midweek. . A lot depends on whether he is conscious. With my father, we sat there in his room and watched the bag.He had a catheter on and watching both the color of the urine and the amount was key. The nurse would come in every so often and take his temperature and his pulse. They explained it to us that his body was shutting down, and the kidneys were an indicator of how log the process would take. Also, at a certain point his throat was closing or something anyway he couldn't swallow and didn't want food or liquids. We would rub ice chips on his lips or these sponges soaked in water. He stopped talking and seemed to focus on breathing. He was breathing very shallow.

Why "sad last days"? That sounds like Daily Mail garbage. Perhaps it's sad for us, losing one of the few U.S. politicians of real character, but the wording implies that there's something pathetic about this wonderful man taking his leave in what likely is quite a peaceful, loving atmosphere.

Will Jimmy have a final message for us?

R551, see R147.

Hope this fucker hurry up and dies! I like him a lot. But I am also a federal worker and the sooner he dies the sooner I get a day off!

R544, I worked for the IRS in the early 1970s, and when Truman and LBJ died within weeks of each other, we got two paid days off.

Wow! I didn't know federal workers get a day off when a POTUS dies. Good for you guys.

I used to work for the IRS too, and when we were doing annual budget planning, we used to consider whether or not a president would die during the upcoming year and create a non-work day we'd have to factor in.

R545, these two presidents - both Democrats - died within four weeks of each other in ‘72-‘73, and no Democratic president has died since.

Well, once Carter is gone we're left with Obama, Bush 2, and Bill Clinton. The Orange Shitgibbon ought to be the next to go, but he is too vile even for the Devil.

Carter will be the fourth consecutive ex-president to die in his 90s. That was true of only two in the first 170 years of the presidency

Wow, these presidents have longer than average life spans. Must be the Secret Service and health care.

I voted for him twice although I was tempted to vote for Ford. It was my first presidential vote.

SAw an interview Carter did with Stephen Colbert just 4 years ago. He was "going on 94." He had just written another book, and he was quick witted and sharp, mentally. I found the interview delightful.

^R 553 guess you're easily please. or is it fooled. Or maybe a Kool-aide drinker.

Are you nuts, r554? Do you think this interview is a deep fake?

With all his misspellings, punctuation, and other errors, it wouldn't surprise me.

Yeah, r556. I should have checked that poster's history before bothering to respond.

They have a long line of posting nonsense like that.

He is a Russian troll I blocked some time ago.

[quote]Just like a frail Harry Truman couldn't attend LBJ's inauguration, despite LBJ's offering a plane, etc.

Hmmmm? Maybe they felt better that summer? During LBJ's administration (July 1965) the Medicare Act was signed and Harry and Bess Truman were the first two Americans enrolled in Medicare. There was a photo op too, but President Johnson may have gone to Independence, MO where they resided for the photo. It looks like DC to me though.

Yes. He traveled to the Truman Library.

Was Lady Bird heading to a garden party immediately after the signing?

I still think it's hilarious Gore Vidal claimed Jimmy Carter as a distant cousin.

The hagiography of Jimmy Carter is fascinating to me. He interfered in international affairs going over the head of the President in his own retirement! Jimmy saw the world in black/white, was an arrogant know-it-all, and supremely judgmental.

It says a lot about our country that Jimmy is one of the most moral Presidents — it shows how scummy our politics are. And as others stated, Jimmy was very terse, critical, and just mean. He did, however, aspire to what a President should be. The problem is that a President must *also* be shrewd and move ahead of the Machine. Jimmy’s greatest son was believing that doing the right thing would make him the winner. It doesn’t matter if you have the best policies if your ass isn’t in power. He learned that the hard way.

But he also has balls, much bigger balls than W.

[Quote]Wow, these presidents have longer than average life spans.

I actually think Clinton will be next. I really like him, but he looks frail and weak for his age. Even Biden and Trump are more energetic and look healthier. I was shocked when I last saw him speaking at an event. His speech was slurred and he looked old and frail and he's only 76 years old.

Didn’t Gore Vidal claim to be a distant cousin to Al Gore and also somehow connected to the Kennedys? Bitch got around.

R564 He’s been on the Dean Ornish diet for 20 years, he will “like, literally” never die

ha! some guy on pbs was saying that you could live till 120!

dumb fuck.

who would want to?

I liked your post, r563.

I've commented my share on this thread favorable to Carter, but, in the back of my typing fingers, I knew along the lines of what you posted, too.

You put it better than I could.

Lo and behold, like every other human that existed, Carter had his character flaws and assets.

What gets me is this perception of Ronald Reagan, among his fans, that he was somehow so much more effective and "likable" than any other POTUS, when, really, that "folksiness" and charm masked him being a bigoted, incompetent, money-grubbing, servant to the wealthy, asshole.

I would love it 🥰 if there’s a huge hush 1 hour into the funeral and the new Carters walk down the center aisle with Jay’s hair all turbulent Basquit and Bey fierce as a rabid pit bull with black sunglasses and Blue giving toxic shade

In full shimmering Label Fabulosity

[quote]What gets me is this perception of Ronald Reagan, among his fans, that he was somehow so much more effective and "likable" than any other POTUS

Later outdone by all the deplorables who actually believed that Donald Trump gave a shit about their sad little lives.

Do we get a day off work when he dies?

How many last days are we talking, exactly?

R573 43 days, 12 hours and 15 minutes

MARY!

I wish him and his family much peace and comfort. He was a great man, IMHO.

I AIN'T DEAD YET YOU BITCH

As I have come to understand it, Hospice care, means he will have a PA or a nurse checking in on him weekly, and he has now made the decision that the only medical care he wants is palliative care. He wants to be kept comfortable. He is very fragile and rushing him to the hospital repeatedly for various health crises, is too much. I wish more older people would put that in their wills. Let nature take its course. I remember when my great uncle stopped eating and my Great aunt asked the doctor if they could run a line to his stomach to feed him. My Great uncle shook his head vigorously to say "Hell no!" Thank God the doctor listened to him, not her.

The media made it seem like he was gonna be dead in a week.

Sorry for disappointing and inconveniencing you, R579.

Bless Rosalyn, she must be going through a lot of changes

You’ve got a lot more bigger things for which to apologize than that, R580. Start with the 2016 presidential election.

Jimmy's still with us; my Mom was put on hospice.

My brother, urged on by his wife, I have no doubt, was ready to say goodbye; Mom put him in charge of stuff b/c he was the responsible one.

He told me Mom was going on hospice at one point; and the next time she needed care they'd put her on fluids and keep her comfortable. I'm not in favor of a 86 year old woman having transplants and heart surgery but I had to step in and make sure that blood transfusions weren't deemed 'extraordinary measures.'

Anywho, if there's no decline after 3 months, you go off hospice. So...there's that. My Mom, God rest her soul, put on weight and told hospice to fuck off. I had her another year plus but then COVID came and that was it.

Jimmy’s milking this.

Watch his hospice stay last longer than his presidency.

[quote]"A misconception is that the average length of stay in hospice is for the last several days of someone's life," explains Jonathan Fleece, president and CEO of Empath Health, one of the largest not-for-profit hospice organizations in the country. "The average length of stay nationally is in the 60- to 70-day range."

I'd be curious to know the stats of people who go on hospice and then come off

Me, R587, every Friday evening to Monday morning.

Anecdotal and I've posted it upthread, but my grandma went into hospice for 6 months, came out, and survived several more years. She had dementia and I'm not sure what the acute reason was for her entering hospice.

My mom, on the other hand, was in the last stage of cancer, went into hospice and died within a week, IIRC.

Barbara Bush refused further medical treatment, went home from the hospital and died the next day.

R590, so did Jackie Kennedy.

Still going strong.

^ Well. still going at least.

An update.

Jimmy’s hanging on to make sure Trump doesn’t get back into the White House. He’ll be able to die peacefully next November.

Mr. Jimmy just didn't want to be going back and forth to the hospital for every little thing. This is what hospice is, palliative care. Keep the patient comfortable. He's going to just enjoy himself and savor these last days. Good for h im.

Hell, I'd still vote for Jimmy Carter over Trump in the election next year.

I had a dream about him last night.

Sad last months, more like

I'm surprised (but glad) he's still around. When he dies, it will be the end of an era -- almost a symbolic close of the 20th Century.