Madonna Last Night

Dafuk

Um.

Where’s her neck?

Who farted?

Jigsaw.

At her age it's no sin to put on weight but the facial reconstruction is a crime

I think she's tremendous.

I AM THIN AND GORGEOUS!!!

Put in blender: Yma Sumac, Pete Burns, Donatella Versace, Chrissy Teigen and Jessica Alves. Voila, 64 year old Madonna.

She is going to go full Wildenstein.

She and Priscilla Presley should do a nostalgia tour.

She’s gonna eat your children! NOOOOOO

Jigsaw, indeed, R5.

^^😨😂😂😂

Thing is, many 64-year-olds look just fine. Not like kids but not freakshows like that.

Pete Burns would be flattered. I wonder if her low hangers are as low…

She’s written a letter to Daddy

I used to be kind of a fan, she was one of a kind when I was growing up. Now I’m just genuinely worried for her. How she came to this I have no idea. It’s utterly depressing.

What the fuck has she done to her face? As a squillionaire she can certainly afford the best plastic surgery. Poor Madge, no voice and now looks like something out of Saw.

The ass.

lol.

The fillers in her cheeks haven't settled down quite yet. Oh, Doctor!!

Yikes.

Seriously.

Belinda Carlisle one day older than Madonna last week in Britain. The difference there are no words.

Belinda looks like a mess too.

Spot on.

The talking thumb wearing a summer tie in the dead of winter in the Fox News clip is in no position to criticize anyone’s appearance.

But, yeah, our girl looks rough.

LiveNation probably held an emergency meeting this morning.

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Jocelyn Wildenstein territory now.

Here ya go... what the current Madonna reminds me of...

Just when we think it can’t get any worse. It does.

Pete Burns LIVES!

Her plastic surgeon’s license should be revoked.

What's with the Geordi LaForge eyewear?

Her surgeons should be locked up for elder abuse

damn..

She is unrecognizable, she's destroyed her face.

Sharon Stone and Michelle Pfeiffer are exactly the same age as Madonna and they got their plastic surgery done the right way. They're not trying to look 25, they just want to look good for their age and it works. They both look fabulous.

Sharon....

She hit late Peggy Lee and Mae West level of self-deception. Crazy and sad. And by the way, can we just say how terrific Faye D. is in that brief clip from The Messenger. Another nut-job, but often a brilliant actress. Love the forehead and headdress.

Michelle....

Sorry, let's try Michelle again....

Mother looks GAWG! Yassss Mama!!

Well, it looks like it's too late for a Living Will.

Can’t Madonna remove the fillers in her face and the fake ass? Major improvement if she can.

I can’t even look at her, the way she looks now. No eyebrows. It’s unsettling.

She should have left well enough alone. No plastic surgery.

She's obviously being helped up the curb by the guy next holding her hand. Balance issues or just blind due to those stupid black glasses?

Is she mentally unwell? I don't know what happened. She's got to be reading the news/comments this morning and shuddering.

Drugs. It's just drugs, right?

R48, Madonna has clearly become a krokodil addict.

I guess when Madonna was younger she could switch her looks faster and easier. .maybe she's had the concept for a Princess Laya look combined with Little Kim. I just realized that. This weed is fucking good. I do think that's part of why she looms like she does. She's given a lot of herself to herself and her fans. I'd absolutely hate to be famous.

Some people sure are emotionally invested in Madonna's looks. Anyhow, she's getting mass attention for it all and that's the outcome she's always wanted.

Reminds me of when I was starting out.

Sad last days

Madge craves ALL publicity, good and bad.

Can't believe she did this to herself.

Wait until the refrain becomes, in my version of rap ebonics:

No mattah how howt tha partee, never ever allwyoself become a Ciccione

[quote]As a squillionaire she can certainly afford the best plastic surgery.

Well, she's certainly demonstrating that she can afford the MOST...

She's fine! She sends her love! Nothing's changed!

She always stuffed into her ass what wouldn't fit in her face.

...Madge's "greatest hits" tour is going to be a countdown until how long before it's cancelled...

Is she tryingout for the part of Miss Trunchbull?

Who could predict that the end of Madge's life would be a HORROR flick?

Strange that enough celebrities who've had extensive surgeries & access to the most extreme measures of skincare also have a skincare line. There's no way that anything in those over-the-counter serums will ever produce the result that the procedures & medical grade treatments these celebrities are having will produce. Part "thank goodness" & part "how wilfully gullible".

Madge's greatest enemy has traduced her plastic surgeon

everyone is horrified

So, we learn that Madonna made a deal with the devil, and then she broke such deal, and now this is the result.

I'd like to know who is doing her surgery.

Do she and Mickey Rourke go to the same guy?

Sad last days indeed. I’m getting a strong Michael Jackson vibe from all this.

Does she really have no-one in her life who can stop her from hurting herself like this?

I feel really sad for her.

MJ was dignified compared to this.

Jesus, if she needs help up the curb, there’s NO WAY she’ll be able to this upcoming tour.

R69, her legendary terribleness as a person has most likely chased any real friends away.

The Bogdanoff of it all!

She looks like M3GAN.

I don't blame the surgeon, really. Presumably Madonna was spoiled for choice when it came to picking a surgeon. They consulted; she viewed simulations. I'm going to assume the surgeon she saw does other work for people in their right minds, and the results are less shocking to look at. That surgeon likely advised her of what might be considered reasonable limits, and she expressed a desire to vault way, WAY past those limits. Because, you know, that's what she does.

The surgeon's choice then was either to say "I cannot, on ethical and aesthetic grounds, give you work as extensive as what you are asking for" (in which case he'd lose her as a patient and she'd go to someone else) or he could give her what she asked for.

She's clearly turning into Wayland Flowers' sidekick, Madame. Maybe that's where she picked up the "Madame X" shtick, it was supposed to be a guessing game.

It pisses me off so much because she could be aging wonderfully while still being hip and cool. Instead she’s become so lazy with it. Just running to the doctor’s office at any sign of deflation. She’s like a big fat headed balloon. I guess she rationalizes that it’s not risky what she’s doing because it’s all injectibles? I would love to know what she sees when she looks in the mirror.

Here's a case where "Thoughts and Prayers" is most appropriate for her.

I’ve got some wicked entertainment for you my pretty muahahahaha! 🧛‍♀️

While Madonna never had Michelle P. or Sharon S. looks to begin with, she certainly would be much better off if she’d shared their comfort with “moderately assisted” aging.

Madonna: Sad Last Days

Fillers have to be used judiciously but she knows that. Is this a form of body dysmorphia? That she can't *really * see what we see?

Helen Mirren looks fantastic as does Sharon Stone. Madonna is still trying to be hip, trendy and sexy hence the Kardashian ass and facial planes which all surgeons seem to use. Notice all these plastic bitches and trannies like Burns look alike? Same pumped up fish lips, same shaped eyes, same cheeks, chin, etc. Freaks.

I met her last night. We said hi to each other. I think she's gorgeous.

She's the NEW old Peggy Lee!

Hellen Mirren actually managed to get sexier as she got older because she aged so much better than her more beautiful contemporaries.

Yes, the reference to Peggy Lee and Mae West is apt.

But Madge at this point is more at the molting wildlife stage.

What's with the Helga of the Gulag braid?

This tour is going to be a disaster isn't it?

Regardless of her looks and age, I DO BELIEVE that that audience last night, should have got off their lazy asses and stood up for madonna! shameful on their part.....

Nicht Gulag.

Treblinka Kulturcamp!

Ja! Schrei wie eine Jungfrau!

She looks terrible and clownlike, but I recognize her instantly.

Such a shame! Whatever work she had done in middle age paid-off, as she looked great. But, like so many stars before her, she's gone far too far.

It looks like she can't physically can't close her mouth for any period of time. She must sleep with it open and drool a lot.

[quote] Regardless of her looks and age, I DO BELIEVE that that audience last night, should have got off their lazy asses and stood up for madonna! shameful on their part.....

I think that’s a reflection of how liked she is by her peers. Which is to say, not at all.

While she certainly looks worse now than she ever has, I think shortly before her last two tours (at least) she made a couple appearances looking terrible in the face but then looked fine enough for the tour. She gets new work done in advance but doesn’t give it the appropriate time to settle before going out in public.

R90 It was set up weird for that "oh, here's a star" ovation. Small side stage, looking away from audience, they with their backs to her. She'll get a huge ovation when it's In Memoriam time... and from the looks of it, my money says that's this decade.

All this just to be a "pop star" at 64. Sorry, but fuck that. I'm sure she feels uncomfortable to have to do in-person events like this where she can't use filters or Photoshop.

"Make me look as much like Priscilla Presley as possible!"

--Madonna, to plastic surgeon

If she would just pencil in eyebrows she would look so much better. But she's refused to do that since Covid started.

It's like her face was inflated with a tire pump.

If you want to know what Madonna would look like without all the face work, just take a look at her three sisters.

I just saw this on Oddly terrifying on Reddit. As stupid as this will sound, I am still stunned. Idk why, but I am.

R103, her sister on the right looks cool.

The fact that she screams about ageism but won’t let herself age or stand next to someone who isn’t 40 years younger is beyond hilarious. This is also coming from a self-professed “rebel”.

Michelle is the same age as Madonna.

The scar tissue is right out there on her chin.

I'd never do that to my face, guys.

Just saying.

I actually gasped when I saw that pic. Can it get any worse?

R110- Yes, sadly. This is Madonna after all. She has gone from ridiculous to tragic.

I bet all her kids stare at her and think "Die already!" . Can you even imagine what living with her is like ?

The blonde sister to the right of her looks very sweet and like she would invite you in for a good, home-cooked meal.

OP, I need a replica of that head to put on a stick. I’ll use it on my balcony to keep the pigeons away.

Wow! She's completely ruined herself. I wonder what a young Madge would think if she saw how she ended up.

Madonna should star in a film about the late Pete Burns.

No prosthetics would be needed!

bitch i'm madonna

I think I'm turning Japanese.

She looks demonic

Monstrous!

She looks sad, desperate, and disfigured.

[quote] What the fuck has she done to her face? As a squillionaire she can certainly afford the best plastic surgery.

There's only so much plastic surgery can do. If you have procedures done too often, you can't fix things at a certain point.

She's not sickly, she's just filler and plastic surgeryied to death. She looks like a white Lil Kim. Sad.

She's four years older and still recognizable as a human being.

Hideous just hideous.

Here's a story of Madonna's meeting Peggy Lee (with kd lang along for the ride). Madonna wasn't very respectful. lol

They had style, they had grace

Cabbage Patch gave good face

Vadge and her cosmetic surgeon have failed thusfar to address the aged pendulous ear lobes. An easy fix, too.

At this point she starts to resemble Vladimir Putin, face-wise.

Ugh.

R107 Yes, mentioned numerous times already

This is so sad. Drugged out and dancing by herself.

R131 I wonder what she thinks when/if she sees videos of herself the next day - humiliated? Delusionally thinking she looked great?

WTF?

She just remixed her song “Sorry” with BLOND:ish. It’s tragic. Is this tour going to be full of her recent shitty TikTok remixes?

“Okay, I introduced the fat fag and the tranny. I’m out.”

[bold]Madonna posts creepy video after shocking Grammys 2023 appearance[/bold]

[bold]By Nicki Cox[/bold]

[quote]In a creepy Instagram video posted on Monday, the singer walked slowly toward the camera as she hit a whip against the palm of her hand.

[quote]"And the Winner is…,” the pop icon, 64, captioned the short video, which was set to the song “Baddest of Them All” by Eliza Rose and Interplanetary Criminal.

[quote]For the video, Madge paired the strange accessory with the same outfit she wore for the music awards ceremony: a black blazer dress, maxi skirt and white collared shirt.

[quote]In typical fashion, the “Material Girl” singer spiced things up with a black tie, fishnet tights, and a futuristic hairdo.

[quote]However, it wasn’t her outfit that fans were focused on during music’s biggest night.

[quote]After the “Vogue” singer took the stage to introduce Kim Petras and Sam Smith for their controversial performance of “Unholy” on Sunday night, fans flocked to social media to comment on the superstar’s “new face.”

[quote]"Me attempting to ignore the fact that Madonna has a whole new face. #GRAMMYs,” one fan tweeted along with a meme video of Adele looking confused at a basketball game.

[quote]"Has Madonna been nominated for ‘Best New Face’ at this year’s Grammy Awards?” another user quipped.

[quote]"That is not the Madonna I grew up with. This is a lesson for all, embrace aging,” a third person wrote.

[quote]In fact, last year, renowned plastic surgeon Dr. Ehsan Ali listed all the procedures he thinks the songstress has had done to Page Six — including a facelift, nose job and filler.

[quote]Although the seven-time Grammy winner has yet to comment on the criticism, she is no stranger when it comes to facing backlash over her strange social media posts.

[quote]From drinking out of a dog bowl to accidentally posting a nip-slip, fans have voiced their concern for the songstress over her “freaky” new image.

Can't Sean whip her into shape?

She's channeling Pete!

I think she's tremendous!

Well, I’ve heard that some people do get the face that they deserve….

Compare Madonna last night to Bonnie Raitt, who is a decade older. Bonnie looks fabulous, she's had excellent work without looking overdone.

Making fun of Madonna these past few years with you hags have been fun, but this is becoming really depressing now, and I'm only a casual fan. I don't even own an album. She's going to go out like Michael Jackson, clown face and drugs. Thank god my Prince died before he went off the deep end.

do fillers eventually stop filling so her face looks normal? Or can one take "fillers" out?..

I don't see why she did any of this, she was still looking good just a year or two or three years ago... Sounds like all of this went down with her injuries during and after she had to cancel the rest of her tour....

[quote] Regardless of her looks and age, I DO BELIEVE that that audience last night, should have got off their lazy asses and stood up for madonna! shameful on their part.....

They would have, r90 if she had retired, no public appearances whatsoever, after the Super Bowl 2012 performance, and stayed off social media.

Imagine the curiosity and mystery? Her rare presence last night, her deigning to come down from Mount Olympus to give us mere mortals a view of her; to be in her presence, would've truly electrified that audience.

Hell, even her old enemy JLo would given Madonna her due by giving her a standing O.

But no, Madonna is an untreated attention addict. And she hasn't hit bottom yet.

Forget how she looked. It was pitiful that she had to ask, and prompt, her audience to obey her commands. They did so, but it was to humor the old lady.

Fillers do not fully dissolve naturally, and yes they can be dissolved by surgeon. But the problem is they move. And she's been doing this for a number of years. Also her skin has stretched over that enormous puffiness, so when it deflates, she's going to have to pull it all up to top of her head like a pinhead.

I adored her in “Queen Of Blood” with John Saxon. 🥰 🛸

You know, I believe she doesn't gaf what she looks like as long as people are talking about her. No one could possibly want to look like a freak show, but she seems to only care if she is getting attention, any kind of attention.

The criticisms that Madonna can't win because if she didn't butcher her face, people would say "she looks old and wrinkly". Yet I see so many women praised for embracing their age and looking natural.

There is something dark about Madonna these days. A dark energy combined with that distorted face and slurred speech and general awkwardness. What I miss about younger Madonna was her energy and confidence. They have both eroded. And I worry about her and the people around her. WTF does Guy Oseary do? If he is her manager, he should be staging an intervention or having a talk with her. She surrounds herself with these young people who are either being paid or waiting for some reward. Lourdes seems to be as fucked up her mother is. It's weird how both Madonna and Lourdes used to try to be so poised and refined and they both went off the deep end and look like street trash.

I have seen Madonna's previous tours but I cannot afford this upcoming tour. But I guess I got lucky not being able to afford it because judging from her appearance last night, it's going to be a disaster.

And, yes, Madonna is only going to get worse. She's gone too far with the plastic surgery. There is no going back. No reversals. She will just get more, more, more. And look absolutely disgusting. She's become a science project.

R144 "It was pitiful that she had to ask, and prompt, her audience to obey her commands. They did so, but it was to humor the old lady. "

What did she say?

She looks like she reunited with Sean Penn’s fists backstage.

She has been drinking for several years.

I heard that when Janet Jackson's small son misbehaves, she threatens to send him to Auntie Madonna or else!

I believe you, r151.

It looks like she has alcohol bloat, not just in her face, but her body, too.

You know you're in trouble when the Ghost of Michael Jackson is calling for an intervention.

r109, I just saw LG last Friday, and she's gotten buccal fat removal and lip fillers. She's in Madonna's Sticky and Sweet years:

[quote] What did she say?

“This is where you’re supposed to make some noise.”

She exactly like what she is. An aging narcissistic drunken floozy who refuses to accept her age.

R147, it fits into her self-proclaimed victim mentality. She loves to present herself as a martyr.

R157- She looks like exactly what she is. I left out several words, sigh.

Madonna’s last facelift in 2019 was hideous. She could barely blink.

R160- Omg, it looked so very painful.

Gee, a woman with daddy issues who lost her mother at a young age. I’m shocked she’s aging gracelessly.

Leave Amanda Lepore alone!

And they think I'm nuts!!

[quote]Presumably Madonna was spoiled for choice when it came to picking a surgeon. They consulted; she viewed simulations. I'm going to assume the surgeon she saw does other work for people in their right minds, and the results are less shocking to look at.

She is obsessed with Kardashians. Nobody but their surgeon would be good enough.

With a prolapse surgically located on her face, don't trust it's a cigar you see between those lips.

[quote]Compare Madonna last night to Bonnie Raitt, who is a decade older. Bonnie looks fabulous, she's had excellent work without looking overdone.

The huge difference between a performer like Bonnie Raitt and some like Madonna, is quite simple, Madonna's career has been based on hype, artifice, controversy, outrage and most importantly, visuals. Madonna's music has taken a backseat to the artifice and sexual imagery, of course, Madonna can't face getting older. Her music cannot stand alone without the artifice.

Bonnie's career has been solely based on her music, not big stage productions and changing her image every few months.

Is it possible to repair such damage to ones face?

...someone like Madonna...

[quote]Is it possible to repair such damage to ones face?

Yes, put it in a wood chopper.

Remember back in the Mid 90s when a disciplined, well put-together Madonna (rightfully) shaded the hot mess that was Courtney Love?

Fast-Forward to 2023 and Madonna is the drugged out mess while Courtney is looking fab for her age with much better cosmetic surgery!

Here's Courtney just a few weeks ago at a Fendi event. How the tables have turned!

The infamous Madonna - Courtney Love exchange in 1995.

R170- I really don't recommend it.

R172- I watched that live and it was hilarious. Legendary.

I thought gay men worshipped Madge ? This is outright hatred . Why?

R171 Courtney looks great. Considering she was a hardcore drug addict, I have to give her props. This must bug the shit out of Vadge to no end, knowing celebrity women in her age group and older still have human faces, while she looks like a freak of fucking nature.

Do so many surgical procedures and alterations cause a lot of pain? Or chronic pain because she really has piled it on. About 20 years ago, I had an acquaintance who had collagen lip injections and said it was horribly painful at first and quite sore for a while afterwards. Never again, she said and stuck with it. She got a small vicodin prescription. Could the surgeries be a cover or justification to get pain killers? She's such a control freak I could see that rationalization as part of her denial. Not an addict.

If Madonna's mixing opiods and alcohol, she's screwed.

The Madonna was not a Martyr!

Lucky thing, R167, since Bonnie Raitt's "voice" has had enough wide-and-wobbly vibrato for the last 30 years to swing a cow through.

R167 total bullshit. Madonna put out a lot memorable music. And tons of shit. But a lot of good stuff. It stands on its own and was beloved by the public on radio in the old days.

R175, I can only speak for myself. I don't hate Madge. I respect her legacy, her determination, the discipline she exhibited for decades and the occasionally excellent Pop Recordings she's left behind.

What I hate is the mess she's made of her legacy. The horrid plastic surgery. The desperation. The refusal to step aside and gracefully claim her place as a legend & mentor to today's Pop Flavors of The Month.

If I'm laughing, it's to keep from crying. I never thought she'd end up this pathetic.

FFS, even Mamie Van Doren, who's 92 and still going strong (she posts constantly on Twitter) looks better than Madonna these days. Below is a recent non-photoshopped picture of her.

I love Mamie. She's fun, has good politics (she despises Drumpf), and seems to be getting a lot of joy out of life.

I was thinking of going to see her for the first (and last) time since she does have a great catalog of hits and is a legend, but I don't want to fund her faces.

I feel bad for her. We don't know what it's like to be a superstar female at a young age and then to not get airplay and adoration like she once did, then people started making fun of her because she had veins in her hands so she began wearing gloves to hide them. Being a star has its downsides.

I wonder if somewhere along the way she's suffered some organic brain damage, not (only) the assumed personality issues. Something that would show up on a brain scan.

And guess who is still gorgeous at 77?

This was taken at the Marc Jacobs show the other night, the one Lourdes was denied entry to.

I don't think DL hates Madonna. They hate what she's become. A mess. A tragic mess. People admired Madonna for her ambition, her hard work, her music, surrounding herself with the best music producers, video directors and choreographers and having the balls to do things like the Sex book.

It's disappointing to see Madonna become obsessed with plastic surgery, putting implants into her ASS of all places and just getting more filler while her music has gotten shittier over the years.

She is the Queen of Pop but her behaviour over the past few years doesn't reflect her status.

I think people are also concerned about her. She really has went over the deep end. I think it was around 2018 or 19 when the bottom fell out.

[quote]If I'm laughing, it's to keep from crying. I never thought she'd end up this pathetic.

No offense but, Mary!

R180, I think that both you & R167 are correct.

R180 is correct in recognizing that Bonnie Rait made her living and gained fame as a MUSICIAN first & foremost. Imaging & controversy were non-factors. And she didn't find any mainstream success or hits until she was 20 plus years into her recording career.

Madonna on the other hand was ALL image, visuals, controversy & publicity stunts over musicianship. BUT fortunately for us, she still managed to provide us with some outstanding, expertly produced Pop Recordings that still hold up today.

Debbie Harry does indeed look fabulous for 77. She had her face done by Dr. Sherrell Aston, the high society NY plastic surgeon. Maybe Madonna should've gone to him.

I think the lack of eyebrows and weird hair really emphasize the filler. What did Michael K call that one girl, chicken cutlets?

But really, has Cher’s plastic surgery been any better? somehow bad plastic surgery became part of her shtick, in part because she has a sense of humor, so gays still love her. Madonna lost her sense of humor in the ‘90s.

r191 but looking isn't the style.

the brief quarantine during covid pushed many celebs into DIY horror stories and butchershop frakensteins... that is the style. It's too late to set the trend back.

^ looking good isn't the style...

Debbie Harry or Debi Mazar should at least have passed along the names of where they get their work done to old hag Madge.. Or perhaps it's old fashioned Joan Collins tape and makeup for Mazar, I know Harry has gotten one or two facelifts for sure but not much else. Madonna is much younger than the women DL talks about in the same breath as her (DH, Cher etc) and looks so much worse.

r195 The mindset of Madge, though, is she has to go to a big name.

the big names in the celebrity cosmetic industry aren't too far from looking like Madge, themselves, well, more in a David Cassidy sort of way.

Dolly Parton also has obvious surgery but still looks like Dolly. And is also over a decade older than Madge. And her sisters all look fine, much better than she does. How did the daddy issues seemed to only affect her alone?

Madonna once had a sense of humor?

R198- TIL...

Cher, Dolly and Joan all offset their plastic surgery with their humor. Madonna is humorless and takes herself too seriously so the sad plastic surgery is even more prominent. Cher, Dolly and (RIP) Joan joked it away.

Will she be able to perform this latest concert? I mean if she is this far gone as you say….

Here's Cher, a couple of months ago, presenting Diane Warren with an Honorary Oscar. A dozen years older than Madonna, she has had a shit ton of plastic surgery but still gives good Cher, looks great in a mini, and is hilarious with Diane. Cher always generates good will and affection at these functions, like Dolly, and unlike Madonna.

r197 for Dolly, look at that first controlling relationship was her trigger.,.. but she also saw the town harlot as role model, a vision of independence... combine those two and you have her pathos.

r200 yeah, Cher has long been open it's about what she thinks looks good not anyone else.... but being aware other people think it's extreme.

though she's more the classic example of poor self esteem. before the surgeries, she never thought she was beautiful nor talented, she was just going through the motions and then with the divorce, it became her career to keep her children with the privileges fame and fortune bring. She was always a kind of sad figure. Her and dolly both.

Some wrinkles are not so bad, you get used to them. Madonna, honey, age gracefully, please.

Is she still "serving cunt?"

How on earth could she age gracefully at this point? That soufflé has fallen

Dolly and Cher also have compassion for others, something Madonna does not have that I have ever seen.

[quote]With their fillers dissolved, customers in search of a more angular face are now lining up for buccal-fat removal.

[quote]“Instead of luscious lips and small noses, we’re seeing defined jawlines and cheekbones,” says Patel. “In 2017, it was about looking young and cute, but now people are like, I don’t want to look like I’m 15. I want to look like I’m 28 and sexy.” There’s a name for this new face: snatched.

[quote]“You build the mountain with filler, and you dig the valley with buccal-fat removal,” Patel explains.

[quote]“People wanna look more snatched without drawing attention to themselves, so they’re asking for very elegant lips and refined jawlines without a lot of volume,” says Ramtin Kassir, a Manhattan surgeon who does Snooki, some New Jersey Housewives, and my cousin.

[quote]“It’s the chic look, if you will,” says Ourian. “It’s a chiseled look. You have nice high cheekbones. You want to look like you haven’t done anything — you just naturally look this good.”

I've been trying to figure out what Matt Bomer has done to his face and now I know!

Huh? Matt looks the same as he has for years.

I don’t think it’s just bad plastic surgery. Maybe she also has a pill and/or alcohol problem.

"Comeback tours don't go in for FILLERS and BUTT IMPLANTS!"

"Madonna's Last Night"

But this isn't a comeback tour.

I don’t get why she’s going on a huge tour she doesn’t seem physically well. Is she not as rich as she’s thought to be?

She's bored and needs attention. She has no ideas worthy of an album. Flop director. Flop actress. People still DO like her. I can see the carrot.

[quote] Gee, a woman with daddy issues who lost her mother at a young age. I’m shocked she’s aging gracelessly.

You think she’s the only one with those issues? You know she has a bunch of siblings, right? The majority of people don’t turn out like this.

Celine Dion is richer than Madonna. Madonna gives a huge portion of her money to the Kabbalah Center and she has six kids she’s paying for. She’s not broke, just delusional. She’s also not a billionaire. That was debunked by Forbes. She was also outed as a tax cheap via the Panama Papers. Her and the Kabbalah Center have been under FBI investigation for fraud multiple times. Her Raising Malawi charity is a front.

She also has to pay off her ex-husband.

*had

This tour is going to be a disaster. She has 1-2 days off between shows and it’s going to go on all through this year and next. She is fat as a hot and mentally unwell.

[quote] There’s a name for this new face: snatched.

What in Boomer hell is this?

[quote] Some wrinkles are not so bad, you get used to them. Madonna, honey, age gracefully, please.

That ship has said. She’s beyond Joan Rivers territory. This is Pete Burns.

Sadly she thinks the tour will make her relevant again.

R220 You know those incredibly sad videos of MJ rehearsing for the tour planned just as he OD'ed. Something about the huge pressure of no longer being able to perform "Michael Jackson" killed him, I think. The gap between the real body and soul and the Huge Human Michael Jackson was just too much.

I think Madge is taking it to that same crisis point: how can this bloated, puffy ass old lady deliver anything like "Madonna"... the gap is unbridgeable.

Tears before bedtime, In Memoriam looming.

If Madonna has 500 million she is endlessly extravagantly rich. You don't need a billion to be rich. Sheesh!

Add Madame to the blender!

The title of this thread could've easily been "Madonna's Last Days."

Looks like a blow up doll that needs a dildo in the mouth.

Madonna is going on tour to restore her legacy. She's alienated her fan base and the casual fans. But it's too late. She has done too much damage to her legacy and she's not fit to go tour - mentally or physically.

Guy Oseary is a HORRIBLE manager. At the end of the day, Madonna is responsible for herself. But, as her manager, he should not be allowing her to go on such a grueling tour in her state. For someone who has been with Madonna for over 30 years, he really doesn't care about her. He's just another money-grubbing hanger-on.

She needs the spotlight!

I didn't see it but I read she did her, "This is where you clap" direction to the bored audience. She still thinks she's on her Blonde Ambition tour and frigging herself with a crucifix in front of her dad.

I'm glad I saw her 'Blonde Ambition' concert pre-cell phone, full of so many fun dance routines. She was at her peak in 1990.

When tickets for her new shows were made available, many friends and acquaintances posted screencaps of their ticket confirmations. I felt not a shred of FOMO. Who would want to sit and watch that monstrous mug on huge arena screens as she sings off-key?

[quote]Who would want to sit and watch that monstrous mug on huge arena screens as she sings off-key?

To say nothing of the sitting and waiting. But it's going to be an entertaining story to follow from afar, I'll say that.

Helen Mirren had a full facelift several years ago. So people using her as an example of natural aging need to get a clue!

I predict a repeat of Whitney's last tour......

[quote]She’s beyond Joan Rivers territory. This is Pete Burns.

And I'm the terminus. Unless Madonna wants to build on top of my foundation. And by the looks of it, it might be case.

[quote] Helen Mirren had a full facelift several years ago. So people using her as an example of natural aging need to get a clue!

No one is talking about natural aging. We’re talking about hacking up your face to the point that you look like a freak show. She has body dysmorphia.

[quote]Fast-Forward to 2023 and Madonna is the drugged out mess while Courtney is looking fab for her age with much better cosmetic surgery!

Courtney can't open one of her eyes, and her lips are as big as Madonna's. I wouldn't say her surgery is better. There's been less of it, but it's still bad.

No one is more gorgeous than Vadge.

Faye Dunaway+Joni Mitchel+Lil' Kim.

Jesus she looks just like her.

[quote][R167] total bullshit. Madonna put out a lot memorable music. And tons of shit. But a lot of good stuff. It stands on its own and was beloved by the public on radio in the old days.

Not "bullshit" at all.

It's a fact dear, Madonna would be nothing without the advent of MTV. Her entire schtick is mostly based on her image, her visual appeal was extremely important to her success. Her fans always eagerly awaited her next new 'image'. It appears, her latest image is pre-death Pete Burns.

Her music is not memorable and her songs were usually written by five or more people. Face facts, she's not very talented. Madonna will be remembered more for her controversies and imagery than her music.

There's no pointing arguing with Madonna stans, they never like to hear actual facts. Especially how she's ripped of so many past icons and especially fashion industry people.

There are several websites dedicated to those she's plagiarized. Do some fucking research. I'll help you get started, here's one website.

r244, I worked on, "This Is It" (if you blink, you'll miss me), MJ was so fragile, we all knew he couldn't do a 3 month tour in the UK. However when he rehearsed, he truly transformed in to MIchael Jackson. We just thought he would at least last a month and take some time off.

It was sad to see Madonna on the stage, with images of her up on the screen when she was fit and relatively untouched.

Exactly how is R180 correct about Madonna?

Madonna's day has come and gone, today's young people, especially those who listen to pop and rock music, aren't interested in these types of performers.

A Vegas stage show versus actual music doesn't appeal to these types of music fans. In fact, most young pop and rock fans mine the past for their music, or, at least, listen to musicians who are derivative of past bands. Hipsters could give a flying shit about Madonna and her elaborate stage act.

My teen and 20+ year old nieces and nephews would rather listen to Hendrix, Led Zeppelin, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones and 1960s R'n'B than schlock like Madonna. They've discovered lots of gems in their parents record collection.

I'm a huge Led Zeppelin fan it's amazing how many young people are now into a band whose career ended even before these new fans were even born. It seems highly doubtful Madonna's music will ever have that level of fandom, let alone, that band's musical impact.

[quote]Helen Mirren had a full facelift several years ago. So people using her as an example of natural aging need to get a clue!

It doesn’t matter how many facelifts Helen Mirren had, the woman still looks NORMAL. Mad-Donna looks like a circus freak. That fake ass isn’t doing her any favors either.

Even Dolly with all her plastic surgery still looks like herself, not some character from a horror film.

Perhaps, Madonna does want to look like Jigsaw? Madonna seems to have a huge problem with constantly ripping off others imagery.

This plastic surgeon has a photographic timeline of Madonna’s many procedures. He thinks she had her first facelift at age 37. She looked “refreshed” and still recognizable at 50, but by 2010 she was going overboard with the fillers. It’s been downhill ever since.

She looks so much like her father.

Madonna looks so much like her father, Silvio Ciccone, especially in this photo.

She's morphing into Silvio, well, if he had odd disfiguring plastic surgery.

Oh look, she's reinvented herself again.

If she would accept her age, ,maybe she could be like Bonnie Raitt and win a Grammy.

No one, NO ONE, looks good with those inflated duck lips.

She looks like an alien...an ELDERLY alien.

Madonna had her narcissistic ego crushed by Guy Richie. She never has recovered, imho.

If the Catwoman Widlestein , Jigsaw and Pete Burns had a baby…. WTF did this bitch do to her face? It’s not even plastic, it’s cement. Is she going for Asian Fusion for her eyes? Alien light for the lack of eyebrow ? She gained weight ok makes sense she can’t work out the way she did even 10 years ago due to her many surgeries and hip/knee issues but her face doesn’t even resemble a mockery of Madonna. It’s not even Madonna-esque. Imagine her kids looking at her and then having to go to sleep soundly that night ?

The real tragedy isn’t her face or ass (both tragic in their on right), but her desperate attempts to be interesting and relevant. Even in her heyday, she wasn’t an interesting person. She was a brilliant marketer and a hard worker. Nothing more.

Her face looks like an over-stuffed, lumpy pillow. Madonna has managed to destroy her looks, reputation, and legacy.

[quote]No one, NO ONE, looks good with those inflated duck lips.

It's not only the bizarre duck lips, her entire face is now deformed. Is that fake ass actually an implant or does she wear some type of prosthetic ass? She was never much in the curves department, she never had much of an ass or hips, she was slim but appeared to have big tits or were those fake too?

While never a classic or great beauty, Madonna was attractive. No one can accuse her of being facially ugly.

Madonna definitely appears to have body dysmorphia as well as a great fear of aging. Add that in with her career being mostly based on her sex appeal, and image, this is sure a huge recipe for disaster!

I am so, so very tired of that 20s Berlin / Tom of Finland thing she’s been doing for decades now. A whip. A bit of leather. A pathetic dominatrix act…

[quote]The real tragedy isn’t her face or ass (both tragic in their on right), but her desperate attempts to be interesting and relevant. Even in her heyday, she wasn’t an interesting person. She was a brilliant marketer and a hard worker. Nothing more.

I've never found Madonna to be personable, charming, interesting or likable, she's always seemed odious and off-putting. This woman also made no bones about using other celebrities. Basically, she was blatant about everything, there were never any surprises with her. Madonna doesn't come across as being very deep. She's all surface.

Even recently, when she was on Jimmy Fallon last year, she made a snide remark about her former lover, Dancerteria DJ, Mark Kamins being dead. Even with all she's achieved, she comes across like a bratty spoiled high school mean girl. Despite her fame and fortune, her insecurity keeps shining through. That behavior coming from a successful woman in her 60s, sure isn't a good look. This woman has more money than brains.

Yes, she sure missed her true calling, marketing for an ad agency!

[quote]It's a fact dear, Madonna would be nothing without the advent of MTV. Her entire schtick is mostly based on her image, her visual appeal was extremely important to her success.

This is true of every artist from the 80s. Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, Annie Lennox, Boy George etc. That was just part of that era of music.

Yes but some of the people in your list are musical geniuses — Madonna is not, R261

Madonna is a train wreck now, but her 80s/90s catalog still holds up. She made some great pop music.

That is also true. Time will tell whether „Like a Virgin“ will be on par with „Purple Rain“ a decade or three from now.

^ I could barely keep a straight face

R126 Thanks. I remember reading about Madonna meeting Peggy Lee but I thought that first incident was more disrespectful than related. A lot of set up leading to rather disappointing one line of bitchiness.

Isn’t there also a story of Madonna visiting Lee, who was enshrined in her bed holding court,and she crawled on the bed with her?

Who knew that the Chinese balloon was actually Madonna's face!

[quote]This is true of every artist from the 80s. Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, Annie Lennox, Boy George etc. That was just part of that era of music.

Again, not true at all. Michael Jackson had been well known before MTV, remember the group with his brothers, The Jackson Five? Are you serious?

Whitney would have been a star without MTV, she had raw talent. Same with Boy George, he had a great unique voice and good songs.

I bought import singles by The Police without even knowing what they looked like. I heard the Police's import singles on college radio, went to a downtown NYC indie record shop and bought a lot of the music I heard being played on college and progressive rock radio.

I didn't need MTV to tell me what music I should purchase, especially based on a musician's visuals. That wasn't important to me. I've always had diverse taste in music anyway, I sure wasn't going to have some ridiculous video suck me in.

Remember, there was no internet back then, before MTV started saturating TV with music videos, we weren't bombarded daily with any sort of gossip or information about pop music. Most fans had to wait at least a month for music publications and celebrity magazines to hit the newsstands. Except for newspapers, there wasn't much celebrity and music info out there.

r269 MJ's image and videos made him a superstar.

[quote]Remember, there was no internet back then, before MTV started saturating TV with music videos, we weren't bombarded daily with any sort of gossip or information about pop music. Most fans had to wait at least a month for music publications and celebrity magazines to hit the newsstands. Except for newspapers, there wasn't much celebrity and music info out there.

And MTV changed all of that. Music became very visual in the 80s. Artists who were not photogenic didn't become big stars anymore.

Quien es esa niña?

For those who are marveling Belinda Carlisle's juvenile complexion, she spilled the beans on what procedure she was getting to keep it firm and dewy to Joan Rivers: she's using Ultherapy, a cosmetic surgery device that heats the skin locally with ultrasounds locally to kickstart collagen production. And I think that sometimes, for special events, she gets a little extra help in the form of tapes hiding in her hair to lift the skin backwards (a.k.a. the Croydon facelift). That was ten years ago, but I have every reason to think she's still resisting the call of the scalpel.

She's looks completely NON BINARY- as in a being who's from another dimension.

R271 it’s the new Star Wars character!

What should Madonna’s Star Wars name be?

The stuff of nightmares.

Fuck.

R272 Bitchlinda looks nonhuman these days.

So many of you bitches revel in this nightmarish transformation, and it is low hanging fruit, but it really leaves me a little heartbroken. She has been in the spotlight my entire life and when I was a miserable teenager something of her “DGAF” persona helped me toughen up and not take shit from others. It’s terribly sad to see her entire persona crumble. It turns out she really did GAF. I think a lot of it may be the pressure for female pop stars to stay young and sexually desirable. That’s bound to mess a person up.

She’d been on a downward trajectory since she released Confessions (her last good album). I think it began with that horse riding accident where she basically realised her husband didn’t really give a shit about her. Then the divorce. The bang to her head at the Brits. The following year riding onto stage on a kid’s bicycle dressed as a pink haired clown with her butt hanging out. I genuinely think she has brain damage. I hope she gets the help she needs and stays the fuck away from her clearly incompetent cosmetic surgeon.

R279

MARY!!!!!!!

Same here r279. I was in second grade when Madonna first became famous, I grew up with her. She was such a gay-positive person when there were very, very few in the public eye during my formative years. She meant a lot to those of us who grew up with her in the extremely homophobic 80s and 90s. It's sad to see what she's become. She's a modern Norma Desmond and it's too bad.

The DLers going on and on about how she's talentless and try to diminish her musical legacy are probably mostly Boomers. Boomers have always hated Madonna. My parents couldn't stand her. Ironic, since Madonna is a Boomer herself but Gen X are the ones who really got her and made her a star.

R281 et. al. Hmm. As someone who was pretty old when Madonna first broke, I always thought of her as a commercial product. Not too far from the Kardashian shit of her time. Had some good hits. Kept responding to trends - in a way to keep "controversial" - but this controversy, pushing limits, always seemed a show biz/commercial decision to me. Not a deeply held social, personal, political, artistic necessity. She was never Bowie; she wasn't even Elton John. She was more like Cher, Tina Turner, Donna Summer. Part of her "brand" was sociological importance - but I never really believed it was core to who she was: she needed to be a star, not leading a revolution.

If you were a young gayling, or outsider, in the 80s and early 90s I see that her impact was different.

But now in old age we see a failing star, not a cultural icon.

;;;;;;;

Unfiltered.

R282 I mostly agree with your assessment, but for one thing: Cher and Tina Turner were always "in on the joke". This allowed them to draw crowds well into their 60s and even 70s.

Madonna has always taken herself way too seriously, and it's manifesting itself today in the horrid spy balloon that is her face.

Oh god she’s awful. Does she wake up screaming every morning only to find her nightmare is real? And it’s her face?

"Helen Mirren had a full facelift several years ago. So people using her as an example of natural aging need to get a clue!"

I'm sure she's had work - Michelle Pfeiffer, too - but unlike Madge they knew when to stop

The Grammys was hell on earth.

Michelle Pfeiffer said that your aim should be to look good for your age, not not look your age. That’s when everything goes wrong. Trying to look 25 at 64 is going to be a disaster. The bone in your face deteriorates as you age. The only way to fill that bit in is through fillers. That makes you look like a cushion.

Michelle last night.

Madonna has always been jealous.

Welcome to Madonna's Gargoyle era.

woot

I’m a millennial and I never found Madonna to be a grand artist either. She was fun and provocative, but for attention rather than any sort artistic value. The Bowie comparisons are nonsensical, he was a trend hopper but wrote most of his (and some other people’s - see Iggy Pop) iconic material. Even Debbie Harry comparisons don’t make too much sense, Madonna reworked the image of Debbie for herself but not much else. Debbie was a huge part of the original punk/no-wave NYC movement. Madonna was just a club kid who wouldn’t take no for an answer from the DJs she fucked.

Cher is the best comparison, I agree. She is also someone who relied mostly on image and glamour as an entertainer, but unlike Madge, Cher can laugh at herself.

By the time you get old, you get the face you deserve. She’s earned this.

Cher is not an apt comparison. Cher had a very successful career as an actress, which is something that Madonna would have sold her soul for.

Madonna has a soul ?

With all the work on her face she's joined the Jocelyn Wildenstein club, she could pass for her sister.

Yikes

[quote]And MTV changed all of that. Music became very visual in the 80s. Artists who were not photogenic didn't become big stars anymore.

That statement doesn’t make any of this acceptable, style-over-substance made pop music more superficial and disposable. Who cares about a performer's image if their music is absolute garbage?!

Not photogenic? There sure were tons of ugly musicians in the 80s, WTF are you talking about? So many of those New Wave, hair bands and punk bands were ugly, but since so many of the videos were clever and/or entertaining, that explained a song’s success. As long as the band had some absurd gimmick, kooky hairdo, half-naked women and crazy outfits on the band, MTV played their videos. The more ridiculous, the better.

Videos with over-the-top imagery definitely sucked in many music fans. Many of those same fans had no idea that videos had originated many years before MTV. That’s a whole other topic.

MTV absolutely proved that the actual music was about to take a backseat to utter nonsense, contrived controversy and ridiculous stage productions.

Shitty performers, especially those who were all surface, became extremely popular due to MTV and that sure wasn’t a good thing for the music itself. You sure don’t see any of that bullshit when you listen to music on some device.

MTV was not about music, it was about artifice. That’s never a good thing!

[quote]MTV absolutely proved that the actual music was about to take a backseat to utter nonsense, contrived controversy and ridiculous stage productions.

The 80s had some great music. It wasn't all flash over substance. The New Wave bands had a lot of good music.

[quote]Shitty performers, especially those who were all surface, became extremely popular due to MTV and that sure wasn’t a good thing for the music itself. You sure don’t see any of that bullshit when you listen to music on some device.

Sometimes you just want a fun song with fun performers. People standing on stage in dirty jeans with an acoustic guitar can get boring.

[quote] You sure don’t see any of that bullshit when you listen to music on some device.

Yeah because there are no talentless, shitty singers these days!

Madonna, be yourself at any age. You'll find you are loved anyway.

The person that Madonna resembles most talent wise is JLo. All marketing and hype with zero substance.

Madonna had a lot of good songs r303, JLo's songs are generic shit. Offhand, I can't think of any of her songs from 20-plus years ago. Madonna definitely has a number of classics.

I don't think Maddona is as bad as J Lo. That's just mean to say.

Madonna looks like a cross between Ivana Trump and an old Italian Nonna who was hit repeatedy with a frying pan.

[quote]Yeah because there are no talentless, shitty singers these days!

There are tons of shit 'singers' and bands these days. For example, I cannot understand Taylor Swisher's fame. She absolutely sucks. She's boring and twee.

I barely listen to current music. I don't need to, I listen to many genres of music, not just rock and pop. There is literally a world of music out there to explore, which means, people have no reason to complain. Unless they feel the need to belong to some demographic which forces them to listen to new bands. No one is holding a gun to your head forcing you to listen to current pop music.

It freaks me out how much she resembles (an exaggerated version of) Kylie Jenner, who's obviously had a shit ton of work done herself, but is also 40 years younger. The mere thought of the amount of filler in that face makes me feel queasy. It must be half a gallon.

What would be really shocking from her is getting her shit together, releasing a couple of great songs (not following the latest fads) and putting on a great tour. She doesn't have to dance and be shocking, just perform the hits and be professional. She still has it in her, she had incredible self-discipline.

Madonna if you're reading, we still believe in you!

It looks like she's had fillers injected everywhere (tits, too). When she should have just had a facelift. And that outfit devours her neck up so that she looks like a pumpkinhead.

[quote]The 80s had some great music. It wasn't all flash over substance. The New Wave bands had a lot of good music. Sometimes you just want a fun song with fun performers. People standing on stage in dirty jeans with an acoustic guitar can get boring.

I NEVER mentioned any specific performers. I never posted that all the 80s and 90s music was awful, it wasn't, a lot of great bands came out of those years.

I enjoyed, and still listen to, The Police, Boy George/Culture Club, The Pretenders, The Jam, The Specials, Blondie, The English Beat, Squeeze and many others. You can see from my list, that most of these bands made great music and most of them barely depended on videos to have hits. I still think Boy George would have made it even if he didn't have his image, he had a great voice and catchy tunes.

My point was, ANY singer, or band, with extreme gimmicks, a listener doesn't see any of that video bullshit, or the imagery, when you listen to the actual music. If the music is great, that's all that should matter. Got that?

My mom told me, when Tom Jones first released records in the US, the record company didn't want any photos of him on the LP covers, they wanted people to believe he was Black, not a white guy from Wales!

20 years ago Madonna admitted that she Road the MTV wave and that was responsible for her early success. It was pretty shocking to hear her admit that.

R304 Desperately Seeking Susan is an 80s film and has some of her songs from over 20 years ago!

Into the groove, Papa don't preach, Take a bow, Vogue, Who's that girl, Like a prayer, Live to tell... so many. She has talent.

It seems Lourdes is going down the same route. Hopefully the Celebration tour setlist doesn't turn out to be a massive disappointment.

I dont remember where i heard it,but it was some guy telling Madonna that she was naked ambition without the talent to back it up . I always agreed with that .Yes,she had some great songs,but if you are honest with yourself her voice on them was thin at best.Her back up singers really fleshed the songs out. Ive long maintained that videos is the ONLY reason she ever made it.MJ would have been a nostalgia act without videos too.

All of the 80s artists owed their success to videos and MTV. All of them. That was just what the 80s and that era of music was about. And much of the music held up on its own.

[quote]I'd like to know who is doing her surgery.

From the look of things, she goes to "The Lady Topaz," a silicone pumper in the bad part of town.

She should cast Amanda LePore in the movie of her life.

What about the the working title "Sunset Crazy Train"?

What do you think, Charles? Can we get away with the old dame shoving her tits and snatch out at the world and it isn't even 1920s Berlin even? I mean, we don't want her to be too pathetic. Hey, how about a nymphomaniac daughter and a little person son. You know, a dwarf!

I agree that Madonna wouldn't have found success in the sixties or seventies because she can't sing well and her image is a big part of her success. However, you can look at her streaming numbers to see if her music is still popular, and she does pretty good for a legacy artist.

If I had that kind of money I would not be running around doing concerts and basically 'working' but I guess there really IS something to be said for loving adoration.

I just don't really get that.

r321 if I had Madonna's $$$ I would be fully retired and splitting my time between a villa in Tuscany and a chalet in Switzerland. Fuck trying to still be relevant in the music business after a certain age, it's more trouble than it's worth.

Shania Twain had the right idea - cash the fuck out and go live in gorgeous Switzerland.

And what does she need to prove at this point? She conquered the music industry for about as long as a Pop star could in any capacity--certainly longer than her contemporaries, most of whom are sadly deceased. I don't understand why she needs to stay relevant when accomplishing what she has in her career.

[quote] if I had Madonna's $$$ I would be fully retired and splitting my time between a villa in Tuscany and a chalet in Switzerland.

Yes, but who would be part of your community? Madonna is a social person who, from what it looks like just based on her appearance, hasn’t had a real friend in years. Her son David has had to fill the void in some ways, unfairly to him.

Someone above said she should live like Shania Twain, living a quiet peaceful life. Except Shania is actually a loner and from what I have read about her, always has been. Plus, she does not need the spotlight the way Madonna does.

Why is her left hip still sticking so far out from her leg while she pushes the other leg out? It looks so bizarre. Her body is just a mess.

She’s now posted an essay on how mean everyone is to her and ageist and blah, blah, blah. Name-dropping. The works. Stupid hideous cow.

10 years.

She is an Icon, she is a legend and she is THE moment

^^in 1985, sweetie

The pics from last night make my stomach drop in horror. I’m watching a macabre movie about a old pop star out of her mind insane, looking like a monster. A monster.

I try to imagine I am her and feel an actual panic attack gearing up. Imagine being her, looking into a mirror. How does it feel?

[quote] So many of you bitches revel in this nightmarish transformation, and it is low hanging fruit, but it really leaves me a little heartbroken.

r279, I'm not dragging you when I write the following. I thought your post was from the heart, thoughtful and well written.

I actually wrote a variation of what you write here 12 YEARS AGO.

Watching Madonna perform at the 2012 Super Bowl Half-Time Show, it was obvious then that her peak performing years were in her rear-view mirror.

True, her SB show was entertaining and a spectacle, but it all had an atmosphere of a final encore, or what SHOULD have been her encore.

There was quite a lively DL thread about her 2012 SB performance, and I, as well as many others, expressed how wistful and sad we felt.

Now, she's the aging woman in the smoke-filled bar, drinking alone with that unspoken somebody-pick-me-up-please! air to her.

I hate what she's done to herself.

R331 oh Lordy! MARY!!!!!

A lesson, again, that money doesn't mean sanity. In fact, it often just funds the crazy.

I present, The Duchess of Alba:

^ Madonna in a few years

"Shania Twain had the right idea - cash the fuck out and go live in gorgeous Switzerland."

Like Norma Desmond, they just can't stay away.

[quote]All of the 80s artists owed their success to videos and MTV. All of them. That was just what the 80s and that era of music was about. And much of the music held up on its own.

Of course, that's not true at all. Lots of those bands would have made it without MTV. Vadge, not so much, that's why she's still desperately seeking relevance! It’s sure not about money, it’s about proving something. However, she comes across as pathetic and extremely desperate. Not to mention, with her hideous new face, she's a laughing stock.

FYI, lots of bands and singers from that era are still producing interesting music.

Fashion inspirations:

I watched the Grammys and I wouldn't have guessed that that woman was Shania Twain in a million tries.

Funny how Madonna screams about misogyny when her excessive botched cosmetic surgeries scream internalized misogyny.

She's always paraded herself as a feminist but talks shit about other women. Massive hypocrite.

And then she puts herself on a pedestal and tells everyone to bow down and refers to them as bitches and motherfuckers.

It's never been about fighting for other's rights or supporting causes or starting a discussion. It's all a lie to sound intelligent and selfless. It's always been about herself and no-one else.

Feminist and gay ally were always just costumes she put on when it suited her. There's no there there.

Poor Lourdes and all those black souvenirs from Africa Madonna is raising!!!

And I thought having to push my mom’s brains back in her head to keep from ruining those vintage Versace sheets was tough.

Said it before a few years ago here, Madonna's genetic progression is to grow into a cute chubby Italian Grandma and she is fighting it tooth and nail. Sad.

Her leather with a whip costume is as tired as Michael Jackson's military look.

How dare you not pay attention to her speech!

It's a bit rich for her to complain that criticism of her puffed out face, which looks like she's having an allergic reaction to a bee sting, is 'ageist'! Given that the whole purpose behind this hideousness is for her to NOT look her age! Talk about projection...

Yeah no one's buying that, she looks like an alien, an old reptilian alien.

🎹Borderliiine personality disorder 🎹

And she can’t be embarrassed or humiliated into submission.

R334, I think she's tremendous!

Shania looks like BrendaD.

Borderline, narcissistic, and histrionic personality disorder. She also shows signs of sociopathy.

I wonder what her friends and x boyfriends all think of what she’s turned into.

Did she have her kids sign NDAs too? According to her brother Madonna is afraid of confrontation and has others do her dirty work. This includes telling her boyfriends that she’s moving on. The shit her people must see on a daily basis…

Rocco and Lourdes need to stage an intervention

[quote]According to her brother Madonna is afraid of confrontation and has others do her dirty work.

That surprises me because narcissists typically LOVE conflict and thrive on shit-stirring. I guess Madonna sees herself as above all that and has her flying monkeys do it for her.

Madonna is not as smart as she thinks she is. She’s the Trump of music. She continually stole and slapped her name on other people’s work. There was no low she wouldn’t stoop to for attention.

What did she steal?

There's loads of stories of ripping off songs like Justify My Love, Vogue from unknown artists plus some of her producers saying they make demos and she adds very little to the overall song.

I really think she's slowly being poisoned from all the cement in her face and ass leaking out and causing brain damage.

If she had hip problems, why did she get that giant ass installed...adding extra weight and stress on the joints? Makes no sense.

She looked good up until a few years ago when she was trying to keep it natural

She's really getting dragged on social media. Maybe this will make her reconsider some stuff.

Can you provide a link to your claims R360?

R364, I’m not the poster you’re responding to, but the list is so vast we’d be here for days. We have all the demos that were handed to her, all the lawsuits, she even fell out with Stephen Bray for taking credit when she changed a single line to get royalties. Even image and every pose is also a rip off too. Nothing about her wasn’t taken from someone else. Even her “Ray of Light” album turned out to be a shame. The songs were done by other and handed to it. The album that was thought to be her most personal was again done by someone else.

What Stephen Bray song did she change a single lyric on?

I know she ripped off the Sky Fits Heaven song on Ray of Light...were the other songs ripoff too?

Chrissy Teigen is only 37 and has just as much shit as Madonna injected in her face:

I thought she had always had chipmunk cheeks.

Gurl - WTF happened.

[quote] What Stephen Bray song did she change a single lyric on?

Express Yourself. He said she came into the studio for only 15 mins.

[quote]I know she ripped off the Sky Fits Heaven song on Ray of Light...were the other songs ripoff too?

Ray of Light and Candy Perfume Girl were demoed by another female artist that William Orbit was working with. Her demos are online. Not one thing was changed. She received no credit. The same goes for other songs.

The song Swim was another.

She wasn't weird looking though. Like she is now.

R370, thanks.

I thought the thread said, "Madonna's Last Night."

And I believed it was.

IMHO: Madonna's recent plastic surgeries to her face and body, presenting herself wearing revealing clothing, calling up sexual innuendoes by the use of a whip, fish net stockings, pumped up breasts and rear made prominent in tight clothing is self-objectifying by treating herself as an object to be looked at and evaluated on the basis of appearance. Objectification theory (Fredrickson & Roberts, 1997) postulates that many women are sexually objectified and treated as an object to be valued for its use by others. This occurs when a woman’s body or body parts are singled out and separated from her as a person and she is viewed primarily as a physical object of male sexual desire.

In doing so she has subjugated her own personal real self to this end. It has been shown that self-objectification leads to women’s mental health risks via negative psychological outcomes. Self objectification can increase women’s anxiety about physical appearance.

By presenting herself as a sexual object she shows us she is depending on male approval for identity. Instead of standing strong on her ability as a singer or an entertainer she instead chose to project what is the sexual image of a woman found in heterosexual male oriented pornography. By doing so she has created a void within herself, a disconnect. One who 'conforms in body type and behavior and values to become an object of male sexual desire, which requires an abandonment of a wide-ranging capacity for choice'... (Andrea Dworkin).

By doing so she has undoubtedly clouded her own judgement of what IS her identity obvious by the fact she can't even face her own true age and must have a surgeon cut away her natural face and body to make herself fit this sexual role and in doing so has sacrificed her own true identity, will, and bodily integrity in order to redeem the approval of the male and validate her sense of her own worth, losing sight of her value as a human being.

That's more than fillers, we're talking fat implants.

R375, tl;dr

R375 = toxic femininity.

The shudder at the thought of the amount of scar tissue in her body now.

It seems like everyone on social media keeps defending her as if she was some leader for the civil rights movement. She's tiresome, untalented and needs to go away.

R378=knee jerk reactor

R381, give it a rest.

She looks like a goblin, also wtf happened to her neck? Looks like her head is growing out of her torso.

The disappearing neck thing is due to aging and degenerative arthritis of the spine. Madonna has had that ‘old lady’ habitus for a while now.

Does her pussy stink?

We're sisters of the deep, R385.

"So what are you going to do when you get older, Madonna? Time Warner waits for no woman. Are you going to be going on 50 and still get up onstage and shake your booty, like Cher? What happens when your body goes?”

“Then I’ll use my mind.”

[quote]“Then I’ll use my mind.”

What mind? Apparently, that's gone too.

I love that r375 quoted Andrea Dworkin to make a point about Madonna.

The only ones who are stupid enough to cheer Madonna on and embolden her descent into total self-destruction are ancient white gay males - and yes, I said it, WHITE old gay males. They live through this idiot. They even use her style of speaking as their own. They joined the Kabbalah nonsense thanks to her as well. You’ll hear them using “At the end of the day” and “irony” because she uses them incessantly in interviews. It’s creepy and pathetic as hell.

R390 You dont know any "elder gays" do you ? I know plenty,and none of them give one moments thought to Madonna,other than to comment on her ghastly appearance.

I feel sorry for the people who bought tix for the tour. It will be a shit show. Waitin two hours for the Goblin Queen of Pop to appear.

r390 I am of the age group of gay men who grew up with Madonna and were her biggest fans back in the day and trust me we're all just as horrified by what she's become as everybody else. It's very sad what she's done to herself.

This is direct attack on my divinity!!!

Could be worse. Could be Ham Smith

Is Sam Smith the reincarnation of Divine?

Fuck, no. Divine was, well... divine.

And Glenn Milstead knew he was a man who dressed up as a woman because it was his job. He wasn't crazy and he didn't demand that everybody honor his pronouns.

He was a drag queen, which conservative DLers like you think is a threat to kids

R126 what a non-story. Probably the least bitchy "bitchy" thing I've heard.

Thank you, R389 :)

[quote] You dont know any "elder gays" do you ? I know plenty,and none of them give one moments thought to Madonna,other than to comment on her ghastly appearance.

I know many who do and they’re the ones buying her tickets.

[quote] He was a drag queen

Divine would not be catering to children. Even John Waters finds drag queens wanting to read to children hilarious. Divine was not trans.

R402, John Waters isn't trying to ban drag queens. Divine wouldn't be, either.

You GOP freaks like to whine about "special snowflakes" but you seem to think kids are pretty fragile

Divine made it very well known he was an actor. Nothing more, nothing less.

And he was a damn good one, too.

Years ago I showed my mother Polyester and after it was over she thought Divine was a fantastic and funny actress.

Then I let her in on the fact she was really a he and my mother refused to believe it.

She’s entered Jocelyn (bride of Wildenstein) territory.

[quote] John Waters isn't trying to ban drag queens. Divine wouldn't be, either.

Which no one stated. This thread is about Madonna. Take your tranny-loving ass elsewhere, retard.

So you're saying Sam Smith is the reincarnation of Divine?

R406 is one of those ultra-sophisticated Republicans who use words like "tranny" and "retard" as an insults.

Go back to the Marjorie Taylor Greene rally, hon.

R207, I agree . She really has no capacity to feel Real emotions . An automaton . No real charisma or warmth

Call the loon squad!

^ She looks like if Little Edie from Grey Gardens became a stripper

Little Edie had way more class and charm even in her delusions than Madonna could ever hope to aspire to. Fie R411 ! Little Edie is a Goddess on DL .

Nonna's hitting the sauce again

Madonna has lost her mind. She needs an involuntary psych hold. And soon.

She probably sleeps in her bathtub.

She thinks she is so edgy now. "Oh, you don't like my ass?? Well, here I am shaking my fake, deformed ass for you! I am SO subversive!"

It’s actually so sad . This woman is having a world tour this summer ?!

That world tour is going to be a disaster.

She's missing Guy Ritchie's big cock, which Jason Statham now enjoys.

I love when Madonna pretends to be some kind of victim.

She is truly a perfect example of a living, breathing sociopath.

Look at the characteristics that define a sociopath.

SHE HAS THEM ALL.

Her poor children. Thank God Guy and Rocco got out.

[quote]I am of the age group of gay men who grew up with Madonna and were her biggest fans back in the day and trust me we're all just as horrified by what she's become as everybody else. It's very sad what she's done to herself.

My Madonna history...only time I sat outside in the middle of the night online for "The Virgin Tour" at Radio City Music Hall. Saw "The Blonde Ambition Tour", "The Girlie Show", The "Who's That Girl" stadium show when she brought it to Madison Square Garden for one night for an AIDS benefit. Saw her Broadway debut, "Speed The Plow" front row and was invited to her "Who's That Girl" movie premiere. I wouldn't go to this show if I was given free tickets, besides it'll probably be filmed anyway.

She really has LOST HER MIND. I genuinely think she needs an intervention. Is it drugs she’s on, or is she genuinely mentally ill? A woman with her legacy has nothing to prove, she should take her billions and go enjoy life with her kids. But she’s destroyed her face, her image, her legacy.

Maybe she can do a cover of "I've Written a Letter to Daddy" on the tour

[quote]That world tour is going to be a disaster.

If she keeps going like that, the world tour will just be the first leg of her face tour.

[quote] Maybe she can do a cover of "I've Written a Letter to Daddy" on the tour

If she could do it dressed as a dominatrix while fellating a dildo she probably would.

The pic below is Madonna in 2015. She still registers as her old self. Which means her face didn't change dramatically from the early noughties to 2015. And then something happened and she went overboard with the fillers and the plastic surgery. What happened in 2015? Well maybe many different things but one of the things we know for sure happened was that D̶r̶.̶ ̶F̶r̶a̶n̶f̶f̶ Dr. Fredric Brandt, her dermatologist since the late 90s died in April 2015 and even though he never was the one to apply self-restraint to his own face, he might have been one to insist that less is more for his patients. And he might have been the only one in her entourage to have the authority to tell her when to stop and when he died, it was game over, she would not take no for an answer from anyone else and would doctor shop to find one that is more pliable to her demands.

My point being that I'm pretty sure that Madonna's face wouldn't be the mess it is today if Fredric Brandt was still around. He was the last dermatologist she actually listened to.

Let’s be real, let’s be honest, does she really deep down think that is attractive?

She makes Norma Desmond, a made-up character, a parody of a vain and aging actress who is hungry for her close up, her comeback, look mentally more stable.

I think the reception she got the other night seriously shook her up, plus her stupid and desperate comment about how a long lens camera distorted her face will always haunt her. Now she makes these frantic vids, one after the other. She is going downhill fast.

She fancied herself as being savvy, sexy, smart and young—-forever—and now her ego is in tatters. The poor thing never understood that time stops for no one.

I don’t feel sorry for her at all.

[quote] besides it'll probably be filmed anyway.

And filtered and redubbed and badly edited like all her shows.

Madonna in her 30s was way more mature and interesting than Madonna at 65.

[quote] Let’s be real, let’s be honest, does she really deep down think that is attractive?

Going by the butchering to her body she’s doing, probably not but she is definitely drugged up and drunk most of the time, too much to even really think about it.

The woman is worth half a billion dollars and she’s a victim. Oh, my stars.

She just posted an outrageously awful video of herself whirling around her bathroom (why is she always in there? I guess the pill cabinet is there).

Sad.

She’s lonely, possibly ill and/or addicted.

R433.

Tonight, on the Night Gallery.....

That bathroom video is downright scary. She looks like some type of monster.

Rocco, Lourdes - keep mama away from the bath salts!

R430 speaks the truth.

It’s so sad how misogyny and ageism forced Madonna to butcher her face and behave like an infantile crackhead.

That video at R435 answers the age old question: What would Grace Coddington look like if she was a pathetic troll?

Video at R435 = Madonna's cameo in the next David Lynch film

In the video at r435, does anyone else wish she would just take her weird ass off to the side and let us peer at the multitude of stuff dumped about her bathroom?

I watched Body of Evidence last night. Honestly, while not good, Madonna's performance wasn't as big a stinker as many of her other films. I realized watching this and Basic Instinct recently, comparing Madonna to Sharon Stone or Michelle Pfeifer at the same age is fair. Madonna is pretty and her body was absolutely stunning in this film. It was when she was fit but before she starting to get that more masculine, buffed up shape towards Music. Sharon Stone was a knockout in comparison.

I watched the video of procedures had done. Madonna had her first face lift at 28 right before blond ambition. When the MD goes every surgery, Madonna actually aged relatively quickly with the mouth folds and eye hollowing etc in her 20's. This is surprising. for someone who led such a clean life, although I think she was a closeted smoker during some of this.

Madonna had a second face lift right around 40 and then a 3rd in late 40's. This is where you get that jigsaw line. if you don't lay the face down perfectly and full too tight, it will form that joker line that M has. She then had a another face lift around 60 with a brow lift and multiple syringes of filler. Estimated cost of surgery is approx $500-1M excluding upkeep, creams, facials, dermabrasions, etc,.

R442, someone here posted a different angle of Madonna's cluttered bathroom and I saw that I use the same body wash as her (fragrance-free Aveeno). It was truly a life-changing moment

Madonna has a serious alcohol problem. She's gaining weight from it.

She hangs with the younger set to partake of their drugs/find dealers. We know opiates are incredibly addicting. Any one of her surgeries could have gotten her hooked.

She needs help. Forget Britney's intervention and give one to Madonna. Her kids are probably very confused and concerned. It just seems like there is nobody to step in and stop her substance abouse disorder. I feel really bad for her children.

She can get better, but for celebrities, it's near impossible. See MJ and George Michael about it.

“But she’s destroyed her face, her image, her legacy.”

That’s her curse

R443, narcissists age quicker because of the rage they feel

[quote] Madonna had her first face lift at 28 right before blond ambition.

Madonna turned 32 in 1990, not 28. I also don't think she had a full facelift at that time. She probably had some work done, but not a full lift.

Regardless, she looks absolutely tragic now.

[quote]I saw that I use the same body wash as her (fragrance-free Aveeno). It was truly a life-changing moment

Everybody loves Aveeno!

R435 JFC, that video is DISTURBING. If she does another film, it should be a horror film with Madonna as the killer.

Is it booze, pills, or brain damage?

^ I’m afraid the only answer is…yes.

What dance is she doing in r435? At some point it looks like she is doing the Charleston. Is that it?

I don't think Madonna is as crazy or unstable as everyone makes her out to be. I think she got fat not from booze and pills, but because she is short, Italian, and it was always going to be an uphill battle. After her multiple injuries, she can spend up to 4 hours in the gym like she did in her 50's. Back then, it was said Madonna NEVER took a day off. Not during Christmas and I believe it was reported that even when one of her adoptees (Mercy?) came home from Africa, she was in the gym when she arrived.

I'm sure she is crazy in her own way, but not in the Michael Jackson type way. We'll see how the tour goes. If anything, I think she is more likely to suffer Joan Rivers fate of going in for something routine and the body just saying no more.

I think the answer is simple. There is no there, there. Madonna started her career as a self admitted hustler. A self admitted average singer and dancer. She used people and cultural appropriated music styles( voguing, gay dance music, Hindu to name a few) to exploit them for her own gain both financially and creatively. She built a massive following and hoodwinked all of us including myself. But what you are seeing now is the Empress has no clothes. She is constantly telling us how wonderful she is. If someone felt good about themselves or was accepting about aging they wouldn't look like a blowfish. She is absolutely terrified of getting older and becoming irrevelent. And unfortunately she has become both. But we all do. Styles change. People get older and especially in music you move on to young exciting creatives. If she was smart she would become a mentor, not competing with 25 year olds. She had her moment more than most. Just relax and enjoy your billions. Stop writhing on the ground and eating out of a dog bowl for fucks sake and smile and enjoy life.

r443, you forget that she got down to very little body fat, which prematurely ages the skin, probably got the buccal fat removal around the Sticky and Sweet years, and a very off center chin implant (and probably shaved the jawline) to get that reverse teardrop/alien face shape in the past 5 years. Also using the weird Korean face filters on her IG doesn't help.

The Sticky/Sweet years were when she went for the high cheek bone implants and the whole Jigsaw look. Even back then, back when she would be seen in broad daylight, she looked horrifying leaving the Kabbalah Center. That was my first "yikes" moment.

R454 brings up a good point. I remember watching an interview with her doing a tour she was on in the late 00’s, and she had to take an ice bath (with actual ice) after performances…to deal with pain and swelling. Like anyone else who abused their body while younger, she’s probably in excruciating pain these days. I wouldn’t be surprised if her swelling and behavior is the result of a painkiller addiction.

Bitch certainly has a type

Exactly r455. Some artists like Bruce Springsteen, Billy Joel and Stevie Nicks (among others) accept the fact that they're legacy artists and just keep doing their jobs. They enjoy their lives and their work and is shows, they still have fun going out on stage and they know they're never going to be Top 40 (or whatever the equivalent today is) artists anymore and they don't care, they're still in it because they love what they do.

Madonna cannot accept the fact that times and styles have changed and she's way too old to still be at the center of pop culture (which is and always has been a young person's game) and it's killing her. She's desperately trying to appeal to a young audience but the young generation has no use for her. They have artists from their own generation who they follow, they have no interest in someone who's old enough to be their granny. But Madonna keeps trying and keeps embarrassing herself, it's beyond sad for those of us who are old enough to remember Madonna in her glory years and to see how far she's fallen.

She can star in a remake of "Communion"

OMG at Chrissy Teigan at r367.

I've never seen a photo of her looking attractive but that shot is disgusting. Did Legend really propel her into a modelling career? Because she has a VERY weird face, especially the forehead, and I just can't imagine anyone looking at her and thinking she's beautiful enough to be on a magazine cover or even in the magazine. Thirsty bitch has all her covers on display in their home. Well, one of their homes.

She's kind of nuts as well: Carrying around the ashes of her stillborn baby, calling the ashes Jack and claiming her two older children wanted to give "him" water to drink.

Does all the silicon go to their brains or something?

Back to Madonna: I loved how her brother revealed she was constantly asking her entourage who the most beautiful/sexy person was, who they'd want to fuck more than anyone. And the sycophants would tell her she was that person. Do you think she still plays that game? I can't begin to imagine the kind of person who would indulge her vanity and ego THAT MUCH right now.

I just hope the nannies for her kids are giving them everything they need.

Madonna is the voice of a generation!!! She is also the face of the generation of Japanese who were burned by the nuclear bomb…….

R175, I was there at the United Center in Chicago when she not only made us wait HOURS for her to appear, but had the AC turned off to protect her “voice”.

23,500 people getting angrier — and drunker— by the minute. In a sweat shop. The air was thick and stifling with our resentment and her raging, entitled, sadistic disregard for her fan base. It’s actually cruel — and I had no problem envisioning her in her AC dressing/green room laughing at 23,500 morons who tolerate her legendary terribleness as a person. And THAT reminds me of Trump, laughing at how people just swallow every bit of BS he sells them.

There isn’t a THING that Madonna does that isn’t all about Madonna. She’s a terrible, terrible person and it increasingly is difficult to deny. Look at her victimization this week. She mucks up her face and body — and when we react with shock, she blames us.

Kabbalah really fucked her up. Is she still involved with the cult ?

You sound so personally hurt by Madonna R464. Did you cry?

Madonna stan=r466

One of the last remaining in the wild, R467

[quote] She used people and cultural appropriated music styles( voguing, gay dance music, Hindu to name a few) to exploit them for her own gain both financially and creatively

Spare me. She made pop music. Being influenced by various cultures and incorporating it into an artist’s work was not the crime it is today.

The controversy around Vogue is debatable imo. The complaint was she did not give credit to the dancers who introduced her to the underground dance movement. They sent her video of people vogueing from what I recall, but unless it was copyrighted, no one was owed anything. Would it have been nice if she gave a shout out in some way? I guess? Would anyone listening to the song or watching the video back then have really cared about the source anyway? I doubt it. I mean, I read about the dancers when they made their complaints public and it didn’t really affect my feelings one way or the other. I was only so-so on the song anyway.

[quote] I remember watching an interview with her doing a tour she was on in the late 00’s, and she had to take an ice bath

That was 2019.

[quote] Kabbalah really fucked her up. Is she still involved with the cult ?

Yep. Under constant IRS investigation. Her Malawi charity is a front run by the Kabbalah Center. She just got a gigantic Kabbalah tattoo on her arm.

☝🏼 it’s a scarier cult than Scientology. Her soul is gone

Fixed.

R370, someone on DL has been telling that story about Express Yourself for years, maybe it's you, and has never provided a link. I'm calling BS on it.

Madonna wrote the second verse for ROL. The demo, from what I remember, repeated the first. Madonna deserves a writing credit for that. She didn't change anything on Candy Perfume Girl. She doesn't deserve a writing credit for the song but has it anyway. The other writers were credited. I don't know why you think they weren't. For Sky Fits Heaven, she used a line or two, literally, from some commercial. The rest of the lyrics were original.

I know Madonna haters want everything to be black and white and think she doesn't write anything herself, but that's just not the case. However, I realize she hasn't helped her credibility at all by doing what she did with Candy Perfume Girl and Don't tell Me where she did the same thing. I don't know why people think she hasn't co-written many of her songs when the lyrics are so sophomoric and sometimes laughable. She could have afforded to buy herself songs with better lyrics if that's all she did. It just doesn't make sense.

[quote]I don't know why people think she hasn't co-written many of her songs when the lyrics are so sophomoric and sometimes laughable.

Yeah, I think she does contribute words. It surely varies, and I don't doubt that she's changed a line here and there sometimes to get a credit, but when I hear lyrics like "My father had to go to work / I used to think he was a jerk," I'm sure they originated with no one else.

I also read a piece once from a non-fan cataloging how many times the same rhymes and images recur, like "learn/burn" (Spanish Eyes, The Power of Goodbye, and another one that isn't coming to mind) and references to the door, usually rhymed with "more" or "anymore" or "before" ('Til Death Do Us Part, True Blue, Burning Up, Stay, Think of Me, etc.).

She’s always been a crass and nasty piece of work. And I always suspected her embrace of the gays was more performative and self-laudatory than genuine.

Regardless of her motivation, she was foundational in gay acceptance and we should all appreciate her for that.

I’m baffled by her body dysmorphia, though. She looked very good and natural until pretty recently. Wonder if it’s a result of her pathological control issues—ignoring the advice of the best plastic surgeons as Michael Jackson did.

Instead of criticizing the media for pointing out the obvious, she should be either defending her choices for excessive cosmetic surgery or is during a cautionary tale about aging fears.

“Poor is the man whose pleasures depend upon the permission of another.” That line was so fucking hokey there was no doubt Madonna wrote it in “Justify My Love.” Fairly or not, true or not, I have always believed that the reason that particular song worked and was such a hit was because Lenny probably wrote the bulk of it.

A woman gets horrific cosmetic surgery, then blames the deserved cringed response on misogyny & sexism, the two entities this has woman has been spitting in the faces of her entire career. That's rich, and also a prime example of the convenience of victimhood.

That little "dance" she does at r410 is beyond scary. She just goes through the motions but her eyes are dead and dazed. She looks like she's only just conscious. The Madonna of the 80s and 90s would mock what she's become now.

All the demos for albums like Hard Candy leaked. She changed next to nothing. She gets the first writing credit in Revolver. She did next to no work on that either. She changes a word or a line to get royalties.

Even songs like Sanctuary were written by others. Nellee Hooper was the one who told her to go fuck herself over writing credits. She didn’t work with him on Ray of Light because of it. He told her that he was going to have to totally redo everything. He wouldn’t buy into her desire for more vanity credits. He was doing all the work. And look, that’s fine, but the way she wants to present herself as some serious artist is the problem. She is a pop singer, not an artiste. She needs to get over herself. She’s a pretentious cow.

"Everybody" was originally submitted to the copyright office as "Everybody, Dance" written by both Madonna and Stephen Bray. Later Madonna alone would get authorship for this song on her self-titled debut album as Bray explained; " There was an agreement between Madonna and I not to consider "Everybody" as a co-write, but I guess the Library Of Congress never got word of the change in ownership.

I can remember watching Truth or Dare as a teen and being incredulous - and then sniggering- at all her little speeches about her "art" and how she was an "artist". She's just gotten worse and worse.

I believe she does some writing. But it was disappointing to learn that during the 20th anniversary of Ray of Light Madonna wrote so little. Susannah Melvoin didn't get credit for co-writing Swim. She was only credited for Candy Perfume Girl. It was disappointing to learn that part. The lyrics for Swim are great.

R481, Nellee wanted writing credit on songs that were already written so Madonna decided to go elsewhere. Here's a link to a letter from Madonna to Patrick Leonard about ROL. Here's a quote from it about Nellee.

[quote]Then I started leaning towards Nellie doing the whole thing because he's not a a songwriter and I thought he would treat all songs fairly without favoritism and ego involved. I sent all my demos to Nellie to listen to and while he gave it up to a few he made some disturbing remarks about how he was going to have to change the music so much he would want a writers credit.

The ROL demos are floating around online. The songs she wrote with Pat and Rick Nowels didn't change musically and only had very minor, if any lyrical, changes. There wouldn't have been any reason for Nellee to get writing credit on them. They just needed to be fully produced.

Susannah wrote her to William's instrumental track of Swim and what she came up with was completely different than what's on the album, not even a little different, but completely different. Different lyrics and different melodies.

And Sanctuary had a line or two from a poem that Madonna used. The rest had original lyrics by her. So, no, the song wasn't already written by other people.

That's a really interesting link. Thanks R485.

Adding my thanks to R485. I love reading actual music stuff by musicians/artists…find it fascinating. Also interesting because her brother said how she made others do the ‘letting people down’ thing, but here she takes complete ownership.

Wish there was more out there of her talking about creating music.

R482 - I seem to recall reading that Madonna and Stephen agreed to solo credit for her on “Everybody” and solo credit for him on “Ain’t No Big Deal”, despite the fact they co-wrote both together.

Thinking maybe she should change her name to ‘Madunna’.

(Not meant to be cruel…Just trying to be funny)

Keep trying...

Can someone please explain the braids and the orange hair? Not at all chic.

Do you think she's pulling a Vincent (Chin) Gigante? He was the boss of the Genovese crime family who faked mental illness by muttering to himself in pajamas to avoid jailtime. Should we be concerned about fraud or other violations of the law that would cause her to use false impairment as a defense for her actions. Others have mentioned Kaballah and the Malawi charity.

I think she may be being blackmailed.

I wonder if Madonna has stepped away from Kabbalah. She seemed actually at her best when she was deeply invested. Ray of Light - Confession ( her children';s book} all seemed heavily Kabbalah based and those were some of her better, later albums. Or but could have been Guy Ritchies big, thick cut (he got for Kabbalah) cock.. Madonna and Kaballah haven't really been associated publicly post MDNA.

Looks like she went to Lil' Kim's surgeon for sure.

R461 Roswells! 😜

[quote]Or but could have been Guy Ritchies big, thick

Hmm. I'm curious, what gives you this idea? Or do we have picture verification somewhere that I'm not aware of?

Madonna is a notorious size queen and loves hung alpha studs. Christopher Ciccone all but said Madonna was completely dickmotized resulting in her latent homophobia against her brother.

[quote] And Sanctuary had a line or two from a poem that Madonna used. The rest had original lyrics by her. So, no, the song wasn't already written by other people.

Wrong “Sanctuary” was written by Anne Preven of the group Ednaswap. She already had recorded it. It was her song. Dallas Austin recommended it for Madonna. The poem was from Walt Whitman’s “Leaves in the Grass.” Madonna just moved bits around. The lyrics and song were already written. Anne was not happy with what they did.

Madonna’s scam is she works on songs with one person and then brings them to another.

Guy Ritchie doesn’t have a big dick.

[quote] I wonder if Madonna has stepped away from Kabbalah.

She hasn’t. She just got Kabbalah tattoos and the Kabbalah Center runs her Malawi “charity”.

[quote]She seemed actually at her best when she was deeply invested. Ray of Light -

Madonna was into other things things. One being Hinduism.

[quote]Confession ( her children';s book} all seemed heavily Kabbalah based and those were some of her better, later albums.

Put down the pipe. Kabbalah wrecked her brain. It’s a cult. She wouldn’t even cut her sons hair until he was 3 thanks to them. They prey on cancer victims, will tell you whatever you want for money, are anti-gay, they sell tainted water, they say that you can protect yourself with red string. If your child is murdered, it was their fault - they turned away from the light. They blame the Jews for the Holocaust. Madonna demanded that Zohar’s be nailed to either side of her stage or she wouldn’t perform. Her life and marriage and career were ruined thanks to the Kabbalah Center.

Patrick Leonard remains her best collaborator.

She has way too much time on her hands.

An artist on instagram who has a moderate number of followers once took a photo of her taken around Halloween (she was dressed as Harley Quinn even though the outfit she was wearing was a popular Halloween costume two years before that showing how behind she has become with trends), removed the filters on the photo and then aged the photo to make her look like a normal then 63 year old without cosmetic surgery complete with wrinkles.

Madonna being the humorless cunt (and perpetual victim) she is did not take this well at all. She then sent him a DM consisting of a single middle finger emoji. True story.

R494 I remember that night. I was 'there'.

R497, you're right about Sanctuary. I was confusing that song with Love Tried to Welcome Me. There's a line in it about someone's heart being a lonely hunter. There's a book with a similar title which I confused with being a poem. I don't care for the album. It's pretty boring.

Anyway, I've found that (insert celebrity name here) Derangement Syndrome is a real thing and probably the sign of a mental disorder. Happy trails!

That bush.

She has back hair.

those cheek implants

I think people were shocked by the Grammy photo because all they had seen of Madonna were filtered pics. The real Madonna finally came out.

[quote]Madonna's genetic progression is to grow into a cute chubby Italian Grandma and she is fighting it tooth and nail.

One of the better scenes in And Just Like That... (a show that had oh so many "worse" scenes) was the one in which Carrie Bradshaw is tricked by a friend into a consultation with a cosmetic surgeon, played by Jonathan Groff. He tells her that most women as they age are either "saggers" or "hollowers," and she's a "hollower." He shows her a computer simulation of how he can make her look younger and fuller-faced with all the stuff. (She ultimately doesn't do it.)

I think Madonna is in that category too. I know what her naturally aging sisters look like, but those chubby Italian grandmas often came with spidery, gaunt Italian great aunts, with large eyes in deep sockets, who looked as though they would blow over in a stiff wind.

R490

I won't give up my day job.

Can you imagine being hired to take photos like these?

Ugh.

lol.

lol.

Barf.

Does she own any underwear or clothing for her ugly ass?

They must have a laugh when she goes in for a colonoscopy.

That fake ass.

Grandma porn.

That rug needs a good cleaning. Look how brighter it is under the bed.

Thats some cheap ass Home Goods rug R519. Why clean it> just chunk it out and go spend another $200. I bet she never shows the rest of her house cause its full of ugly shit. And some great art,I'll give her that.

What's with the earlobe?

she looked sort of chimp-like at the Grammys. Remember that show Monkey Magic? She looked like something from that.

Monkey Magic, R522! God that brings back memories!

"The nature of Madonna is... irrepressible!"

That show really is one that would NEVER get made today. But even I cracked up when I saw an episode awhile back where Monkey shouted at the demon: "You coward! You POOFTER!" Hahaha!

Havev Rocco and Lourdes made an appointment with a lawyer to discuss a conservatorship?

Remember those pics linked above are the airbrushed versions. I’m just not understanding why she wants her ass to look that way at all. But then again, I do think she’ll take negative attention any way she can get it.

She has always been about negative attention actually. She was just able to spin it as being provocative. And since she was young and normal looking, we the public believed that she was trying to express something with all of that. And it came across as mostly coming from an empowered place.

Now that she’s in her 60’s, it’s obvious she has nothing to say with her provocation other than, pay attention to me! And these days it looks pathetic rather than empowered.

Vadge now looks worse than Pete Burns before he died. How much longer does Vadge have? Christina Metz needs to eat her as an hors d'oeuvre. Errrr whore d'oeuvre.

[quote]She has always been about negative attention actually. She was just able to spin it as being provocative.

That's an interesting take. In "Oh Father," she sang, "You can't hurt me now / I got away from you, I never thought I would." Her act could be read as making the whole world into Daddy to piss off. Now that she's entering her senior-citizen years, where is there to go but making the world her children? Alternating between doing things they find embarrassing and complaining that they don't pay enough attention to her. ("You like those other bitches' music instead of mine" being the pop-star equivalent of "You never CALL, you never come OVER...")

[quote]What's with the earlobe?

It’s probably a prosthetic. Her real ears are on the back of her head after all the facelifts.

Nicole Kidman has weird long stretched out ears, so I think it has to do with facelifts or tragus lift surgery- somebody had posted a photo ad that was in a store window, and it was so odd looking. This was the best I could find- check out how long her ear is from top to bottom, and how fat the lobe is:

[quote] just chunk it out and go spend another $200. I

Chunk?

[quote]What's with the earlobe?

Guys on a podcast also on YouTube were laughing that she now has grandma earlobe.

Madonna’s facelift scars can be seen in photos. Google Image them.

The scars are on her ear.

*ears

R525, she needs to be a victim and have something to “rebel against”.

Has any other pop star of her stature crumbled like this so spectacularly? MJ was creepy so his was a bit different. Prince toured up until the end giving great shows so we didn't know what was going on behind the scenes. George Michael was a mess but he still tried to maintain privacy except for a few incidents. And unlike Madonna, he wasn't thirsty for attention by posting creepy social media posts that made him look terrible.

R525 I could never express it or even bring it out to my conscious mind but you nailed it.

Madonna's public hair is either bleached or shaved/waxed. Her pussy has at least one piercing and may or may not have a tattoo.

[quote]Madonna Last Night

Well, you don't honestly believe she can go out in the daytime, do you?

R538 and it really is 'public' hair at this stage

I hate that thong photo where her torso is under the bed with only her ass exposed. They forgot to remove the tag at her ass crack and it looks like a dingleberry to me, which is gross.

R541 It's also a poor and blatant ripoff of a photoshoot Goldfrapp did over twenty years ago for their debut album, Felt Mountain.

What doctor in good conscience could allow a procedure like that to be done? And how could she even think it looks good?

I guess money and distorted reality.

She's like a David Lynch character who walked off-screen.

Correction: The photoshoot is called Country Girls by Anna Fox. It was taken several years before Felt Mountain was released. Alison Goldfrapp is in only several of them but some of those photos were reused for the Felt Mountain Era.

Nonetheless it is very evident that this is where Madge took her "inspiration" from.

Facelift scar.

Facelift scar.

Her brother says she’s had multiple facelifts.

She's so far behind the trends, it's pathetic. She had that big ass installed, meanwhile Kim and Khloe have both downsized their asses recently.

And the "grills" are so pathetically passe. And always stupid.

And every time I see a photo with her wearing that stupid eyepatch, I want to move her to hospice care.

Wow, I thought surgeons had perfected hiding facelift scars? Is this proof of a super shitty surgeon or the result of too many facelifts?

And those look like older pics, so imagine the amount of work she's had since. She really is like a walking Frankenstein. As others have said on other threads, she will likely die on the plastic surgeon's table.

[quote]Is this proof of a super shitty surgeon or the result of too many facelifts?

My guess is that the better surgeons turned down her requests for repeat facelifts, so she was forced to resort to shittier ones.

In Truth or Dare, there is a moment at the end where Madonna is defending herself from accusations that she has had surgery and says: "My titties are bona fide, the real thing!" and someone responds: "Who said anything about titties?" Someone else says: "Everything's real on you" and Madonna makes a kind of "Oooh" noise, like she's saying: "well not everything", and Slam is behind her pointing at his nose. I couldn't work out if this was just joking around or if she had had a nose job around the late 80s. Her nose does look a bit different if you go to, say, her interview with David Letterman with Sandra, and then to the early 90s, but I dunno. I'm not great at seeing this kind of thing.

I thought she first started to look a bit different after the Sex book, as she was promoting Erotica, but that could possibly just be due to makeup and her tweezing her eyebrows to within an inch of their life.

R541

Looks like a rip-off from an earlier photoshoot if you ask me.

Yikes.

Her pharmacy needs to investigate.

DOesnt she know that every person under 40 in that room is laughing at her behind their hands ?

Kabbalah is more destructive and evil than Scientology

She’s had several nose jobs actually. At least two.

Then she deserves a refund.

She’s so cheap she probably went south of the border for this shit. That ass surgery she got is the most dangerous plastic surgery procedure a person can get. The death rate is through the roof. It doesn’t seem that she cares about her health.

It makes me question how many procedures she has had throughout her life and how long has she had body dysmorphia. She was good at keeping it hidden for years until she got those awful cheek implants around Hard Candy. That is when she really started her decline. It reeked of insecurity and desperation, and that's when her music started to change (and decline). The cheek implants, divorcing Guy Ritchie, chasing music trends, shading Gaga -- 2008 and forward has been a rough ride for her.

Her butt implants look like bricks. Like two preformed objects, not something that was injected. Not something I think a US doctor would risk doing, especially at her age but I don't know. Presumably, getting them taken out is also fraught with dangers.

Her face at the Grammys was terrifying.

Maybe she’ll die of sepsis before rehearsals start for this shitshow of a tour.

Implants in the butt are safer than injections. Or should I say less dangerous.

I hate this thread. Every time I’m scrolling down threads her face scrolls slowly by and scares the shit out of me every single time. It’s the stuff of nightmares.

R567, you can adjust your settings to avoid seeing linked images.

What is with the looped braids? is she trying to do some kind of Hitler teenage youth?

There was a period after that in r457 where she looked better and we thought she'd backed off on the unhealthy behaviors and crazy facial surgeries. People were really alarmed by how she looked in 2008.

She looked like she was actually going to let herself age in 2012.

Then this shit started happening a few years ago, and I guess we should have realized what was coming

R572 Christ, she looks like such a clown, aside from the hideous plastic surgery. Does this woman own a mirror? Probably wouldn’t make any difference in her warped mind anyway.

She was pretty in 2010.

She looks so pretty @ R571 😔

She looked really good 10 years ago, she should've stopped with all the plastic surgery right then and there.

Madonna Every Night = 🤡

She does look good there, R576. Maybe slightly 'refreshed' but still recognizable.

Yeah, she did look good when she won the Golden Globe for "Masterpiece". That whole period around W.E. she looked good. Maybe it was the combo of the Super Bowl and directing that film where she looked confident and happy again. But she declined again.

Remember when she had almost zero body fat, big pumped up muscles? She’s had body dysmorphia forever.

She was proud of her ass the way it looked before, it was one of her better features.

R566. The risk involved in butt augmentation is shockingly high. There is approximately 1 death per 3000-5000 Brazilian Butt Lifts because of embolisms. It may be higher due the number of illicit operations.

Implants are newer but they may turn out to be just as bad. Much harder to correct than breast implants if something goes wrong. Up till now there have not been too many problems but what happens as they age? You know the way an old chair looks after it's been sat on 10,000 times?

R576 she looks fantastic there. She definitely must have BDD. She has destroyed her body and face. It’s so sad.

Big Dick Disease?

Yeah her ass does look terrible. Horrifying. It's very sad what she's become.

She does look really good there 10 years ago R576 but it's all gone straight to hell in a handbasket.

Pete Burns and Jocelyn and Joan are waiting in hell to welcome her home.

I briefly dated a guy who told me that feeling up ass implants is horrific- you can feel the edges of them. I guess they have to be firmer than breast implants for all the pressure put upon them sitting.

She was actually a pretty woman at once. I was looking at her pics of her at the Vanity Fair Oscars’ party in 2007 and she was so beautiful. I asked my dermatologist in Manhattan what wrong with her and he basically said she has an obsession without having a physical wrinkle/line. The only way to prevent that is to use an obscene amount of fillers or jump back into a Time Machine. Very sad

She didn’t look that good, r587. Get some glasses.

[quote]What is with the looped braids? is she trying to do some kind of Hitler teenage youth?

She thinks she's Heidi.

She’s a teletubby!

More like a teleflubby.

She looks like a bloated Drew Barrymore.

r592- that is redundant.

She doesn’t deserve to grow old since she’s such a monstrous ageist.

Her brother wrote in his book that someone once got ahold of her number, prank called her and told her her father had died.

How shitty do you have to treat other people in order for someone to do that to you? Because it clearly wasn't some random teenage boys who got ahold of her number by chance that made that call.

I'm young! I'm young!

R596 Christ she's pathetic. New thread?

If that Tic Toc video is any indication of the tour... Lord!! A hot mess. You'll get two hours of Madonna shaking her fake ass.

I wonder if she ever considers what a partner may want from her: "Oh, someone in their 60s with a plasticised face and silicon-filled body who spends all their time in the toilet making videos for social media as they claim to be the subject of ageist, misogynistic abuse from the press and public! Everyone wants to be with ssomeone like that!"

Everytime I see pictures of those twins they both look as dead behind the eyes as she does.

One twin looks fearful with watery eyes as if being held hostage and the other twin looks like she worked a busy 12 hour shift at the DMV and is ready to cut a bitch.

I know she has several (grossly underpaid) nannies but does she actually spend time with those girls (not counting those super fake family photos) when she's not spending 15 hours a day on social media twerking and applying several layers of filters to her bloated face?