OMG BEAR-king! "Alec Baldwin Formally Charged With Involuntary Manslaughter in ‘Rust’ Death"

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I’m shocked! SHOCKED!

I personally would like to know what people who know about this sort of thing, think is going to happen.

What is this, groundhog day? I thought he was already charged?

Maybe this incident will compel him to start making babies and revel his true love

COCK 🍆

[quote]I thought he was already charged?

No

To STOP making babies not start

He looked amazingly resilient for so long - now it looks like it's getting to him.

¡Ay, caramba!

Things a guy has to resort to for a quiet night away from all of the screaming brats.

I never read any of the threads about this so I have no idea on what DL concluded. All I see here are jokes. Poor guy. He's being hung out to dry.

Charging Baldwin is such a stupid waste of time. Obviously this was an accident. Some DA wants a few headlines.

[quote] Some DA wants a few headlines.

The price of fame, R13.

OMG this + 7 infant children + a nutso wife.

The DA announced the charges Jan 19. Now they have actually filed them.

They'll never get a conviction against Baldwin. It's all for the PR value.

They may get a conviction against the armorer for involuntary manslaughter but that's a big maybe. These charges are really shaky.

Don’t be ridiculous, R17.

The gun laws AND the industry standards regarding gun use forbid pointing a gun in anyone’s direction….ever. Doesn’t matter if you think the gun is empty or loaded with blanks, you still don’t point it in someone’s direction and pull the trigger.

He did both of these things and if he hadn’t that woman would still be alive. He hasn’t been charged with murder, but reckless homicide which acknowledges that this was not intentional in any way but his careless disregard for the rules and laws resulted in death.

So, yes, if it goes to trial he’ll be found guilty.

He’ll probably plead.

No, R18, you're just wrong.

Baldwin will never be convicted of anything in this case because he is not at fault in any way and he has broken no laws. It's just weirdo white-wingers who insist that this terrible accident was something worthy of criminal charges. You're such sick fucks.

R15- + a hunger for COCK

He's said weird things like he didn't actually pull the trigger.

Even if it was an accident why did he even point it at her - was he playing around?

If he had just told the truth and shown a thimble full of empathy for the victim he'd have way more support. Despicable man. Truly.

He was rehearsing a film scene.

He was getting ready to shoot the scene and he was holding the scene props, as was required.

You have to bend this all out of shape to come up with some kind of wrong-doing on Baldwin's part. You have to WANT to accuse him of doing something wrong, probably to "punish" him for different political opinions than yours.

I see - so this is turning into a left and right thing. OMG.

& thank you for the clarifications, I'm getting it now.

R19 You cannot possibly say that “he’s not at fault in any way”. This is factually untrue.

I’ll let this lawyer explain it to you, because I can’t be bothered.

No, no, he’s right.

Celebrities should be able to recklessly shoot and kill someone. That’s a perk of fame. As long as they, you know, say it was an accident, all’s good.

IIRC, the maximum jail / prison time for the charges is 2 years, which is close to misdemeanor territory.

Baldwin can afford good attorneys.

My prediction: He will plead "no contest" (vs. "guilty," which would be admissible in a civil case), he'll serve no jail time, and will do a couple years of probation.

[quote]So, yes, if it goes to trial he’ll be found guilty.

I thought the whole of of him now being charged is that it WILL go to trial.

The lawyer @ R26's link said there's going to be a jury.

I don't care if he's left or right, I feel hugely sorry for him.

Burn his murdering ass

If I'm an actor, given a prop on set, and decided to play with the prop to get some familiarity for the feel of it so as to use it in whatever scene it's used in, and I am instead handed a real, loaded weapon which I accidentally kill someone with, isn't the person who gave me the actual weapon instead of a prop responsible? Also what are the gun laws in the state prosecuting this?

Seriously- not trolling, I don't like or own firearms (in spite of having a family of NRA loving gun nuts).

[quote]and decided to play with the prop to get some familiarity for the feel of it so as to use it in whatever scene it's used in, and I am instead handed a real, loaded weapon which I accidentally kill someone with, isn't the person who gave me the actual weapon instead of a prop responsible?

You don’t play with a gun. Ever. For any reason.

Per the union’s rules, and safety on the set, the actor is supposed to check to be sure the gun is not loaded when it’s handed to him. He didn’t do that either.

Put this in the opposite shoes:

You’re given a gun by a friend of yours who tells you it’s unloaded. You don’t bother to check. Now you’re walking around and see a coworker and decide to tease him by scaring him with a gun. You pull the trigger and *BANG* that person is now dead.

Do you seriously think the person who gave you the gun and told you it was unloaded should be charged, yet you go scot-free? No consequences for you at all?

I bet your family of NRA loving gun nuts would know better than to play with a gun they hadn't checked. NRA emphasizes gun safety.

R26, I can indeed say that Baldwin was not at fault in any way and I continue to stand by that statement.

I'm sure you can find some MAGAT, white-wing, ambulance chasing lawyer to make up all kinds of shit. The fact remains, it was a prop gun, Baldwin was rehearsing a scene just as he was supposed to in order to do his job, he was not at fault in any way - he didn't load the prop and he wasn't in charge of preparation or storage of the props. Not at fault in any way. There was a tragic accident. End of.

You want him to be guilty of something - anything! - because you disagree with his politics (and probably because he's more handsome, wealthy and talented than you). He's not guilty and he will not be convicted of anything. This is a PR stunt, it will blow over and rightly so.

[quote]You want him to be guilty of something - anything! - because you disagree with his politics

Does this guy know Baldwin is a Trump-hating liberal like us?

[quote]End of.

Oh, never mind. I see his level of ignorance by statements like this.

[quote] I can indeed say that Baldwin was not at fault in any way

Over the weekend, D̶o̶n̶a̶l̶d̶ ̶T̶r̶u̶m̶p̶, 𝐴𝑙𝑒𝑐 𝐵𝑎𝑙𝑑𝑤𝑖𝑛 as he is wont to do, made some news. While extolling the loyalty of his supporters, he mused, “I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose v̶o̶t̶e̶r̶s̶ ̶ 𝑣𝑖𝑒𝑤𝑒𝑟𝑠.”

R35 It wasn’t a “prop gun”….it was an actual gun and he knew it. And…please read this slowly…there are industry standard rules that apply and he broke them. If he hadn’t broken them, Halyna would not have died. This means that he was not adhering to the safety rules that are specifically designed to prevent events like this.

Specifically, the RULE is that you never point a gun at an individual. Never. He did…and he pulled the trigger.

This doesn’t mean he doesn’t have a potential defence, but there’s most certainly a case to answer. Very foolish of you to suggest otherwise.

Your hypothetical scenario is irrelevant….Alec Baldwin was an actor on a set using guns. In this situation there are rules that everyone has to follow, including the actor holding the guns. They are required to make their own safety checks and to never point a firearm at another person. They can only point at a camera if the crew are off set and monitors are being used. It’s all very clear and very specific.

R29 He’s been charged. He can plead guilty and avoid a trial - as the producer has already done. It’ll only go to trial if he pleads not guilty.

The two guys arguing over this is actually a chance to really understand what's going on, for me at least, who didn't follow the story from the start. So, I thank them.

There’s more than two, r39.

R33, thanks for answering my question. I thought that it was a prop. I never thought that the walking liabilities were know as actors were given anything but a fake (plastic), plugged, or deactivated weaponry.

This should set a precedent (what is the point in having an operable weapon in this kind of situation?).

Jimmy Cagney ducks from live machine gun bullets in Public Enemy

It’s certainly hard to understand why, with modern CGI technology & special effects, there’s any need to let a real weapon anywhere near a film set.

As R41 says, maybe this will be a turning point.

Have you been asleep the last few days, OP?

It was a vintage gun being used for realism, r41. Fake guns look fake, especially on modern high-def screens.

R33 is lying to you: the actor NEVER CHECKS THE GUN. NEVER. This has been stated a million times in a million articles and the Baldwin-hating rightwingers keep saying otherwise, because they have turned this into a political culture wars situation.

When real guns are used, union rules say there must be a gun expert or armorer employed in the props department. The armorer makes sure the gun is cold, i.e. has no real ammunition in it. It then goes to the assistant director who does a second check; they're a second set of eyes. They then announce to the set that the gun is "cold." Then it goes to the actor or the stunt actor using the gun for the shot.

Actors are not trained to check guns. The armorer, prop master and AD are, that's why they check them.

In this case, the AD has already been charged and plead out and received probation. The armorer has also been charged, along with Baldwin.

'Reckless' Alec Baldwin MISSED one firearms training class,

was distracted and talking on phone in second session

and didn't carry out two safety checks before pulling trigger that killed Rust cinematographer, court docs claim

Mary Carmack-Altwies, the Santa Fe district attorney, reported that the Oscar-nominated actor and producer of the film was not present for firearms training prior to the start of filming - and when an hour-long training session was scheduled, he appeared uninterested and was on his cell phone.

Her team found 'reckless deviation from known standards and practice and protocol', noting that Hutchins was killed during an unscheduled rehearsal, during which the standard two safety checks were not carried out, and for which a plastic gun should have been used.

'Today we have taken another important step in securing justice for Halyna Hutchins,' said Carmack-Altwies in a statement. 'In New Mexico, no one is above the law and justice will be served.'

Baldwin was absent from an initial firearms training session.

Gutierrez-Reed set up an hour-long subsequent session for Baldwin, but they only completed 30 minutes.

'According to Reed, Baldwin was distracted and talking on his cell phone to his family during the training,' the prosecutors stated.

The affidavit claims Baldwin gave 'inconsistent accounts' about how the shooting happened - first telling police he 'fired' the gun, then insisting he did not pull the trigger.

Prosecutors state that 'photos and videos clearly show Baldwin, multiple times, with his finger inside the trigger guard and on the trigger.'

They add: 'Baldwin approached responding deputies on the day of the shooting, wanting to talk to them because he was the one who 'fired' the gun.'

'The photos and videos clearly show Baldwin multiple times with his finger inside of the trigger guard and on the trigger, while manipulating the hammer and while drawing, pointing and holstering the revolver.

'Baldwin knew the first rule of gun safety is to never point a gun at someone you don't intend on shooting,' the document continues.

Baldwin claimed in interviews after the shooting that he did not pull the trigger.

The document also said Baldwin failed to demand 'at least two (2) safety checks between the armorer and himself' prior to the shooting.

Prosecutors said: 'If Baldwin had not pointed the gun at Hutchins and Souza, this tragedy would not have occurred.

'This reckless deviation from known standards and practice and protocol directly caused the fatal shooting.'

R43 Guns don't recoil from blanks the way they do with live ammo. Some directors insist on the real thing.

R45 is just a dangerous asshole who knows nothing of what he speaks.

Attached are the Union’s Rules regarding guns on set. Point #13 explicitly states:

[quote][bold]Check the firearm every time you take possession of it.[/bold] Before each use, make sure the gun has been test-fired off stage and then ask to test fire it yourself. Watch the prop master check the cylinders and barrel to be sure no foreign object or dummy bullet has become lodged inside.

He’s also too stupid to realize that most on this site are on the same side politically as Baldwin.

I'll never understand why some people are so intensely identified with a certain political party that they defend any of their fellow "tribe members" no matter what.

Alec Baldwin is a liberal who is also a horrible human being, and he killed a woman due to a combination of arrogance and negligence. Acknowledging this doesn't indicate being a right-winger; it indicates being capable of rational thought.

Canteen Boy will finally be safe.

He didn't just hate Trump. He damned him to hell and prison. Careful what you put out there. However much you may hate a person. It can come right back at you. Look what happened to Avenatti and that hooker.

Sounds like there are facts that support his reckless disregard for her life. Sounds like this Baldwinito is finito.

And like it or not it doesnt help his case that he is a known arrogant asshole with a crazy wife who speaks in tongues and a shitload of large-headed IVF babies.

[quote]he killed a woman due to a combination of arrogance and negligence

Negligence possibly, but only in his role as producer. Not as an actor. I don't know where you and others are getting this idea that there is some proof that he did this on purpose, but there isn't; if there is, it hasn't been released yet.

[quote]Acknowledging this doesn't indicate being a right-winger; it indicates being capable of rational thought.

When you guys keep using rightwing tabloid papers as your sources, and keep bringing up that he's an arrogant liberal, you don't get to cry like widdle babies about "others" making it political. You're the ones doing that all by yourselves.

[quote]And that stupid "armorer" needs to face justice, too.

At least she's being charged, but honestly, her ass needed to be on the line first, before the AD and before the actor. She was apparently letting people load the gun with real ammo and use it to play around with out in the desert. Production allowed her to do this. They're the ones who should be facing justice right now. The other producers aren't even being charged, and that's bullshit.

Thanks for the link, R42. But the video should be starting at the 050 point to see the moment.

Cagney spoke of this scene and apparently he was supposed to be standing at that corner when the scene was shot. But he refused.

If he had been standing where he had been told to stand, he would have been injured or killed by the actual machine gun fire.

Doesn't Baldwin hold responsibility for what happens on set as the producer? I had heard that he was going cheap and the armorer had other jobs besides just that, and there had been live rounds on the set that people had been shooting cans with.

As R54 said.

more news coming in i'll post it @ r58

- Baldwin was not present for required firearms training

- After failing to show up to this training, he received a 30-minute on-set training during which he was distracted talking to his family on the phone

- He exhibited "reckless behaviour" in the lead up to Hutchins's death

and more...

As per DL unofficial rules, all bearking news shall be flooded with bear porn.

I'm fucking SICK AND TIRED of politics being injected into EVERY damn topic where it's not necessary NOT relevant.

I'm as liberal as they come, and this no-talent, arrogant, raspy-voiced, thinks his every bowel movement is notworthy, assclown absolutely deserves to be charged. He was negligent, didn't show up for training, was not paying attention during a special training on set for him, and was the on-set producer who went on the cheap for this production and didn't appropriately staff up and had already had crew walk out on the whole production because of safety concerns.

He has shown no remorse, doesn't seem to read the room to shut his damn trap, has shown absolutely no decorum whatsoever and has taken not ONE OUNCE OF BLAME AT ALL for what happened. Any person with a drop of humanity in them would feel guilty as shit, would question if they'd done this differently, etc. Not Alec(x).

If you watch that stupid interview he did ("she was my *friend*, we went to dinner" WTF that even means), he actually seems to show that he was in an irritated state of mind: "should i point it here? how about here? how about here?". He seemed like he was agitated and maybe somewhat miffed with her. Watch the interview if you haven't already; better yet, watch it with the body language experts dissecting it. It's pretty enlightening.

He deserves these charges. John Q. Public would most likely be charged as well. His shit stinks, water is wet, the sky is blue, the sun comes up every day and he holds some guilt and a LOT of responsibility in this.

AND STOP CALLING PEOPLE RIGHT-WING because they think he should be.

[quote]"she was my *friend*, we went to dinner" WTF that even means

LOL

[quote]—Steps down from soapbox, straightens shirt and walks away

I tripped when I tried to get up on it.

Just as well, I couldn’t better your rant anyway. Well done, sir.

It,s a fabulous rant, yes.

Come here.....reporters......aqui aqui......

R61–Great rant!! Hope the stupid political trolls fuck off now.

Baldwin did nothing wrong and you have to be a complete fuckwit to imagine that he did.

Actors are not required to be weapons safety experts, Armorers are and that's why they have jobs.

They'll go through the motions and end up with nothing. He won't be convicted of anything, nor should he be convicted of anything. He was involved in a terrible accident at work. There's nothing more to be said.

You’re obviously just trolling now.

The prosecutor has laid out their prima facie case in public as to why the charges were brought. Per rules, he IS supposed to check the gun, not cancel and disregard safety meetings and not be distracted on his cellphone during a special safety briefing just for him.

Then he pulled the trigger and fired a gun at someone resulting in their death. If you don’t find any fault in that, you’re beyond hopeless. Or, as I said, trolling.

r67 - he does have responsibility, especially since he's the one having the very untrained "armorer" doing two jobs, and after she'd already complained she was having problems completing the duties for both jobs. He also knew of her lack of training.

He wasn't just "an actor" on this movie, but we've already established you obviously have a problem with reading comprehension. I'm sure they have some sort of online master class to help you with that.

This just in, didn't want to link to the DM:

Baldwin is being sued by Halyna Hutchin's parents and only sibling. They claim Halyna would have brought them over from the Ukraine when war started, and now they are stuck. They say Baldwin never contacted them even to express condolences.

Seems a little grifty to me even though I think Baldwin is guilty as fuck. I wonder why the son-in-law can't/won't help them, now that he's rich.

Poor Alec. I guess we can expect another kid this year.

i'm sure they have the embryos on ice already, and have scheduled an implantation (into a surrogate of course).

Aqui! Aqui! Mis amigos...mi esposo es innocencio. Ahora....shut the fuck up.

Except she pronounced ahora “a-WHORE-ay.”

R38 is right, and these protocols in place for weapons on set are pretty much identical to the supposedly common-sense rules of gun handling that anyone dealing with weapons know and follow, especially when others are present. But the rules apply if one is alone.

It isn't hard.

Treat every gun as if it were loaded with the safety off. Don't point. Don't pull the trigger. Be careful and don't drop it. Store it appropriately, in transit and when put away.

Baldwin should have delayed continuing production once crew members walked off the set. And appointing an armorer but giving her another job to fulfil was reckless and stupid.

He and the producers are responsible for the chaotic set which led to a tragedy.

Murderer Alec sued

The parents and sister of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, who was killed on the Rust set in 2021, filed a lawsuit against Alec Baldwin and others involved with the production over her death.

Attorney Gloria Allred is representing those family members — Halyna's dad and mom, Anatoly and Olga Androsovych, and her sister Svetlana, who live in Ukraine — and held a press conference in Los Angeles on Thursday. The lawsuit was filed in Los Angeles County Superior Court against defendants Baldwin, the producers of Rust and many others including in the film including armorer Hannah Gutierrez Reed, first assistant director Dave Halls, prop master Sarah Zachary and ammunition supplier Seth Kenney.

The lawsuit alleges battery, intentional infliction of emotional distress, negligence and loss of consortium for the plaintiffs. Allred explained that the consortium claim "seeks to recover compensation for damages to certain relationships that are mutually dependent," noting Halyna financially supported her family.

There has been no outreach to them by Mr. Baldwin to even say he was sorry. So we want accountability and justice for them. It's as simple as that."

I'm just glad that 🐻👑 is still a thing.

To be fair, if he had contacted and apologized to her parents, it would have opened him up to legal culpability, I bet.

Why don’t they just come here? NYC is a sanctuary city, and they can get three hots and a cot like all the other “migrants”. Don’t need papers or anything.

If Alec goes to jail I'll help the wife with the little ones.

I'm really good at rubbing sun lotion on the little ones.

[quote]To be fair, if he had contacted and apologized to her parents, it would have opened him up to legal culpability, I bet.

Not if he merely called to express his condolences on the loss of their child. Granted, it would be an awkward conversation and he may not be able to answer their questions, but he went and did a TV interview explaining how it happened to anyone else who would listen, so I’m not thinking he’s worried about culpability.

The gun enhancement has been dropped.

SANTA FE, N.M. — Prosecutors are dropping a five-year firearm sentencing enhancement in the charges against Alec Baldwin, significantly reducing the maximum prison time the actor could face if convicted in the fatal "Rust" movie set shooting.

ABC News and The New York Times reported the announcement Monday. Baldwin still faces a charge of involuntary manslaughter — giving him a maximum of 18 months in prison if convicted. Baldwin's lawyers had called for the enhancement to be dropped, arguing that it is unconstitutionally based on a law passed after the shooting.

[bold]Prosecutors dropped the enhancement to “avoid further litigious distractions by Mr. Baldwin and his attorneys," a spokesperson for the Santa Fe District Attorney's Office told The New York Times. [/bold]

Baldwin and Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, the weapons supervisor on the set of the Western, were charged last month with felony involuntary manslaughter in the shooting death of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins. The altered charges also apply to Gutierrez-Reed.

"Another day, another motion from Alec Baldwin and his attorneys in an attempt to distract from the gross negligence and complete disregard for safety on the 'Rust' film set that led to Halyna Hutchins' death," Heather Brewer, spokesperson for the New Mexico First Judicial District Attorney, said. "In accordance with good legal practice, the District Attorney and the special prosecutor will review all motions -- even those given to the media before being served to the DA. However, the DA's and the special prosecutor's focus will always remain on ensuring that justice is served and that everyone -- even celebrities with fancy attorneys -- is held accountable under the law."

Millionaire murderer burying and overwhelming a small prosecutor's office in paper. Roy Cohn would approve.

TMZ says the Santa Fe D.A. made the decision to drop the gun enhancement charge today after Alec’s attorney successfully argued that it shouldn’t apply since the version of the charge that was on the books back when the shooting occurred on October 21, 2021 included the stipulation that the defendant had to have “brandished” the gun with the threat or intent to harm, which wasn’t what happened when Alec committed the profoundly irresponsible and idiotic accident. The D.A. originally charged Alec with the newly amended law, in which the wording was changed to delete the “brandishing” qualifier. It wasn’t passed until months after the shooting, though.

Yeah..you cant charge someone with something that wasn't on the books at the time.