How much longer do you give J Lo and Ben Affleck?

Two or three years, just to make it look good.

The end of the year? I think she thought they were going to get a lot more traction out of this ridiculous marriage than they did.

I think that for the sake of humanity, they should be together-forever instead of splitting up to then fool-n-fuck around and ruin other people's life with their shitty perceptions of love relationships.

I was also going to say 2 years. I have a feeling that greedy attention whore will drive him back to the drink.

Like Garner? He says she is why he drank so much.

No sympathy for Affleck. He knew what he was getting into.

Hilarious. But I also marvel at the average DLer's ability to find the most random shit online.

I mean, a video of newlyweds Ben Affleck and JLo arguing at a premiere of her new movie? Even if I went looking for it I wouldn't be able to find it

This was why she was upset in the above video. You can see she’s trying to keep it cute for the video but she asks “what’s that??” And he’s obviously intoxicated or high.

He looks hammered.

She would be criticized more if she let him drink. She's trying to help him. What is she supposed to do? Being married to an alcoholic is a nightmare.

[quote]She would be criticized more if she let him drink. She's trying to help him. What is she supposed to do?

She can’t “let him” drink or not drink, that's out of her control. What not to do is try to manage an alcoholic's drinking. It doesn’t help him and it doesn’t work.

At a massively public televised event like the Grammys, she has two immediate options: leave the event, creating a media meltdown; or slap a big smile on her face until they get home.

Next day, get both their representation teams together to figure out how they can manage their public relationship until a quiet separation. Come to think of it, this probably already went down and Ben's not sticking to the plan laid out for the Grammy awards. That’s why she's pissed. Too bad, but that’s the script, like you said, r10.

Is J-Lo as clean living as she says she is? Why does she seem to gravitate towards substance abusers if so?

They need to consider doing a reality show.

R12 That's not the point. He looks destroyed and ruins the event, making it all about him. She does no such thing. I'm convinced all if Hollywood is on something.

I find Affleck's behavior enormously self centred and arrogant. He really embarrassed her at an event she took him to as her date. He couldn't have just sat there like a normal person for a few hours and pretended to enjoy it? He just has to make sure absolutely everyone knows he's sooooo bored because he's soooo above this kind of event? How incredibly selfish. I'm sure Lopez is very hard work, but she's beautiful, driven and smart. She couldn't find a better partner than him?

Well said r15. He just seems hell bent on self destruction.

Don't cry for me. I'm already dead.

Quickly. By the end of 2023 for sure.

JLo is probably the only one with the balls to keep him in line, and he resents the hell out of her for it.

But having to keep someone in line all the time is going to make for an absolutely miserable marriage.

He was miserable with doormat Garner too.

I don't understand J Lo's incessant need to have a man at all times. Why can't she just enjoy her money and her kids and her career? Why does she always have to have some man around?

[quote]I don't understand J Lo's incessant need to have a man at all times.

Well, not ALL times.

R22 Because that's her entire identity--the object of men's desire. Women are conditioned at a very young age to value themselves according to how men value them. They're taught that to be sexually desired by men gives them value.

Some women internalize that shit hard, and it's almost impossible to de-program that type of socialization once you've attached your identity to it.

I'm sure, for J-Lo, being without a man probably feels akin to dissociation--a complete and utter existential nightmare.

R23 LOL I actually do think she was fucking Leah. Would it tank her career to publicly date a woman, even at this point? Men don't seem to work out for her.

Agree with R15 100%. Affleck acted not only a drunken man-child but a selfish little bitch, as well.

[quote] Why does she always have to have some man around?

Liz Taylor was the same way and got much worse with age. If a man visited her at her home she would whine and cry when the time came for him to leave. She'd literally beg them to stay with her because she couldn't stand being alone.

JLo has almost as many marriages as Liz Taylor.

By 50 Liz looked like worn out bloated shit. At 50-something J-Lo looks genuinely INCREDIBLE.

As in, fucking i n c r e d i b l e.

And I'm not even a fan.

Moon-assed (and faced) Madonna needs to phone Mrs. Affleck's surgeon STAT!

[QUOTE] JLo has almost as many marriages as Liz Taylor.

[QUOTE] By 50 Liz looked like worn out bloated shit. At 50-something J-Lo looks genuinely INCREDIBLE.

So fine, she needs a man. The point however, as R29 alludes, is why a rich beautiful woman who can have any man she wants instead settles for a self-destructive alcoholic whose career has taken a downturn like Ben Affleck? Is he a trophy of sorts? She wants to be the woman who finally fixed him?

Don't forget, r30, to her, he was the One Who Got Away.

I think she literally just gets in a relationship with anyone who shows interest as soon as she’s available. She married Ojani Noa, a waiter, and Chris Judd who was a backup dancer.

If she’s truly policing his sobriety then this will end in tears.

I love them together.

I wouldn't be surprised if they are on the rocks already. Both seem to be very selfish.

Maybe drunken Ben can walk into the ocean, like Norman Maine in "A Star is Born." OR, maybe control freak Jen can walk into the ocean, like Joan Crawford in "Humoresque!"

R16, too late for his face. He's lost any looks he had.

Why is she drinking in front of him, then?

The camera at the Grammys caught another moment where she was bitching at him about something idk if anyone is talking about it this morning.

This thread is DL at its sweaty blathering best-

I don’t mind them together but I just don’t think Ben genuinely wants to stay sober. He gets sober for a time, but I doubt it’s long before he starts to plan to drink again. Kind of biding his time during dry periods. He hasn’t genuinely lost anything because of his drinking so what’s his motivation to stop?

Two deluded egomaniacs like matter and anti-matter playing "lovers" for the clicks?

What could go wrong?

Addicts are the biggest victims in their own mind. Perpetual pity party. He'll be this way until he dies - which may not take too long as he looks rough. His liver and kidneys must look like well done steaks.

trying to keep count, is this J lo's 4th marriage? which one has last the longest?

Ojani Noa ​(m. 1997; div. 1998)​

Cris Judd ​(m. 2001; div. 2003)​

Marc Anthony ​(m. 2004; div. 2014)​

Ben Affleck ​(m. 2022)

I’m surprised they actually took the plunge and got married. There was probably some mutual feeling of unsettled business that they had from 20 years ago. But marriage wasn’t necessary. I’m surprised she’s not smarter than this by now, given her track record. The woman simply can’t be without a man for long. And he can’t be off the sauce for long. I give it until summer.

Lol hopefully he can sneak gummies around her. You’d need something to take the edge off being with her.

Getting with a regular guy wouldn't give her the PUBLICITY she so obviously craves. This bitch needs attention like she needs oxygen. Laughing at all of you blaming Affleck. Yes, he's a piece of work, but the stories of her cuntitude are legion. Both of them are toxic AF.

He doesn’t look hammered to me.

Does he look hammered to any of you? We’ve seen him hammered, & this ain’t it.

Anyhow, their marriage, their business.

Ben's beat-down demeanor at the Grammys reminded me of this lovely scene! Wonder what thoughts were running through HIS mind?

[quote]The end of the year? I think she thought they were going to get a lot more traction out of this ridiculous marriage than they did.

They're both getting old and they're not as popular with the public as the media would have you believe.

Anybody who marries a serial rehabber/relapser has a self-destructive impulse.

Two miserable cunts who burned every other bridge they have no choice.

Their careers are littered with stupid decisions. This one unlike most is easily undone.

[quote]Does he look hammered to any of you?

Two posts said he did so obviously, yes.

They are both exhausting, just on opposite ends of the spectrum.

I think at least a year, for dignity/appearance sake. But they'll probably spend a lot of that separated by "work."

She is trying too damn hard. Pathetic

I give it 6 months. She can’t stay married. They are clearly on the rocks.

Some men like being mothered by their wives.

[Quote]Maybe drunken Ben can walk into the ocean, like Norman Maine in "A Star is Born."

And in her Instagram post after they find his body washed up on shore, JLo will say, "Hello, everybody. This is Mrs. Ben. Affleck" as her newest single swells in the background.

The day after that, she marries one of the back-up singers from her new album.

I seem to remember the first breakup was generally considered to be JLo's decision. Ben was deep into his booze and gambling addictions with pictures of JLo looking bored out of her mind at the craps table. Now it's Ben looking sullen at the Grammys and whispering 'fuck this' in her ear.

I do think she values health and sobriety which is why she doesn't really understand the massive potential for relapsing with alcoholics. She assumes he's cured. If he slips she just slaps the big dope and points out how lucky he is to have her ass. But how many events can she drag the morose, seething, sad sack to before he blows up in a drunken rage, calls her a bitch, insults her kids, and she has to divorce him 'for the health of the family?'

At this rate there's no way the marriage will last through another awards season.

Until Jay-Low remembers how much she likes being fucked by big, hard cocks.

Ben is.... "working on his issues" and "has a little problem there, beyond not getting hard for me."

He looked different last night... not sure I've nailed down why? More forehead or something. Definitely looking older.

I saw several photos and I don't think he looked drunk. Not thrilled though.

I can't believe Ben is not even 50 yet, r63. He looks MUCH older.

[quote] I seem to remember the first breakup was generally considered to be JLo's decision. Ben was deep into his booze and gambling addictions with pictures of JLo looking bored out of her mind at the craps table.

Some people also speculated that he was pushing her away, because he wanted out of their engagement and didn’t have the balls to end it honestly. She was insanely popular during this time period and it looked like Ben had grown sick of the constant frenzy that came from her fame.

Why was JLo even at the Grammys? She has two noms to her name, the last in 2000!

Ben fucking loved the frenzy. He just didn't love her. He's such a pig.

It's a stunt. She's been stunt fucking so long, it's all she knows.

Let's Be Ben Affleck's Funeral was a hilarious thread.

I want to read it so, in case anyone else wants to, here’s the link to that thread r69 mentioned.

R69 Can you link it?

r67 I agree. I actually felt sorry for J-Lo because I think she truly loved him and she was so humiliated in front of the entire world when he called off their original wedding at the last minute. She didn't really do anything to deserve it...she was just annoying and too much. I don't understand why she ever took him back. Where's her self esteem?

Sure, she could, r15, but I just got married again!

I love your voice Marc, but I have heard that you aren’t so a great a husband yourself.

Ben should be slumped in a Glasgow bar covered in coal dust.

Right, R74. Wasn't he widely rumored to have physically abused JLo?

I believe it was a blind item that said as much r76. Abusive physically, emotionally and very controlling. But she was with him longer than anyone else!

She's a control freak. Maybe she liked a little switchy-switchy and letting someone else have some control. Who knows.

r77, Ted Casablanca basically said he beat the shit out of her. I can't imagine JLo putting up with that. I guess you never really know what goes on in people's lives.

Not like this r21. Especially so soon.

Her "sexy" face always makes her look constipated.

You really overestimate her qualities r15 Quality men can, and will do better.

OP- Do you mean- How much longer before he’s sucking COCK and getting FUCKED up his SCRAWNY ass?

So is JLo really bi? Maybe if this marriage goes to shit, she could marry a woman next. That would surely keep her in the headlines.

Especially if she married Jennifer Garner.

I wonder if they’ve ever role played Batman and Catwoman.

Could be she's just addicted to the dick & doesn't want to have to go out hunting for it all the time. I picture Ben being a bull, under the duvet.

Thank you SO MUCH, r70.

Marrying Jennifer Garner was a weird choice he made.

But, marrying Lopez at this stage was an even weirder one. It's strange to think of him pining for her as "the one that got away."

In the end, Lopez will be so much more controlling than Garner ever was because Lopez is such a bigger narcissist (saying a lot) than Garner, arising from her being a bigger celebrity and used to having her way. He'll end up being a fat, drunken mess, just like the end of his marriage to Garner because Lopez because he both needs and hates being controlled like that.

The question is not whether they split, but whether he'll die before they split or after.

[quote]Could be she's just addicted to the dick & doesn't want to have to go out hunting for it all the time. I picture Ben being a bull, under the duvet.

He looks too drunk to get it up.

I think once her sexy years are finally over (yes she looks good NOW but it's not going to last forever) she's going to make Madonna look sane and healthy by comparison. What does JLo DO without the sexy/stripper dancing and perpetual bride movies when she's say...64?

When two narcissists love each other very very much, they make a loveless, mutually exploitative relationship with the goal of showing the world what great lovers they are.

Is it common for two narcissists to get together? I thought narcissists couldn't stand to be with other narcissists and that they usually look for 'empaths' or 'codependents'?

His beard looks dyed, and a very dark color, which makes every guy look older.

Narcissists get together all the time. See Hollywood. See Washington DC.

[quote]it common for two narcissists to get together? I thought narcissists couldn't stand to be with other narcissists and that they usually look for 'empaths' or 'codependents'?

It often becomes a very “us against the world” situation.

I'm pretty sure I read rumors that Marc Anthony was emotionally abusive, at least, to his first wife former Miss Universe Dayanara Torres. She may have even been interviewed about surviving the rocky marriage. It's been nearly two decades since they split.

I wonder if MA was her longest marriage because they didn't spend much time together due to their busy careers. Her previous two husbands, the waiter and they back up dancer, were essentially her employees and probably had a lot more contact with her.

I love it when narcissists get together. They deserve each other. Having children, though: No, 2 narcissists should not have children.

r96 yes, Dayanara Torres has spoken out about the abuse, and so has J-Lo, actually, in her book that came out a few years back. She didn't spill much, though.

I think if anything, J-Lo spent much MORE time with Marc Anthony. They were married for something like 7 years and he was super controlling and hardly let her work for a time. I think she tried to make it work for the kids. The blind items about them were very grim.

I wonder why he hasn't received more flak for being an abuser. Does the Latin community and press protect him? Is he generous wit payoffs?

r99 the Latin community is toxic when it comes to this kind of thing. A lot of the time, abuse is downplayed, or even worse, the woman is actually blamed for it. I remember people actually saying J-Lo probably deserved it for having attitude, being rude, etc. Unfortunately, domestic violence is really common in Latino households and lots of men are given a pass for it, especially if they're rich and famous. I have also heard that he pays people off - I think there was a blind about it.

[quote] I love it when narcissists get together. They deserve each other. Having children, though: No, 2 narcissists should not have children.

That's a gross generalization. Being a Narcissist does not guarantee their children will be fucked up, just as not being a Narcissist doesn't guarantee any degree of mental health.

Being a narcissistic parent is definitely harmful for children.

Children require adults willing to make a lot of sacrifices and to be emotionally mature.

R102, children REQUIRE 3 hots, some shots, and a cot. You're just overly complicating things.

See, this is why we have a quiet quitting epidemic and they demand free higher education.

The DM has the lip reading scoop on what JLo was lecturing Ben about at the Grammys.

Jennifer: Stop, looking more friendly... look motivated! Ben: I might

*look more friendly

Poor Ben just wanted to be at home, in sweatpants, in front of the tv with a bottle of scotch.

"I didn't sign up to be your fucking life coach! Get your lazy sad sack ass to the couch! "

Motivated? Exhausting. I'm so glad I'm not a celeb.

OP, in her defense, he does look like a drunk who's trying to hide the fact that he's on a binge again. Something about his movements.

I thought some narcissists can be good parents, because they see their kids as extensions of themselves.

JLo's daughter is ugly as a mud fence r110.

Wonder if he ever uses antabuse.

JLo doesn't seem to be a bad parent from what I've seen. Her kids seem to like and respect her, and surprisingly, they seem close to her, especially the girl. I'd have thought they'd be raised by nannies but apparently not. I was surprised by how warm she seems with them.

R92 You should look up this obscure girl and her antiquated 'titled' ginger husband; their names are Megan and Harry, Google ought to turn up something for you.

why does someone always show up to shoehorn Harry and Meghan into every goddamn thread?

They both probably fell into a rebound relationship, with someone who brought back their youth and glory days.

No r10. It's really damaging. You have to constantly jump through hoops to stay on their "good" side. There's never a rest or a break. They rage and it doesn't matter how hard you try. Narcs enjoy abusing others, especially those they can control. They want you to be the "perfect" version of themselves that they could never achieve.

r117 who do you mean is the narc? JLo or Ben?

I know of someone who saw a psychologist for their depression. As soon as the therapist realised the patient was suffering due to being married to a narcissist, Child Protective Services were called in. They couldn't do much due to the system being overloaded and more dangerous situations needing attention, but that household is definitely on their radar now.

Oh well, at least he's not fat anymore.

I'm wondering if Lopez has something like BPD. She seems to be completely unable to function without a relationship. Does she have some kind of trauma from childhood? Parent abandoned her or something?

Upthread someone said her mother kicked her out of the house as soon as she was able. She took up with an older guy.

[quote] I know of someone who saw a psychologist for their depression. As soon as the therapist realised the patient was suffering due to being married to a narcissist, Child Protective Services were called in.

What? Sounds pretty unprofessional to just make a call like that. No specifics on how any children are suffering.

[quote] Poor Ben just wanted to be at home, in sweatpants, in front of the tv with a bottle of scotch.

Ben's not a homebody like that. It's what DLers fantasize about (feeding grapes and scotch to a pleasantly-plastered Ben).

Ben's rich and likes to go to casinos and hetero strip clubs.

Murder/Suicide is inevitable.

Nothing really exciting like that happens in Hollywood anymore, r125.

Why did Jlo's mom kick her out so young? She always gives the impression she comes from a loving and stable family.

R123, it also came out in the sessions that the narcissist was a terrible parent. The parent who saw the psych was functioning as a single parent, carrying all the load and dealing with an abusive, manipulative narc. Because of the narc's "parenting", they refused to have any more kids with the narcissist, despite the narcissist saying they wanted a big family. The psych was right to make the call.

Okay, why? "Narc" used to mean "a narcotics snitch." When did this change?

As spelled, "narc" is pronounced "nark," but the "nark" sound doesn't follow from the word "narcissist." So is it just a visual thing?

Or is "narc" in the new context supposed to be pronounced in an anti-correct-linguistics way as "narse"?

Bah and feh.

Interesting video about when narcissists collide feat Jen and Ben.

Everyone is a narcissist these days, it seems. And everyone with an internet connection is qualified to diagnose someone as a narcissist, even a person they've never met!

R131 I actually truly do believe Ben is a narcissist. I have unfortunately had a lot of personal experience with one. J-Lo, I'm less sure about.

One more televised awards show appearance together.

They're both narcissists. I don't envy their children.

I don't either r134. Especially the daughter who is not beautiful and seems awkward.

He'll cheat on her (while on a bender) and make sure that she finds out - he's too chickenshit to leave her. He'll make her throw him out.

R135 You're part of the problem...so what if she's not beautiful? She seems like quite a cool kid, not awkward at all. Apparently both J-Lo's twins are smart and academic, so they'll probably pursue actual careers outside of being nepo kids, which is a good thing.

r136 bingo. That is exactly what men like Ben do. It's pretty much what he did to her last time - cheated and then acted like an asshole until she had no choice but to leave.

Their Dunkin Donuts Super Bowl commercial was kind of funny imo.

they both want people to worship them, and wait on them. They are both freaked out about divorce. So when, they are caught, with photos, hooking up with someone else.

Forget the drinking — I can't imagine J-Lo dating a smoker, much less marrying one. And Ben is probably the Hollywood actor most photographed smoking.

R141, multiple people here have claimed J-Lo smokes cigarettes herself. She also used to have a reputation as a pothead when she started out in acting.

JLo would have a much bigger problem with the daughter if she was pretty enough to compete with her. Poor kid probably keeps herself plain out of self-preservation.

r143 more likely that the daughter has seen the shitshow of her mother's love life and has decided to avoid heterosexual relationships and looking traditionally pretty at all costs. Interesting, actually, that J-Lo herself looked downright dykey as a teen and as a Fly Girl on In Living Color. She didn't start to look feminine and pretty until she started out as an actress.

Saw that new movie of hers last night. Her acting has improved tremendously so she must have been taking lessons. Her close ups though showed bags and shadows under her eyes they tried to conceal. She's definitely aging under all the make up caked on. Legs still looked good.

She was always a decent actress. Singing, on the other hand…

Indeed, she has always been a decent actress. Some of her early work is really, really good, as was Hustlers. El Cantante with Marc Anthony was also fantastic. She just kept going for those silly romantic comedies that didn't work for her, which is weird because most actresses can be OK in a silly rom com role, but not everyone can be convincing in gritty roles the way she is. It's like she almost goes out of her way to choose projects that don't showcase her actual ability at all.

She must have a weird fetish about making bridal rom coms. I think she's made about 5 at this point.

She can't do romcom because she's not some silly airheaded white girl. She's a tough, hardworking Puerto Rican from the Bronx.

When you look at all the other actresses who do drama, even the white ones, they tend to come from tough childhoods or they aren't great looking themselves.

Romcoms are for pretty spoiled white girls who have never had a tough day in their lives. Reese, Jennifer A, Kate Hudson, Meg Ryan, etc.

Anyone who doubts Ben's narcissism hasn't seen him bloviate on Real Time. Or his stupid Project Greenlight show.

R149 exactly. Lopez comes across as having had a hard life, she's gorgeous but she looks hard and tough, and that just doesn't work when you're supposed to be some ditzy rich girl in a wedding movie. It did work very well in Hustlers. She should really stick to those kinds of roles.

r150 any links? I haven't seen much of Ben Affleck but he gives me horrible vibes and I wouldn't mind having a reason to hate him.

The legendary video of an obviously shitfaced Affleck on Any Given Wednesday, a sports talk show. Dude is HAMMERED.

R153 This is hysterical, thank you, as I'd never have found this on my own.

NFL is NOT the FBI! Omg, this is him in life arguing any point, and it's amazingly bad.

There has to be something seriously wrong with her for marrying THAT.

I loved Project Greenlight and The Chair.

I actually am starting to think JLo might have some mental health issues, in all honesty. Why would she go back to this man after he humiliated her, especially when he's in this state?

Wow at the clip at r153. It's like being trapped at a bar next to a drunk straight guy talking sports.

OMG Ben seems insufferable. One of those straight white men who think they're so much cleverer than they are and just talks AT people.

OP I don't know them l, just from what I read here. But I don't like them for no good reason and do not want them to remain together for my own fucked up reasons, so I'd also say a few months.

Given what happened at that awards show, I'd say it's over within the year.

Gorgeous is really pushing it. The daughter is already trying the nepotism baby crap with that weird superbowl show a couple years back.

Met this beautiful, petite brunette in the airport lounge last year. She has her own esthetics type business. I complimented her on her dress and we got to talking over a few drinks. Wouldn't you know, she had Mr. Marc Anthony saved in her phone. She met him once while she was on vacation. Said he was a real coke head who carried around loads of cash.

r162 it's well known that he's a cokehead. Did you get any gossip on him?

We have found our lovenest..

I just want to see that sad puppy dog make me a whiskey face! So cutely tragic.

Until August.

R145, The legs are the last to age.

JLo is, IMO, terrific in the Richard Gere (Stanley Tucci, Susan Sarandon, Forest Whitaker, Bobby Cannivale) movie "Shall We Dance?"

He needs bff Matt Damon to help him get his shit together. That's the only person I think Ben would ever listen to.

It's odd how J Lo is still considered A list when her career output is basically Hallmark movies and warmed over pop songs that don't sell.

I never saw her as A list.

Her name is a lot more famous than her output.

I bet many of people here haven't been in a relationship since 1986. It's normal for couples to fight.

In her early films I thought she was a good actress with an unusual melodic voice. But then I read that she performed at an event for some warlord-dictator for a couple million (feigning ignorance, of course) and I gave up on her. I give the marriage as long as the loveless business arrangement between her and Ben lasts which could be many years.

I think r169 needs to be edumacated:

R169 she has given some terrific performances in films. She would have won an Oscar by now if she hadn't turned herself into a brand and diluted her talent with all the other stuff she does.

Ben goes on and on about Boston and New England and Dunkin' Donuts but the fool is from the Bay Area. Smh.

She will suffocate him. He needs parenting from a wife just like he got from Garner. I give them 3 years at most.

Well r176 Ben's family moved to Boston when he was three years old so he did grow up there. However, he hasn't lived in Boston in over 30 years. He's been in Los Angeles since the early 90s.

Garner has really mothered him at times in a way that could be argued was enabling. I don’t think she cares. She does it so her kids can have some kind of relationship with their father. Other than for her kids, I don’t think she gives a shit about Ben at all.

There's no way to win with a man like Ben. Garner mothered him and was viewed as enabling, plus he resented her for it. Lopez tells him to get his shit together and she's viewed as a meanie and a bitch, and I'm sure he resents her for that too. I think he's too weak and immature to manage a functional adult relationship. His inane rambling in that video posted above is nothing short of pathetic. He literally sounds like an 18-year-old college freshman with no life experience pontificating, not a middle aged man with kids.

JLo is for JLo. Totally. At some point she'll decide he is more trouble than he's worth. Plus she LOVES publicity. Even more than him. They have no privacy and their life is going to be played out in public. At some point he will feel the weight of that lack of anything resembling intimacy or privacy.

Oh please. Ben loves the attention as much as her. Wtf do you think he got with her the first AND second times?

R181 I actually don't think JLo is like that. She stayed in an incredibly toxic marriage to Marc Anthony largely because of the kids, and she tolerated Alex Rodriguez cheating for years before it just got too humiliating. She seems like someone who will put up with all kinds of shit not to be alone. She simply cannot be alone.

IMO, Jennifer Garner was still in love with Ben, even at the end. If you look at photos (except the Jack In the Box car photo), she was always mooning over him, even when he seemed absolutely bored and checked out.

They could easily have gotten divorced a couple of years before it was finalized. Both rich. They could've bought houses within walking distance and shared custody. J. Garner was clinging to Ben.

I wonder what he’s like in the sack. I can’t picture him ardently sucking pussy or anything energetic.

Wasn’t it a rumor that she 💩 on Ben’s cock when they had anal? I know that I read it here. Too lazy to search.

It's not just that JLo can't be alone. She cannot be without the drama, paps and attention that being in a relationship gives her (and that she courts). Without that, people would forget she exists.

R185 J-Lo raved about him in bed in her album This Is Me...Then. I've read reports from women who slept with him that he's quite dominant and a little rough, and apparently J-Lo is into that.

They're the ghetto or barrio equivalent of Taylor & Burton.

Jennifer has just gotten a tattoo of their names, so maybe she's really serious about this lasting. I have to say I'm surprised she committed to that. She doesn't seem like a tattoo kind of girl.

R190, Ben got one too: crossed arrows with their initials. They’re carrying on like trailer park sweethearts in their 20s.

Up next: bow renewals.

^^ VOW renewals.

R186, I recall the rumor that he stuck his thumb in her ass while she was riding him reverse cowgirl and she shit on his chest. I have tried and failed to find it, using all sorts of google-fu. It’s been scrubbed.

He seems really into her ass.

R193 how would anyone know such a specific detail?

The story at the time was that Ben left his mic on while on set, went over to his trailer, and someone from the crew could hear him talking to Jennifer through their headphones. She asked him if he wanted to fuck, and he said something along the lines of "are you feeling better? I don't want you to shit on me again!"

It's been long rumored that J-Lo is very into anal sex. It would go some way towards explaining why all these men keep proposing to her.

JLo is rich and successful. That explains the proposals. If a man is rich and successful he'd get with someone like her because she won't be a gold digger.

Why can’t she get canceled?

I do believe she’s into anal.

Well, that’s where all of her talent comes from r198…

The Dunkin commercial was the "high" point for them, it is all downhill from here. Look for a messy breakup this spring.

The matching tattoos mean this marriage is heading for total doom.

r170 Exactly. Pre-"On the 6" she was taken somewhat seriously as an up and coming actress. Then she became a massive celebrity and wanted to do Rom-Coms like Julia Roberts and Sandra Bullock and, later, Kate Hudson and Jennifer Aniston. Her name pushed mediocre projects forward because she had a big fan base that went to the movies. But she was always way more interesting in Blood and Wine than in Maid in Manhattan.

R202 I'd say she was taken VERY seriously as an actress. She was nominated for a Golden Globe just two years into her film career, which was really quite remarkable. She got good reviews for U Turn, Out of Sight, pretty much every movie she did pre 2000. She is a very decent actress. The music career really messed up her opportunities for awards in that regard.

I will say this about JLo. She is a very hard worker. I remember her from her days as a dancer on the show In Living Color. She has the determination and the fight to be successful.

Two leos = drama all the time.

Holy shit, I can't believe JLo was praised for Uturn. It was a very wooden performance where she tried to do her version of a Native American accent. I think she also wore makeup to look darker.

JLo is shit at accents. I wonder if it's because English isn't quite her first language? I know she grew up speaking it but she probably heard only Spanish at home as a baby/young kid. She has a little bit of a Spanish accent in English most of the time.

Well, still going strong.

Imagine being with an overbearing frau. Let the man drink if he wants to, for fuck sake.

I give them six more months.

They will separate in 3 yrs and divorce after 5. "We tried..."

[quote] you can tell Jennifer is upset with him

Chronic alcoholics wear down your patience

R212- So do narcissistic attention whores.

She has an insatiable appetite for attention thus needed him to keep herself constantly in the headlines.

He's just not that into her but also needed to be in the headlines for something other than his drinking.

Match made in a publicist's office.

I give the marriage three years tops with two years after that for the divorce drama to dominate the headlines. They will have gotten a good five years of publicity out of "relationship" which is a decent ROI.

R214- She must be exhausting. I give it six months. He will have to get the hell away from her.

[quote] I actually felt sorry for J-Lo because I think she truly loved him and she was so humiliated in front of the entire world when he called off their original wedding at the last minute.

I don't remember this. I remember a broken engagement, not an aborted wedding.

He doesn't look well. He was on a morning show with Matt Damon and Viola Davis, and his face was gaunt.

Affleck and Matt Damon were on the last Sunday Morning. Affleck did the most talking...not giving Damon a chance to speak. He is looking pretty rough now...was quite handsome at one time.

I don't think they live together thus it can last a couple years rather than months. I bet they only see each other for the well-choreographed photo ops.

All the ridiculous going into escrow for several different houses and then pulling out of the deals speaks to PR stunts and trying to make it appear they are planning a future together.

It's easier to put up with people when you don't have to live with them or co-mingle your finances.

[quote] JLo is shit at accents. I wonder if it's because English isn't quite her first language? I know she grew up speaking it but she probably heard only Spanish at home as a baby/young kid. She has a little bit of a Spanish accent in English most of the time.

She speaks Spanish? I’ve never heard her do so. Her accent sounds like the Bronx where she grew up.

Six months

Every role she has she speaks with her NuYawk accent. Very limited as an actress. She was more interested in working the red carpet than she was in improving herself as an actress. Even in her best roles she wasn’t as good as many actresses in their worst!

Doesn't matter how exhausting she is.Ben is accustomed to being taken care of and she is not that girl. Garner mothered him.JLo will not. And he will get tired of "being good" and emotionally supporting her. She also wants her kids to get along with him, but not too much. She's the center of their world. She likes the fact he has his own kids to worry about, and while she likes the outings where they all get together, she is not totally comfortable with it. Then you have Ben gambling addiction and he drinks. And this is a shit mess. It may work for a while, but eventually the wheels will come off t his bus.

Damon looks completely Botoxed.

R220 yes she speaks Spanish, and pretty fluently, although she was much better back in the late nineties. She was doing interviews in it fairly regularly up until 2020 or so. She sounds like someone who was around it a ton as a child but discouraged from speaking it much as she grew up, which is probably exactly what happened.

r216 the wedding was indeed called off at the last minute. Some guests were already on their way when they received the call that it was canceled.

After multiple marriages, most people just give up and stay with the last one. I think Jennifer is there. I doubt Ben is. He'll probably just treat her like shit and embarrass her with scummy drug addicted women until she finally gets rid of him

I was rooting for JLo to be in one good comedy. Just one! She’s genuinely funny with really good comedic timing. But no, every comedy she has been in has been lousy.

JLo is better in drama. Leave the comedy to Julia Roberts and Jennifer Aniston.

R228 I also think J-Lo is very funny! Her sense of humor is really underrated, IMO. The thing is that it's a dry, New York kind of humor that's quite subtle and a bit dark, and she tends to pick romantic comedy scripts that call for a more wholesome, naive demeanor that she just can't pull off. She's never going to be believable as a privileged rich girl type, and she's picked that kind of role several times now.

R220 I think J-Lo pretends her Spanish is much worse than it is. She seems to like doing a whole Selena (Quintanilla) thing of pretending she didn't learn until she was an adult and she can't handle the grammar, when her accent and intonation make it clear she grew up speaking it (or at the very least listening to it all the time). She sounds like a native Spanish speaker in this interview from when she was promoting Selena. Nobody, and I mean nobody, talks this well if they learned as an adult. You can't get the accent right after a certain age. She might have pre-scripted the answer but you can't fake the accent this much. Especially if you're shit at accents, like Jennifer is.

I think Spanish was most likely her first language, and she probably spoke it a lot until she started school. I think she didn't want to admit to this earlier in her career in case it affected the range of parts she'd be offered.

I loved The Wedding Planner. It was a corny Rom Com and it was fun.

She is a looky-loo.

I think the only comedy of hers that I can stand to watch is the one with Jane Fonda. It has some funny scenes and Jane is really funny too.

I wonder what the issue is with them repeatedly pulling out of buying a home? Don't they lose money every time they do that?

R235 it depends on why they pull out. They probably get their deposit back. But it does seem curious. Personally I don't see how anyone should spend tens of millions of dollars on huge monstrosities. But I get it. They're wealthy. They want to reward themselves. So let's see. She wants a recording studio, and a rehearsal space. Maybe a dance studio. They want a gym. He wants a place to work on his movies in post production. He wants an office. She wants an office. He wants a mancave/retreat, she wants a "spa" type retreat.

Then there's a basket ball court, and tennis courts and pools. (two) and a nice patio suitable for entertaining. And enough acreage for a green house for flowers, and a garden for growing veggies, and maybe some nice sculptured gardens to wander around in. Maybe a koi pond. Maybe a "play house" for their kids who are now becoming teenagers and they can hang out in it. Maybe some special retreat where they can meditate.

And then there are the bedrooms. A huge suite for them. A separate dressing room for her. A separate dressing room for him. Each kid has their own suite:bedroom, study, bathroom. Both of them have mothers, families, siblings,etc. and lots of friends. So twelve to 14 bedrooms would be about right. Maybe they require a guest house. WTF. And boom, there it is, $64 Million. I guess they might have to lower their expectations between wants and needs?

You watch. They will eventually buy something then tear it down and build a new house. And then get divorced. Now Reese Witherspoon had a nice mansion in Brentwood, and then she bought the mansion "next door" tore them both down and built a new house. But she also has that "ranch" in Ojai. These people have more money than they know what to do with.

Don’t know and don’t care.

Does any human being really give a fuck about these two??????

[quote] After multiple marriages, most people just give up and stay with the last one.

Rich people might divorce, though, b/c they can afford it.

[quote] Don’t know and don’t care.

Yet here you are.

Never understood why people post in a thread stating that they don’t care about the subject of the thread…confused.

R209, It's not like this is Ben's first time at the JLo rodeo.

I think they genuinely get along and love each other, but neither one seems capable of having a healthy relationship. I wonder if they're in therapy.

r237 And Reese just announced her divorce. 😂

my understanding is the goop is going to win. the judge will give the jury legal guidance saying that there has to be premeditation and malice for goop to be guilty. The ski resort would be liable in a situation where medical care was denied, not gopp. Goop is not a medical doctor.

You lost, R245?

Times up. Now it's just for show.

Why do you say that r247?

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^^^ her mother prayed for 20 years they would get back together

Thanks a lot mom

These two have a love so hot it will burn through the ages.

A bit like how diarrhoea from an Indian curry will burn through the toilet pan.

Ben probably flirts with JLo's mom and makes her feel young again.

I hope their marriage lasts. He needs to stay sober. Rich, entitled people always have a difficult time saying NO to themselves. Being wealthy and powerful comes with so many issues. I'm rich, therefore I have earned the right to get drunk if I feel like it, gamble an incredible amount of money if I feel like it, cheat with some chick if the opportunity is presented, and so on. It's an exercise in personal responsibility, judicial self-awareness, and perseverance. The smoking may be ok with her - - for now. When someone is dealing with the other issues (drinking and gambling) I think it's ok to cut them some slack.

It's shitty to want them to fail. I'm hoping this works, and for a long, long time.

JLo's mom and Ben share a love of gambling.

Does he eat her pussy with technical excellence?