Trump Tops DeSantis

Ron DeS. needs to gain another 100 lbs. to win this sumo match. Eat around the banana, Ron, it's just empty vitamins!

I would love it if it was Trump again. Any Democrat could beat him, and definitely sleepy Joe.

R2 He could be dead for 20 years and still beat him.

Trump tops DeSantis doesn't shock me. DeSantis always appeared as a hungry power bottom.

[quote]Trump tops DeSantis

Ewwww... that just puts a HORRIBLE image in my mind.

Oh please oh please oh please pit DeSantis against Trump and watch them burn each other down. Agree, Trump will destroy DeSantis, and that is a good thing.

I love it when Republicans destroy Republicans, the way it should be.

Trump as GOP nominee would be such a gift to Democrats. Imagine the infighting, and the humiliations in defeat, and the standard bearers of the party like Susan Collins and Mitt Romney having to either grovel for the forgiveness of Trump and his minions or swallow their pride and support him for the third straight time. It would kill the Republican party faster than Covid kills an unvaxxed deplorable with COPD. Dems would retake the Senate and build on those gains while the GOP is lost in the post-Trump wilderness for a decade or more. It could spark a viable third party or a major realignment of the GOP, but Dems would be running circles around any opposition in the mean time which could be many years.

Seems like a big political miscalculation for someone who wants to be a national candidate.

Datalounge is in perpetual, unending primetime r8, so it may be a while before you see a response.

Ok, definitely OT, but per r8, how long has prime time been going on? My pet peeve is the BRF threads, and they’ve definitely lessened, but there are still 3-4 a day. I still see some trolls posting otherwise but they might just be sneaking in posts non-prime time. But I think the trolling has ebbed a bit, as has traffic in general.

[quote]I love it when Republicans destroy Republicans, the way it should be.

And we just had a small taste of this a few weeks ago, when the new Congress took 15 votes before they confirmed a Speaker of the House. That was nothing compared to what we will see at the Republican National Convention 18 months from now. Invest in "Pop Secret", "Act II", "Orville Redenbacher" and other microwave pop corn brands NOW !

[QUOTE] Oh please oh please oh please pit DeSantis against Trump and watch them burn each other down. Agree, Trump will destroy DeSantis, and that is a good thing.

I’m not sure DeSantis has the balls to run against him. He may sit this one out.

R12 DeSantis has a huge ego. Do you really think he will sit this one out ?

My initial thought was that he would pass on this, and feel better off letting Trump run and lose. Later more or less saying "I knew it! Told ya so!" My bet is that he's going to give it a pass at the last minute, which I believe would be this summer?

Trump has already said that if Guv Ron were to actually enter the race, he'd slice and dice him like a ginsu knife. The guy's a clinical narcissist, who'd go full throttle hardcore vicious on someone he saw as so much of a threat.

Good! Let these monsters destroy each other.

Hard for him to pass up, I’d think.

In politics you have to strike when you have the right hand. The political winds shift eventually. Hard for him to count on being attractive in 2028.

[QUOTE] DeSantis has a huge ego. Do you really think he will sit this one out ?

The wife might talk him out of it.

The GOP is waking up to the fact that Trump will get the 2024 nomination.

Worst porno title ever.

R17, she looks like she's as much of an attention-whore as he is.

Trump heavy favorite in another new poll:

[quote] Trump heavy

We know.

Lost me at Mark Penn (yuk!)

Jesus Christ that’s one of the ugliest pictures of Trump I’ve ever seen.

They'll run together.

Trump would never, ever run with someone he saw as a threat, R25.

[quote] Trump would never, ever run

Or walk either.

DeSantis calls for Ronna Romney McDaniel, Trump’s girl, to step down as head of RNC

R10, just grow a pair. It's a big world.

R5, I would love to see that!

Who are you r30? Kirk Cameron?

They are both horrible "human" beings with equally dreadful positions. I cannot say policy, as neither has any idea of what a policy is.

I need to know more about Mrs DeSantis. Is she cartoonishly evil like former Vairst Leddy?

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Oh shit, didn't even realize that was from the dreaded newspaper that must never be mentioned. Sorry. The point is, bitch wears a cape.

Lady DeSantis there looks like Anne Hathaway cast in a Kimberly Guilfoyle biopic.

It'd be nice if they destroyed each other.

There will not be any each other. It will just be Trump destroying DeSantis.

That muscle hunk DeSantis appears to be working out. He looks trimmer, stronger, sexier, and more muscular. He'll crush Trump.

[quote] That muscle hunk DeSantis appears to be working out. He looks trimmer, stronger, sexier, and more muscular.

Oh, honey... being stupid doesn't make you cute. You're not a high school cheerleader.

Are these the same pollsters that foresaw a 'red wave?'

This is, basically, where GOP is right now in terms of 2024 - wishful thinking.

Nikki Haley running actually helps Trump. She’s drawing support from DeSantis.

From R42, quoting ex-Congressman Peter Meijer:

[quote]“You have a lot of folks who are just wishing for [Trump’s] mortal demise,” Meijer told me. “I want to be clear: I’m not in that camp. But I’ve heard from a lot of people who will go onstage and put on the red hat, and then give me a call the next day and say, ‘I can’t wait until this guy dies.’ And it’s like, [italic]Good Lord.[/italic]”

You guys don’t think DeSantis would become his VP?

By the time Trump is done dragging him and his family through the mud, R45, they’ll be mortal enemies.

R3 Because it was such a runaway last time.

R40 But I am a cheerleader for that sexy slab of muscle, Big Ron. All 5'11" and 135 pounds of me!

Trump beating DeSantis by 15 points in new poll

many other polls show DeSantis pummeling Dump

we'll see

Fuck off, the unfuckable reject from Pittsburgh @R48.

I’m not familiar with this pollster from the Atlantic article. It is possible that both are true — it could depend on the polling methods themselves.

The only way Dems can win is with a candid that can take on Trump, that’s just a fact. We can’t go backward, we must move forward. No to Hillary (I voted for her), no to Joe, no to Kamala. Maybe Joe if he can string together a coherent sentence, though I’m not clear on if he’s a serious contender yet. The Dems need another Obama right now.

Trump destroys DeSantis in another new poll:

Look at 2020 ... the base loved Trump "demolishing" opponents debate-by-debate. Plenty of voters feel he should serve the second term he was wrongfully denied; the others should defer to him until '28.

I think he might be stupid enough to pick MTG as running mate.

Trump will crush Ron on the debate stage.

Trump retakes the lead from DeSantis in YouGov poll

Trump Could win in 24

donald will make hash out of DeRumpRoast.

R11: Adding to your list, old-fashioned "Jiffy Pop" stovetop popcorn is back!

Correction, r42 - the cowards are hoping Jack Smith takes the orange slob out FOR them but they refuse to help by turning over phone or email records.

They don’t have the BALLS to stand up to this fucking TRAITOR. Period.

[quote] Trump tops DeSantis doesn't shock me. DeSantis always appeared as a hungry power bottom.

Was it the white go-go boots? I had the same idea.

They’ll still nominate him even if he is indicted.

Why would he be indicted, R61?

Any number of things, r62. Haven't you been paying attention?

Close in Iowa

^Trump didn’t win the Iowa caucus in ‘16.

[quote] Trump Tops DeSantis

There's a mental image I didn't need.

Ron DeSantis: Favorable/Unfavorable 43.2 -- 39.0

Biden: Favorable/Unfavorable 41.0 -- 52.2

Kamala Harris: Favorable/Unfavorable 38.2 -- 51.4

Trump: Favorable/Unfavorable 37.7 -- 55.3

Who can win over Caitlyn, wins the nomination. Caitlyn plays golf and still pees in the bushes. Trump is deep into golf and enjoys watching pee pee girls.

Advantage Trump.

Once people get to see DeSantis outside his natural fascist gulag habitat, Trump will only widen the gap.

DeSantis has things people like but charisma ain’t one of them.

What about Miss Lindsay?

Questions and answers:

Trump couldn't top Frankie Grande.

Trump widens lead over Meatball Ron

Wouldn’t the best option be if Desantis wins the bid and Trump runs independently? Let them destroy each other through the whole election plus splitting the Republican/conservative vote like Perot did in ‘92!

Trump won’t run independently.

Trump will get the nomination and he will win in 2024.

Jesus, people never learn.

DeSantis makes Trump appear well-mannered and stable. Quite a feat!

[quote] Look at 2020 ... the base loved Trump "demolishing" opponents debate-by-debate.

Trump didn’t have a challenger, dear.

DeSantis beats all of them in the latest poll and that includes Biden and Harris. DeSantis is smart, which makes him more dangerous. Trump couldn’t even tell you the branches of the government. The majority of the GOP hates Trump. They’ve supported Trump because they thought he could win. They will vote for Ron. Ron will be the nominee and Biden will have to work big time in beating him. Hopefully Trump destroys Ron’s image with voters and maybe even runs as an independent.

Both have broad shoulders, big chests, muscular arms and flat abs...making a decision would be difficult

Typo, R79. I meant 2016, sorry.

OP, don’t make up lies about friends elsewhere there or there is a spouse you are to meet there later. You don’t have to tell lies to strangers or pretend to others you are being accompanied by relatives or friends. Have positive self-esteem. If this is a small town, there likely may be people attending you already know. Say “hi” if they pass you, and if someone gets nosy, say you are checking the carnival out, and explain nothing further unless you want to comment on the carnival itself, the weather, or whatever.

What the hell are you talking about, R83?

Sorry OP, thread jumped. Wrong thread. Embarrassing.

[quote]flat abs

Corsets are a marvelous invention, aren't they?

He probably meant "flat ass".

Will the Pro-Putin trolls saturating Twitter switch their support to DeSantis quickly if Trump falters? Probably so, since DeSantis has diminished his prior statements in support of Ukraine and moved more to the Trump stance.

Russian farm trolls are using very deceptive, common American-looking names, symbols, and language for their Twitter accounts.

It is not by chance.

Should really top a salad, things a mushroom!

I said a while ago that when this narcissist senses a threat, it's an all-out attack. If the entire 2016 field couldn't deal with him, falling like dominoes, why would Guv Ron do better? I suppose his wife might come to his rescue, but The Base might see that as wimpy. If

Remember when all of the republicans were partying and gathering at Trump's hotel in Washington?

[quote] Trump couldn't top Frankie Grande.

Well, in all fairness, even John Holmes would slip out of that prolapsed wreckage of an anus.

^prolapsed but so yummy

I hope it's Trump. In fact, I hope Trump continues to run for President every 4 years in the Republican primary, until he finally drops dead. Nothing would ensure the party's irrelevance faster or more completely.

Trump up over Meatball Ron by whopping 28 points in new Morning Consult poll, the lowest support for DeSantis since last December.

Rhonda peaked too soon. Trump has taken over.

Rhonda Sandtits thinks her brand of fascism brings all the MAGAts to the yard but Rotunda Ron has ZERO charisma.

If he's not the nominee, Narcissist Trump wants Biden to win. Far from Kumbayah unity, he'd do everything to sabotage the nominee.

Has Schlapp got himself some Rhonda?

"Trump Tops DeSantis"

DeSantis: Is it in yet?

Trump: I already finished. Now change my diaper! I just made boom-boom.

Yes, R97. Trump has to be king of all republicans, living or dead. Witness the implicit attacks on Reagan’s legacy.

What the fuck is "Reagan's legacy?" I swear this place is RepublicanLounge all the time now.

Interesting headline, OP...

R101: I think that means he's questioning Reagan's legacy to Republicans? It's not like the poster approves of the Reagan era himself.

Nimrata is gaining momentum! She may actually break the glass ceiling of 5%!

Has anyone ever told Trump he’s got a now? Pence and the Pelican 2024!

He has a gullet*. I couldn’t keep my excitement.

Based on the pro-Trumpers I know, they'll take DeSantis over Biden any day even though he's not their first choice.

That's only if Trump is not the Republican nominee.

[quote] They'll run together.

Strick with the BRF, Klan Granny. Anything else your sad ass heard on Gutfeld?

Latest Harvard-Harris poll

March 22-23, 2023, among 2,905 registered voters

19 -- TRUMP HAS INCREASED HIS STANDING AS FAVORITE IN A PROSPECTIVE GOP PRIMARY; DESANTIS IS SECOND FAVORITE AND GAINING GROUND IF TRUMP DOES NOT RUN

22 -- BIDEN HAS IMPROVED HIS LEAD AS TOP CHOICE FOR THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY. HARRIS LEADS IF BIDEN DOESN’T RUN BUT DEMS ARE LESS CERTAIN ABOUT A PREFERRED CANDIDATE

24 - TRUMP WINS A HYPOTHETICAL HORSERACE AGAINST BIDEN BY +4 POINTS AND AGAINST HARRIS BY +10 POINTS

25 -- DESANTIS IS A FAVORITE WINS IN A HEAD-TO-HEAD WITH BIDEN (+3) AND HARRIS (+8)

26 -- HALEY IS WITHIN RANGE OF BIDEN (-2) AND AHEAD OF HARRIS (+5) IN A PRESIDENTIAL HEAD-TO-HEAD

27 -- MAJORITIES SAY BIDEN SHOULD NOT RUN FOR A SECOND TERM, SAME FOR TRUMP

28 -- MOST VOTERS WOULD SUPPORT A MODERATE CANDIDATE OVER BIDEN AND TRUMP

31 -- MOST SAY THAT, IF INDICTED, TRUMP IS LIKELY TO BE ACQUITTED

MOST VOTERS THINK THE INDICTMENT IS POLITICALLY MOTIVATED

34 -- BUT A MAJORITY OF VOTERS THINK TRUMP’S CALLS FOR PROTESTS WERE IRRESPONSIBLE

DeSantis has shed a ton of weight since the new year, saying he's on a carb-free diet and not a result of taking ozempic.

Sure.

He must stink. People on zero carb get that horrible Atkins/Keto Stench. They smell like rotting meat.

R112, then he should be called Rancid Ron.

I haven't seen it (yet) but, apparently, DeSantis premiered what he thinks is the way humans laugh in an interview with Piers Morgan. I have to cut him some slack: he first needed to find a human skin that fits and then try to act the way he thinks humans act, which must be extremely difficult for him.

Who couldn't have seen this coming?

Meatball Ron having cold feet.

Trump doubles lead on Meatball Ron in new poll

[quote]Based on the pro-Trumpers I know, they'll take DeSantis over Biden any day even though he's not their first choice.

I agree but what if Trump the narcissist hates losing enough that he decides to run as an independent candidate? Enough of them would probably vote for him.

But regardless, Trump supporters still lost the last election so I'm mildly, midly hopeful.

R118 Trump is constantly making that claim about everyone - even people he's factually never met.

"Napoleon came to me BEGGING for advice on how to build an empire. It was pathetic, but I gave in, because I love what he's been doing over there!"

"Meryl Streep showed up at my hotel room, bleeding from her facelift and wearing a bathing suit that was frankly too tight. She swore she NEEDED ME and thrust herself on me. I didn't want to ruin the fine Italian silk sofa, so I sent her packing. She's never made a hit movie since then!"

"Carl Lewis sobbed into his iPhone back in 1984, swearing he'd do ANYTHING for me if I helped him win all those medals. But where is he today, folks? Is this the thanks I get for helping him be the first woman to walk on the Moon?"

The last one sounds more like Larry King. LOL

Quinnipiac 3/1 - 3/29

TREND: If the election for president were being held today, and the candidates were Joe Biden the Democrat and Ron DeSantis the Republican, for whom would you vote? (INCLUDES LEANERS

Biden 46 DeSantis 48

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Biden 48 Trump 46

TREND: Do you approve or disapprove of the way Joe Biden is handling his job as president?

Favorable 38 (Strongly Favorable 18)

Trump widens lead to 33 points over DeSantis

Post-indictment bump, for the first time in the history of US politics.

Trump is growing a neckpussy in OP's photo. All that money and you can't tighten things up?

“I don’t want to do anything that would cause Mr. Trump to lose any fan support for the 2024 election.”

Trump re-takes lead over Rhonda in WSJ poll.

Trump is going to continue to be ahead in the polls all the way until he’s not. I suppose the question of when is of interest to some.

Deathsantis getting desperate and lashing out.

Pud n’ Boots needs to up his game!

[bold]PHRASING[/bold] OP, Jesus.

His spouse seems like a younger Mother Pence.

De Santis's function in the big scheme is to push the window so far towards right-wing dictatorship that the slightly lesser authoritarianism of other Republicans will be normalized. Don't be fooled.

DeSantos is just a thoroughly unlikable character without an ounce of charisma.

Pudding N Meatballs can’t win over Lady Lindzebelle until Mango Mussolini falters. And where would P n M host Lady Lindzebelle anyway? He has no Mar-a-Lago.

Short of a severe health incident, the T. ain't dropping out in the next few months. If Guv Ron doesn't rule out 2024 soon, the Narcissist in Chief is going to kill him politically forever. He Does Not Want to see the FL Guv ever being prez if Biden is inaugurated in 2025. Threats are Not Tolerated!

Everything is so weird. The 25 percent of the population who would eat the shit right out of Trump's ass are the same people who have amassed stockpiles of weapons. What WOULDN'T they do?

[quote]Short of a severe health incident, the T. ain't dropping out in the next few months

What about the Georgia case or the classified documents case?

It wasn’t difficult to turn the tables, the only people left in the Republican Party are Dumpers. There are members on the periphery that know Dump can’t win a general election, and those are the ones pushing for DeSantis, but they’re in the minority.

Supporting Trump now and him getting his shit pushed in by Biden again means Trump is removed as a GOP candidate for good. Clean slate, no chance of a 2028 comeback. Which means smooth sailing for DeSantis or (whomever else on the right) at the 2028 change election.

[quote] him getting his shit pushed in by Biden again

What?

You're a bit on the older side, aren't you dear?

When Trump loses again, he's going to take the party down with him. Loyalty? HA! Instead of stolen, there'll be much shouting about betrayal, party didn't do enough for him, etc.

2028 is five years away, at the rate things are going Guv Ron could well be in danger of not carrying FL soon, let alone swing states; moreover, big donors dislike what The Base loves in his fundie pandering.

The Harvard-Harris poll released Thursday shows that 45 percent of registered voters back Trump versus 40 percent who back Biden. Another 15 percent of voters are undecided. Trump slightly expanded his lead compared to last month’s Harvard Harris poll, which found him leading Biden at 45 percent to 41 percent respectively

2024 Presidential Election Poll

(R) Trump: 45% (+5) (D) Biden: 40%

(R) Trump: 48% (+10) (D) Harris: 38%.

(R) DeSantis: 43% (+3) (D) Biden: 40%

(R) DeSantis: 43% (+2) (D) Harris: 41%

DeSantis will end up being Trump's running mate.

What shocks me is that Republicans, after Jan 6th, after Fox News admitting they lied, after the countless criminal charges against Trump, still want to vote for him.

People vote for whom they judge to be the lesser of two evils.

[quote]What shocks me is that Republicans, after Jan 6th, after Fox News admitting they lied, after the countless criminal charges against Trump, still want to vote for him.

Those things are pluses for the Republican base. Current Republicans are not decent-but-misguided people. Sedition, lying, and criminality are central goals for them.

I doubt that, R146. He dislikes DeS, seeing him as a threat.

Trump and DeSantis are from the same state. They can’t run together.

^^Not this shit again.

Yes, r151, they can.

r148 Trump is the lesser of two evils between Biden and Trump?? I mean were they around for 2016-2020?

R149, preach some more.

These mother fuckers WANT to be lied to. Why? Because they’re just that fucking stupid. There is just not a nice way to say it, there is no polite way to say it — they’re so fucking stupid that they desire lies. This is what we get for not erasing Confederate leaders, and that is no bullshit. We allowed this thinking to not only stay alive, but to thrive! You want out of the United States, you want to secede? Then GTFOH if America is just soooooooo awful.

Trump is running again, oh yes he is. And just like last time, he might win again!!!! So get off your fucking device and start volunteering immediately. Research has shown that the most effective way to change voters minds is by peer-to-peer conversations, not political ads on sm or cable tv. It comes when real life people simply talk to other people.

We need to make sure black turnout is higher because it was low in midterms, and they are our base, black people need to hear more talk about restorative justice and keeping violent crime low. We need to make sure women are reminded every day that abortion is fucking gone, and they were lied to that it would not be touched. We need to show gay people all of the legislation being passed and let them know that marriage equality IS at risk, much less other forms of hatred and discrimination. We need to prove to Gen Z that their votes matter. We need to show independents that they are banning books across this country, raising taxes, and trying to eliminate access to healthcare and social fucking security.

If cheating and propaganda weren’t on table, 2024 would be the Dems race to lose. But we are still in uncharted waters where propaganda will be stronger than 2016!! We are in serious shit, all gays need to reclaim their voices and get out there into the community. We have a history of grassroots activism, we need to reignite.

I believe they can run together, but if Trump won the state, the FL electors could not vote for both him and Guv Ron.

Dump would never pick DeSantis. There’s a reason he picked walking puff cloud Pence.

Trump has to decide between Kari Lake or MTG as the VP running mate. The message is he’ll pick a female.

Marsha Blackburn, kristi Noem, and Miss Lindsey, round out DJT’s top five.

I cannot even imagine the slobbering that would occur if Miss Lindsay were picked. It might just drown the earth.

[quote] If cheating and propaganda weren’t on table,

I think it's time for the Democrats to start cheating and playing down and dirty. In my state, for instance, the Democrats hold a super-majority in the state legislature, and they should be pettier and doing more to knee-cap the Repubs for good.

Democrats are far, far, FAR too nice to Republicans. And it's one-sided and not reciprocated.

[quote]I think it's time for the Democrats to start cheating and playing down and dirty.

You’re talking about doing some things on par with creating the Steele dossier, but at the state level?

R160, more along the line of gerrymandering the fuck out of the state to the point where it's all blue, blocking conservatives from expensive, pointless "recall elections," and just in general, making life hell and unpleasant for conservatives. :)

R159 my theory is that the Dems don’t push too hard because if they go Donkey Kong on the GOP and attempt a corruption enema, it will make everything come out from both parties. Dems have corruption too (but no comparison to the actually evil GOP) in regards to owning stocks in companies that they are writing “beneficial” legislation, engage in insider trading, corrupt real estate deals, fraud, etc. Both parties have found the loopholes in multiple areas of laws, ethics codes, tax codes, and regulations. And they are all making money off of our pain. I’m not a troll, I am a progressive, I vote Dem and am deeply grateful to Biden.

Just today I read that the prick TX judge who stopped the abortion pills submitted his full financial disclosure to the Judicial Ethics Committee (I think that’s the name) and in it, his personal wealth is $5 - 20mil, 85% of his wealth is tied to a single business — and he redacted the name out of the disclosure form 85 times or something. And they *let* him do that, and now he’s overriding the fucking FDA. He’s a Trump appointment (obviously) and I don’t have all details, but corruption all through our government, at all levels, in all three branches is top of mind for me. They all reek with the stench of corruption, put pressure on your Congress Persons to turn up the pressure even more on the GOP. They need to acknowledge that we are in a Cold War against a third of our nation.

[quote] more along the line of gerrymandering the fuck out of the state to the point where it's all blue, blocking conservatives from expensive, pointless "recall elections," and just in general, making life hell and unpleasant for conservatives. :)

I would say Illinois does a good job of that sort of thing, although the big problem is that they have made life unpleasant for everyone, instead of just people of the other party. They need to find a way of making their policies not make life unpleasant for everyone.

My God, they look like Neanderthal brothers. Gross.

LadyG, give Kevin some room!

𝐍𝐁𝐂 𝐏𝐨𝐥𝐥

70 percent of Americans do not want Biden to run for a second term, compared to only 26 percent who do.

Among those who don’t want the 80-year-old president to pursue a second term, 69 percent cite age as a reason why, with 48 percent calling it a “major” reason.

The NBC poll shows 41 percent of Americans plan to vote for Biden in 2024, compared to 47 percent who say they will back the Republican nominee.

38 percent have a positive view of Joe Biden, compared to 48 percent who have a negative view.

34 percent of Americans hold a positive view of Donald Trump

Substantial majorities of all Americans don’t want Trump or Biden

Trump is still king … of what, though? The shit pile?

And yet Trump still bests Ron De Santis. So what does that tell you?

Americans don’t want Joe Biden, Donald Trump or Ron Desantis.

The sad thing is if Michelle Obama ran, it would be a slam dunk, but she won’t. So we are stuck with Pete and Kamala as next tier.

[QUOTE] Trump is still king … of what, though? The shit pile?

There’s money in shit, R167. The man has raked in hundreds of millions of dollars from these red hat monkeys. He doesn’t even have to pay for his legal expenses out of pocket—it’s all coming from their donations.

Michelle Obama as president seems to be a white liberal fantasy. The average voter is not that excited by her.

No way on Kamala or Pete, we need them where they are. We have a bench of talent in our governors *right now*. Whitmer and Beshear could win. Klobuchar’s message matches Biden’s winning message too. Biden’s message wins, it’s just that most don’t want him as the messenger. Any of these three could run and win. Also, Tim Ryan and the WI Dem leader (his name escapes me) should be running strategy along with Abrams. We have the talent, we just need them in the right positions. And they MUST be under 60!!!!!!!! I need to think outside the box of POC candidates at this level. It’s shocking we have no black governors, is that accurate? A winning ticket does need a person of color, but no more wasting time discussing Michelle, she understandably doesn’t want it. I would *love* to see Ted Lieu on a national ticket. My biggest crush is Hakeem, but again, he’s right where we need him right now. I would love to see a progressive in a cabinet position, maybe Ro Khanna. We should be able to safely pluck some talent from CA for other federal positions because we are safe there. But to run for WH, the message has to be carefully crafted. Tim Ryan gets it.

[quote]70 percent of Americans do not want Biden to run for a second term, compared to only 26 percent who do. Among those who don’t want the 80-year-old president to pursue a second term, 69 percent cite age as a reason why, with 48 percent calling it a “major” reason. The NBC poll shows 41 percent of Americans plan to vote for Biden in 2024

It's crazy how on both sides the polling shows that some percentage of people don't want Biden or Trump to run but they will vote for them anyway. If you don't want them to run, stop telling pollsters you are going to vote for them.

I'm sorry, but people don't know what the hell they want. The polls at this point represent how much somebody spent for eggs this morning or the podcast they just listened to.

DeSantis gets his inspiration from watching cartoons, but not the Disney ones.

[r171]

Your biggest crush Hakeem Jeffries is cozy with the Nazi collecting right winger that has a special relationship with Clarence Thomas.

Tim Ryan couldn’t win in Ohio. And he lost to a Trumper. The same scenario would play out on the national stage.

This country won’t be voting for a woman for president for quite a while. That isn’t misogynistic to say. It’s factual. I want a woman as our president. Maybe Michelle Obama could do it buts it laughable to suggest Amy or Whitmer could win on the national stage. This country hates women in power. There is a reason why in 250 years there hasn’t been a female President. It’s also why there has only been one non-white president.

Also, you can’t “safely” pluck anyone from anywhere. New York State was always “safe and reliable” but it went right wing and cost the Democrats the house in 2022. If blue New York hadn’t fucked up so spectacularly, then your crush Hakeem would have been speaker and MTG wouldnt be on committee assignments.

California could easily do the same if enough small districts flip.

Trump campaign running laps around DeSantis’ operation

Trump has 45% registered voter approval? That makes no sense.

Anyone still considering voting for Trump hates America.

Both Trump and Desantis lead Biden in a hypothetical presidential matchup.

Yes, R178, this will be a much tougher election for President Biden, regardless who gets the GOP nomination.

It's on Dems to point out that an R president would be faced with the same set of challenges.

R178 That's not what I'm seeing - Biden leads in about half the polls and the polls are all so close, well within the margin of error. (Also I prefer 538 who are more objective - Realclearpolitics is a Republican site and they have a bias - cherry picking polls.) Also, you haven't mentioned how other potential Dem candidates like Buttigieg, Harris poll significantly worse than Biden in a hypothetical match ups with Trump and DeSantis.

But regardless it's really the swing states that you have to watch. And I think the signs from the midterms (where you would expect a sitting party to do badly) are promising in those states.

The electoral vote system makes the national popular vote questionnaire relatively meaningless. It's all about a few swing states, that aren't as conservative on social issues as red ones where Biden is completely hated.

Trump doubles lead over Rhonda in new Quinnipac poll

Desantis = neocon.

And who would want to top Sesantis

I'd have to know who Sesantis is to answer that.

He doesn't understand that the Republican base is enamored of Trump. It's their opinion, not mine so don't shoot the messenger, that he was cheated in the last election so deserves another chance this time.

Bring on a debate. I would think Trump would be scared and say he doesn't need to debate since his polls are so high.

[quote] Bring on a debate. I would think Trump would be scared and say he doesn't need to debate since his polls are so high.

If the RNC's rule is that all debaters have to pledge support for the eventual nominee, Trump can get out of debates. I think that's his preference.

This pledge assumes Trump's "word" is worth anything ...

[bold]PHRASING[/bold], Jesus Christ.

You sure you didn’t mean “Phariseeing”, r191?

That too, R192.

In his newsletter today, Mark Halperin analogizes the race to a football game, observing that Trump is 28 points ahead in the first quarter.

Neither one will be POTUS. The Deplorables are going to fuck around and get MTG, Ted Cruz or Crisp Crispie. And no Obama economy to coast on- and take credit for- this time.

People have to understand Ron’s 1950s social mores doesn’t play well to republicans in northeastern states or California which they include in these polls. It’s screams overprotected government and absurdity this day in age. It may play well in the South and hillbillies of North Florida but Repubs even staunch I hate Dems don’t like this shit, especially the ones under 40.

R196 Your bigotry is the worst in stereotyping.. Those northeast MAGAs that have retired south, or moved south otherwise, are part of the problem.

R196, while that's all true, most of them would still rather literally die than vote for a Democrat. They'll see him the way most liberals see Biden: far from the ideal candidate, but still leagues better than the other guy.

Trump is an empty brand. The people who voted for him in 2016 expected him to achieve nothing because he was ignorant of government. The more he knows about the job, the less likely anyone is to trust him with it. Republican "polls" are as fake as the surveys showing gays only 3% of the population, never mind that the gay pride parade is the biggest parade in almost every city in the country.

Trump did as well as he did in 2020 because Biden was a terrible candidate with terrible press. But the hysterical predictions of the right have failed to materialize.

Team Trump happy to have more candidates in the race, because they’re splitting the anti-Trump vote. They want 2016 all over again.

r186 You knew who I meant you just have a very big cunt.

[quote] Team Trump happy to have more candidates in the race, because they’re splitting the anti-Trump vote. They want 2016 all over again.

Especially in republican primaries where, due to Trump's greater control of the party apparatus, there are even more winner-take-all contests than there were in '16.

Both racist, homophobic, transphobic, xenophobic, sexist, everything phobic pieces of shit.

R5 You wanna bet the two have buttfucked each other a few times? I'd be willing to bet.

“Trump tops DeSantis”

So, he’s dead, right? Crushed to death?

Rhonda is more the scissoring type.

So sad for the scissor sister, but it seems 2/3 of Republicans polled prefer to give the previous candidate another chance.