Heartstopper

I’m fine with 3 if they get rid of all of Alice’s big asexual plans and mostly focus on Nick and Charlie.

I'd be up for three and a movie. I feel like some sort of heartwarming and funny Christmas movie would work really well with Heartstopper.

Three and a movie, the movie can be a Nick and Charlie novella adaptation with a flash forward at the end.

3 because I want these kids FREE.

3 and done quickly. S2 this spring/summer. Film S3 this fall. Release it spring/summer 2024. The end

In Agatha news...

This guy is really reliable, but this article is pure speculation. I still can't see Miles Gutierrez-Riley as Hulkling. He's shorter than Joe. How will he pick him up.

R6 is he shorter? Honestly have never seen him act

R7 I'd need to see them side by side since celebs always lie about how tall they are. But he hasn't acted in much. He doesn't give me enough himbo energy, though he can work out. Actually Kit's not that much taller than Joe either. Plus Joe has a way of not standing up straight that makes him look smaller.

Inb4 twitter people freak out about Joe's love interest being a 24 year old

R6 He doesn’t match what were essentially the only 2 requirements the casting notice had: The age range and the athletic build. People are setting themselves up for disappointment.

R9 Also being 18-20

I still say he's more likely to be a friend. Or actually Wiccan can have an ex boyfriend before Teddy comes around.

You expect me to believe that this bobbleheaded twink is going to play iconic himbo Hulkling?

Being frank I’d be surprised if they made a black Hulkling. It would be funny because HStwitter wouldn’t be able to whine about wanting Kit in the role without being called racist, but Marvel casting a gay couple is already “big” for them. Race swapping seems unlikely. He’d be a good ex or crush or something. Will Mason’s head explode when he and Bash start following one another

He added a follow up tweet. He is so nice

R11 what if this person ended up being Wiccan 💀

R14 even more unlikely, while they’re going reincarnation his parents are two white people and he looks nothing like them or the younger kid

R14 My completely unsubstantiated guess is that he auditioned for Wiccan, didn’t get it, but Marvel liked him so they offered him a smaller part.

He's not R14. Joe's the lead and Billy's parents are white (with confirmed casting asking and they asked for white jewish people) and he's biologically theirs

There was another actress announced at the same time, can't remember her name, but, the fact they were announced together, and age wise they could be mother and son?

R18

The actresses name is Okwui Okpokwasili. Who knows honestly maybe

That actress is a dancer. There was a casting for a villain role for someone who had a dancing background. I think it's likely her.

Actually Miles would be a good Eidolon, who was Wiccan's fake boyfriend. Agatha cast a spell after she manipulated Billy's powers to alter reality. He was more of a twink than Billy was. Anyway, the whole cast hasn't been announced, like Billy's dad. So there's still hope for another Teddy

New big 4

I genuinely fear for Kit the day he does anything “cancellable”. It’s truly funny that not dumping his boyfriend makes Joe more problematic than Will gushing over Johnny Depp

R21 It's so hilarious Kit's in the middle there with his mayo self.

And yes, I fear for what they'll do when/if Kit disappoints them

R23 This is Kizzy erasure, they're mayo as fuck too.

Is mayo the new boy butter?

Kizzy got some edge at least. Kit is the whitest person I've ever seen. Look at his cute little haircut

R23

Its so stupid. Fans don’t personally know celebrities, we don’t know their true personality/values from what they choose ti share with us. People are setting themselves up for disappointment and it will be laughable to see what their reaction will be if/when kit messes up. No one is perfect and at some point everyone fucks up.

R22

The general hs twitter fans don’t gaf about Will. They are fine letting him be and will only bring him out when it fits their purpose. The JD comment proves it, how many of the ones that are so outraged at the moment have “forgotten”

Someone call Joe, he needs to end his 2 year relationship and pop Bash on the next flight home because a 15 year old girl on twitter thinks so. I mean Christ knows how he sleeps at night.

[quote]Christ knows how he sleeps at night.

With Bash's dick pressed in his crack.

Wasn't kit used to follow questionable people on twitter? Or was it someone else. This 'unproblematic king' image is going to break someday. It's inevitable.

He did but then unfollowed and actually explained why he was following and admitted he made a mistake for not researching more, which really made them happy

I can't get over them being mad Joe is supporting his boyfriend of two years

R31 that tweet from him was the most blatant lie of all time. Good for him, incredibly smart to avoid the Twitter mob, but he actually had them believing he followed two YouTubers (I think called out for misogyny) for over 2 years because they made a video during BLM. The fact the fanbase believed that for a second shows how stupid they are but again very smart of him to do.

R29 Joe’s getting dicked down nightly, he does not care if 15 year olds identifying as flower/moon want him to break up

....so basically what Bash has just done?

Yeah if it was bash and/or Joe it would be more like you had 2 years to unfollow that person..you are saying you haven't seen anything till now.

R31

They want Joe to denounce him publicly and call for his head. Like be for real people, of course he is not going to say anything about someone that he is in a relationship with. I just hope that he doesn’t say/do anything about it because if they are already starting to try and bring him into this, imagine if he responded

That was supposed to be a reply to R31

R32 I appreciate his slickness and lying to their faces honestly. Good for him.

[quote] of course he is not going to say anything about someone that he is in a relationship with.

of course he is not going to say anything that is just fucking stupid..

R37 same it was genuinely hilarious. The only downside is that the rest of the cast are now held to these insane standards. Bash should’ve come out as non-binary and joe should’ve said he has a mild seizure disorder leading to his accidental tweet like. Gotta out woke the mob to survive

R32 When you're following a little under a thousand people on a social media platform, it's completely believable that you started following someone for a specific post or video and don't see some subsequent problematic posts after. Not sure what part of that was unbelievable, especially since it was some random and not someone well-known for their misogyny like Andrew Tate. I follow way less than 900 people and don't keep track of all of their posts and opinions.

[quote]I follow way less than 900 people

Does you room have a window?

R35 By not doing anything he's already not done enough if that makes any sense. And they pretty much all know he made PinkNews unfollow him via block or otherwise (apparently everyone is a YUGE PinkNews fan), taking that as a sign of his real feelings which they hate. More sympathetic fans who hate Bash think Joe's being used and the rest just hate Joe

Oh well I'm sure Bash's giant dick and Joe's thriving career will help him sleep at night

R32 they made a few BLM video and many many others after that. I also follow a few hundred people and there’s no way I’ve gone 2 years without seeing one of their posts. It’s possible that’s the reason, to be fair, but much more likely he enjoyed their humour. I think they were “problematic” in a comedian sense, not like a Jordan Peterson rants sense so I wouldn’t fault him as a teen boy for liking their humour. As I said though either way I’m not calling him out for lying if that’s what happened, it was smart as hell

I believe Kit was knowingly following a misogynist as much as I believe Bash is transphobic for working on a Harry Potter game.

[quote]Oh well I'm sure Bash's giant dick and Joe's thriving career will help him sleep at night

Personally, I sleep like a baby!

R44 I should clarify: as far as I know they were misogynists in the HStwt sense, meaning mildly edgy comedians.

The Twitter mob would have hunted down likes on problematic videos of theirs the way they hunted down Bash's likes on the Johnny Depp post. I really think it wasn't that deep.

The guy Joe got in trouble for replying to made some very mild lesbian jokes. They weren't actually hateful or anything. I take shit with a grain of salt when people say they are problematic

[quote]I take shit with a grain of salt

Pics please.

Joe and Bash seen today, probably buying some more Moscato at Target

Surprising no one, Pink News hasn’t bothered to update their article re bash or write a new one. Height of journalistic integrity; shame our anti free press tyrant Joe blocked them

Babes wake up, new Kit scandal just dropped. Apparently His Dark Materials author is racist against Muslims

R52 source? While normally the hypocrisy and insanity of how much worse they treat bash than kit is sucks (they” being specifically the fandom, kit gets a load of shit outside the fandom) I pray to god they leave him alone. This would be dumb even for them to cancel him over

R50 they are so fucking domestic

R53 It's not a big deal, jut something people are whining about saying nobody cared about Kit working on that. I don't get why fans try to get other cast members in trouble with whataboutism. Just tell the person starting it to fuck off in general

And Philip Pullman seems to equally hate all religion

R55 I think fans of bash and especially joe get upset that they catch heat constantly over nothing and kit doesn’t / is upheld as perfect. Which yeah sucks but… is not Kit’s fault? Trying to get him cancelled isn’t productive

R52 The Kate Clanchy comments or something else? Because those comments were made in 2021 and Kit’s been working on HDM since at least 2019.

They are literally trying to cancel Joe for a hypothetical situation they made up in their mind. If Joe would be here he would like bash's apology. He is not on twitter anymore leave him alone. And shocker its mostly kit stans.

Are people going to cycle through accusations that don't make sense until something sticks onto Kit? Because implicating him over comments that Pullman made years after he started on His Dark Materials is almost as dumb as the people who keep bringing up the character change in the Cuban Girl's Guide adaptation.

R50 Why can't the stalkers be more useful and ask them where they saw Joe and Bash instead of fighting teenagers on Twitter?

I searched Kit’s name and can’t find anything other than people complaining that they want him to play Hulkling.

People really should not have gotten their hopes for for Hulkling. Yes, Kit would have been great but it was very unlikely and Teddy's a very basic guy. Anyone can play him.

I say that questioning how the fuck that twink is possibly Hulkling though. So maybe not anyone.

R62

Thats still a bit of a head scratcher for me. With Joe’s casting its pretty obvious (90% to me) sure that he is going to be Wiccan, especially with the casting call for the parents and that he is playing the male lead. As for Miles, maybe i need more info/leaks.

Anyone know who the guy is? Right now I’m assuming he worked on the show. He’s hanging out with Kizzy and Bel, and on Instagram he’s followed by both of them and Tobie, Kit, Brad, and Ash.

All I can find is he's an actor. Maybe he's some extra?

Well, not everyone is outright cancelling Joe for not dumping bash. Some are just saying he’s in an abusive relationship. Fucking weirdos

unhinged CC's are my addiction. There's another phiii03 with a long ass diatribe about how Joe goes out of his way to defend Bash but Bash never does the same for him and Joe is going to ruin his career because he blocked PinkNews and a random fan.

And those are Bash haters who still like Joe, so Bash is abusive.

Joe looking tired because he's getting railed every night and drinking too much wine in their cute apartment

Mason Deaver and FantasyBliss/JoeBashCandies are going back and forth now on Twitter. I feel like everyone has lost the plot.

R68 Two psychos. I can't believe Joe has to possibly kiss with the guy who is working with that guy's project. Miles come get your man

R66 Joe's looking tired because he's been working full-time non-stop for months and has traveled across the world multiple times to do so. Like...

R69 my typing is fucking awful

Joe has to possibly kiss the guy who is working on that guy's project.

Jesus

R68 The very least Deaver could do after shit-stirring is to run her off Twitter.

R66 Joe currently listening to this

I see your Britney and raise you Gaga.

Joe is queuing up the HP movies and buying tickets to wizarding world Orlando out of spite rn. He’s feisty. I like they think the screwed party in the Joe/pink news situation is Joe. That article was fairly big for them and they still didn’t push it again the day or two after they published it, presumably as Joe blocked them and they freaked out a little. He was one of the only celebrities who paid any attention to them and now they’ve lost their in to the lead of HS and first major gay superhero. Morons

R75 In the battle of Joe and Pink News Joe definitely holds all the cards. And it’s been said before doesn’t seem the type to forgive and forget

R76

Yeah he doesn’t seem like the forgive and forget person. HS S2 Promo and Agatha should be interesting

Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t remember Pink News being one of the outlets that the cast ever gave interviews or photoshoots to anyway since they don’t have a publication. I think that, regardless of what happened, they weren’t going to get anything for season 2 and the cast’ll just make the rounds to Attitude and Gay Times again.

PinkNews is the moronic account that tweeted something about HS and then had to delete it, that's all I know. And Joe and Bash met they CEO. Do they even do interviews? They seem like a shittier buzzfeed. Just an aggregator with dumb headlines and rewritten articles.

Though I'd guess they'd like the HS cast to pay attention to them. And I'm assuming they might get something if they asked for it to promote S2

R78 it was more engagement - when the CEO met Joe and bash over the summer he said he thanked Joe for rt their articles as it gave them a huge boost; the image Bash posted on IG this summer re Joe’s blood ban news with the caption “real change. real proud.” Was from pink news, etc. i don’t think the whole cast will hold a grudge but Joe, bash, and kit will not be engaging more and those are the biggest draws from the cast, even with Joe and Kits twitters deleted

R68 the fact that he both wants to present himself as a famous author and authoritative voice and is also reading tweets teenagers send in about her shipping Joe and bash to be smug Is truly hilarious. I will say though this undercuts that Alice is much more than an industry friend to him; she illustrated his cover but they’re clearly not tight if he doesn’t realize Joe and bash are in fact dating. Funny how clearly he’s pandering to the HS fanbase to get them to buy his book

I hope that Alice isn't going around talking about Joe and Bash's relationship with her friends regardless of how close they may be...

R78 True but the CEO had met them before and they seemed to develop a bit of a rapport with the online fans for supporting the cast and show. It gave them much more engagement than usual. They made a pretty cynical call going for Bash like that and I hope and genuinely believe it will come back to bite them badly. I have been aware of them for some years and they have always been a bit tabloid but the stupidity of choosing a transient, unhinged and ultimately very small online fanbase for a brief boost in engagement on an article over the goodwill of Joe, Bash and almost certainly Kit as well is quite something.

It was nasty and uncalled for and I hope the miscalculation is keeping them awake at night

R78 it’s especially weird as the CEO follows not only Bash and Joe but also Bash’s mum on Instagram… very bizarre

Did Joe and Bash follow him? I swear they did, but I must have looked wrong since Joe's following didn't change so he must never have

R85 I think Joe did on Twitter

R84 He met them at that festival when they were with Doulla as well. She gives a Mama Bear energy if they meet again I hope she slaps his face

Connor was there too and he didn't follow him. Poor Connor. No longer a cute twink

You can accuse Joe and bash of s lot - mild codependence, clinginess, being horny on main, awkward side hugs at events - but possessive is not one of them. Bash was smiling like an idiot watching the Nick and Charlie kiss at the emmys and has liked tweets about how good the chemistry was, he is the least jealous person

R89 I think that's a bit different since they know it's not real and Kit's their good friend. It's also kinda a testament to Joe's acting

I think they can probably both get a bit jealous, it's natural

[quote] awkward side hugs

I love those. They'll forever do them and then go make out back stage

R90 fair I guess I should say “not possessive”. I really don’t think bash is with Joe in Atlanta because he’s scared he’ll find another man, I’ll put it that way.

R67 I finally read it and then looked at their pronouns and genuinely burst out laughing. I suppose after reading these dramatic ass ccs and another one about how bash’s job @threatened their life” I presumed they were actually trans. Especially given they were direly warning Joe’s career might go poorly for hurting people like them. …their pronouns are “they/cloud/phobia/fae”. They should switch them to “I/need/a/psychiatrist” at this point. But no, 0 studios or jobs will say “oh this psycho cancelled them? Clouds are s huge part of our demographic so can’t hire Joe”, be serious.

The irony of that last sentence about not liking someone

R93 I think my fav holier than thou thinf that happens is when people stick up for one of the cast and they accuse them of being parasocial for people who “you don’t even know” - as if anyone knows these Twitter randos. I can promise you I don’t because I would distinctly remember if anyone ever identified as star or cat or corpse irl. A celebrity who’s given to charity, I think is cute with his bf, and who hasn’t done anything wrong I will always prefer over some weirdo who needs psychiatric care and to get off twt

I think neopronouns are as dumb as the next person, but this thread is starting to give off serious Ben Shapiro, only-one-joke right-wing energy with how much people are harping on about them. These teenagers are twerps, we get that. I also hope the Curious Cat thing isn't going to turn into a permanent fixture here because I'm already over reading the ramblings of maladjusted tweens.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

R95 yeah I’ve made I think a few (not all) of those jokes and you’re probably right to be fair, it’s getting tired. I think the primary reason it pissed me off is while I thought there was no benefit of the doubt given to bash generally I actually understood why trans men and women were upset. JKR is actively targeting them, especially the latter, and this casting was probably jarring and hurt if they liked him. I feel like the neopronouns crowd is high jacking that actually valid upset to be dicks, which is what annoyed me, but it’s fair that I prob came off a little right wing going on about them so I’ll stop

I feel myself becoming more conservative looking at people call themselves those names. I'll try to stop as well. Send help.

R97 That's my main issue. They are hijacking something actually important. It's stupid and makes people not take trans folks seriously.

I consider myself very left leaning but I just can't take neopronouns like 'pup' or 'phobia' seriously. It just seems like a quirky nickname rather than actually any sort of gender or pronoun. But maybe I'm just ignorant. Having said that, you're very unlikely to find someone in their thirties identifying as 'fairy' or similar.

Rhea unfollowed Pink News, I took a screenshot yesterday of who followed them from the cast, and she's now missing. Interesting. Maybe their group chat wasn't too impressed with that article either.

Bash is too nice not to unfollow since my ass would have.

Maybe he can do a subtle unfollow in a few weeks

R101 he’d be smart to do another mini IG cleanse in a few weeks and just toss them out as one of 100 accounts he unfollows. I’ve wondered before if his dramatic clearouts are actually covering him unfollowing a few specific accounts without making it a drama since he ends up refollowing w lot of the accounts he cuts

And you know PinkNews went too far when DM had a better article than they did. No other publication, queer or not, was so blatantly trashy about it either

[quote]since my ass would have

Pics please.

Cancelled once and for all!

In other unrelated news I didn’t realize Kizzy was in that new Lockwood show. Wonder how big his role is

I don't think it's Joe and Bash that have ruined the fandom sweetheart.

It seems like they can't separate Joe and bash because what did Joe do again ? To receive this level of cancellation?

It's like that bicycle fall meme come to life to blame Joe and Bash

R107 He defended Bash when he liked a tweet and hasn't publicly spoke out against him. And they are fucking which is obviously the actual problem

I'm sure Joe will be crying walking onto the marvel set full of legends on Tuesday, because "gaohardy" on twitter says he's a bad person.

Anyway, speaking of Marvel some fans had the idea that the new guy hired could be the bullied friend of Billy's. He defends him and manifested his powers for the first time.

R110 that would make more sense to me - as someone said in I think this thread he looks more like someone they would audition for wiccan and then move to a smaller or side part. Cynically as well, Marvel tends to like to make the diverse / race switched characters more minor roles like the best friend, not the canonically white love interest. MJ in the latest Spider-Man is an exception but Zendaya was a p big teen name for them to get for it anyway, and I don’t think they’ll “push” the same boundaries with the first main gay couple. I could be wrong and cool if so

R107 Their problem is and has always been Joe and Bash in a relationship. For the minor hate he may have got for playing a villain none of this repeated cancellation would have happened and Joe would never have been targeted with him if the wrong two boys hadn’t fallen in love. It is that simple and that sad a toxic blend of homophobia and the inability to accept the real world is not part of their internal fantasy.

They strike me as people used to getting their own way with those in their real life through emotional manipulation and bullying and when using those tactics to get Bash to leave Joe and the show didn’t work they have simply gone nuclear

Kit has been quiet recently, as has Maia, wonder if they're having another visit, normally she posts a fair bit

Let's hope. Kit needs to do something to spice up the drama a bit.

If Kit really is in New York he's with Will and not Maia, Maia's still in Buenos Aires. Seemingly without Kit, I think fans of hers would recognize him.

Kit is at the JW Anderson show in Milan

Obviously he looks hot, but not sure why they feel the need to always make his pictures look like that

That'll distract the masses though

Knew it r117!

Doesn't seem likely he was in New York then, unless he flew to Milan recently. Good photo, although he looks younger than normal? Might just be a filter or something.

He looks hot, but given that this is JW Anderson we should start placing bets on what part of the outfit might to be awful. His pants are going to wind up having cheese graters on them or something.

Finally a good JW Anderson outfit. He looks great.

R120 his hairstylist who posted this sticks the fakest filters on his pics for no reason. He’s a good looking guy there’s no nedd

Thank you for manifesting a subject change, R119.

And I don't think Kit and Maia are anything serious or even all that causal at this point. Probably not worth bothering wondering what she's doing since Kit most likely won't be with her.

And it's just filters as usual

R121

yeah, I’m waiting for the wacky part of the outfit. It’s JW Anderson. I know it’s there.

Kit on Deux Moi again, I wonder if he went and saw Paul twice? What a stan.

Forgive my ignorance, but are these the sort of events that Kit/other actors will request to go to? Or is it more a promotional requirement?

R127 It’s a promotional requirement if they have a brand deal. For someone like Kit, they’re invited with no obligation to attend.

Paul just got dumped. Shoot your shot Kit

And I don't think Kit was ever in NY.

They can put a bloody clown filter on for all I care, at least it's a distraction for the idiots on twitter

R126 Ha, I'm more convinced over time that Paul was his bi awakening. So many people went crazy for him in Normal People, and the show obviously means a lot to Kit.

R130

yeah, it’s already a distraction, instead of harping on bashing Joe and bash, they’re like re-posting that Kit photo and freaking out

Ha, the difference is quite dramatic. His face looks a lot more angular in the beardless photo.

R133 Well he's filtered all to hell in one of them

It’s the angle as well.

Full look.

JW Anderson giving a normal outfit? Never thought I’d see it. He looks great

Here are the pictures without the watermark.

Luca Guadagnino is there, Kit better network.

Hi designer is a thief

The show had people walking just holding pillows, why couldn’t Kit have been styled with that?

He was sat next to Charli XCX.

Talking to WWD.

The gum must be an anxiety thing, unless he's giving up smoking maybe, it's really annoying though.

Definitely anxiety - it always seems to pop up at big events with lots of people. He seems more at ease (but probably still nervous) in quieter one to one type interviews.

R145 he and Joe really came up with that “our little show” like and just trade off who uses it nonstop

The gum only pops up in situations that would be high anxiety for an introvert so it's definitely an anxiety thing. Better he chew gum than cry like he did for PFW.

He sounds a bit stuffed up, probably the classic post-exhausting filming schedule cold/flu. Or just the one that everyone in the UK seems to have at the moment.

Like Love, Victor, there is not much story there. All the important stuff was resolved in the first season.

Unlike network tv which has huge fixed costs for startup so want a series to run as long as possible if the ad revenue driven by ratings are better than what they might get from using that limited and finite airtime on another show, streamers don't have that limitation.

Whichever streamer cracks the nut on how to do limited run series of one season and eight episodes (apparently, 10 is too many to binge for most people), is going to improve profitability.

The random hinge on the back of the jacket, of course.

R151 Disagree on the important stuff being resolved, they've only scratched the surface on Charlie's mental health.

[quote][R151] Disagree on the important stuff being resolved, they've only scratched the surface on Charlie's mental health.

There is an enormous difference between every plot thread being wrapped up with a bow and all major plot threads being resolved.

The inciting incident that launched the whole series in the first episode was resolved. His "mental health" is not even a plot point, it's more charactertization to show what kind of person he is.

It's a massive plot point in the comics that are being adapted.

Short clip of Kit during the show.

In the original books and comics Charlie’s journey with his mental health and eating disorder is the central plot line from beginning to end. Nick’s journey of discovering his sexuality which was central to S1 is almost an aside and would have been wrapped up in at most two episodes without embellishment. So although S1 could always stand alone if it was never renewed it would have barely touched the source material the series was based on just the early how Nick met Charlie section

Looking forward to Kit being able to share what projects is working on next.

R158

Im curious about that too, like whats next. I have a speculation but im pretty sure i am reaching

Kit and Arlo Parks followed each other on Instagram, she's the person sitting on his right in R156.

R159 reach away. I know the semi popular and imo decent guess is Hercules.

R161

Its not hulkling. Im thinking it might be one of Cynthia Erivo’s new projects. There is a thriller that is going to be set in London. Kit followed her so thats what i am basing it on lol

R162 oh that would be cool and different, a supporting role in serious films is honestly great for younger actors a lot of the time. They don’t have to carry the whole thing, if it flops it’s not associated with them and if they’re great they can be labeled a standout.

I mean; anythings possible, Joe also followed her too though

I considered him working with Cynthia Erivo when he followed her, but I'm not sure how long it's going to take her to finish shooting both Wicked movies.

Everything-but-the-kitchen-sink possibilities: Hulkling, something with Cynthia Erivo, Hercules, a supporting part in the new Gladiator movie, an indie film none of us see coming, a limited series none of us see coming.

R165

Yeah anything is possible at the moment. I certainly didn’t see Joe getting into the MCU that quickly so i have no idea what Kit would do next

R165 he’ll sob and cry and shake if he’s cast alongside his crush Paul in Gladiator so would love that for him

As long as it’s not another romance where he plays the unrealistically perfect boyfriend that he’ll forever be typecast in I’ll take it.

I love that the narrative they're going with is that Charli XCX is staring at Kit when she's not looking at him. The more interesting thing to me here is how intently Kit is looking at the model.

R169

Like charli is not looking at him 😭

The devil in me would love relationship speculation between them from this the twitter asexuals would explode if poor Maia is a predator at 22 what would this lady be at 30

Kit really got into being in Italy, he's waving his arms around like a windmill in the background.

Before the show pap video

Did anyone end up commenting / asking that fan who met Joe and Bash yesterday?

No, I think fans were too distracted fighting. None of the people who always ask noticed the sighting. I guess we know those people probably don't lurk here.

R173 That eyebrow lift he does near the beginning is really attractive.

R174 No, because the Twitter fans are useless. They’re invested enough to spend every single day overanalyzing their relationship but can’t bother to do anything beyond replying with “OMG.” I don’t have a Twitter, but I sent the guy a Curious Cat to ask. I don’t think he uses it, though.

R176 You weren't kidding about the replies.

Funny a usual suspect just replied asking. Hi

Yep, noticed that one as well r178

Oh, does she lurk here? Hi, you're a fucking idiot, stop constantly setting Joe, Bash, and Kit up.

Can you please keep the twitter squabbles over there where they belong the discourse of teenage girls really doesn’t interest me and you have all rather given yourselves away with this tiresome little spat

With Rosie Stewart, who works for ITG (Kit's agency in the UK).

I don’t follow Shay or pay too close attention, but from what I’ve seen they seem to be one of the few that wade in with fairly rational points when the chronically online idiots are offended about something or another.

R182 I think this is the first time I’ve seen Kit in a hoodie not in costume.

Who’s on the hoodie? Almost looks like Kit, haha.

R183 Agreed I recognise the name because she seems to always be in the twitter searches but is one of the rational ones defending Joe and Bash and trying to reason with the hysterical albeit futilely and at times counter productively. She seems Bangers and Bash loyal and chronically online but without the weird stalking. I have seen her dragged on here before and assumed it is a escaped Bash hating twitter teen with a grudge

R186 I think her replies are generally correct but she wades into the fray too much. Some things that are beyond ridiculous probably need to be called out (the unhinged CCS calling Bash Joe’s abuser, the person saying Bash and Joe ruined the fandom for not telling people to leave her specifically alone) but most of the time letting people have their dumb little “check mate you’re still an anti semite!” Comment and ignoring it is more prudent. I get why it pisses her off, but a little restraint would be good

She's on 24 hours a day replying to anyone that mentions Bash and more often than not adds fuel to the fire, I wouldn't be surprised if she's mentally ill.

R185 Here's.a link to Kit's hoodie, it's a design by Pol Anglada.

R188 a large portion of the fanbase genuinely believed it was a pic of him

Joe unfollowed someone on insta, which person do you think pissed him off this time. You don't mess with someone's man lol

I'm guessing Attitude Magazine, which is weird because they wrote a pretty level-headed article about the whole thing. The account doesn't follow him and I'm guessing that wasn't an oversight on their part so Joe probably blocked them.

R190 more likely someone deactivated to be honest, he never followed pink news in the first place And no other publication he followed reported on bash.

R191 attitude follows him and he never followed them so he definitely don’t block them. I checked attitude a few days ago to see if they’d written about bash and noticed he didn’t follow them even then

R191 attitude follows him. I don’t think he really followed a lot of publications to begin with

I love how Bash is rich or poor depending on the situation. Today he's poor because he supports trans people.

the gay woke mob!

R195 I read that as sarcastic, making fun of the game subReddit for saying he only said it because he was afraid of getting cancelled. That guy has tweeted other stuff supporting bash, like the linked, so while idk the purpose of bringing in Reddit drama I think he’s supporting him.

BAFTA Rising Star nominees are announced tomorrow, not really expecting anyone from Heartstopper. They’re supposed to be for breakthroughs in film and/or television, but they always end up being movie stars.

Joe unfollowed Tumblr page I think.

R197 The point is to laugh, Rose. It's not drama, it's 4 nerds on Reddit trying to cope.

R198 When Yaz ends up nominated, then what?

R198 yeah agreed. It’ll probably be Stephanie Hsu, Paul Mescal, Austin Butler, maybe Sadie Sink for The Whale, Maybe Emma Corrin though I’d be surprised

Brady Lea posted a reel of Kit from last night.

[quote][bold]kit.connor:[/bold] thank you @jonathan.anderson for having me in Milan. unreal! @jw_anderson

Kizzy commented:

[quote][bold]51212.87287:[/bold] YOU ARE EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!

Really do miss Joe’s comments on posts, particularly the joke thirst ones on Kit’s.

I miss pics of Joe sitting in Bash's lap.

R204 Another thing the fandom took from us. Now we only get thirst likes.

Bash didn't leave a comment on Kit's post when he usually does. Hopefully temporary due to the drama. Might get that taken from us too.

R204 Still can't believe Bradley got one

At least Joe and Bash liked it pretty quickly, Maia hasn't even liked it yet.

Joe read the threads here and wanted to put an end to the Bradley homewrecker narrative.

R207 the irony is they’re going to Drive Bash (less likely Joe but maybe him too) from doing public advocacy now. I think he’ll still do it quietly but won’t “raise awareness”. Instead of his giving to charity, fundraising, raising awareness etc on behalf of queer people buying him benefit of the doubt in this whol thing it somehow became a sign that he was faking support to capitalize off the community. Ironically he’d have been better off in some ways had he never done that work. Every post or story he makes about trans rights from now on is going to lead towards hate for him, so why bother? But congrats to the people shitting on him for shooting themselves in the foot.

There's a short clip of Kit from the JW Anderson show in here.

He definitely got off lightly with that outfit; looking at some of the others.

He looked good though JW Anderson/Loewe is it's not a designer I feel Kit would actually wear if he had any choice in the matter. So it never quite looks right to me. On the other hand, Joe's worn his sweaters/shirts and all the suits he's worn from him seen to fit his style. Plus that amazing crop top he wore at Bash's birthday party. Some other designer come take custody of Kit please

R212

Joe keep your stylist. The outfits that he has worn fit his vibe and look like things he would actually wear. Kit, get away from JW Anderson

R212 agree it’s not the best but to be fair to him Kit is at a hard age and level of fame for really good looks, as he’s young and famous but not SUPER famous. I hope his stylist sticks with more GQ style looks in the future, though, they suited him more and he looked hot. Joe has a more high fashion build (super skinny), can pull pieces from womenswear and pull off most colours, and his stylist is great at her job.

I guess I'm in the minority, but I've actually loved what Kit's worn recently to events (specifically JW Anderson, both Brazil looks [but especially the interview one], GQ, NTA [minus the hair], Attitude Awards).

R215 Nah, I’ve liked those looks too. And I like that he’s willing to try different colors, silhouettes, and designers. The Prada and Moschino outfits were my recent favorites and they were basically night and day.

R215 what’s often off for me at formal events is the first especially of the pants. I honestly didn’t really like the Sttitude look but it fit the event; all the others I think would’ve been great with better tailoring but were still pretty good. The real person who needs to escape their stylist is Bash

R17 typo, the *fit

Harry Lambert should be tried for war crimes.

R219

Him & Kate Young. They do their clients so dirty

Joe Locke everyone.

Is that Spotify? He changed his name months ago on there, someone posted it on here

Yeah, he's had that name forever. I feel Joe's like half a step away from telling fans to fuck off sometimes. Kinda funny.

And Kit has 100k monthly Spotify listens from his two Rocketman songs. Someone tell his people to put up a pfp for him.

On the one hand, the nosy part of me would love if Joe had public playlists just to see more of what his taste in music is like. On the other hand, I just remembered that Kit making a Harry Styles playlist led to further speculation of his sexuality and people calling him a queerbaiter before he came out.

Speaking of, Kit’s SOUL playlist is a solid one.

Bash has only one public playlist, before he had more but he put them in private

R225 Ooh thanks, I'd tried to find that on Spotify recently but couldn't.

R226 He had a couple, one people thought was Joe related since it had songs Joe had mentioned. Probably was since he made it private.

The one that's public he just made too. He's so nice, giving something for us creepers to stalk

Please learn from R225 and provide a link to said playlist, TIA!

Always fun when the show wins something and the leads that carried the whole thing can’t be tagged because they were run off social media.

R229 For Bash's?

It's pretty boring

As is now tradition in these threads, I'm going to jump to conclusions based on social media activity and say that whatever Kit and Maia had going on may have slowed down. She's been on and didn't comment on or like his post, he didn't comment on her last post when he used to comment pretty consistently, and he wasn't in her end-of-year collages, even as a co-star.

I think being on different continents doesn't help sadly, hopefully they had some fun, at least if it was nothing serious promo for their film shouldn't be too awkward

It does seem like it. Maybe one of those things in a long distance when you actually meet you figure out it's not really working. Though not like they ever seemed that serious. I didn't expect Joe and Bash interdependence but those two are kind of the complete opposite.

I'd guess they are still friendly enough though.

Can you imagine spending time with a couple like Joe and Bash though when you're long distance with your whatever they were

R235

It's rough

R235 Can't speak for Kit but I've been on both sides of that scenario and from Kit's side of it, it wasn't something that made me feel strongly or differently than when I would hang out with single friends, especially when I was around his age. I was obviously thrilled for my friends and their relationship, but I wasn't in a rush to be in anything committed myself and wasn't so tied to my LDR that it caused me anguish to see them together or anything like that.

Long distance relationships take work and it never seemed that serious between them so a cooling off point was bound to happen. Jumping to another conclusion, I think that Kit may show up either Friday or Saturday at Paris Fashion Week. Kenzo has a show on Friday and Loewe has a show on Saturday. His hairstylist posted a story that he had slots available for those days too

Update to R232, she photodumped on her photography Insta and no Kit again.

I don’t think they’re serious either just good friends fucking around, but they literally just spent 2 weeks together I’m sure they’re fine. I’d guess taking a social media pause from each other because of all the watchful eyes on them and the hate she got for “making Kit miss the Emmys.”

R237 will also say while Joe and Bash are head over heels and super into one another, given how frequently Connor, Kit, or one of their other friends voluntarily third wheels them, they seem really good at being friends in an individual basis. The person who saw them at the Emmys said oftentimes they weren’t even stood together, so probably pretty easy and less annoying than it would be with a truly codependent couple.

R239 I don't think he pops up on there normally anyway, I can only spot him once, like that's not unusual I would say

They do seem good at not being that weird codependent couple who only talks to each other. Though I didn't think Joe and Bash would to be clingy when among the general public at an award show. Gotta keep their distance and bro hug.

R241 Pretty much.

R238 That's interesting. I hope that your theory pans out, that would be fun.

Not a huge surprise but Joe followed a few of his costars (Ali Ahn and Sasheer). He also followed Jack Champion who to my knowledge hasn’t been announced as part of Agatha, so a bit funny if he accidentally revealed it that way.

R246

Interesting, maybe he did spill the beans by mistake.

Googled him and he looks like he could be Speed, but no clue if he’s supposed to pop up in Agatha.

Or he may have watched Avatar yesterday. But then again, he didn't follow anyone else from the Avatar cast

Speed seems logical, at this point Hulkling is the only real question mark

Tommy's so unimportant I'd be surprised if he shows up in the show

ATP I'm thinking whoever Hulkling is was cast, shot for Secret Invasion, and we'll find out when either it leaks or they send screeners OR he's not showing up in CoC and they haven't cast anyone yet.

R240 Like I said, I'm theorizing that it's a slowing down more than anything else. Don't think it was necessarily the Emmy stuff since Kit was still commenting on Maia's stuff after that mess. I'm sure they're fine and will still like stuff here and there, press will be fine, and so on. I've never thought that if/when it ends it'll be dramatic.

R248 I just searched him as well he really does look a lot like Joe in some pictures if it is Agatha related I am guessing he is Speed as well

Grace Randolph said Miles isn't playing Hulkling from what she hears. She's been pretty good with her scoops lately

I'd guess fake hex boyfriend Eidolon or Billy's friend.

R255 Figured, but glad to hear. The character's race is irrelevant to me so I wouldn't care about a race bend, but he absolutely needs to have as similar a build to the comics as possible. He needs to be a himbo.

They’re really pulling out all the stops for this show. Amazing for Joe.

I wouldn't be surprised if he does pop up, but that account posts bullshit 3/4 of the times for likes and retweets.

I might have called it in R252, Grace Randolph is saying the following:

[quote]I just got confirmation that Miles Gutierrez-Riley is NOT #Hulkling and as of right now #Hulkling is NOT in #AgathaCovenOfChaos

Wait, I just clocked the original tweet in the edit history:

[quote]Miles is playing Wiccan’s boyfriend BEFORE Hulking

Confirmation as well

I saw that and thought it might be redundant to post here, but I'm cracking up at all of the people in the quote tweets whining like this is brand new information, despite Grace having confirmed Joe as Wiccan in 3 or 4 different videos. SUFFER!

R262 Seriously, it's fucking stupid they still need confirmation. It's been months. Get over it.

And I don't want to drag Lizzie Olsen, but if I see another person with her as a pfp saying Joe will have a bad accent and the casting is terrible (while her casting was completely whitewashing Wanda) I just might have to. Please stop. We all remember her painful attempts at an accent when she started MCU.

I forgot that she had that dumbass accent in Age of Ultron (?) that disappeared. It's hilarious how toxic and completely clueless the Wanda fanbase in particular is.

Ah lovely, Joe is going from one toxic fanbase to another then?! Hope he's strapped in because the two combined is going to be a blast

R265 he is and he isn’t. Marvel fanbase sucks in a lot of ways and for some people is REALLY shit (Brie Larson), but honestly going through the ring of fire isn’t uncommon. I remember people being really annoyed with the “new MJ” and Zendaya playing her, with some other castings as well, and once they saw them onscreen being way more enthused and liking them a lot. Also, while I think the constant cruel comments are fully unnecessary, I will admit that a lot of pics of Joe are not the most flattering. When they actually see him onscreen I do think that’ll lessen. They won’t really hold a grudge over maybe unfollowing Pink News or him not “issuing an ultimatum” to fans the way HS fans will.

It's fine. Actually the amount of Kit stans piling on Joe saying his casting is racist and everyone is anti-Semitic for being happy for him is the more annoying thing. Then right after they fancast Kit as Hulkling with Noah as Wiccan. Would be nice if HS fans wouldn't move to Agatha is shit on Joe there too. The other ones whining aren't even Marvel fans but just want someone they find hotter. In the end MCU fans won't give a shit as long Joe does the character justice, and he will. Everyone goes through questions of if their casting is right like R266 said.

You can actually trace back the Heartstopper fans' reactions to this tweet. This person constantly drums up anti-semitism accusations about everything, and I recognize them from constantly trying it with Oscar Isaac when Moon Knight was airing, to the point where they were making up blatant lies about the actor. Expect them to be insufferable and to try to whip up backlash against Joe on a regular basis.

Sorry, I get the Jewish critique a bit (should be at marvel not Joe if they make it though), but this is blatantly offensive. Not even slightly comparable to yellow face.

GLAAD Media Awards nominees. Wouldn’t be surprised if Joe makes an appearance at the ceremony if he’s still in the states.

Outstanding Kids & Family Programming – Live Action

Heartstopper (Netflix)

Outstanding Original Graphic Novel/Anthology

Heartstopper Volume 4 by Alice Oseman (Graphix)

Why are the awards in two halves and two locations? Which ceremony will those awards be presented in?

Looking at the past years, the first one they do all the tv and movie winners and the 2nd one they announce them again? but also add in some new awards for journalism, reality TV, music and other things. Makes no sense, but I guess the first show would be the one to go to.

Heartstopper fans are handling Joe as Wiccan well

R273

huge eyeroll. at some point everyone does something that you will not like.

Of course. You can go to the QRT's of Grace's tweet and see it full of HS fans shitting on Joe. MCU fans won't give a shit in the end, but I could see HS fans fucking it all up and increasing to hate Joe will get. They are going to ratio everything from now on.

The high pedestal they have put Kit on is going to bite them in the ass. So much expectation from an 18 yr old.

R275

Yeah. If he does a good job, mcu fans will probably not be much of an issue. if anything im more worried about the hs fans. although im still side eyeing them because how they reacted to the miles rumor & fan-casting other non-jewish actors for billy.

I love when they cycle back to almost offensive with these takes. What do they mean by "act Jewish?"

R275 The broader fandom won't care, but there's a group of MCU fans on Twitter that will never, ever let it go and will shit on Joe for as long as they're online.

The thing is I would actually see some points they had if they weren’t so OTT. It is true marvel wrote him jewish, and that they have a track record of erasing that. It’s true they’re a huge media company who could be more culturally sensitive. It’s even true that casting a non Jew solely on the basis that they “look jewish” probably isn’t great (though it’s made Adrien Brody’s career.

The issue is how hard they project. Comparing it to being Asian or black; offensive. Saying Joe should have researched when the vast majority of people see it as just a religion, it wasn’t on the casting sheet, and even jewish people are highly ambivalent is stupid. And while the point about appearance is valid, the thing is that here Joe was not cast because he looks Jewish - he was cast for being close to identical to this specific jewish character. Also no shit Kit isn’t getting cast for a lot of ambiguous roles, I hardly think it’s because he’s a woke hero who would decline wiccan. Anyway, this won’t matter to the vast majority of people and by the time this comes out in 2024, most of the HS fanbase will have died down. Till then dramatic tweets like this are funny

Wait so they dislike and feel uncomfortable with Joe, but they don't hate him? I'm very confused. Some fans should do some soul searching and figure out why they got such problems with Joe and Bash specifically. Not sure they'd admit it themselves, but the reasons are pretty obvious and it's not just because they two are dating.

The Marvel stans starting to say the quiet part out loud on why they actually don’t want Joe as Wiccan more and more.

Can we stop linking to all the nonsense abuse and irrational comments from Twitter? We really don't need to see it all here.

I lurk here for the very occasional proper bitchy and inappropriate jokes on this thread and because someone is really on it in terms of collating sightings and cute photos but I’m actually furious about these little homophobes on Twitter. The reason you only see a few Jewish people making the comparison with black and yellow face is because it is so racist and they usually get shouted down by anti-racism activists. Yellow face and blackface is about donning features that have been used for oppression, profiting from and then being able to wash them off at night. If you can pass through the world as white then there is no comparison to yellow or blackface and you are just out and out racist to suggest it.

And now I’ll stop and use this opportunity to say I can’t wait to see Joe in his little marvel superhero costume. The world needs to be exposed to more hot twinks

R269 The closest point of comparison would be, what, Latino/a people? And even that wouldn't be accurate. The yellowface comparison makes negative sense.

R281 I hope the Joe stans on Twitter dogpiled that tweet. Almost makes me want to finally register on there to fight.

Some of this shit isn't worth bothering with. Some of them are still arguing about Elizabeth Olsen. It's a real fringe group of morons

All of the stuff brought over here is from fringe morons, both HS and Marvel. They’re just very loud and very wrong.

This forum is a respite from the nonsense of Twitter. We don't need to bring everything over here.

Brady Lea liked a comment about Kit and PFW, I think the DLer that suggested he may pop up at Loewe and/or Kenzo is right.

Kenzo is Friday. Loewe is Saturday. I hope he wear something ridiculous. It's more fun

The comment he liked was “Brady, if you and Kit are going to Paris for couture fashion week, make him wear a corset please” (removed the shrieking caps lock). I’d be honestly Surprised to see him in a corset plus I think HS fans somehow haven’t realized hair and grooming people are not stylists? But I would guess this is confirmation he’ll show up. Makes sense, I’d expect to see Joe and Bash there if they weren’t in Atlanta. Maybe will will make an appearance.

Think Bash and possibly some combo of Kit/Will/outside chance at Joe will probably go to some NY fashion week event as well.

He'd also have to wear whatever Loewe sends him. Not exactly sure they'd do a corset. I know Kenzo won't

R289 I lived for Kit’s bathrobe and lesbian aunt hair last time around. It’s hilarious to me that Joe was mainly given access to beautiful clothes and Kit was given the drain shirt. Being model thin really helped out last PFW

R291

The corset thing is funny but would never happen. The designers that aligned himself with Jw Anderson/Loewe/Kenzo dont really do stuff like that. Joe would probably be the one to end up in a corset considering he wears designers who probably would ie McQueen. I would have liked to see Joe at the paris shows

It’s always the most random tweets that blow up.

R294 Haha, I do kind of agree with that tweet though. I don't think you could've found many people to play such a golden retriever type role.

HS fans desire to see kit in things that 1. Im not sure would suit him 2. It doesn’t seem he’d be comfortable in is bizarre. Have seen multiple tweets today about him in eyeliner, nail polish, and especially corsets. If he wants to wear any of those great, more power to him, but he does seem more comfortable in more classic looks. An example is Bash’s birthday - the theme was outrageous glamour and he showed up in a suit and sunglasses. He looked great I think a well fitted suit is a good look on him, but he doesn’t seem to enjoy experimenting with fashion the same way Bash or even to an extent Joe do (both of whom have worn things like nail polish, crop tops, women’s wear even outside events).

R295 yeah to be fair it was good casting. This one was fairly spot on

R296 That’s because Kit is still the projection of their dress up doll boy for their compulsive need to baby queer men. Bash and Joe wear that sort of thing a lot but they don’t want to play with them anymore because they won’t do as they’re told and dare to just get on with their lives as openly gay men with a visible sex life

R294 I shouldn’t spend time on Twitter but I really can’t stand that woman. If she is genuinely a lesbian then why does she spend all her energy thirsting all over Kit. She used that as a way to connect with him but is just the usual tingling millennial woman… and, Girl, we know you’re here because you’re constantly stealing content. She feeds the trolls and reinforce infantilising Joe because she’s terrified of the idea he actually has, you know, sex with a man.

Anyway, PFW, personally, I’d love to see Kit in a crop top. All that work he’s does on his body he should let us see it

Kit's worn a crop top, cutouts, and sheer tops in photoshoots before, so I think photoshoots are where he lets loose a little more. That being said, I think between his sartorial tastes, music tastes, and the way he generally carries himself Kit is an "older soul," for lack of a better term, so he gravitates more to classic styling and silhouettes. Still think the 70s Moschino outfit is really underrated.

If kit was to go for something more “daring” (of his own volition, not a photoshoot) at an event, I’d guess it would more likely be a deep v or unbuttoned shirt or a sheer shirt under a blazer. I do like that while they all have some level of comfort zone and individual taste, the HS cast boys are so open to experimenting with fashion. Joe’s stylist is by far the best. Harry Lambert is a war criminal.

R301 Joe’s stylist has an eye for what gay men who like traditionally twinky men want to see. Lots of exposed chest, hint of nip, bare arms. He’s dressed for the gays and she’s good at it

Link to The Trials if anyone is interested.

Ooh nice, thanks R303. How did you find that? I've downloaded it in case it disappears.

R304 good call, is there a programme or app for that? I saw it on Twitter.

To be honest, I just googled 'download youtube video' and tried to pick a website that didn't look dodgy. Worked fine. Snapsave, I think it was called.

One of the fan favourite scenes I guess (probably because Joe gets to say cunt)

Rumoured plot. but this sounds really amazing

R308 idk how reputable this leaker is but holy shit that’s an awesome plot

The Wiccan stuff seems too convoluted to be true. He's Agatha's adopted son, but they also cast biological parents? And that's without touching the Wanda of it all?

Checked the Marvel Spoilers subreddit to see if there was anything on that account's accuracy and they're in the "Highly Unreliable and Banned Sources" tier:

[quote]Inaccurate Leaker and makes fake scoops. When scoops are false he deletes them so there is no trace of them

So grain of salt, I guess?

Not sure I believe that since unless Billy's parents die they are supposed to be in a few episodes if I remember correctly. I could see Agatha looking after Billy, but not being her adopted son. This shit is just going to make people more pissy since they'll say MCU is erasing his Jewish parents. There was a casting call for authentically Jewish actors for the parents.

They addressed the bio parents thing but I agree with R310. I don’t think they’d waste time overly complicating Wiccan’s origin story.

????

Seems like he's right sometimes, for Multiverse of Madness he was pretty spot on, but deletes when he's wrong so he looks like he's more reliable than he actually is. Wouldn't be surprised if Agatha kind of adopts Billy though, but not actually his adopted mother.

MCU likes to keep things simple, so anything too convoluted probably won't be true. The rumors of everyone being after Billy seems pretty reliable though. That's been shared by more than one leaker. Billy having a different boyfriend pre-Teddy seems pretty likely, and Grace mentioned it and deleted it, so woudln't be shocked by that.

He’s great at being a little bitch. Also, like hearing his more natural Northern accent, seems like a lot of his interviews where he sounds more Southern might be more of a phone voice. Looking forward to the snark in Agatha. Ideally he gets to be a dick like this and agatha gets to call him an annoying twink.

Could see Aubrey Plaza saying it, but regardless if someone doesn't call him an annoying twink then what's the point of the whole show really

R294 How the fuck did that tweet hit 101k likes in a day?

R318 the girl has over 40 thousand followers and is a prettt big kit fan account, it’s not super unusual

R317

I need someone to say it

R319 She has 24.6k, which is still a lot, but over 100k likes is still wild to me. I guess in context of Kit generally probably not though, since his coming out got a million likes.

R321 I think it probably has more reach than just the usual suspects too. Lots of people loved the show and the character. Even people who aren’t necessarily specific Kit fans would give it a bump. People absolutely love those “name something…” threads

Have I missed where Joe said anything about his ethnicity? Could he actually be Jewish and all of this is for nothing?

R323 he went to a Christian school growing up and has celebrated Christmas which I think is most of the basis for it. I’ve joked before that given we know fuck all about his dad, winds would really be taken out of sails if it turned out his dad was Jewish the whole time. (I know it’s traditionally passed through the mother but the social Justice crowd wouldn’t gatekeep on that basis without being crucified).

Either way, a Twitter scandal over a MUCH bigger show (Wednesday) and much more serious issues dropped today. Doubt the Joe or even Bash discourse will be on many people’s radars tomorrow

Agreed r300 about Kit. Not quite anachronistic or old fashioned, but an old soul. I always see comments on pics about “nothing behind those eyes” but no, it’s quite the opposite. I wonder if having older parents contributed to that, and why he can also sometimes give off that middle age dad vibe.

R325 to be honest it’s a shockingly mature cast. I agree with you re Kit coming off as an old soul and I think being a youngest child, growing up on film sets, and older parents probably contributed. I know Joe blocked Pink News and a random fan but considering the epic levels of shit he and Bash get, they’re so mature, low keyS and lovely to fans - and have the most old married couple style relationship (even walking arm in arm). It’s not a surprise Netflix promotes the shit out of them. They’re such a dream PR wise.

[quote](I know it’s traditionally passed through the mother but the social Justice crowd wouldn’t gatekeep on that basis without being crucified)

You'd be surprised. Lea Michele still got shit from that crowd for doing Funny Girl despite her father being a Sephardic Jew. It's honestly not really the social justice crowd that is militant on the Judaism thing, it's a fringe group. Most of us don't overpolice Judaism this much.

R324 If the accounts in that thread are true, I hope Netflix boots him. Not like he brought a lot to the show.

R327 to be clear not talking about actual upset Jewish accounts, those would likely be anyway. Talking about the HStwt crowd who wanted an excuse other than “he’s dating someone we don’t like”

R324 Agree if only half of the little I have just seen is true then no one is going to be talking about Joe and Bash for a while.

Also a salutary reminder just how many genuinely awful people there are in the industry and the profound offensiveness of the braying idiots crying wolf repeatedly over a cast of genuinely unproblematic decent queer kids who have done nothing but live their lives

R327 Joan Cusack could start playing his character and no one would be able to tell he was replaced anyway.

R326 I know I’m in the minority here but I actually don’t think Joe blocked Pink News. His following of media is all over the place and I think the fact that they don’t follow him is just one of those oddities. maybe they were pissed he didn’t acknowledge any of their stories about him or maybe the social media manager hit on him and got rejected - or anything random at all. blocking a fan who kept saying his boyfriend is the devil is pretty different from blocking the low rent queer pop buzz

R331 to be honest I have no idea if he actually did or not; his following them wasn’t in question (his following count didn’t drop at all and a few people on Twitter said only Rhea, Bash, Leila, and Jenny didn’t follow them). It’s plausible to me he also didn’t block them and I would not begin to know how to check. My point was more even if he had, the entire cast but especially Kit, Joe, and Bash (who bear the majority of the shittiness) are insanely mature and PR friendly. Networks and PR teams would dream of clients whose biggest scandals were “signed on to video game long before the author was known as a transphobe having proved many times over he is queer and a trans ally”.

Now I want a scene where Charlie tries to beat the bricks off Ben and Tao has to hold him back.

I saw the Trials when it was on, and tbh I'd forgotten how GCSE drama it was at times (understandable considering the age of the kids) Joe and Will definitely shone though plus the girl who plays Ren was very good too

Probably totally wrong but I heard Joe had a step brother called Dylan Goldie so there is a potential for his father to be Jewish, but there seems to be very little information about his biological father.

Joe’s stylist got an invite to the LV mens show in Paris. Too bad Joe is filming or he may have made an appearance

R334 the production is a cool idea but it’s exceedingly hard to do with such a young cast. Joe and Will were both genuinely good, I think while not professional you can see they both had stage experience. Agreed Ren was pretty good as well. I don’t expect a tonne from mostly amateur young actors but the girl who played the one constantly throwing up was particularly weak

Haha they made that Trials video private, as I thought they might. Glad I downloaded it. Wonder why it was uploaded in the first place?

R338 feel like throwing it on a google drive link? No worries if not.

It was probably supposed to be unlisted and private so the actors, writer, director etc could use parts of it in a reel or send it as a sample of their work (easier to just give them all the link than individually upload each time).

Didn’t get a chance to grab it before it went private, shit. Who wants to share?

I find google drive a bit confusing, but have uploaded to WeTransfer - hopefully that works. The link expires in a week.

R341 thanks!

Joe’s story. That code name isn’t remotely subtle.

So Bash followed Hunter Doohan and Kev Harrington, both who are in Paris and hung out last night (with others)... Could Bash also be in Paris and followed because he met them or just a random follow?

I could see him going to Paris fashion week.

Although fuck knows what he'll end up wearing if Harry Lambert is involved

R344 I wondered the same. He did also follow Jenna Ortega, so the Hunter follow I presumed was Wednesday related, but Kevin also piqued my interest. Him going to Paris fashion week would make sense; I’m sure Joe’s working hours are crazy this first week anyway.

Joe and Bash were together away from London for like three weeks solid so I expected him to go home for a bit at least. You know he'll be back soon if he's in Paris.

I've always been of the mind that he flew in with Joe to help him get settled and that he's more likely to visit frequently than to settle in Atlanta until Joe wraps, but who knows?

I'd love to see Bash and Kit photographed together just for the shits and giggles of watching the Kit stans lose their shit

R349 honestly I could see it either way, especially since we don’t actually know joes filming schedule. Male lead implies a big role but he might have random weeks or so off. I also have no clue what else Bash has lined up or when HTDBW promo starts; if he has a project he knows will start in say, March, I can see him staying mostly in Atlanta till then to bank up time together; if he doesn’t have anything lined up until Joe is done, flying back and forth makes sense

Old, but I wonder what Joe's mom was showing them. Or maybe she was trying to take a selfie with them.

Joe must have gotten scolded. He deleted his Instagram story. The next Tom Holland.

R353 Ugh, you're joking. It gave away literally nothing!

R353 I figured it was coming but…they might as well not have a code name for how blatant it is. This is as dumb as when he got scolded for posting that the cast was in Paris.

Joe getting yelled at by Netflix, Alice and Marvel. I don't think he's the next Tom Holland since he's used to his bosses being annoying about spoilers.

MCU fans find him getting in trouble Day 1 pretty endearing, so that's nice to read .

Honestly, I don’t think he would have done it if he wasn’t allowed. He probably got the go from someone on set and then someone higher told him to take it down. He seems pretty concerned about spoilers for a show that literally already has a public plot - I can’t imagine he would have posted a photo of anything marvel without some kind of permission. But I can see someone more senior from Marvel losing it!

I'm sure he'll be fine. Seems like all actors get the talk from Feige eventually.

And did anyone read the new parts of this R308? Seems like it hints towards Joe being in Vision Quest too where they'll look for Tommy. Probably just a cameo, but he's pretty much got his career set for years to come.

I remember reading a couple of weeks or months ago that Vision Quest would be tied to the Young Avengers, so it's logical that Joe may pop up.

I think Joe underestimated how much that IG story would spread. it's like HS x a million

Did his followers go up by 100k this morning?

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I’m pretty sure he was already at 3.5 million for a couple of weeks now, im not sure

I don’t get what the problem with the chair photo is?! (Non Marvel fan here).

The crossing of my fav fandoms at these fashion shows. Hunter Doohan was with Nichols Galetzine from RWRB last week. This week, he has possibly met Bash. Plus Bash possibly meeting Antoni, who I love with my whole heart. I noticed Omar from YR wished Hunter a happy birthday yesterday too!

Honey. We worry.

R362 Looks like he’s gained ~600 followers so far today.

In other news, the account that snottily @ed Bash and he replied to, with a follow up reply clarifying people shouldn’t be rude bc he understood their concerns, is now blaming him for the existence of trans phobes and nazis because he “shouldn’t have replied” to their tweet and do so “only to welcome hate”. These people have never heard the concept of talk shit and get hit - they want a 10K tweet viral like but are shocked when the actor they @ in it sees it.

R366 ha! So I couldn’t have been more wrong

R367 interesting as initially when someone else said Bash shouldn’t have replied directly the account said that it was their fault because they @

I think the receipts might actually be in the Bash group

R367 interesting as that account initially acknowledged it was their fault that bash replied directly as they @ed… I think the receipts for that might even be in the Bash group. The hypocrisy

Ah, the double post nightmare. Sorry!

R367 They were nasty and personal and basically accused him of being a hypocrite and insulted him... I'm guessing they weren't being attacked by transphobes and nazis but by fans who didn't like their comment. Don't be a little bitch if you don't want to get called out. You can tweet your concern in a decent way.

I was one of the ‘attackers’ (although I was a lot more diplomatic than some) and after a short conversation with absolutely zero rationale from their side, I stepped out and was blocked shortly after.

I’d still really rather not see the Twitter abuse continuously copied into these threads, though. We can go to Twitter if we want to read the moronic stuff.

R373 I’ll keep most Twitter stuff off but good lord, Mason is beating a dead horse

R372 I was going through his mentions a couple of days ago and (through no fault of Bash's) the JKR-supporting TERF/Nazi crowd caught wind of the situation and went after both the quoted person and Bash. Some of them tried couching it as concern that Bash was bowing to the mob or some shit, but most of it was nasty and clearly not an attack on them in defense of Bash. They're being disingenuous for framing it that way.

R374 This reply is killing me. People in the Heartstopper fandom need to stop assuming the average person has any idea of what goes on with the actors on a regular basis.

He's weak if he thinks Bash fans are rabid.

Also the whole fight he had with fantasybliss was pretty evenly matched, which is embarrassing for him. He should also deactivate out of shame for having it in the first place. I hope nobody buys his shitty movie.

He’s currently quote retweeting and arguing with a 16 year old so I guess he hasn’t stopped embarrassing himself.

Wondering if Will or Yaz might pop up at any Paris fashion things? Obviously kit is close to guaranteed now

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Will I doubt will show. Who knows where he is and i don’t think he has any tupe of relationship with brands besides ysl and gucci and those shows have already passed. Yaz maybe? If anything i am sure that she will be present at the women's shows later this year.

Not sure if it was a live post or if he's back in the UK and was posting older pictures, but it looked like he was still in NYC and shooting a music video the other day. If they're releasing a new song for the Heartstopper soundtrack, it makes sense to invest in shooting a video and having it ready to drop with the show.

R378 Just to play devil’s advocate and because I am irritated by how often she is mentioned on here as she is a self described author and has more twitter followers than Mason so why wouldn’t it be evenly matched?

I have said before I looked at her accounts because of all the fuss about her and she certainly seems annoying and tedious at times inappropriate but positively tame next to deranged batshitery I have seen repeatedly spewed across the Heartstopper fan accounts and I still don’t know the reason she is everyone’s pantomime villain. I have never seen her attack the cast.

And do not post another screen grab of that CC where she is discussing a question speculating about Joe and Bash’s sexual preferences that seems to have existed for no more than a moment before she deleted it. If asking that question got you terminal cancellation half the straight women I’ve met would be on death row

Probably just Kit (and Bash if he's there). Dior is tomorrow which I guess I could see Bash going to. Though seems more like a Joe thing lately since Bash was cursed with Harry, but last fashion week Bash did do some stuff with them. And he can pick up Joe some new sweaters to steal.

Please do not try to start a goddamn rehabilitation arc for Fantasy Bliss. We're allowed to think that grown women that treat young gay men like Barbie dolls or fictional characters are creeps. If you've seen all of the screenshots, that should be enough for you to understand why gay men of all people are put off by her. I personally don't give a fuck if she deleted questions or whatever given how she still talks about Joe and Bash. If it doesn't bother you, that's fine and your prerogative, but for Christ's sake I would love to avoid having to slog through a defense of the poor, sweet heterosexual woman that isn't as bad as other people who also suck or whatever the angle is here.

R384 to add to that, she and that Shay woman seek out negative comments (or even mild ones) and escalate them which does in fact lead to more shit on Joe and bash. It’s incredibly irritating

Where are all these Will stans coming from? And what has Joe done to them? Calling Will THE THEATRE BOY as if Joe wasn't nominated for his breakthrough performance.

People who pay zero attention to Will always get mad when people pay zero attention to Will. It's some weird shit. Then every month they'll add him to a tweet calling him one of the MC's (mostly at at dig at Bash) and then go back to talking about Kit.

I like Will, but he's not really that interesting and and Joe was pretty clearly better than Will in the play let's be real

[quote]THEEEE theatre boy

Listen, I love Will, but there are 4 "theatre boys" in the Heartstopper cast.

To be fair both those users have Will related names. 99.9% of the Will “love” is to shit on Bash and/or Joe but I think they might be genuine

R384 Not a defence or rehabilitation she is an annoying straight woman who I would rather not waste my time thinking about but she keeps getting mentioned here. I am just pointing out that fucking annoying is all she is and she wouldn’t even register at all if so many people didn’t make her out to be the devil incarnate. If she wants to spend her days posting pictures of pretty gay boys what harm does it do to anyone else? I have no feelings about it either way but I am simply observing that I would take her harmless if sad infatuation over Mason’s even sadder embittered spite any day.

I am a gay man and if I had that much of a hissy fit every time a straight woman had got inappropriate on my personal life I would never leave the house

[quote]f she wants to spend her days posting pictures of pretty gay boys

The reason she's been brought up a couple of times recently is *because* that's not all she's doing. She wouldn't be brought up at all if that was the extent of it.

[quote]I am simply observing that I would take her harmless if sad infatuation over Mason’s even sadder embittered spite any day

Thankfully, we don't have to choose one or the other.

I see the moratorium on bringing pointless Twitter drama is going well.

R392 I mean if the cast starts doing anything interesting, literallt any of them at all, I would post it, but they’re not

I only brought her up because Mason the idiot couldn't out tweet her and then started picking fights with a child while still ranting about Bash randomly days later. I don't care about some woman who likes Joe and Bash and says stupid shit. I'd rather her being a weirdo who likes them than a weirdo who hates them and encourages others to do the same. For example, I truly expect the Joe stealing roles from a Jewish twink to actually be a question he gets asked because HS fans encourage it and are going to keep at it forever

R392 Tell Kit to post something. Preferably something where he's showing some skin

R392 Apologies I let my guard down sometimes answering twitter related posts until they start firing the same couple of twitter names at me and I realise it is likely the same poster bringing their grudge over here again.

I will endeavour to do better in future at not encouraging it

This is not that interesting and it's old, but you know Joe sent this dumb meme to Bash to like

R395 I don’t really mind all that much and have been guilty of doing it myself, so don’t apologize! I left the comment in jest because I find it funny how sometimes we can’t resist.

R396 that’s hilarious. Joe just started following that account the other day so might have been a recent send and like

His acting style is much more suited for theater than for the show.

R399 yeah, I thought he, the girl he was opposite, and Joe were the three strongest, with Joe being the standout of the three. It makes sense if Will is used to theatre that he might be a little hammier in the show

This show is so badly written and corny. Its core demographic is fraus who used to write gay fanfic on Tumblr.

It's dead enough to bring this up I guess, but Maia just posted a TikTok singing something about waiting too long to say sorry with the caption "sorry i guess 🤠🤠🤠🤠." I doubt it's about Kit (maybe it's an original song?) but it's not like we have anything better to do here than to speculate right now.

R402 Nothing wrong with a bit of speculation it has all been a bit quiet between them publicly at least since the Argentine holiday but then I never thought it was that serious to begin with just two young people having some fun

I think she had that on Insta the other day and it was recorded in the UK. I can’t tell you how much I wish I didn’t have that information in the front of my brain.

I realise consensus here is that Kit is a quiet, mature old soul but I would die for him to go through a Jacob Elordi phase and sleep with all his costars.

I do think they are either over or have decided to pull right back on the main. There was that article about her that was a big deal and had his name in the title. That’s enough to make you filthy if you’ve been working hard for a long time on your own career

[quote]I realise consensus here is that Kit is a quiet, mature old soul but I would die for him to go through a Jacob Elordi phase and sleep with all his costars.

????

R404 I mean his ending or falling out with Sof seemed behind the scenes messy. If anyone gave a fuck about her or the fandom wasn’t obsessive about not speculating on her then that could’ve been some gossip. I do think Kit is mature but he’s also 18; I wouldn’t fault him or any od the rest of the cast for a messy relationship ending or two.

Agreed re his name being in her headline. If the fanbase wasn’t so obsessed with him they would concede that’s pretty unfair and unfortunate; not his fault at all but I can see why it would piss her off

"Maia Reficco on Kit Connor, Pretty Little Liars Season 2, and Achieving Her Dreams"

Damn, the least they could have done is listed Kit at the end.

R405 I was thinking more of Will than Joe lol

R407 Yeah, it was US Teen Vogue too. It took her quite a few days to post it to her stories… again, I really wish I hadn’t retained this.

R406 Sof always seemed so trashy I was really hoping she would go full nightmare ex and spill

R404 I have always rather hoped he would have a bit of an interlude if only to watch the hysterics it would trigger in his chronically uptight fanbase who thinks he is some kind of saintly innocent while boys being sexy (like Joe and Bash) are innately offensive.

Nothing too destructive or out of control just a bit of fuck you wild while he’s young

R411 it would be hilarious to watch the fans get whiplash if they keep having to fall in love with his next conquest each time he’s linked to someone. There are always heaps of his fan accounts commenting on her posts

I'm not convinced he and Sof had some messy falling out; he appears to have been front and center at her birthday party just a couple of weeks after the photos of him and Maia in Paris surfaced:

R413 not being rude, is the only proof the back of that guy’s head? I’m not sure that’s Kit. Bash unfollowing her on her actual birthday, Will unfollowing her a few weeks before, her unfollowing Joe’s priv and vice versa, and kit unfollowing her makes me think something went down

R413 Interesting and I still remain absolutely convinced whether they fell out or not that he and Sof were never an item in the first place

That’s definitely not Kit r413.

He did like some of Maia’s recent posts that she’s been making on her secondary account.

R416 I don’t think they’re on particularly bad terms just not actively seeing each other. I wonder what the movie is like… not to be a total bitch but she was bad in Do Revenge. That’s an easy type of part to play if you have a bit of charm and she was flat

R417

Its going to be a cheesy streaming romcom. The book was meh so i am not expecting much tbh. chemistry wise im pretty sure they will be good but i dont think overall its going to be anything major

R418 I don’t know - Often real life couples have terrible onscreen chemistry. He can do that dreamy boyfriend thing in his sleep so it could be good.

I don’t know that Netflix will pick it up. They are very invested in Kit as Nick Nelson

It took me several attempts to get through the book r418, so I would say more than meh. I only suffered in anticipation of the movie. Though some people seem quite up in arms about the shift to Argentinian culture to match Maia. Always some drama.

R420 I couldn’t even get through the sample chapter…

R417 Didn't she start off on Nickelodeon? Those actors are almost always terrible for some reason. She should stick to singing.

R419 Netflix cares about numbers above everything and they're aware of Kit's popularity more than anyone else. I can't imagine the movie being super expensive to acquire, either. But I think I remember someone on here saying that a person working on the movie let it slip that it was a Netflix production while they were shooting?

Regardless, I think both Kit and Bash's movies aren't going to make waves but, especially for actors in their age range, a job is a job.

R422 never bought that it was a Netflix production. Think that was just some random production people giving an easy explanation.

Agree about work. I’m more interested in Bash’s movie. Bash doesn’t read a particularly straight passing to me so I’m curious to see if he can Jonathan Bailey it up. I know we can play straight blah blah but I always think it’s more obvious in romances

Charithra is really good in Bridgerton, it’ll be fun seeing her with Bash. And Tanner obviously.

Tanner still has Bash as his pfp? He’s so weird

R425 Lol the random person who is somehow still offended by that has popped up.

To be fair, it is a little weird

Would love if he and Kit met at whatever the event is! Not that Omar is necessarily going.

R428 Oh, that would be fun. I hope the 4 leads meet in person before their shows are over, I love how supportive they are of each other online.

In unsurprising news, the Donmar is getting all of the clips circulating on Twitter taken down for copyright.

R429 Uh oh! I'm still curious how on earth people found the unlisted link in the first place. It obviously wasn't meant to be shared.

Someone said it was on a playlist

R428

Omar posted an ig story with a gift bag from Loewe. Maybe he was invited to their show tomorrow

Joe with Kathryn Hahn on set

Some more

Oh nice. Agatha and Billy mother son relationship is going to be amazing

Glad they left his hair alone

Fun to see Joe in a different costume. I mean, it’s a Marvel costume so it’s dull but we’ve never seen him in a shirt so tight or a hoodie. Great boots

Agatha Spoiler: Today's shoot

Billy gets more and more twinkish with curlier hair as times go by, so never thought they'd do anything with Joe's hair. He's pretty spot as is.

Some spoilers from filming. Also read Joe apparently pushes a stroller with a fake baby in it

I guess for fashion week we can wait for Loewe tomorrow.

Double the spoilers. At least we posted different accounts.

Yeah a rat cool cool, where are the details on his American accent?

Alice has apparently broken her social media break and is complaining about Twitter being bad (on her tumblr page). Don’t go on it, then? Twitter isn’t going to suddenly become a nice place.

Going through the account of the Kathryn Hahn fan who took those shots - seems her fans are actually pretty loose themselves, and not massive Joe fans. However, she did mention that Kevin Feige was actually on set… so maybe Joe got read by the man himself for the photo

So looks like will actually went to pfw

R442 what’s her tumble?

More info about Agatha

R443 Still half convinced the pic was for hype and then he deleted it. He doesn't seem the type to do something without permission. He knows how annoying execs are about things like that.

R446 Yep.

Oh Will, no babe

R443 Kathryn's fans don't seem like they like Joe, but aren't nearly as nasty as some of the others. Plus they are all lesbians. They aren't into twinks. Can't be helped. He'll just have to win them over.

Curious what made the person sure he was Billy. He obviously is so not questioning that. Hopefully others start to accept it since it's getting annoying.

R449 I think if he’s funny and a good match for her they’ll like him fine. Hopefully the character is written like the comic book character with a very (for lack of a better description) bitchy gay sense of humour.

It’s so dumb to see people upset about his casting when they have no interest in Wiccan to start with. They’re just piling on. They probably have no opinion at all, it just gets them noticed

I wish one of the lesbians would just say - he’s a cute enough boy irl so everyone can get over it

No Kit at Kenzo? I would put his chances for being in Paris much lower now. He just did the Loewe show in Milan. Would he really just go to Paris for that show

R449 The Wanda fans don't like Joe, either. Whatever. In terms of what makes them think he's Billy, it sounds like it was the outfit/color scheme (sparkly, blue).

R447 Outfit is terrible but he still looks hot.

R452 He was at the JW Anderson show in Milan, Loewe didn't show there.

Alice's Tumblr post:

[quote]i have had a social media relapse #it's not good #it was good for a bit there but now it is not

Does anyone suffer as much as Alice (according to her?) she probably read this thread about how she steals from Japanese BL artists since I know she's not talking about anything else but herself

Marvel gay here. I saw someone upset on a Insta post about julia louis-dreyfus purple hair streak instead of white. Apparently it was disrespectful to the creators of the comic. So Marvel fans can be upset about literally anything

R456 she definitely wouldn’t be upset that it was two of her “friends” are constantly being trashed by her homophobic fans

If she broke her social media hiatus I presume she saw Mason Deaver's tweets, no? She's still following him.

R459 in semi interesting timing he deleted all his tweets about bash this morning. He didn’t apologize but said he needs to “not reply to strangers”. If Alice was anyone else I’d gues that she had a word with him but then again it’s Alice, so she probably saw one neutral comment about her and that sent her on a spiral. Ignoring the “Joe is an antisemite and bash is that AND a transphobe” discourse

He says he stands by what he said, so I'm not reading into it.

In terms of the Hahn’s fans, I wonder if it is actually Joe’s association with Heartstopper that puts them off… it is not a well loved show generally among lesbians (real ones, anyway)

R461 what a coward - I stand by everything I said but I’m not going to leave any evidence of what it was…

R462 to be honest I think there would be a level of pushback regardless; it being a “Billy centric” storyline at all got some bitching for the diehard agatha and Kathryn fans. I think the press tour will help a lot. Kathryn has a great rapport with her costars and I think Joe’s personality will be up both her and Aubrey’s alley. If they’re bantering and clearly enjoy one another, he’s gushing about how amazing they are, and it’s still the “agatha show”, they’ll warm up to him.

R462 I was wondering about that. lgbthahn doesn't have anything positive or negative about Heartstopper on her account that I could find, mcusapphic seems more neutral-to-positive on it.

E465 This makes me wonder if Kit fans know what they are asking for. Semi-questionable CGI green Kit. Skaar gave me nightmares

Noone ever has problem with Kit connor as hulkling. Its Joe Locke they cannot jerk off too.

R460 I doubt it was Alice but anyone could have pointed out how he was shooting himself in the foot. He is trying to sell a movie of his book and he just spent days monstering a young Netflix darling and by association a Netflix show and a Marvel lead.

He is an online YA author with a couple of thousand followers who showed himself up as a bitter and vindictive lose canon with a PR death wish. The last I saw he had moved on from the Fantasy Bliss woman and was piling on a 16 year old girl. This is not behaviour that any network would want to be associated with.

Alice could be upset but if she is it is likely because she felt he was attacking her show and therefore take it personally. She is certainly closer to Joe and Bash than any other cast member but I just don’t trust her empathy enough for that to be her main concern

Maybe he deleted them for this

R465 Nothing on the mcusapphic person’s Twitter from today reads mean about Joe like some of the things lgbthahn replied to, so I’m guessing the “sorry y’all” was more about the Jewish thing. Did not go through her Twitter farther back than today, just the impression I get.

R469 Even for him, that was fucking stupid. He was shitting on Bash for being white. I think Bash has quite a bit more melanin than he does....

R467 Lesbians?

R467 Joe haters are usually straight women who don't find him hot or actually ugly twinks. Some of them have zero shame to use their own face in their pfp while insulting Joe too.

R469 he blocked that user actually which is very interesting for such a “woke” person. For being a mostly unknown author he has quite the ego.

Guessing Kit is going to pop up at Loewe tomorrow; Omar is as well

This is a good candid picture of Will.

R467 yep. Because far be it from straight people to think that there might be versions of hot that exist outside of the narrow worldview they have. Joe is twink hot and straight people not only can’t see it but it clearly makes them furious because they can’t let us have nice things

R475 cute. That suit is truly bad though. He’s pulling that whole thing together through the power of his bone structure alone.

R476 I think it genuinely boggles their mind that 1. Not everyone is into Kit. Kit is hot but he’s a very different type. 2. For the ones who don’t hate bash but do dislike Joe, which to be fair are rarer, they think Bash is way hotter and are shocked he’s so into Joe. I think he’s honestly really good looking onscreen and in many pics, and given every DL user who has ever seen him in real life said he’s amazing looking in person, I’ll take their word for it

Did anyone on here actually read everything he said and reposted? I saw snippets but clearly missed a lot was it enough that he could have received a legal letter?

R479 highly unlikely, it was all incredibly rude opinions but just opinions (“he’s not a real ally” etc.) more likely as someone said above his PR finally logged on and had a heart attack

R479 It's seemed just like petty fighting to me and it wasn't a good look to be seen fighting with HS fans and being so nasty towards a 21 year old.

The whole thing just seemed overly personal to me. Not that he can't feel bothered personally, but how he used Bash's name (not calling him Sebastian) and just kept piling on. He follows the cast on the IG (minus Bash), but he just really seemed to personally hate him for some weird reason.

R479 There was nothing actionable in his tweets, so doubt it.

R478 Not going to lie, even without having seen them in person I think Joe is way hotter than Bash.

R478 one of the reasons that gay show/comic about teenagers written by an asexual woman has a following among gay men is that she got one fundamental thing right; some men are attracted to smaller, slim men. The fan castings for Wiccan and even Charlie are never what I would classify a true twink. Always just boys that girls can fantasise about

R482 I honestly think all four of the main guys are good looking enough that who you find hottest is really reasonable and types based. But I haven’t heard a single guy who’s into twinks think Joe is ugly or even average looking

The best-looking guys to me in the cast are Joe, Kit, and Will. My taste is all over the place, clearly.

R485 I might be the only person that doesn’t rate that photo. Great suit but he’s doing that thing he does (maybe when he’s nervous) where he clenches his jaw. By far the best he has looked in photos was at the Attitude awards and he looked so relaxed and confident and didn’t seem to tense his face

I’ve seen them in person and Joe was very cute while Bash was more striking and taller than I expected. Haven’t seen Kit or Will in person.

That can be the next poll question, hottest guy in the cast (kidding). I agree that the casting directors didn’t cast insanely beautiful teens the way CW dramas do but it’s funny they try to spin them as average looking. They ugly Tao up for the show but any friend group with Kit, Joe, Will, Yaz, Cori, Bash, and Rhea in it would be considered a very good looking one. No offense to Kizzy or Tobie, not ugly but not quite as attractive as the above group in my opinion

R487 where did you see them?

R473 Joe definitely suffers from not being attractive to straight girls. He is in reality stunningly beautiful would have men fighting over him so I am sure he doesn’t lose any sleep over it. It’s just a shame they are so damn nasty about it

R478 Agreed Kit is a nice looking boy but both Joe and Bash blow him out of the water for both looks and charisma. That is my opinion

R481 It all seemed very personal from the start I think it more than likely Bash rejected him either personally or declined involvement in his project. Either that or he’s besotted with Joe and jealous as hell

R482 it also terrifies straights that we are so upfront about types. honestly, I think just anything to do with actual sexual attraction is still so demonised. It’s fine if we’re wearing rainbows and throwing great parties and even having lovely weddings but not the sex part. Shouldn’t have looked into those Twitter replies

I would rate Kizzy above Bash and Rhea, but different strokes.

I would rate Kizzy above Bash and Rhea, but different strokes.

R490 I’ve been dying for someone to say this… I have been theorising that Joe or Bash might have rejected him. Probably Joe… he seemed SO bitter

I like curly haired twinks, so for me it's Joe

My internet is shit, no clue why that double-posted but it's meant as a reply to R488.

R495 such a pretty face and honestly, gay men who don’t like his ears lack imagination (too much?)

I love that this has turned into everyone just naming who they think is hot of the cast, genuinely. My last two boyfriends have been an Italian twink and a Greek twink so Bash and Joe are the hottest to me, objectively Will is a extremely attractive.

R492 with longer hair I would put Kizzy above RheA (not Bash, I actually think Bash is probably top 3 best looking cast members for me) but while I am happy for kizzy and his gender journey shorter hair isn’t the best look for him. I know he’s starting T and as his jawline develops I think he’ll be prettt good looking.

R481 Unless I'm missing something, he only follows Yaz from the cast?

R489 At the Harold Pinter Theatre months ago, I walked past them in the lobby. I also saw Jodie Comer that night after the show (Prima Facie).

R499 that’s actually fascinating - he followed Kit, Will, and Joe for sure as well before today. Can’t remember if he followed Kizzy or Cori (ironic if not Kizzy considering he said Bash had “amazing trans costars” he was doing dirty).

Anyway his movie announced it has an exciting development coming February which explains his tweet deletinf

R499 I swear he followed Kit, Joe and Will and maybe others. I checked just a couple days ago. Unless I'm losing my mind.

I think I would probably order the guys Kit > Joe > Will > Kizzy > Bash > Tobie? The first three in the fuckable range. No shade to anyone below third.

If Deaver really unfollowed almost the entire cast despite their complete lack of involvement in the Bash situation, that’s genuinely hilarious.

R501 Thanks I'm not crazy! He followed them. I noticed since he never followed Bash.

R498 this is as it should be. For me Kit is a pretty distinct type that just doesn’t do it for me. Also, he just looks so young sometimes. Obviously Joe looks young too but it just seems twinky, whereas Kit looks like a school kid in some shots (face, body obviously a man’s).

R500 they really do just go shopping and go to plays like an old married couple

R504 It's curious. Well, on IG you can force someone to unfollow you. Not sure if they are that petty, but they might be. I actually went and checked to see if he was following Joe while trashing his boyfriend and he was. Not sure why he'd unfollow Will and Kit

R499 was 501, knew I had a screenshot (wanted to see if Joe would block him). Maybe he was so upset he was too irrelevant to be blocked a la Pink News that he unfollowed. But here’s who he followed the day of his initial bash rant.

R508 That looks like a purge to me. Jenny, Patrick, Will, Joe, Kit all gone?

Kinda wonder if someone stood up for Bash behind the scenes

R510 that would be nice but really seems more Likely, given the film adaptation of his book posted today that they had an announcement coming, that his PR or whoever (maybe?) acquired the film bitched him out for losing a whole cast’s worth of some of the most prominent queer people in that age group to promote it

R503 For me Joe Bash and Will are all hot as hell. If I had to pick an order Joe-Bash-Will-Kizzy-Kit-Tobie for the boys and Yaz-Cori-Jenny-Rhea for the girls.

What can I say? I unapologetically like hot skinny twinks.

Seriously though none of them need to worry they are all genuinely very attractive in their own styles. When they were described as “not conventionally attractive” I assumed they just meant not the usual boring identikit cut outs you cannot tell apart because straight people with no imagination can only process one look

R510 If someone did it wasn’t Alice, they still follows all of her accounts (including her finsta). Also just realized they use they/them pronouns, they didn’t have any pronouns on Twitter so I didn’t realize until I went to snoop on Insta.

R503 I’m trying to do an order now and can’t really nail it down. I guess I’ll say Kit, Will, Joe in 1, 2, 3, and I’ll get back to you on the rest.

R513 oh also didn’t realize Mason uses they pronouns. While you don’t “need” to show them to people a cynical part of me wonders if they use that as a gotcha card in twitter arguments. “You presumed I’m he when I’m THEY”.

If we’re all ranking… Joe>Bash>Will>Kit>Kizzy>Tobie. I really like twinks and strong bone structure. Joe’s lips are unbeatable. They’re all definitely good looking guys though.

Everyone ignoring Bradley

R515 Part of me wouldn't be surprised, there was someone involved in the general back and forth on Twitter that went from having no information about themselves anywhere to suddenly being trans, Jewish, and non-white in the span of a day.

R517 Goddamnit, okay I'm redoing it with the limited information I have on Bradley. Kit > Joe > Will > Bradley > Kizzy > Bash > Tobie.

R515 to be clear I believe they’re non-binary or use they, I just think the deliberate choice not to have them in the twitter bio might be a gotcha card.

R516 Joe’s mouth is pretty next level… not to raise it because it seems like he doesn’t care that much big I hope Marvel fixed his tooth in the three weeks between the Emmy’s and filming. I think he’s beautiful but it does tend to be one of the focuses for the trolls. I’ve always assumed it’s a bigger job than just an implant or it would have already been done

R521 he might genuinely not care much but I don’t think it’s that it’s complicated; I think he’s young and it’s in a space that shifts as the jawline gets sharper in adulthood so dentists don’t like to do it too young. Mid twenties is more common.

R517 Poor Bradley

Joe-Bash-Will-Kizzy-Kit-Bradley-Tobie

R517 he looks cute but I’m holding out judgement until the show… I like a twink but theatre gays can be a lot and he’s got that written all over him

R516 Lips are ironically why I think I rank Bash on the lower end compared to some on here. I'm huge on lips so Kit/Joe/Will immediately fly to the top for me.

R525 I get that. I like strong bone structure a lot so it balances out his lips and is why kit is the lesst attractive of the main 4 guys to me. Still good looking though (and joe is still the hottest to me)

Kit’s lips never really stand out to me when he’s in motion, and on the show I barely clocked them, but he sure does know how to pout for a photo

R525 Yeah, same. Bash is hot, but also has a weak jaw and his lips aren't great. Kit's a little boring for me and his attempts at facial hair are pretty laughable, but has nice lips. Bash on the other hand looks like he'd have no trouble getting really hairy.

They are all hot (but Joe is best)

R528 why do women seem to have no problem with neck-beard? Kit’s facial hair is fine to me and ages him up a bit but he needs to shave his neck like a grown up

R527 Really? Wow, Kit and Joe's lips were the best part of the kissing scenes to me.

I’ve always had a thing for Greek and Mediterranean guys so Bash does it for me.

R531 His dick has got to be big.

This joe appreciation is a nice change from early days DL which thought he was the ugliest twink alive. Also shows me there are more gay men in this thread than I thought to be honest

R530 I love you for admitting that. I didn’t really think of that but more when Kit’s talking and I don’t rate that half Nick Nelson smile that all the girls fawn over. But yes, good lips for kissing scenes!

Bash’s lips do not rank high but his eyes and physique make up for it and he has more sexual charisma than any of them. Joe has everything including lips that could end you. Will I find beautiful amazing lips but just not as sexy. Kit is nice looking nice lips but zero sex appeal. I may just be missing something but he doesn’t have that X factor for me like the other three do

R533 DL thinks everyone is ugly, though to be fair Joe has taken some pretty bad pictures. I wish some of them could be stricken from the internet

R535 Yeah, Joe and Bash have a pretty mature cheeky energy that’s just hot. I bet they have a lot of fun together

R528 This is really, really nitpicky, but in terms of faces and RE: Bash I agree with you on the weaker jaw and lips, and would add the hanging columella as a feature that I’m not super into. I guess those are the small details we have to hone on to rank since they’re all pretty evenly attractive and it’s going to come down to the smallest personal preferences. With Joe and Kit, I’m a big fan of their noses/lips, Joe has a great jaw, and Joe and Kit both have great slutty waists (Joe in that one photoshoot, Kit in that video where he was getting mic’d in Paris).

Joe also seems (from photos and stories pre show) like he would be an incredible flirt in real life. I can’t find it now but there’s a photo from set of him biting hs lip and pulling his T-shirt off his shoulder. I can totally see why bash was so into him from minute 1 and love and admire Joe constantly implying he didn’t make the first move. He knows he’s in demand

R538 it’s so interesting what the turnoffs for people are. I agree they’re all attractive but to me Kit’s nose is too babyish, and his skin colouring is too ruddy to me. Meanwhile I like bash’s build and nose way more and actually think his nose is one of his best features. Types are odd that way

R539 such a flirt. It also seems universal, flirts with everyone from Kit to Yaz to Rhea.

I wonder if he and Bash get propositioned together a lot. There would surely be some brave souls who have had a crack

R540 Oh, I love pale/ruddy coloring, which is funny if you knew me (I’m Latino and tan). Anyway, human beauty is a varied tapestry, they’re all hot in their own ways, etc.

R541 They would definitely pull at a gay club together and separately (as would Kit and Will), but I don't know if they're really in those situations very often. Unless they're getting propositioned via DMs or at Target?

R541 it’s funny to me because the glimpses we get of them are so wholesome like walking arm in arm, going to plays and the zoo, going to shops. But Joe is a huge flirt, bash is insanely charismatic, they’re both young, and they used to be much more blatantly horny on their stories. Plus they were making out in front of Joes mum and bash grabbed joes ass in front of his mum. They must have a really good time.

R540 I think that is quite similar to my take on Kit in part it is the baby face and pink skin tones they just don’t do it for me. Bash has the best body and his whole colour palate of skin tone, eyes and hair is heavenly. Joe is very pale like Kit but porcelain skinned not ruddy and his bone structure is on another level. And his waist I really get Bash’s preoccupation

R536 all of the trades keep using the worst ones for Agatha news. I think they are aiming for witchy but it just gives ammunition to the haters

R543 I wish they would hit the gay bars… we can be discreet…

R536 Part of the shit that Joe gets on Twitter is because big accounts always use terrible, older pictures of him when they post about him. They blatantly set him up for engagement.

The best wiccan pic for Joe would probably be number 2 in this: bitchy, witchy, he looks hot.

R548 that one does get used a bit but I don’t love it. I’m not sure why. But I do love those crop top shots, damn

I’m interested to see if Joe’s put a bit of work into his body for Marvel. He seemed to be a bit more defined at the Attitude awards then in the GQ shots (someone did the maths on here and thought the GQ spread was probably shot around June). Not much because he’s clearly playing the very young version of Billy but just enough to give his chest a bit of definition in a tight tee

R550 I wouldn't be surprised if Joe hit the gym a bit not necessarily to change his physique, but to better handle stunts and any physical work he might have to do for the show. He might have added some muscle that way.

R550 you could see his chest bones at attitude, so I don’t know how much muscle he’s put on. I’m glad marvel is letting him be a twink though.

R549 I love the crop top pics. No wonder bash is always gripping his waist. Generous of Joe to think of his preferences and wear a crop top to his birthday

R552 I wish we had got a better look at that outfit. It looked like it was probably slutty/adorable. They all good that night really. Kit obviously underdressed but it was a good look for him. Slightly sleazy suiting is where he looks hottest to me (not generally my type)

This is the most fun this thread has been in ages

R553 bash’s outfit legitimately made me laugh. I have to admire that he just goes for it

R554 Agreed, and this is obviously not a discussion we'd be able to have any other place in the Heartstopper fandom because everyone would get defensive immediately over their favorite.

In honor of this conversation, I tracked down the Kit slutty waist video and figured out how to make it a gif. Please clap.

R556 nice work!

R543 I would bet money Joe’s DMs are full of nudes

R556 I think as gays we can all respectfully agree which cast members we would like to sleep with in order of preference because it is safe to talk about actually being a homosexual here

R558 And that’s before we factor in the nudes that Rhys forwards to him in between tears.

R556 considering most of the crew of HS are queer, I think that sound guy who miked up the boys might have had the most coveted job

R560 how on earth was rhys surprised by that. I’d get it maybe if this was OKCupid but it was Grindr: Don’t put down you work on the show if you don’t want them to ask about the objectively much hotter twink who plays the lead

He’s either a dumbass or desperate. That kind of thing was only ever going to attract guys who wanted access, not anyone interested in him.

And why did he then share that with the world?!

R558 yep. He’d definitely attract that. Kit might also get them - from 35 year old women

R559 And if there are any gay men left in the Heartstopper twitter arena they should remove themselves to this space at once where they can freely state they have lost sleep over Joe’s slutty waist and perfect lips without fear of being denounced and hounded off the internet

Yes! We welcome all thirsty heartstopper gay fans to join us here

[quote] Kit might also get them - from 35 year old women

Wouldn't doubt it, but don't underestimate the Latin American gays, especially the Brazilian ones. They're extremely thirsty for Kit. It's why that Forum Pan account keeps posting him, despite Kit calling them out for crediting him and not Joe and Bash for confronting the homophobes at Pride.

R567 if they encounter homophobes at pride again this year Bash and Joe need to up the ante. A makeout would be best. Do it for the community

R568 yes - the community. tbh it would be homophobic not to

R556 with his shirt up like that you can see what Kizzy meant by Kit having a juicy butt.

R568 Very true. And now that Kit is out he owes it to the community to put his money where his mouth is by putting his mouth on Will.

Kit should get in there too… so ward against bi erasure. For the community

I do wonder if bash and Joe plan on “coming out” at some point. I agree it couldn’t be more obvious, especially now that bash is playing house husband in Atlanta, but “confirming” it. I think even in October I would’ve said no way but they’ve been remarkably unsubtle even for them since the Twitter blocking debacle in early November. Nice to see two hot twinks in love either way

R573 I don’t know. Joe gets a bit of cover from the cutsie stuff with Kit (which for the record I think is genuine - just part of the big old flirt he is). I’d love it if they did. Love to see them being cheeky on the red carpet together

Mason Deaver forgot to purge their TikTok, they're still following Bash, Will, Yaz, and Joe. No Kit though, guess they're biphobic.

R570 I always thought that he posted that to finally shut up the “don’t sexualise” crowd that were still screeching even after he posted that topless photo of himself. They pretty much went silent after that. I do think the cast do things like that to help each other out

*he posted - meaning Kit’s half naked Paris photo

R576 agreed re helping each other out. I noticed the comments on Joe’s pics, even ones he doesn’t post himself (ones photographers post), are often really glowing. Tobie commented “he is soooo cute” on a Netflix one, Kizzy calls him a beautiful boy, etc. Sweet touch given he’s bullied nonstop for his looks online.

R578 that’s clearly because we are all hiding here to scarred by previous experience to be thirsty on his photos on Insta. Always makes me sad that Kit doesn’t thirst back on Joe’s posts. I think he probably stopped because of the queer baiting nonsense and still doesn’t because of the intense shipping it might inspire

R578 Let’s not forget Bradley, who is next level horned up for joe

R579 I think Kit probably feels a tad odd that tiktok people especially but also other social media users ship him and his real life good friend and costar when he’s also very close with bash. I’ve presumed that’s part of the OTT joke online flirting he and Bash do. Kit did say in a recent interview that Joe has a really impressive jawline. I can only presume bash was in the background going “wait till you see his waist and ass.”

R581 that arse! Marvel better do right by it

R580 of all the things DL has invented, the bash and Bradley feud is by far my favourite

I hope that whenever Hulkling comes on the scene Joe has a costar to flirt with in interviews. Love him and Bash but would love to see more of that side of Joe. I think keeping up the wholesome Charlie thing all the time must be exhausting. No wonder he runs away from fans - I think he’s probably far more grown up and gay than the girl fans would be comfortable with

R579 I cut Kit some slack because I know his relationship with social media is complicated, but mostly because I like the dynamic he has with Joe in person (red carpets, interviews, the con) more than the comments he used to leave so I don't mind that loss. And the story he posted for Joe's birthday was really sweet.

R585 no shade to Kit at all. I just enjoyed the old days when they flirted more online. That being said they do seem to be getting more flirty irl in interviews. They were practically sitting on each others laps for some of the Brazilian con and their chat is much more complimentary now

R582 he really has ideal features in my opinion. Amazing sharp features, fantastic hair, good skin, really piercing eyes, a tiny waist, and zero body fat except for his ass. Bash is also really hot to me but he got lucky for sure

Can someone consider the new thread soon. I’d start it but phone absolutely hates DL. At this point if we were actually sticking to current theme the poll should be about which bit of Joe you most want to lick but that probably wouldn’t fly. Anyone got any ideas?

R588 ‘Who will get cancelled next?’

Lol it will probably be us - because all non-subscribers will be able to post again

R588 honestly let’s give the underdogs a chance, most fuckable man in the cast outside the main 4. Alternatively most fuckable man of the cast overall. Really anything that actually caters to gay men using the thread and not female Twitter teenagers.

R589 the answer will never be anyone but bash or joe

Maybe the Kit fans don’t pay? I’m not surprised that we mainly prefer Joe (I feel like I know our demographic) but I’m surprised there aren’t more Kit advocates. I think plenty of gays love him

I’m the person with the shit phone… would someone else be able to start the new thread. Sorry!

R593 honestly the most surprising thing on this thread to me is how Meh people are on bash. I thought he’d be considered the hottest. He’s my number 2, I have what I thought was the unpopular opinion that Joe is the best looking

R594 never underestimate the power of classic twink

Bash is very handsome to me and, like someone said upthread, has a lot of sexual charisma which adds to his appeal. Bash has his own thread, this one has always been more focused on Kit and Joe for obvious reasons.

Joe being the most popular or hottest by consensus is what bash would want and agree with anyway

R593 As one of the Kit advocates, I advocated today because it was in good fun but in general I honestly get more bothered by the biphobia than by him not being to everyone's taste. The biphobia's basically petered out so I've been able to have a more pleasant time on here and I think Joe deserves to be appreciated somewhere so I refuse to say anything negative about him.

Ahem.