Paramedics Charged With Murder After Strapping Patient Face Down On Gurney

How can you agree or disagree with no idea why they did what they did?

There is never a reason to have a patient face down during transport.

Yes, they should be charged with murder because they are both unattractive.

Living in Missouri ages the fuck out of people. Thanks for the confidence boost, Peter & Peggy!

Is Springfield IL in Missouri? Just curious.

Nice to see mugshot ID slates have gone digital. Chalk was so messy.

Springfield, Illinois is the capitol and is ghetto and slightly rundown. Springfield, Missouri is much larger and is full of hillbillies.

They should be charged with manslaughter and the paramedic company should be sued out of existence.

I think we can count on the lawsuits.

These are not the young hot paramedics I've fantasized about in case I ever have an emergency

[quote]There is never a reason to have a patient face down during transport.

Yeah, even if he were drunk or OD'd and they were concerned about choking from vomitting, I can't imagine anyone thinking strapping someone face down is a good idea.

The only reason might be because there was an injury which prevented being on his back or side, like wound or a knife or metal bar they didn't want to remove before reaching the hospital.

[quote] The only reason might be because there was an injury which prevented being on his back or side, like wound or a knife or metal bar they didn't want to remove before reaching the hospital.

If that were the case, shouldn't one of the two paramedics be in the back monitoring his vitals during the trip to the hospital?

Doesn’t first degree murder indicate they intended to kill him?

This was in Illinois, r4.

[quote] Doesn’t first degree murder indicate they intended to kill him?

Strapping him face-down on a gurney sounds like intent

[quote]Doesn’t first degree murder indicate they intended to kill him?

While the requirements vary:

[quote]most state penal codes require that a prosecutor establish willfulness, deliberation, and premeditation in order to convict a defendant of first-degree murder. Willfulness requires that the defendant acted with the intent to kill another person. Thus, the death cannot have been accidental. However, the prosecutor does not have to show that the defendant intended to kill that particular victim. If the defendant shoots into a crowd with the intent to kill his friend, but hits and kills a bystander instead, these facts can still support a charge of first-degree murder

It doesn't seem like they intended for him to die, so seems to fail to mee the requirements.

[quote] It doesn't seem like they intended for him to die, so seems to fail to meet the requirements.

They strapped him to a gurney face down - sounds like intent to me.

I bet he was a spitter and that’s why they strapped him in facedown.

[quote]They strapped him to a gurney face down - sounds like intent to me.

They intentionally strapped him down, but I doubt they intended for him to die. If you fire a gun into a crowd and someone died, that's first degree murder. This isn't the same thing.

That Peggy looks like a real sour puss.

[quote] They intentionally strapped him down, but I doubt they intended for him to die

That will be for a judge to decide

As the cop in the bodycam footage is helping the male EMT get the hallucinating guy into the gurney, he turns into a face-down position, and the male EMT makes no effort to turn him face-up; he just shoves him down onto the gurney, obviously angry, then straps him while he’s face-down.

The whiney tenant had said her landlord had been picked up several times in the past while going through withdrawal, but the hospital “kept releasing him.” I wonder if the same EMTs had problems with him before, which is why they acted the way they did.

I know it's cruel but imagine having Peggy staring down at you while you're fighting for your life!

Sad to see what happens when someone calls 911 in cunt city. There are a lot of magas that are emts/paramedics . We all have seen situations where magas want to teach someone outside of their in group a lesson by maiming or killing them. I have also met a few that are normal thankfully.

^^^ I have also met a few emts and paramedics that are normal. No magas fit that category

They both look considerably older than their age.

Both Springfields suck. In fact all places named Springfield are horrible.

R27 And there are far too many of them.

Isn't there a Springfield in almost every state? Feels like it.

The Andersons (Jim, Margaret, Bud, Betty and Kathy) lived on Maple Street in Springfield.

How very dare you R27!!

Answering my own question: "According to a common factoid, there's a community called Springfield in all 50 states, but the U.S. Board on Geographic Names says that's not true: only 34 states have a Springfield. The real champ is Riverside. Unless you live in Alaska, Hawaii, Louisiana, or Oklahoma, there's at least one Riverside in your state.

But even Riverside isn't the most common place name, due to in-state repeats. There are "only" 186 Riversides, but Fairview and Midway are way ahead, jockeying for the top spot. Playing around with the online Geographic Names Information System (GNIS) database, I see that at last count there were 273 places called Fairview and 257 called Midway."

[quote] In fact all places named Springfield are horrible.

Bitch!

Stupid crackas were prolly high on fetanyl.

And good lawd that is a rough 40.

Many EMTs are pill heads and not even high school graduates.

I’ve dealt with many at work and they are a motley crew. Almost as crazy as nurses.

I would be very, very afraid if I had to call EMTs for someone.

R35, 😁 😆

Charging paramedics with murder due to neglect, incompetence, or bad training is odd to me. Why do they get charged with murder while doctors and nurses get sued for malpractice?

As another example, it's clear to me that Elijah McClain died because the moron EMTs confused pounds and kilograms when dosing him with a sedative. That's a criminal case and not a civil malpractice one? Why?

Unless the officer present or someone else can offer testimony or other proof of intent to kill the poor guy, I'd think manslaughter or negligent homicide would be the appropriate charge rather than murder.

To those saying they needed intent to kill this guy, that’s not true.

Illinois Murder 1 statute includes this:

A person who kills an individual without lawful justification commits first degree murder if, in performing the acts which cause the death:

(2) he or she knows that [bold]such acts create a strong probability of death or great bodily harm[/bold] to that individual or another;

It could reasonably be argued with all the attention this issue got with the George Floyd situation, coupled with their EMT training, they knew there was a strong probability of death.

Damn! I was hoping to see a photo of this "strapping patient"! Guess my gay mind read that phrase wrong.

Also, that's a hard 50 and a harder 40.

Peggy should try and smile when her picture is taken. A frown ages you.

First Degree Murder? They intended to kill him? Sounds more like negligence. Man slaughter.

R39, and they set out, knowingly, to cause bodily harm to him, why? That’s quite a burden on the prosecution’s part.

you people don't read.

Jesus, r44!

No, they didn’t deliberately set out to harm him. But, by their actions they did and they should have known the risk of death.

R45 is right.

Peggy Gravel of Mortville

Meanwhile in Lost Angeles

Peggy , that’s a hard-looking 40, girl.

OK fine R2. But what if the patient had "slipped and fallen" onto a massive fisting size dildo which had to be surgically removed?

Why the long face, Peggy?

R37, smfh A doctor can be charged with murder too if he/she/they knowingly did something egregious. Someone should never be strapped face down. Doctors have been charged with murder. Most doctors are high IQ however and would never do anything beyond the scope of incompetence. Incompetence can make you liable for civil damages.

What they did wasn't incompetence. It was negligence, intentional, and cruel.

Local chapter of the NAACP is now getting involved, because they cannot ignore the similarities to George Floyd as the victim is Black

Springfield NAACP President Teresa Haley said she viewed police body camera footage that showed the EMS personnel lacked compassion when dealing with Moore, a Black man, and brought a hostile attitude toward him.

“For me, it’s not about him being a Black man. It could have been a white family. If we were called in, we would have the same opinion. Everyone deserves to be treated with dignity and respect,” she said.

I feel like I need to send Peggy's mugshot, $1000, and a nice card to my dermatologist thanking him for ten years of tretinoin prescriptions.

If the cops in the George Floyd case can be convicted of Murder

These two paramedics can be convicted of murder as well - there is now precedent

They put him on the Gurney with face sideways. Bet the patient turned his head into pillow and passed out. Was each EMT wearing a camera to document?

[quote]But what if the patient had "slipped and fallen" onto a massive fisting size dildo which had to be surgically removed?

One in a million shot, Doc. *wink*

But, you’d have the patient lay on his side.

R46, that’s not First Degree murder. That had to intentionally do that with the idea that by not they were going to kill him. This is negligence.

Do EMTs wear cameras?

[quote]That had to intentionally do that with the idea that by not they were going to kill him.

You want to try that again, Hoss?

While trying to run away from a hit and run, wasn't it r48?

Even a non-medical person knows to not strap a person in medical distress face down.

The Paramedics on Emergency ! were much better looking than these two.

I grew up in Springfield, OR and it was fine. A lot of names in The Simpsons were named after street signs in Portland. There are streets named Flanders and Lovejoy and Quimby and Simpson itself!

"An Aurora police officer who was on duty and drunk when he passed out while driving his department car in 2019 has been promoted. Nathan Meier was promoted to detective on Dec. 24...The position pays $110,399, a $10,000 raise from his previous job."

R60 is a retard.

Why would they do this on purpose? Are they serial killers? It’s incompetence. They don’t even prosecute doctors for First Degree Murder when they do shit during surgery that they should know they shouldn’t. It’s always medical malpractice.

What reason did they give for doing this?

R68 None

Springfield Illinois is the state Capitol. This sets it apart from other US Springfields

One of the Paramedics (Finley) is heard yelling at Moore to get up and walk out to the ambulance. “You’re gonna have to walk ‘cause we ain’t carrying you!” she says. “I am seriously not in the mood for this dumb sh*t.”

According to the coroner’s autopsy report, Moore died of “compressional and positional asphyxia due to prone facedown restraint on a paramedic transportation cot/stretcher by tightened straps across back and lower body in the setting of lethargy and underlying chronic alcoholism.”

That's what I want to know too R68 and the answer is suspiciously absent.

Why did they decide to place the patient face down? Was there a medical reason or justification?

I've gone through alcohol withdrawal. It's hell. Absolute hell and everything is difficult. Like walking to the bathroom feels like climbing Everest. The shakes were so intense, I couldn't even operate a remote control. I would't wish it on my worst enemy.

Poor guy was no doubt losing his mind.

Be interesting to hear more facts as they come out.

You're lucky you didn't die R73. Very dangerous thing to do without medical support.

If he was having trouble walking, why didn't they just take the stretcher to him? As soon as he was on it they could have wheeled him to the ambulance. Unless he had to come down steps, in which case they could have walked each side and steadied him down them.

I feel for you, r73.

I know it doesn’t mean much coming from some anonymous dude on the innerwebs, but I’m proud of you.

Do they still have a rock n roll Hardees’ on Stevenson Drive?

R76, that's sweet. But it was years ago and totally my own doing. My poor choices. Just something I had to get through. Which I did, thank goodness.

The point of my post was that the man who died was probably hard to handle because he had zero response time to whatever they asked of him. Not because he wanted to be difficult. But because his body was shutting down. I could see how the EMTs might be annoyed by that.

But I would assume they were used to that sort of thing given their occupation.

Also, whatever issues the man had? It would seem to me to be impossible for it to be belligerence, violent tendencies, etc. That just doesn't happen when detoxing. You don't have the strength to fight. It's like the opposite of being drunk.

Again, I'll be very interested to hear more facts.

They're either idiots or psychotics.

Why couldn't they just be polite and take care of him properly, like they're paid to? Exactly what is it they think their jobs entail? Nobody gets paid to swear at vulnerable people and harass them, much less kill them.

I don’t think this case will get very far. They will argue that the patient was thrashing and wild and needed to be restrained for safe transport. He didn’t follow commands or cooperate to lie on his back so they restrained him in the position he moved himself into. And it was only the two of them, not like in a hospital ER where there are more people around to help reposition someone who is out of control.

Now, whether they properly monitored him after that is another question, and is probably more negligence than murder.

Manslaughter charges are more likely to stick

The female EMT is crossing her arms in defiance when posing for her mugshot

That really says it all

Civil Rights Attorney Ben Crump is now representing the family of Earl L. Moore Jr. and has filed a wrongful death suit against the two EMTs & the ambulance service

Family speaks to CBS News and says Earl Moore was treated like an animal, just dumped on the gurney face-down as the video shows

R85 I do not immediately believe them. I’ll be interested to see how it plays out in the court system.

People get charged with a crime for the least little thing these days.

Hell yes they should be charged. They should go right to fucking jail. Outrageous.

So you’re not too big on that whole trial by jury thing, huh?

Hi knee jerk reaction r88

Hey there R90.

Has any justification been revealed about why they were so cunty with the poor guy from the get-go? Walking him to the ambulance or taking the stretcher to him weren't too much to ask. Nor was displaying some care and concern for his condition. His poor family must feel so terrible about calling for help. Guilt on top of grief is unbearable.

I don't think the cops present did the right thing. They could have encouraged the bitch paramedic to take the gurney into the house, help Earl onto it face UP and between all of them, roll it through the rooms/carry it down the stairs.

They enabled those cunt paramedics treating a suffering man like shit. There was no good reason to make him get up and walk through the house, down the stairs and into the yard. Never mind being spoken to by that bitch like he was a piece of shit from the get-go.

The years weren’t kind to Peggy. Mother has 20 years on her and looks more youthful.

Peggy is upset!

[quote]Has any justification been revealed about why they were so cunty with the poor guy from the get-go?

Three guesses.

[quote]Has any justification been revealed about why they were so cunty with the poor guy from the get-go? Walking him to the ambulance or taking the stretcher to him weren't too much to ask. Nor was displaying some care and concern for his condition. His poor family must feel so terrible about calling for help. Guilt on top of grief is unbearable.

I suspect this was a guy they had dealt with on several previous occasions when he had drunk himself into multiple alcoholic stupors.