What is up with that one troll that keeps calling Joseph Cotten a homophobe for making a bitchy comment to Don Bachardy?

I also am sick of the whole "who was gay positive in old Hollywood" threads calling people like Bette Davis and Joan Crawford homophobes because they used 2022 no-no words. Come the fuck on! Very few people in that industry were meaningfully gay hating in their interactions with others, which is what counts. It was mostly that Catholic armada, and even those women were friends with people like Billy Haines and Cesar Romero. You cannot apply modern (idiotic, IMO) definitions of homophobia to people who were born or lived nearly 100 years ago.

who?

a friend took me once to santa monica to visit c isherwood and his bf mr bachardy , they were nice, isherwood was all into buddha and his bf was uh cute.....seemed like a lovely man.

Please don't say 'gay'. It wounds. You are a queer.

[quote] Isherwood's diaries go into great detail about how much Monty Clift and Tennessee Williams loathed his partner.

“Don Bachardy” certainly sounds like someone with insufferable and permanent Resting Twink Face.

wasnt don a boytoy when the elder chris met/hooked up with him?

We have people on here who have told single nasty anecdotes about a variety of celebrities for years, always without any evidence whatsoever. It's a weird mix of celebs, too; one of them is a fake story about Joel Hodgson of MST3K putting his first wife in the hospital. The guy who made a similar rumor up about Danny Elfman all but admitted he just made it up but didn't care because supposedly these fake rumors are "what DL is all about" or something.

ide have blown bachardy when i met him in 77 but he dint want my chicken mouth....

There was a great documentary about Christopher and Don a few years back. Don was a cute young thing but it was unsettling to see them together - Don looked like Isherwood’s (young) child.

Lita Ford

Oops, wrong thread

don was trade on the boulevard? looks it.

R1- Cesar Romero was friends with Desi Arnaz’s

COCK 🍆

lucy watched.

Doesn't Bachardy affect a robust British accent? So cringeworthy.

Cesar Romero hired boy toys to throw orange slices at his naked ass.

I wonder if some of the bitchy comments about Bachardy from the likes of Williams and Clift mostly due to snobbery, as Bachardy wasn't a "creative person" and therefore not worthy of their attention.

Don Bacardi was a gold-digger.

Joseph Cotten had crinkly hair and flew on the coat-tails of Selznick and Welles..

Yes, his hair was crinkly! Good catch!

Joseph Cotten propositioned my father in the late ‘40s in Hollywood. He was at least bi.

But, R20, why was father hanging around questionable people like him?

R1 thinks modern definitions of homophobia are idiotic. Probably because he's a self-hating Republican who hates that his fellow Republicans are called homophobic

R17 It probably was, and also likely the same reason he got flack from Cotten. It’s bizarre to me that Bachardy thinks it was for any other reason. He was practically a teenager with nearly zero creative merits (he didn’t get recognized as a visual artist until the 60s) thrown into a world of extremely creative and accomplished older men.

R20 Interesting! I’ve also read some hearsay over the years about the exact nature of the relationship between him and Orson Welles and numerous people have made the claim that it had a sexual aspect at some points. Not really hard to believe for me, mostly because I find it hawt….

Y'all know you're describing Poo Shoes, right? She never talks anymore about how she was Jorje Kl00neez protegee and paramour. But she has switched to Hollywood gossip diarrhea, among other topics.

[quote]wasnt don a boytoy when the elder chris met/hooked up with him?

They were together for 30 years, I'd hardly call it a hookup

Don Bachardy is not "a creative person"?

He's an internationally recognized portrait artist who has his work in (among other places) the permanent collections of the Metropolitan Museum, the Smithsonian, the National Portrait Gallery in London, the Fogg Museum at Harvard, and the Huntington Library.

R26 He wasn’t in the 1950s….when he would have known all these men.

Don Bachardy has said that of all the celebrities he did portraits of, Bette Davis was his favorite. She was half drunk and chain smoking when she sat for him.

I don't care about this undocumented historical spat between two dead men.

Then why are you on this thread, r29?

R30 Because I'm hoping some eldergay might have some credible anecdote linking the uninteresting Cotten with the more talented Welles and their contract with Selznick.

How many times did Cotten actually visit the Isherwood household? Once? Twice?

Joseph Cotten was a failure in The Third Man

He always got sloppy seconds.

He had crinkly hair and got second billing to Joan Fontaine.

If he got top billing you knew the picture was a 'B Picture'. Hitchcock wanted an unexciting 'ordinary man' to pair up with Teresa Wright in his very small movie about unexciting ordinary Americans.

I actually like him a lot in The Third Man. He’s more of a reliable secondary lead/supporting actor than a star. Not ever very exciting, but always necessary because a star can’t just play off themselves. He was paired so often with the much more boring and mediocre Jennifer Jones. Now there’s a nearly completely forgotten major star.

It’s interesting how he didn’t get to reprise two Broadway roles he originated when they were adapted into now iconic films: the Cary Grant role in The Philadelphia Story and the Humphrey Bogart role in Sabrina.

[quote] major star.

She was a major star in movies financed by her husband.

My favorite of his performances is "Shadow of a Doubt." It's one of the few films aside from his work with Welles where he's paired with actors up to his level: Teresa Wright, as the niece who learns to grow up very quickly, and Patricia Collinge, as his sweet, adoring sister.

[quote] he's paired with actors up to his level

What does that mean?

You're acknowledging that Welles was at a higher level and that Cotten was usually cast with actors below his level?

R21, what do you mean by “questionable people”?

R36 I read that comment as meaning what you said. Orson Welles was a better actor (I think he's actually underrated as an acting talent compared to the due praise his directing gets) than almost everyone Cotten co-starred with. I am a BIG Bette Davis and Ingrid Bergman fan, but I think Welles was a better actor than both.

The only Cotten co-star that was better than Welles was Barbara Stanwyck, and they sadly only made a very forgettable movie together.

I'm the one offering up negative comments on Cotten's performances over the decades.

But I got some pleasure from him in this strange, cold drama.

Both he and Paul Scofield had the same crinkly hair and pleasant curved nose