Part III: All the revelations from Harry's spare

Two things stuck with me: first, he claimed I gather he's good with Camilla but he's not... his language about her in the past was very accusatory near as I can tell. He didn't temper it, he added no qualifiers to let her off the hook. He just put it out there. Which matters to the extent of his father's reaction. Camilla was a big of a darkhorse in these attacks: all the emphasis was on William but, in ITV especially, he was brutal to Camilla. So where does that leave his father now?

Second, I don't see a path back, specious as Harry's claims are he wants one. You could get over all kinds of emotional bad behaviour, but how to do any of them trust him again? Trust is the hardest thing to repair. You can forgive a lot, but not betrayal. Harry didn't need to go as far as he did, but he did. How does anyone trust him again? He's ruined himself.

(Actually, they're both ruined. Her only hope now is to find a billionaire dumber than her millionaire, because her brand is worth fuck all to anybody with a brain.)

William = Ash

Kate = Misty

Meghan = Jessie

Harry = James

Guy the beagle = Meowth

The Crown = Pikachu

Well, maybe she could get a place on the View or similar? They do need to make a living (at least until Charles dies and a bigger inheritance comes along?). The podcast and kid's book were dull, but if she put out something less high-minded, she might be able to generate an income stream. Fame/notoriety goes a long way in selling stuff.

Hilary Rose, as ever, boils them down to glue, but this time with precision more than sarcasm:

Physical violence is obviously never a cause for self-congratulation, unless you’re flying a helicopter and aiming at foreigners. But after enduring 90 minutes of Prince Harry droning on, I thought: William, I’d have thumped him too. Goodness but he’s irritating. Petty, pious, paranoid, delusional, with an ego both monstrous and fragile, the nation’s formerly favourite cheeky chappie has turned into a rather pathetic middle-aged man wanging on about his beard. He claims to be a humanitarian and philanthropist but he can’t get beyond his own face. It’s almost as if staring at your navel, and holding grudges for years, and talking about yourself in therapy, and complaining on TV about how awful your gilded life has been, isn’t very good for your character and doesn’t make you happy. Perhaps he should try stacking shelves on the night shift instead. Maybe that would.

Tom Bradby asked some decent questions but largely let Harry swerve answering them. The result is vague statements about who cares what, nonsense allegations, endless grievances and then back to some perceived slight in 1994 and the beard. Moving to the other side of the world, dumping his friends and trashing his family was clearly worth it for the chance to speak his truth about facial hair. It’s “almost like a shield to my anxiety” he says at one point. Good grief.

The fact is that, like many other people, his parents got divorced and he lost his mum when he was young. His family was dysfunctional and his dad wasn’t much of a hugger. You might think that an expensive education, first-class travel, the chance to spend months on end in Africa, as he said in the Netflix doc, free accommodation in gorgeous buildings and never needing to earn a living might make life bearable. Apparently not. No stone is left unturned, no confidence is left unbroken in his quest for what, exactly? He didn’t even believe William when he looked him in the eye, invoked their mother’s life and told him he just wanted him to be happy. Kudos to William; I’d have told him to sod off long ago.

Meghan and Kate evidently didn’t get on from the start, but there we are. They’re very different people. I don’t believe, as Harry claims, that it was anything to do with Meghan being a divorced American, or that William and Kate were prejudiced by what they read in the press. They’d met her, they could form their own conclusions and they were evidently not exactly in tandem with Harry’s.

My personal favourite moment was when he said that he and his wife were dedicated to a life of service, and it was never about making money. Of course it wasn’t. Thank heavens money and mansions and private jets were just a happy by-product of your selfless endeavours helping others. Perhaps all those people at your wedding you’d barely met, like Oprah and the Clooneys, were only there because they were more photogenic than your friends, and not because they might help you to make money and build a brand.

We talk about the importance of working on yourself, because Harry obviously thinks he’s a tremendous advert for the benefits of therapy. He says something about how much money he has spent on lawyers trying to reconcile with his family, because lawyers are definitely the best way to do that. In an interview overflowing with bonkers self-delusion, he claims that a reconciliation between him and his family would have a ripple effect across the entire world, and in Ukraine people said, “Yes, Harry, we definitely give a shit.” He’s still pissed off that William didn’t want to hang out with him when he arrived at Eton. Imagine.

If Harry’s aim with all this was to burn Buckingham Palace to the ground, I fear it’s backfired. He thinks he’s some kind of avenging angel, but he’s really just a naughty boy. He tells Bradby at the end that he’s happy. He’s got a funny way of showing it.

She's too massively disliked r3. She's toxic to any brand.

Where does it go from here? Their business partners now understand the kind of revenue they generate when they're not attacking the royal family. Their attacks on the royal family don't generate any support from anyone who counts. Do they sit in Montecito clinging to Twitter or do they have full reports of what backfire this has been? And what do they do now? Rely on their talents?

That's what I want to know R6 more than finding out how the RF is reacting - how are MM and PH reacting to the public mockery and almost universal disdain? Do they know about it? Are they only reading Sussex stan accounts? Even Shola was mad ab the Susan Hussey remarks. What are the staff at Archewell thinking today ?

Who's Shola? Or dare I ask.

God I love Hilary Rose. Does she write about other subjects, outside of the royals?

He is now saying that the comment about the baby was not racist and it was just the media making it seem as if the RF was racist for asking about the skin color of the baby.

WTF?

They were definitely trying to imply racism in the Oprah interview.

Such a sad coincidence all this happened last night, with Kate's birthday being today.

R4 [quote] He claims to be a humanitarian and philanthropist, but can’t get beyond his own face.

OMG. Where has Hilary Rose been all my life?

😂

Meghan left hunky Cory Vitiello for Harry?

They need to guest on “Fantasy Island.” It’s the one show that does old school stunt casting with guest stars. “The couple who has everything wants to know what’s missing from their life…”

Next, “Real Housewives of Montecito.” Trust me, there are some loony bitches who live in that area. I’d actually watch that, and I gave up RHoNY in season 2.

R8 Remember that black female academic who said she hoped the Queen had a painful death. Shouty Shola is our version of her…but worse and every single day. Deeply unpleasant woman.

If Tom Markle should die, would Meghan attend his funeral?

but where does this Shouty Shola live? Here? Or does she just get out of the pasture and wander in here from time to time?

They seem like the types who are surrounded by yes men, so they’re not being given honest advice about how all of this is coming across to the public.

The only place left for them is The Housewives at this point.

'But there's no version of me being ever able to get out of this. I was stunned that my family would allow security to be taken away, especially at the most vulnerable point for us.'

He was 'stunned', eh? He and his missus were no longer working members of the BRF, and no longer living in the UK. Hence, the govt-paid security was yanked. There was little to no need for it.

His paranoia is enormous. How was that the 'most vunerable' point for he and Meghan? They were living in a secluded mansion in Vancouver, then in Tyler Perry's enormous private spread, then in Montecito on a walled estate. They were also making enough money to pay for some security themselves - how much did they think they needed? It sounds like they expected Head-of-State levels. Perhaps if they weren't so aggrandizing and good at getting themselves poor media coverage, they wouldn't feel so exposed.

Andrew's daughters had their paid security pulled years ago. Anne, Andrew and Edward only had/have it when they do royal events or work -they don't have it at home, and they're QEII's children. Andrew no longer has it at all - why should Harry feel he's entitled to it?

Impressions from Jennie Bond, who on the BBC royal beat for years (in the paper that shall not be linked:)

Meanwhile royal expert Jennie Bond commented: 'I feel incredibly sorry for him. Watching 90 minutes of Harry on television, I still found him likeable.

'I have huge sympathy for what he went through, obviously everyone does. There were still glimmers of the old Harry, here and there.

'But then, he suffers from what I honestly think is near delusion in his damaged state against the press.'

'Everything is the fault of the press and he is so vitriolic about it, he just cannot seem to move on from that, and it' understandable given his mother's death. I understand that.

'But so much of what he said conflicted and contradictory. He allowed his family to be hung out to dry on an accusation of racism, which Harry says now he never says and wasn't true.

'That's in my view, unforgivable.

'He seems a little bit deluded about the fact he wants to save the UK from the evil, evil press and if there's a reconciliation between himself and the family, that will ripple through the world and bring peace to the world.

'Some extraordinary thoughts are coming out of that youngish man's head.'

'I thought he and William were close. I don't think it's quite right that he has given away so much of William's private thoughts, feelings and torment.

'William has chosen to deal with his mother's death privately, Harry has chosen a different way but when Harry says, this is my story to tell...that's fine Harry, but you've also told everyone else's stories.

'I don't think that is the correct way to go about it.'

'We were told by the palace, he was fine, he was the mischievous one. he wasn't fine, he was never fine. He wasn't that fine in childhood and after his mother died, he was not fine.'

I'm still struggling with Eugenie today. She was friendly to him... photographed together in LA at that football game, and then he takes an unnecessary run at her father. How does she feel now?

R1 agree. I was certain the book would be little more than a navel gazer on grief and life under constant media scrutiny. With lots of Meghan worship… and a few vague potshots at his family just to increase sales.

I’m stunned at the number and pettiness of family attacks. Why would anyone in his family ever forgive or trust him? The fact that he’s even floating the idea of reconciliation demonstrates his utter divorce from reality.

R21, She’s probably taken a few runs at him herself.

Do we have an accurate account of how much $$ they’ve made from Netflix and Spotify. The $100 million is bullshit, of course.

How desperate are they for money that he had to write this book?

This book will keep the Palace's trollfarm busy for the next year at least.

I saw an article on Us magazine and one of the questions was why, if they left their official duties, they didn't give up their titles. Harry snipped back, "What difference would it make?"

The follow-up observation is that while he would always be Prince Harry of the UK, she would no longer be a duchess, and how would she be able to monetize just being "Princess Harry"?

Why not simply agree to use their titles on their many visits to the UK?

What I wonder is what The Mail does next? Because they're not going to let up.

R11 coincidence? Ha!

Further, I'm not sure who I'd rather have mad at me, The Mail or the Taliban.

R16 doubt we’ll have to wait too long to find out. Has he been heard from since his massive stroke?

She didn’t visit him then. But I wouldn’t put it past her to break out her widow weeds and make his death about her.

R31, Didn’t he publicly say the other day that he would not be reading “Spare”?

R32 . . .

This is Harry's therapist for everyone wondering why he is still so messed up.

He was look much thinner at the end of their relationship.. R13.

They were both looking sloppy.

His gripes are all so petty. I sort of understand how someone really stupid and living in a bubble might overestimate their own hardship, but what about Meghan? She had a very comfortable upbringing, but she was living in the real world, had to hustle. And her mom’s mystery years must have been hard on her. Granted, losing a parent to a violent death and the aftermath must have been awful, but the way they fetishize Diana negates any sympathy that would have engendered in me.

Charles and Camilla gave up personal stories about the boys in exchange for favorable press (this seems credible)? OK, that’s bad. But I can see them justifying it as being for the good of the monarchy and the stories being trivial kid stuff. IOW, it’s a lapse in ethics, judgement, loyalty, and parental responsibilities, but I can see myself making a similar bad call if I were in their shoes. It’s bad, though. Everything else? A big nothing burger.

Kate wanted an apology for being accused of having baby brain? I’d like more context, but that does seem obnoxious. If someone you don’t like does something rude and stupid, the last thing a normal person wants is to drag it out. If you don’t care about them maybe you bitch about it and hold it against them, but you only revisit it with the other person if you care about them. Unless you are deliberately fucking with them. So I think either Kate was in the wrong or Meghan said it as a way to discredit Kate’s recollection of something they disagreed on - “No, it’s YOUR turn to visit the methadone clinic. You just don’t remember because you have baby brain.”

With all his whining and complaining, those are the only things he has asserted that make anyone else look bad. And the Kate thing is odd, but pretty trivial. I could come up with many more gripes about my family and I consider myself pretty lucky. Isn’t it typical to have gripes about your family similar in severity to Harry’s? Does he not realize that?

If it happened as described the subtext seems to be Kate was, in terms DL can relate to, stating her boundaries. She didn't like or intend to indulge Markle's over familiarity. Royal or not, that's fair. How it was expressed... we'll never know but I know who I'd give the benefit of the doubt.

I don't believe for a second that both Harry and Meghan didn't both regularly leak to the press too. They are projecting.

Plus, by the time this happened, however it happened, whatever happened with Kate drove by me and didn't give me a ride had happened... and hit the press.

They saw Meghan.

I don’t know. Kate sounds like a cold bitch tbh.

Oh, R41? How does she sound it?

Diabetic chess piece at R41.

Kate and Meghan both sound like assholes in the “baby brain” vignette.

Meghan was doing her lower-class “blurter” routine. It’s also a way of calling someone stupid, so it’s quite rude. It could also be viewed as a subtle dig at Kate’s brood mare lifestyle (at the time Meghan was child-free snd skate was on her third.)

Kate should have replied with a frosty “Excuse me?” and then let that be the end of it. Having William demand an apology makes Kate look like a whiny child.

[quote]when Harry says, this is my story to tell...that's fine Harry, but you've also told everyone else's stories.

Beautiful!

Regarding the post about security at R19: "my family would allow security to be taken away" (Harry speaking), then from the poster, "They were also making enough money to pay for some security themselves - how much did they think they needed?" This all speaks to his particular way of being warped. I don't think it has to do with whether they can afford it themselves or even really need it.

He wants the BRF to acknowledge how super-special and vulnerable he is, and complaining about security, pretending they're in danger of being killed without it and nobody cares! -- this is all about his being spoiled and yet rife with rage and abandonment issues. It's not whether he can get his own security; he wants the BRF to give it to him. He uses the security issue to express all those feelings, and I don't think he realizes that's what it's really about.

Kate is just BRITISH. British are cold, but only relative to Americans who are like big, stupid Golden Retrievers. Megan was clearly a pest, who the fuck borrows lip gloss from fucking royalty? What a cunt! And the baby-brain comment is 100% passive aggressive, any woman will tell you that you would never say that to another woman unless there is implicit trust and intimacy, which they did NOT have.

Harry on Great-Aunt Margaret:

She's also said to be shy. So the great Hollywood star barrelling in might have been a bit much. Or a lot much.

R44, Harry is probably not the most reliable narrator.

Perhaps she was just always on the verge of restraining herself from "hounding Meghan for an autograph"? LOL.

Is Harry sure it wasn't Spongebob they were crazy about? I mean, that would explain the confusion.

[QUOTE]who the fuck borrows lip gloss from fucking royalty?

Megan is just as "royal" as Kate is. It is obnoxious to ask to borrow lip gloss, but Kate was stupid to let her use any.

Harold asserts Chas and Cam gave up "personal stories," but what happened was Cam's secretary stupidly mentioned something about William to her husband, who said it to someone else, and it made its way to the papers. The secretary admitted it, apologized and resigned. Harold is a liar so I would not believe anything he says without getting the other side.

R593 I agree 100% that Diana would have been the mother-in-law from hell. I think Kate would have been able to negotiate a truce, although it would be William doing the heavy lifting. There would have been several explosive arguments between mother and son as William set down boundaries. Diana would have been hurt that her champion William took his wife’s side over his mother’s. When the adorable and photogenic grandchildren came along, Diana would have fallen in line and focused on spending time with them. Diana and Meghan is more difficult to imagine because I can’t imagine Harry being so emotionally stunted he stayed single long enough to meet her.

All of the idiots pr, books, interviews have just fast tracked being the gold medal winners of laughingstocks.

LSA is turning on them since Harry's backtracking of the racism claims. They are so dumb. They had some modicum of support from who those who automatically side with whoever's the most oppressed in every situation and they are now blowing that to shit.

That story from r47’s link is great. I wonder how Margaret would’ve reacted to a “barefoot and in torn jeans” Meghan hugging her and saying “Hi! I’m Meghan!”

Would Margaret have graciously shared her lip gloss when asked to?

I'm not so sure Diana would have been the mother in law from hell, had she lived. Diana's principal driver was love (whatever her failings as a mother it underpinned her relationship with her boys, it compelled her haphazard love and sex life and thwarted, it manifested in her torture of her husband) and Diana's principal preoccupation was Diana herself (and I don't mean that unkindly but Diana did a lot of crazy shit to fill the lonely hours... but she did nothing to suggest she didn't accept her boys were growing up... she agreed to boarding school, after all. Diana knew the form.) The prevailing view at the time of her death was that Diana was in the very, very, very, very early stages of coming to terms with everything and sorting herself out (it was loose ends, like the summer holidays, where she acted foolishly again.) But even she and Charles were managing to form a tentative rapprochement, so I'm not convinced over time she would have filled the voids in her life by trying to run her boys. Nor am I sure they'd have let her. One living mother, possibly a pain in the ass, provokes less guilt and idealization than does one dead at 36.

If there were no dead Diana, all bets are off on where life would have taken any of them. You cannot predict who would have done what, with any certainty. Would an aging (hopefully maturing) Diana have found another husband or purpose or both? Would Charles have been able to marry Camilla? Would William have gravitated toward a woman of Kate's character and background? Might Harry's screws not have loosened quite so catastrophically? Would Meghan Markle be #3 in sales for November, 2017 in the greater San Fernando Valley?

R58, not before poisoning it.

r47 Harry says that Margaret once gave him a biro (ballpoint) pen one year, for Christmas, at Sandringham. It had a "tiny rubber fish wrapped around it", so it was suitable for kids. He says "that is cold-blooded". Huh? the gifting of the pen or the rubber fish? What's his beef there - anyone? It's literally a beef with everyone, every day with him it seems.

Cheap, sure. Contemptuous, probably. Cold-blooded? Who was his editor? (Rhetorical question.)

The Maul has a reconstructed text exchange between Kate and Meghan during the dust up before the wedding, supposedly taken from Harry's book. If you're to believe Harry's account, Kate was a bit testy and perhaps over-reaching her bounds - she argued about having the bridesmaid dresses re-made rather than altered, and also was advising Meghan on the page boys. But she'd also just given birth to Louis barely weeks prior, she was probably tired and exhausted.

Harry claims to have come home that day to find Meghan "sobbing in a heap on the floor" over it all. Mary!! Pre-wedding issues and a dust-up with your tired/snotty SIL do not excuse you to fall apart at the seams in that way. I laughed out loud, rather than felt sorry for her. Does Harry realize how silly and over-delicate he makes them both sound?

For most of us, it’s a “bond with my fellow man— we’ve all got old, cheap relatives” experience. Maybe we even trade funny stories about it.

But Harry apparently thinks he was being victimized. For him, it’s very, very serious.

Hardly r52. She was not "just as royal" as Kate she wasn't even married then.

According to the Kitty Kelley book on the Royal Family, Margaret once gave one of her ladies in waiting a toilet brush for Christmas because she noticed it was missing in her bathroom, and she gave her dresser a large magnet so she wouldn’t keep dropping pins on the floor.

Her gifts were crappy but had meaning and purpose. So that biro pen was her way of telling Harry he’s absurd and disposable.

R64 was re Old Auntie Margaret

If Kate told Meghan the dresses needed to be re-made, that’s pretty cunty.

Why was Kate butting into the wedding preparations?

Meghan annoys the living shit out of me, but I’ve always gotten a stealth bitch vibe from Kate.

Can't believe a terse exchange about bridesmaid dresses is still headline news nearly FIVE YEARS after it happened

Markles is the common snake demoniator in this abject mess.

During HLM’s reign the royal family exchanged joke gifts at Christmas (I remember reading that someone once gave the late Queen a novelty shower cap). Margaret was just sticking to tradition, something of which even Dimwit would have been aware.

He really is scraping the barrel with these vignettes.

Meghan wanted the dresses to be shortened. If so, Kate wanted them to wear tights - as shortening could show the little girl's privates when they moved around. Team Kate on this one.

Harry and Meagan knew Kate's due date when they announced their engagement. They chose a date for their wedding that gave Kate little recovery time from giving birth. Bitch move. Kate looked pale and not well at the wedding. Most women would. Hard to forgive that one.

Basically, I think William and Kate are arrogant, and stubborn and have embraced old school Royal ways.

Harry and Meghan are narcissists and manipulators. Especially Meghan. Master manipulator. Harry laps up and believes anything she says. But basically - Harry was destroyed the day Diana died. His father and the Queen thought telling him to have a stiff upper lip was all he needed to move on. Prince Philip took them hunting. Now that's some terrific grief counseling for a little boy. Otherwise, he was basically alone.

I can't stand Charles and Camilla. I gave them a chance, by ye gods. it's all gone to their Royal heads. They are insufferable. Anything they decide is okay with God because they are the chosen ones.

I've had enough. I really hope they all shut up.

Did anyone listen to this NPR episode with the guy who wrote a book about his experience of working as a maitre de at upscale restaurants in NYC? He tells the story of Meghan and her assistant acting like entitled assholes at one of the restaurants. Can't remember all the details but had think they showed up early and insisted on being seated. No table was ready so fit was thrown.

He suggested they wait at the bar until table ready. They said no because didn't he know who she was? She was dating a prince! She couldn't sit at the bar because she'd be pounced on by all the people who wanted to meet her. He was unmoved.

They sat at the bar. No one recognized them and she was unmolested.

The poster in the previous thread claiming that most Commonwealth countries are becoming republican and will want out is talking out of his arsehole.

Here in NZ we have had polls on this exact topic and, overwhelmingly, citizens want to stay in the Commonwealth. Stop talking about issues you know fuck all about.

If Diana had lived for years after the divorce, Charles would probably never have married Camilla. It would have been too unpopular. She might have remained his companion, but she never would have had an official role or title.

R74 There are also several countries who've joined the Commonwealth who had no previous colonial ties to Britain. Mozambique and Rwanda to name just two. It's so much more than just an Anglo sphere of influence.

TY, R74.

R76, I mean.

You know about the texts... Harry was doing the choosing. Has he provided all the texts? Texting by its nature isn't really a good indicator of anybody's attitude - it is brief and necessarily clipped. It comes down to who you trust.

R72, I would only point out when it comes to all shutting up that Harry is the only one doing any talking about this mess. Which he created.

The account in the Mail really does portray Kate as a bitch in the texts. But who knows what’s true since Harry Id doing the telling.

If the dress was gigantic on Charlotte then it probably HAD to be remade as it was too big to be altered.

I'd also put money on Meghan giving the wrong measurements to the dressmaker out of spite.

R81, based on the texts, their relationship, such as it was, had gone ice-cold by the time of the wedding. There probably had been earlier incidents between the two.

R79 I am no fan of Meghan--not by a long shot--but even though those texts were carefully cherry picked to make Kate look bad, there's enough truth there to make Kate look bad.

I mean....who cares if a toddler's dress is baggy? She wasn't the bride. I doubt all those kids' dresses needed to be completely redone 4 days before the wedding per Kate. And what 3 year old--apart from a future DLer--cries over a baggy dress? Kate's obviously a perfectionist to a fault.

In any event, I've been a bridesmaid several times. You just shut the hell up, wear whatever the bride wants you to wear, and try to keep her from committing suicide.

So score one for Meghan.

But Kate certainly wins the war.

Those are recreations of texts according to Harry’s “truth” - I wouldn’t necessarily place too much credence on their accuracy.

R84, royaling, though, is about ceremonies and appearances. It's about getting the details right. This wasn't just a wedding; it was going to be a world-wide event. It was an advertisement for the Firm.

[quote]I mean....who cares if a toddler's dress is baggy? She wasn't the bride

Whose dress was baggy too, come to that. I guess everybody should have looked sloppy that day.

Score one for sloppy ass Meg, who didn't give a flying fuck what her wedding party looked like at the £30M taxpayer spectacle!

What a load of nonsense, r86. A private text conversation between two sisters-in-law disagreeing about kids' clothing does not make Kate "look bad". Every family has this kind of stuff, it's mundane.

The people who look bad are the ones who kept the text messages and published them in a book for the entire world to see, and without the permission of the other sister-in-law - especially when they have taken the press to court for violating their privacy by publishing private correspondence and this book is supposedly part of a campaign against press abuses.

And let's not even get into the question of whether these texts are quoted accurately. Harry isn't exactly a reliable source.

“Charlotte put on the dress and is crying.” Classics passive aggressive. Not. “Hi the dress doesn’t fit so what can we do about it?” Instead “You have made my child cry so I hope you feel bad.” That’s what I mean by cold. Just passive. They both sound awful at this point.

The Daily Mail quotes a text allegedly sent by Meghan where she uses the British spelling "mums". Unless Meghan was deliberately using British spelling, if the DM is quoting the texts accurately, that right there is an example of intervention in the texts for the purposes of the book.

Both sound testy in the texts, if you can even believe those are 100% correct. Before my sister got married, she and my grandma had a blow out fight and both started crying. I can't even remember why. It's a stressful time and it's not a big deal since everyone knows that. Not even adding that Meghan's wedding was a much bigger event and Kate had just given birth. You don't need to be that upset for years about it and write about it like it's some awful event.

Has nothing to do with being royalty, R52. It has to do with basic hygiene, which apparently Meghan never learned.

R91, it’s likely that by this point Catherine thoroughly disliked Meghan, and with reason. Meghan was known to have repeatedly bullied her own staff, something Catherine has never been accused of doing.

Kate has two quirky traits traits - a willingness to flash her ass (which she got a lot of grief for at one point) and an obsession with being thin - to the point where it’s pretty obvious she often dresses to look as thin as possible over looking as good as possible or being as comfortable as possible. These are really minor issues, but they are her issues and I can easily imagine the length of her daughter’s dress and how flattering or unflattering it was being triggers for her. That said, the texts sound stilted and I doubt they are verbatim.

Also, the DM article has a hysterical quote:

[quote] Harry told the interviewer: 'It's so petty but the bridesmaids' dresses. While I was writing the book we were on version 29 or 30, all of which involved my wife supposedly making numerous people within my family cry which simply wasn't the case. For historical reference the truth needs to be there and it needs to come from me.'

Charlotte's dress was several sizes too big with a billowing uneven skirt, perfect for the Duchess of Cunt's joke wedding.

The Times review (The Times must collectively deplore them) is a laugh riot of piss taking. It is surprisingly empathetic about the connection between his mother's death and his life long (and continuing) fuckedupedness. Selected giggles:

The other part is sensitive if dim (his father, Charles, once described him as not being “the family scholar”), nature-mystic Harry who believes a medium might help him contact Princess Diana and that singing to seals might predict whether his wife is pregnant. All this stuff he clearly gets from his father, a devotee of mysticism, numerology and esoteric theories of universal harmony. This Harry is the author of many boring passages about the sublime beauty of the elephants of the Okavango Delta, which I suspect most of his readers will skip.

At every turn, he says, the press destroy his life. They make him look like an idiot when they publish pictures of him playing naked pool. They make him look like a racist when they publish pictures of him dressed as a Nazi (but who was it, you want to say, that was dressing up as a Nazi in the first place?). They leak his location in Afghanistan forcing him out of the army. They break up his relationships — Chelsy leaves him after a journalist fixes a tracking device on to his car. But most of all, they killed his mum.

It’s probably of great credit to William and Kate that, even in this hostile account, they come across as sweet and well-meaning people, if perhaps rather dim. After the famous pre-wedding bust up over bridesmaids dresses, which reduced Meghan Markle to a crying jag on the floor, Kate turns up with flowers and a sorry card. They try to understand why he’s so angry. But one wonders if they have begun to grasp the depth of Harry’s resentment and jealousy. Is William aware that decades later his brother is still fuming away over who got the nicest bedroom in which palace?

Without wishing to descend too far into armchair psychology, one wonders whether Harry’s therapist ever suggested to him that through his relationship with Meghan he may be trying to save his mother. The two women are repeatedly compared, and a constant refrain of Harry’s book and his interviews is that he doesn’t want Meghan to meet the same fate as his mum. By saving Meghan, perhaps he can do the thing he always dreamt of as a child and bring his mum back to life. And Meghan, with her talent for victimhood and offence, her propensity to lie dramatically on the floor in floods of tears, has a talent for victimhood.

He is especially touchy (as the book’s title rather forcefully implies) about his status as the spare not the heir. Harry endlessly complains that he’s forced to inhabit pokier bedrooms than his brother (“a mini room in a narrow back corridor” he sniffs of one bedroom which is after all still in an actual palace). He is still furious that William ignored him when they were schoolboys at Eton. When William jovially tells the press that Harry “snores” he is infuriated. One of the proudest moments of his life, he writes, was the time at Sandhurst when William (who started later) had to salute him. He is absurdly gleeful at his brother’s “advanced balding”. Very often he sounds like the irritating little brother from hell.

When she talks about her work with “women’s issues” he is “fascinated by her” and “hanging on her every word” — this is not perhaps the universal reaction when Meghan talks about women’s issues.

Doubtless Harry loves Meghan because she’s beautiful and, er, an (ahem) talented actress and marvellously committed to all her “women’s issues” and so on. But reading between the lines of the book, you feel that the obsessional quality of Harry’s attraction derives from the fact that Meghan is more than his wife; she is a saviour. Whereas Harry had fretted about being second best for his entire life, Meghan is unflappably certain that she’s the centre of the universe — and if the British royal family disagrees, well, she’ll happily take down the British royal family. Then Meghan and Harry can be the centre of the universe together.

The Obamas never bought the whole "RF is racist" thing either. Michelle was creeped out by Megs lying about them having lunches together.

Historical reference! How about the fact that Diana had a hotline to Richard Kay at the DM so he could get what we could assume would be most of her exclusives? Doubtless she had other outlets as well. Then there was the book. She lied about her involvement until her death.

And how amazing the Harkles have all these texts when MM submitted signed documents to the court hearing the ANL trial that all her texts and emails were deleted after 30 days for security reasons?

He craps on about how hard the UK press are on him but they could really go a lot harder and draw more blood.

Montecito evacuated - where will they go?

[quote]It has to do with basic hygiene, which apparently Meghan never learned.

Well gotdamn that dirty, dirty Negress!

Those last two sentences are very astute, R98.

I still do agree that the royal family shouldn't have treated William with such blatant favoritism. Nothing should have been done, especially after their mother's death, to make it seem one boy was more important than the other. Of course William needed more careful bringing up to prepare him for being king one day, but pains should have been taken to make sure things like their bedrooms were equal. What was to be accomplished by diminishing one son's status?

Of course, having written that, I'm now remembering that all of these complaints come from Harry. We don't know how different their treatment actually was, only that Harry found plenty of evidence that he was nothing, a spare, not the golden child--not that the evidence really was there.

Go OD on Pepsi, R102. Prince Harry said the RF aren't racist and neither are we. You bet on the wrong horse, sugar.

[quote] pains should have been taken to make sure things like their bedrooms were equal.

LOL.

The Royal family’s lawyers asked a US broadcaster to hand over the Duke of Sussex’s latest interview, as he expressed concern for royal children and suggested that Queen Elizabeth II was powerless to help him.

A legal firm acting for Buckingham Palace contacted ABC while the Duke’s Good Morning America interview was on air, saying it needed to consider exactly what was said and “the context in which it appears” in order to have the opportunity to respond.

Neither Buckingham Palace nor Kensington Palace has so far commented on any of the allegations made in the Duke’s memoir, Spare, despite their highly personal and potentially damaging nature.

However, the Queen Consort is widely reported to be the King’s “red line”.

In his ITV interview on Sunday evening, the Duke repeated a claim, also made in his book, that Camilla leaked a story about her first meeting with Prince William to the press.

He has also alleged that his own interests were “sacrificed on her PR altar” and referred to her as a “villain” who left “bodies in the street” as she strove to rehabilitate her image.

It is a matter of public record that the Queen Consort did not leak the story about meeting William. The details were leaked, inadvertently, by Camilla’s own private secretary, who was eventually sacked over the incident.

Palace lawyers asked both ABC and CBS, which also broadcast an interview with the Duke on Sunday evening, for a copy of the Duke’s interviews but the requests were declined.

I never considered how differently Harry was treated, I am quite certain the favoritism scarred him. It is indeed very, very fucked up. BUT! There are always people worse off than you, Mr. Harry, and it’s high time you made a point of talking to those who are worse off (would that not be 99% of the planet?).

Harry needs to go spend some serious time with prisoners — REAL prisoners, and no, he is not a prisoner anymore than I am. Yes, Harry, life is very unfair. Yes, Harry, all people are broken or flawed, and that impacts how you were treated. Yes, Harry, wrongs were committed.

But Harry? You’ve made mountains of mistakes too. You’ve done things that are unfair too. You’ve hurt people too. It’s time to accept this shit for what it is, and move the fuck forward.

Anyone here see Stutz? Harry is trapped in The Maze, he has been his entire life. I say that as someone who has also been trapped for too many years I’m the past. But at some point, you have to find the tools that allow you to accept the situation and keep moving forward.

Stutz says there are three things no human being escapes from; pain, uncertainty, and constant work. Harry? You can’t escape these three. You’re so pissed off, but you have everything you need to set yourself free.

[quote] I'm still struggling with Eugenie today. She was friendly to him... photographed together in LA at that football game, and then he takes an unnecessary run at her father. How does she feel now?

Probably the same. What her father did is ghastly.

[quote]Of course, having written that, I'm now remembering that all of these complaints come from Harry. We don't know how different their treatment actually was, only that Harry found plenty of evidence that he was nothing, a spare, not the golden child--not that the evidence really was there.

It's hard to know what to make of all this; looking at it objectively, maybe they gave him a room off the beaten path so as a bachelor, he could bring women in & out without noticing. I find it hard to believe that even if he was the "spare", he was still the son of the future king, so palace courtiers likely went out of their way to kiss his ass one way or another.

I also don't take the whole "dress gate/baby brain" story at face value either because Kate looks 100% like the aggressor while Megs is the hapless victim. Did she get pissy with Megs? Probably, but they'd likely been sniping at each other for weeks over a million things. And "that's not how we do things in Britain" sounds like a shout out to the American market (ooh, those snooty Brits! They're just not cool cats like us yanks!).

Even though the rest of the world is getting tired of these stories, I'll bet there are going to be all kinds of disgruntled former employees, tailors who got bitched out by someone & other peripheral people who decide to "tell their truth" about how shit really went down.

[quote] He wants the BRF to acknowledge how super-special and vulnerable he is, and complaining about security, pretending they're in danger of being killed without it and nobody cares! -- this is all about his being spoiled and yet rife with rage and abandonment issues. It's not whether he can get his own security; he wants the BRF to give it to him. He uses the security issue to express all those feelings, and I don't think he realizes that's what it's really about.

He is super-special. Everyday someone starts a new thread about him at DL. When you stop talking about him (and her) I'll agree with you, but apparently right now everyone is hanging on their every utterance.

R110, have a Pepsi. Or a donut. You seem to like policing.

not sure this part was talked about much, but from r/Deuxmoi which has also turned on him like lipstick alley

[quote]I read the leaked (Spanish) version of the book and he is a mess. He hates the "little people" especially if the employees are women. He cannot comprehend why William would talk to Palace employees or care about their concerns. At times he positively seethes about them, like how the he ordered an employee to stop parking his car in a spot that "blocked the light" into one of Harry's windows at Kensington Palace. He whips himself into such conspiracy over such pettiness it's unreal. He's shockingly dim and a terrible husband, boyfriend, brother, you name it.

He's a spoiled mess!

[quote]Even though the rest of the world is getting tired of these stories, I'll bet there are going to be all kinds of disgruntled former employees, tailors who got bitched out by someone & other peripheral people who decide to "tell their truth" about how shit really went down.

The Mail will be on the hunt for them and after all this, people may be ready to push back. This may have unleashed a whole new era of tell all.

Captain Save A Ho, Tyler Perry, probably sent a helicopter to evacuate them. Hopefully he doesn’t pick up Oprah too; her ballast will cause the chopper to lean to one side and lose control.

I can see Oprah running to the chopper eating a stick of butter.

R98, the Times reviewer observes that Harry is, if anything, more like Charles than Diana: petty, angry, self-pitying and, above all, obsessed with slights to his own status.

I just signed up on the waitlist at the Brooklyn library to borrow a copy. I’m number 857!! on the ebook list. Oh, well, maybe they’ll order a lot of copies, cuz I’m sure as hell not purchasing it.

>>He has also alleged that his own interests were “sacrificed on her PR altar” and referred to her as a “villain” who left “bodies in the street” as she strove to rehabilitate her image.

WTF does this even mean? How were his interests sacrificed? What damage did she do to anyone?

I'm sure someone will upload a pirated copy and put a link on these threads - that's what happened with Finding Freedumb.

R117 ask Meghan - she wrote it.

He's a drug addict.

Harry doing tequila shots with Colbert and from what I have seen the lighting does no favors to his baldness, looks like clown hair.

Coming soon….

How do I find the pdf link in the FF threads? Would DL have removed it by now? I could use a laugh. Thanks

Sure r68. Suuuure you have.

R84 is very gullible.

R98 needs their eyes checked.

The book is on The Pirate Bay. It will be on Library Genesis soon I'm sure.

Former First Lady of France posted this:

One woman waited for Waterstones to open to buy it. One. But there are a ton of photographers!

R109 I'm not buying the truth about the whole bridesmaid/baby brain thing either. There is something odd about how the Harkles keeping bringing up this story so many times. Why the fuck would they bother, in the real world it would be just a normal bitch fight between a postpartum sister in law and an anxious bridezilla that wouldn't be brought up again. So why bring it up? I think there is a lot more to this story and they want to get ahead of the narrative. There were witnesses that could eventually blab, like the designer's assistant, Melissa Toubati, the PA Meghan allegedly bullied and the ex bestie Jessica. The Harkles obsession with this event is telling

R74 Thanks for saying this about Commonwealth countries! In Australia our Prime Minister has said the discussion about becoming a republic isn't even up for discussion in his first term. We had a referendum in the 90's rejecting a republic and if one were done tomorrow the general consensus and polls show it would be rejected, in fact the number of people opposing a republic has increased in the last 5 years. Oh and FYI Australia isn't a small island it's a fucking continent.

I'm sure we've all had people who are the constant victim even though they create or are partially responsible for the dramas and difficulties. These people "reframe" or "reinterpret" events or misconstrue intentions to make themselves blameless and the other people villains. They also excel at twisting and manipulating.

These people are probably the types I find most difficult to deal with in my life and I try to avoid them once identified. Much harder when they have a public forum or they are a "vulnerable" family member.

[quote]There is something odd about how the Harkles keeping bringing up this story so many times. Why the fuck would they bother, in the real world it would be just a normal bitch fight between a postpartum sister in law and an anxious bridezilla that wouldn't be brought up again. So why bring it up?

I think that too; anyone who has ever been involved in a wedding (never mind a royal wedding) knows that tensions run high over small things, never mind throwing a hormonal woman into the mix (my entire family cowered in fear from my sister after she had her kids), so why keep going back to that episode? I'm guessing the truth is that whatever happened puts Megs in a very badly light and she's trying to get her side of events out there first.

That seems to be Meghan’s MO, R130. She can’t let anything go. Even is something is factually accurate, if it is even mildly unflattering to her she needs to re-frame it. She has to respond to every slight, every action or comment of hers she thinks was misinterpreted.

R75 I disagree, I think Charles would have made Camilla his wife earlier if Diana had lived. He was already making moves to be seen with her in public before Diana died and work on getting her accepted.

If Di had remarried or immigrated that would only have helped his cause.

How different their lives would be if she had survived!

The tweet goes mainstream:

Sometimes, when you're obsessed with someone, when you're jealous of them or covet what they have that you want but can't get, they live rent free inside your head so you talk about them all time. :)

In Canada I would say the reverse is happening. The republican forces are slightly increasing year or year because the monarchy has virtually no presence here. When I was a kid there used to be regular, coast to coast royal tours. Canada was the Commonwealth realm she visited most. I've read the premiers would be happy to host them but the invitation has to come from the federal government, which won't move. The Queen's 70th jubilee was virtually unmarked. Australia outdid us and the prevailing belief was the Aussies were far less interested in the crown than Canada. My tinhat theory is Queen Trudeau isn't a monarchist - though he loved the photo ops when he went over there - and the cabinet has decided to just let the monarchy here wither until it dies. The problem is to do that, in the end, requires opening up the constitution, which everybody dreads because it could become a free for all of I want, I want, I want, particularly where Quebec is concerned and to a lesser extent Alberta. So my guess is lull people into indifference and try to find a way to do it fast. I'm guessing with no basis except his arrogance and ego, but I bet when the biographies are written of Trudeau it will be revealed the decision to ignore the monarchy was his. It's such a Justin thing to do.

I can't be bothered trawling through the Oprah interview transcript, but didn't Meghan heavily imply that Archie's racial heritage was the reason he wasn't made a prince? If so, she wasn't accusing them of unconscious racism, but full-blown racism.

R139, yes, that is what she did.

Apparently not only Kate, but William slightly recoiled from Meghan when she went in for a hug at their first meeting, at KP. This according to Harry's book.

He wrote (per the Mail), 'I introduced Meg, who leaned in and gave him a hug, which completely freaked him out. He recoiled.' He then goes on to note, that William wasn't the type to usually hug someone he didn't know well. Well then Einstein, why the hell didn't you tell your girlfriend this IN THE FIRST PLACE?? Before going over to meet your brother for the first time. Asshat.

It's not even about being royal or a Prince, although I'm sure that plays into it. Or being British (please). Kate and William may simply not be the type to hug on first greetings, as are a lot of people. If Harry knew this, it was his OBLIGATION to tell his new gf this, in advance of the planned meeting.

How and why this ass keeps getting away with shit like this is beyond me - and when I mean 'get away with it', I'm referring to himself and Meghan not pulling him up for it publicly. No, they'd rather blame others for their glaring mistakes and lack of common sense.

And to add to it, he admits openly in his book to not telling or informing Meghan of the potential need to curtsey. Not that she should have had to curtsey to William - not as an American, and not as the gf of his brother. But he quotes, "'Maybe Willy expected Meg to curtsey? It would have been protocol when meeting a member of the Royal Family for the first time, but she didn't know and I didn't tell her." I DIDN'T TELL HER. Well there you go. Wtf was he doing to assist his wife in her new job/role, with all the strange foreign protocol that HE was born to and KNEW like the back of his hand.

At least he admits it in the book. I hope he's seriously called on it.

wow - that cover of People magazine. Photoshop much? Eeek. I wonder if the Sussexes requested that, or if it was an editorial decision on People's end alone. Yikes.

[quote]Kate and William may simply not be the type to hug on first greetings, as are a lot of people.

I'm one. I love hugging people I love and like but I don't love hugging strangers. It's just... in your space. Bleh.

I'm Meghan was all Bo Christmas.

Beady eyed, balding ginger, pussy whipped.

“There’s TMI [too much information] and then there’s whatever is happening here,” winced The Cut, the liberal American women’s bible. “A shrooms trip at Courtney Cox’s house? Blaming William and Kate for his infamous Nazi Halloween costume? Frostbitten penis?!”

This is the outlet that put the Duchess of Sussex on a special magazine cover in August after being granted exclusive access to her Montecito mansion. But far from being a sympathetic ear, it epitomised much of the world media’s reaction to the duke’s revelations in his memoir."

The New York Times asked: “Has Prince Harry’s Confessional Tour Run Its Course?” Its writer Sarah Lyall argued that Harry and Meghan should be concerned about “whether the continued public re-litigation of their troubles has grown so repetitive or even tiresome that it has eroded their personal brand and damaged their potential future earnings. Once they have exhausted the topic of themselves, what is left for them to talk about?”

Doing mushies at Courtney Cox's gaff? Huh

They're overexposed. The constant whining is tiring. What exactly do they want the general public to do about their problems?

Archived copy of link at R146

R141 I love how H&M are trying to make it seem that W&C are so cold because they were uncomfortable hugging Meghan. 1) Many people are uncomfortable with hugging strangers (I sure as hell am). 2) Most people with half a brain meeting their potential in-laws for the first time don't rush in for a hug, you should wait and see if they offer you a hug. 3) I would not ever assume to hug a member of the royal family.

Won't some kind person link to the pdf of this shit for us olds who cannot use Piratebay?

William better never meet a gay man. So many seemed determined to kiss one another on the lips.

R148 I can't imagine how they keep going without the whining. Maybe find a new grievance, US based? It's been 3 years since they left us but feels like they're still here.

R152 William has been a supporter of gay rights for years. Plus most of the palace staff are gay!

It was a joke on our propensity to kiss on the lips every time we meet, Rose.

Sorry Dorothy.

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^oh fer christ sakes. DL posted the Jubilee dessert without my pithy remarks about a.) H/M and b.) my successful making of the jubilee trifle for xmas.

I can't remember everything I said, but in a nutshell: H/M are completely nuts. And the Jubilee trifle turned out amazingly well. Looked like the picture and was one of the most tasty desserts I've ever had. Really wowed my guests.

Unless you have a psychotic degree of hatred for Harry, I would have to highly recommend the audiobook version of “Spare.” The coverage leading up to the release has been so over-the-top and people are only interested in the juicy bits that reinforce their opinions of the key players.

However, I’m already on the 6th chapter of the audiobook and despite the fact my opinion of Harry has greatly diminished over the years, I’m rediscovering what I liked about him in the first place. His ITV and 60 minutes interviews have been completely joyless and baffling.

The audiobook though—not only is Harry’s voice quite soothing, but hearing him tell his story in his own words has been a treat so far. He even infuses humor by doing loving impressions and playfully narrating moments from his life.

Plus it’s way cheaper than the actual book (which I’d be embarrassed to have on a bookshelf).

DM has an article about Harry accusing his parents of having him in case William needed spare body parts like a kidney or a blood transfusion. This guy is NUTS. I have an older sister, perhaps I can make the same claims against my parents in a tell-all book.

Apparently Harry's ghostwriter has liked another negative Tweet about Harry.

I wonder if history would have been altered somewhat if Diana hadn't miscarried the baby between William and Harry.

I can tell you we wouldn't be putting up with this twat and his grievances.

R161... his Twitter feed is interesting. No direct mention of Spare anywhere. But he acknowledges writing Agassi's book.

R159 You being too embarrassed to have “Spare” on your bookshelf really made me laugh 😂

Something is up with Moehringer. His lack of statements would be odd for a non-controversial book like this. It does seem to point to a falling-out of sorts.

One could argue that nearly every child born in a family that already has one is a 'spare' child. A follow-up to the initial first one, in a way. Harry need to get a grip on himself.

I understand why people who clearly hate Harry would rely on the Daily Mail, but having listened to the audiobook where Harry goes into being “the spare,” it’s done with absolutely zero bitterness. He actually only brings it up to add context as to how from the very beginning, William was acknowledged as the heir and Harry was jokingly called “the spare.”

He does seem to harbor some residual bitterness that William seemed to be treated slightly better and he was told about their mother’s death first (while previous accounts implied they were told at the exact same time).

r138 Queen Trudeau? You think he's in the closet?

Wiliam is the elder child, therefore would be told first. It was early morning when they were informed, and William just may have been awake first. I assume Charles did his 1st trial run on William, expecting Harry to maybe react more emotionally as he was younger.

Harry may sound light and lively in the audiobook reading, but he's been nasty and bitter as argula in all of his media appearances. He does not mean well toward anyone he goes after here.

[quote] I can't be bothered trawling through the Oprah interview transcript, but didn't Meghan heavily imply that Archie's racial heritage was the reason he wasn't made a prince? If so, she wasn't accusing them of unconscious racism, but full-blown racism.

Sorry to spam the thread, but it's a master class in insinuation/tabloid journalism:

Oprah: You certainly must have had some conversations with Harry about it and have your own suspicions as to why they didn’t want to make Archie a prince. .... Do you think it’s because of his race?

Oprah: And I know that’s a loaded question, but . . .

Meghan: But I can give you an honest answer. In those months when I was pregnant, all around this same time . . .  so we have in tandem the conversation of ‘He won’t be given security, he’s not going to be given a title’ and also concerns and conversations about how dark his skin might be when he’s born.

Oprah: What?

Meghan: And . . .

Oprah: Who . . . who is having that conversation with you? What?

Meghan: So . . .

Oprah: There is a conversation . . . hold on. Hold up. Hold up. Stop right now.

Meghan: There were . . . there were several conversations about it.

Oprah: There’s a conversation with you . . ?

Meghan: With Harry.

Oprah: About how dark your baby is going to be?

Meghan: Potentially, and what that would mean or look like.

Oprah: Whoo. And you’re not going to tell me who had the conversation?

Meghan: I think that would be very damaging to them.

Oprah: OK. So, how . . . how does one have that meeting?

Meghan: That was relayed to me from Harry. Those were conversations that family had with him. And I think . . .

Oprah: Whoa.

Meghan: It was really hard to be able to see those as compartmentalised conversations.

Oprah: Because they were concerned that if he were too brown, that that would be a problem? Are you saying that?

Meghan: I wasn’t able to follow up with why, but that — if that’s the assumption you’re making, I think that feels like a pretty safe one,....

r129 Also sometime later, perhaps last year I think? Omid Scobie who is very clearly a close contact of the pair of them, tweeted there was a public interest in knowing if a future head of state had made a racist comment privately. They are definitely backtracking and it ain't credible. Someone posted that Gayle King looked angry or peed of on television yesterday. Another clue the script has been changed by Harry and handled badly.

^^^^ r171, thread CLOSED!!! They are fucking finished!

R169: no, I am not insinuating he's gay. There's nothing to suggest that. But I think he's such a preening fop he makes a better queen than king.

Here's some Omid Scobie for you, R172. He's got a lovely voice, but his new face doesn't hold up well at that angle and in that bright light.

I'm more thrilled by the fact that he is circumcised.

I haven't read the book but it seems like he talks about his dick a lot in it. Is he packing?

This broad, one of Harry's many older blondes, is a fun interview. According to her, between shags he spoke mostly (and highly) of his granny and didn't seem to like Catherine ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Thank you, R171. Some weasel words from Meghan, but she's clearly implying racism there.

LOL @ the woman @ R178 - I'm not gonna slander Meghan, she's done a good enough of job herself + that fake bow grossed me out.

She's my kind of coug. She'd be fun to hang with.

I suppose there'll be a new flurry after the Late Show tonight. Is there anything else on the books before takes his tin cup to the streetcorner and whines for food?

I think that's the last "interview", for now.

The Times's review is fair and thoughtful. Nevertheless, when it comes to Meghan:

Oh, Meghan is perfect, perfect, perfect. After an argument over cooking a roast chicken, she tells Harry to go to therapy, where he learns how to cry. She shares his tedious enthusiasm for the elephants of the Okavango Delta. She oh-so-adorably calls her pets “fur babies” and oh-so-hilariously they nickname one of the swans living in the Royal Parks “Steve” (one suspects the quality of conversation in the Markle-Windsor household is not high). This book is the best PR Meghan will ever get and even here she’s quite annoying.

In the book, Harry says he learned of the Queen Mother’s death while he was at Eton, and he vividly describes the day’s weather. Actually, he was skiing in Switzerland, which was documented by the press at the time—raising the question of just how often Harry confidently asserts “facts” that aren’t true.

Good lord. That poor ghostwriter surely isn’t responsible for this?

Someone posted a download link.

It opened for me in Overdrive without a problem.

I can't be bothered reading all that dreck. The flowery prose is just so transparently INAUTHENTIC! What a contrived mess. It deserves to be savaged.

Fuck off R187

No way in hell is that how Harry naturally talks. Meghan wrote most of that book.

Judge Judy thinks Harry is a POS.

[quote] “could kill a house plant with one scowl”.

That is supposedly what Harry thought of his great aunt. It's pretty funny, actually.

You would think, however, that Harry might have found some parallels between her experience as the younger sibling and his own. But no.

You would think a mature, 38-year-old-man born into such privilege might reflect on how it compared to the lives of the vast majority of people.

You might think they would -- if he truly wished to give up all pretense -- give up the titles.

No, we see a petulant, immature, self-indulgent, petty nitwit. And his petulant, entitled, snowflake partner.

Hilary Rose was spot on.

This is such a f*cking soap opera. Talk about pointless bitchery!

She’s not wrong R190

Love Judge Judy R190

Moehringer has started retweeting praise for the book, including this.

So he's running from Judge Judy, the Daily Mail and the Taliban now.

This whole venture just goes from strength to strength.

God help me, I'm staying up for Colbert.

I’m almost tempted to buy the damn thing, it sounds hilarious. But I’d hate myself for putting money in his pocket.

R197 you can download and listen to it with a free audible trial. Cancel after you're done.

[quote]I’m almost tempted to buy the damn thing, it sounds hilarious. But I’d hate myself for putting money in his pocket.

The link at R186 works fine if you don't want to give him the sale.

I have a different view of hugging-gate. It has nothing to do with Meghan being "huggy feely" or the Cambridges, totally new to her, being the opposite.

It was an aggressive, overreaching maneuver by a very manipulative woman, who has no regards for anyone else's boundaries or preferences. Anyone who doesn't fall for her "charm" is immediately suspect and criticized. Great way to maneuver yourself into a position of dominance and primacy.

....

....

Does he say how many boys he fucked at Eton, and how many fucked him?

Everyone knows that English boarding schools are awash in buggery.

He’s essentially confirms the bullying allegations. He attacks unnamed but identifiable staff and calls them “the real villains.”

OK his big mouth might have just ripped the lid right off the bullying report...

Harry wrote: "She was also said to have driven our assistant to quit; in fact that assistant was asked to resign by Palace HR after we showed them evidence she'd traded on her position with Meg to get freebies. But because we couldn't speak publicly about the reasons for the assistant's departure, rumors filled the void."

OK! The book arrived and I've been digging in. I read the first few chapters, which are quite good. The ghost writer is quite masterful in these chapters. Elegant but also draws a decent picture of young Harry.

About an hour ago, decided to jump ahead to the chapter where Harry and Meghan met and have read to the part where she first meets William.

It reads like a completely different book. I'm certain this was NOT written by the ghost. It's not badly written but it lacks the artistry of the first part of the book. Basically a transcript of their early dates. I guarantee we'll learn that Meghan scraped the ghost's version and wrote her own. Even so, this reads too well to be hers alone (she's a terrible writer), so another editor must have had to clean it up considerably.

[quote] Does he say how many boys he fucked at Eton, and how many fucked him?

Yes, Rose: he goes into great and lengthy detail about such matters. Oddly enough, though, somehow none of the reviews for the book nor any of the advance word for the autobiography have yet mentioned this.

Thank you for asking such an intelligent question.

1.4 million copies sold last week.

Top preorder spot on Amazon and Barnes & Noble's websites.

Cope and seethe, Klan Grannies.

I’ve already read at least a dozen references to: “it’s clear she never Googled me/family.” They are really digging in on that fabrication.

I thought the many leaks would spoil the book for me, but I’m really enjoying it. The early chapters are good—well written and the Diana death and aftermath are affecting.

I’ve skipped ahead to the Meghan pre-wedding chapters and it’s absolutely hysterical. He’s trying so hard to convince us—and himself?—what an angel she is and how we should marvel at their love.

I’ve been skipping around a lot but so far Charles comes off as distracted but sweet. William so far comes off as a typical big brother—run of the mill big brother asshole stuff. But I’m just at the start of the Meghan years.

R209, based on an excerpt I've read, he was incredibly impressed that she was reading "Eat Pray Love" and thought that proved she was "cultured."

R208 That article doesn't say anything about what it sold the first week. It came out today as well.

That's hilarious, r210. What a dimwit.

I wonder if they'll sue anybody for all the coverage. It kind of devalues the book. I wouldn't read it on principle and, luckily, I don't have to now.

R210 Oh god. It's funny.

God, it reads like a script from The Windsors.

It's so sad. The man is so incredibly stupid that even pretending to be intelligent works with him.

And now he's blaming the press for spinning his 25 Taliban kill count disclosure as bragging. Said that it puts him and his family at risk. Unbelievable.

Harry violent against women. Also this guy says the argument where William pushed Harry was because Meghan took a picture of Charlotte in her bed.

Most of the books he owned until that time involved coloring or limericks, so of course she seemed cultured reading the ultimate basic bitch book.

[quote]Several incidents occurred involving deadly violence by PH towards women. The palace paid to cover it up. One of the individuals is about to release her story with photos.

R219, and we haven’t discussed the visit to the psychic, have we? This woman said she saw something about an “ornament.” Harry said, yes, Archie had recently broken a Christmas ornament, one designed to look like the Queen. The psychic assured him that Diana had seen that happen and had giggled. That was an easy pay day, the woman must have thought.

Harry doesn’t seem to know that every cold-read psychic works by throwing out banal words until the client bites on one and supplies all of the information himself.

Quote [It didn't help that everyone was working around the clock. There were so many demands from the press, such a constant stream of errors that needed clearing up, and we didn't have nearly enough people or resources. At best, we were able to address 10 percent of what was out there. Nerves were shattering, people were sniping"]

Is he serious? How many stories did he feel they needed to control? Were staff assigned to Google them? WTF

Is Harry a rapist? That’s going way beyond being a coddled dolt with mommy issues.

[quote]people were sniping"

so Meghan was in full bitch mode

That quote stuck out to me, too, R222. He doesn’t realize he’s confirming one of Meghan’s bad traits - her compulsion to put her spin on everything. Nobody else’s interpretation can ever have merit if it doesn’t exactly align with hers and isn’t expressed exactly the way she wants it expressed.

"Eat Pray Love"?

That's the Frauiest Book the Ever Fraued.

Garbage R218

R222 how can he accuse William of repeating the "press narrative" when William is being told what's happening from the actual staff themselves?

[quote]a rape and battery allegation covered up.

It would also destroy the royal family to have covered that up, not just Harry. So you can bet if he actually did do anything that horrible the news will never see the light of day.

[Quote] Without a doubt, the most dangerous lie that they have told, is that I somehow boasted about the number of people I killed in Afghanistan." — Prince Harry tells #Colbert, adding that his "words are not dangerous," but the spin on his "words are very dangerous."

R231, when he speaks, it’s fine. When others speak, it’s not fine.

He looked angry and red on Colbert, kind of methy

r217 He really is a manchild.He has a major problem with personal responsibilty.

The part about his dick was so strange. Especially the part where he felt like his mother was in the room with him while put Elizabeth Arden cream on it. Then he later mentioned side effects of his frost bitten dick was that he had greater sensation it and felt like he was always having sex.

He also mentions how he fucked Meghan on Diana's death anniversary

What does Harry think is going to come of all this? People will feel sorry for him and that will somehow make it all better?

Oh my GOD ^. That's just so much!

That was about Harry's dick, btw.

Enjoy.

R237, he used the same brand of cream that Diana had used as lipgloss. ICK!

R239 recalls the line from The Cut review: There's TMI and then there's this.

r239 It reads like an adult version of PG Wodehouse where Bertie gets a frostbitten dick. Sorry "his todger goes on the fritz".

Apparently, Bertie can write a tell-all, but Jeeves can't. Wrong ho.

Harry is so far beyond cringe; he's a horrifying mess

Does he explain why he didn't just mention the situation to the medic or first aider who was almost certainly around him in the North Pole rather than waiting until the eve of his brothers wedding? He was third in line to the throne at the time I find it difficult to believe they didn't even suggest a physical after he'd been on a polar trek.

[quote]Without a doubt, the most dangerous lie that they have told, is that I somehow boasted about the number of people I killed in Afghanistan." — Prince Harry tells #Colbert, adding that his "words are not dangerous," but the spin on his "words are very dangerous.

Good grief! It's just semantics, he's twisting everything, again to suit his war on the press/media. "It's ok if I say it, but NOT ok if you report it". Bullshit, pure and simple.

Your words are dangerous Haz. Deal with it.

I'd forgotten about the rumors that one of the primary reasons the Cambridges didn't trust Meghan was that they caught her taking pictures of one of their children on her cell, in a private part of KP when she was there visiting with Harry. That went around, but then was quashed.

R175 thanks for posting that. I think Omid Scobie is HOT !!! Love the deep dark black hair and eyes. I had assumed he was something very exotic - maybe Middle Eastern or Cypriot - oh I don't know, but I couldn't connect the name to any language - but he's homegrown Welsh!? Like Tom Jones and Richard Burton?

Well, anyway, maybe he's a creep but I'm a fan. Of his looks anyway. Would that Harry was 10% as handsome.

[quote] William has been a supporter of gay rights for years. Plus most of the palace staff are gay!

Hmm. Maybe Williams learned from Diana and Hewitt - wasn't he part of the palace staff. Gameskeeper or something, like Oliver Mellors in Lady Chatterley's Lover?

* William learned from Diana and Hewitt...

[quote] [R175] thanks for posting that. I think Omid Scobie is HOT !!!

Hi Omid!!

R248 is either Scoobie or his mom. He is 100% plastic and used to look Persian (he's 1/2 Persian) but now he looks like some weird Ken Doll.

Here is the pre-surgery Scoobie Doo.

Kimmel makes fun of Harry again

Re "hug-gate", yet another reason Will and Kate would be horrified to meet this chick who jumped on them and hugged them, was that they had to be sure she'd be gone in a month. Harry had to have a lot of short-term girlfriends, and his serious girlfriends had been blonde and from similar backgrounds, and well. Harry would have been well-advised to marry money, if he ever wanted out of royal life.

Seriously, if you knew someone who had a real need to marry money, and they came by with a C-list actress who was aging out of employability in Hollywood, wouldn't you assume that the bustup was days away?

I love it, R239! Harry has an injury so minor it's invisible, and when the doctor fails to cure this invisible injury immediately Harry is angry... and HE ISN'T EMBARASSED!!! He tells the world all about it because he thinks he had a legitimate reason to be angry, because he believes the whole world will join him in being mad at the doctor who told him that even minor injuries take time to heal!

I'm getting SO tempted to actually put myself on the library wait list! I'm not giving that spoiled twat a cent of my money, but these excerpts are a scream...

I don't think these two understand the storm that's coming their way. If I didn't see those pages myself and read articles confirming what's in that book, I'd think it was all ridiculous satire by a troll that really hates them. They're done. They're now going to be seen as toxic and as liars.

R255 agree with that assessment. Anyone defending this that is considered liberal minded is being a hypocrite if they defend forcing touches on someone. A lot of parents are now teaching young ones that they don't have to accept hugs and kisses from anyone if they don't consent. I actually very much agree with the concept of teaching people they're entitled to having a say over their personal space. My one sibling has done this with their kids and it's only been a positive practice so far.

I guess I'm just surprised that even with the change in thinking about having agency over one's own body, there's still people out there that would say Kate should've sucked it up, because quirky American gal, am I right? When there's plenty of Americans that understand everyone should have a right to decline physical interactions.

omg! someone hugs people!

you are nuts.

R258 you're entitled to have that opinion, however, I do not think it's okay to force any physical contact onto someone else without consent. There's a decent amount of people that feel that way, so it's best to respect other people's boundaries even if you're okay with it for yourself.

Harry was greeted on the Colbert show tonight like a superstar. Maybe he's actually becoming more popular than Dataloungers think.

"I don't think these two understand the storm that's coming their way. "

So far the only responses I've seen have been negative, but then I only share celebrity gossip with total bitches like myself. Nobody at Datalounge would bother to post a positive review, nor at any place else I discuss these twats.

R260 Lorena Bobbitt got a standing ovation on the Steve Harvey Show. Americans like mess.

Bradby > Cooper > Colbert

Quirky is the last word I would use to describe Meghan

Haters gonna hate!

I don’t really understand what Meghan was going for with her “ripped jeans, barefoot, hugging” routine.

Did she think that would “set her apart” somehow?

My spouse comes from a very modest, lower-middle-class family. The first time I met them, I showed up dressed nicely and carrying a large gift basket. (What can I say, it was Easter and the 90s.)

I can’t even imagine what she was thinking doing all this faux down-home bullshit with the BRF.

Tom Bower going in! Tonight’s interview on GB News is jaw-dropping. Dan Woottan show at 10.20pm (catch it on their youtube channel):

Harry has been a drug addict for 25 years.

His Sandhurst entrace exam essay was writing at a 13 year old level (Edit Officer training. Harry was 20)

TB knows ‘for a fact’ that Harry smokes weed almost on a daily basis at Montecito.

Doria was a drug dealer when she met Thomas. Tom added ‘don’t worry, this is in my book, it’s legally safe’

Thomas broke up with Doria over her heavy drug use and the fact she was dealing drugs.

She was absent from Meghan’s lief for 10 years ‘and legally I can’t tell you why’

R66 Because she’s an idiot. She said she didn’t know they had to follow royal protocol for Elizabeth in private.

She thought the royal palace would be like Hollywood.

She didn’t realize it’s a monarchy built on taxpayers money and these people have no lives.

She thought she was going to live it up playing princess in a castle getting fed grapes by servants and shop all day.

She didn’t get their lifestyle and that’s why she was so miserable.

And she has NO respect for them whatsoever. I can see why they didn’t like her. This ignorant American refused to adapt and conform to their culture and she’s mad about it.

R267 She used her mother to claim her blackness.

I can’t stand Candace Owens but she was right. Megan always maintained racial ambiguity her whole life until the day she decided to get married and bring her black mother out to capitalize on her black female following. Only had 3 black people at her wedding and one of them was billionaire Oprah and her millionaire friend Gayle.

She probably doesn’t even know her mother. She just used her, which is really shitty.

Well, Megs and Harald have absent mothers in common.

The todger and Eat, Pray, Whatever excerpts are gold. Please keep posting them--this could become as fun as the Finding Freedom thread.

Don’t feel too bad for Doria. She sounds like a real piece of shit herself.

Doria’s keeping her mouth shut for the most part should be a lesson to all would-be Z-list celebs.

KEEP YOUR FUCKING MOUTH SHUT! it solves so many problems.

He apparently has fantasies about blowing up his dad. This is after Charles married Camilla and Harry is pouting that Charles hadn't come to visit him because he was probably too happy with his new wife even after two years. This shit is so weird.

Charles actually comes across really well in the book. He's always sympathetic to Harry's many fuck ups

Archie's favorite painting in Tyler Perry's house.

Seek (different) help Harry since what you are doing is obviously not working

[quote] KEEP YOUR FUCKING MOUTH SHUT! it solves so many problems.

I don't understand what you mean.

Harry is purely charming on Colbert tonight.

Sympathetic and empathetic, he is likable.

Plus the story about frostnip and the lack of a cock cushion was fascinating.

Team Harry.

Just read the part in the book about the bridesmaid dresses hubbub. That wasn’t a text exchange between Meghan and Kate! It was Harry recreation of a dialogue they had.

When I thought they were actual texts, I thought they made Kate look bad. Makes much more sense that it’s H/M’s spin on a phone call, which ended with Meghan wailing on the kitchen floor.

Meg wrote and signed to court that all her texts and emails were deleted after 30 days for security reasons.

Idiots, the pair of them.

I see the “cope and seethe” moron is back at R208.

R229 I wonder if his confession that he has anger issues ("red mist", the blow up that made Meghan insist we get therapy, etc.) be cover for any news about his mistreatment of women? Everything these two do is calculated so wouldn't be surprised they are creating a narrative of "he's had anger issues in the past."

Also, he clearly has major substance abuse issues and still does. That will be a handy tool for her to leverage in the divorce.

Charles does come across quite well in the book....until Meghan enters the picture. Then Charles--but Camilla, more so--becomes an enemy.

This exchange between Camilla and Meghan that was interesting: While H/M still dating--in the lead up to Harry writing the letter to the press to stop with the racist attacks--Meghan called Camilla crying for advice. (That picture alone is hilarious.)

Camilla told her to try to ignore it and soldier on. Said she faced similar for years and it's horrible, but you'll get through it. (Or something along those lines.) Then suggested that Harry be made some ceremonial role in the Bahamas to get them out from under the intense scrutiny.

Harry excoriates Camilla for this advice! I can't be bothered to find the passage but, in a nutshell, he says how dare Camilla compare what she went through to what Meghan is going thru? And then tosses in a jibe about Camilla wanting to exile them to the Bahamas.

Frankly, I was impressed that Camilla bothered to take Meghan's call in the first place. Also, it was sound advice: ignore the press and get the hell out of here--and they ultimately chose to get out so how was Camilla wrong?

R282, good point. It was excellent advice.

Harry and Meghan wallow in self-pity. And both were not in the first bloom of youth. His mother was nineteen when she became engaged to his father -- emotionally damaged and immature.

Meghan Markle was in her mid-thirties -- educated and had a career in acting. She and he come across as these emotionally fragile and incredibly immature individuals. They act like spoiled children who -- no matter how you try to placate them -- believe it's never enough.

i rather like him after his fun zaney appearance on colbert.....he was a jolly soul . tho i still dread the megs.

Him sposed to be a blast to git drunk/high with. a wild fukker.

I’m listening to the audiobook which Harry narrates. He does a superb job story telling and has a pleasant voice. It’s an easy listen and I have empathy for the guy. I’m only halfway through the book and will post again once the character of Meghan is introduced.

he comes across great on chat shows indeed., quite the joker....

Well! This is interesting.

On page 361, Harry describes a call with William. This is shortly after the necklace ripping fight and after H/M have moved into Frogmore.

William calls Harry seething that Charles's coms team have spread vicious rumors about him and Kate to distract from some scandal involving Camilla's son. Harry doesn't mention what these rumors were but the timing suggests they are related to the William affair with Rose what's-her-name.

According to Harry, the two commiserate about the villainy around the leak.

hmmmm.....if I'm correct, this is Harry blaming Charles for the affair leak instead of them. Also, this phone call from William--where William is seeking brotherly commiseration--certainly seems odd in the wake of the physical fight with them and general breakdown of their relationship.

*Gagging*

[quote]William calls Harry seething that Charles's coms team have spread vicious rumors about him and Kate to distract from some scandal involving Camilla's son. Harry doesn't mention what these rumors were but the timing suggests they are related to the William affair with Rose what's-her-name.

This sounds blatantly untrue. Wasn't a connection already established between friends of the Harkles & the Rose rumor? And given the fact that Wills is the heir, why would it be in Chuck's interest to undermine his marriage since the future of the monarchy depends on the image of Kate & Wills as a happy attractive family? All this kind of sounds like "don't blame us for the Rose Rumor - it was those mean old Gray Men that terrorized Dear Mummy!"

poor lil rich boy. . he is on a downward spiral we fear since he became addicterd to the megs snatch.

you know he laps it up and it gets all in his ginger beard.

Back to Bridesmaids Dresses-gate for a minute, this is from a link called cheatsheet.com. No idea what its reliability is but according to it, the tailor was Team Kate.

"Well now that his name is out there, the dress tailor Ajay Mirpuri is speaking up about all the drama.

“If anything happened in the background, it didn’t happen in front of me,” Mirpuri explained via the Daily Mail. “But yes, weddings are stressful at the best of times — and especially one at this high level; you’ve got to respect that. They were faced with a problem like anyone gets at a wedding, with last-minute hitches.

“I can understand why anybody would be upset if the dresses weren’t fitting — it’s nerve-wracking. I feel for them all because you wouldn’t want the children to go out on a big stage in an ill-fitting dress — and that’s what they were. All six bridesmaids’ dresses had to be fixed, and we did it. I’m a royalist and I wanted to do whatever I could with my small business to serve the royal family.”

Mirpuri continued: “I’ve no idea what measurements Givenchy had received, but with our experience and knowledge we could see straight away that all six bridesmaids’ dresses had to be fixed, as they weren’t going to fit.”

He added that he was disappointed that coverage had focused on the rift between Kate and Meghan, and not “the fact that [the bridesmaids] looked fabulous.”"

EWWW, his beard full of her snatch juice ???? ye gads.

R277, I’ve never seen him look as balding as he did on Colbert.

R286, Overnight, the price of the Audio Book on Amazon dropped from $44.00 to $21.00.

The BBC's take:

That's interesting, R288. Why the hell would William believe Charles threw him under the bus like that? Very odd.

they are all reptiles!

duh!

Firstly, Tom Parker Bowles would have had to have done something reeeally fucking awful for the press to even care, because I'd estimate less than 1% of the UK even know his name. And even then, why would spreading rumours about William and Kate distract from the story? There's room in the papers for two royal scandals at once.

Harry notably told Colbert that "my family has had their chance to tell their side of the story, now I'm going to tell mine". HUH? When has the BRF gone on the record to say anything about this mess? They don't grant interviews or write books, in that sense they're at a great disadvantage next to hapless Haz and his media-hungry Mrs.

I don't think he's delusion when he says things like this, in public. It's a purposeful strategy, aimed at those out there listening who aren't schooled in the ways of the royals or understand their protocol (which is most people, and definitely most Americans)...he wants people to think and believe these statements, for his own benefit. He knows they aren't truthful in the least.

R297 Charles really does comes across well. I guess it makes sense Harry doesn't want to burn that bridge. Harry's Camila love/hate would be almost amusing if he were still 12 years old instead of 40

r301 He's implying they told their side in the tabloid press I'm assuming

shocked he not gotten hair implants yet, yes very bald all over the top. geez cant rich fuks get hair?

[quote]Harry's Camila love/hate would be almost amusing if he were still 12 years old instead of 40

That's what makes all of this seem so petty & immature. Harry's *real* issue is with his family - maybe even the sainted QEII - but he knows he can't say that, so he picks on what her perceives to be easy targets, primarily Camilla. Not to say there aren't genuine issues, but he can't vilify the others because that makes him look bad & directly attacks the monarchy, the institution upon which everything in his life & his his family's life depends, so instead he picks on the designated bad guy. #weak!

R298 and R300 I'm only speculating about that William was seething about the spread of the affair rumor in that call. but Harry does blame deflection of something done by Camilla's son as the cause of Charles' coms team offering up William and Kate for an un-defined leak against them.

In the book, Harry repeatedly either blames others for his own actions or recasts events to put himself and Meghan in a favorable light. I could be completely wrong in my speculation, of course, but it seemed to me that the only reason he mentions this phone call with William is to tamp down chatter that it was he and Meghan that raised the affair rumor. It fits within their MO to offer vague teasers like this as future defense against attacks that they behaved poorly.

2/3rds of the book--the parts before Meghan enters the picture--is rather thoughtful and well written. Yes it includes the various penis episodes and a few barbs at William--but that's mainly standard complaints about big brother to little brother inattention. The tone--and writing quality--changes mightily in the last part of the book--the Meghan years. As I said up thread, it seems to be written by a different person. Almost every episode is outlined with sketchy details--just enough to showcase M/H blameless contribution but vague enough to give them cover if additional concrete details come out.

The confrontation with Kate and William at the post-wedding Kensington Palace episode (baby hormone-gate) being a prime example. We are left to fill in many blanks to explain why Kate accused Meghan of being overly familiar with her hormones and William jamming a finger in Meghan's face and accusing her of being rude.

I hope the palace figures out a way to leak alternative versions of these events without doing so directly. Clearly, there is another side to this story since they are laid out in the book in pencil sketches rather than full-color relief.

ide think him more truthful and terrific if he had not chosen such a tart for wifey....

r306 there may be something to the notion that Meghan wrote, or had a heavy had in editing, the last half of the book where she is heavily featured. Everyone has said there is a distinct change in tone and quality to the writing and narrative.

His writings on seeing Meghan for the first time, on a friend's Ig page (hold your stomachs). Can anyone spot the "Meghanisms' here:

[quote]This woman with Violet...my god. I watched the video several time, then forced myself to put the phone down. Then picked it up, watched the video again.

[quote]For thirty-two years I'd watched a conveyor-belt of faces pass by and only a handful ever made me look twice. This woman stopped the conveyor belt. This woman smashed the conveyor belt to pieces. I'd never seen anyone so beautiful.

[quote]There was an energy about her, a wild joy and playfulness. There was something in the way she smiled, the way she gazed into the camera. Confident. Free. She believed life was one grand adventure, I could see that. What a privilege it would be, I thought, to join her on that journey....I got all that from her face. Her luminous, angelic face.

“There was an energy about her, a wild joy and playfulness. There was something in the way she smiled, the way she gazed into the camera. Confident. Free. She believed life was one grand adventure, I could see that. What a privilege it would be, I thought, to join her on that journey....I got all that from her face. Her luminous, angelic face.”

Not to mention her trick pussy.

And did he really title the chapter on Meghan "The Captain of my Soul" - ? Please, tell me no.

It all reads like fevered frau fiction

R310 just flipped to the title page of the Meghan section to fact check. It indeed it titled Captain on my Soul

If she's the captain of his soul, it's time for a mutiny.

I see it time and again.

The most basic of basic bitches seem to latch onto meal tickets the most effectively.

Is it because the interesting, accomplished women are busy working and don’t have time to practice their latching skills?

Is it because men subconsciously choose basic bitches because the men don’t want to feel threatened?

It’s a mystery.

[quote] There was an energy about her, a wild joy and playfulness. There was something in the way she smiled, the way she gazed into the camera. Confident. Free. She believed life was one grand adventure, I could see that. What a privilege it would be, I thought, to join her on that journey....I got all that from her face. Her luminous, angelic face.

I think I'm going to be sick

If it is ever confirmed - or even heavily suggested - that Meghan herself wrote all of the “love” scenes, I swear I will NEVER stop laughing. Never.

R314 Harry makes several pointed references to Meghan using her own credit card to purchase various items for them--sofas, plane tickets, etc. Although I don't doubt that she did, it's clear he wants to underscore that she's not in this for the $$ and has to finance things herself rather than relying on the King, as Harry has done his entire life.

In fairness, I don't think she's a gold digger in the traditional sense. Obviously, she will stoop to almost any low to score tons of cash. But we can't accuse her of not being a hard worker. She is a whore for power, however. and I think it's a place on the world stage--and not $$ so much--that led to this entire fiasco of a marriage. That said, $$$ is power in her mind so that is definitely part of her motivation.

It's not the fortune, it's the fame. Influence.

Read speculation by Richard Eden that Harry's left the racist reveal for Meghan to write about. Given the numbers, you gotta figure her book comes out sooner rather than later.

I don't know why the royal "racist" doesn't just let it out: it was me and this is what I meant. Pull a Diana and have a friend leak it. Rob them of the ability to distort it, which of course neither of them would do.

R319 have we received confirmation that Meghan is actively writing a memoir. Don't doubt that she is--especially after seeing what a $$ maker Harry's is.

The Palace sent a message in one of the papers the other day... the Independent, I think, that said Boris and Natasha would still be invited to the coronation but it was not expected they would attend and would probably announce as such at some point.

Tell me that wasn't marching orders.

The Palace was very smart to announce they are invited to the coronation--and to announce it before the book dropped. It puts M/H in a no-win position. If they don't attend, that's on them. If they do attend, it will be very uncomfortable for them.

Before the book release, I thought more likely that they would attend. Now I think it will be very unlikely. Maybe Harry will attend on his own....maybe.

On a book note: I've plowed through it and noticed that Jessica Mulroney isn't mentioned at all. Given she was a front row witness to the dating and wedding drama and confirm their take on events, that's odd . Has DL confirmed that she has been ghosted by Meghan?

Isn't not being mentioned the essence of being ghosted? She was smirking around the wedding with Pippa ass like she was the bride... then she shot her mouth off and got caught in the mood of the moment in that brawl with some blogger or something and radio silence.

Apparently she's no Susan Hussey.

[quote]Harry was greeted on the Colbert show tonight like a superstar. Maybe he's actually becoming more popular than Dataloungers think.

Have you ever been to a live-taping of a show before? Whatever the audience was instructed to do was probably 'augmented with' a generic over the top recording.

Does Harry mention any of his cousins in the book? How about his aunts and uncles? I know he slags off Margaret and references Andrew's sleaze, but does he have any dirt on the others?

I breezed thought the book and skipped a lot of seemingly boring stuff, but from what I read seems the Eugenie is the only major mention apart from immediate family. She and her husband are mentioned very favorably. It's striking that no one else gets positive mention--or any mention at all. Guess that's because he's not close --or has lost his connection--with any other cousins, etc.

Also, had a thought when reading about his younger years and my own family experience. The importance of and affection for blood relations goes only so far. If you're a little asshole, an aunt or uncle can easily walk away from you without a second thought. I could see him quickly depleted any sympathy/good will from Diana's death--especially after turning against his family in recent years. It's almost impossible to believe William and Charles will have anything to do with him anymore let alone uncles/aunts/cousins who may have never been fond of him in the first place.

[quote]Read speculation by Richard Eden that Harry's left the racist reveal for Meghan to write about. Given the numbers, you gotta figure her book comes out sooner rather than later.

But how can that be? Harry himself has said over and over that he was the one who had the conversation with his so-called "racist" relative, and he relayed it to Meghan who was then supposedly upset. If she reveals it in her book, she'll have to quote him, and he's just said several times this past week he will never reveal the identity of the person or discuss the conversation again.

Giving you blow by blows as I read! Now he’s blaming Sara, their top cons person, for insisting on lying to the press about when Meghan was in labor. She’d already given birth when they communicated she was still in labor.

He says it was Sara’s idea to build up the drama before announcing the birth much later. Harry argued against it but she did it anyway.

Wow! These two are really something. Leaving no fudge unsettled. Sara was the very well regarded com’s chief who left these idiots after 6 months.

Hope their accusations against staff nullifies NDAs.

^no grudge unsettled.

He’s also disparaging Angela Kelly every chance he gets—even when unrelated to tiara gate.

She has a book deal….hopefully will settle a score!

Was thinking the same thing, R328.

There's a good article in "The New York Times" today about him going after the private secretaries of the Queen, his father, and his brother. He does not name them, not giving their positions or referring to them as "Bee, Wasp and Fly." An unnamed source identifies them. They're all of the type who would not resort to the courts, but if leaks from them began...

Sit back with the popcorn and enjoy the show!!!

Eh, I’ve dealt with enough aggressively rude admin types that I’m willing to keep an open mind about the Angela Kelley matters.

Of course Harry comes off like a bitch too— even in his own descriptions of tiaragate.

Anyone have his take on his great grandmother, Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother? She was completely devoted to Charles and Diana was wary of her .

I really don't believe Harry leaked the rumours about William having an affair. Meghan, maybe, but not Harry. I know that may seem ironic, given that he's just spilled a ton of family secrets, but this would be a whole new level of vindictiveness. I can't picture him doing that to his niece and nephews.

I saw Harry on Stephen Colbert last night and was utterly charmed. I pay only minimal attention to royal stuff but now I want to read his book.

It struck me that he was born into the tail end of the monarchy. It's been a dysfunctional family for a long time but the drama surrounding his mother and her death was the really awful. The royal family has become a sort of prison for its members. Struggling to maintain the image of leadership and prestige while falling apart like regular families do. I don't blame him one bit for wanting to escape the prison walls.

William and Kate are like actors. Every day on stage with their children. It's a very unnatural way to live.

The stuff about being entranced by Meghan's Instagram is funny. I suppose after his conveyor belt shagging of big-bosomed blondes young and old, a petite brunette actress who knows how to work her Instagram angles/lighting/filters might do the trick.

As to her using her credit card with him, it smacks of Tinder swindler to me: make a medium expenditure today, live in a palace tomorrow.

"I don't blame him one bit for wanting to escape the prison walls."

Neither do I, if he was unhappy I totally support his leaving and building a new life for himself, it's what I did!

I just don't support his desire to take the family fortune with him, his overwhelming anger at a primogeniture system that's only left him with millions of his own, or his whining about being given the second-best bedroom in the family palaces. If I was Queen of the World, I'd sentence him to work in a refugee camp, and if he was good, after a few years I'd let up and let him work in an Amazon Fulfillment center, and let him live on his own salary. Let him see what the rest of the world has to put up with before he opens his mouth in public again.

He was relaxed on Colbert because he knew it would all be banter and jokes (and Tequila), but what he's done for money is anything but charming. He could have retreated from public life without taking tens of million$ to behave exactly like the tabloid press he excoriates.

Have any of you seen the arrival or departure footage of this dolt at Colbert's Show? It rivals that of a head of state. The level of self-importance of these knows no bounds.

So there's no real scandal in the book, just a litany of petty grievances and small annoyances?

I mean that could have made for a fun book, if it had been written with a bit of snark, dark humor, and/or self-awareness. But if he actually expects people in a world for of poverty, disease, and disaster to feel sorry for him because he got the second-best bedrooms in palaces, he ought to be stuffed with nails!

Harold's sense of humor is the kind that points and chortles uproariously at a severely disabled woman. One thing he ain't is charming.

[quote]He’s also disparaging Angela Kelly every chance he gets—even when unrelated to tiara gate. She has a book deal….hopefully will settle a score!

I would love to read what she has to say about wayward Harry and the whole tiara incident. Worth the price of her book. She will hold nothing back either.

Tattle (a celeb forum which makes the DL look positively light and fluffy at times) just described Spare as "the book that makes Twilight look like Tolstoy", which sounds fair to me

So, rather than name those he accuses, he uses ugly, crude descriptions and nicknames.

Ugly, crude and childish.

He reveals himself as someone with the mentality of a 13 year old boy.

Harry is a little, little man.

Yep r344, I agree, big time. If this is all so true and terrible, Harry, why not name them too? He is so full of shite.

And that doesn’t mean they aren’t assholes too (the admins). But the way he has handled this shows everything about his ass that I care to know.

I could imagine an "admin" not exactly falling all over herself to assist Prince Little Prick. At this point he can't even get an under assistant to an assistant on the horn.

I agree with R346, the late Queens people worked for the late Queen, and not the royal family as a whole. Her grandchildren would get some deference from them, but if Harry expected blind obedience then he was an idiot.

Or rather, it would be further proof of his basic idiocy.

I just finished the damn thing. The Meghan years chapters are truly odd. Doesn't read like written by same author and feel rushed and unfinished. Almost nothing about the Queen's death or the Jubilee.

Lots of petty gripes about William/Charles/staff and way too many gripes about the press, but very little flesh on the bones. Highly suspect that lawyers gutted it, which is why it feels more like an outline than a narrative.

First 2/3 book pretty good. Certainly well written. I would have liked more details about royal/palace living and less about trips to Africa and Army life. The Meghan chapters are bizarre. Wonder if he'll do a reissue after the divorce.

I really don't understand why Charles and William - if this happened at all - agreed to meet with Harry after Philip's funeral last spring 2022. This was just weeks after the infamous Oprah interview, they had to have known he was a leaking sieve. Yet, they still deigned to meet with him privately and have private, emotional conversations re their family life. How stupid was that, in hindsight.

And why oh why don't the BRF believe in old-fashioned NDAs? Like many celebrities and famous folk use. Why didn't they make Kate, Sophie, and Meghan all sign them as part of their pre-marriage work-up? They married into the most famous, and most private family on the planet, whose power rests on their private mystique. I don't understand why not - they are giving them millions of pounds of fashion and jewels to wear, luxury housing, and paid security alongside many other perks. It's a fair exchange.

No, it's not unheard of to use them on your family members - there are several older famous celebs who have allegedly had their children sign these, agreeing that they won't do interviews or write books in exchange for trust income streams or a part of the family fortune. In fact, the elder British rock star contingent (Jagger, Richards, etc - all of those) are supposedly the ones leading the pack on utilization of these. Many of these old stars are close pals with Charles and William.

R349, NDAs are widely used by celebrities, but it's not clear how enforceable they are outside of the employment context. I'd imagine that they would be particularly controversial in the RF context, since the family is meant to serve a public purpose and receives public funds.

I think there's enough tension and dysfunction in the BRF as it is without adding spousal NDAs into the mix.

It's because of the tension and dysfunction that they need the NDAs.

If there wasn't a private recording made of that meeting of Charles, William and Harry after the Oprah interview, then they were naive.

Or maybe there was, but they don't want to make this into a bigger PR problem by calling Harry a liar - and they have the proof.

I hope in the future, all meetings are recorded and attended by attorneys. I don't know what else you can do with a family member who is clearly determined to distort everything to his own advantage, even if it destroys the reputation of other family members - just for fame and fortune, shits and giggles. Harry doesn't care about his family - and she clearly despises them.

Tattle is just like Lipstick Alley. Hard pass.

Agreed, R354. Tattle is horrific - a deranged bunch of loons who think H&M don’t really have any children. I have an awful feeling we”ve had an influx of those cunts recently & I really wish they’d fuck off.

I know Tattle is a cesspit, and I can never make it through more than a few posts on any given thread because they're so vitriolic (not just about Harry & Meghan, but about celebs in general), but I check it every so often just to see the thread titles, which are often quite funny

Anyone have an invite code for this Tattle thing? It made me turn my ad-blocker off and I can't see anything because there are so many pop-up ads.

[quote]It struck me that he was born into the tail end of the monarchy. It's been a dysfunctional family for a long time but the drama surrounding his mother and her death was the really awful. The royal family has become a sort of prison for its members. Struggling to maintain the image of leadership and prestige while falling apart like regular families do. I don't blame him one bit for wanting to escape the prison walls. William and Kate are like actors. Every day on stage with their children. It's a very unnatural way to live.

So here's a counter argument, R335, some of which has been said already, so, briefly, ok, he escaped. He did, since we're using metaphors, need to go on this crime spree.

What I really disagree with is the notion Kate and William are actors, on stage with their children, living unnaturally. That's a factual misrepresentation of them in all three points. Kate and William are doing their jobs, which require a fair amount of neutrality, discretion and dignity. They are not actors. They are not celebrities. They're acting in service of the nation and in representation of the nation's head of state. I know it's easy to be cynical or snarky about it, but it has meaning to the people who aren't cynical or snarky so where's the acting? Is showing up, being (or appearing) interested, shifting a little focus onto a good cause or a person who's contributed to more than their own interests, is that acting or is just consistent with the role and doing it well?

Their children are hardly seen. There is an agreement with the media the children will not be photographed in private. Their parents drive them to school almost every day. After Boston, Kate and William were back in the UK in time for the school Christmas fair. Not a picture anywhere. The children have been seen recently on Christmas day at church and prior to that two of them at the Queen's funeral. That's a lot of gaps between every days.

Is all this unnatural? Or just different from you? I sit here looking out across twenty acres of field (well, at the dark where the twenty acres of field should be.) Is that unnatural because it is different from you? Is where you live unnatural because it is different from me? You follow. They're doing a job. A unique job and a rare job, but they're doing it with more evident dignity and respect for the purpose than Boris and Natasha.

To be clear he didn't need to go on his metaphorical crime spree after escaping his metaphorical prison.

To wit, now that he's escaped to pursue his passion, why hasn't he made better use of his time?

Quite an article in The Times, ending with: Even Spare’s most furious critics acknowledge that Harry’s book is, in essence, a 400-page howl of pain because of his mother’s death. You could easily speculate that the dynamics of Harry’s subsequent relationships with women are dictated by that singular early loss. It would make sense of his railing so hard against Kate’s perceived lack of warmth and Camilla’s alleged selfishness — for their behaving, in other words, in ways that are not “motherly”. It would also make sense of a striking passage in Spare in which Harry describes how, while living in a flat beneath Kensington Palace, he’d watched brown “sheets” rain down from the window of the flat above, eventually realising he’s witnessing the discarding of hair clippings snipped from the head of the son of the equerry who lives in that apartment, by his wife, “Mrs R”.

“For days,” Harry writes, “I went around composing a harsh note to Mrs R in my head. I never sent it. I knew I was being unfair: she didn’t know she was hairing me out. More, she didn’t know the real source of my antipathy towards her. She was guilty of an . . . egregious vehicular crime . . . Every day Mrs R parked her car in Mummy’s old spot.”

“I can still see her gliding into that space, right where my mother’s green BMW used to be. It was wrong of me, and I knew it was wrong, but on some level I condemned Mrs R for it.”

An alive mother, performing motherly duties — cutting her son’s hair — then commandeering Harry’s dead mother’s parking space? Oh, but there are onion layers of mother issues in that odd, touching episode.

[italic]And, of course, it would make sense of his absolute veneration of his wife, Meghan; his rage at those who do not experience her exactly as he does; and his unshakeable conviction that she is at risk of dying, of being taken from him and their children — but mainly, him — just as his mother was.[/italic] - The last paragraph is sobering. As loathesome as he is, it's hard not to feel some kind of pity at the ruin he'll become should the marriage fail. That kind of worship is a lot for her to live with too, though it's harder to feel sorry for her.

Dude is REALLY fucked up. I can't believe anyone thought this was a good idea. He's the laughing stock of the world, airing his mommy issues for the world to see. If I were his wife I would be MORTIFIED!

I know Lady C is not everyone's cup of tea, and I've had problems with her too (she's too enamored of despots and nobility - and that the rest of us should honor our "betters" ha!!) but anyway, I think her latest video has opened my eyes to something thats helped me a lot.

Harry is an addict and, more importantly, he's out of touch with reality (i.e., a form of insanity). And he also has a very serious case of paranoia and numerous delusions. It's a long video but she makes the case pretty well, for me anyway, between minute 15 and 30 or so. In case you want to give her a chance to explain what she thinks is going on with Harry, the link is below.

[quote]It's a long video

As opposed to her usual brevity?

Bravo r358

Scobie said something like the Harkles need to move on and discuss their "work" in the US...umm, what work? Using dead children for PR, writing letters to politicians about childhood Sizzler visits, handing out coffee vouchers, receiving bogus awards? What the hell is it that they think they do?

R365 I was just thinking that after watching the Colbert interview. These two losers never mention a word about what they plan on doing in the future in terms of real work. I mean other than saving the word, collecting awards and speaking to empty UN chambers.

"To wit, now that he's escaped to pursue his passion, why hasn't he made better use of his time?"

Perhaps the real reason he didn't leave the royal family earlier was that he either lacked passions, or lacked the self-discipline to pursue them, and knew it. He talked about going to a game preserve or organic farm in Africa for a long time but never did it, possibly because that move would have required more commitment, real work, and the sacrifice of luxuries than he was willing to put in.

I don't think Harry knows how to really work, or at least, he doesn't know how to work independently. He grew up letting his relatives and handlers tell him what to do, and then he let the army tell him what to do, and then when he had a chance to make his own decision... he picked a wife who tells him what to do. He's made his choice, and he's chosen not to be his own man.

" As loathesome as he is, it's hard not to feel some kind of pity at the ruin he'll become should the marriage fail. "

If Meg throws him out or dies, his mommy issues may well destroy him. But if he realizes that Meg isn't his mother, and that he was wrong about her and she isn't the person he thought she was, he might possibly survive the end of the marriage.

Of course it won't make him a better person, he'll go back to feeling betrayed and enraged, and blame her for everything wrong in his life that he doesn't blame Charles and William for. He'll die like this, because the one thing he'll never do is blame his mother for thoughtlessly failing to wear a seatbelt, thereby causing him a lifetime of grief and pain.

The bravery of Harry. Running away from home at 30 years old, on a private plane with 10 million dollars Mommy left him. Pray for the British Karens. They are real!!

The Bower interview where he described Dimwit's Sandhurst application essay as being like something written by a 12 or 13 year old sounds about right.

The guy only has his parentage and his titles going for him.

Harry = Mommy bought me an XBox right before she died!!.....Fact = XBox didn't exist until YEARS after Mommy splattered in the tunnel. Newsweek is mopping Harry up too.

Hon, Newsweek doesn’t exist anymore. It’s a zombie site for RWNJ delusionals.

Did he mention if meghan swallows his thick creamy loads? or does she spit them on the carpet.

R373 = Do you think you're funny? Because you aren't.

R365, I laughed with Scobie seemed to be saying H&M need to move on and talk about the FUTURE. When you lose the sycophant, you're in trouble.

Well I hope they are. My god are they going to become a cause célèbre here because Harry's likeable in the Colbert type situation? Everybody knew Harry could be charming before the brain rot or Meghan or whatever hit him like a train. But flickers of charisma still pop out - I can see him and his grandmother laughing together.

But he's completely useless - a spoiled petulant forever teenager.

*I laughed WHEN Scobie...

From the New York Times:

"Spare" sold more than 1.43 million copies in all formats in the U.S., Canada and Britain, including pre-orders, according to its publisher. The figure marked the largest first-day sales for any nonfiction book ever published by Penguin Random House.

Do not believe the hype. Harry signed a "multi-book" deal. FOUR books for 35 million. He still has to dish MORE royal trash for years to come to collect that entire amount. Link...This whining is already old. Can you imagine how lame it will be two books from now?

“…..ever published by Penguin Random House” is key.

Penguin Random House was founded in 2013.

R380, Bennett Cerf is rolling over in his grave.

From A Telegraph column about the hypocrisy of Frosty whining about Paul Burrell betraying and selling family secrets.... he makes a good point:

I don’t know who, if anyone, is advising the Duke these days. But if they were any good at their job, they would have told him not to write a warts-and-all autobiography.

Instead, they would have told him simply to write a book about his mother.

The passages about Diana, Princess of Wales are by far the best, and most moving, parts of Spare. And if the Duke had focused exclusively on her, he would have received universal sympathy. Yet, because he’s thrown in all these blisteringly personal stories about the rest of his family, he’s being called vengeful, vindictive, self-pitying and bitter.

Then again, a book that didn’t contain those stories probably wouldn’t have attracted such a vast advance, or be selling as many hundreds of thousands of copies. Spare, therefore, is proving to be a roaring success. Provided, of course, that all the Duke wants from life is to make a huge pile of money.

Talk about books the Giles Brandeth biography, Elizabeth, is good (sometimes fascinating) but mostly retold stuff. Except here and there are crazy little gems that fascinate. It's a very disorderly book... he can be talking about 1947 in one paragraph, Meghan in the next, and then back to '47. For example, the Queen was very open minded about gays - she sent Paul Burrell a wedding gift. Brandreth calls apocryphal the story the Queen Mother said when you've got a minute would one of you old queens bring this old queen a drink? Far too familiar, out of character and beneath her idea of dignity. She and the Duke saw Vivien Leigh and Laurence Olivier in School for Scandal in 1949 - and then went out to dinner and dancing with them at a club off Leicester Square following the performance. Cherie Blair acknowledged the Queen and Duke were amazing with little children. Leo at two sang the first verse of the national anthem and the Duke sang the second back to him. But Blair instructed her nanny not to curtsey to the Queen when she came to the nursery at Balmoral to see Leo.

I am happy to type them up if interesting but I don't want to annoy. Most are as brief as the Leigh story- just little nuggets that explain royal life. But there is one passage that's longer that talks about looking directly at the cameras. It's telling.

[quote]He'll die like this, because the one thing he'll never do is blame his mother for thoughtlessly failing to wear a seatbelt, thereby causing him a lifetime of grief and pain.

Realistically, I wonder if the outcome would be much different if she was alive. She might be the MIL from hell, she'd tolerate no criticism of William - none. And though she may not be fans of Cam & Chuck, she'd realize that their failure ultimately causes more problems for William down the line. So you can't help but think he'd still be angry - just angry at her too, for being messy, crazy and ultimately the flawed human that everyone realized but him.

^ That's a possibility, yes.

The Times... the picture on the homepage has Frosty in a carriage next to Andrew. Knife, twist.

The Duke of Sussex’s popularity among the British public has fallen to its lowest ever level after his claims against the royal family, according to the first polling since his autobiography was published.

The YouGov survey found that only 24 per cent of people have a positive view of Prince Harry compared with 68 per cent who are critical. His approval rating has fallen by six points in a week.

Harry and his wife Meghan are now so disliked by older Britons that their ratings are worse than the Duke of York’s among the over-65s.

The findings will be a relief for the Palace because it shows the duke’s revelations have had little effect on the popularity of the King, the Queen or the Prince of Wales, all of whom attract criticism in the book.

The King and Prince William’s ratings have actually increased since the last polling was carried out by YouGov, while Camilla’s has dipped only slightly. However, the number of people who say they’re embarrassed by the monarchy has risen from 15 per cent to 21 per cent since September.

The Prince and Princess of Wales back in public eye today -looking terrific, sleek and all smiles . Kudos to them.

[quote] On the big day, just after her arrival, she phoned as she was walking into her room at Soho House. I’m here. Come see me! I can’t, I’m in the car… Doing what? Something for my mum. Your mum? Where? Althorp. What’s Althorp? Where my uncle Charles lives. I told her I’d explain later. We still hadn’t talked about…all that. I felt pretty sure she hadn’t googled me, because she was always asking questions. She seemed to know almost nothing—so refreshing. It showed that she wasn’t impressed by royalty, which I thought the first step to surviving it. More, since she hadn’t done a deep dive into the literature, the public record, her head wasn’t filled with disinformation.

[...]

[quote] After a moment Meg asked me something about the Queen’s assistant. I asked who she was talking about. That man holding the purse. That man who walked her to the door. That wasn’t her assistant. After a moment Meg asked me something about the Queen’s assistant. I asked who she was talking about. That man holding the purse. That man who walked her to the door. That wasn’t her assistant. Who was it? That was her second son. Andrew. She definitely hadn’t googled us.

Oh my God, he is SO FUCKING NAIVE

He's not naïve, he's just lying. And his really dim. He might have been unaware at he time, but the whole lie about her knowing nothing about the royals has been debunked so many times. She even wrote about William and Catherine's wedding. I'm surprised he still repeats it. Nobody her age would be unaware of who William and Harry were, at least on a superficial level.

Though knowing him, he probably doesn't believe what the press reported about Meghan.

"Harry, the evil press hates me because I'n a black woman. They want to destroy me just like they did your mother. Please protect me. Only you can do it."

The King's looking rather frail:

If Diana were alive there's no way Meghan would have passed muster with her. Kate possibly.

^ hardly. He looks like usual.

He looks the same as usual. And has more hair than William and Harry combined

[quote]The King's looking rather frail:

He looks a bit tired, probably because he's lost sleep the past few days over all these revelations coming out, from his own son. He'll rebound.

Harry is done now with his media blitz, is there still an interview to come (from the NYT?). But that's it. The Sussexes will have to buckle down now and find something else to do other than slag off their families. That's done for them, they can try it still but the returns will be vastly diminishing for them. What's going to be their new schtick?

R389, Harry's obliviousness to the clues in front of him is intriguing. It never occurs to him that he's constantly being stuck in lousy digs and forced to buy Ikea furniture because he's a slob with substance abuse problems and no one trusts him around the RF's antiques. He also refuses to understand why Charles keeps saying, bizarrely, that he just can't afford Meghan. It doesn't cross his mind that that this is Charles's way of saying, don't do this.

I think Kate would have been savvy enough to get Diana on her good side.

Diana would have seen right through Markle.

[quote]What's going to be their new schtick?

Her tale of woe, by the end of the year. She's probably recording near comprehensible cliches as we type.

I thought this too r396. All the complaining about his 'lesser digs', all the time. When they were still luxurious and on palace grounds! He was a bachelor during the early years of William and Kate's marriage, and a sloppy one at that. Why the hell would his father and grandmother grant him a large house or apartment at KP at that point in time, and spend a ton of cash renovating it for him? He probably spent most of his days in a haze of weed smoke, empty lager cans and takeaway pizza boxes.

Once he married Meghan and Archie was on the way, they gifted him Frog Cott and Charles spent plenty of moolah refurbishing and furnishing that for them. All to their highly specific specs, if rumor was to be believed. They made out fine - they just didn't stick around to enjoy it.

It's my belief that if they had played nice, stayed in the UK, continued to work as royals and minimally get along with everyone else, they would have been granted a nice spread at KP to use when in town. Just not next door to the Cambridges, of course, but still very nice.

I thought they were meant to have the Gloucesters' apartment but then got Frogmore when they didn't want to be near the Cambridges?

I keep remembering the interview with the French Ambassador after the Harkles left Kensington Palace.

He lived at 11 Kensington Palace Gardens (other embassies are on the same street, along side Kensington Palace grounds) and spoke about how "lively" things had been when the Harkles lived at Kensington Palace, with parties, fireworks, etc. And it was quieter since they left.

Not quite the picture painted by Harry's wife about her isolation.

R400, a rumor was put out saying that they were going to get that KP apartment, which is huge, but even Harry doesn’t claim that it was actually offered to them.

It wasn't offered because by that point, the Sussexes and William and Kate were clearly at each other's throats. Things between the two couples was strained at the wedding, and quickly deteriorated further immediately thereafter. No way could they live next door to each other.

Although if things were different, I bet it was the plan to give them the Gloucesters' old apartment. That was the huge spread next door to William and Kate's.

The optics of the spare being given some huge spread at KP would be pretty bad considering Charles’s stated goal of slimming the monarchy.

There’s no way around the inherent awkwardness of treating one kid do differently than the other. It’s probably much better to have 3pmus kids.

Slimming down doesn't mean giving up. The plan was always Charles, Camilla, the Cambridges and the Sussexes. Anne and Edward were the ones at possible risk. The place existed. Sussex having a place to live - especially Kensington Palace where they all live - would have spawned a cranky article in the Guardian and the Mail and then the show would move on.

Great line from Brandreth's book, which was published in Dec. 2022:

"Whether Harry when talking privately to Meghan has ever been as vitriolic about his family as the Queen's uncle David was writing privately to Wallis, we shall never know - or perhaps we shall."

I guess that question's answered.

"Slimming down" (when did Charles actually say that?) doesn't necessarily mean reducing numbers. It means cutting out a lot of the bloated ceremonial. A case in point (which is not specifically Harry-targeted, even though some are trying to spin it that way) is not having all the royal dukes line up and pledge loyalty and allegiance to Charles at his coronation, as is apparently being considered. Another example is not having an investiture for William as Prince of Wales.

Brandreth: the Australian cosmetologist who advised the Queen on make up in the early part of her reign was married to Oscar Wilde's only surviving son.

Was that Wilde son Vyvyan? Oh how I love that name for a boy. (except he went by Vyvyan Holland)

R409: yep!

The KP apartment rumor was probably started by the Sussexes themselves. That certainly fits their MO.

The Brandreth looking at the camera passage:

One of the things that saddened - and worried - the Queen and Prince Philip about Diana, Princess of Wales, was not that she was popular, but that she allowed her popularity to go to her head. They both saw, with much relief, that the same thing never happened to Catherine. Elizabeth was adored once, too - as much as Diana was, as much as Catherine is, perhaps even more so. In the late 1940s and early 1950s, in Britain, in France, in countries around the world, thousands - tens of thousands, sometimes hundreds of thousands - turned out to cheer her. Once upon a time, Philip and Elizabeth were seen - and talked about - and written up - as characters from a fairy tale. The difference between them and Princess Diana is they did not take it personally. When I discussed this with the Duke of Edinburgh in his library at Buckingham Palace, he said to me, "You won't remember this, but in the first years of the Queen's reign, the level of adulation - you wouldn't believe it. You really wouldn't. It could have been corroding. It would have been very easy to play to the gallery, but I took a conscious decision not to do that. Safer not to be too popular. You can't fall too far."

Years later, when Catherine Middleton came along as a potential bride for his grandson, Prince William, the Duke of Edinburgh was, he told me, "relieved to find her such a level-headed girl." "If you believe the attention is for you personally," he warned," you're going to end up in trouble. The attention is for your role, what you do, what you're supporting. It isn't for you as an individual. You are not a celebrity. You are representing the royal family. That's all. Don't look at the camera. The Queen never looks at the camera. Never. Look at who you're talking to. Look at what you've come to see. Diana looked at the camera."

I've been on a walkabout with the Duchess of Cambridge. She does not look at the camera.

"However, I’m already on the 6th chapter of the audiobook" says R159

Well aren't you the special little reader!

Thanks for the quotes from the Gyles Brandreth book. I've been enjoying his comments on the morning shows about the Harry stuff. He's always fair and well-prepared, and he treats the whole mess with humor rather than vitriol.

r407 Charles has long been preoccupied with "slimming" or trimming the monarchy, it's literally been a preoccupation of sorts for him. But you are correct when saying its more about ceremonial bloat than numbers. Although - it's been rumored that Charles has, in fact, privately discussed trimming numbers of working royals as well, such as the Wessexes, etc (this was before Sussexit). Hindsighted imo.

I'm not sure Charles ever wanted to "trim" Edward and Sophie. The concern was perhaps more about their children and whether they would also be princes and princesses and dukes, and the titles continue for evermore (and, as it happens, they do not have/use those titles or HRH). It would be difficult to cut out Edward and Sophie anyway (not that Charles wants to) as they have been good, solid working royals for many years under the Queen. By the same stroke, the Queen's cousins are good working royals, even into their 70s and 80s.

Edward was the son of the Queen when he started his career as a working royal, so it's not clear how he would have been removed as a working royal without also removing Anne.

From a purely selfish perspective, it is very amusing to imagine Diana and Meghan clashing in some alternate universe. Harry's issues would have manifested differently if she had survived, but he would have the same poor character and most of the same resentments. I honestly think that his trauma (while real and painful) has had less of an impact on his character and choices than some believe.

Some believe Meghan would never have snagged him if Diana had lived, but I think Harry would have still resented being the "spare" and searched for a way out, and been susceptible to Meghan's "charms." He might have stayed a mama's boy forever, but equally might have come to resent Diana. Truthfully, while I'm sure she loved Harry very much, she seemed to rely on William and to admire his character much more.

Comparing her with Meghan just emphasizes how charming and charismatic Diana was, in contrast to Meghan who manages to be so dull and lifeless despite desperate attempts to be interesting. A war between those two might have been fascinating

R416, He trimmed me.

Lol it wouldn't be much of a war if Diana were here!

William doesn't respond to reporter who asks if he's read Spare:

I wish Christopher Hitchens was still around... he certainly despised royalty but would have no patience for this bullshit

oh yes about Hitch - you are so right!

I'm the one who linked to Lady C at R362. One thing she mentioned: She believes Harry is not Hewitt's son, but she names a man that Diana DID have an affair with after William was born but BEFORE Harry was born. I can't remember his name (it's after minute 30 somewhere)

She doesn't believe that Harry is this man's son - she thinks he's Charles's - but I was fascinated that she names Diana's lover that would be a better candidate anyway, if one were to doubt his paternity, as Charles jokingly did (which she addresses as well)

It was very good of her to put it out there just to be clear she doesn't believe it or would want anyone to speculate. Class act. Decent. Kind.

Of course Harry is Charles's son. He looks just like him.

R425, he also has Charles’s worst qualities, especially his woe-is-me attitude and his obsession with his own status.

I am no fan of Harry’s, but I think Frogmore Cottage was a mistake. Sure, a ton of money was spent on it, but it was segmented into multiple servants’ apartments. It had to be gutted. And even with a complete makeover it seemed not so dissimilar from a suburban house that a mid-level lawyer and an MD in an area outside of investment banking or sales and trading would own. Or maybe two doctors.

For a 40 year-old couple who were going to be subjected to pretty vicious press treatment even if they did behave and who would’ve been expected to spend their days cutting ribbons at rehab centers and making small talk with over eager strangers - well, I’d pass, too.

Obviously, it is a lovely home, but everything is relative and it was an insult.

R423 Harry has a lot of Prince Philip in his appearance so there is no question he is Charles' son.

especially as a child. they look just alike.

....

r335 Prince Harry didn't want to escape the priswalls. He and Meghan wanted a half in half out deal and are trying to rewrite history on that. Harry very much still believes in monarchy and any associated privilege.

The thing is they don't just throw people out who have occupation of the properties at the Crown's disposal. It wouldn't have been forever, either, presumably. Once Charles became king the spoils fall to him.

Though I agree, Frogmore Cottage is ugly.

R427, Frogmore Cottage wasn’t a mistake. It was a message. Meghan’s bullying behavior was already an issue when the Sussexes were at Nottingham Cottage; that’s where Harry and William had their “fight.”

Since Harry was supposedly talking to Oprah, before the wedding, and since he blew off the Marines memorial in favor the the Lion King premiere, it's possible the RF could see the handwriting on the wall and were not all that surprised the Sussex pair planned to leave.

Given that Mr & Mrs Harry still cling to Frogmore to this day, perhaps the RF did not want them to have a more splendid residence.

And Frogmore got a rehab out of the situation.

Thank dog that KP #1 was not available to the Harolds. Froggy Holler was a good decision

A lot of folks keep forgetting that the Harkles were also renting a large home in the Cotswolds. They weren't staying in Not Cottage the entire time. Is it correct this "little " cottage is 1300 sq. ft.? Doesn't sound that small to me, especially with a big country place as a second home.

R427, Harry and Meghan didn’t have to cut ribbons; they didn’t have to work as royals at all. They could have done other things, and Charles no doubt still would have given them money.

"Prince Harry didn't want to escape the priswalls. He and Meghan wanted a half in half out deal and are trying to rewrite history on that. "

True. Is there anything in the book about the half-in-half-out deal they tried to strike?

I don't think Harry ever understood why the Queen refused the halvsies deal and Charles and his descendants will as well. You can't be a stockbroker half the time, and sell insider trading tips half the time. You can't be a responsible prison warden half the time, and stage prisoner fights on PPV the other half of the time. You can't be a urologist half the time, and sell your patient's dick pics the other half of the time, etc. Harry never understood that, because he never took the royal responsibilities seriously enough, I guess to him they were just some stupid show he had to put up with, but the Queen, Charles, and now William take them deadly seriously. And so do Edward, Anne, and everyone else in the royal inner circle, and doesn't that imply that Harry was never in the inner circles even when he was a working royal duke?

If Nott Cott wasn’t up to their standards I don’t understand why Harry didn’t just wander down to Kensington High Street and find a real estate agent to find him a decent rental in the area, like most men his age would do.

Oh, that’s right - he’d have to pay rent. Couldn’t have that!

At minute 1:01 in the Lady C video in question, she names the person with whom Diana had an affair with between William's birth and Harry's birth was Henry Pembroke = Harry Herbert, 17th Earl of Pembroke

I meant minute 1:01:00 (one hour and one minute in)

Gosh, what a coincidence about the names!

r437, what part of they do not need Charles' money do you not understand.

Harry is this first spare with his own income as a result of Diana's divorce.

Unlike Andrew, Anne, and Edward, Harry does not need to beg the Crown or the Sovereign for a single quid.

If the Firm did not want him to leave, they should have been more careful in their attacks.

But Harry himself has said he even asked the Queen for money and she told him to ask his father.

He probably shouldn't have needed money, but lots of sources have claim that H&M have struggled at times with money - and she's delayed paying bills (or avoided it altogether) and that's been reported in the last year or two as well.

R443 where does he say he asked HM for money?

"[R437], what part of they do not need Charles' money do you not understand."

What part of 'they're living beyond their means' do you not understand?

Harry's inheritance won't pay for a Montecito mansion and its upkeep, nor top publicists and 24/7 multiple armed agents, not for long, and their earnings have been disappointing. They've completely failed to take social media by storm, their Netflix, Spotify, and speaking deals have yielded little hard cash, etc. The money from "spare" will keep them afloat for a while, but not long, not the way they're living.

So if William was born in 1982 and Harry was born in 1984, 20 year old Diana, two years into her marriage, was cheating with a man in his forties?

Sure I believe that.

r442 So Why did he whinge to a global audience on Oprah that his Dad cut his money off? Why did Charles reportedly say when asked by the Queen why he was no longer taking Harrys calls that it was because he wasnt a bank??

r445 Millionaires wanting to live as billionaires.Not going to play out anything other than very rocky.

What's the problem with Nottingham Cottage?

Some previous residents were:

William and Kate lived there, together with Prince George after his birth.

The Duke & Duchess of Gloucester.

Diana's sister, Lady Jane Fellowes, and her husband Robert Fellowes who was QEII's Private Secretary

Colbert used to ask some hard questions, he is no better than Fallon now brown nosing his guests.

r445 is exactly right. They have huge bills, they live more akin to billionaires than millionaires, and its a real problem for them. That $20 million or so that Diana left him wouldn't last more than a few years for them, max, and they'd have to spend down all the capital and have nothing left. Their currently lifestyle is easily costing them several million per year.

[quote]Harry and Meghan didn’t have to cut ribbons; they didn’t have to work as royals at all. They could have done other things, and Charles no doubt still would have given them money.

Perhaps he would have, it they kept a low profile and didn't embarrass the Royal Family or do things that were antithetical to their purpose and existence. They wanted to merchandize their titles, was the problem, they wanted to exploit their royal rank and royal connections for money. Charles and QEII would have NONE of it, rightly so.

and 20 mill over 20 years would make zero interest...

Yes, r452, I was remembering their monetizing today too. Didn’t they actually found a non-profit, branding, website, social media handles, all of their “foundation”? I can’t recall the details, but that felt like it was 100% MM, not Harry.

I don’t mean to pile more onto that bitch, but it seems like Harry would have done that years ago if that was truly his goal. The thing that has changed with Harry is MM.

R442 is incredibly gullible.

[quote]Unlike Andrew, Anne, and Edward, Harry does not need to beg the Crown or the Sovereign for a single quid.

Their mother had a personal fortune of hundreds of millions of dollars at the time of her demise. Her children have no need to beg, ever.

H G Tudor's video on Youtube "No More Books" mentions an interview he heard with one of the top guys at the publisher.

When asked about another book, the man seems to indicate not for a long time.

I don't want to go further. Best to listen for the details of who said what.

Harry was silly to let his father invest his cash. If Charles was Harry's trustee, then Harry was calling Charles for HIS OWN MONEY.

The last straw was removing Harry's cash from the Firm's control.

He was totally independent.

^don'r give idiots clicks

Prince Scare....

R458, if that was the case they why would Charles say he wasn't a bank?

Think again.

Diana left Dimbo enough money that he could live a nice life and nobody would know where he was or what he was doing. But he had to hook up with someone as thirsty and damaged as he is and now they both seek publicity and to control the public's view of them to an unnerving degree. That costs money, as does their fondness for lawyers and litigation.

They can't play the game because they only want to follow their own rules.

They're both vain and stupid. Probably surrounded by expensive staff and consultants they don't listen to. He's made a ton of money from Netflix and his book, but who will ever trust him again? And that money won't last long, the way they spend, although Markle spends considerably less on clothes now that C3 isn't footing her wardrobe bills.

Neal Sean.- "Meghan, Is Her World About to Implode?"

[quote] She probably doesn’t even know her mother. She just used her, which is really shitty.

??? Crazy to create a ridiculous narrative out of spite for someone you don't even know, just because she's PART Black.

Klan Grannies on the rampage...

[quote] Harry's Camila love/hate would be almost amusing if he were still 12 years old instead of 40

Ambivalence toward your stepmother is a lifelong endeavor.

Doria is a lifelong work shy lazy grifter just like her repugnant daughter. Two utter pieces of shit.

I’m surprised this hasn’t been mentioned much in the press: when life became too much—too much!—they asked Elton John to fly them to his French villa.

Their Elton and husband doted on them and Archie. Elton mentions he’s written a memoir and it will be serialized in the Daily Mail. Harry is gobbsmacked and blasts Elton for his hypocrisy of using the tabloids to promote his book.

Wonder what Elton thought of that little nugget.

^before you can oh, dear me…. THERE Elton and husband…

R463, you mean like saying: Unlike Andrew, Anne, and Edward, Harry does not need to beg the Crown or the Sovereign for a single quid?

Or do you chess pieces get to make up all the shit you like because you're so unemployably stupid?

I'd forgotten about all the massively expensive litigation the Sussexes have been pursuing the past several years. That alone costs millions, never mind all of their other huge expenses. It should be no surprise to anyone if Diana's $20 million, left to Harry, is nearly depleted.

When they moved to Montecito we had threads here, we had royal watchers and real estate fans posting in it. There were several largish, private homes or estates for sale at that time, in Montecito. Several of them were half the price of the Tuscan monstrosity they bought, they were a bit smaller, not as lavish (6 or 7 bathrooms instead of 14!), the homes were a bit older and less imposing. They were still private, with gated drives and some will walled enclosures - we wondered why H&M didn't settle for one of those more affordable spreads, instead of the very high-cost one they ended up in.

It's clear they love luxury and the high-life (who doesn't?), but beyond what they probably can afford.

Right. The sudden appearance and embracing of the black mother who had been missing for decades when one wants to start tossing out accusations of racism is not remotely suspicious.

Why was Doria out of her life for 10 years? Childhood years?

Yeah, what is the Doria story? How is it possible that nobody has dug into her apparently missing years? It sort of made sense that the BRF could repress details while H&M were in the fold and maybe they got some cooperation because Doria herself has not sought attention and is not a public figure, but what’s stopping the tabloids now?

I'm kind of surprised how fast this died down. Long awaited tell all autobiography from the runaway prince that became the fastest selling non fiction book in UK history. And the only social media mention I've seen about it after the release day is people reacting to the audio of him saying he soothed his dick with his mums lip cream.

The Economist murmurs that it seems "somewhat untrustworthy:"

What an asshole

An even bigger asshole...

I guess extortion is now part of the Sussex brand.

So he's signalled their new business strategy... they'll keep milking and milking and milking and milking their truth... because they're thinking of the children.

They won't be at the Coronation... because they'll be anchoring with Gayle at CBS.

Do they need to release the bullying report? Should they live with Harry's threats of more where that came from or provoke him into getting it all out there?

Aaand he's back to the IRL vaguebooking.

Yes, Harry seems just the type of person I would go to if I needed rescuing!

Tom Bower claims he has proof of the Doria tale. Was it in his book?

R476, he admits that Charles and William have told him that he’s “paranoid and delusional,” but says that they know what they’ve done to him and Meghan, and they have to admit it and apologize.

He also claims that he’s doing this—trashing and attacking William—for “William’s children,” even though William has told him that his children are not Harry’s responsibility.

This is all creepy and inappropriate behavior.

Tom said that, legally, he couldn't reveal why Doria was absent for 10 years during Meghan's childhood. I assume she was in jail. Weird that he can't reveal that but does reveal she was a heavy drug user and dealer.

In a way, I'm impressed, because for a junkie she looks marvelous!

Doria deserves privacy. But if the press dig deeper into her background, Harry and Meghan need to accept some responsibility.

[quote] Doria deserves privacy.

I would have agreed with you until she appeared extensively in "Harry and Meghan." When she involved herself in all this she chose to become a public figure. Before then she deserved privacy, but at this point she absolutely gets what she deserves.

Does anyone have a link to the Telegraph interview at r476 that;'s not guarded by a paywall? or would someone with access please cut and paste?

R487 a lot of it is here, starting at R51 I think

It's not behind a paywall for me, r487.

Doing a stint in jail is not private information, I believe that's public record so that isn't probably what Tom Bower is referring to, when he says he can't reveal what he knows about Doria due to legal reasons. Closed and private legal records such as divorce and custody records are legally protected in many states (someone here can let us know about California), so if what he knows is taken from those that may be why he has to keep mum (for now). I don't doubt that members of the press have seen those, relating to the Markle family and divorce, they just can't divulge what they saw.

Yes please if someone could post the archived link to the two Telegraph articles, plus the new one by Camilla Tominey posted today titled, "The truth about the row between Meghan and Kate" - we would be ever so grateful.

Kate/Meghan row article

This is the article at R476:

You are a blessing r490 thanks. That is QUITE a read, everyone should head over and take a look at it. Tominey holds very little back.

High points:

[quote]At one point during the Sussexes’ tour of Australia in 2018, according to Low, she allegedly declared: “I can’t believe I’m not getting paid for this.”

Honey you WERE getting paid, millions worth of clothes, jewels, paid security; luxury housing at palaces, the best food and drink that could be bought. A multi-million dollar wedding spectacle. Private flights. Was she not paying attention to what was going on in her damn life?

Harry claims in his book that Meghan was always kind to everyone when they were in the BRF, she never bullied anyone. Yet...

[quote]Yet when an ice cream van was sent to Kensington Palace, it apparently came with Meghan’s strict instructions that it should only be enjoyed by the Sussexes’ crew and not the Cambridges, their staff or even their children.

What.A.Bitch.

Sorry, meant to thank r491 and r492 for their service!

R493, the bit about the ice cream truck is a killer—she didn’t even want the Cambridge kids to have ice cream. It’s Wicked Witch level nuttiness.

I will worry about Harry when all the DL threads disappear.

DL is messy and nostalgic so threads will last here forever. Not sure the general public can stomach another book from him (and his wife) and more interviews talking about how his family hurt his feeling years ago. He might have even exhausted people's positive feelings towards his mother by now with some of his weirdness.

Harry's really quite dim though to continue to antagonize William and Kate and their children. Does he not realize Pa is soon to be pushing 80?

That Tominey article... gloves are off. It opens all kinds of doors.

There’s nothing new in Tominey’s article…nothing. She clearly hasn’t been briefed with anything from the palace, so is just rehashing old stories.

He has a serious Messiah complex

If Twitter is any indication then I would say the majority of people are on Harry's side including the UK

R499, not so. The extended discussion about the dress/crying incident has new details and I’ve never read that ice cream van story before.

R501, oh, we know what Twitter indicates. Unreality.

This popped up on my feed today, Harry claims that Meg booked her a father from Mexico to the UK... on an airline that doesn't go from Mexico to the UK.

r499 actually that's not true. i know all the old stories and that ice cream thing for example has never been printed before.

Is there a non-paywalled version of the Tominey article?

TIA.

R504. Yes, the ice cream story has been printed before. Her PR company trilled that the staff all said “best day ever” 🤮

And there’s nothing new about th bridemaid’s dresses either - except that all the mums were cross, not just Kate.

So maybe a senior aide phoned Tominey with that little morsel. Oh, yes…the gloves are off! 🙄

R506, we knew about the truck, but as far as I know we hadn’t been told that she had banned it from serving anyone from the Cambridge camp.

Knowing Meg and Kate, I would think that the worst think that Meg could POSSIBLY do to Kate is to feed her kids fattening crap!

Meg really missed a chance to get a shot in there.

He's even wrong about the corgis! The DM totals up the misstatements and factual errors in Harry's book.

Let's get this to PART 4!!!

Go Harry!

So no-ice-cream-for-you is new. And the fact all the mums were unhappy about the dresses is new. And the fact cry-gate did not happen at a fitting is new. And that Meagain insisted on calling Kate Kate when the family calls her Catherine is new. And the fact Megantoinette wrongly believed the Middletons used the Windsor lounge is new. And that Doria was given access over the usual securities terrors is new. And the fact they played with Pippa's seating plan is new. And the air fresheners being confirmed is new. And that Meghan acknolwedged to Cambridge staff Kate had left cry-gate in tears is new. And the disputing of whether or not herself shared her kept freebies is new.

And the ever changing story over those killer earrings regrettably is not new, just still really embarrassing.

R499, you have a curious definition of nothing new.

Maybe lay off the Pepsi. Diabetes can affect vision, my little chess piece.

Why does St. Doria "deserve privacy" We know by photos that she was conspiring with the Marklez from the very beginning. Part of her deal besides cash of course was banishment of her ex husband, who had done so much for their daughter during the lost years. Privacy my ass.

Right - the next book with juicier detail is obviously blackmail - “give me what I want or I’ll reveal more embarrassing detail”.

He said that he left a lot out of book 1 out of consideration for his father and brother. Does that mean that in the future he won’t still have that consideration?

He’s an idiotic barely literate fuck being encouraged by that vile amoral succubus of a wife.

Doria never set out to be a public figure, R513, she was dragged into the limelight by her daughter. She's actively avoided media attention since her one day at the wedding, so in my book she isn't really fair game for snark and bitchery.

Anyone who actively seeks fame is, I mean it's totally fair, they want attention and the bitches give it. But I avoid taking shots at ordinary schmucks who get dragged into the media's glare through no fault of their own, unless they've done something seriously wrong. And as far as I know Doria hasn't, she's just another flawed ordinary person who never wanted fame, or scrutiny.

Doria was in the Netflix series and was the one who told MM all her problems were due to race. Even though she was on the other side of the Atlantic.

She created most of this racism shitstorm.

Can someone please repost the link to the pdf of the book? Thanks

Good gracious this is all so petty! That said, I'll be we haven't even reached Peak Petty yet - now that Haz spoke "his truth", I'll bet staffers are going to come forward with all kinds of tales of ice cream, flowers, crying the bathroom, shouting in the hallways, all that. That could easily take DL through the spring!

What I would like to see: one of the networks lines up yet another lightweight interview with pre approved questions, then at about answer three of psycho babble answers, the interviewer says “I’m sorry but I have no idea what you mean. Can you just clarify that?”.

A couple more of those then drop all the pre approved questions and start with:

How can you reconcile your environmental crusade with frequent travel by private jet / the carbon foot print of your 16 bathroom house / why does a family of four need 16 bathrooms? How do you reconcile your belief in a caring and kind society with still, at your age, finding it funny that you regularly mocked a disabled member of staff at school?

You regularly state your need for privacy - how does that fit with you telling us multiple stories about your penis?

Even better if he either tears off the mic and flounces out or his wife storms on set, viciously slaps the interviewer and drags hapless Haz out to the limo.

512 brilliant summation

Yes, r518, that might really put them off their famewhoring. Haz throwing a tantrum would be wonderful to see.

He's a moron. How long will people buy his and Meghan's stories? The money will eventually run out and he will never be let back in any form. The older the kids get, the more the focus will be on them. William's children will have absolutely nothing to do with him or his kids and he has nothing to blackmail them with.

MM's friend Jessica Mulroney was exposed for racism. So does that mean Meghan is also a racist? That is the logic that would be used if one of Kate's BFF's was exposed for racism.

Also, they dismissed the Hussey situation claiming they both love her. But she was accused of racism by a black woman. So are M & H invalidating the lived experience of a black woman?

The claims of racism do not square with their personal actions.

r472 The rumour is that Doria was jailed but at a later point assisted the police and thus qualified to have her conviction removed from the record. That if true would explain why Bowers can say in a legally safe way she sold drugs but cant say she was jailed for selling drugs.

r477 Well Gayle King publicly saying Meghan has receipts and talks between William Charles and Harry post oprah interview had not been constructive very clearly signalled this was an attempt at blackmail and extortion.A shakedown of sorts.It was all done in plain sight days after the interview aired.

r484 r523 post might explain it?

So Doria snitched? Not a smart move to appear in the Netflix show, but then she seems stupid when she speaks.

r501 Twitter isnt reflective of public opinion.If it was then in the UK the conservatives would have lost the General elections in 2015,2017,2019 by quite a large margin,Brexit would never have happened, Scotland would be independent and there would never have been a PresidentTrump.Only about 1 in 6 people have a twitter account in the UK and many of them are not regular users so no Twitter is not the barometer people think it is.

Ask and ye shall receive r516:

This is a small detail in this video that loops about 5 minutes of footage over and over - but in part of it, there's a closeup of Charles signing some document - and I swear his fingers look no where near as swollen as I thought they were in the past. I've wondered what's wrong with him - maybe it's something that comes and goes?

And in the footage of William and Catherine leaving some place (or arriving?) Anyway, someone yells, "Have you had a chance to read the book yet?"

Thanks r528

Philip's hands. Not dissimilar?

That latest interview where Harry claims he's doing this to help Williams children and that his brother and father need to apologise publicly for what had been done to him and his wife is the most mentally unwell I've heard him.

He is losing grip with reality and it isn't pretty

r532 Shame on any enablers.

Almost ashamed to admit it, but this article by Kate's infamous Uncle Gary Goldsmith is very good. It hits all the points so many have made here and elsewhere, about Harry, over the past week (link in next post due to DM ban).

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

William has his father and the Princess Royal to look to for how to deal with a spare situation as well. By all accounts they have an amazing and supportive relationship.

The comment about the kids is going to lose him a lot of good will, if he even has any left. Zero excuse to bring them up.

And the ice cream thing is just unhinged.

One event that Harry didn’t disclose was the viewing of his mother’s body. I believe she was embalmed before leaving Paris and her body lay in wake at KP, the night before the funeral. I always assumed Harry and William would have been able to see her one final time. Maybe this was something too painful to relate or maybe he needed to save something for future books.

Are Charles and Anne really close, R536? I've read a lot of rumors about friction between Charles and Andrew - some plot to replace him? really pretty bad stuff --- but even friction with Edward (and this withholding the promised Duke of Edinburgh thing that their own mother wanted, I mean good god.

Anyway, I don't know enough to be upset on Edward's behalf - maybe he doesn't want the thing. And his stock has soared, along with all the others, with Harry's book. If there's much more scandal in the BRF, I can't see how that's good for its image, so I think everyone will behave immaculately, at least for a while. Not sure you can keep a good lusty man down too long - amIright, Randy Andy?

Link below is to an interview with the managing director of the publishers (Transworld Penguin Random House).

The best part is at around the 5:20 part where he is asked if they will be publishing "another one".

Best you judge his response for yourselves.

R538 I think Charles and Anne are closer than most people realize. He knows Anne will tell him the truth, even when he doesn’t want to hear it. Anne will also tell him when he’s being a big baby, as she reportedly did in the 90s when he was moaning to anyone in earshot how miserable his life was.

Didn't Diana try to treat the boys equally? If so, how can Haz claim he was always relegated as second place to William? If his mother treated him as a spare, why does he idolise her? I bet he thinks all those hundreds of prank calls she made to the wives of the married men she pursued were just more press lies. She must have been unhinged as well. The more he craps on, the more I wonder about her mental state. Didn't she have BPD?

Meghan seems to be awfully quiet during all of this. Seems uncharacteristic for her to allow Harry to have the limelight all to himself. Then again, she may be letting letting him hang himself out to dry while waiting to see how the winds are blowing.

I want to scoop on Doria!! I know the rumors, but can’t they ge officially confirmed? I think it is *hilarious* that MM thought she could skate through this level of scrutiny without her past coming out.

THE scoop, sorry

She's fucking weird. Reading Eat Pray Love and wanting to do a "Julia Roberts Rom Com"??? Does this chick think she could be a movie star?

The irony r545 is that she was soooooo bad at acting. Have you seen her “slutty” scenes? The bj in 90210? The closet make-out scene from suits? She is the hammiest ham who ever hammed.

^I've never seen her act but the absolute confidence that she was just a prince away from becoming Julia Roberts. I'm embarrassed for her.

I haven't seen her act - but she's so shallow and transparently a megalomaniac. I think you need at least some depth to your personality, and she's a grasping empty shell of a person, surviving by desperate greed (for everything, admiration, money, possessions, and on and on...) and also the desperate need for control of and power over everyone she comes in contact with.

Kind of reptilian if that makes any sense. Every second on the prowl to grab something, to show off, to WIN!!!!!!!!!! I bet William and Catherine saw through that at the first meeting. Unless she's targeting YOU with love bombing, you can feel the condescension and manipulation and it's very uncomfortable.

Well I didn't finish my thought - you need some depth and authenticity to be a good actor - you can even have that sometimes with a nasty personality (like Kevin Spacey) but she has such arrested development - she's stuck at maybe 7? You can see her prancing around like she did in that childhood video of hers, where she pretends to be a queen and insists the other little girls curtsy or do what she says.

She still that little girl, personality wise. Trying to learn from Eat Love Pray or SATC how to actually live because she doesn't actually know who she is. There's no there there, behiind her eyes, except that grasping.

r545 apparently she's long thought she could be POTUS.

ALSO: Harry, for his part, tells readers ‘my memory is my memory, it does what it does, gathers and curates what it sees fit, and there’s just as much truth in what I remember and how I remember it as there is in so-called objective facts’.

Meghan and Harry and their "truthiness"

They'll say anything - truth is just a fiction to both of them, whereas I thought it was just her. No, we didn't accuse the BRF of racism.... I hope that William and Charles will protect my privacy if I talk to them in the future, to receive their apologies for everything they've done that's wrong.... my Meghan is perfect, never could bully anyone yet she's always bullied! ..... and she's even worse. When called out on misuing 'archetypes' she makes up her past: I've always LOVED words and one thing I love to do is make up my own new and better definitions for words.... my god she does that for EVERY event. And now, so does he. Or did he always?

Who needs objective facts when you can have curated memories?

“Curated memories” will go down on my all-time DL favorites list. Lmao.

I'm sorry I could never imagine that girl in a Rom Com. Maybe as a sidekick BFF. Bitch please.

The Telegraph interview is another case of Harry using a friendly reporter, but more than that, this interviewer has been involved professionally with H for years now, and he appeared on her mental health podcast. She's indebted to him.

Amusingly, she goes through all recent criticism of Harry and provides PR spin to debunk each piece. Nevertheless, a lot comes through that make him seem like that family member or friend who has joined a cult/become an evangelical/started believing in conspiracy theories/got high and is now on a higher plane. He is enlightened and can save you, too!

This and The Cut interview exhibit the same public relations strategy: the interviewer is welcomed into the home; graciously hosted; shown some personal tidbits (picking up Archie/the family photo + memorabilia wall); introduced to the spouse, kids, dogs; sent on their way with hugs and homemade jam. What the independent reporter and the friend-of-Harry do with it all is very different.

The Telegraph “journalist” is one of those idiots who can only write in the present tense. Like most travel writers.

It’s beyond annoying.

To add r501 and r527, on Twitter algorithms ensure that you are presented with views that reflect your own. There are many Twitter accounts, particularly in Britain, that are highly critical of Harry and Meghan. In any case, the Harkles only became popular with a certain section of the Twitterati when it was believed that they were exposing racism in the royal family. Harry just blew all that up. The Netflix series, the piggy-backing on the Nelson Mandela Foundation's leadership series and this book have seriously damaged the Harkle brand.

Both Harry and his shrew wife should have been relegated to the dustbin the minute it was revealed that MEGHAN BULLIED A THREE-YEAR-OLD GIRL. And her dim husband SUPPORTED HER after it happened!

Anyone who continued or continues to exhibit a shred of sympathy for those clowns after that was revealed is a moron and/or just plain evil. That includes every one of the Sussex media mouthpieces, their publisher, the Twitter squaddies, Netflix, Colbert, Gayle King, Oprah Winfrey, etc. etc. End of story.

Re R549: a story.... I was in TV news for a period in my life (a thousand years ago and nowhere important. Local.) But there was a girl there - nice girl, very pretty girl, who plainly decided she could do that. She was pretty. She could be on TV. And, given the number of middle aged dicks involved in the hiring, she was invited to. She had a breathy little baby girl's voice, nice tits, very pretty face, fun personality and, to her credit, she tried really hard to learn the craft and kept at it for decades (although she never got out of the back of beyond.) And to her credit, she did. But she wasn't a journalist at heart. She had not burning desire to tell stories, she had burning desire to be on TV. Everything she learned, she learned by rote.

There's a difference between knowing you want to be an actress and deciding you're going to be an actress. I add this in support of your point, R549.

Sparkles is threatened by the Wales children, and Harold's life mission is to save them. Horrible people.

R555, except in Bryony Gordon's case they're flattering a big fat girl with emotional problems.

R539, it didn't sound like any time soon, did it?

Look, publishers sell books to make money. Nothing got left on the cutting room floor that was valuable. Just in their bubble is it so.

The arrogance of that statement about Charlotte and Louis as spares.

I'd rather have Kate and William parenting on their worst day than Frosty and Wannabe Simpson at their best, with supervision.

What are the real sales figures? PRH said before release they had over a million orders, then at release it was 1.4 million, with 1/2-off sales in many shops. And now the trumpeting of fastest selling EVER blah blah blah. Will we know the truth about their creative accounting?

If Prince Philip were still alive, he would have wet himself laughing at the necklace/dog bowl incident.

It is possible Harry was somewhat starved for affection / real caring as a child.

He now unfortunately mistakes voyeurism as people caring about his troubles. It would be sad if he weren’t such a douche.

And he needs to make money and has no skills. So, there’s that to consider.

Megs appears to have been a grifter her whole life. Unfortunately she doesn’t have the looks, charm, or ability to read the room necessary to be a really good grifter.

I'm going to take a theoretical kinder view of Markle toward her whole life. She, too, had an unstable childhood: divorce, missing mother (I guess, for ten years?), some element of latchkey, some element of sneak your kid into work today. And she grew up in the shallow world of LA, where the power and the money and the love is in front of the camera. So that's what she saw and internalized.

I say it as an explanation, not an excuse. There's no excuse for being a crap person as an adult, when you have the intelligence to understand there's alternatives and it's not too late. She could have turned around her approach to life.

I have some sympathy for Meghan, R567. It's quite unusual for a teenage girl to live with her dad rather than her mum, which makes me wonder if something serious happened behind the scenes. Her dad sounds awful, frankly, threatening to release dirt on her unless she gets in touch with him. She didn't have an easy start in life.

I don't you're wrong there, R568. His behaviour once the craziness kicked in reflects his coping skills and it sucks, certainly, because he added to the general cheapness of the Markles entering the royal picture. But the general consensus is that before she became Miss Thing, sorry, Countess Thing, her father had been very, very good to her throughout her childhood and adult life.

I've just read my way through the Bryony Gordon treacle, and now the insulin has kicked in, if you want to see an obsequious apologist hard at work, read Bryony Gordon's tribute to Frosty. But, again, you're going to want to understand your blood sugar levels, her stuff is dangerously sweet.

This fits Meghan perfectly. Her long game in setting up her dear husband and future blackmail of the RF.

I would argue that she is a pretty fucking good grifter, R566. And she didn’t break the law. She just manipulated a guy who didn’t break the law.

That’s the way to do it, hook up with someone whose money is clean(-ish) - like Prince Harry or Bezos.

Tom has a whole other set of children and grandchildren who don’t speak to him. Some have never even met him.

He’s living out a solitary alcoholic retirement in a seedy border town.

None of this is normal.

He threw a few bucks at Megs in the form of schooling. But why does he get extra credit for doing the bare minimum in terms of education? We don’t know how he did in other areas, but it doesn’t sound good.

Having said that, Megs is 40 years old. Unfortunately, she’s rarely been in a structured environment (with exception of a few years in “Suits” ) so it’s doubtful she knows how to be consistent in life.

I'm sure if it wasn't good in other areas she'd have monetized it by now.

I bet Doria regrets participating in that documentary.

She did indeed sound very “LA Airhead” When she spoke.

She reminds me of people who have been lifelong heavy pot users. Very spacey.

[quote]I would argue that she is a pretty fucking good grifter, [R566].

Catherine is a good grifter.

Meghan’s grift went sidewise almost from the very beginning.

If Harry had been even slightly less fucked up, he would have dumped her the moment her general trashiness revealed itself (early in their dating— certainly by the time she did Vanity Fair.)

Bare minimum in education? Have you checked the tuition for Meghan's private high school and Northwestern? That is way above bare minimum. Seems like her uncle also helped her out, and she's ghosted him as well. Meghan has a pattern in how she uses and drops people, even if you don't care to see it.

This book and publicity tour is bad PR

A kid is not USING her parent when he pays for her education. As far as private primary schools, Meghan probably didn’t even choose the school. Those aren’t decisions a young child is allowed to make.

Some of you are deeply creepy. Do you also think Jonbebet was some sort of five-year-old temptress?

And we don’t know for sure how Meghan paid for Northwestern. Her father was only occasionally employed (nature of the business.) She could have qualified for lots of aid. But being the shallow bitch she is, I don’t think she’d advertise that.

And i say all this as someone who can’t stand Meghan.

Whether she chose it or not, her dad paid a shit-ton for her education. That is not something an un-involved parent does.

[quote]Whether she chose it or not, her dad paid a shit-ton for her education. That is not something an un-involved parent does.

OF COURSE it is. This is classic checked-out dad behavior. Throw money at it. Plus, your argument was that Meghan “used” her father. Now you’re changing your argument.

Though, again— there could have been significant aid given even in primary school.

A family member has her kid in private school in LA and they qualify for all kinds of school aid even though their household income is around 270k.. That’s not much in LA.

Even when Tom was working on MWC, he was likely making 150k /yr MAX. And some of that had to be set aside for times he wasn’t working.

OMG you are so right! Meghan is a saint! Quick! Call the Vatican and get her canonized stat!!!

How did he check out when she was living with him?

Where was it said she used her father?

I’m with you in spirit, R581 - these threads are becoming worse and worse. I think there’s an influx of straight women, tbh. Used to be bitchy & insightful, now it’s “believe the worst conspiracy nonsense”.

BUT….I’m a bit iffy about Meghan’s claims regarding who paid for her university education. She made a speech saying she paid for everything herself, but her father comtradicted that, called her a liar and says he not only has the receipts for everything he paid, but can prove he was still paying off a loan she took out when she worked on Suits.

The issue is not whether he paid or not, because lots of parents do, but whether she is lying with all her ‘I slaved my way through college” stuff.

Who knows the truth?

I'm not buying the Poor Meghan face, primarily because she herself wrote in 2016, and before, about their close relationship. He was everything, then. Doria comes back on the scene to get in on the grift, and Surprise! Dad's out now, not even allowed to go to the wedding. Wonder why?

Nobody is saying she “used” her father because he paid for an expensive education. One poster made the point that her education was very expensive as a counterpoint to the assertion that her dad did the “bare minimum.”

See r577

It's not just the expensive high school and univeristy, but the elementary school as well.

Her father paid for her to attend a well known primary school whose current tuition is around $27,000 a year. I think it's known as The Little Red Schoolhouse.

It’s nice to see some objectivity around here, R579. The jury is way out for me on Meghan and the more I read about her the less appealing she sounds but I have no idea how much of it is true. Even if all of it is, it affects me not at all.

And it’s funny, I remember the tabloid stories of Catherine (funny how she tells Meghan the family doesn’t call her Kate when Harry clearly does) carefully plotting for years to bag William yet SHES’S Not considered a grifter around here, she’s St. Catherine. Now why is that? Hmmm…

The relentless firehose of unhinged hatred aimed at Meghan day in and day out is like the BRF version of MAGA.

I think Kate is viewed more as a fortune hunter. She really, really wanted the job, but she is actually doing the job.

It would be extremely hard to attribute Kate AND Pippa’s marriages to a combo of true love and luck of the draw. But people understand that other people prioritize different things in their partners and security / prestige is important to a lot of people.

One issue with Meghan is she tried to deny this before anyone even accused her of it by claiming she was unaware of the BRF or whatever she said. And continues to do so via Harry’s contentions that Meghan had to buy them IKEA furniture with her credit card. I know I’m getting details wrong, and I don’t disagree with the gist of what you are saying, but Meghan has brought a lot of criticism on herself ironically by trying way too hard to fight it.

Also, I think that Meghan was certainly subject to classism and snobbery (as was Kate), and it’s almost ridiculous to assert that that never crossed over into racism. Of course there was some racism (I’m not talking about anything the BRF did, just about people’s reactions to her. HER?!). I find people’s denial that this was even a possibility pretty ugly. But I still don’t like meghan. There are just too many red flags.

There are plenty of varying opinions around here, R590. I've been posting since just after Dangling Tendrils disappeared and don't use the word "grifter" nor do I put any of the BRF on a pedestal.

I think many do Meghan an injustice by portraying her either as a victim or a villain, or as having fucked up "the bag". Hopefully she'll one day write a book on how she went from being one of the less attractive chicks on Deal or No Deal to one of the more attractive ones standing on the balcony of Buckingham Palace, rubbing shoulders with QEII.

In any case, she's living what she would likely refer to as "her best life". I can see her managing her mopey dopey husband the way Charlotte Lucas managed hers--I bet he's outside with the kids a lot while she does whatever the fuck she wants in her luxe surroundings, so different from a low-ceilinged cottage or a musty cathedral back in the gray, rainy "small" country and the family she never wanted to have.

So, in fact, R579's "Some of you are deeply creepy" is unfounded because no one said she was using her father.

[quote]The relentless firehose of unhinged hatred aimed at Meghan day in and day out is like the BRF version of MAGA.

Oh please, MARY! There is no "relentless" unhinged hatred at Meghan (ahem, HRH The Duchess of Sussex). Most of here enjoy the beauty of the endless drama and gossip that she and her husband provide. And you're not being honest if you don't admit, it's been ENDLESS, nearly five years worth. They've never been out of the spotlight for a second.

There are a very small handful of nastier posters, who get rude or over-personal in their comments. They are by far the minority here and get slammed for it, by everyone. These are posters that ruin other threads as well.

And so what if Catherine planned to 'bag' William. She's so boring in comparison to Meghan, that's why there aren't half as many posts about her. Meghan with her endless drama, compelling background story, florid prose and over-verbosity, multiple interviews and media manipulation (when was Kate's last interview? oh that's right...) - there is an endless vein to mine.

Meghan, the perimenopausal bride-to-be pushing 40, bullied a three-year-old girl in her wedding party.

Harry the self-proclaimed war hero couldn’t grow a pair and allowed his perimenopausal bride-to-be bully his three-year-old niece. Now he is publicly wringing his hands over that same niece’s fate as a spare.

STFU, Harry. You need serious help.

[quote]It's not behind a paywall for me

It is for me.

Meghan and Harry remind me of the book The Two Mrs. Grenvilles by Dominick Dunne.

R593, are you illiterate? That’s exactly what r577 said. And I’ve already responded to your question once.

r573 He has 3 children and only one Meghan doesn't speak to him . There is no whole lot of other children. These are facts not opinions.

R579, I think R577 was making two separate points. 1. Her father did more than the bare minimum and 2. Meghan uses people and then drops them.

They weren’t presented as completely unrelated, but reading that as “Meghan used her father by getting him to pat for her education” is a stretch. I’d reconsider the illiteracy accusations.

I agree r594, I enjoy the drama and fun comments on the forums. I don't hate Meghan (or Harry). I wouldn't trust Meghan as far as I could throw her. But I do admire her chutzpah - a biracial, older than Harry, divorced American landed the eligible Prince.

Alernate theory to Kate "bagging" William. She met him, perhaps intended to, and whatever that was about she would be to ignore the other aspect of his life, and they had first a friendship and then a full relationship for several years, broke up, shortly got back together again and then married in due course.

There were two of them in the relationship. Does William strike anyone as the type to be silent about his intentions or expectations? Did she hit him over the head with a polo mallet to get him to propose? Would that have worked with William? Or could it be she accepted he would move at his own pace and choose to support that? Why shouldn't she tolerate that, in the context of whatever her feelings were for him, assuming they were genuine, which there's no evidence to support that they weren't except some snark from the tabloids - and even then they just mocked her waiting and repeated the gossip of some posh people who were rude about her mother and called them the Wisteria sisters - and then later the hissing of a bunch of cunts on the internet who will say anything in service of their boredom, or lately, their false idol? Who's to say she didn't resolve to take on the rest of the malarky in addition to marriage and family with a guy she had usual feelings for? But I suppose she has to be a gold digger because that's a far better story and, these days, useful battering ram.

Although if she was that mercenary, past a certain point she had access to the aristo marriage market, with William or without him. She had the cachet of having been the future's king's girlfriend. She would have had a life with fewer burdens if somewhat reduced riches. (Though Pippa probably lives better than Kate, all things considered. But, arguably, there's your proof of what might have been if she was single post-William rather than becoming his wife. Her sister did pretty well. There is no reason, if we're being cynical, to think Kate couldn't have turned her profile in a duchess or a Mrs. Hedgie or something that paid the bills)

Apparently she's a really nice person, but not a peacock. Google it. The only people trash talking her are those shining lights the Duke and Duchess of Sussex. I think you'd struggle to find one negative story about how she treats family, friends or staff. So I would make one final point: Kate Middleton doesn't have a trail behind her of people she's discarded once they're of no more use to her.

So who is the better bet when it comes to the benefit of the doubt - on the face of it and being fair?

One thing does amuse me is the quality of people sucking Meghan Markle's bathwater. I don't hate her - she's a vulgar joke - but I despise you losers. Why on earth back that horse? It is a mystery to me. She's dreadful.