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Friends Creator Marta Kauffman regrets misgendering the Kathleen Turner character on ‘Friends’

Even though the sitcom ended nearly 20 years ago, Friends remains a go-to comfort watch for many viewers — just look back at last year’s cast reunion, which was watched by a whopping 29% of streaming households in the United States, according to Variety. Despite its prevailing popularity, fans have frequently called out problematic tropes, quotes, and storylines during the sitcom’s 10-season tenure — from the lack of diversity to the frequent jokes about Monica’s weight.

Now, Marta Kauffman, who co-created Friends with David Crane, is addressing one more regret from the sitcom: the treatment of one of Chandler Bing’s parents, a transgender woman named Helena Handbasket, played by Kathleen Turner. Kauffman discussed the character in an interview for BBC World Service’s The Conversation, out July 11.

“We kept referring to [Helena] as ‘Chandler’s father’, even though Chandler’s father was trans,” Kauffman said of the show’s original run, per Radio Times. “Pronouns were not yet something that I understood, so we didn’t refer to that character as ‘she.’ That was a mistake.”

One example of Helena’s treatment on the show? In Season 7’s “The One with Monica and Chandler’s Wedding,” she meets her future daughter-in-law’s parents, Jack and Judy Geller. Jack says he’s “never seen one before,” and is quickly escorted away. “I didn’t even have a chance to act as though I’m OK with it.” Helena’s ex also refers to her as “Charles” in disdain.

Turner, for her part, has expressed regret about the character in recent years, too. Though the Body Heat star told Gay Times that she accepted the role “because there weren’t many drag/trans people on television at the time,” she acknowledged that “people thought Charles was just dressing up,” and not a trans character.

Kauffman’s comments come days after she apologized for another “long overdue” discussion of diversity on Friends — the absence of characters of color. In a June 29 interview with the Los Angeles Times, the producer announced her intention to pledge $4 million toward the creation of an endowed professorship in African and African American studies at Brandeis University, her alma mater. “I’ve learned a lot in the last 20 years,” Kauffman told the magazine. “Admitting and accepting guilt is not easy. It’s painful looking at yourself in the mirror. I’m embarrassed that I didn’t know better 25 years ago.”

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by Anonymousreply 19January 5, 2023 10:11 PM

Turner was hilarious as Chandler's dad.

[quote]she acknowledged that “people thought Charles was just dressing up,” and not a trans character.

The character WAS a drag queen, NOT trans. There is an enormous difference between being a transvestite and transsexual.

by Anonymousreply 1January 5, 2023 7:08 PM

She should regret creating a horribly unfunny tv show.

by Anonymousreply 2January 5, 2023 7:10 PM

r1, the character performed in a drag show, but retained her feminine gender identity offstage, so she was both drag AND trans, which does happen sometimes.

by Anonymousreply 3January 5, 2023 7:12 PM

[quote][R1], the character performed in a drag show, but retained her feminine gender identity offstage, so she was both drag AND trans, which does happen sometimes.

You can dress in drag 24x7 and NOT be trans. The character was never stated to be trans, but always a drag queen. Actually, the fact that Chandler's dad performed in a drag show argues that the character is NOT trans.

By you logic, what would the point or entertainment value of a woman dressing as a woman be? Wouldn't it actually be making fun of trans people to highlight how masculine seeming a trans woman is by having her perform alongside men dressed as women?

No, the character was a drag queen, not trans.

by Anonymousreply 4January 5, 2023 7:16 PM

Stand down, freakshow at r4. Holy fuck.

by Anonymousreply 5January 5, 2023 7:41 PM

[quote]Stand down, freakshow at [R4]. Holy fuck.

Why is it LITERAL violence - lol.

by Anonymousreply 6January 5, 2023 7:45 PM

Feel about in whatever way, but I commend Kathleen Turner for agreeing to play the character and run with it. She was awesome as Chandler's dad.

by Anonymousreply 7January 5, 2023 8:07 PM

Judy Geller : Well, he better not come by here. He can't see the bride in the wedding dress.

Nora Bing, played by the just as awesome Morgan Fairchild : As I recall, when we got married, I saw the groom in the wedding dress.

Charles Bing : But that was after the wedding. It's not bad luck then.

Nora Bing : Honey, it isn't good luck.

by Anonymousreply 8January 5, 2023 8:08 PM

I remember regretting the great Kathleen Turner was used in such a cheap and unfunny gag.

by Anonymousreply 9January 5, 2023 8:09 PM

Yea Kathleen was far above this show and Marta needs to chill the fuck out

by Anonymousreply 10January 5, 2023 8:47 PM

[quote] the producer announced her intention to pledge $4 million toward the creation of an endowed professorship in African and African American studies

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by Anonymousreply 11January 5, 2023 8:52 PM

The entire Friends gang is scared to death of someone making a misstep or randomly coming under the eye of the woke cancel mafia, and that they’ll lose those syndication monies.

by Anonymousreply 12January 5, 2023 8:59 PM

The woke cancel mafia is VERY powerful in the US Entertainment Industry.

by Anonymousreply 13January 5, 2023 9:01 PM

How could Friends and Will & Grace have the same director- and Friends was so deadly unfunny?

by Anonymousreply 14January 5, 2023 9:30 PM

Friends was a #1 show. Will & Grace barely cracked Top 10. The only season that cracked Top 10 was season 4, peaking at #9.

by Anonymousreply 15January 5, 2023 9:33 PM

The rewriting of Will & Grace’s appeal was mostly media driven and media created.

It did do great for featuring gays and was groundbreaking. But it was never a massive ratings juggernaut like many think it was.

Each seasons final ratings ranking and average viewership

Season 1 - #40 averaging 12.3 million viewers a week

Season 2- #44 averaging 12 million viewers a week.

Season 3- #14 averaging 17.3 million viewers a week

Season 4- #9 averaging 17.3 million viewers a week

Season 5- #11 averaging 16.8 million viewers a week

Season 6- #16 averaging 15.2 million viewers a week

Season 7- #44 averaging 10 million viewers a week

Season 8- #61 averaging 8.7 million viewers a week.

by Anonymousreply 16January 5, 2023 9:40 PM

The Will & Grace Revivals rankings

Season 1- #36 averaging 8.85 million viewers a week

Season 2- #72 averaging 5.31 million viewers a week

Season 3- #82 averaging 4.01 million viewers a week

by Anonymousreply 17January 5, 2023 9:43 PM

Charles Bing to his ex-wife: Aren't you a little too old to be wearing a dress like that?

Nora Bing to her ex-husband: Don't you have a little too much penis to be wearing a dress like that?

by Anonymousreply 18January 5, 2023 9:58 PM

Speak for yourself, r14. I found W&G unfunny after season 3, while I found Friends quite entertaining for most of its run (except first and last season, imho).

by Anonymousreply 19January 5, 2023 10:11 PM
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