Four Students Found Dead Near the University of Idaho Part 9 SUSPECT ARRESTED

Killer gives off Bundt vibes for sure.

About suspect Bryan Kohberger

Interesting video posted on last thread

'𝑶𝒃𝒔𝒆𝒔𝒔𝒊𝒗𝒆𝒍𝒚 𝒗𝒆𝒈𝒂𝒏'

Guilty of murder or not he should be removed as a danger to society

Duuuuhhh forgot link to Part 8

So we're going to have 590 posts from the OP in this thread?

Typical.

Hoverers tend to be "European" and "Concerned" about control.

I'm not saying I want you to be slaughtered in a horrific massacre, R6, I'm just saying that if you ever were I'd make sure there was a nice long many-part DL thread about it and I'd especially like the bits where we'd pick over your social media to discuss your tragic existence and many flaws.

A quote from Ethan’s family in the article at R2:

“Over the last seven weeks, we stood by the Moscow Police Department, FBI, and Idaho State Police, confident they would solve this crime. So, when we received the phone call last night, we congratulated them for their diligent work and service,” they said.

This seems like a not-so-subtle dig at Kaylee’s dad, right? Not that I blame them. He was like a bull in a china shop and seemed completely unaware that there were other victims besides his daughter and her best friend.

Looks like the Incel theory might be holding up? Seems like he got thrown out of previous friend groups for bullying and for coming on to a friend's girlfriend. Plus his former heavy drug use, his strong interest in crime (might come off as creepy), his past heavy drug use and his 'dead-eyed stare'. Probably had below average social skills and problems attracting women: despite the fact that he did well academically and seemed to have quite a lot going for him.

I somehow missed the link about his drug use, anyone care to post a link please???

I thought for sure his thinness had something more to do with OCD but that was based on pure conjecture.

R10 see video at R3.

Not confirmed obvs.

OP, still hovering like a fly with a load of eggs to dump on the target.

Jeez R12 with such a slow reaction time, have you considered a job with the Moscow ID Police Department????

Here's another snippet from the NYT to make R12 happy, after that I'm going to bed so he can chill out a little.

******

"B.K. Norton, who was in the same graduate program as Mr. Kohberger, said that he continued attending classes after the killings had occurred and seemed more animated at that time than he had been earlier in the semester.

“He seemed more upbeat and willing to carry a conversation,” Ms. Norton said in an email. She said Mr. Kohberger was interested in forensic psychology.

Ms. Norton said Mr. Kohberger’s quiet, intense demeanor had made people uncomfortable, as had comments he made against L.G.B.T.Q. people.

“He sort of creeped people out because he stared and didn’t talk much, but when he did it was very intelligent and he needed everyone to know he was smart,” Ms. Norton said"

Oh, dear.

I don't hover, like the sad, needy masturbators here.

We hope your tissues aren't running low, even though you're using blood as a lubricant here, Needy.

Another of his deleted Reddit accounts.

R572 No ceiling fans at that house but could still be Kohberger posted? Maybe enjoying horrifying people? But did his mother really turn him in? Can’t find a source on that.

[quote] “He sort of creeped people out because he stared and didn’t talk much, but when he did it was very intelligent and he needed everyone to know he was smart,” Ms. Norton said"

The sin of talking intelligently in a graduate program. A certain sign of a murderer.

R16 interesting. He can't spell. Obsessed with porn and women. Female wrestlers. What a freak.

Is he the guy in the hood?

Kinda resembles him.

[quote] He can't spell. Obsessed with porn and women. Female wrestlers. What a freak.

Bad spelling, porn, and wrestling are hallmarks of datalounge. Careful about throwing stones in glass houses.

Why does his hand in r21 look so weird, like it’s swollen and a different color?

I was trying to understand his hand too, it looks very off.

I dying to hear how that nose got broken.

If he is in that hood in the picture upthread, that is terrifying. He was right there, stalking and studying, and these girls had zero idea.

Do we have ANY other cases with a first-timer taking out four people on a single night? I cannot think of any modern examples except for maybe Gainesville.

There are many men who do not have sex for various reasons. Using “incel” as an insult is not helpful.

One of his friends said he really got into boxing after he lost weight, maybe that's how his nose got broken.

R24 I don't know but I think people are overestimating how difficult it would be.

R25 It's because the killing of three outgoing sorority girls fits the ideal victim for an incel, which refers to a community of sexless men who have specific beliefs and attitudes that lean antisocial

Could be the guy in the hoodie (food truck). On That Chapter, Mike (YouTuber) said that someone at the food truck had followed and kind of harassed the girls, but police ruled him out. Maybe cops said that he wasn’t a suspect b/c cops wanted food truck follower to feel comfortable and not flee very far.

R24

Ted Bundy.

Do we know that his nose is broken?

Can someone hit Brian Entin a neck? Yeesh.

Apparently he was pulled over for a seatbelt violation in Moscow back in August.

[quote] Could be the guy in the hoodie (food truck). On That Chapter, Mike (YouTuber) said that someone at the food truck had followed and kind of harassed the girls, but police ruled him out. Maybe cops said that he wasn’t a suspect b/c cops wanted food truck follower to feel comfortable and not flee very far.

4chan is discussing this:

“you guys think he's the one that called kaylee a btich and made her make him a quesadilla?”

lol

Can someone get Brian Entin a neck? Yeesh.

He has the hand of a black man.

Journalists have already spoken to his aunts through marriage. One spoke of the bizarre vegan thing that happened four years ago after a funeral. A friend who went running with him was in complete shock.

Do you think he would have continued killing if they didn’t catch him?

The house he was in is all wilderness. No doubt they’re going to look for the knife there. He’s currently on suicide watch in jail in PA. They’re saying he has a blank stare on his face.

If they were in a community, they would not be antisocial. I think you are referring to young men who are alone, isolated and go online and/or become violent from reinforced feelings of anger or a shared belief that they are unwanted. It’s a very specific construct that hopefully doesn’t take over.

[quote] Do we have ANY other cases with a first-timer taking out four people on a single night? I cannot think of any modern examples except for maybe Gainesville.

Dennis Rader, the BTK Killer, murdered the four members of the Otero family on a single morning for his first killing.

Also, Perry Smith and Dick Hickock murdered the four members of the Clutter family in a single night.

It's not common, but it's not unprecedented.

Interesting that his high school teacher called him a "good kid" and didn't see any sign of problems. Goes to show that teachers and school admins have no fucking idea who the bullies are. It's not like they wait until they're being observed to bully people.

I guess bullying will always be a scourge in schools. Where are you, Dan Olweus? Or does anybody even care any more? (2 ways working on this would reduce crime: fat kids like him wouldn't be bullied and build up rage -- bullies like him would be detected and something could be done -- see Olweus bullying prevention program - and surely there must be some others working on it... well probably not)

I think there are different types of bullying, and we have no idea if he was a fat kid unfairly picked on by others around him who were basically budding little psychopaths, or if he was an odd child who just stared and behaved strangely, and other children around him had no idea how to deal with it so they fell back on being hostile to him out of unconscious fear.

[quote]R25 There are many men who do not have sex for various reasons. Using “incel” as an insult is not helpful.

“Many”?

Monks, maybe, along with other religious fanatics. The aged. The rest clearly have a deeply rooted lack of social skills.

“Incel” means involuntarily celibate.

Websleuth posters found a tiktok video that the killer made about the crimes. Seems like it can't be linked here, so you'll have to check it out there if you're interested.

Still Believe he’s autistic

Did Muriel kill tiktok links here, or am I doing something wrong?

Found a screenshot of a Reddit account that's allegedly his, but it's been deleted since this morning. Still, the few replies you see in the photo show him being one of those guys who complains about "nonbinaries on kids shows" and who loves Howard Stern.

We may have lost one of the Datalounge incel trolls, folks.

[quote] complains about "nonbinaries on kids shows" (𝑝𝑙𝑢𝑠 𝑜𝑛𝑒 𝑝𝑜𝑖𝑛𝑡) and who loves Howard Stern. (𝑚𝑖𝑛𝑢𝑠 𝑜𝑛𝑒 𝑝𝑜𝑖𝑛𝑡)

He comes out even so far.

I hope he isn't one of The Chosen Ones.

r47 doesn't care if one of his troll buddies is a multiple murderer, as long as he's postin' about how Bieber is a nonbinary groomer trap for little kids.

This is slightly off topic but I have to say that every single one of the truly awful people I dealt with on Reddit (women who someone on here once hilarious dubbed "Ovarian Barbarians") have shut the fuck up since the arrest. It's been delightful over there today.

I think I found a way to indirectly link to that video. It's creepy as hell. I hope Muriel doesn't get mad.

We'll find out later I'm sure but I don't think that's him in the video. Like someone else said on the other thread, BK has "low ears," but the guy in the video doesn't seem to. Can't get a great look at his nose, though.

Also, his previous videos have him showing off Madonna CDs and going to Lizzo concerts and such, and BK is a huge homophobe of the 4chan type, someone who knew him said so in an interview yesterday so that's confirmed. I doubt this Josco1972 guy is BK.

R39, enough with the bullshit bullying.

[quote] Also, his previous videos have him showing off Madonna CDs and going to Lizzo concerts and such, and BK is a huge homophobe of the 4chan type, someone who knew him said so in an interview yesterday so that's confirmed.

We needs links to all of this.

Wait, he posted videos? Where?

Gerald Courcy is reporting that he had an accessory.

R2 he looks just like an actor on a show called Billions

compare

People are wondering if he found his accessory via the online quiz he set up for convicts.

4chan added this:

“There were some other murders in the area that people are suspecting he might be involved in. But did not start at WSU until fall semester. He graduated from masters program May 2022.”

Just like him

No, he looks more like young Michael Imperioli of the Sopranos.

I was thinking he was more like a young Ross Geller

A mix of young Jeremy Sisto…

… and Jake Gyllenhaal

"Registered libertarian"

say no more. The smoking gun.

All libertarians are fantasy murderers. One crossed the line....

Libertarians just want to do what they want to do with no consequences. As if the world works that way.

This case blows my mind because how can someone even kill that many people in one go? But it's happened before. For example, this case is not well-known. Guy Heinze Jr. killed eight members of his family in one go in a trailer park by beating them to death. They were asleep too but it still makes me wonder how he could kill so many in one go.

He's simply a current Jake Gyllenhaal, not a "young" anybody:

True, R69… he’s only 28 but looks like he’s well into his 40s.

Being a former fattie probably explains that, R70.

Bryan called into a true crime broadcast.

There seems to be debate over whether it’s him or not. People are saying it isn’t and this is a rumor that got out of control.

He looks so old that the first time I saw a photo of him I thought they got the wrong guy, it was a local CBS affiliate and I kept going back to their tweet to see them correct or delete and they never did.

Imagine having all that repressed rage inside. It takes a toll . I wonder if he’s killed before.

he do any j/o vids?

The aging and weight loss points to meth.

CNN reports that the FBI tracked BK as he drove across country to Pennsylvania for Christmas.

I remember seeing people on Reddit and FB just shrieking "if the police have a suspect why aren't they surveilling him huh huh answer me that!!!" and it turns out they were.

I would love to know when the police first got this guy on their radar. Surely there must have been something that linked him to the crime before the witness came forward about the white Elantra.

I wonder if he knew he was being surveiled? Probably not

R72, if that’s legit, that’s fucking bananas.

The guy is not mentally prepared and is saying things in a way that’s totally sus if he’s the actual perp: the pauses, the trying to think of shit to say…

Allegedly, this is Kohberger talking about the murders.

Classes in Washington State University and the University of Idaho both began on August 22, 2022 this year. Kohberger graduated from his Masters Degree at DeSales in May 2022, so he must have moved to Washington sometime in the summer. There doesn't seem to be any indication so far of a prior connection to the WA/ID area.

He would have spent some time in his own university meeting professors and classmates, and preparing to teach himself as a TA, and just generally settling in. According to the article I posted at R14, he seemed to want to socialise with his classmates but was rebuffed.

The murders happened Nov. 13th.

So that's a timeframe of roughly 2 and a half months during which he could potentially have gotten to know the victims. But how likely was this? He was older and more worldly and, let's face it, probably smarter than the victims. He didn't seem to have great social skills. He doesn't seem like an obvious candidate to be invited to the frat parties. He was at a different university. Speculation that the killer was an older guy on the fringes of their social circle seemed plausible, especially if he was a contact for drugs, but did someone who only arrived in the area a few months previously have time to make the contacts/suppliers/customers necessary to end up in that situation? Then develop a murderous fixation on one of the victims?

So... perhaps he didn't know them at all? Perhaps he just fixated on them from afar. Perhaps he met one of the girls once and was blown off. Perhaps he cyberstalked them from a distance. Or perhaps he had just planned a random killing and any popular sorority girl would have done?

So far various people from his school colleges have come forward to say they knew him, but no-one from Moscow ID has recognised him publicly so far as I know.

I wish people would be more specific about his homophobic remarks.

A more concerning theory I now have is that he stalked these people solely to complete his crime studies, he must have kept a journal on his progress of formulating the perfect crime hopefully the LE has it in their possession. He stalked these people like a lion on the prowl, it would be easier to understand a motive based on rejection or humiliation but this was 100% cold and calculated without emotion.

In the TikTok video at R81, he says two victims were not in bed side by side. One tried to run, was grabbed hard and shoved on top of her friend.

I bet he just found a pretty girl on instagram and decided she and then her roomies would be his study buddies.

R86 People are calling that 'him' just because of a vague reflected silhouette in the laptop screen.

Yeah, whatever R88.

Allegedly his TikTok account is josco1972.

Check it out or don’t. Makes no difference to me. Posting as it may be of interest to others.

That's not BK in the video at r81. It's not his face or profile, and the speaker is too empathetic to be him.

Healey said she heard other girls tell Kohberger in their high school to "go away, creep" or "I don't want to hang out with you."

"I honestly think that's what led up to this, because he didn't get the proper help, and it was mainly females that bullied him," Healey said.

Despite the bullying, she said Kohberger's grades were always good, and he "was very into his books."

He was a creep and girls telling him to leave them alsone isn't bullying. They could have been nicer but they had no obligation to befriend him. Women are not obligated to date sickos or creeps.

[quote] We may have lost one of the Datalounge incel trolls, folks.

Well, at least we still have you, so we've not lost all of them.

Whatever you say R90.

Off topic but he looks really old for his age.

[quote]Is he the guy in the hood?

Nah. He ain’t never survive in the hood.

Just seen a clip of that Nancy Grace person. Ewww. Vile. I could see her as one of those people who go around putting spikes in the doorways of business premises so the homeless couldn't sleep there.

[quote]that’s totally sus

*eyeroll*

[quote]Off topic but he looks really old for his age.

Extreme, rapid weight loss will do that. Someone upthread mentioned meth and someone on one of the threads said this guy was vegan. Google what Jakob Dylan looks like now for an example of what diehard veganism looks like. Not an ounce of fat on the guy, which makes him look much older than he is. It's your ass or your face, as the saying goes.

Anyway, skipping ahead a little (a lot), let's say he gets convicted and gets the death penalty. We all know it takes decades to actually carry out such a sentence. He's already enrolled in a doctoral programme and is clearly smart and fascinated by his subject. There's no reason he couldn't complete his doctorate from jail. Well, field research might pose some problems: but he could write something about the psychology of death row inmates. It'd be a rare example of someone in that position able to carry out substantial academic research. If it wasn't directly connected to his own crime (thus not leading to the possibility of writing a book which would lead him to profit from his crime) the authorities might even allow it.

Has anyone else earned a doctorate on death row?

The guy in the video has a fairly expressive voice and a slight southern accent. I wouldn’t expect Kohberg to have either of these.

R99 There are lots of fat vegans. That's a myth. If you're vegan you can still eat carbs and fat - bread, pasta, rice, pastries, sugar, oil.

Vegetarians are actually the most likely to be slim.

S/b Kohberger at r101.

Yes, r102, but an extreme vegan doesn't and often slims down quite a bit as a result. It's not "a myth"- there are actual people who look like that and I know a few myself. I specifically said die hards, I did not say all vegans.

[quote] Vegetarians are actually the most likely to be slim.

Vegetarians eat what vegans eat plus cheese and other dairy. I disagree that vegetarians are most likely to be slim. Depends on the individual & whether they're paying attention to nutrition and their weight plus exercise.

That’s why I only eat things that had parents.

R105 I am basing that on actual scientific studies. Who got sample sizes of people and measured their weight. Your opinion is anecdotal.

I know lots of pudgy vegetarians and vegans. I also know skinny ones. My point wasn't to derail the thread with a pointless argument. I merely commented on it because weird people are often very extreme and that may account for his old look.

We have our very own “vegan researcher” here.

What did you research in college? COVID-19? The origins of cancer?

Nah. The feeding habits of vegans.

Fascinating line of study.

[quote]That’s why I only eat things that had parents.

I only eat things with faces.

Not trying to convince anyone of anything R101 as I know as much of the rest of you about him, which is nothing.

However, there is a such a thing as voice altering software and voice changing apps.

Are Twinkies vegan?

Asking for a friend.

There is?! Oh, damn.

Twinkies come from a lab, so I’m gonna say yes.

If you don't want people to call you out, stop saying stupid and unsubstantiated things that you made up in your head.

It's not unsubstantiated that Twinkies are manufactured "food."

Mmmmmm. Twinkies.

R116 Nobody has said otherwise about Twinkies (which are indeed vegan!)

I bet meth was involved. He has that look. He was probably high when he did it. Meth tears down all moral barriers.

He silenced his chainsaw with Twinkies?

The Twinkie Chainsaw Massacre?

[quote]R91 Healey said she heard other girls tell Kohberger in their high school to "go away, creep" or "I don't want to hang out with you." … "I honestly think that's what led up to this, because he didn't get the proper help, and it was mainly females that bullied him," Healey said.

Telling a creep you don’t want to hang out with him is bullying?

Who made up Twinkies R115?

R122, to today’s pansies, yes.

[quote]I know lots of pudgy vegetarians and vegans.

I know quite a few obese vegetarians, r108, but nary a single pudgy vegan (also anecdotal, but what else is there to talk about?).

[quote][R116] Nobody has said otherwise about Twinkies (which are indeed vegan!)

Oh, they are not, r116. They have beef tallow, milk and eggs.

Nah, Twinkies are real.

Trust.

[quote]but what else is there to talk about?).

How about how many punctuation marks you think you need?

Say what? One can never have too many punctuation marks, or too many Twinkies!.

Or too many chain saws!

Mea culpa, r127. I also misattributed a quote, so I'm trying that one again.

[quote]I know lots of pudgy vegetarians and vegans.

I know quite a few obese vegetarians, [R108], but nary a single pudgy vegan.

[[R116]] Nobody has said otherwise about Twinkies (which are indeed vegan!)

Oh, they are not, [R118]. They have beef tallow, milk and eggs.

Ok, now I fucked up another quote. I'm out.

Twinkie on, all!

The vegetarian/vegan chat is really boring, just FYI.

Anyway, some interesting comments from one of Kohberger's friends from community college (source below)

"She got to know and understand him during their talks and classes where she would almost translate for him.

She explained that he was "genuinely curious" and believed that he lived a sheltered life, so he asked questions or said things to other people that they construed as being offensive.

"It wasn't meant to be offensive," she said. "It was like childlike curiosity from an adult, who you would think would know better than to ask a question, but it was such a genuine curiosity. And that's why I thought he was so sheltered, that he just had no idea about these things. And I really just don't think he knew better.""

Definitely sounds like he was on the spectrum, and apparently confirmed by the fact that he alienated classmates in Washington with what they took to be anti-gay remarks.

[quote]Mea culpa, [R127].

Nah, your culpa is just fine. Plus, you’re cute af so you have that going for you.

Posting my own damn post from another thread, onto this one. Lol!

Here goes:

So I’ve been pretty hung up on the theory that these murders happened as a result of an attempted robbery. I’ve been on that train pretty much for the last 3-4 weeks.

Why?

Because it makes very little sense to me, that someone entered that home, for the purpose of slaughtering 4 people, just because.

I also believed that it was most definitely some frat boys, or a friend of the frat boys, or even the boyfriends or friends of the two surviving roommates on the first floor.

I was obviously very wrong about whom I suspected, and in my defense, I at one time went online and wrote that I suspected the Jack S. guy. However, as the case progressed or more accurately, appeared to be stuck, I stopped theorizing on who did this, and I focused on the house, its location, the surrounding area, the backyard, the way it looks from the outside, specifically in the evenings, when lights are on, and the fact that all of the tenants in the home were young women.

The more I thought about the house, the more I kept going back to the singular idea that someone REALLY wanted something in that house, and it was NOT any of the tenants living there at the time the crime took place, nor was it Ethan, or even the adorable labradoodle.

What did someone want? Money, or something worth some money, or multiple things worth money, or a combination of all of the above.

When I first heard of this man’s arrest, & info started circulating about him, I basically doubled down, because I believe this guy was out to burglarize this home, and probably other homes, as well as attempting to rifle through cars that hadn’t been properly locked, so he could perhaps score a wallet or some cash or whatever.

So here’s my question:

Why the fuck is no one discussing the arrest warrant served with a batter-ram, and a SWAT team, on this fucker, In Pennsylvania?

READ THE WARRANT!

1) 4 counts of 1st degree murder.

2) 1 count of FELONY ROBBERY.

I’m sticking to my theory. Robbery gone bad. VERY bad, and here we are.

R134 The article you linked states that he is being charged with felony burglary, not felony robbery. Burglary is entering a structure with the intent to commit a crime, robbery is actually taking something. Not the same thing at all.

Yeah, there's a difference between robbery and burglary.

It's a dumb theory anyway. No garden variety robber/burglar kills four people. What do they get out of that?

Stabbing murders are personal and intense, someone wanting to commit theft would have brought a firearm because they have no interest in getting up close and personal with victims.

This freak went into a stabbing frenzy and cut himself in the act which means the LE have loads of 🧬 to tie him to the murders.

Burglary, in my state, is unlawful entry into a dwelling in order to commit a crime therein. Burglary makes sense, here. Nobody gave the guy permission to enter the dwelling. He entered the dwelling with the intent to harm / kill at least one person. Ended up killing 4.

R135, I did not know the legal distinction between the two, so thank you for pointing this out to me.

But he still went in there to take something that wasn’t his.

Unfortunately, he also ended up taking four lives.

During the press conference, the DA said that second charge is because he unlawfully entered the house for the purpose of committing another felony (1st degree murder).

I think social media will come into play. The girls had such a high profile social media presence.

I realize it will come off as blaming the victims, but what possible good can come from posting skimpy bikini pics on a public profile? The very best outcome is you attract the attention of douchebros. It gets worse from there.

But it might be more about the killer envying their “constant partying with 500 of my closest friends” lifestyle.

As an elder, this sounds like a nightmare. But a fellow 20-something might think this is how life is “supposed” to be.

[quote]But he still went in there to take something that wasn’t his. Unfortunately, he also ended up taking four lives.

Big assumption of you. There is nothing to support that he wanted anything other than to kill.

I have a feeling the cops have a shit ton of evidence that this was 100% pre-meditated. Everything we’ve learned thus far is just the tip of the iceberg.

R142 You do know that millions of women post bikini pics and don't get killed? You say that you realize it will come off as victim blaming - that's because it is.

This case really freaked me out in the beginning because of similarity to Gainesville murders.

Then I convinced myself the killer knew the victims and it was more of a personal revenge killing.

Now that we’re back to possible random killing, I’m very freaked out again.

I would really like to know how he “chose” his victims. If trying to do “a perfect murder” experiment, why drive his own car? I can’t get past that.

Had he been trying over time to establish a “presence” in the area so his car wouldn’t be suspicious?

How did police focus on the car in the first place?

R146 Unfortunately some people have a sexual fetish for killing. It is what it is - it's the main reason why serial killers kill. Personal killings are mostly husbands/bfs/exes but that wasn't an issue here.

R140 they charged felony burglary so that they can use the felony murder rule, which says that, if a death occurs while a felony is taking place, the person can be convicted of felony murder, even if not actively participating with the intent (mens rea) necessary for first degree murder. It is a backstop against losing on a premeditation charge like first degree murder and every good prosecutor likes to charge it with the rest.

Not all jurisdictions have a felony murder law.

[quote]Nobody has said otherwise about Twinkies (which are indeed vegan!)

My point was that without a quote, we had no idea who r115 was replying to, so I was humorously playing Rose and acting as if he/she was replying to the comment above his/hers, which is an understandable assumption when people can't be bothered to specify wtf they're talking about.

R137, why is my theory dumb?

The guy is an alleged former junkie, who MAY have relapsed, and started popping fentanyl or doing meth or a number of different drugs.

He may have gone in there with the intent to steal something, but then Ethan and/or other people woke up.

ALLEGEDLY, there’s one tenant on the first floor, who allegedly said she heard someone rifling through the house, upstairs, but she thought it was just her roommates having a party, and she went back to sleep. I read about this alleged account of events on Reddit, however, so it could all be bullshit.

Another rumor is that there was a Narcan device in the house. If true, why?

Were drugs being dealt out of this house? Were frat boys selling fentanyl, or other drugs at this house?

Truth is, we don’t know, myself included.

That being said, knife massacres are VERY rare. If you’re going to rob a house, it makes MUCH more sense to bring a gun.

But what if he didn’t have a gun? What if he did at one time, and pawned it to cop some dope? Or what if he was such a junkie, that he couldn’t afford to purchase himself a proper gun?

He’s not absolutely brilliant, but he’s not totally stupid, either. What if he had a Kabar in his car for self defense, just in case he needed to use it when driving into seedy neighborhoods, to buy dope? Or even as a weapon when he went into decent, college towns, to buy dope?

Look, I haven’t all the answers, but I just don’t believe this guy was solely motivated to murder 4 people. Probably had the mindset that he would if he had to, but doing so, just because?

Doesn’t it make more sense that he was prowling around the area, figuring out which house to hit up? Or that maybe he had been in the house previously, for the purpose of purchasing drugs?

Sure. He absolutely can be a Ted Bundy 2.0 in the making, but he could also be an addict who was willing to go as far as he had to go, in order to get himself some drugs. And then there’s the possibility that he could be both of these things.

We’ll see how this unfolds. I’m just theorizing like everyone else, and all I know right now is what everyone who isn’t directly involved in this case knows: The name of the alleged perpetrator, his charges, where he lived, attended school, that he was getting his Ph.D. at WSU, he drove a white Elantra, what he looks like, and that he’s currently in a jail cell, waiting to be extradited back to ID.

Bad information here.

Robbery is theft from a person by force or threat of force. Burglary is illegal entry into a premises with intent to commit a crime.

Stand and deliver!

R152 Because a burglar/robber would just run, get the hell out. Why the fuck actually kill 4 people? That's insane. Even a burglar/robber would understand the lifetime implications of that. They would be in prison for life. If they just ran, they'd get a lesser sentence.

R151, no way. I do not believe someone functioning at his level would kill four people for drugs. He knew how to score drugs, give me a break. No way. Also, if he was that savage to get a fix, then how could he magically seem to normal after the killing, able to converse with others about this crime? If it did it to get a fix, he would have had a psychotic break after the murders IMHO.

Maybe they blinded the burglar and he had to slash his way out of the house and all the way back to the Poconos.

From Brian Entin:

“The public defender in Monroe County, PA says Bryan Kohberger is “eager to be exonerated of these charges and looks forward to resolving these matters as promptly as possible.

Says Kohberger intends to waive his extradition hearing to expedite his transport to Idaho.”

R143, and I can say the same thing back to you as well, right?

Are you assigned to this case? Do you know something I don’t know?

Because, guess what? There’s also a good possibility that he may have gone in there for the purpose of committing a robbery, while understanding that he would kill, if he got interrupted.

Could be two things at once. As a matter of fact, people get killed all the time if they wake up during a robbery, or walk in on the robber(s), when getting home from work, the store, a vacation, etc., etc.

I’m just playing the odds here. Robberies that end up with felony murder charges are WAY more common than some psychotic POS, taking out 4 people, all within minutes.

Just my opinion.

No one is saying “you post bikini pics, you get murdered.” How simple minded.

But what possible upside does posting these pics have? And a lot of possible downsides that don’t involve murder.

Effects on potential job searches, for one. Sorry, I’d never hire anyone (male or female) who has a slew of risqué photos listed on social media.

R159 You sound like a dinosaur. Seriously. Very, very ancient.

Again—theft is only robbery if the thief takes something by force from a person. If the killer entered the house intending to steal something, he is a burglar, not a robber.

r134, the robbery theory isn't one to double down on. These were broke college kids who didn't have much money or things of monetary value. The most valuable things they had were youth and relative good looks.

Now that we know Bryan Kohberger, we understand he had a fixation on violent crime, not being a cat burglar. We know he was bullied by pretty female classmates and didn't have much of a social life. Do you see it?

I hope the killer also took risque photographs.

[quote][R159] You sound like a dinosaur. Seriously. Very, very ancient.

Oh, I am. For sure. But we’ll see what comes out about the role of social media in this whole mess. It’s a gift to stalkers and should be treated as such.

burglary theory, r 162

No, robbery theory, r165.

We know he (allegedly) committed burglary by breaking and entering. The other poster has a theory that he did it with the intention of committing robbery.

R164 And it won't get anywhere. Aside from a minority of moralizing judgemental ancient dinosaurs like you, modern society will largely see this as a crime committed by the perpetrator for his own sick reasons against four innocent people who did not do anything wrong.

Sorry for your loss.

R162, thank you for your insight.

Hey. I’m not a burglar or a spree killer or mass murder killer or serial killer.

I recognize that the majority of people, with myself included, do not have the ability to make sense of the thought processes and actions of psychopaths. I don’t work in law enforcement, nor have I been trained as a profiler after getting a psychology degree, because I do not have a psychology degree.

So yes. I understand that my thinking on this is biased, and quite limited. And I also understand that I DO wish that this had been a robbery gone bad, because it’s really fucked to know that someone would do this, just for the thrill and the fuck of it.

RIP once again to these poor young people who are now gone, regardless of motive, and I’m am absolutely pleased that this fucking POS has been taken off the streets.

Very happy that Moscow PD & the FBI got their guy.

Chris Cuomo explains the felony burglary charge. Video at link.

[quote]it’s really fucked to know that someone would do this, just for the thrill and the fuck of it.

That is honestly what most likely happened here.

R167, I see that you have no ability to do a cost/benefit analysis. No one is BLAMING social media users for causing another person’s crimes. It is about risk reduction, much like locking your doors.

R171 Old. Very old. Blaming the victim. Shame on you.

[quote]I know lots of pudgy vegetarians and vegans.

I even know a jazzy vegetarian.

^ this

R172, why don’t you go back to your unhinged vegan ranting? You sound like a professional victim.

[quote] Look, I haven’t all the answers,

No, but you sure have a nautical fuckton of speculation and hypotheticals.

What if ALF came out of retirement and encouraged this dude to kill? What if he was looking for a specific Schwinn bicycle because that’s the only vehicle his dealer will sell to? What if….

The person who said he was bullied by girls was a female who also rejected him in high school.

R169, we don’t need Cuomo to explain it to us. We’ve explained it many times ourselves right here in this thread.

[quote] Sorry, I’d never hire anyone (male or female) who has a slew of risqué photos listed on social media.

Oh, I would, if he were hawt. Imagine this gorgeous dude coming into work every day and you know what he looks like under his suit. Mmmmmmm.

But I digress.

I would not count on a murder conviction without a murder weapon.

This guy won’t have OJ’s lawyers.

I’m very interested in the probable cause affidavit (supporting the arrest warrant.) Sounds like it will be unsealed after extradition back to Idaho. Which should happen pretty quickly since he’s not fighting extradition.

r134, you seem like a kind person and I'm glad you don't think like a psychopath.

He was following two of them on Instagram apparently. If he was tracking them through social media maybe this case will finally teach people to watch what they’re posting online.

Do we still think this guy is a potential serial killer? Did he kill Dylan Rounds? Can we get Moscow PD on that case since they so quickly and quietly solved this one?

And did this sicko skin the dog alive weeks before? If not, some very deranged sicko is still out running around.

[quote]Do we still think this guy is a potential serial killer?

My opinion: yes. Absolutely, yes. The cops will definitely be looking at recent unsolved crimes. And even if this was his first crime, I believe he would have gone on to commit more. This kind of compulsion doesn't go away.

I don’t think they need the murder weapon to get a conviction if the 🧬 ties him to the victims in a way that cannot be reasonably explained away. Since this was a vicious stabbing his blood must be commingled with the victims or present at the crime scene.

R155 Don't you see? He was a one man cartel. It's all coming together now.

I don't think he was in the area when those earlier murders occurred. He was in Pennsylvania when he graduated in May of this year. Also, the poor skinned dog.

Which reminds me, is Murphy ok? Will we ever see him again?

BCK: Bind -Cut-Kill

Good God R178. You’re an insufferable pill.

You could explain how to tie your shoes fucktard.

[quote] LE have loads of 🧬 to tie him to the murders.

They have a lot of bikini bras?

R191, that makes no sense.

WTF are you trying to say?

R178 thinks she is the smartest one in the room.

You win the “insufferable scold of the month” award.

In late November, Moscow police announced that there was no link between the Moscow killings and the stabbings of the sleeping couple in Salem Oregon that happened a year before. I wonder if, only two weeks after the Moscow killings, investigators already had DNA evidence that eliminated a link between the two crimes.

We NEED Chris Cuomo's input!

That’s why he was always at their library scoping out prey

No, we need to input into Chris Cuomo.

[quote] You win the “insufferable scold of the month” award.

Oh, how lovely. I’m dusting off a spot on my mantle as we speak.

Girls, girls! No fighting in the murder thread!!

It’s a virtual award.

Has it been established when Kohberger left Idaho?

Yes, ‘um, r200.

And I’m very disappointed, r201. After I made space and everything?

R202, I thought it was immediately after the crime. I could be wrong, but I thought that’s what made the Elantra such a vehicle of interest…no one could find it after the crime.

[quote]No, but you sure have a nautical fuckton of speculation and hypotheticals.

I love "nautical fuckton", r176. Stealing it shamelessly.

[quote]Mea culpa, [[R127]].

[quote]Nah, your culpa is just fine. Plus, you’re cute af so you have that going for you.

Aw, yer a doll, r133. I wuz just funnin' too. I gave up my true crime obsession ages ago.

No, no, apparently he went back to class with startling theories

He almost failed the class because his thoughts were too disorganized

R151 and he just also happens to be a criminology student specifically obsessed with details/stories about committing violent crimes and breaking into homes to approach and attack victims? and then calls into true crime shows acting like a creep? nothing about this is a robbers MO, this would be the most shocking and unique robbery gone wrong of all time if that were true. you just want to feel like you have a special take.

I’ve posted this before, but MANY years ago there was a known older guy creeper on our college campus. All the girls knew who he was . He had creeped on all of us. He was slightly older and seemed to be a “sometime” student.

He asked me out once and I said “oh, I’m going out of town this weekend.”

That weekend, he apparently followed me and my friends to the campus pool and confronted me about “lying” to him about going out of town.

I gave some lame excuse about changed plans, and he seemed to accept that.

I often wonder if my “you must spare a man’s feelings at all costs” social conditioning saved my life.

Nowadays, a young woman would (rightly) just tell the guy to go fuck himself.

The guy disappeared shortly after that. He drove a very distinctive car, and seemed to be everywhere all the time.

Then, he was just gone.

Somebody at WSU said that Bryan was back at WSU before Christmas (and after the crime, though no one knew that then), and he was more upbeat than usual. "Duping Delight" I think they call it. When Chris Watts was interviewed after killing his wife and two toddlers (but no one knew it), you can catch him smiling while talking about them being missing.

The call to the podcast was creepy. He was trying to get police to go after the frat boys!

I love frat boys.

[quote]ancient dinosaurs

Is there any other kind?

[quote] I love frat boys.

Frat boys don't seem very welcoming to gay boys and men.

You’re not seeing the right ones then.

I don’t see how they linked the car to him through records before someone tipped them off to the fact. The car wasn’t registered in Idaho. Probably PA. Someone squealed.

They were looking at everyone in Idaho who registered that type of vehicle through records.

^ Sometimes we're both - gay and frat boys.

“Phase 2 of the investigation now begins with pending evidentiary confirmation of the perpetrator's primary partner in crime. This person is obsessed with the Hitchcock movie #Rope which reveals much.”

Somewhere I read that his mother reported that her son had the Elantra (it was actually her car) and was in the area. On one of these threads I think.

“Coke-fueled frenzy focused on the "party house" b/c perp was "jealous" of "bacchanalian lifestyle" there. Epithelial DNA was the key as I reported. Not the 1st time he has killed.”

I heard that his mother turned him in on a thread here. No idea if that is actually true.

Apparently they traced him through genealogy and then narrowed it down by looking at the cars those people owned.

R222 Why the hell would his mother be on DL? At least link to the thread ffs.

R223 That sounds interesting - do you have a link please?

OMG, could his mother be Cheryl?

Or Greg?

In one of the thousands of posts in these threads, someone said that his mother called the authorities and said her son had an Elantra like the one they described. It was an anonymous post so there's no reason to trust it as definitive proof that this happened - but it might have. Maybe she wanted him caught, if he did this, rather than kill again or commit suicide.

anon post so okay, I would rather have some more reliable evidence than that.

[quote] Killer gives off Bundt vibes for sure.

Ooooh, chills!!! I thought the same exact thing.

Bundt was a killer who broke the mold.

New article on the Fail about BK harassing girls at a brewery.

Not that they deserved it, but those posing lesbians probably brought a lot of undue attention with their dye jobs and provocative poses.

[quote] Why the fuck is no one discussing the arrest warrant served with a batter-ram, and a SWAT team, on this fucker, In Pennsylvania?

Huh?

Slap dem fratties on da bump.

You think they had drugs and his being a drug addict led to him killing them over not being able to score them from them?

R223, let's see if you can guess why this is a no-brainer and chatting about the circumstances is just babbly gossip about a nothing detail.

Hint: Armed and dangerous infamous and savage murder suspect, and they didn't want a suicide since they know he's a nutcase additional to everything else.

Is it possible that Bryan was fratanon? He was a local grad student and is a member of a different frat, perhaps he might be privy to rumors about greek life in the area.

R235 no, finding a drug dealer is incredibly trivial these days. Just go on snapchat or instagram lol, it's all in the open and LE doesn't do fucking shit about it.

I guess the only question now is why? 🤔

Thrill-kill by a psychopath.

I’d say “Did he act alone?” Is a question.

R176

I learned a new phrase on New Years!

"a nautical fuckton "

You always have to keep learning.

His attorney said BK will waive an extradition hearing.

Pennsylvania’s Monroe county chief public defender, Jason LaBar, said on Saturday that he plans to tell a judge there on Tuesday that Kohberger will waive his extradition hearing there so that he can be quickly brought to Idaho to face the charges and is eager to be exonerated.

R243 that's exciting, means we'll probably see the PCA and a lot of new information next week.

What if after all this it’s the wrong guy?

[quote] I learned a new phrase on New Years! "a nautical fuckton "

Well, it’s distinctly different from a metric fuckton, so be sure you know the difference.

*wink*

I've been a paying member here for years, and I'm the one who said his mom recognized the Elantra and called the cops. I can't remember where I saw it, sorry. But essentially what I saw said the Elantra was actually hers and Bryan was using it. She obviously knew the close proximity of his campus to where the murders happened. Either way, the car solved the whole thing.

{r191} insufferable pill? I'm guess you're 86 ish?

"Is it possible that Bryan was fratanon? "

You mean the guy on 4chan who posted the bullshit about the Frat boys conspiring to keep Kaylee and Maddie from going to the police about a hazing murder earlier that year? I LIKE that theory!

Okay, there's a good possibility that BK posted on 4chan, telling his dirtbag peers that he was hiding in "shithole Pennsylvania" etc. So if he was on 4chan, why shouldn't he have amused himself by trying to manipulate the online discussion, and get the frat boys he hated in trouble with the law and/or internet wackjobs? Because back when some fools were taking the "frat-based conspiracy" idea seriously, I was both mocking the idea and pointing out that the incels and autists of 4chan HATE HATE HATE frat boys, enough to believe any negative bullshit about them. So really, why shouldn't BK both protect himself and get in some digs at people he hated, by starting a false trail, at a site he seemed to have used?

R250 either that or some other guys in Sigma Chi just used the murders as an opportunity to spread rumors about other frat bros they didn't like

R250 and you have 4chan a bit wrong. There is a huge contingent of antisocial basement dwellers but there are a lot of jocks and chads on there too. I'd say it's 60% classical incels, 30% socially successful jocks who are reactionary/meanspirited, 10% people who have a legitimate special interest and stay in small boards like cooking, photography, automobiles, travel, etc. Also BK himself was in a frat I think.

" Also BK himself was in a frat I think."

That doesn't mean he liked frat boys, or at least, the kind of frat boys who could actually get laid.

Fuck off frau at R249

Is that better, cunt?

[quote]In the TikTok video at [R81], he says

That's almost certainly not him.

I guess what people like about these cases is that they get to make up stories that sound fun to them.

[quote]Fuck off frau

You're a Meghan Markle obsessive hater troll, what the fuck are YOU doing calling someone else a frau?

Can you imagine the fear if you saw this jacked nose vampire at your window?

Being the alpha male he is, I'm surprised that Kaylee's father let her stay in such a dumpy, dimly-lit flop house. The way he describes himself, you'd think he'd ensure his daughter was living in a decently secure building.

I am developing a bad feeling about this - could be the wrong guy. Let’s hope there is DNA evidence.

^ Says Kohlberger's defense attorney

R258 I’m pretty sure it was Kaylee who was the alpha in their father-daughter relationship, judging by her somewhat arrogant demeanor towards the police.

I'm waiting for the musical adaptation

[quote] [R258] I’m pretty sure it was Kaylee who was the alpha in their father-daughter relationship, judging by her somewhat arrogant demeanor towards the police.

Not R258, but when was Kaylee interacting with the police?

R263 bodycam footage re:noise complaints at the house

Thanks, R264. She probably got her attitude from her father.

That photo of Madison sitting on Kaylee's neck is weird, IMO. I realize Madison probably weighed less than 120 lbs., but that's a lot of weight to have on Kaylee's shoulders, plus someone's crotch on your neck.

R265 kaylee is broad and wide. She looks like she’d crush the shotput to me.

R256 = idiot frau

[quote]Another classmate, Sarah Healey, told Fox that Kohberger was bullied by high school girls, who would even throw things at him. “It was bad,” Healey said. “There was definitely something off about him, like we couldn’t tell exactly what it was.  Healey said that treatment might have been a motivating factor for Kohberger “I honestly think that’s what led up to this, because he didn’t get the proper help, and it was mainly females that bullied him,” Healey said...Dominique Clark, who attended elementary and high school with Kohberger, told The Post... at a brewery owned by John Serulneck in PA: Kohberger would ask women — staff or customers — who they were at the brewery with, and where they lived, Serulneck said. If the women weren’t interested, “he would get upset with them a little bit.” In one instance, Seruneck recalled he called an employee a “bitch” when she declined to answer his questions. Serulneck said he was forced to confront Kohberger during his final visit to the brewery. “I went up to him and I said, ‘Hey Bryan, welcome back. We appreciate you coming back. … I just wanted to talk to you real quick and make sure that you’re going to be respectful this time and we’re not going to have any issues,’” Serulneck said he told the alleged murderer, who was stunned. “He was shocked that I was saying that, and he said, ‘I don’t know what you’re talking about. You totally have me confused.’” Kohberger stayed for just one beer and then he never returned, Serulneck said. The interactions happened months ago

The banality of evil.

I screwed up the Dominique Clark quote from the post: Clark described Kohberger as very bright, but odd — especially around girls. “If he liked or was interested in a girl and she wasn’t, he didn’t understand why or just didn’t accept her saying no and move on and so he would have been labeled as a creep or something along those lines,” said Clark, now a critical care nurse who lives in Breinigsville, Pa. “He hung out with the people who were outcasts together. He tried to hang out with people who were smart,” she continued. “He just didn’t really fit in with anybody.”

On Ashley Banfield I think -- someone in Bryan's class said they discussed the Idaho murders in a class where he was, and that he stayed pretty quiet while they talked about it.

They need to make his M.O. public and the sooner the better so we can learn from this. It seems he is a “new breed.”

Maybe one of his classmates will write a research paper on him? Maybe the whole class will liveblog his trial for extra credit?

The Times of Israel:

Ben Roberts, a graduate student in the criminology and criminal justice department at WSU, described Kohberger as confident and outgoing, but said it seemed like “he was always looking for a way to fit in.”

“I had honestly just pegged him as being super awkward,” Roberts said.

Roberts started the program in August — along with Kohberger, he said — and had several courses with him. He described Kohberger as wanting to appear academic.

“One thing he would always do, almost without fail, was find the most complicated way to explain something,” he said. “He had to make sure you knew that he knew it.”

I don't think he's a new breed, I think he's just the nerd version of that Elliot Rodgers guy.

If he did get the death penalty I could see quite major efforts from the faculty at WSU to push for a commutation. Kind of embarrassing for the School of Criminal Justice to have one of its former students executed.

I put this in the other thread - wish we could keep everything in these. But there's a moratorium now on executions for "federal cases" but is this federal or just an Idaho state matter?

Don’t make a federal case of it.

This isn't a federal case, it's a state case, specifically state of Idaho.

Murder cases can be charged in federal court, but this seems like a state case (Idaho).

Murder can only be charged in federal court under very limited circumstances such as killing a federal official, killing during a bank robbery, killing on federal property (e.g. national park or Indian reservation) or killing at sea.

But he did travel across a state line (Washington to Idaho) to commit the crime. If he knows about the execution moratorium, maybe that's why he went to Idaho to kill instead of staying in his own town.

I didn't see R280 before my post, so I'm glad crossing the state line doesn't seem to make it federal

Crossing a state line before you kill someone does not make murder a federal crime.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

[quote] Stalked victims and wore gloves.

Wasn't it getting chilly up in Idaho after the murders falling beflow Freezing ?

Here's what we know so far: he's a creep; he drove an Elantra; DNA has somehow implicated him; he studied forensic psychology and was particularly interested in the FEELINGS associated with criminology; he studied at WSU; and, he has been arrested. Once he is arraigned, we will know more about the charges and some of the evidence. If he is the right guy, then it seems pretty obvious that he was damaged by women somehow and he stalked these girls while studying both how to do it and how to feel about it. He has a superiority complex and he's enjoyed playing with the police. Now, he will enjoy the spectacle and the notoriety. If they have the right guy.

Suddenly waking up to that face would have killed them. The weapon was overkill.

His dad drove him back to PA ten days after the Elantra news went out apparently. Is that who BK thought they may have arrested in addition to him?

Wonder what he and dad talked about during that long drive?

Going down the road feeling bad

R288 I have no doubt he just asked that question about other arrests to creat confusion, he is, after all, the smartest guy in the room. Smart guys always drive their own fucking cars to a mass murder.

He might have been worried about his father.

I hadn't seen the bit about the dad driving him home. The cops picked up the Elantra in Pennsylvania - so did his dad fly out to Washington, get picked up at the airport by Bryan, and then the dad drove him all that way? He's 28 years old. What excuse would there have been for his dad going to all that effort?

And if Bryan was trying to dodge police, they would still be driving in the same car that was being tracked... how would it make any difference if his dad happened to be in the car with him?

Oh now I remember some details on the dad. Other people in the family (the dad's and or the mom's) thought Bryan's dad was a weirdo - lots of arguments and estrangements due to him. Also, he's had two bankruptsies (personality disordered people often have them - and experts think narcissism/antisocial PDs are 50% genetic). The mom seems narcissistic in publishing her daughter's dumb poem in the local newspaper lol. But obsession with mass murder too? I bet she's really been obsessed with this one!

Maybe he likes to try bad things. He tried heroin to see what it was like, then murder.

Have all the Nancy Drew assholes from previous threads who blamed everyone from the victims' parents to their friends to professors chimed in to admit they're assholes?

No R296, but maybe they'll continue to blame a penchant for robbery, after all, he was charged with it. He clearly broke into a house and killed four people cause he's a cat burglar.

Remember that old tv movie about Jack the Ripper? This guy look like him with his creepy red lips

R297, he didn't kill four people because he's a cat burglar. He killed them because he's a psychopath.

I know R299, I was kidding. Wasn't there someone in this and the other thread that said he was there as a robber? It was ridiculous. As ridiculous as the cartel theory.

R300 That poster admitted they were pushing the robber theory because it was hard for them (the poster) to fathom someone killing 4 young people for a thrill.

Innocent!

He robbed them of 250 yrs of life

Fair enough R301, I feel the same way, it's disgusting and scary to think this person really was just a psycho. It's absolutely Thomas Harris-eque that he chose these women on their pictures and stalked them too. I think the robbery would maybe be even more scary though. Shit, I would hope a robber would at least shoot someone if he had to, and I would hate to think someone would kill 4 people simply to steal things. They're both awful scenarios

No, r298, I don't, and I'm a fan of the mystery who took the Ripper tour in London. Who was in this movie?

I pray the CrimeKarens have migrated back to Websloths, r296.

Apparently they did PunchBeetle the whole way home

They are nuts on that site R306.

One poster recently speculated that Kohberger may have filmed the murders with the intent of selling it on the dark web. The reason being that he needed money fast to buy drugs.

R307 Is that like slug bug? I love it but it lacks the charm of the rhyming title.

R301, I find myself frequently baffled by dopes who cannot imagine the savagery of fellow human beings, as if Auschwitz, Pol Pot, Richard Speck, Ted Bundy---had never happened! I'm not talking Medieval cruelty, although there's that, too.

They probably post elsewhere with "I can't believe a mother would kill her child!" Or, "I can't believe sons would kill their mother!"

I think when they've been saying "geneological" DNA match - I think that means they took DNA samples from his mother, father, sister - and matched it to all the blood samples they had from the murder scene. Maybe that's been obvious to everybody but me -- but I just thought of it.

Can they just take DNA samples without the permission of people, R311? Because I can't believe his family would volunteer to give DNA samples.

*I misspelled genealogical...

Oh, and maybe Bryan wanted his dad in that Elantra with him so the police wouldn't shoot into the car to try to stop him in a chase ??? God I'm sounding like a websleuther but I'm just shocked by how the end of this case unfolded. The dad flying out to come home with him sort of blows my mind. Dad had to know or suspect, right? Much easier to send money to Bryan so he could stop at hotels to break the long trip up into segments, if getting tired on the long drive was the issue.

Also I liked this little news clip about the case being wrapped up - a psychologist or something talking about Bryan - the police chief of Moscow crying while being interviewed, etc.

R312 but one news reporter said they identified his dna by matching with relatives. And they've also said he didn't have a record so how would they have his dna already?

Unless he or somebody in his family did one of those ancestry dot com things? I've heard of that being used in other criminal cases.

Someone related to him uploaded their DNA to an online database. It’s done to find lost relatives and fill out family trees.

R308 They learned everything they know about drugs from Reefer Madness and Ronald Reagan.

Wasn't it Nancy Reagan who said "Just say no"? ha ha.

Or maybe that was about sex. But surely, SURELY, Nancy wouldn't be the one to talk about abstinence - or safe sex.

the police can subpoena DNA from a private database (like 23andme/ancestry) OR they can confiscate items that are in a public place that are likely to have DNA from the POI or a relative. For example - the police could follow Bryan, wait for him to throw away a can of soda in a public trashcan, and retrieve that can to test it. There was one case where the police had a suspects boss at work watch out for that for months and he eventually threw away a water bottle. She ran with it to the police immediately and he was arrested soon afterwards. As far as I know this is legal in all 50 states.

R318 is correct about possible DNA sources and matches. This case feels like TrueCrimeTV 101. If the suspect wasn’t a criminology student, I’d say true crime obsessive. But the car thing doesn’t make sense. If this is the car he used to drive to the crime scene it will be a treasure trove of evidence, and it would seem he’d have to know that.

Curious if they’ll get a confession out of him. Locating the murder weapon would be useful, but he might’ve dumped that anywhere in the country.

Those websites used to be for finding long lost relatives. Now, they’re mainly used to get unwanted relatives locked up and out of the will.

A criminology Ph.D. would know about the cops picking up DNA and wouldn't be likely to throw away a can or anything. It was reported that he was spotted in a grocery store in Pennsylvania wearing gloves inside! So he knew they were after him. I can't think of any other reason Dad would have gone to get him.

You know - Dad could have sent Bryan the money to fly home and he could have left his Elantra at his WSU apartment. Dad's probably old and that's a long-ass trip. But... if the car could have been searched by the cops and they could have got his DNA that way.

Sorry to obsess about this... Sheesh. But soon it'll be over and we'll be off on our next American mass murder.

Wait, how confident are we that the father was some type of accessory? That would explain the wife/mom calling in about the car too, I bet she resents both of them.

I think she was hoping it was the father (see R320 )

Had any frau sleuths homed in on this guy before he was caught?

No, they missed this one completely. But they’re usually pretty good because they’re so incredibly annoying and nosy and unbearable

If his DNA at the crime scene was his blood and he has a bunch of scars that may be evidence. But without a weapon or other evidence … I hope they have a stronger case.

He wanted one last drive with his Dad. I'm getting kinda teary-eyed.

I think the car is the key. If he drove it anywhere near the scene, even without his phone, the car's Bluetooth would be sending a link signal to any wireless network in range. From there it's logged with the b/t mac address; game over.

Surely he was planning to trade it when he got it back to Pa.. Maybe that's the reason his father flew out to drive with him. That car wasn't coming back.

If he was selling the car in PA he didn’t need a passenger for that. He would have to fly back alone anyway, assuming he ever was planning to come back.

Unknown DNA found in Idaho during the course of the investigation was taken through a DNA public database to find potential matches....

(you know, I think I remember that his dad had been in trouble with the law - from some interview with his maternal aunt? something like that)

I would be shocked if the knife is recovered, as he could have dumped it anywhere between Washington State and Pennsylvania. There’s always a chance he kept it as a souvenir. Who knows?

Allegedly they have cell phone records that prove he was stalking the victims for weeks before the murders.

Doesn't sound like this guy would have been dating anyone who lived in the murder house - nor would he have hung around with the much younger frat crowd (and therefore been Ethan's friend - or at a party in the house)

So why would his DNA have been there if he weren't the killer? I think an Idaho jury is gonna find him guilty, even if there's no murder weapon and the case isn't the world's best. This case will have hit most Idahoans, if that's a word, pretty hard. Even if they moved the trial to Boise.

They'll have more - we aren't getting what's in the PCA for a few more days. The PCA will basically be the minimum evidence required to get a warrant. That means it is highly plausible that prosecutors had more evidence than will be described in that document pre-arrest. It's also typical that much of the evidence in a trial comes post-arrest, after extensive searching of his home and personals. What we're talking about isn't even the PCA, let alone the full scope of evidence law enforcement/prosecution had before Bryan was arrested, and definitely not anything collected or discovered after the fact. There's really no use in speculating about what kind of evidence will come to trial right now.

Dr. Grande is a creep and a quack who misrepresents his credentials and does lazy researching. I still like his videos. Fun to listen to in the car.

R310 There are so many examples of the savagery of human beings and yet there are so many out there that just refuse to believe it. I don’t get that. Makes me wonder what else these people refuse to believe. Their coping skills are to put on blinders. The very definition of a ‘fool’.

Bundy’s mother maintained her belief in his innocence. I guess it’s just so hard to believe that your son is a brutal murderer or maybe she thought to admit she believed it would make him feel she thought less of him or maybe she wanted to support his lies in the hopes he’d get off. But to remain staunchly believing in someone’s guilt with obvious evidence to the contrary is to let yourself be lied to in order to feel better about your comfort in something other than the facts. Ann Rule did that and when confronted with the truth in court about Ted’s guilt ran down the hall to the court bathroom and threw up.

I think BK took up all these classes on crime knowing he was going to murder and figured he’d bone up first to prevent getting caught.

I don't know how anyone thinks they can get away with murder, especially this type of murder.

I can kind of understand pushing someone of a cliff in a remote area and saying they tripped and fell.

Of course, super rich and powerful people can cause death and get away with it. But he was an average Joe working on a Ph.D.

He wasn't nearly as smart as he thought he was.

[quote]The dad flying out to come home with him sort of blows my mind. Dad had to know or suspect, right?

It's probably more likely that he knew Bryan was mentally disturbed or maybe autistic, and I'd bet both parents had been doing things like this to help him out his whole life.

Are they really going to to go there with insinuating it must've been "bullying in HS"? FFS, he's 28 not 18. At almost 30, that's a ridiculous excuse for brutal murders a decade later. Probably gave off negative vibes around the opposite sex no matter his environment. While overweight guys in HS don't tend to be popular, usually they're just ignored by girls. Anecdotally, but the guys I've known that significantly dropped weight, ended up having the opposite of what's theorized with this guy -- they became overly cocky vs making the chip on their shoulder larger (like this guy may have).

R336: "I think BK took up all these classes on crime knowing he was going to murder and figured he’d bone up first to prevent getting caught.". Good theory, esp since he's *older*, at least for an on campus, out of state, college student. Can't imagine this wasn't brewing in him already and could see him thinking he's slick by that taking up.

R142 ⬆️ and that's why it's frowned on to blame posting on social media -- nah, this guy was going to find his victims, just like past killers did (Like Bundy when there wasn't SM), regardless of what the victims do/ don't do. Did it make it easier to stalk them? Very likely, but past killers found ways to stalk too. That's why there's a push to remind others to not "blame the victim" -- for one, they were already victimized, what's the good of pointing out what they *should've* done? And for 2, esp in cases like this, it's nothing more than being in the wrong place, at the wrong time, through no fault of your own. If it wasn't them, he would've picked out another one, at random, to target. There's probably a dozen other blondes, going to that school, posting on social media, having no idea how close they were to being chosen by this nutter.

R339 The point would be that social rejection continued, he only became more bitter from that point onward because his experiences never changed. I don't think anyone meant to say that it's all about the memories of highschool.

R341 I guess, but what I find frustrating, is to keep hearing this about killers because it comes across as everyone else always being the problem. If "social rejection" kept happening to this guy, everywhere he went, no matter his age, or setting, the problem is him. Tons of people that were bullied in HS don't continue to deal with that into adulthood. Life usually improves. You're no longer stuck in a small town/ school system, with teens (not known for their empathy skills), esp having the opportunity to go to college, where many bullied people find they finally find where they belong (because colleges tend to have diversity).

I didn't have an easy time in school. I know it can leave scars. However; I also know it gets better once you're not obligated to be in that environment anymore. This guy had a decade to figure it out and find ways to socially improve. That's another thing -- they blamed his weight, "he was bullied because he was fat", right? But sounds like he got thin while he was still attending HS -- meaning these poor interactions weren't just the result of just him being overweight.

It's difficult to compare the current era with Ted Bundy's active trolling years. "Stranger Danger" wasn't a thing then and often sex crimes were hushed up and only spoken about in whispers. Girls growing up in the 50s, 60s and to some extent even 70s were taught to be agreeable and helpful. Those poor girls who helped Ted with his books and his "boat" were victims of their social conditioning.

I guess I'll wait to see what else comes out about this guy. I'll just say this; I won't be shocked if they dig up a childhood history of doing weird shit to animals or something, way before the bullying happened.

[quote]R239 I guess the only question now is why

And did the 2 frat boys, Dave and Dave, really get walked in on by Kaylee while having sex together.

I was convinced the killer did NOT drive the Elantra, because even a criminal of average intelligence would be aware of all the cameras and partying college students in the vicinity. I thought he must have (A) lived nearby, or (B) parked somewhere else, fleeing on foot out of camera range. A white Elantra, no less. It shines like a beacon in the body cam footage. It’s no wonder the fool also left his DNA at the crime scene.

Hello, innocent until proven guilty.

R343 true, but not all of them. He also broke right in and brutally murdered some of them, which "stranger danger" wouldn't prevent. Doubtful he would've gave up on his murder sprees if victims weren't like that, it just made it easier, which is why it rarely helps to point out a victim's behavior. I mean even look at this case, where right away we're already seeing "he was mistreated by girls" -- you can't win -- murdered for being socially conditioned to be nice to creeps, murdered for not being nice to creeps. Yeah, predators definitely seem to like to take the path of least resistance, but that's not unlike the molester becoming a priest; they're going to take advantage of opportunities, but won't give up on finding victims just because of facing a few more obstacles.

On a side note; this case is esp scary because it was theorized we'd see a revival of serial killers soon. Something about how our current environment has the right recipe for creating them. That theory was thrown around back in 2018, supposedly to happen by 2030, but maybe it'll be sooner than that.

R347 by a court of law, which we are not.

Clearly

Too many surveillance cameras, cell phones, GPSs for serial killers to operate the way they used to.

Also, lots of internet sleuths acting like John Walsh on America's Most Wanted. (Which is a good thing.)

R350 Casey Anthony and OJ appreciate your message.

R351 agreed it can't be an easy thing to accomplish these days. This one seems to be pulling it off somehow though, which is crazy.

R353 they arrested him recently

Various precautions might not eliminate serial killings, but at an INDIVIDUAL level, this is important information to have.

To fail to learns lessons (if any can be had) from a tragedy is the worst thing you can do.

“He’ll just find another victim, and it might hurt someone’s feelings to point out they should have locked their windows, so let’s not make that information available” is insane.

(For the hyper-literal among us, locking windows is a hypothetical example.)

Serial killers are still active, they just go for victims who live high-risk lifestyles and are less likely to be immediately missed (prostitutes and transients.)

R348 I didn’t say that was the MO for all of Bundy’s victims. And I am not blaming the victims, if anything I am giving context for the victims seeming naïveté for those who may have grown up in subsequent decades when girls were encouraged to be more assertive and “Stranger Danger” was not discussed in schools. Bundy accessed the sorority house because the back door was left open.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

* Should be “Stranger Danger” was discussed in schools.

It says in the article at R358, that this prof thinks the killer was so brilliant and that she recommended him for a PhD program even though he didn't complete his thesis. That doesn't sound normal to me at all....also, she's 33, how has she been teaching at an advanced level for 10 years?

R329, that year of car might not have had Bluetooth.

[quote] Dr. Grande is a creep

In what way?

More armchair conspiracy theory at R323.

I’m pretty sure Dr. Grande is a resident DL’r. His video roasting Anne Heche for crashing her car gave him away.

Kohberger family statement:

"First and foremost we care deeply for the families who have lost their precious children. There are no words that adequately express the sadness we feel, and we pray each day for them.

We will continue to let the legal process unfold and as a family we will love and support our son and brother. We have fully cooperated with law enforcement agencies in an attempt to seek the truth and promote his presumption of innocence rather than judge unknown facts and make erroneous assumptions.

We respect privacy in this matter as our family and the families suffering loss can move forward through the legal process."

R356 Exactly. If you murder fringe people like prostitutes and addicts and you do it out in the elements, you can pretty much get away with it more easily. But going to someone's fucking house in your own car and stabbing them is sure to leave something behind. I'm sure you could murder street people at a high volume in different ways before anyone would even know they were actually murdered. Dipshit here purposely killed a lot of people in a gruesome way, at their own contained residence annd drove to do it. I'm glad that's how it panned out cause if he'd been a cop and killed people on his beat that were homeless, he could have gone on for a long time.

R365 What? No poem? "They were blonde/now they're gone/the beat goes on/let's eat some flan"

"If he is the right guy, then it seems pretty obvious that he was damaged by women somehow and he stalked these girls"

No, if his relationships with women damaged him, it was not because women mistreated him, but because his expectations were so unrealistic that encounters with real women left him angry and frustrated.

That's what I hear from young straight men with poor social skills, when they're able to anonymously discuss their feelings - they're continually frustrated by their encounters with young women, because those encounters never go the way the men expect. They expect to go through certain steps, such as buying drinks and delivering compliments, and to have the women respond by having sex, and not only does it never go that way... lots of women don't even want to go through the courtship rituals they've learned. So they feel terribly frustrated, one said he felt like his ability to look for love "... is being taken away", and some are very angry at life and at women, even though the women have done nothing but fail to live up to unrealistic expectations.

But they refuse to change their expectations, to forget what they learned from fiction or pron, and to base their expectations on observations of real life. I don't understand this failure to change expectations, maybe it's a lack of emotional intelligence, maybe it's sheer entitlement, maybe it's to do with the autism spectrum, I just don't know. But I see it in young straight men, and descriptions of BK's interactions with women sure sound like the same deal.

So, he's a virgin?

Probably an incel, R369.

R368 I agree. I don't think anybody is saying that he was motivated by bullying or rejection in the sense that it's anything to sympathize with. He clearly lacks insight and empathy - never being able to see the way others treat you as a consequence or reflection of your own attitude and behavior. Plenty of people go through what he went through. Not many make it as far as 28 without having some kind of epiphany though.

[quote]“He’ll just find another victim, and it might hurt someone’s feelings to point out they should have locked their windows, so let’s not make that information available” is insane.

Hypothetical example or no, anything along the lines of "they should have locked their windows" is not providing information to people who otherwise wouldn't have known it, it's being judgemental.

Only an asshole would say they should have locked their windows.

I don’t understand why some people are so fixated on finding the murder weapon. His DNA is at the scene. His car was parked outside at the time of the murder. Game over. The murder weapon would only be useful if it was found in his possession or had his fingerprints, but he surely wore gloves.

R374 I agree. The weapon would be nice to have but in an area like that, it's long gone. Just like Jodi A.'s gun. It's gone, daddy, gone, the knife is gone.

People who scream incel are Boomers with no clue about anything today. It’s the same as groomer. You guys are being mocked over this. This guy hasn’t been proven to be a one. He was a typical guy, with a lot of problems. He has been proven to be a drug addict and someone who was fascinated by murder. A former fattie who got off on killing. There have been many people who have killed just to see what it felt like.

[quote]r347 Hello, innocent until proven guilty.

Exactly!

[italic]Leave Bryan alone!

The weapon is most likely at his parents place. It’s a rural area with back woods.

Does Grande extend to describing his cock?

“Innocent until proven guilty [beyond a reasonable doubt]” is a rule of criminal procedure in court. We are not obliged to honor it here.

Grande makes my neck hair stand on end.

R376 Oh no, really? I'd hate to be mocked by 4 chan bros for calling this guy an incel. I'm sure it will come out that he had a string of hot chicks and wasn't angry when women rebuffed him, or not. Like anyone gives a shit if they're "mocked" for calling someone an incel on an anon message board.

A brilliant criminology graduate student is not going to carry a murder weapon around for weeks until he gets to his parents’ house thousands of miles away to dispose of it near their property. Sheesh.

Ever hear of “leave the gun; take the cannoli?”

A brilliant student is also not going to drive their own car to a murd..oh, never mind.

The murder weapon is probably buried in a random patch of wild ground, somewhere near Moscow, Idaho. Of course he could have ditched it in any of 10 states as his dad drove him home, but he didn't go home until some time had passed since the murders.

A criminology major would be very aware of how hard it is to find a small object in a random spot that had no known association with him. I mean if I wanted to hide a small murder weapon I'd just do what I normally do, go hiking and occasionally wander off trail like I normally do, and there would be no way to tell from my cell phone tracking whether I was birding the way I usually do or burying a murder weapon. Hell, if I had to bury a small object I might even take the trouble to follow an Ebird alert, be seen birding away by other honest birders, and take a moment to bury the small thing.

Wow, R376 is defending this guy.

"A former fattie who got off on killing. There have been many people who have killed just to see what it felt like."

No, dear R376--we're laughing at you.

Twinkies contain beef fat so that’s not vegan.

R385 = Leopold and Loeb

You know, I think there are better than usual odds of a confession and guilty plea here. If they have him dead to rights, if they found his car at the murder scene and his DNA under a victim's fingernails, and have proof of him stalking the girls all over town, he may try to fight it... or he may accept a plea deal, and plead guilty to avoid the death penalty.

Of course he'll want to fight for his freedom, and to maintain his belief that he's smarter than all the cops in the world, but his desire to be a big shot in the field of criminology will also cause some mixed feelings. He will really want to share his insight into the minds of killers with people who can really appreciate it, and will make some attempt to publish in the field of criminology from his prison cell...

R335 Dr. Grande is a raging Reich wing Trumper. I unsubbed from him ages ago. He doesn't even try to hide his bias. I can't believe a gay man is still listening to this creep.

This guy is very arrogant. There is talk he committed the crime because he wanted to show how brilliant he is, did it to show he can get away with the perfect murder. If that is so, (and one of his friends said he always had to show how smart he is) it might be, then he might not bother to hide the murder weapon. Could've wiped it off, put it in his bureau and admire it as a trophy like a gun with notches for his kills. Who knows. He may have even thought of using the same weapon again.

But if he's claiming he's innocent why then did the cops put him in a suicide vest right off? I don't know if it's standard procedure to do that all the time in a case of this nature. Is it? Or did he, prior to a lawyer shutting him up, make statements the night he was arrested that made them think, 'heck this guys gonna try and off himself he knows we've got him now'.

I'd love to know the answer to that one.

Btw, in the sixties we were all admonished by usually our mother to watch out for strangers. Very common. We all were aware of that guy who might lure you with candy, that didn't seem right, who hung around kids and if you look up the term 'stranger danger' it says it originated in 1963.

[quote]r390 Of course he'll want to fight for his freedom, and to maintain his belief that he's smarter than all the cops in the world

SCOOP: I can’t reveal who they are, but an insider has informed me Bryan’s filed paperwork to handle his own defense in court (like Darrell Brooks did.)

Trial starts tomorrow.

[quote] I'd hate to be mocked by 4 chan bros for calling this guy an incel.

They’re not. It’s the Wine Moms who watch Ashleigh Bandfied.

R392 I think since Epstein and maybe even before that it's SOP to put someone in the suicide smock. R393 Oh perfect! A fool for a client, etc.

*Banfield

R393, that would make for an epic court room drama! 🤣

We're gonna wring some more excitement out of this thing yet, y'all.

Or in Pennsyvania, do you say "yins" or "youse guys"?

R393 was trolling, as obviously the trial doesn't start tomorrow... but what are the odds this guy tries to defend himself in court? Damn good!

He seems to be arrogant enough, and also so blind to his own deficiencies that he doesn't realize that his complete lack of people skills means he'll be a shitty trial lawyer. Lawyers have to be able to read the judge and jury, and tell how they're responding to arguments, and this guy's reported interactions with women do indicate a complete inability to read the room.

Lawyers also have to go to law school, except for people like Kim Kardashian, who don't have the time.

I think he's really cute and looks like he has a big bulge. Why are they assuming he did it? He looks innocent to me. LEAVE HIM ALONE!!!!! I hope he gets off. I'm writing my first letter to him right now.

You do that R401. Be sure to put the return address on the envelope in case he is found not guilty.

Oh, and leave your windows open.

[quote]r397 that would make for an epic court room drama! 🤣

I’m on the jury! I’ll keep you all posted!

R403 = George Santos

Since they arrested this guy I've lost all interest in the case. Now that I know its just some dumb ass serial killer, and not a whole fraternity drama or even some psycho trumpy gun nut living in the mountains, I just can't care anymore. All the fun speculating on the killer is over.

My money was on a psycho nun stressed out by the declining health of Benedict XVI.

R401's gonna become his pen pal.

R393 That worked out real good for Bundy and Manson. If that is so this will be over real fast.

Wonder if the trial will be televised?

Sorry to disappoint you r405

Does anyone here think he might have been posting here, in the prior threads? One of his childhood pals (a female, on TikTok) who has been posting about him, said today she believed that podcast caller audio that's been making the viral rounds IS him, said it sounds just like him. In it, the caller was blaming the Sig Chi brothers, or trying to deflect interest towards them. We had posters doing that here.

Not everyone can be a Luka Magnotta R411. But actually, weren't we featured on someone's twitter? Hmm....maybe he was.

He did post here R411 but left after being called a cunt one too many times.

Yeah, there was one 4Channer who was trying to push the frat conspiracy idea, and if that was BK then I'm proud to have debunked the frat theory and to have insulted the poster and 4chan into the bargain! Especially since the poster was obviously hurt by the debunking, he was angry that we didn't all fall in line with the stupid idea and praise him and 4chan.

But it's highly unlikely to have been BK, as there are so many nutters on 4chan who'll believe any fool idea about frat boys. If someone is interested in whether that really was BK, I invite them to trolldar/ignoredar that guy, and see if he's been active since BK was arrested.

The parents have spoken.

R415 meet R365

4 young lives/gone too soon/snuffed out like sand in a dune/but who took them from us?/ was it my brother?/nay, I say/ it was another!/soon he'll have his day in court/until then, let's all buid a fort.

They’re saying that the father drove him back to PA after the murders?

[quote] Now that I know its just some dumb ass serial killer, and not a whole fraternity drama or even some psycho trumpy gun nut living in the mountains, I just can't care anymore.

Yes, would’ve been so much more interesting if a “trumpy gun nut” were involved.

A Trumpy knife nut isn't good enough for you?

Seriously, this douche will turn out to be a Trump supporter. All the psychoes in the world love Trump, or used to.

Come to me, crazed psychos, give me your love!

I was joking with my post at R419.

Kaylee's dad is a Trumpy gun nut, R405.

R392 I am the person who posted that "Stranger Danger" was not discussed in schools much in the 60s and 70s. Sure, our mothers told us not to talk to strangers as mothers always have told their children. I don't know where you grew up but in the US there really wasn't a push and concerted effort to educate children regarding predators until Adam Walsh was kidnapped and murdered. I never heard the term "Stranger Danger" until the 90s - that doesn't mean it wasn't ever used, just that it wasn't a household term.

R398, "Youse guys." Maybe Pittsburgh is all "yins," but that's almost Ohio, so whatever!

Somebody or something knocked this guy's nose way out of joint, literally.

Why was a cop running his mouth?

WTF is yins?

[quote] A Trumpy knife nut isn't good enough for you?

Who said he was a Trumpy?

I think it's in their DNA, r427. I've never met one who wasn't a blabbermouth.

R428 yins = y'all = youse guys.

WTF did the mom mean in her letter about school shootings when she wrote:

[quote] “Whatever the solution, I pray we consider the children before the gun”

That reads like a non sequitur.

Somebody check the photo at the link and see if you think it's Kohberger.

He has very low set ears. Could be him. The nose is on point. He wanted to revel in all the damage and grief he caused. Probably jerked off to it later.

I think she meant that gun lovers are so fanatical about gun rights as though they're sacred - but we need to consider the children before the gun.

That's what I thought anyway.

[quote]R433 Somebody check the photo at the link and see if you think it's Kohberger.

I think this is clearer than your pic.

[italic]Is it him ? ?

It's not my pic, but the one on reddit is no better, you're right.

[quote]I won't be shocked if they dig up a childhood history of doing weird shit to animals or something, way before the bullying happened.

The suspect is a vegan. He won’t even eat food out of cookware that’s been “tainted” by meat. Murphy the dog was oddly left alive and place in a separate room. Even though the killer has prowess with a hunting knife, I wonder if, while he hates people, he has a soft spot for animals.

And thus, r1, to the suspect murder was a piece of cake!

Maybe he's a vegan. Don't we just have one account by an aunt who said he even wanted any pan that had had meat in it to be discarded? That may have been a passing adolescent phase, with hormonal fury and a fleeting idea that veganism would make him slim and happy - quickly to be abandoned because it's fucking hard to be a vegan.

But maybe he kept it up - who knows. Not really relevant to the crime. Although... may explain not killing Murphy? Actually, I think he wanted to kill that girl -- and taking time to mess with the dog might trip him up and get him caught, when that wasn't his goal.

Serious question: would a hard core vegan swallow the cum from a meat eater?

Also, have we asked if Bryan is cut or uncut yet?

Did we figure out if he's Jewish?

What happened to the dog?

I think... the red headed skinny boyfriend of Kaylee with whom she broke up 3 weeks ago - Jack DeCoeur or something like that - anyway Murphy was co-owned by Kaylee and Jack D and so, he has Murphy.

I meant 3 weeks before her murder. Poor Jack D, he was a major target for us online crime warriors.

#Justice4JackD

Here's another bodycam video of one of the murder house girls (Xana) dealing with the police, the second time in one night, because of complaints about the noise.

It was Labor Day weekend of this year and she's wearing very short shorts. First time I'd heard her speak. I guess she's more polite to the cop than Kaylee was, but not overly so.

JFC, how many body cam videos are there of noise complaints? Anyhow, even though the case is tragic, the aggrieved neighbors probably see a silver lining.

R447, that’s been posted a million times.

[quote]she’s wearing very short shorts.

WTF is your point R447?

The problem with committing quadruple homicide to show how smart you are is that you are an idiot and you can’t tell anyone what you did.

Easier knife access, R450.

I think that is him at the vigil.

R208?

Fuck off.

I don’t believe I have a “special” take on anything.

I was just spit-balling ideas around, like all of have done so on here for weeks.

[quote]The problem with committing quadruple homicide to show how smart you are is that you are an idiot and you can’t tell anyone what you did.

R451 Dr. Todd has a theory about this in the video linked at R335

I can hardly wait for the body cam video of Murphy the dog being confronted by the cops at a house party and dismissing them with his stuck-up attitude.

People from both Idaho and Pennsylvania take themselves too seriously.

R451 Someone called in saying that had inside information from someone and couldn't say who - but they (maybe it's Bryan?) describe the crime. Quickly say the perp finished off the guy and girl and then goes upstairs and he talks about victim 1 and victim 2 (Kaylee and Maddie) as if the other two don't even count. He said 'they' killed the first one, and te second one awoke and tried to get away - they had to grab her and she screamed very loudly. So they had to stab her more viciously to get her to shut up, being afraid he'd be caught...

He actually says that's why he didn't kill the other two girls -- because that second victim (who was really the fourth victim) screamed.

Whether or not it's him, it's eerie. Shaky voice but kind of excited to tell about the details. Anyway, it's pretty short and here's the link

R450 she did kind of bring this on herself, by being loud and not dressing right.

He obviously killed then because they were so loud he could hear them from his apartment miles away.

They took him off suicide watch. Um.

Is it true hi stabbed Kayleigh in the cunt

I'm 447 and sorry if it sounded like I was disapproving of her very short shorts. I was just describing the video and that jumped out at me - the way people said Kaylee had a tight polyester dress when she talked to the cop in that other video. It's perfectly fine and expected in early September - it gets very hot there. So anyway, carry on... But I'm sorry if I upset anyone.

The way girls dress has nothing to do with crime. If perps get off on boobs, legs, men's abs and butt -- they can watch them all day long on porn videos or go to the beach or watch beach volleyball with bikinis - and all this was possible long before Instagram and girls wore even shorter skirts in the 60s and 70s yada yada.

Well this is bizarre.

We were warned about gifts from total strangers but they hadn't yet come up with the rhyming slogan.

He posted this on Reddit.

Someone that supposedly knows him says that the voice on that podcast is him.

Okay, TMZ.

Did everyone in his class have a speech impediment?! Jesus.

They’re saying that he might have gotten in touch with BTK through his professor.

This was obviously a crime of passion. Nothing about it is rational. It seems that he wanted to do it badly enough that he was sloppy. The car, the phone, the DNA, if it's true he was stalking her.. All of those things can be tied to him. If he were a more rational killer he'd have gone for a random prostitute or gay man on the downlow.

Have they released their road trip playlist?

Creep — Radiohead

Every Breath You Take — Sting

Psycho Killer — Talking Heads

That road-trip is a movie in itself

If he plays both, it’s his Oscar to lose

That video definitely seems like him speaking. He sounds excited describing the attacks. How would an investigator on the case know that a particular victim screamed?

Maggie as the mother AND the sister??

[quote]Does anyone here think he might have been posting here, in the prior threads?

No. He hated gays, Datalounge is a shitty little forum no one cares about anymore, and to post he would have had to pay and I'd think even this guy, the genius who drove his Elantra right up to the front door of the house on King Road, would know not to link himself to online posts if he could help it.

[quote]was blaming the Sig Chi brothers, or trying to deflect interest towards them. We had posters doing that here.

Only because of the 4chan posts. He may have posted on 4chan but doubtful he posted on here.

Jack D. has the dog, some tabloid followed him and got pics of him getting out of a truck with Murphy.

Speaking of Jack D., who on earth leaked that still screen shot of the security footage from the Corner Club, and why? In retrospect that was really weird, especially since the police at that point obviously knew it was BK, they were following him across country by that point.

I was thinking about this last night and scaring myself. I live in a gated community but have a stupiddog door that prohibits me from locking my slider. I really hope one of them didn't wake up and try to run. That right there is the biggest nightmare we all have, someone fucking killing you in your bed. I really hope one of those girls kicked him in the nuts at the very least and gouged at his eyes. I think the cops have known it was him for some time but kept a lid on it, which is a good thing. The one chick's dad is like Fred Goldman 2.0 and talks way too much.

I hope the two Jacks lawyer up, there are about a thousand true crime YouTubers who still have video after video with their faces and names plastered all over it. They don’t even bother taking it down.

R482 there’s probably some aftermarket lock you could stick to the frame, that would be too high up to access by reaching through a dog flap

Maggie’s brave comeback Oscar:

Scene 🎬: She’s watching television and the Idaho Murders come on and a look of exquisite revulsion overcomes her face as she’s slowly putting 2 & 2 together 😱

R484 Thanks! This is really making me want to do it. How long do you guys think this whole massare took? Ten minutes? Less? and did he wear some outer jumpsuit or something? I bet his car has lots of blood in it that dipshit didn't even realize was there.

[quote]How would an investigator on the case know that a particular victim screamed?

A lot of people were making bold pronouncements about what happened and who the murderer was when they had no real information whatsoever. It's highly likely that some people made those kinds of pronouncements in the hope that people would think they had committed the crime.

From what we know, it sounds like Kaylee was in bed, so the detail about having to chase her around doesn't seem likely to be true. We'll eventually find out one way or another, but based on what this guy said, I'm not convinced it was really the killer.

I'm not convinced he's the killer. I want to know more about the DNA evidence. So far the information about him describes a socially awkward asshole. Not necessarily someone who rage killed 4 people. He doesn't have a history of violence. Being creepy and staring don't add up to mass knife killer.

[quote] No. He hated gays

Proof with a link?

This „hated gay“ was mentioned once in the NYT, which suppressed the vegan angle, of course. Because all is politics now.

R488 is NOT CONVINCED! Maybe this guy stalked the girls for perfectly innocent reasons. Perhaps he wanted to find out their favorite colors to buy them presents. Perhaps the real killer “borrowed” his car to drive to the scene in order to frame him. Perhaps his blood at the scene of the crime was left when he suffered a bloody nose at one of their parties.

A friend of BK's said a few days ago that she was upset by the comments he made about LGBT people.

[quote] But if he's claiming he's innocent why then did the cops put him in a suicide vest right off? I don't know if it's standard procedure to do that all the time in a case of this nature. Is it?

Who are these weirdos who question every little detail in a criminal Justice investigation?

[quote] 'We interacted in class, but personally I was not a fan of Bryan because of comments he had made about LGBTQ+ individuals,' they said in an email to The Associated Press.

What did he say SPECIFICALLY? Was it criticism of the T?

Perhaps he just expressed skepticism at the “trans women ARE women” doctrine.

Good luck to the doggy door poster.

[quote]What did he say SPECIFICALLY?

He said, “DataLounge is a vile pit of trollery”

Maybe he said something nice about LGBTQ+ and the girl is a homophobe?

R488 Do you seriously think the FBI would track him from Idaho to PA if they didn’t have fairly extensive evidence?

[quote] Do you seriously think the FBI would track him from Idaho to PA if they didn’t have fairly extensive evidence?

I wouldn't put anything past those bozos

He slaughtered the victims in a frenzy, accidentally cutting himself in the process. Consequently, he left his DNA at the scene. He's guilty!

If he is innocent, surely he would fight extradition. You would have to want to die to go back to Idaho where Prosecutor Claus is waiting.

Fighting extradition without some extraordinary reason or a bought off court is a waste of time. State to state rendition is always granted and just makes the defendant look that much more guilty.

Lookit. Them kids is still dead. Ded. An' if they got this guy by mistake, then the killer is gonna have ta kill agin to show them police is fools. Now, my theery is jus' wait. If the killer does it agin, then this guy is innocent. If them killings stop, then he's guilty, and fuck it.

R493 It's not weird to wonder why he had a suicide vest on. If he were innocent and made statements about wanting to kill himself might be an expression coming from someone who was guilty. An innocent person would get a lawyer. In fact the weird thing would be not to question why someone has a suicide vest on. Why would you consider anyone who is asking a question weird, anyway. Questions are what get answers.

Was a great job by the FBI surveillance teams. They had to go from state to state as he crossed the country changing teams.

[quote] If he is innocent, surely he would fight extradition

Some LE expert said you can only fight extradition if you’re claiming that you’re not the person named that authorities are looking for, not that you didn’t do the crime - that you have to prove in court.

[quote] We interacted in class, but personally I was not a fan of Bryan because of comments he had made about LGBTQ+ individuals,' they said in an email to The Associated Press.

He made an off-handed comment about non-binaries on Reddit. The “queer community” is so ridiculously blurred and crazy nowadays, that I would need to hear specifically what he said to actually believe it was something bad.

I think the murders are what makes me hate him. I don't care as much about what he said in class.

R505 it's standard, he's being charged with a notorious quadruple homicide. it doesn't matter if he says he is suicidal or not.

Fighting extradition (US, state-to-state) is futile.

I guess I'm too cold-hearted or something but the suicide vest seems like an overabundance of caution. Who cares if he offs himself? It would save a whole lot of money for the judicial system in Idaho - and then years of appeals, if he's convicted, which again, will cost the state a fortune.

We want ANSWERS, R511.

I think I read that having someone on deathrow and all the automatic and desired appeals that follow is actually more expensive than just slapping him in jail for life. But I guess you can keep appealing, even if you don't get the death penalty.

R511 if he kills himself and he is actually innocent, then the murderer is still on the loose.

Jails and prisons get sued for suicides and deaths within the facilities. While an inmate is in custody, the jails & prisons are responsible for that person's basic needs.

That's why there are these procedures to try to prevent suicides.

[quote] LaBar did state the father and son duo were pulled over twice in Indiana during the trip to Pennsylvania. He also said he was not sure who had been driving.

[quote] "I don't know whether they were speeding or not or if they were even issued a ticket," LaBar said. "I just know that they were pulled over in Indiana almost back to back. I believe once for speeding and once for falling too closely to a car in front of them."

Why is he off suicide watch?

I don't want him to commit suicide. I want him to sit in a courtroom and see all the evidence collected, to realize how sloppy he was and how incredibly stupid this makes him given his educational background, and I'd also like for the families to be able to confront him and share what this has done to their lives....even if he lacks the capacity to care or understand.

One of the most frustrating things about the Brian Launderie/Gabby Petito case was that he offed himself before police located him and held him accountable. Suicide is way easier than facing the music so I have no doubt this guy would love to slip through that trap door. Personally, I think he deserves to live with this.

He’s showing his dick in prison.

[quote]'I couldn't see his genitals because the glass wall only went down so far,' she said.

Damn.

I'm not sure I believe the woman in R519's article.

R519 I was initially surprised to hear this because I had an idea in my mind of him being calm, quiet and calculating. But now it makes sense. He has a profoundly disturbing anger problem and it’s coming out, loud and proud.

How does that Siouxsie and the Banshees lyric go, “Down deep within your violent side, the sun begins to rise…”

I believe her. I also believe he’s setting up an insanity defense.

Assuming this testimony from a fellow inmate is all true, I doubt his lawyer is thrilled. Threatening to cut up into pieces anyone who dares to come into his cell isn’t exactly winning the case. Although maybe his lawyer is thrilled because they can argue insanity.

Funny. A guard says he's been facing the wall and not talking.

Yeah, so… did the reporters wait outside the jail asking anyone who came out if they saw or heard from this inmate? She could just say anything. It’s probably somewhat true, but who knows.

We were so close to size verification!

If it turns out he didn’t work alone, which is still a real possibility, arguing insanity will be much more difficult.

You guys believe that some woman in jail for domestic violence remembered the specific lyrics he rapped? Come on. She's a junkie looking for some $$ from the Fail.

The guard says he's been withdrawn and quiet, I'll believe him over some random woman who looks like a junkie.

"Curled up in a ball, facing the wall, not talking."

Methinks he has a big cock. You know those tall, lanky psychotic types.

I thought part of the suicide suit thing was to be naked underneath. After all, the legs of trousers would make a great noose.

Could you stick you head in the leg opening of briefs or boxer shorts and hang yourself?

How was he lifting his shirt and trying to expose himself if he was wearing a jumpsuit.

Also, Idaho doesn't allow an insanity plea.

The dad’s still at it…

Imagine if poor Jeffrey lived across from the students?

I cannot hate on dad. Those kids did not deserve this.

[quote]You guys believe that some woman in jail for domestic violence remembered the specific lyrics he rapped? Come on. She's a junkie looking for some $$ from the Fail.

The Fail also did a story about the psycho nurse who crashed into a family while speeding in her car. They quoted a random crack whore (interviewed by the local news in L.A.) who gave them an elaborate story about the nurse being drunk and fighting with her boyfriend right before the crash. None of it was true.

[quote]r519 'You come in here and I'll cut you,' Kohberger allegedly yelled at one guard. 'I'm going to pee on your face. Do what you want me with I don't give a s**t'

The young man is displaying a VERY poor attitude.

👿 Evil Big Dick Energy

"I don't want him to commit suicide. I want him to sit in a courtroom and see all the evidence collected, to realize how sloppy he was and how incredibly stupid this makes him"

I doubt he's capable of remorse, but he's undoubtedly capable of humiliation, and if the local cops and FBI outfox Mr. Criminology Genius and get a conviction, then he's going to feel incredibly humiliated.

I hope it completely destroys his self-esteem and his psyche will be shattered if he's convicted, but he's far more likely to take up prison famewhoring than to implode. He seems capable of deciding that the world needs to benefit from his unique perspective as a criminologist criminal, and he'll try to become a real-life Hannibal Lechter, being studied by criminologists and having FBI agents ask him about other killers, but trying to be interviewed by the mainstream press. It'll be the only way he'll be able to salvage his self-image.

R541- Agreed. He's much more useful to society humiliated and psychologically broken. As many armchair alpha incels as possible should see him get cocky, and then disintegrate in court while being grilled by men and women with actual strategic intelligence. It's a light form of deradicalization.

He's never going to have feelings of remorse or humiliation. Any remorse would come from how the crimes affected *his* life, not the 4 Idahoans.

I already decided that if I had to show up to court for someone's sentencing, I'd address the judge, only, and ask for the harshest sentence possible. No sense to try to look a killer in the eye and hope to see remorse.

"NewsNation confirmed that this was false. It was apparently another inmate who was screaming these things and not Kohberger." said someone on reddit re:Bryan acting up

He sounds like such a charming fellow at r519

R543 Agree. I cringe when I see the victim's families yelling at some dude and he just stares into space. I feel like they LIKE to know what chaos they've wrought and I wouldn't give them the satisfaction.

I understand Kaylee’s dad is probably insane with grief but his behaviour is very tacky

It would be nice if we kept certain terrible criminals alive just to be tortured and experimented on. No need for animal testing if you have some psychopath you can test on.

What I wish families would stop doing (I know, they are grieving) is listing the life events the victim will now miss. The killer doesn’t give a shit that his victim won’t get married and have a baby.

If this happened to me, I would just say, “How COULD you?!” That sentence is more painful to me than any other. But then again, I’m capable of shame, guilt, and remorse…

R549 Sometimes I think old barbaric ways make sense. If someone is going to get the death penalty, let the family of the victim stone them to death. I know we can't really be that way but it plays well to my imagination.

R544

Thank you. I thought as much but it's good to find out it was confirmed as false.

R548 So we should model our behaviour on that of the killer, who also experimented on and tortured his victims? I see.

r458 Thanks for posting that audio. It rings true to me that the person is what/who he claims to be on that recording; i.e., someone (a relative of an investigator) who was told these things by someone in the investigation.

He does have specific details about the time that a scream was recorded at exactly 3:38am on a Ring camera (I guess), which correlated with their theory that one victim woke up, screamed and unsuccessfully tried to get away. That's why investigators place the time of the attack so specifically. There's more about the placement of the bodies, too.

Also, he says the white car was seen speeding by a gas station at 3:45am.

It's well a worth a listen for the details, which sound very spot on.

So he was pulled over at least twice while with his dad and maybe once alone? It's fascinating to me watching cop videos and the person with a pound of weed is speeding and has no license plate, etc. If I had used my own car in a mass murder, I would drive so carefully.

What matters most on the issue of incarceration is justice. We can’t talk about justice for the offender without also discussing justice for these families.

I am anti-death penalty because it seems barbaric. Life without parole is better, but even that I not 100% kosher with. We need to get serious about rehabilitation/recovery, many many many people would rightly be at free (non-violent offenders, first timers, blahblahblah. We could invest in more mental health and REAL vocational opportunities for the men and women, driving costs down to house them. Just look at Europe. Or Canada. Or California.

Sorry on typos

Ten hours!

I’m still waiting on confirmation that this guy did or didn’t act alone.

[quote] Imagine if poor Jeffrey lived across from the students?

Who?

[quote] Sometimes I think old barbaric ways make sense. If someone is going to get the death penalty, let the family of the victim stone them to death. I know we can't really be that way but it plays well to my imagination.

Hi, Bryan!

[quote] [R493] It's not weird to wonder why he had a suicide vest on.

Yes it certainly is.

He’s probably having withdrawal from drugs.

I would have suspected one of the neighbors. It seems like the police came to the house regularly due to noise complaints. It's not like they lived in an apartment or townhouse; it was a single family home, so the music must have been obnoxiously loud. That will drive you crazy after a while. There was probably a flow of cars to and from the house too. (And lately, it's popular for young people to modify their cars to make them as loud as possible.)

The neighbors are probably enjoying the peace.

[quote] Yes it certainly is.

He would most likely commit suicide to get out of facing consequences for his actions, idiot.

Jeffrey, R559. You know.

I'm guessing that poster is talking about Jeffrey Dahmer.

I don't think Dahmer would have been interested in a bunch of girls.

No, R566, not Dahmer.

Well, R567, since no one seems to know who the fuck you're talking about, why not enlighten us?

Those who know, know, R568.

I assuming he's afraid to Jeffrey you should have kept your f****** mouth shut Spaide.

You fucker you, R570.

So the latest thread has come to this, some asshole whining about "Jeffrey".

4chan…

"Jeffrey Spaide" is not a household name, especially on a first-name basis. Why not just refer him to "the guy who killed his asshole neighbors who bullied him and dumped snow in his parking space". Then everyone will know exactly who you're talking about.

You just derailed this thread by playing coy with your retarded little guessing game.

Here he is today.

Will his trial be televised today?

He look evil in that still if looks could kill.

Why can’t these reporters pronounce Hyundai correctly?

They gave him vegan food in prison.

This thread must be a shit show of trolls because it doesn't scroll and is very glitchy.

Brian Entin’s camera froze on his derp face @ 4:40

Jeffrey is a little too esoteric, R565, why not say Jimmay?

Here's Part 10 to this thread (this thread's title says it's Part 9).

Could that massive schnoz be the murder weapon?

Head public defender from Pennsylvania blabbed about his discussion with BK. I realize this is a heinous crime, but defense attorneys should STFU.

(PD said that he talked with BK for an hour, talked about some GPS evidence that BK was in Idaho at X time.)

Jodi Arias' attorney blabbed and wrote a book, but she had made allegations against him, first.

What the fuck is PD? Stop with the acronyms.

[quote] Jodi Arias' attorney blabbed and wrote a book, but she had made allegations against him, first.

Huh?

They're always derailing these threads, r574. They imagine everyone on here is beside themselves in anger because they brought up the PA murders.

As to the topic at hand, I'm not sure that the Pennsylvania DA's comments about BK were all that out of line. I would be shocked if anything comes of it. BK probably has a decent tort case against him for violating attorney-client privilege but I doubt it's going to be a real issue when it comes to the criminal case.

Sorry, I meant the Pennsylvania defender's comments, not DA's comments.

As a poster mentioned before (not sure if in this long thread), the BTK serial killer's daughter (whose DNA from a hospital was used to match BTK to the crime scenes) said in an interview that he (BK) might have contacted BTK. She said a lot of criminology students and true crime aficionados contact him, and he often writes back to them or talks on the phone to them.

One reason BTK's daughter thinks BK might have contacted her father (she doesn't know if he did), was that Kohberger took criminology classes with Dr. Katherine Ramsland, who wrote a book about BTK after corresponding with him for a decade.

I wonder if BK might have corresponded with other serial killers in prison, like the Green River Killer, who killed dozens of women in Washington and Oregon, and is now imprisoned in Washington State.

Total speculation, but BK might have been trying to do what they did; i.e., commit unsolved serial murders over many years, and maybe even teach classes or write books about whatever name he would have as a serial killer. He bizarrely might have wanted to be a famous but uncaught serial killer that would terrorize and mesmerize the public. He might have wanted to go down in history as an infamous killer like 'Jack The Ripper.'

[quote]R585 Head public defender from Pennsylvania blabbed about his discussion with BK. I realize this is a heinous crime, but defense attorneys should STFU.

Word downtown is he’s now going to WALK because the lawyer blabbed. Like, TOMORROW.

Gdamn millennials.

R591- He's not going to walk. This is for the extradition hearing. He still has to face murder charges.

And the public defender is 45. Please leave millennials out of this mess.

I take back what I said about him looking weirdly hot. He actually looks weirdly bad. Strange body, weird head, screwed up face and yuck eyes.

Flawless skin.

I don't believe I've seen it addressed thus far, but does Kohberger have an alibi for the earlier, similar murders committed before the frat house slash fest?

WSU is only an hour’s drive from Salem, Oregon, where the sleeping couple were stabbed in their home last year on August the 13th.

^^ I meant, last last year, in 2021.

R594 …wrapped around a misshapen gourd head.

There would have been some girl or woman who was nice and would have dated this loser. Problem was that he only wanted to date popular girls, who would never want someone like him.

He's MRA.