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David Geffen has gone black!

Well, mocha.

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by Anonymousreply 303May 15, 2023 6:27 AM

I would too with that!

by Anonymousreply 1December 25, 2022 7:05 PM

Well, we can all see the package he got for Chanukah, what did he get for the other seven nights?

by Anonymousreply 2December 25, 2022 7:07 PM

That man is gorgeous. I honestly don't know how he could stand to be touched by Geffen.

by Anonymousreply 3December 25, 2022 7:09 PM

Oh Darling R3 ,how naive you must be. He just lays back and thinks about all that lovely money.Pots and pots of it. That is one damn good looking stud,I aint hatin Miss Geffen,I envy her !

by Anonymousreply 4December 25, 2022 7:12 PM

Whats his deal? He seems to like 20 year old looking twunks from his history, but top/bottom? Is he an oral bottom like Bryan singer and obsessed with young dick?

by Anonymousreply 5December 25, 2022 7:24 PM

I never understood how men can do that. I get it for women - just lay there and pretend. But a guy has to get hard - which would seem impossible if you have to look at creepy, sagging, pervy guy. How do they do it? I give them props - they’re getting that money. I just couldn’t ever manage it.

by Anonymousreply 6December 25, 2022 7:29 PM

In reality, these billionaires are cheap with most of their tricks.

by Anonymousreply 7December 25, 2022 7:32 PM

It’s a financial situation only.

by Anonymousreply 8December 25, 2022 7:41 PM

R3, that is.

by Anonymousreply 9December 25, 2022 7:41 PM

Good for him. His “ex” Cher has got a young boy toy so why not David too?

by Anonymousreply 10December 25, 2022 7:42 PM

[quote] But a guy has to get hard - which would seem impossible if you have to look at creepy, sagging, pervy guy. How do they do it?

If you like, I’ll send you the number of the Widow Sondheim. He can give you the details.

by Anonymousreply 11December 25, 2022 7:43 PM

Is Cher paying hers?

by Anonymousreply 12December 25, 2022 7:44 PM

I'm sure that guy is just his business associate.

by Anonymousreply 13December 25, 2022 7:48 PM

He must have an Epstein-like backstory.

by Anonymousreply 14December 25, 2022 7:53 PM

That stud is gorgeous. He must take a lot of Viagra to keep Geffen happy.

by Anonymousreply 15December 25, 2022 7:56 PM

Geffen turns 80 next year...... could it be his Bayada nurse?

by Anonymousreply 16December 25, 2022 8:05 PM

Will he ever go back?

by Anonymousreply 17December 25, 2022 8:06 PM

[quote]But a guy has to get hard - which would seem impossible if you have to look at creepy, sagging, pervy guy. How do they do it?

Money make$ me hard!

by Anonymousreply 18December 25, 2022 8:08 PM

Geffen needs a bra.

by Anonymousreply 19December 25, 2022 8:16 PM

The Ho definitely puts his best feature front and center

by Anonymousreply 20December 25, 2022 8:23 PM

Yet, eh....

by Anonymousreply 21December 25, 2022 8:29 PM

r6...most guys can get hard regardless of what the person looks like...thats why their whores. Why not get payed, as repulsive as it may be. Close your eyes and think of England.

by Anonymousreply 22December 25, 2022 8:34 PM

"He just lays back"

Oh, dear!

by Anonymousreply 23December 25, 2022 8:35 PM

His boytoy looks so much like Dominic from BlackBoyAddictionz.com

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by Anonymousreply 24December 25, 2022 8:40 PM

What are the companion's rates?

by Anonymousreply 25December 25, 2022 8:47 PM

R24, that’s not him. I know who the dude is. He’s smokin hot. I’m surprised someone hasnt outed his identity here

by Anonymousreply 26December 25, 2022 8:49 PM

I’m assuming he’s “straight”?

by Anonymousreply 27December 25, 2022 8:54 PM

It's VERY expensive, R25.

by Anonymousreply 28December 25, 2022 8:55 PM

[quote]But a guy has to get hard

There was a time, in college, when I was pretending to be straight and liked girls. I had sex with them. All you have to do is think of some hot guy and your dick gets hard. Staying hard is just a matter of your mind working with biology. When you're young and there's something rubbing against your cock, you'll be hard and stay that way.

by Anonymousreply 29December 25, 2022 8:55 PM

David Geffen doesn’t seem like a very decent guy.

by Anonymousreply 30December 25, 2022 8:56 PM

[quote]I’m surprised someone hasnt outed his identity here

Well, we're waiting.

by Anonymousreply 31December 25, 2022 8:56 PM

David Geffen actually treats his boytoys extremely well, at least as far as the public sees.

Jeremy Lingvall went to the first State Dinner at the Obama White House. And sat at the President’s table.

by Anonymousreply 32December 25, 2022 8:58 PM

I hit that!

by Anonymousreply 33December 25, 2022 9:00 PM

“I can feel it… in my stomach.”

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by Anonymousreply 34December 25, 2022 9:00 PM

r32 I saw him on grindr a couple of years ago specially saying the wanted FTMs...gross. I thought he might be a catfish but the account linked his real instagram so I dont know. Fucking gross ftm 'chasers'.

by Anonymousreply 35December 25, 2022 9:03 PM

I've heard that he finds jobs for them in his businesses and although he can be a jerk on occasion, he's not horrible to his tricks. This guy is very handsome.

by Anonymousreply 36December 25, 2022 9:03 PM

How do we know that's not his adopted son?

by Anonymousreply 37December 25, 2022 9:05 PM

So we see Geffen pictured with a pleasant looking young and some immediately think they are an item or whatever. Why? Do you only have your pic taken with someone your age? And let’s say they are dating… if they are enjoying themselves then that is bad why? Because one is old and one is young? I guess many of you plan to die or hide away after 60, right?

by Anonymousreply 38December 25, 2022 9:05 PM

4 words, r38: Gay gossip message board.

by Anonymousreply 39December 25, 2022 9:10 PM

[quote]So we see Geffen pictured with a pleasant looking young and some immediately think they are an item or whatever. Why? Do you only have your pic taken with someone your age? And let’s say they are dating… if they are enjoying themselves then that is bad why? Because one is old and one is young? I guess many of you plan to die or hide away after 60, right?

Gurl...!?!

by Anonymousreply 40December 25, 2022 9:10 PM

Once money and material things become your gods, you can easily get it up for a 79 y/o billionaire. Easily.

I know plenty who get it up for barely making it millionaires on the UES, Soho/Tribeca, etc.

by Anonymousreply 41December 25, 2022 9:13 PM

Definitely, R41.

by Anonymousreply 42December 25, 2022 9:14 PM

So typical. Rich, old and gets hot BBC

by Anonymousreply 43December 25, 2022 9:16 PM

Kwanzaa, r2.

by Anonymousreply 44December 25, 2022 9:18 PM

I thought he liked beefy white dudes?

by Anonymousreply 45December 25, 2022 9:20 PM

Don't tell anybody R45, but grown adult people can be into multiple types. You don't have to stick with just one.

by Anonymousreply 46December 25, 2022 9:23 PM

Geffen tricked with DL fave Thom Bierdz when he was 'chicken' before he got cast on The Young And The Restless.

by Anonymousreply 47December 25, 2022 9:24 PM

Geffen 101 for those who may need the refersher course

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by Anonymousreply 48December 25, 2022 9:28 PM

R46, do must "grown adult people" wait till they're 79 to do that?

by Anonymousreply 49December 25, 2022 9:30 PM

How much a month? Name a price.

by Anonymousreply 50December 25, 2022 9:33 PM

I've never quite understood the need to have some sort of "relationship" with these younger guys.

It would seem that it would be easy enough to have these encounters be transactional or purely sexual rather than having to pretend there is some sort of emotional connection or even friendship which involved spending time with them fully clothed outside the bedroom.

I guess it's a form of bragging, showing off your latest conquest to your friends.

by Anonymousreply 51December 25, 2022 9:35 PM

[quote]David Geffen: My 20-Year-Old Football Player Ex-BF Is Stalking Me

Let's not forget, the kid's name was Jamie Kuntz.

You can't make this crap up.

by Anonymousreply 52December 25, 2022 9:36 PM

[quote][R46], do must "grown adult people" wait till they're 79 to do that?

He didn't wait until he was 79, you just haven't seen all of Geffen's "friends" over the years.

by Anonymousreply 53December 25, 2022 9:38 PM

R38 Didn’t you read the Gen X thread? A lot these guys will be done by 50 lol.

by Anonymousreply 54December 25, 2022 9:42 PM

This blatant homosexual behaviour disgusts me.

by Anonymousreply 55December 25, 2022 9:46 PM

Glad to see the Darfur Orphan has improved his situation.

by Anonymousreply 56December 25, 2022 9:54 PM

The DM only JUST had an article about Geffen breaking up with his 28ish year old boyfriend of 8 years. So he sure moved on quickly!

by Anonymousreply 57December 25, 2022 9:56 PM

OK, who the hell is this Mocha Guy? Somebody on DL has to have the scoop. He is hot.

by Anonymousreply 58December 25, 2022 9:59 PM

Just 5 handsome young billionaires

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by Anonymousreply 59December 25, 2022 10:00 PM

Got him. "Model", (of course) Donovan Michaels

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by Anonymousreply 60December 25, 2022 10:02 PM

Who are the four guys in R59’s post?

by Anonymousreply 61December 25, 2022 10:08 PM

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

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by Anonymousreply 62December 25, 2022 10:15 PM

Geffen is cozy with the Kushners.

by Anonymousreply 63December 25, 2022 10:16 PM

r61

Stavros Niarchos (Greek shipping heir who dated Paris Hilton)

Mikey Hess (Heir to Hess Oil)

Josh Kushner (Jared Kushner's little brother and married to Karlie Kloss)

Derek Blasberg

by Anonymousreply 64December 25, 2022 10:16 PM

R62, Excessive, good lord. Talk about decadence.

by Anonymousreply 65December 25, 2022 10:17 PM

Thank you R61!

by Anonymousreply 66December 25, 2022 10:22 PM

More wokeness ruining everything!

by Anonymousreply 67December 25, 2022 10:26 PM

[R55] Brilliant! :)

by Anonymousreply 68December 25, 2022 10:46 PM

I’m not really into younger guys, but if I was Geffen-rich…well, I might use it on some prime eye candy like this guy. He is beautiful.

by Anonymousreply 69December 25, 2022 10:51 PM

If I had the money Id put even Calvin Kleins grotesqueness to shame. Id sport the most beautiful arm candy and tell all the bitches to die of envy. Of course its transactional,why pretend otherwise. Its also a tale as old as time. Rich despoiling the young and beautiful.

by Anonymousreply 70December 25, 2022 11:07 PM

“Straight” guys cost more and are more sought after, hence why “straight” charge more.

by Anonymousreply 71December 25, 2022 11:29 PM

[quote]I've never quite understood the need to have some sort of "relationship" with these younger guys.

You have to have someone stick around so you can rub it in your friends' faces.

by Anonymousreply 72December 25, 2022 11:34 PM

I know who this hot bro is. I’m so shocked people here haven’t identified him yet. He’s even hotter in person

by Anonymousreply 73December 25, 2022 11:59 PM

I don’t believe in “buying” any type of affection or intimacy, but if I did do such a thing, my dude would be a total 10, a smokin hot jock bro who looks like Nick Bosa or Jesse Williams.

by Anonymousreply 74December 26, 2022 12:00 AM

Did he really "marry" Keanu? That's what I want to know.

by Anonymousreply 75December 26, 2022 12:01 AM

[quote]I don’t believe in “buying” any type of affection or intimacy, but if I did do such a thing, my dude would be a total 10, a smokin hot jock bro who looks like Nick Bosa or Jesse Williams.

You can absolutely have that, but it will cost you thousands. I’m not talking 5K or even 20K, a night.

by Anonymousreply 76December 26, 2022 12:03 AM

[quote] Did he really "marry" Keanu? That's what I want to know.

Yes.

They allegedly met in the hospital the night Richard Gere was having the gerbil taken out.

And funny enough, the doctor who introduced them was the same one who had helped pump Rod Stewart's stomach

by Anonymousreply 77December 26, 2022 12:06 AM

Keanu laughs at gay rumors and is a good sport about it. He says there's nothing wrong with being gay and to vehemently deny is homophobic. He gets my respect for that.

by Anonymousreply 78December 26, 2022 12:08 AM

[quote]Did he really "marry" Keanu? That's what I want to know.

They used the same pastor who married Rock Hudson and Jim Nabors.

by Anonymousreply 79December 26, 2022 12:08 AM

Hell yeah that fucking bulge.

by Anonymousreply 80December 26, 2022 12:10 AM

Bump

by Anonymousreply 81December 26, 2022 12:20 AM

Looks like he’s packin a big chocolate stick.

by Anonymousreply 82December 26, 2022 12:22 AM

Dang, folks here still DONT know who this dude is. Unreal

by Anonymousreply 83December 26, 2022 12:23 AM

It just proves out out of touch with the current hot dudes DL is. LPSG was all on this months ago. They were talking about this dude by name way Back when

by Anonymousreply 84December 26, 2022 12:25 AM

He’s so my type dude

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by Anonymousreply 85December 26, 2022 12:26 AM

He was ID'd at R60 two hours ago.

by Anonymousreply 86December 26, 2022 12:27 AM

My bad. But the identification is not as complete as I expected. See LPSG

by Anonymousreply 87December 26, 2022 12:35 AM

That is one fine male specimen.

by Anonymousreply 88December 26, 2022 12:44 AM

He is fiiiiiiiiine

by Anonymousreply 89December 26, 2022 12:47 AM

Does Geffen's genitals even work any longer?

by Anonymousreply 90December 26, 2022 12:49 AM

Pool

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by Anonymousreply 91December 26, 2022 12:50 AM

Boxer briefs

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by Anonymousreply 92December 26, 2022 12:51 AM

Are they engaged?

by Anonymousreply 93December 26, 2022 12:59 AM

Awkward photo. David looks ever so prim.

by Anonymousreply 94December 26, 2022 1:17 AM

Too Fat!

He's one of those plumpers that starts eating as soon as a John is hooked.

by Anonymousreply 95December 26, 2022 2:05 AM

Save it for another time R38.

Does the twelfth of Never work for you?

by Anonymousreply 96December 26, 2022 2:26 AM

Nice nipples

by Anonymousreply 97December 26, 2022 2:40 AM

Wow - I still thought he was still with Jason Gould. Shows how much I keep up with Geffen gossip.

by Anonymousreply 98December 26, 2022 3:10 AM

It's always romantic when a man finds his (50 years younger) soulmate.

by Anonymousreply 99December 26, 2022 3:12 AM

Incredible that Derek blasberg found his way onto Geffen’s yacht. That guy can truly slither his way anywhere. Truly remarkable.

by Anonymousreply 100December 26, 2022 3:24 AM

I wonder where he is getting his dick. He is clearly versatile. Is Geffen gulping down viagra/cialis/blue chew?

by Anonymousreply 101December 26, 2022 3:35 AM

Ooh, bulgy. Lol. He is cute.

I mean, if you're essentially paying for it, why the fuck wouldn't you go all in and get hot with a big dick. I don't think the dude is otherwordly, but yeah, I'd love to have sex with him.

by Anonymousreply 102December 26, 2022 3:51 AM

Damn. I would love to hear the tales of guys like this who service the rich. It's stupid, but I wonder what he's like outside of being a fuckboi. Is he part of a community of fuckbois who know each other and they exchange tea on all these rich men?

by Anonymousreply 103December 26, 2022 3:54 AM

There’s a whole thread on him at lpsg.com, including jerk off videos.

by Anonymousreply 104December 26, 2022 4:12 AM

R6 The little blue pill does the trick.

by Anonymousreply 105December 26, 2022 4:16 AM

"Once money and material things become your gods, you can easily get it up for a 79 y/o billionaire. Easily.

I know plenty who get it up for barely making it millionaires on the UES, Soho/Tribeca, etc."

It happens on even a lower level. I know guys who are "companions" to older men in fucking central Illinois - Springfield, Bloomington-Normal, Peoria. They get fed - taken out to dinner and bars, a few domestic US trips, and maybe some clothes. That's it. It's not big money.

by Anonymousreply 106December 26, 2022 4:39 AM

Is he going back?

by Anonymousreply 107December 26, 2022 4:44 AM

Did someone say Peoria?!!!!

by Anonymousreply 108December 26, 2022 4:45 AM

R104, Just watched a couple of his “Brandon Foster” videos.

David Geffen must need a walker after each session with that huge black cock.

by Anonymousreply 109December 26, 2022 5:10 AM

[quote] I don’t believe in “buying” any type of affection or intimacy,

You don't buy affection or intimacy. You buy control over playing out a role-playing fantasy of pretend affection and intimacy based on your terms or script.

by Anonymousreply 110December 26, 2022 7:10 AM

David slurps the sweet black nectar from that dong.

by Anonymousreply 111December 26, 2022 7:37 AM

i hope this guy destroys David's asshole for ruining Donna Summer's career.

by Anonymousreply 112December 26, 2022 7:54 AM

[quote] The little blue pill does the trick.

I've read that Viagra doesn't work for everyone.

by Anonymousreply 113December 26, 2022 11:27 AM

[quote] David slurps the sweet black nectar from that dong.

Yet again, why does a 64 year old man think that's funny or witty?

It's the sort of comment a dumb 11 year old makes

by Anonymousreply 114December 26, 2022 11:31 AM

[quote]Stavros Niarchos (Greek shipping heir who dated Paris Hilton)

[quote]Mikey Hess (Heir to Hess Oil)

[quote]Josh Kushner (Jared Kushner's little brother and married to Karlie Kloss)

[quote]Derek Blasberg

Which one is the guy in the white t-shirt?

He's the weakest link, after David, of course.

by Anonymousreply 115December 26, 2022 11:34 AM

It'll all go fine until the trick wakes up one day and David is lying next to him in full rigor mortis.

by Anonymousreply 116December 26, 2022 11:40 AM

[quote]It'll all go fine until the trick wakes up one day and David is lying next to him in full rigor mortis.

Unless the trick got married to a (drunk) David the night before.

by Anonymousreply 117December 26, 2022 11:43 AM

[quote]Yet again, why does a 64 year old man think that's funny or witty? It's the sort of comment a dumb 11 year old makes

Arrested emotional development is an affliction common to gay men.

by Anonymousreply 118December 26, 2022 11:53 AM

Who said money can’t buy happiness?

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by Anonymousreply 119December 26, 2022 12:06 PM

How old is he now?

I’m surprised he’s still around.

Eventually, we’ll have a “Sad Last Days” thread about him, so let him enjoy himself while he still can.

by Anonymousreply 120December 26, 2022 12:14 PM

No amount of money is worth having to plow that saggy, liver-spotted ass.

How degrading.

by Anonymousreply 121December 26, 2022 12:21 PM

R120, David Geffen turns 80 in February.

by Anonymousreply 122December 26, 2022 12:21 PM

Probably R118

Because "sweet black nectar" has also contributed this witticism to the thread

[quote] Looks like he’s packin a big chocolate stick.

by Anonymousreply 123December 26, 2022 12:23 PM

So Geffen, with his barrel torso, stick-like arms and legs, shiny bald head, varicose veins and all those other aspects of ageing, is OK lying down beside this god.

Yes, I know it's transactional, but still, it would kill many man of a certain age to see the comparison. I'm embarrassed for him.

by Anonymousreply 124December 26, 2022 12:30 PM

[quote] is OK lying down beside this god.

God? OK, let's not exaggerate here.

by Anonymousreply 125December 26, 2022 12:33 PM

By comparison to Geffen, this dude is the whole of Mount Olympus combined.

by Anonymousreply 126December 26, 2022 12:36 PM

[quote]By comparison to Geffen, this dude is the whole of Mount Olympus combined.

Well, compared to David, we're all Gods!

by Anonymousreply 127December 26, 2022 12:37 PM

^^^^^ LOL

by Anonymousreply 128December 26, 2022 12:41 PM

David keeps himself in decent shape. He's not a beast kike Harvey W.

by Anonymousreply 129December 26, 2022 12:41 PM

Dats da suck job!

by Anonymousreply 130December 26, 2022 12:45 PM

You can't but happiness, but you can rent it.

by Anonymousreply 131December 26, 2022 12:52 PM

And then we have Calvin Klein and Kevin Baker.

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by Anonymousreply 132December 26, 2022 12:53 PM

Calvin looks like death at r132.

by Anonymousreply 133December 26, 2022 12:58 PM

Is r119's pic really the guy?

by Anonymousreply 134December 26, 2022 1:06 PM

R134, Yes, but it’s from 2014.

by Anonymousreply 135December 26, 2022 1:10 PM

If this is, in fact, Brandon Foster, he started out as a total "trade top" (wouldn't do anything but top and get sucked) on Randy Blue. Then he did some stuff on Chaturbate -- but with females or just solo. But he disappeared years ago.

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by Anonymousreply 136December 26, 2022 3:17 PM

He’s even hotter now

by Anonymousreply 137December 26, 2022 3:26 PM

Models

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by Anonymousreply 138December 26, 2022 3:29 PM

Geffen sure likes guys who are doing gay porn. Justin Matthews = Jason Griggs.

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by Anonymousreply 139December 26, 2022 3:34 PM

You know this site has gone to the fraus when they laugh at presumably “straight” Keanu for being “such a good sport” about gay rumors

by Anonymousreply 140December 26, 2022 3:35 PM

"Model"

by Anonymousreply 141December 26, 2022 3:36 PM

[quote] thats why their whores.

Oh, dear.

by Anonymousreply 142December 26, 2022 3:44 PM

Pink

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by Anonymousreply 143December 26, 2022 3:45 PM

Ewww! What some people won't knock about with for money.

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by Anonymousreply 144December 26, 2022 4:02 PM

Jeremy Lingvall is well and like most cast off hoes of wealthy men has landed in real estate.

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by Anonymousreply 145December 26, 2022 4:03 PM

Handsome

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by Anonymousreply 146December 26, 2022 4:13 PM

Hunk

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by Anonymousreply 147December 26, 2022 4:14 PM

I know that sex drive and sex doesn't suddenly disappear as we age - at least not for everyone certainly not for some "ooh old people having sex, gross" reason promoted by pop culture and young people. But, I really wonder if I'd want to have my saggy ass plowed by monster dick at age 79. More power to him though. It's a transaction and both sides know what's up.

by Anonymousreply 148December 26, 2022 4:18 PM

R148, At age 79, David Geffen might require a monster dick.

by Anonymousreply 149December 26, 2022 4:32 PM

I think you all are mistaken about who the Viagra is for.

by Anonymousreply 150December 26, 2022 4:36 PM

You know what, good for him. i’d do the same if I have his money. Many many times..

by Anonymousreply 151December 26, 2022 4:47 PM

[quote]Well, mocha.

Looks black to me.

by Anonymousreply 152December 26, 2022 4:57 PM

Desnudo

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by Anonymousreply 153December 26, 2022 5:02 PM

Gym sighting

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by Anonymousreply 154December 26, 2022 5:04 PM

Other than the picture posted by the OP, his face looks odd.

by Anonymousreply 155December 26, 2022 5:04 PM

Backpack

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by Anonymousreply 156December 26, 2022 5:06 PM

In this cold cold cold weather, it's nice to start the day with something warm in your belly. And I'm not talking cocoa.

by Anonymousreply 157December 26, 2022 5:12 PM

Well, different strokes, I guess.

I'm a happily married older gay. Could buy young dick, but for me(& only me) Why? Love my husbear. I got over wham, bang long time ago. When it became about intimacy, I found love & contentment & Ps. the best sex, EVER!

by Anonymousreply 158December 26, 2022 5:33 PM

There is something to be said for being so rich, powerful, and old that you have no Fs left to give, so can take gay pron actors to White House dinners and no one is going to say anything about it to your face or try to stop you.

by Anonymousreply 159December 26, 2022 5:40 PM

What a thing ^to be proud of. What a sterling achievement for your life!

by Anonymousreply 160December 26, 2022 5:42 PM

It’s not a flex bruh

by Anonymousreply 161December 26, 2022 5:46 PM

Hot

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by Anonymousreply 162December 26, 2022 5:47 PM

Gym partner

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by Anonymousreply 163December 26, 2022 5:49 PM

Eh, with all that money he could do better.

by Anonymousreply 164December 26, 2022 5:50 PM

Honestly, I think David can do better.

by Anonymousreply 165December 26, 2022 5:50 PM

😉, r165!

by Anonymousreply 166December 26, 2022 5:52 PM

I'm not bad looking, by any stretch, but I've always wondered what it would be like to be so effortlessly good looking. You just know that guy rolls out of bed looking great without any help.

by Anonymousreply 167December 26, 2022 5:54 PM

Naw, this bro is smokin hot. And truly masculine

by Anonymousreply 168December 26, 2022 5:54 PM

See, were all thinking he could do better.

by Anonymousreply 169December 26, 2022 5:56 PM

More!

by Anonymousreply 170December 26, 2022 6:02 PM

He's a billionaire. Money tops hotness!

by Anonymousreply 171December 26, 2022 6:03 PM

According to Forbes (Yes, I know they're not always accurate), David is worth $7.7 billion.

🤑

by Anonymousreply 172December 26, 2022 6:06 PM

As I mentioned upthread, he never did anything but get sucked and top on video. So I wonder if Geffen's money talks loud enough for him to have expanded his repertoire.

by Anonymousreply 173December 26, 2022 6:11 PM

The Beatles were wrong.

You CAN buy me love!

by Anonymousreply 174December 26, 2022 6:12 PM

This was his job application for Geffen.

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by Anonymousreply 175December 26, 2022 6:13 PM

Bitch, this is how you go black.

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by Anonymousreply 176December 26, 2022 6:23 PM

Poor old Miss Geffen...her mussy must be WRECKED!

by Anonymousreply 177December 26, 2022 6:27 PM

"Once you've had Black, you don't go back."

by Anonymousreply 178December 26, 2022 6:30 PM

I dont think Miss Geffen is going for looks, but for that fat black cock

by Anonymousreply 179December 26, 2022 6:31 PM

I'm not convinced that this guy is even David's type. He might be a trick for one of David's pals and David took a pic with him to show that he has actually socialized with another black person besides Oprah.

by Anonymousreply 180December 26, 2022 6:32 PM

Miss Geffen regrets...

she is unable to leave her boudoir today...

by Anonymousreply 181December 26, 2022 6:38 PM

R151. I've too much pride to do what Geffen is doing. That young bit of trade likely has to suppress retching every time he lobs it into Geffen.

And transactional relationships are beyond humiliating- for all sides.

by Anonymousreply 182December 26, 2022 6:38 PM

Thank you R182

That is my thinking as well - if I am a billionaire and 80 and alone (or even 60 and alone) I'd have no trouble hiring some hot guy for sex and making pleasant chit chat with him before and after.

But the idea of having to pretend to have things in common with him and taking him to dinner one-on-one and having him around my similarly wealthy and ancient friends does not sound like fun at all.

That said, if you are someone whose relationships are all transactional it might not be as painful.

by Anonymousreply 183December 26, 2022 6:53 PM

Everyone keeps mentioning how it’s not that hard to get it up for a saggy old man if you’re living off his millions, and these guys are “set for life,” but most of these guys don’t end up well off.

The breakups seem to happen suddenly. Then later they’re a nurse or real estate agent, or they go crazy or fall into drugs.

by Anonymousreply 184December 26, 2022 6:54 PM

That’s tragic

by Anonymousreply 185December 26, 2022 6:59 PM

Think about it R184

The sort of guy who becomes a gay porn star and then a boy toy for a rich old man would seem to lack a stable personality to begin with.

The lucky ones become real estate agents and play off the connections they'd made.

by Anonymousreply 186December 26, 2022 6:59 PM

I’d imagine that happens because initially these old rich guys are on cloud nine parading these hot young guys around and rolling in the sack with them. But over time when reality sets in it has the opposite effect on their ego, and in order to get their dignity back they cut them off coldly and cruelly. And make sure the same friends and colleagues they bragged to about their “prize” are now publicly aware they were the ones that ended it. They have to appear to be the ones in control.

by Anonymousreply 187December 26, 2022 6:59 PM

R187, I agree. That's why I disagree with posts above that Geffen treats his "bfs" well. No, he treats a very select few well. Those that he felt were worthy of him. Also, this helps him not to look like a complete a-hole.

The rest are just cut off as R187 describes.

by Anonymousreply 188December 26, 2022 7:03 PM

[quote]Everyone keeps mentioning how it’s not that hard to get it up for a saggy old man

A healthy young man should have no trouble getting it up and keeping it up with proper stimulation.

by Anonymousreply 189December 26, 2022 7:04 PM

Naw, I DONT get how any man can have sex with someone they don’t find hot. Sex is gross apart from strong physical attraction.

by Anonymousreply 190December 26, 2022 7:07 PM

WHET the football player from North Dakota with the amusing-for-DL last name? He's still only in his twenties, even though it's already been a decade since he and Geffen were an item....

by Anonymousreply 191December 26, 2022 7:07 PM

Back in the 80’s I had a friend, Eddie, who was Geffen’s boy toy for a while. He got a rolex, I think a car, and he took him to the Barbra Streisand concert at her home in Malibu. In fact, he is next to Geffen on the video of that concert. I don’t think it lasted long but he got some nice treats out of it.

by Anonymousreply 192December 26, 2022 7:11 PM

No one has taken into consideration what this young black man finds sexually attractive ? I've been with many 'much younger guys' who I find attractive and they find 'older men' attractive for whatever reason. Sometimes, it works out very well.

by Anonymousreply 193December 26, 2022 7:11 PM

R6 Oh puh-leeze! A hand and mouth gets busy with a guy's dick, it gets hard.

by Anonymousreply 194December 26, 2022 7:12 PM

David Geffen is so corrupt.

by Anonymousreply 195December 26, 2022 7:12 PM

I knew a really rich guy who'd basically buy all his boyfriends. He'd bribe guys with cars, money, nice apartments, good paying jobs at his company, etc. A lot of guys took the bait (including at least a couple guys who had gfs and identified as straight). These guys weren't even porn stars or instaho types, either. He liked "boy next door" types

by Anonymousreply 196December 26, 2022 7:18 PM

I think we’ve already established multiple times that dicks get hard around flesh and yes men can have sex with people they aren’t attracted to! People can stop repeatedly pointing that out!

The rest of us are talking about whether it’s worth it or not to be a kept boy toy by a rich gay billionaire.

by Anonymousreply 197December 26, 2022 7:22 PM

No. I’m going to KEEP pointing out that men’s dicks can get hard around any flesh and can have sex with basically anything, even a 60-something sea cow DataLounge poster like me who has $37 in the bank.

by Anonymousreply 198December 26, 2022 7:27 PM

If a man Geffen's age (nearly 80) was with some girl who was 50 years younger, no one would bat an eye or ask about their sex life. They would just agree that they must please each other sexually. Why can't the same be said for two men ?

by Anonymousreply 199December 26, 2022 7:40 PM

R199, I don't think people would assume they "please each other sexually" - I think they'd assume the woman was a gold digger

by Anonymousreply 200December 26, 2022 7:58 PM

I would like to make fun of this but I can’t. He’s rich as fuck and gets to suck that guys dick whenever he wants.

Im jealous

by Anonymousreply 201December 26, 2022 8:11 PM

The guy was doing PRON.

Do you think he was weighing a vice chairmanship at Goldman Sachs or being Geffen's plaything for a few months?

He was already having sex for money on film and likely having sex off film with clients, as well. He'll get a few nice gifts and get to live the jetset luxury lifestyle of the rich and famous for a few months - a lifestyle he'd likely NEVER experience otherwise. Even if he doesn't score lifestime support, it's more than he probably had and might introduce him to his next companion who, while less wealthy, may be a longer-term situation.

by Anonymousreply 202December 26, 2022 8:16 PM

"A healthy young man should have no trouble getting it up and keeping it up with proper stimulation."

A handgun aimed at their temple and/or a cheque for 100k.

by Anonymousreply 203December 26, 2022 8:29 PM

"Back in the 80’s I had a friend, Eddie, who was Geffen’s boy toy for a while. He got a rolex, I think a car, and he took him to the Barbra Streisand concert at her home in Malibu."

So you're saying Geffen is like a santa for eldergays? Sparkly things and Streisand, the way to many a heart...and hole.

by Anonymousreply 204December 26, 2022 8:31 PM

What does the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and David Geffen have in common?

Most of rock royalty has been inside it.

by Anonymousreply 205December 26, 2022 8:32 PM

[Quote]But a guy has to get hard - which would seem impossible if you have to look at creepy, sagging, pervy guy. How do they do it?

Young and full of cum hon and dim the lights

by Anonymousreply 206December 26, 2022 8:35 PM

There's no fool like an old fool.

by Anonymousreply 207December 26, 2022 8:35 PM

I can't decide which one of them should be more embarrassed, flaunting this sad, perverted scenario to millions.

by Anonymousreply 208December 26, 2022 8:41 PM

R208 here. I'm not prudish, I'm very jealous and would surround myself with beautiful men as well. But WHY inform the world of it. It's screams insecurity.

by Anonymousreply 209December 26, 2022 8:49 PM

R192 Being taken to a Barbra Streisand concert sounds more like punishment than a treat.

by Anonymousreply 210December 26, 2022 9:01 PM

An attorney told me that cash is never used in these short-term setups. Clearly NDA's are involved which are invalid under illegal circumstances, i.e. anything resembling prostitution.

Thus, the many expensive gifts.

by Anonymousreply 211December 26, 2022 9:21 PM

I used to live across the street from Geffen in Malibu. The entrance to the beach was adjacent to his house. He kept fighting it but the city wouldn't budge. Not too many people knew about it though so it wasn't all that bad. The area there is known as Billionaire Beach. My apartment was very inexpensive despite the fun location. Good times.

by Anonymousreply 212December 26, 2022 9:44 PM

Life is short. If you're 79 and having a 20 year old model on your arm makes you feel good and alive, then you go out and get yourself a 20 year old model, hold your head high, and don't you dare be ashamed. My Dad gave me some wise advice right after I turned 40. He said, if you're over 40, paying your own bills, but still care what others think about you and your life decisions, then put a bullet in your head because you're not really living.

As for the 20 year old model on the arm of the 79 year old man. He needs to hold his head up high as well. He's not doing anything wrong. The people who judge him for his relationship, whatever that relationship is, they are the ones who are wrong.

by Anonymousreply 213December 26, 2022 10:55 PM

R213, Brandon Foster has not been 20 years old for a while.

by Anonymousreply 214December 26, 2022 11:07 PM

I think he deleted the picture. Oops

by Anonymousreply 215December 26, 2022 11:20 PM

"Naw, this bro is smokin hot. And truly masculine."

He does look masculine on paper, like if you just saw him in a hoodie and sneakers out and about. But preening, thirst-trapping, substantively "caring" always degrades masculinity a little bit.

I appreciate that he's an unapologetic whore and wants to squeeze everything he can get out of his youth and looks before they start to go down hill.

by Anonymousreply 216December 26, 2022 11:26 PM

R216 LOL, "whore" seems to carry with it a certain amount of judgment!

by Anonymousreply 217December 26, 2022 11:29 PM

"If a man Geffen's age (nearly 80) was with some girl who was 50 years younger, no one would bat an eye or ask about their sex life. They would just agree that they must please each other sexually. Why can't the same be said for two men?"

It can be the same. But, I don't think in the man-woman situation that "no one would bat an eye or ask about their sex life. They would just agree that they must please each other sexually." "No one?" Are you kidding? Plenty of people would say the woman is motivated by status or money, not by being sexually fulfilled.

by Anonymousreply 218December 26, 2022 11:32 PM

His whore is a whore darlin'

by Anonymousreply 219December 26, 2022 11:32 PM

[quote]The rest of us are talking about whether it’s worth it or not to be a kept boy toy by a rich gay billionaire.

And what exactly is the 'downside' to being the kept boy toy by a rich gay billionaire ? I can't think of one. So long as the two are in a consensual relationship (and that relationship is their own business - no matter what the parameters are for them) - so be it.

There are many couples where there is an older billionaire and a much younger wife - commonly called a 'Trophy wife' . They have their relationship 'understood' and everyone seems to be fine in public. Some of those Trophy Wives even become First Lady.

by Anonymousreply 220December 27, 2022 12:15 AM

R220, I resent that assertion.

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by Anonymousreply 221December 27, 2022 12:20 AM

Keep your eye on the prize.

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by Anonymousreply 222December 27, 2022 12:26 AM

At 80, is the boy toy even pounding him at this point or does Geff more so love watching him with other men?

by Anonymousreply 223December 27, 2022 12:27 AM

At 80, Geffen’s hole must have the consistency of week old pastrami, not to mention a few chronic hemorrhoids after years of bottoming.

by Anonymousreply 224December 27, 2022 12:33 AM

WEHT his football player stalker?

by Anonymousreply 225December 27, 2022 12:36 AM

That guy is not black black. There's definitely a cracker or 2 in his family's woodpile.

But apparently David has found out that black don't crack.

by Anonymousreply 226December 27, 2022 1:00 AM

r220 The difference is that "boy toys" rarely become "trophy husbands."

by Anonymousreply 227December 27, 2022 1:19 AM

R227, Even boy toys have a shelf life.

by Anonymousreply 228December 27, 2022 1:48 AM

[Quote]"If a man Geffen's age (nearly 80) was with some girl who was 50 years younger, no one would bat an eye or ask about their sex life. They would just agree that they must please each other sexually.

How true!

by Anonymousreply 229December 27, 2022 2:18 AM

He'll never be a trophy husband like MOI. Guys don't respect tramps like that!

by Anonymousreply 230December 27, 2022 4:14 AM

Miss Geffen considers her vaginal rejuvenation as an "investment".

by Anonymousreply 231December 27, 2022 7:29 AM

Imagine how long prepping for 'love making' takes.

Geffen painfully douching with all those Farmer Giles' dangling around his sphincter.

Making sure he has the right set of teeth in.

Replacing his ankle support socks with something that will look a little sexier when balanced on Mandingo's shoulders.

Taking an array of meds that deal with blood pressure, joint mobility, motion sickness et al.

Ensuring his hearing aid is tuned in so he can hear all those sweet nothings Mandingo mutters into his ear.

Meanwhile Mandingo is pacing up and down in the bedroom, mumbling prayers and wondering if this fuck session will be the one to finally kill off the old codger.

On the playlist is Cutting Crew's I Just Died in Your Arms Tonight- an OLDIE but a goodie,

by Anonymousreply 232December 27, 2022 8:03 AM

Now, let's a get a proper look at that BBC

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by Anonymousreply 233December 27, 2022 8:54 AM

Geffen; "What's gumjob in your language, boy?"

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by Anonymousreply 234December 27, 2022 8:55 AM

I have a good looking gay friend who says he would fuck an 80 year old woman for a thousand dollars, he needs new tires.

by Anonymousreply 235December 27, 2022 9:09 AM

Can't you give him the money R235 and get your hole serviced?!

by Anonymousreply 236December 27, 2022 9:11 AM

It's taken him until his 80s to go black?! Sweetie, I was getting that dark meat in my teens!

by Anonymousreply 237December 27, 2022 9:23 AM

La Geffen looks increasingly like Golem.

Hawt!

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by Anonymousreply 238December 27, 2022 11:00 AM

Can somebody post a link to one of Mocha's videos?

by Anonymousreply 239December 27, 2022 12:10 PM

Mr Mandingo can quote from Evita when, post-Geffen and a thousand bucks in his back pocket, he returns to whichever banana republic he's from and assumes the role of that country's President.

Mr Mandingo: "Did you hear that? They called me a whore! They actually called me a whore!

Admiral: "But, Señor, it's an easy mistake. I'm still called an admiral, though I gave up the sea long ago"

by Anonymousreply 240December 27, 2022 12:56 PM

Nevermind. I found some--unfortunately. His videos are a perfect example of WHY I hate studio porn. How can a scene with someone THAT hot be the most boring, mechanical, perfunctory porn scene ever made?

Not a second of anything I watched was remotely sexy. I was looking for the gun pointed at him.

by Anonymousreply 241December 27, 2022 1:09 PM

Once you go black you'll never go back.

by Anonymousreply 242December 27, 2022 2:43 PM

Is the Mandingo language really necessary?

by Anonymousreply 243December 27, 2022 2:44 PM

r239 Several have been posted. Try reading the thread.

by Anonymousreply 244December 27, 2022 3:36 PM

"Once you go black you'll never go back."

Geffen probably can't even test that theory. "Not going back" for 2 years doesn't really prove the point. Lol.

by Anonymousreply 245December 27, 2022 3:39 PM

Remember when Cher and David Geffen were together?

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by Anonymousreply 246December 27, 2022 3:49 PM

He seemed like a gay for pay total top in his videos. Why even escort with an old man if you aren’t into it at all? Can’t you escort with an old rich woman?

by Anonymousreply 247December 27, 2022 3:51 PM

[R246] Remember when Cher looked like that - a human being ? Before she turned herself into a Tupperware doll ? Geffen was a cutie back then. He was 31.

by Anonymousreply 248December 27, 2022 3:56 PM

[Quote]"Once you've had Black, you don't go back."

Not true. I like variety.

by Anonymousreply 249December 27, 2022 4:29 PM

Prince Harry ^^^

by Anonymousreply 250December 27, 2022 5:01 PM

[quote]Why even escort with an old man if you aren’t into it at all? Can’t you escort with an old rich woman?

Are we still pretending that women pay for sex?

by Anonymousreply 251December 27, 2022 5:04 PM

Let's be date night at Geffen's house.

I'm the playlist favourite 'Ebony and Ivory'

I'm also the feeling of unending shame experienced by the bit of trade.

by Anonymousreply 252December 27, 2022 5:15 PM

Any black or Latino guy on hookup apps will tell. Old white queens will not leave you alone. They send asshole pics begging for BBC and will drive 20 miles if they can't host.

by Anonymousreply 253December 27, 2022 5:19 PM

"Old white queens.......send asshole pics"

Absolutely chilling. Can you imagine.

by Anonymousreply 254December 27, 2022 5:23 PM

.......................

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by Anonymousreply 255December 27, 2022 8:54 PM

Dear Tanya,

Let me introduce you to my nephew!

by Anonymousreply 256December 27, 2022 9:15 PM

So who did better ?

Alexander Edwards being Cher's boy-toy with a 40 year difference ?

Mandingo being Geffen's boy toy with a 50 year difference ?

I think Mandingo did better - Geffen has more money.

by Anonymousreply 257December 27, 2022 9:46 PM

Oh come off it R38 surely you are being obtuse and trying to gaslight the rest of us? A gay billionaire invites some hot young thing on his expensive yacht in the middle of the ocean out of the kindness of his heart? We all know geffen doesn't even have one and he definitely didn't invite the boy to play monopoly! You can't be that dumb.

by Anonymousreply 258December 28, 2022 12:42 AM

Older white men date out because they are no longer desirable even with wealth. I see many old white men in interracial relationships. A lot of straight old white men with black, Latina and Asian women. Same deal with old gay white men who seek out of younger black, Asian and Latino partners. Young white men are the most eligible and have the most options but after 40, unless they can keep it tight, they are invisible.

by Anonymousreply 259December 28, 2022 12:49 AM

Spot on ^^^^^

by Anonymousreply 260December 28, 2022 4:01 PM

David Geffen's new boytoy Donovan Michaels outed as former gay porn performer Brandon Foster from Randy Blue.

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by Anonymousreply 261January 2, 2023 11:38 PM

Wow, that's shocking. I assumed he was a brain surgeon

by Anonymousreply 262January 2, 2023 11:47 PM

Shvartze!

by Anonymousreply 263January 2, 2023 11:52 PM

Joni went black first.

by Anonymousreply 264January 2, 2023 11:56 PM

It's always so interesting to me that the extremely wealthy gay men (Calvin Klein, Marc Jacobs) have no trouble squiring around former and current porn stars, but the extremely wealthy straight men are squeamish about it.

If I were extremely wealthy I would have the hottest men of Only Fans carrying me around in a litter like Madeline Kahn in "The History of the World, Part I."

by Anonymousreply 265January 2, 2023 11:58 PM

Maybe its because straight men care about their reputation among women. And the biggest haters of golddiggers, escorts and porn stars are other women.

by Anonymousreply 266January 3, 2023 11:35 AM

Is he a bartender? I read in an interview that Gergen is attracted to them.

by Anonymousreply 267January 5, 2023 12:53 AM

Do we think David Geffen is flipping every so often and absolutely annihilating his hot hole for variety?

by Anonymousreply 268January 5, 2023 1:40 AM

[quote]I read in an interview that Gergen is attracted to them.

Don't drag me into this!

by Anonymousreply 269January 5, 2023 1:49 AM

R257, neither. They both will get nothing when they split.

by Anonymousreply 270February 13, 2023 7:25 AM

Leslie Jordan and his business associate Benji

by Anonymousreply 271February 13, 2023 9:08 AM

Are we sure this guy isn’t just his caretaker, watching over early dementia stages David?

by Anonymousreply 272February 13, 2023 10:35 AM

"They both will get nothing when they split." says R270.

The only thing getting split is Geffen....in two.... by that black mamba his escort is packing.

by Anonymousreply 273February 13, 2023 10:55 AM

Hot friend

by Anonymousreply 274February 13, 2023 11:14 AM

[Quote] But a guy has to get hard - which would seem impossible if you have to look at creepy, sagging, pervy guy. How do they do it? I give them props - they’re getting that money. I just couldn’t

weren't you ever young and full of cum R6?

by Anonymousreply 275February 13, 2023 9:25 PM

Gitchie, gitchie, ya-ya, da-da (hey, hey, hey) Gitchie, gitchie, ya-ya, here (here) Mocha Chocolata, ya-ya (ooh, yeah)

by Anonymousreply 276February 13, 2023 9:28 PM

At his age, Geffen not doing a lot of fucking. He probably likes to watch. Plus he likes the arm candy. I can't imagine there's much or any insertion happening. That old queen's ass fell out decades ago.

by Anonymousreply 277February 13, 2023 9:29 PM

R232 Bitch, you be funny!

by Anonymousreply 278February 13, 2023 10:08 PM

R277 he likes to get fucked by a young stud and suck dick.

by Anonymousreply 279February 13, 2023 11:43 PM

“Keep my coco handy!”

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by Anonymousreply 280February 13, 2023 11:46 PM

My type bro

by Anonymousreply 281February 14, 2023 12:48 AM

They're married now.

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by Anonymousreply 282March 15, 2023 1:51 AM

What was the wedding gift haul like?

by Anonymousreply 283March 15, 2023 1:58 AM

R32- not if they are gay. David Geffen got that gay football player's kicked out of the college n completely abandoned him. He ruined his life

by Anonymousreply 284March 15, 2023 4:56 AM

R283- a chair for david to sit while watching the straight guy fuck women

by Anonymousreply 285March 15, 2023 4:59 AM

How straight can he be fucking guys in porn videos? Or getting his dick sucked by a guy and cumming?

by Anonymousreply 286March 16, 2023 10:45 AM

R286- the guy sucks at gay sex as evident from all his porn videos, with zero exception, he is bisexual, only barely enough to fuck guys for the money.

by Anonymousreply 287March 16, 2023 11:58 AM

I love hot bi bros. Especially biracial bisexual bros

by Anonymousreply 288March 16, 2023 12:10 PM

R275 : DL has a lot of eunuch adjacent posters who don't think you can get hard via physical stimulation.

by Anonymousreply 289March 16, 2023 12:27 PM

has it got something to do with his need to tell Mom, Dad and the world

"i'm buying a black whore for a husband!"

what I don't quite get is with David being in the entertainment biz from woodstock on, the most outrageous behavior was always on the menu.

wouldn't purchasing boys have gotten old at some point?

by Anonymousreply 290March 16, 2023 8:18 PM

and still no major news outlet

and still no major news outlet has run this story?

by Anonymousreply 291March 16, 2023 8:33 PM

Shocked he chose black. Especially since he courted the Geick type of crowd.

by Anonymousreply 292March 17, 2023 5:20 AM

R292, As blacks go, his new spouse is a light shade.

by Anonymousreply 293March 17, 2023 8:52 AM

It’s the in color this season for husbands!

by Anonymousreply 294March 17, 2023 9:07 AM

See! He loves him for his mind.

by Anonymousreply 295March 17, 2023 11:02 AM

Hot husband

by Anonymousreply 296March 17, 2023 12:14 PM

In 2015, Justin Griggs, a gay porn star and prostitute who claimed to have engaged in group sex with Geffen for money, said he feared discussing his relationship with the media mogul because he was afraid for his safety.

Griggs, who had been called as a government witness, told the FBI he was apprehensive about discussing Geffen because the billionaire was “very powerful and you feared for the safety if you disclose information.”

“It was really just hanging out, surfing, grilling out, going to dinner, and then we would have sex, group sex,” Griggs testified.

by Anonymousreply 297March 19, 2023 5:48 PM

R297, Justin Griggs . . . Yes, please.

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by Anonymousreply 298March 19, 2023 9:07 PM

^Sorry.

by Anonymousreply 299March 19, 2023 9:12 PM

Griggs is FORBIDDEN!

by Anonymousreply 300March 19, 2023 9:17 PM

Griggs needs to write a book

by Anonymousreply 301March 20, 2023 12:02 AM

Bump

by Anonymousreply 302May 15, 2023 1:44 AM

There was a recent Instagram post with Barry Diller, David, the bfriend and others. Forget now whose post it was.

by Anonymousreply 303May 15, 2023 6:27 AM
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