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Wonder Boys (2000)

Michael Douglas stars as professor Grady Tripp, a novelist who teaches creative writing at a university but has been unable to finish his second novel, he’s having an affair with the Dean played by Frances McDormand. A subplot involves a homosexual affair between his publisher, Robert Downey Jr., and his student, Tobey Maguire.

After the film failed at the box office, there was a second attempt to find an audience with a new marketing campaign and re-release, which was also a financial disappointment.

In a four-star review, Roger Ebert, film critic of the Chicago Sun-Times, praised Wonder Boys as "the most accurate movie about campus life that I can remember. It is accurate, not because it captures intellectual debate or campus politics, but because it knows two things: Students come and go, but the faculty actually lives there, and many faculty members stay stuck in graduate-student mode for decades".

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by Anonymousreply 89December 30, 2022 2:51 AM

Weird, I cannot remember ONE detail of this film, but I remember being very surprised at how good it was. I must have been 21 or so.

I need to see this again this week.

by Anonymousreply 1December 25, 2022 12:45 AM

I remember the red cowboy boots

by Anonymousreply 2December 25, 2022 12:47 AM

The only thing I remember about this film is Toby Maguire at peak twink as a gay college student naked in bed with Robert Downey Jr.

by Anonymousreply 3December 25, 2022 12:47 AM

That poster is a disaster.

by Anonymousreply 4December 25, 2022 12:50 AM

Great book and great movie.

by Anonymousreply 5December 25, 2022 12:51 AM

It took a long time for films to find a way to make Robetr Downey jr.'s constant fuck-up persona lovable (not until Iron Man), and this film just did not do it.

The only thing I remember enjoying about this film is the only part I enjoyed: when the girl in Michael Douglas's creative writing course rips Tobey Maguire's short story to absolute shreds in a workshop, and he has to just sit there and take it.

It was equaled only by a similar scene in the only episode of "Girls" that ever made me laugh out loud when a creative writing class at the Iowa Writer's Workshop discusses Hannah's story about masochistic sex, and the teacher asks "What is this story about?" and another student says in the most bored voice of all time, "It’s about a really privileged girl deciding that she’s just going to let someone abuse her.”

by Anonymousreply 6December 25, 2022 12:52 AM

R5- I suspect you are right. I remember being so surprised at how much I liked it. Wasn't Katie Holmes in it?? I just remembered this!

by Anonymousreply 7December 25, 2022 12:52 AM

The poster was trying to sell the entire film on Michael Douglas's adorableness... a dubious proposition at best.

by Anonymousreply 8December 25, 2022 12:54 AM

Marilyn Monroe's wedding ensemble worn when she married Joe DiMaggio figures into the plot somehow.

by Anonymousreply 9December 25, 2022 12:54 AM

R8, awww, c'mon, he's adorbs there! Doesn't it just make you just wanna tousle his hair and pinch his cutie-patootie cheeks!

by Anonymousreply 10December 25, 2022 12:56 AM

It's a nearly perfect adaptation of the Chabon novel, and it also has one of the best Oscar-winning Original Songs of recent decades, Bob Dylan's "Things Have Changed."

That original promo poster came in for a lot of mockery and blame at the time. Douglas looked like Sally Jessy Raphael.

Yes, Katie Holmes is in it. She (like Tobey) plays one of Douglas's writing students. She rents a room in his house.

by Anonymousreply 11December 25, 2022 12:57 AM

I remember renting it back in 2001, probably one of the last VHS (!) rentals I ever had. I loved the film but it hasn't stayed in the public consciousness so even I have forgotten exactly why I loved it back then. I also need to see it again.

by Anonymousreply 12December 25, 2022 12:59 AM

Adorbs R10?

by Anonymousreply 13December 25, 2022 10:48 AM

r1

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by Anonymousreply 14December 25, 2022 10:49 AM
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by Anonymousreply 15December 25, 2022 10:55 AM
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by Anonymousreply 16December 25, 2022 10:56 AM

Does Douglas have the HPV by this point?

by Anonymousreply 17December 25, 2022 11:02 AM

Downey Jr was the best thing about the movie. Michael Douglas was like a sleeping pill. With some better actor in that leading role, that movie could have been actually good.

by Anonymousreply 18December 25, 2022 11:59 AM

[quote]It took a long time for films to find a way to make Robetr Downey jr.'s constant fuck-up persona lovable (not until Iron Man), and this film just did not do it.

I wonder why they tried for that long?

by Anonymousreply 19December 25, 2022 2:21 PM

One of my favorite movies, I've seen it a dozen times and random lines from it pop into my head all the time. ("I never forget an Oola.") Which is weird because I usually can't stand Douglas or Downey Jr or Tobey Maguire. But I really connected with the world it perfectly encapsulates. It has such a nice literate small-town vibe. I adore it.

by Anonymousreply 20December 25, 2022 2:28 PM

Never got around to seeing this or reading the novel, but I remember that ‘The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier & Clay’ was my favourite mainstream contemporary novel for a year or two in my teens.

Chabon has a very winning and impressive style of writing, and a lovely grasp of a backstory, but I’m not sure how powerful or enduring his work is.

by Anonymousreply 21December 25, 2022 3:22 PM

There's a scene where Downey Jr sees a transvestite (the word they use, I believe). And he shouts out, "It's a transvestite" and someone yells, "You are drunk" and DJr quips "Yes, but she is still a transvestite." It has always cracked me up.

by Anonymousreply 22December 25, 2022 3:39 PM

Now that's a cute pic of Michael Douglas! And with RDJ and Tobey Maguire, I'm sold!

by Anonymousreply 23December 25, 2022 3:48 PM

James (Tobey M.): Now, that is a big trunk! It holds a tuba, a suitcase, a dead dog, and a garment bag almost perfectly.

Grady (Douglas): That's just what they used to say in the ads.

by Anonymousreply 24December 25, 2022 3:51 PM

Why the hell is Michael Douglas posing like Gidget?

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by Anonymousreply 25December 25, 2022 4:40 PM

This is one of my feel-good movies.

by Anonymousreply 26December 25, 2022 4:54 PM

R18 he’s an exhausted burnout, he’s supposed to be boring. Who would you cast Clint Eastwood or Harrison Ford, snarling at the camera?

by Anonymousreply 27December 25, 2022 4:55 PM

r22 No, RJD met the love his life on a plane... Grady is the one that mentioned it was tranvestite, largely because he wore the same perfume as the chancellor

by Anonymousreply 28December 25, 2022 6:55 PM

Great winter vibe movie, you feel chilly just watching it, but some of the interior shots feel warm. Nice cinematography.

by Anonymousreply 29December 25, 2022 6:59 PM

Where’s it streaming?

by Anonymousreply 30December 25, 2022 7:00 PM

R30 only Starz. You’ll have to rent or buy on Prime or Apple TV

by Anonymousreply 31December 25, 2022 7:03 PM

Terrific movie. I've watched it half a dozen times. Robert Downey Jr. is mesmerizing, and it's fascinating, though sad, to see Katie Holmes in the wild before being captured and caged by Tom Cruise.

by Anonymousreply 32December 25, 2022 7:08 PM

[quote][R18] he’s an exhausted burnout, he’s supposed to be boring.

He just gave a boring performance. He's not a skilled character actor, which is what that role required,

by Anonymousreply 33December 25, 2022 7:54 PM

I love all of Chabon’s books but the films of them so far have sucked.

by Anonymousreply 34December 25, 2022 7:59 PM

I’ve given in and I’m watching it now. Here’s the locations for the shoot. It was obvious the greenhouse was constructed for the film. It’s not set correctly in regards to the house, it’s to close and angled awkwardly.

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by Anonymousreply 35December 25, 2022 8:07 PM

R33 cast it then… smarty pants

by Anonymousreply 36December 25, 2022 8:07 PM

I went to see a CMU production of Cunning Little Vixen in that auditorium, it’s stunning.

by Anonymousreply 37December 25, 2022 8:12 PM

It’s also on Vudu.

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by Anonymousreply 38December 25, 2022 8:14 PM

paprika

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by Anonymousreply 39December 25, 2022 8:15 PM

r36 a college professor? Lens, no doubt.

by Anonymousreply 40December 25, 2022 8:17 PM

This was Katie holmes only good performance. She's been weird and off key in everything else but she was perfect for this part.

by Anonymousreply 41December 25, 2022 8:20 PM

My local library has the DVD … check yours

by Anonymousreply 42December 25, 2022 8:21 PM

Does Toby have chicken pox facial scaring? I’ve never noticed that before?

by Anonymousreply 43December 25, 2022 8:24 PM

Well R36, definitely not Clint Eastwood or Harrison Ford, neither are skilled character actors. 🙄

by Anonymousreply 44December 25, 2022 8:25 PM

OMG the guy buffing the floor and giving a ride home to Michael Douglas is very young Alan Tudyk!

by Anonymousreply 45December 25, 2022 8:32 PM

One thing I found absurd was the flying manuscript pages lost in the wind. A writer of any merit would keep a copy, even in analog days. I know it "represents" something, but it's a stupid cliché.

by Anonymousreply 46December 25, 2022 8:34 PM

I thought that was obvious, R45.

by Anonymousreply 47December 25, 2022 8:52 PM

I love the film, and that came as a great surprise.

For me it's the one film where I like Michael Douglas; and the one film where I like Robert Downey Jr. Katie Holmes was rather accidentally in 4 films I like: Wonder Boys, The Ice Storm, Go, and Pieces of April -- I say accidentally because many other actresses could have performed equally or better without exerting the least effort. Tobey McGuire I actually liked in his films from this early period.

It's a great picture of college life, the one that matches rather well with my own to be fair. It captures the mood, the atmosphere, and being thrown in fairly intimate settings with students, professors and deans, and administrators, and a revolving door of new experiences and constant change and quick pace of things.

The film was very well done, faithful in mood I thought to Chabon's book, and created a created a great little world. The music, the locations, the oddball characters, the pace, it's all right with me. The performances are good; Downey was hammy as always, but somehow it fit here.

The scene at the bar is a favorite, and the bit of James recites a long list of unusual deaths of actors by date and in in alphabetical order.

I've watched it many times and still enjoy doing.

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by Anonymousreply 48December 25, 2022 9:07 PM

This thread reminded me of the mini brouhaha that ensued when Jonathan Chabons wife told the world that she loved her husband more than her kids. That was hilarious.

by Anonymousreply 49December 25, 2022 9:15 PM

I liked the dog.

by Anonymousreply 50December 25, 2022 9:16 PM

A wonderful movie--memorably good, and Michael Douglas deserved an Oscar...I don't care what ANYONE says.

by Anonymousreply 51December 25, 2022 9:20 PM

I love this film. Terrific cast (Nice to see Johnboy again.)

Wonderful ending.

by Anonymousreply 52December 25, 2022 9:20 PM
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by Anonymousreply 53December 25, 2022 9:23 PM
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by Anonymousreply 54December 25, 2022 9:24 PM

R1 that's so funny. I was about 20 when it came out and that's exactly how I feel about it!

(I know it did make me read Michael Chabon novels. Most of which I thoroughly enjoyed.)

by Anonymousreply 55December 25, 2022 9:26 PM
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by Anonymousreply 56December 25, 2022 9:27 PM

MD did a full Q&A on the film a few years ago. Not sure why he gets shit on here, he seems cool and he’s a liberal.

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by Anonymousreply 57December 25, 2022 9:27 PM

If Michael Douglas had read the audiobook, I know what I'd be listening to this Christmas Day. With some weed.

by Anonymousreply 58December 25, 2022 9:28 PM

R3, so Iron Man did fuck Spiderman! Naughty boys!

by Anonymousreply 59December 25, 2022 9:36 PM

Did the Ironman go up inside the Spiderman?

by Anonymousreply 60December 25, 2022 9:39 PM

God, OP’s picture.

Hollywood needs to be rangebanned.

by Anonymousreply 61December 25, 2022 9:45 PM

Wait, is the actress playing Tobey’s mother the same one who plays Baby’s mother in Dirty Dancing?

by Anonymousreply 62December 25, 2022 9:53 PM

It really should have been an Eat N Park that they dine at and not Howard Johnson’s.

by Anonymousreply 63December 25, 2022 9:55 PM

Sounds too white for me. Hard pass

by Anonymousreply 64December 25, 2022 9:59 PM

r62

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by Anonymousreply 65December 25, 2022 10:04 PM

R65 I don’t know who that is?

by Anonymousreply 66December 25, 2022 10:07 PM

r66 Kelly Bishop

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by Anonymousreply 67December 25, 2022 10:08 PM
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by Anonymousreply 68December 25, 2022 10:09 PM

"You didn't really make any choices."

The line at R53's link of Katie Holmes (student) directed to Michael Douglas (her professor/friend/landlord) is one that I quote often about writers and artists who went too far, whose work would have been better had they stopped much sooner.

by Anonymousreply 69December 25, 2022 10:15 PM

r69

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by Anonymousreply 70December 25, 2022 10:18 PM

[quote]Michael Douglas deserved an Oscar

He was one of the main reasons the movie didn't work and lost focus every time he was on screen.

by Anonymousreply 71December 25, 2022 10:23 PM

Lol, Rob McElhenney was in it briefly at the end, his other scenes were cut out.

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by Anonymousreply 72December 25, 2022 10:29 PM

r71he was perfect for the role.

I find the critics are upset that it wasn't either more slapstick or more melodramatic. The sort that can't handle a dry - day in the life - film and would be better off with something by a snl castmember or perhaps a lifetime movie.

by Anonymousreply 73December 25, 2022 10:37 PM

R60, numerous times.

by Anonymousreply 74December 25, 2022 10:38 PM

"I'm going to publish this."

RDJ mouths to MD about Tobey's book while lying in bed naked with Tobey the next morning.....

Such a funny moment in a movie full of them.

by Anonymousreply 75December 25, 2022 10:56 PM

Thanks, R70. That's another favorite film, and exactly as you cited, the same concept, the same truth about art put just a bit differently.

by Anonymousreply 76December 25, 2022 11:06 PM

Unlike the tier of actors who are considered “above him,” Douglas continued to do interesting work and challenged himself more as he got older. Solitary Man is another great overlooked performance.

So he gets my respect for that.

by Anonymousreply 77December 25, 2022 11:11 PM

R33 The role required the opposite of a character actor. He's the lead. He's a complex character being pulled in several directions. Where did you come up with the idea that it was a role for a character actor?

by Anonymousreply 78December 25, 2022 11:15 PM

R73 is correct. It’s pretty realistic film, presented with some slight extravagances but nothing off the charts.

R64 is a racist cunt and should go fuck herself with a rusty pipe.

by Anonymousreply 79December 26, 2022 1:59 AM

The marketing and revamped marketing of the film is curious, especially when I looked at the other films also released in 2000. I listed a few below, but it wasn't entirely a year of completely mindless fare.

By the standard of what's on offer today, 2000 looks positively Golden Age, but there are plenty of titles that don lend themselves to soundbyte marketing of 'that rom-com with whats-her-name' or 'that Stallone film' 'that black comedy with that adorable Michael Douglas fattened up for the role by months of eating pizza.' There were plenty of other films that had some marketing challenges in how summarize and attract attention in a still poster or a short trailer, why did this campaign fare so poorly?

The Wiki entry for the film is interesting

Almost Famous

American Psycho

Amores Perros

The Beach

Billy Elliot

O Brother, Where Art Thou?

Requiem for a Dream

Snatch

Traffic

by Anonymousreply 80December 26, 2022 10:09 AM

r80 quite frankly, much of what's spoken of now... is likely an exaggeration by someone that was barely knee high, if born at all, around the time it came out. (or yes, even someone older). We've all seen this revisement of history taken to extremes in recent years.

It was always going to be a sleeper film. Frankly, the same could be said about many of RDJs projects up to this point and playing much of the same character.

Douglas was the protagonist but Tobey was the central character.. a gay kid that doesn't commit suicide and isn't a camp gay. Frankly, neither was rdj's some of the time gay character (look at how mainstream major films treated lgbt subjects at the time. . . which were bloody awful.) . . . plus that 'relationship' wouldn't fly for advertising, even less now. Also, put in perspective that it came out as American society was transitioning from the sex positive/safer sex 90s to the participation trophy and purity contract/rings 2000s. It would be akin to the problems Saved! (2004)just a few years later would have - Albeit, many, many more reasons as to why and even if it was a far more limited released, ,it was mostly advertised as a Michael Stipe film with Mandy Moore, appearing in that film did more damage to her career, largely christian audience, than if she had become tabloid fodder as many of her contemporaries at the time. . . albeit, differnt issues, especially being in your face about christian hypocrisy and the humanity in flawed people, all the characters being flawed...

The other aspects of the Wonder boys, though, story would be difficult to sell to an American audience. . . college professor and literary hasbeen in a failing marriage, cheating on his wife with a married woman, who is also his boss, the mock father/son relationship for the introverted prodigy in his class that allows him to grow up decades after he should have been, the blunt honest student living in his house that has a crush on him, the depressed and equally unsuccessful editor that comes to town faking his fabulousness... all of them either trying to escape something in their lives or struggling to reach a destination rather than just existing... and Q the oblivious, self involved, successful, ego maniac that we hate because he's just happily living his life unaware of everything under the surface.

I find the people that truly enjoy that film is because they know that situation, or really, more what it's like when you have these kind of festivals and dealing with the 'celebs' in your own social circle... that underlining competitiveness and dysfunction, insecurities and ego, these inane contradictions that make the mundane seem crazy.

in truth, he was the really only easily named, more widely known, actor in the film. . . I would wager they were hoping they could just put him on the poster and leave it at that.

You know, Brokeback Mountain was successful largely because it's advertising sucked... most of the people that saw it only thought it was a western/cowboy film and were unaware of the gay content or other details of the story. I was surprised how many were drawn into it. of course, there were some complaints but not as many exits as one might have expected. So, sometimes that method is more effective.

by Anonymousreply 81December 26, 2022 10:54 AM

"Widely known" is a hard quality to argue over, because it's relative, but McDormand by 2000 was already an Oscar-winning Best Actress, and she'd been in a number of things a lot of people had seen, including Mississippi Burning and films made by her husband and brother-in-law. Maguire was just coming off being the lead in a multiple Oscar contender (although he himself was un-nominated). Downey Jr., another past Oscar nominee (Chaplin) and a former SNL cast member, was in the news a lot in that period, if for negative reasons. Holmes was one of the leads of a popular youth drama, besides being in other movies.

So it had an ensemble of actors who, in 2000, were pretty well known to people who see more than a few movies per year. But I suspect R81 is right about some of the reasons it didn't catch on in terms of subject matter.

I'd add that Paramount's decision to dump it in graveyard of February releases, when those most likely to enjoy it were probably still trying to catch up on 1999's awards contenders, wasn't the best strategy. It was well reviewed and might have done better as a classy year-end release.

by Anonymousreply 82December 26, 2022 11:58 AM

Not a very diverse cast, is it?

by Anonymousreply 83December 26, 2022 1:16 PM

Academia in Pittsburgh isn’t that diverse, especially at that time.

by Anonymousreply 84December 26, 2022 1:42 PM

I liked The Game and Michael Douglas' scenes with Carroll Baker.....

by Anonymousreply 85December 26, 2022 3:01 PM

r82 The others could be identified by specific demographics to which their fanbase were at the time, but Michael was the only one that was widely known... both for his own work and that of his fathers.

by Anonymousreply 86December 26, 2022 8:54 PM

Such an enjoyable film. Weirdly, better than the book in some respects.

by Anonymousreply 87December 26, 2022 9:07 PM

#wonderboyssowhite

by Anonymousreply 88December 26, 2022 9:59 PM

One of the best parts of the movie is when that fucking nasty pit bull dies.

by Anonymousreply 89December 30, 2022 2:51 AM
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