I died of boredom in Genoa City, part II

JaBottom is engaged now

He.

Looks.

Trapped.

MM needs to get married so Swicklor can hang out together again and not raise suspicion.

As I said in another thread....

JaBottom is STRAIGHT????!?!?!????

No way.

His insta always made him seem sad and lonely (and probably pining for Swickard). This girl popped up out of nowhere.

Oh look. NuNoah and Allie have become another worthlessly boring couple. How does Y&R manage to do this year after year? (Writer after writer?)

Mealor has been eating this girl’s pussy for awhile now. Sorry, fags. Mealor and Swickard are totally STRAIGHT. Somewhere, Alan Sarapa is crying.

Y&R seems to deliberately cast the flattest, most expressionless younger actors. I can only assume it's done on purpose so that Hans, Aunt Jack and Nikki aka Tits McGee aren't outacted by them.

Even The Staff has lost her edge. She is truly There For The Mortgage Payment. We lost Gina Tognoni for THIS?

So when is the Tucker, Jeremy, and Daniel three-way? .. After all, they're all staying in THE EXACT SAME HOTEL ROOM .. lol.

Hilarious because Room 405 (Jeremy), Room 406 Tucker), and Room 407 (Daniel) are all in the same place in the exterior hallway and all have the same (corner) view from rear window in the room. The only thing the set people are changing inside the room now is the painting in the small sitting area.

They might as well rename the Grand Phoenix, Genoa City's Motel 6.

Meanwhile, GH has multiple restaurants, kitchens, a stable, a roof top pool in the summer...

Y&R doesn't even try.

I think Bill Bell hired some bad actors over the years but he wrote so much story for them, and the actors showed up and played it every day that fans didn't always notice how bad the actors were.

Noah and Allie are no Grant Aleksander or Lisa Brown but they have no story either.

WRITE SOMETHING. That'll hide their not-so great acting, which I don't think is actually all that bad.

The set budget has been repeatedly slashed over the years in order to pay the veteran actors to stay.

Did they do away with the lobby of the Grand Phoenix? It seemed like everything happened there for about two years. I was shocked that they still had Lola's apartment set to use for Chelsea.

Do Kevin and Chloe live in the servant's quarters at Chancellor mansion, or are the bunking with Lauren and Michael at the penthouse?

R12 Around the time Chance and Abby were going to get married, they made a point of saying Kevin, Chole, and their two kids were moving out of the Chancellor Estate. At some point, Chance told Abby that Esther was going with them, prompting him to suggest that he and Abby live there. Don't ask where the others moved to, though, I really don't think we know .. lol!

Thanks R13 . It's the little things that stand out. For some reason I thought Esther's inheritance from Katherine was contingent on her staying at the mansion. $20k per month, or something unseemly like that. No biggie, I guess.

The guy who plays Noah is so dull. Mopey all the time. No wonder he got taken off contract.

Dumb Dylan has been pouting because everyone at SON was making fun of Josh Griffith. Poor Dumb Dylan.

Dumb Dylan is also sad because Mark Grossman turned him down. Bummer

Genoa City needs to have a big flood and wipe out half the residents. We really never need to see a whole lot of them ever again: Michael and Kevin, Chloe, Chelsea, Lauren, and a few others, for starters.

I need Ron Carlivati to write this show so Carmine's twin will come to GC and finish the job of fucking Lauren and Fen, but denying Michael, thus driving him to suicide.

Is it wrong to hope that the tree lights short circuit and cause a fire in the cabin that kills Jabottom, Summer, Diane and Harrison?

R18 I don't see Carlivati being the right fit for Genoa City.

btw - There's no reason for Carmine to have a twin. He's not dead. It was revealed that the authorities faked his death and put him in witness protection after he agreed to turn state's evidence against some mobster they were after. .. We saw LaBladwin track Carmine down and take a photo of him holding a newspaper with the current date on it in order to clear FenMo of murder charges. .. And a return would be entirely believable, since we later heard that the mobster Carmine helped put away was murdered in prison, so there's no real reason why witness protection would still be required.

Carmine lives! .. And he's definitely among my top characters to mount a return.

Dear gawd in heaven! SOD is using BrendaD's face filters on their covers now!

I've noticed for the last few years that Lauren has become an angry bitch. What caused this change in character?

Lauren was always a bitch, r22.

When Kay died, the writers should have (but had no interest in) re-defined who was in the house.

Put Jill and Esther in there; have Nina move in. Pit Devon and Mac against each other in some kind of inheritance battle.

But instead they moved Billy in there and painted the place battleship blue/gray.

Soaps need writers who love the shows, love the characters...

Gee. I wonder what's causing Sally not to want to drink coffee tonight.

Dumb Dylan is butt hurt because not everyone loves Josh Griffith like he does.

Y&R really does have a problem writing for the younger characters. The show did not do anything with Moses and Faith. They did not do anything much with Mattie, Charlie, and Reed. One of the oldest tricks in the book is to have a couple who is torn apart by a third party--and working to find their way back to each other. The problem with Allie and Noah is that they were thrown together so abruptly that it doesn't matter if someone else comes along to tear them apart. They don't feel like a couple that's worth rooting for. And I really don't care about Noah and Audra's past relationship in London.

[quote] The problem with Allie and Noah is that they were thrown together so abruptly that it doesn't matter if someone else comes along to tear them apart

Kyle and Summer redux

It also doesn't help that Allie and Noah have zero chemistry.

R29 Also Kyle and Summer redux.

Apparently just pushing two people together is supposed to do all the work of chemistry. Same with Abby and nuChance.

Abby and Devon fucking is at least somewhat interesting.

Chance and Noah: that's the couple they should have pushed.

How did Lily have Dru and Malcolm as birth parents and not inherit one ounce of personality? Has she had a boyfriend of color on the show?

[quote] How did Lily have Dru and Malcolm as birth parents and not inherit one ounce of personality?

Seriously. Her long tenure boggles my mind.

Is this Christmas baby shit a fucking joke? How much worse can Y&R get?

It was a new low, even for this shit show

A holiday message from CBS Daytime:

Greetings Y&R viewers!

In case you missed it:

The Y&R characters known as Tessa & Mariah are MARRIED.

Yes, they are WIVES.

That's two women (plural) who happen to be WIFE & WIFE.

And as a MARRIED couple they will be doing MARRIED things just like any other MARRIED couple.

We know you will love our happily MARRIED WIVES -- yes, both of them -- just as much as we do!

What Christmas Baby Shit?

It's too dreadful to even waste time explaining it.

R32 They started to develop a relationship between Lily & Tyler Michaelson. But the nutso Lane stans weren't having it and bashed Tyler (and Redaric) constantly.

Part of the story had to do with Tyler's history, where they let it be known that he'd previously been in a serious relationship with a woman who very much resembled Lily. This woman's name was "Mariah."

At that point, "Mariah" was not supposed to be this pale redhead played by Camryn Grimes. We'd already seen part of Mariah's body in a flashback or two, and she had the complexion and body of Christal Khalil. One rumor was that CK was going to play a double role, or they were still looking for an actress who resembled her.

In any event, around this same time, McDaniel (CBS) wanted Grimes back on contract, and the show needed some kind of entrance story, so they quickly changed things and had her become Tyler's "Mariah." (JFP tried to sell the lie that this had been the plan all along .. lol!) Needless to say, Camryn and Redaric had zero chemistry. The whole thing was quickly dropped. Redaric was soon written out; thereby putting the kibosh on anything more between Tyler and Lily.

Question of those of you who keep up with the character histories:

The carnival childhood story that Sally told Nick about on Thursday's show, did that jive with the Sally character's history that was established on B&B? Or was this a retcon for Y&R purposes?

Tessa and Mariah are the WORST pairing ever on Y&R. Tessa has the most annoying nasally delivery and Mariah is just a fat blob. Ugh. And Josh Griffith is going to be the sole show runner???????? As our dear beloved Jeanne Cooper would say - Dear God in Heaven!

R40 I did a search on the transcripts, and Sally Junior had the following conversation with Gay Saul on B&B in 2017:

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Sally: I would give anything for a simple life in The Valley (*). My parents were carnies.

Saul: Stop. No. No, they were not.

Sally: Yep. Yeah, they were. They were in the carnival circuit all over California and Nevada. You name it, we were there.

Saul: So -- so you and Coco, you went with?

Sally: Yeah. Yeah, we traveled all the time when I was young.

Saul: [Scoffs]

Sally: But Coco was obviously still a baby. And then my, uh, parents, they did some sketchy stuff on the side.

Saul: Like what?

Sally: Ran some scams. Rigged some games -- card games. They were always dealing cards. And, uh... that's not the only thing they were dealing.

Saul: Wow.

Sally: They would do anything to make some extra money. That's just how Spectras are. You know how grams always says that Spectras are survivors?

Saul: Mm-hmm.

Sally: Yeah, we're more like swindlers. We come from a long line of very talented con artists.

Saul: I just had no clue that it was that crazy.

Sally: Well, eventually, my parents were unable to care for me and Coco.

Saul: So that's when you moved in with Shirley?

Sally: Yeah, I mean, if it wasn't for grams, we would have been thrown into the system.

Saul: Wow, thank goodness for Shirley, huh?

Sally: Yeah, I mean, she tried to give us a really good life. She worked hard at the bakery, she scratched and clawed for every buck. Yeah, and now here we are, turning this place into a knock-off shop.

Saul: Well, there's nothing wrong with that.

Sally: We come from generations of hustlers, years and years of scammers, and then out pops Coco. She's like this angel baby, the most innocent little girl that you have ever met in your life. And thinking of taking advantage of her... I don't know. I don't know. Maybe this is her fate. Maybe she is destined to become one of us.

Thanks r42.

Does Town Mattress Sharon keep a log of all the men she sleeps with?

Y&R is horrible.

Horrible message sent with mental health, sexual assault of men, story telling.

everything.

Putting Dull Devon and Boredway together at least consolidates the fast-forward material.

If these two get together, it would present the perfect opportunity to just write them both out to New York, or Paris, or Norfolk, happy and settled, with their kid.

Where will Sharon and Chance fuck? The countertop at Crimson Lights?

Sharon appears to live in that coffee shoppe now. And since Chance moved out of the Chancellor Estate, one images he now sleeps in the backseat of his police-issued vehicle.

I love Michael Damian's Danny. He is the gayest man that never gayed. He looks great.

I hate Phyllis.

ROCK ON!

Never liked Danny - never thought he was cute then, and he looks like a troll doll now.

If only I'd gotten to see inside Thom Bierdz' pants back in the day.....

Christian Le Blanc was injured!

He won't be able to jack off for a while!

Chrissy wrote:

[quote] "NO WORRIES I am home and doing well.

IOW, there's nothing wrong with his mouth.

Danny is even uglier!

Why does Danny's head so BIG?

Damian would look so much better if he didn’t dye his hair.

[quote]Damian would look so much better if he didn’t dye his hair.

So, true. It's so obviously dyed and looks so unnatural.

Even worse, his TV son has gray hairs, yet he has jet black hair.

We'd need to know if Brian Hamilton has gone gray.

Little Connie has quite the crush on Billy.

When are they going to reveal that Connor is trans?

Chloe's Paradise Island chest armor is quite a look.

The two gay guys in the background when Traci & Danny started crooning Auld Lang Syne appear to be our token gay couple of 2022.

Maybe they're supposed to be "Troy and Dean" and part of the returns celebrating the show's 50th Anniversary .. lol!

(Click to enlarge.)

Michael was REALLY happy to see Danny.

With what little they give him, melodramatic Chrissy is always playing to the back row of the balcony.

R64 is right. He's a nice friendly guy who gives a shout out to the health care workers that took care of him; he has several daytimers from Y&R co-stars to Finola Hughes wishing him well.

Many ask what happened, what's wrong, what's your injury -- and he never answers.

Always leave 'em wanting more, I suppose.

It must be EXHAUSTING being around him in a regular basis and dear God, would you want to be there when the laughter stops.

That's mean, I know, but I've had people who blast out all that energy and attention in your direction. But it's never really sincere and it sucks when it stops.

Yeah, right. I know it's a "classic."

But seriously? The Masquerade Ball, AGAIN?

And it's the holidays. They should have gone with one of the ancient, Christmas miracle shows.

Michael was very happy to see Danny wasn't he?? Seeing Tracy, Lauren and Danny brought back good memories and I loved that Danny called Christine Cricket

LOL that ball does nothing but highlight how long most of those hacks have been playing those parts

Christian seems very well liked in the soap community.

Chrissy is like Miss Popularity of the Daytime World Pageant!

(Otherwise known as that effusive gay guy who's always *on*.)

Didn't they age Faith to finally have a relatable teen heroine? And she's gone, like Cousin Reed, Lily's twins and the son to be back to London Noah and that Asian girl. Get some balls Y&R and do a real gay sl. Nobody is invested in Mariah and Tessa. Make Faith a Greta Thunburger type who calls Victor out for his shit. Noah screams gay.

He's extremely well liked. But he's like a butterfly, flying from one person to the next, never landing long enough to establish anything lasting.

You FEEL like he's your BFF.

But ... he's not.

[quote] ... never landing long enough to establish anything lasting.

While he seems to flit from here to there on social media and often comes off like an overexposed teenager on Tik-Tok, I don't think I'd go that far.

He's been with the husband for nearly three decades now. He's also very close to his Louisiana family and friends. The photos and clips of his big 60th birthday gala down in New Orleans showed that. Plus, there are gay couples based down there whom he and Sid have been socially-tight with for years (e.g. husbands Bryan Batt/Tom Cianfichi and David Bernard-Charlie Urstadt to name a couple). And besides "their children" (three dogs and a cat), they both throw themselves into lengthy, detail-oriented home renovation projects of historically significant properties. That appears to be a shared passion. And unlike some daytime actors who seem to flounder when their airtime becomes scant or nil, he immediately pivoted to his other longtime passion: his art.

Beyond his frenetic social media persona, I'd say all of those relationships and activities in his 'other life' are lasting, long-term constants in his life that he's engendered.

Relax R73 , or should I say Christian. No one here is mad at you.

Just because a camera isn't in CLB's asshole every day doesn't make him aloof.

H R74, half way through I though is this Christian?

I don't think he'd stay long enough.

R72, here and I sit corrected; R73 is quite correct. He has a long running marriage/relationship with Sid, the husband. I've never heard of any cheating on either side. Thes same can't be said for most actors.

No, I more meant how he buddies up to the flavor of the month in terms of new actors; he's all over social with them and then if that actor goes, he's on to the next one.

He's a little like Dickie in the Talented Mr. Ripley; when he shines his light on you, you feel like you're the only other person in the world and then when it goes away you're like ...huh? (That's not the right quote exactly but that's the gist of it.)

I've met him briefly and after, a mutual friend used the butterfly analogy. You can't let people like that get too close to you in show biz. You have to know it's not real or sincere except in that moment.

Not a bad guy. Just bad for some people.

How many lines did Sharon Case do in her dressing room before filming today's ep?

CRICKET >> Is there SOMEONE special in your life?

DANNY >> Well, umm, I, uhh, I've been seeing SOMEONE. .. It's uhh, ahem. it's, uhh, casual. .. I mean, you know .. given my schedule I don't really know where it's going. .. I guess time will tell. .. But I guess my life [my hole] is full right now.

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So with that non-specific "someone" talk, it appears they've left the door open for Danny to finally come out and announce he's found the alpha top of his dreams!

I just happened to catch Danny and Christine’s scenes yesterday. They both whisper talk.

Danny and Cricket are the super couple we need! The new Nikki and Victor.

Did Michael Damian piss someone off in the makeup department or lighting crew?

He looked about 10 years older today than he did last week.

Cryptkeeper Romalatti

When did Lauralee realize MD was never gonna marry her? Is that why Daddy switched her to the 14 years older than her, DOUGIE??

He’s now got a face for voiceovers (radio)…

Miss Damian's wig scares the children

Will international recording superstar Danny cross paths with billionaire music mogul wunderkind Devon?

Will they combine their super powers to finally make Nikki's Concerto in Chancellor Park a reality?

I didn't watch Y&R back then. I bet the Phyl/Cricket/Danny triangle was entertaining. Did Stafford play her as nuts as she does now?

Also, I enjoyed the conversation b/t Nick and Lilly. How much older is he SUPPOSED to be than her?

R88, at one point she ran Cricket down with a car. And that was here in grudge phase. Danny had gone off to a permanent tour circuit of Puerto Vallarta, Palm Springs, Mykonos and Provincetown. I mean, explain that?

I could have told you all that Danny's as queer as a cat fart years ago.

He may be cute. But I'm.....bigger!

[quote]Genoa City needs to have a big flood and wipe out half the residents. We really never need to see a whole lot of them ever again: Michael and Kevin, Chloe, Chelsea, Lauren, and a few others, for starters.

Phyllis is at the top of my list. I have never liked her. I mostly remember her talking Daniel's babysitter Joni's ear off as they both stood facing the audience. Was that a Bill Bell technique? I don't recall our Midwestern Marvels not facing each other while speaking with each other.

And there were her nasty bitchcunt from hell scenes with Drucilla. I loved Drucilla, and would love it if she could come back and get rid of Phyllis once and for all.

Phyllis and Sheila were fun bitches but to see those women in their late 20s/early 30s was interesting. To see them now is just sad and desperate.

The inability to let go of some older, played out characters has really hobbled all the soaps, both defunct and still existent. I like history too, but sometimes these shows hold on to characters with no story way longer than needed.

That's why I always thought Gina worked in the role. Her Phyllis retained some of the raw wildness, but she was a grown up and they largely wrote her as one.

Gina was so good as Phyllis.

GINA was a better actress. And prettier, younger, less loud, no mugging......I could go on and on.

Gina is to Phyllis what Jess Walton is to Jill and Michelle is what Brenda Dickson was to Jill.

R97 Have another cocktail, honey.

Whatever she's become privately, I get the feeling Brenda Dickson just delivered Jill as directed. She played her much differently in her first go and in the early going of her return. She started wood chippering the scenery after the divorce from John Abbott, but even Clare Lawrence could tell you when the change in direction happened.

[quote] Also, I enjoyed the conversation b/t Nick and Lilly. How much older is he SUPPOSED to be than her?

R89 The year Lily was born (1995), Nick was an 18-year old virgin getting his hole primed with spit by The Wartman in prison.

But seven years later, they SORASed Lily to 14 when she returned from Europe in 2002, so they added about seven additional years to her age.

Except for during the time when they egregiously aged Lily's twins to teenagers, Khalil has basically played her real-life age in the role. Joshua Morrow as well. She's currently 35. He's 48. btw, Morrow is actually three years younger than Khalil's long-term, ex-screen partner, Daniel Goddard (Cane). Meanwhile, Jason Thompson (Billy)is 46, yet looks older than Morrow. (ftr, Billy is only supposed to be two years older than Lily as he was born in 1993.)

I remember viewers noticed that Khlalil and Morrow worked well together during some make-believe, fantasy sequence several years agp. (I actually think they were shown to be married?) Anyway, they had a hot kiss and some viewers were calling for the characters to hook-up for real, saying they looked good together.

Wherever we were in the time continuum in 1995, Nicolas was born in 1988 so he’s only a few years older in some dimension…

Jason is getting the same Cryptkeeper treatment as MD. They both look like hell.

Funny how when Billy was born (1993), the story was that Jack and his sisters were an entire generation older than him. John was done having kids, and Jill seduced him with martinis before he could have the vasectomy. He even wanted Jill to terminate the pregnancy.

With JT in the role, Billy now looks like their slightly younger brother.

R103, Jason Thompson is one of my favorite actors and a truly nice guy.

He is miscast as Billy Abbott. Chuck Pratt asked him at the Emmys if he wanted to come over to Y&R; Chuck, who had no idea what Y&R was or where it should go. Jason, wanting a better deal at a more secure show (maybe) jumped ship.

AT GH, fans were not going to let go of 'Scrubs' easily so he was in a lose/lose.

However, he was much better as Patrick, the doting dad to Emma.

Patrick was a welcome breath of fresh air after all the mobster leading men on GH -- Sonny, Jason.

He looks like Fred MacMurray, he's aged. He should go back to playing Patrick.

The podcasts, the moaning over Delia...forgiving Chelsea for raping him...it's all so boring and dull and stupid.

r104

100% agree... he just is not Billy

Weirdly, Jason T has started to look more and more like Peter Bergman.

He really couldn't be at GH much longer - especially since fat Kim Mc doesn't want to act any more.

[quote] He looks like Fred MacMurray, he's aged.

LOL! .. I've thought the same thing about him!

And even after six long years now, they keep trying to sell the notion that he's Fuck-Up Billy, and "Fred MacMurray Billy" just doesn't read fuck-Up.

LOL Aunt Jack and Jabottom fretting and wringing their hands over Diane's "safety" is so overwrought that it's hilarious. The only way the tedious Diane storyline pays off is if she's actually there to grift the Abbotts. Why bring back a devious character like that just to play grandmother to that odious Child of the Corn Harrison?

Maria Bell NEVER should have killed off Diane and CBS Daytime never should have forced her to hire Maura as Diane; totally miscast. Walters is younger than Donnelley and West is younger than Walters.

Ironically, casting a non fat fuck up frat boy as Billy could have endangered Bergman since Thompson's Billy is just a young Bergman/Jack.

The show's a mess. Phyllis is an idiot for bringing Stark to town after everyone told her not to.

The show needs to have Tara come back and sue for custody, using the Abbotts' sins against them.

[quote] The show needs to have Tara come back and sue for custody, using the Abbotts' sins against them.

Yeah, The Return of Tara causing trouble seems like Soap 101. I think they'd have to recast Tara, though, since the original actress who played the role was pretty subpar.

If Days doesn't plan on keeping Jessica Serfaty around as the recurring "Sloan Petersen," she'd be a welcome addition to Y&R. I'd say she's been the casting find of 2022. (Although, I can see where Serfaty may not want a contract, soap gig. She appears to make $ as a social media influencer, with her 1 million IG followers and related projects.

The only Tara they need back is Lipinski to bring back GC's new Head of Surgery, Dr. Marnie Kowalski.

Devon and Abby are gross.

Hate to be mean (not really), but that kid playing Dominic is very unfortunate looking. He also seems drugged.

When Daniel told Phyllis and Danny last week that he'd hit "rock bottom," he should have gone further in his conversation with Lily today and confessed that what he really meant was that things got so bad for him that he went to a seedy motel room, presented hole on Grindr, and bottomed for any anonymous guy who wanted to fuck him. .. He explains that it was both an expression of low self-esteem and a form of self-punishment.

And that's what really sent Heather packing, as it brought up the bad memory of Adam cheating on her with Rafe.

Lily thinks a bit and surmises, "So basically, you went from porn addiction to a form of sex addiction?"

Daniel glumly replies, "Yeah. But my therapist feels it was just a one-time blip, and I'm not in that dark place any longer."

"Well, that's good to hear," Lily continues, "And it's also good that you were at least honest with Heather."

Daniel sighs, "Yeah .. But I was kinda forced into telling her after I came down with monkeypox."

"Hey! Don't beat yourself up!" Lily says. "Monkeypox, chlamydia .. we've all been there!"

History folks!

Not Rex Sterling!

Another.

The clever banter between Rex and Kay's dentures used to crack me up.

RIP.

Jesus, he looks old. And when I say old I mean looks like shit.

It's too bad BrendaD left before the Quinn started playing Rex. She and David were plotting the scenario to hire some guy to seduce "the old SOT" LOL! right before her exit.

God, that's some bad writing, made worse by the Best Performance By a Termite in Beaded Eveningwear.

Does anyone know what’s up with Thom Bierdz? He was a regular on Twitter and Instagram, but has posted anything in over a year. I hope he’s okay.

R121 He's posted on Fraubook twice in the last hour. Three hours ago, he put a photo up there from the time he and Quinn Redeker came back to the show as "dead" Phillip and Rex telling Kay to stop drinking. He wrote how much he enjoyed working with Quinn (RIP).

Town mattress Sharon is wearing her sluttiest lipstick for Chance today. You go ho.

Chance is the only male in town that Sharon hasn't slept with, isn't he?

She's clearly looking to correct that.

Sharon hasn't gotten 'round to Nate, DuhVon, Kyle, Daniel, Poor Kevvie, or LaBaldwin either.

Has Sharon bedded Billy yet?

Also hasn't had time to go after Jeremy Stark.

R126

Real Billy and Sharon did the nasty… he was one of three possibilities of being Faith’s dad

I hope she sleeps with Nate, DuhVon, Kyle, and Daniel. I don't think any of them were born the first time she married Nick.

What would revitalize this show? Anything?

R128 Nate, Daniel, and DuhVon were born prior to Nick and Sharon's first marriage in 1996.

The funny thing about Chance is that the character should actually be about six months older than Nick, since they were both born the same year.

This is the issue with inconsistent soarsing among generations of kids compounded by casting/recasting with younger or older looking actors.

Sharon is NuKay!

The funny thing is that Sharon Case is actually six years older than Wilma Jeanne was when Jeff the Stableboy was banging her (age 51 vs. 45).

But back then, Kay was considered OLD OLD OLD .. lol.

Actors have an age range; once they hit it, they're there for a long time -- if they're lucky.

I died of boredom just looking at the photo of that tediously generic woman!

FenMo appears January 25.

Perfect timing since JaBottom and Summer are having issues.

why has Y&R failed to give a new young leading man a proper platform and story?

Fenmore, Noah, Moses...Theo....can these guys not handle the material?

Morrow started i 1994 and over the next 3 years Nick fell for Sharon, fought Matt, went to jail for shooting him (innocent), had a prison storyline, got out of jail, married Sharon and was expecting Noah. He was hardly Kevin Bacon or Grant Aleksander in the acting department.

The writers just let these other guys sit there.

Yeah, minus the guy who played Moses, the actors playing Fenmore, Noah, and Theo are all better than Joshua Morrow was when he first started. .. Same with Shemar Moore who showed up in 1994 too. .. Both of them were pretty green, but Bell stuck with them and played them and their sex appeal.

Moses was Gawd Awful, queerer than a 12 dollar bill. Even Little Dolly Parton's thespian skills couldn't save that storyline, had she been around.

I agree on Moses but I didn't want to be called racist and so I included Moses.

They should change that name .

But no, Shemar and Joshua were not good actors (I can't believe Shemar beat out Kristoff and Christian Le Blanc in 98 for the Supporting Actor Emmy)

But yes, Bell stuck with them and wrote as if they could act. these writers today can't write so they don't know what to do. when in doubt, fire the last person hired.

Good god, this "I'll just take a jaunt to Chicago and steal Nicki's necklace," plots is one of the stupidest things this show has done.

^ And all we get is HEARING about it, before and after the theft occurred.

I wanted to see Mata Hari Jackie sneak in and pull this big heist off.

Of course, then they'd actually have to build a set and hire a couple of dayplayers.

Typical of Griffith's all-talk, no-action writing.

If I want, I can go read a book.

R139 Oh yeah, because posters in DL soap threads are constantly being called out on their racism.

Will Aunt "Cat Burgler" Jack still prance around on his moral high horse with Phyllis after committing grand larceny to protect known grifter Diane?

Dear gawd in heaven.

They hire an older stud like James Hyde, but when Chance comes to search Jeremy's hotel room, they don't even have him shirtless, wrapped in a towel, and still dripping wet from his shower. Instead he's covered up in hotel robe.

I mean, Hyde may not have his "Sam Bennett" physique, but he's still a Hot Daddy.

This team doesn't know how to script sex appeal.

it's almost like they're tryingn to cancel the show but if they truly were I'd think they'd just start canning longtimers like meldoy and peter and eileen...(yeah, eileen's recurring but still)

it's awful; Bill's either laughing or crying up in heaven.

Apparently the reason Zach Tinker is back on 1/25 is because a whole hour will be dedicated to Snoren Fenmore's 40 years on the show.

I have never gotten the Tracy Bregman love. She has perpetual stink face, and she's a whiny snot like Melody T-S.

They should get James into his skimpy wardrobe from his days touring as a dancer with Dead or Alive!

(He loses more clothing as the video goes on. 😉)

They should have killed off Lauren and Michael years ago, and had Fen take over with his Brazilian boyfriend.

As a Dead or Alive fan, I own that concert film at R148. It's a mashup of two concerts that occurred in Japan 1987. There are also some interesting outtakes included with the video filmed when they're not onstage. In one, the band is about to go onstage, and Pete mentions that it's "James birthday" implying he's got a very special 'gift' for him. The sexual innuendo is pretty obvious. Hyde worked with Pete in other projects besides this. You can spot him in other DOA music videos from the era.

Before Jeremy is hauled off, he shouts: THIS IS A LOAD OF CRAP !!

Ha ha .. how true!

R147, not the greatest actress but a sweetheart in real life.

The Lauren/Traci feud back in the day was huge.

I think Lauren must be the character with the most crazy obsessive types out to kill her in the history of soaps .. lol.

Besides Sheila Carter more than once, she had Shawn Garrett, Rush Carerra, Shephyllis, Sarah Smythe, and Carmine Basco.

Traci should have just sat on her and made her implants explode.

Many of these veteran characters who get little screen time had very well written, fun, storylines back in the day.

This show has taken so many missteps since then. Someone on another said thread mentioned the retconning of Jill and Katherine’s relationship. That’s a prime example. Phillip III’s return from the dead only to reveal he “died” rather than reveal he’s gay was another stink bomb.

I gave MAB a pass on her Phillip is gay story, because something had to be done to undo Lathag's prior retcon that said Cane was the real PC3, and the the Phillip we'd known and seen Kay and Jill do battle over was just some anonymous baby. That was the real stink bomb.

Correct me if I'm wrong, doesn't Nikki's 'stolen' necklace need to stay in evidence to nail the case against Stark? Aunt Jack said it would put back and Nikki wouldn't miss it. Chance's arrest of Stark was just as stupid, no handcuffs - I would have handcuffed Stark, lol - and he's just ushered out of his room. How are these charges supposed to stick? Who writes this shit??

The search of Stark's room was stupid. If Chance doesn't have a partner yet, then he should have grabbed a uniformed police officer to go with him. Not only that, police don't just go to a hotel like the Grand Phoenix without first checking in with hotel security and notifying them of what they're doing on the premises with someone from that office accompanying them to the guest's room.

Of course, maybe making Chance look dumb and not following protocol was written on purpose and will be what leads to Stark being released.

You're both absolutely correct, r156 and r157, but if today is the last time we lay eyes and ears on James Hyde, all is forgiven.

This is the worst Y&R has ever been.

Then again, writing JT as a wife-beater was pretty dumb.

Being married to Vic-Snoria would turn almost anyone into a wife beater

But JT in a wife beater and tight white Polo briefs would be just fine!!!!!

Can CH go back to B&B? What’s this Sally obsession?

[quote]JT in a wife beater and tight white Polo briefs

Lose the wife beater. Just the briefs. Whose idiocy was responsible for getting rid of JT? I'd long since given up on the show by then.

Killing off Colleen, and then destroying JT to prop up Ictoria and Victor was just looney.

Heather and Lucy are coming to Genoa City for a visit.

Does this mean we will also get to see Heather's dad, Paul?

[quote] Whose idiocy was responsible for getting rid of JT? I'd long since given up on the show by then.

Luckingbill only came back for that abuse story. (Boy's got bigger and better things to do than this silly soap.) .. As I recall, I believe he said something about the dark nature of it is why he signed on for Mal Young's story. He wanted to play something different.

At least JT's volatility, anger, and violence was explained by his brain injury that occurred when he was previously electrocuted. That fit with past story. And after it was all over and he'd had the surgery, he didn't try to excuse-away what he'd done. Instead, JT returned to his more 'noble' persona and simply plead guilty without trial, accepting his prison sentence.

I hope JT has found a hot twink at Walworth.

edit ^ Luckinbill

I just saw Bloom on a repeat of her season of Vanderpump Rules. I figured she was done after that.

It was pretty obvious that something was going on with Bloom towards the end of her run on Y&R. And then her sudden dismissal was odd with her agent making some (excuse) statement.

Her admission on Vanderpump Rules of being a total cokehead while on Y&R explained a lot.

But it's not like this soap is unwilling to give actors who have gone to rehab and are sober a second chance. Look at Wilma Jeanne.

[quote] Does this mean we will also get to see Heather's dad, Paul?

They'll probably just do the same thing they did when Danny recently visited, where it was mentioned that "Paul and Christine were on ski trip," then Danny asked about Paul when he met Cricket.

IOW, they might just have Heather meet with Daniel to discuss the status of their relationship (i.e. he's not planning on returning to Savannah) and to drop off Lucy. Then, Heather will say something about having dinner with Paul & Christine before she leaves town.

The next time we see Heather, it will probably by at Lucy's wedding or Paul's memorial service.

Would Doug Davidson do a one or two day return? My understanding is he won’t.

The scene I want to see is Heather walking into Society, seeing Adam at the bar, then going over to him asking, "Fuck any hot Latinboyz lately?"

Bonus points if the bartender that day is a sexy Cuban who looks over and licks his lips.

Doesn't he have a different face from the last time she saw him? (Literally....wasn't that the whole thing with Justin H's Adam?)

Some women had a meltdown over Adam sleeping with Rafe to keep him from blabbing some secret of Adam's that Rafe had come upon.

Meltdown. He wouldn't do that!

I tried to say he was so Machievellian that he would have done anything!

But he's not gay!

Ok, I said; So, he's straight so...he'd sleep with Esther?

"Well, no, he wouldn't do that."

R173 When you have an ex-fiancé who's been presumed dead no less than three times since you last dated him - yet somehow keeps coming back to life - you might check his social media from time-to-time .. lol.

This Jeremy Stark/jewelry theft story is one of the worst things I've ever witnessed on daytime. I'd rather revisit the reliquary.

LOL it really is. It's like it was concocted by a fifth grader. Sally being pregnant is a close second.

From Next Week's Preview ....

So who's the hot blond guy accompanying FenMo at Lauren's party?

Is Fen going to take the opportunity to introduce everyone to his boyfriend at the gathering?

And is that Corbin Fisher Tripp from DOOL? He looks like Lucas Adams.

I made a gif and slowed it down. Click for full-screen to show him standing to the left.

I don't recognize that set. Did they build it special so Chapman could chew it to sawdust on her one-day appearance?

R179 I think the set is basically the Grand Phoenix reception area, perhaps scaled back and/or shot from a different perspective. You can tell that the fireplace and several decorative elements are the same. See old photo below. Once Phyllis left the hotel biz and after Noah's Glam Club opened, some were wondering if that set was still going to be around.

Thanks R180 . That photo really captures the current essence of Stafford's Phyllis.

Looking at some screen caps of FenMo's return, the other guy isn't Lucas Adams.

But he is cute, and that suit coat they have him in is totally gay!

Instead of shirtless Jeremy we get Aunt Jack in bed with Dianejenkins.

I wonder if he took his sock garters off?

The torrid romance of Jack and Diane will save the show!!!

Peter Bergman will be 70 this year and I swear the show writes for him like he's still 50.

they're wrapping up this Jeremy Stark, for lack of a better word, 'story, like the last 90 seconds of a Charlie's Angels episode.

I half expect to see David Doyle pop up and say, 'Our client, the real victim in all this is, is very pleased you for bringing her sister's killer to justice.'

Cut to Kris and Tiffany nodding. Kelly forces a half smile.

Who will be the next fifty/sixty something actor dragged onto the show? I mean, TSJ is staying put so far but Burgi/Newman and James Hyde were in and out.

Chance lamenting the case to Sharon in the coffee shop has me thinking this isn't over.

How irresponsible and criminal for Jack to set up Jeremy that way. Dude hadn't done anything (yet).

Maybe Will deVries will come on. I heard he screen-tested for Cutter or is it Tucker? against Hyde and Trevor SJ.

They need to rehier me to tayke the show bak to Nuwber 1!!111

Y&R did not become No. 1 until I was playing Jill.

Just think! If Aunt Jack gets arrested for framing Jeremy, he can go to jail and give us his best Susan Hayward from "I Want to Live!"

I'll laugh if FenMo comes home with a boyfriend when it should've been Noah first, and after Rikaart has been asking for Kevin to be gay for years.

I only remember Rikaart suggesting Kevin go gay when the "Harder" material was playing, since he and Chris McKenna had obvious screen chemistry and viewers could imagine Detective Harding pounding Fish's ass. Beyond that interlude, I've always found him very supportive of his female pairings, especially with Emily O'Brien (Jana) and Liz Hendrickson (Chloe).

I still remember this pretty hot slash fiction entry for Harding and Fish. I sort of imagined their hook-up the same way .. lol .. but someone did a really good job of at writing the scene.

How did the show get rid of Chris McKenna’s character? He’s an actor I’ve always liked since his Joey Buchanan days on OLTL.

I think they made him a serial killer. I'm sure Paul Williams shot him up real good.

In the old days, if a performer popped on screen and jazzed up interest, they'd make room for them on the canvas.

The issue with Y&R is that they won't do that any more, because one of the ancients might get offended the new star is taking their shine. So it will remain a dishwater dull rehash of what has been said before.

Chris McKenna should have had a three year run, but instead, the minute he started to spark onscreen, they made him a killer. No wonder soaps are dying.

Have the lezzies adopted a kid yet? THAT is the storyline that will bring in viewers by the millions!

Sharon Case's latest face leads me to believe she has one of those "no grandchildren" clauses in her contract.

Lucky for Sharon and Melody....two talent free cunts who nevertheless have parlayed their utter lack of measurable talent into 30+ year runs on the top rated soap.

As if we didn't see this coming.....Victor blackmails Jack into firing Adam when he realizes Jack and Diane did the necklace heist. Lather, Rinse, Repeat.

A third-grader could figure out who did the necklace heist.

Did everyone catch Miss Connor getting sassy with Johnny? She was making fun of him for being an old, just like a DL'er.

That's "Crystal" Connor to you, grampie!

MARY!

I hope Cricket remembers to tell Society to serve Spare Ribs & Sauerkraut at Paul's wake.

They need to bring ME back! I'll take the show BACK to Number 1!

When Kevin pulled some shit and was going o be locked up overnight in holding, McKenna played Harding so tenderly towards Kevin; don't worry, he said. I told the guards to look out for you.

I imagine there was some fan fiction where Kevin's about to be raped and Harding comings in and saves him the way Victor did Nick from Shark.

The only time I liked Kevin was with Harding. So stupid they didn't go there. Then to make Harding the killer....stupid. That was 10 years ago????

He was - well, is - so, so fucking hot.

But like I said, anyone who isn't one of the Ancient Six is used up and tossed out.

Which ones are the ancient six?

Hans and Melody

Aunt Jack and Staff

and

Josh M and Sharon. (I suppose we could make it seven and include Boretoria).

It would have made perfect sense, if Harding had just been one of those gay guys who are 'out' in their personal life, but don't discuss their sexuality at work, especially since he was a police officer.

And they had the perfect set-up for Kevin to discover this when they wrote that little bit about Harding having asked Fish to take care of his pet, "Roscoe," while he was out of town.

Kevin later reported to The Scooby Gang that he thought Roscoe was going to be something like a Doberman or python, but that's when we learned Roscoe had turned out to be - surprise! - a cute little bunny rabbit.

Not only that, but Roscoe also turned out to be a "she," and to Harding's surprise, had baby bunnies while he was gone. .. There were jokes made about this, including something about Harding being confused about the female of the species and his general ignorance about women. .. Noah even snarked to Harding that perhaps his unseen girlfriend named "Lonnie" - who apparently had just dumped the dateless detective - had turned out to be a guy. .. Hmmm.

Instead of that lameness, they should have shown Kevin go to Harding's apartment -- a fashionably-appointed abode, no less! .. And while he was taking care of Roscoe, done some typical Kevin-like snooping around.

That's when Kevin would come across items that made Harding's sexuality perfectly clear: perhaps a framed photo of the gay rugby team that he played for when he lived in Chicago .. a copy of Mark Perry's gay superhero novel, "Hero," on the bookshelf (with an inscription and a "Love Always" from another guy) .. a colorful assortment of designer jockstraps in his dresser drawer .. and that tub of Boy Butter in the nightstand along with several classic DVDs from Raging Stallion, Falcon, and Titan Men studios. .. And right when Kevin is holding the copy of "Trespass 2," Harding would come home early asking. "Wanna watch that one with me, Fish? You might learn a thing or two."

And of course, post-sex, we'd learn Mark asked Kevin to go to his apartment and take care of Roscoe on purpose. .. This was his plan all along.

I liked that Chris McKenna is not pretty boy handsome, but ruggedly handsome.

Love that R212. It would have hooked me. I can't stand that she-bitch Kevin is married to on the show.

Chris McKenna showed peen in KING OF THE ANTS

ass too...

GIF...

he's just a GUY, a MAN...Big loss to Y&R.

[quote] I can't stand that she-bitch Kevin is married to on the show.

It's my understanding that Kevin and the she-bitch aren't actually married.

Recall, Kevin & Chloe married, divorced .. married, divorced .. and were about to get married for the THIRD time, when it was discovered that Chloe had murdered Adam. She ran off in her wedding dress before the ceremony got started. .. Then, after they faked Chloe's own death with her becoming "Helen Jones", we saw Kevin propose to "Helen," but he added that they couldn't actually get married, because it would be too risky.

I believe they just cohabitate, and unless they've mentioned getting hitched in some throwaway line, we've never seen a Wedding No. 3. And looking at them in a screen cap from next week's party for Lauren, I notice that neither of them are wearing wedding rings.

Perhaps there's hope for Kevin yet!

The guy walking in with FenMo at Lauren's Gayla is actor, Julian Larach.

His character is being identified by Soap Opera Digest as an employee of Lauren's named "Trey."

As seen below, Mr. Larach's Instagram is gayer than Gay Gayerson. This photo was tagged San Francisco.

Having fun in Provincetown....

Okay, I was trying to figure out why this guy has over 81K followers on IG.

Turns out he is or was a go-go boy in San Francisco. He also does massage out of WeHo.

There's a 14 page thread on him at [L P S G].

There's clips that posters say are of him getting pounded in other guys' OF videos (face not shown) .

He seems to have a lot of fans.

LeBlanc thought it was BYO rent boy to work day.

Excellent video of his go-go dancing skills. Shake dat ass!

Maybe he'll dance for Lauren at the par-tay.

The walk through on Y&R was probably the most dignified work he's done in five years.

Maybe he can bring some of his 203,000 TikTok followers to Y&R to boost the ratings.

Video about his twin brother...lol.

[quote]LeBlanc thought it was BYO rent boy to work day.

Bring Your Own Rent Boy to Work Day is something I can get behind!

If Chrissy were paying, the guy would be an Alpha (more along the lines of Carrigan, Paevey, Dapper, Vaughan or Palmer-Watkins).

Devon is a remarkably unlikable character. Please someone make this character a pauper. These 'business' people on the show are a joke. Abby? She is just as unbelievable.

I'm watching, too, R229 , and it's pretty fucking bad.

Dull as Devon is, he’s right about this IPO nonsense with Jill.

Jill is another one. Hairdresser to CEO, that happens all the time. Someone with Jill's high school education couldn't read a balance sheet.

It was way back in 1980 when Steve Williams suggested to Jill Foster that she use her practical skills and experience from working at Hazel's Beauty Salon and co-managing The Golden Comb with Derek Thurston that she go and apply for a job at Jabot Cosmetics. (Original John and his cosmetics company had just been introduced.)

Jill was able to convince the stuffy old fart that her prior jobs had given her a real-life insight on what women wanted when it came to their makeup and how they wanted to look. John went on to hire Jill as some kind of lower-level marketing assistant where she then gained more on-the-job experience.

Also, RealJack didn't work at the company. Jill learned that John had always hoped his playboy, tennis-bum son would clean up his act and come work at the company, so that he could assume the mantle one day. This was his dream, not Jack's. .. It was actually Jill who sought Jack out and convinced him to come work at Jabot to make his father happy. At the start, Jack only agreed to do this, because he thought he could start something up with Jill, and of course, there were also the bevy of models the company hired. .. Jill took her work at Jabot seriously, while Jack was just there for fun and games.

Soaps went to business stories to compete with Dallas and Dynasty, but they never came back.

Spaulding and Lewis business stories could make me stop watching GL for weeks back in the '80s and '90s. I didn't really give a fuck who owned more shares in either company.

They never knew how to tell business stories well, either, because none of the writers knew a damn thing about how business runs. Poor old Jabot got taken over so many times it was the Brooke Logan of corporations. Look at Succession. Business stories can be exciting dramas, but not on soaps. Granted, it's B team talent so it's unfair to expect much of them.

Bill Bell relied on business stories more than any other HW.

Bell could write some excellent business stories, as well as some clunkers. But when the were good, they could be great. Some the Newman and Jabot stories could be quite compelling. Others left me rolling my eyes.

Conversely, Agnes Nixon couldn't do business stories. All of the business stories on AMC between Courtlandt Electronics and Chandler Enterprises were ridiculous.

I would suggest a business storyline where we see FenMo begin a relationship with Lauren's assistant, Trey,

But after Fen & Trey have been fucking for awhile, Fen learns that Trey has been forging department store purchase orders for men's high-end, designer underwear and jockstraps. .. Apparently, Trey has two muscle studs on Fenmore's loading dock who intercept these shipments. These are then funneled to Trey's network of international Instahos who sell the purloined undergear on the black market at deeply-discounted prices.

FenMo is then left with the dilemma as to whether to tell Lauren what he's discovered about Trey's illegal operations or just try to ignore it because he's fallen for bad boy Trey. .. As we know, Fen himself is no saint, and going on all-expense paid holidays with Trey to places like Fire Island, Provincetown, South Beach, Tel Aviv, Mykonos, Ibiza, Rio, etc. etc. etc. where all of Trey's sales operatives are located has been quite a bit of fun!

Some of the 80s/early 90s business stories were compelling or captivating. The original Jack vs Victor Jabot vs Newman was exciting. It's just lost its flavor the other 893,567,109 times Y&R did that story over and over.

Phillip taking over Spaulding to punish Alan was glorious. But GL also did the "control of the company" so many times. When teen mom/cop Harley became CEO, no one believed it or cared.

By then most shows were locked into what they're locked into now....pulling logs off the wall to burn them for a brief boost, not paying any mind to the house crumbling around them.

Brooke's takeover of Forrester was brilliant; she'd been dumped by Ridge; ERic wasn't an option; Stephanie was threatening her.

Taking the company was sweet justice.

GL had Kyle take over Lewis Oil so Billy bet the whole company on one oil well coming through, which it failed to do by minutes....

At a big blowout, Reva, whom Billy banned from the company because he thought she'd eff it up, proclaimed, "I wouldn't have bet the entire company on one cockamamie oil well!"

[quote]Some of the 80s/early 90s business stories were compelling or captivating. The original Jack vs Victor Jabot vs Newman was exciting. It's just lost its flavor the other 893,567,109 times Y&R did that story over and over.

This. Once Bill got the dementia and the writing passed to a series of talents in descent, yeah, been there too many times.

SPOILER ... well, not really since it seemed obvious just from the preview ....

Just watched the Canadian day-ahead, and yes indeed, Trey is FenMo's BOYFRIEND. (Trey refers to Fen as "the man I love".)

Trey is a buyer at Fenmore's in Nashville. Michael and Lauren know about their son's relationship, but have never met Trey.

Trey considers Lauren an "icon," and is hoping to hear her more about her life. This is the jumping off point for Lauren to recount her character's last 40 years in Genoa City.

FenMo gets to live his gay life offscreen. This show sucks.

UGH, I can see it ALL now. "Ohmygawd, you are such an ICON. I just LURVE everything you do. Tell me EVERYTHING" while tripping over purses the entire time.

She’s basically transformed her face but Tracey really does look great.

Bregman does look great. This episode, despite the shoddy narrative, is really fun, watching the flashbacks. I started watching Y&R because of Lauren being buried alive (I loved that over the top soap shit) and stayed through the Sheila years. It sucks to be reminded how compelling it was, and how lame and boring it has become.

Sheila made me go away from the show for years.

[quote] Bregman does look great.

Just don't touch. Something might crack.

Exactly!

I had forgotten what a chipmunk face Lauren used to have

[quote] I had forgotten what a chipmunk face Lauren used to have.

Those HUGE front teeth!

[quote] She’s basically transformed her face but Tracey really does look great.

Her face isn't the only thing she transformed. I think she went from a B to an F-cup.

I recall when she played Don Craig's teenage daughter, Donna, on Days in the late 70s.

***SPOILER***

I loved her as the killer in Happy Birthday To Me

Tracey as Donna Temple Craig on Days of Our Lives, circa 1979, when she was 16.

Unlike Dee, Tracey wore the ribbon.

[quote]Unlike Dee, Tracey wore the ribbon.

Pod people.

Dee's old snatch can play my grandmother!

It must have been strange for Donna Temple Craig to have a step-mother who was younger than her.

No wonder she was a troubled teen!

Oh goodie! .. Another sex scene between Aunt Jack and Dianejenkins. .. Gag.

I was hoping to see Fen & Trey make use of a bathroom stall at The Glam Club.

R242 R243 Did Fen ever come out onscreen, or did they are least drop hints that he may be at the very least bisexual? I don't watch everyday however I don't recall anything in reference to him being gay, not even a mention. I like it except I feel we got cheated out of a good coming out story.

Fen didn’t come out onscreen. The actor actually only appeared in a handful of episodes back when they brought him on.

R262 I didn't think so lol even though I sometimes take breaks from Y&R, I follow along with the storylines and I would've remembered him having a coming out story. If I'm not mistaken I think he was involved with Tessa's younger sister during his last brief stint, or they were hinting at a possible interest between them?

I liked this episode mostly to see the clip of when Y&R was actually good

[quote] I like it except I feel we got cheated out of a good coming out story.

A coming out story for FenMo would be quite boring, since NO ONE in The Baldwin-Fisher family would care.

I don't see any "story" beyond a 15 second scene:

MICHAEL >> That's my boy!!

LAUREN >> So Fen, exactly how many of my hot male buyers have you been fucking? .. Did you ever get with Landon in Chicago?

GLORIA >> Well, with a name like "Fenmore," it always seemed like Divine Providence! .. Plus, John would have wanted it that way.

CHLOE >> Seriously, Gloria! .. That's why Kevin and I named our son "Miles."

KEVIN >> If not me, then at least we're keeping it in the family! .. Are they serving munchies at this shindig?

We need more JaBottom

[quote] We need more JaBottom .. face down, ass up.

FIXED.

R265 You have a point 😆 except I think it could've made it interesting by having Fen struggling to accept his sexuality, not necessarily his family or friends having difficulty with it. When Fen was his a teenager he seemed somewhat moody and at times withdrawn so they could've drawn from that, by having him explain how he always felt that he could be gay however he was repressing his feelings for other guys.

JaBottom and Fen should end up together

Lachlan Buchanan brought Kyle the gay. He was the real JaBottom.

Meant to say "when Fen was a teenager" lol I wonder if they made the decision based on him playing Sonny on DOOL...it would be nice to see Fen and Trey regularly however Y&R has downplayed male on male relationships (like Adam's bisexuality or gay-for-pay situation) in favor of lesbians like Mariah and Tessa. Fen and Trey's smush name could be Frey or Ten lol

I bet Lachlan has a pretty hole.

And daddy JT should have opened Kyle's hole up and slammed it deep.

There's another gay man in Genoa City? FINALLY!

Maybe I should drop by to see Chance and scope out the scene.

R272 JT Hellstrom?

Are there other JTs in Genoa City?

R275 I'm not sure that's why I'm asking. There was another John besides John Abbott, who were actually both onscreen at the same time, so just wanted to be sure.

JT = Jeffrey Todd Helstrom

[quote] Lachlan Buchanan brought Kyle the gay. He was the real JaBottom.

Rather funny, though, that while Lachlan is openly gay, his Kyle didn't scream gay like JaBottom.

[quote]Rather funny, though, that while Lachlan is openly gay, his Kyle didn't scream gay like JaBottom.

I completely agree.

Something about Michael Mealor’s mouth just screams that he gives good head (to men).

More shirtless JaBottom! More shirtless JaBottom!

He sucks good and swallows too!

Ahem....so I hear.

Now that Summer is being played by an out actress, they should refashion Kyle's relationship with his wife and reveal it to be an open, double-lavender marriage with a simple don't-ask-don't-tell policy.

Do Hans and JaBottom get along behind the scenes?

Since JaBottom isn't one of The Newmans, he'd probably have to be there at least 10 years, before Hans didn't think he was some new hire whose name he should try to remember.

When Aunt Jack and Hans' old bratwurst finally die off, I think the future of Y&R is JaBottom and Adam

Does anybody actually like Nikki? Does she have any positive qualities?

The previous Kyle, Lachlan Buichanan, once mentioned this about Hans in an interview:

[quote] I mean, Eric Braeden [Victor Newman] has been on the show for years, and he sometimes still stops and goes, "I forget, whose son are you again?" And I said, "Jack Abbott," and he goes, "Ah, right, right."

Have Victor and Esther ever fucked?

Nikki's most positive quality is that she can multi-task.

I once came home early from work and found her entertaining three guys at the same time.

One of the all time greatest scenes in Y&R history is when Diane beat the crap out of Nikki in the Jabot boardroom.

R291 I agree. And Diane banging Nikki's head on the table is priceless. ONE, TWO, THREE times.

That was the best Diane - the OG!

The Cast Photo for the 50th Anniversary

Not the same without Granny Cooper

r292 Why can't Diane smash Phyllis' head on a table? Or a rock? Or drown her in a lake? Or sic a pit bull on her?

Yes, r296! We haven't had a good, no holds barred catfight in ages! They probably can't afford to break any props these days.

[quote] They probably can't afford to break any props these days.

Or risk any of these women breaking a bone due to osteoporosis.

I'm still dead bitches!

^ that one always makes me laugh.

Seems like former stipper Nicki would know how to beat a bitch if she had to.

I get that Phyllis is terrible, but Diane is equally awful if not more so. Seeing her and Aunt Jack cuddled up in bed together makes me want to claw my eyes out.

I've never seen "bad" Diane, and the actress is appealing in a way Phyllis/Michelle has never been. I really want someone to murder Phyllis. Or for her to be falsely accused of murdering someone and get the death penalty. I give her the finger when her slide comes up in the opening credits.

It's funny to think that this thing between Jack and Diane has been going on now for over 40 years (1982). Original recipe Diane was the Jabot model that RealJack slept with from his bachelor party the night before he was to marry Patty Williams. Ashley found them in bed the next morning, and she and Diane had to drag his furry butt butt into the shower to try to sober him up before the ceremony.

R302, keep that finger happy. She's also the 'headless slut' who saunters down the hallway at the end of the credits.

Ironic -- she was there the whole time Gina played Phyllis.

Lanier was smart to casually come out like that.

If they can her, the press will be horrible.

But in the new cast photo she's up in the upper right corner by herself; they could crop her out and no one would notice.

It's hard to believe, that with a cast that size, how very little happens on this show. I'm sure Y&R is still pulling most of their numbers from the nursing home crowd. I wonder how many code blues were charted when Fen came out on Wednesday?

Hunter King will be back, it is inevitable. The nuSummer is too nice, she lacks the snootiness Summer inherited from Granny Nikki. Speaking of which, since Summer claims Weird Science Harrison as her 'son' - does Nikki see him as her great grandchild?

Was Nikki created to be a snob? Or is it a result of acting choices by MTS?

You're assuming MTS can act, R308 .

I never thought MTS could act, r309. But her character is also so damn unlikeable.

They don't call her Melody Thomas Snott for nothing.

I really like Lanier in the role. I just wish they’d give her something to do. I always felt Hunter was overrated as an actress.

I like NuSummer much better. Hunter always came off as trashy no matter how they styled her. The whole thing with Summer calling the Child of the Corn her "son" is a little odd. It's like the writers want us to forget that Tara even existed.

Hunter does have TPF (Trailer Park Face).

Hunter was quite good when she debuted in 2012. Really outstanding in that storyline about bullying Jamie (?). That was one of the best teen storylines I’ve ever seen.

Was Josh Griffin HW for that?

We see little to no aspects of anyone's internal life, or any yearnings they might have. They're just plastic dolls that are wound up to smash into one another.

R307, all future grand, great and great-great-grandchildren of Nikki and Victor's will refer to them not as granny, poppa, nan, or anything other than:

"Victor" and "Nikki"

[quote] Hunter does have TPF (Trailer Park Face).

Lanier is a natural beauty.

Hunterr is already starting to look like her mother.

Michelle's daughter on GH was played by an actress named Chloe Lanier, and now her daughter on Y&R is being played by another Lanier lol at first I thought they were related

Noah calls Victor and Nikki "Grandpa" and "Grandma" all the time. And when Twink Reed and Faith were around, they did too.

R315 Yes Josh Griffith was the hw when Hunter King first began. This was around the time they were shifting to him from Maria Arena Bell, Scott Hammer & Hogan Sheffer.

R320 Do you remember when Nikki first became a grandmother and she wanted to be known as Nana? I guess the writers after that forgot to stay with it, unless they intentionally omitted it lol

[quote] I always felt Hunter was overrated as an actress.

Hunter was okay, but after she booked that CBS prime time gig (Life In Pieces), McDaniel considered saw her as a *star." .. McDaniel was always trying to get actors from prime time cast on the soap, so she made sure Y&R did everything they could to accommodate HK doing both shows. As I recall, Mal Young had enough of that and eventually put a casting call out for a NuSummer, but McDaniel didn't want anyone else, and they ended up delaying story and leaving the role open until HK's prime time show went on hiatus at the end of the season. Once that happened, they played Summer almost every single day for a month or more since she was only going to be available for a short time. After the prime time show got canceled, she came back to Y&R full time. Lucky us.

[quote] Yes Josh Griffith was the hw when Hunter King first began.

Right, and when JFP and Griffith came in (2012), they brought three of their actors over from the Nickelodeon telenovela, Hollywood Heights, that they'd just done for Sony. Hunter King and Melissa Boredway, as well as Robert Adamson to play Straight Noah, since MAB's planned gay storyline with Kevin Schmidt in the role needed to be completely erased.

Somehow, "Grandma" and "Grandpa" just don't seem fitting for Eric Braeden and MTS. "Grandfather" and "Grandmother" seem more appropriate.

Oma and Opa!

R324 Yes lol I was going to mention Jill being instrumental in bringing Hunter in from Hollywood Heights along with them except I didn't want to go on and on lol thanks

It would make sense if the grand kids called them The Old Goat and Miss Piggy.

I've met Jill and it's not that she's not nice or pleasant but I've never remotely liked any show she's ever producer.

SB -- wasn't a fan. It was soo much. I did like the shows last year with Rauch and Pam Long at the helm. I know that's verboten to say to true SB fans.

GL - started out okay but once she lost Kimberly and Beverlee (!!!) and Sherry and then chose to kill off Maureen, GL felt less like home. Bringing on Tangie and a host of other ex-SB actors was a big mistake.

AW - Frankie Frame. AW was not ER.

OLTL. I don't even remember it.

GH. All mobsters all the time. Frank saved that show from cancellation.

Y&R. She didn't know the history of the show. Brought Steve on and gave him too prominent a role. Painted Chancellor mansion gray.

There's nowhere for her to go except DAYS. If she goes there, she'll do her usual stuff. Big story for a few vets, bringing on some pals from other shows. Some critical acclaim but she robs shows of their identities.

What's next for Hans' old sausage?

Braden is still recovering from knee replacement surgery.

JaBottom is the future of Y&R!

R329 good summary.

She blandifies everything she touches into a somewhat dark, noirish bad B movie.

I loved the mob aspect on GH but I know I’m in the minority. But decisions like killing off Alan Quartermaine was unforgivable.

Stuart went on to do guest spots, short runs on OLTL, DAYS (I think) and ATWT.

There's no reason he couldn't have been relegated to sitting behind Steve Hardy's old desk admonishing interns and do the Christmas prayer at the holidays for the sick kids.

They simply don't understand the value these type of characters have to fans.

One thing Phelps wasn't was boring (until her Y&R stint, which I guess was because of SONY). I'm in no way an apologist, but we're still talking about the deaths of Frankie Frame and Maureen Bauer 24 and 30 years later, respectively. Her sweeps stunts were always well executed.

DAYS doesn't need her and couldn't afford her, or her vision.

I didn't watch the entire episode. Did they show the scene where Lauren FINALLY apologizes to Tracey for all of her bullshit? It was about 7 or 8 years ago? I hadn't watched the show in forever but put it on one morning and it was THAT scene. It was touching.

OR was that a dream?

[quote] Her sweeps stunts were always well executed.

Uh, ripping apart a show or murdering a much loved character isn't "well executed" story.

"Well executed" might mean compelling story or heightened production values.

But being a "well executed" cunt comes naturally to you, R338.

R339 Aw, its widdle feewings got hurt.

Well sure. Stupid cunts always hurt people's feeling. That's why you do it.

Anyway, back to ME!

Brendad, stop fiddling with your vajeen.

I indented home fryes but the Bowel Hollywould mafedora stole my padded.

R336, people are still talking about the Titanic, too.

That was my point too, R345, but our girl at R336 is a sensitive soul. Telling her the truth might hurt her feelings.

Phelps was a short term fix. She ultimately ruined every show she touched. That was a weird thing about daytime. They kept recycling everybody. No matter how shit you were. You just had to get in. The longest she helmed a show was four years, the shortest a year (maybe less.) In fairness to her, those tenures are fairly consistent with most EPs. But I'd argue few left a show as consistently despised by fans as Phelps did or accused of such widespread vandalism to the fabric of the thing.

JFP was at GH for a decade, r347.

We have a JFP Lover Troll amongst us.

Must be the same sad, fat queen who was in The Locher Room the other day, making a fool of herself as everyone else watched the Maureen Bauer's death episodes.

JFP's Cult Baby Retcon on Y&R -- which simply could not have happened based on what we saw -- just to shoehorn her boy, Steve Burton, into the canvas was just plain bad. .. I guess she thought by attaching "Dylan" to longtime vets, Nikki and Paul, viewers would be interested in the character, and this would provide Burton with some long-term job security being connected to them. .. Yet, how funny that after she was canned, he was one of the first to go.

r349, I think his name there was Soapsuds12. He was losing his shit at Donna Shallotpeel, who also can't walk away from a fight. And yes, it was over Jilly. Donna was a great fan of the Midwestern Marvels. We used to fight constantly over whether Jake could actually have raped Marley.

R337 of course not but one of the soap sites asked her about it.

R351 yes, he or she is one of the people our resident loon raves on about.

Oy vey. They're both looney tooney babooneys.

R352 Thanks for finding that.

Now WHY the fuck wouldn't they include that in the Lauren retrospective? It was really touching. I forgot about the Danny shot as the scene faded. I guess it wasn't as monumental as I thought but that was a HUGE oversight considering the amount of "I'm no longer the CUNT I used to be" they were pouring on.

R354 thanks...honestly, I'm amazed that they included as much as they did.

When Bill Bell ran Y&R employees stayed for a long, long time...often until they retired. Network execs and Sony execs were kind enough and SMART enough to leave the man alone and let him crank out the No. 1 show on daytime.

After Bill stepped down, CBS and Sony started putting their fingerprints all over the show. An ex-ABC exec came in and got the idea to do away with Bill's team that was left in place after he stepped down.

So...whoever put that decent tribute to Tracey/Lauren together probably never saw that scene or didn't think it was important because they never watched the show back then or back in the heyday.

The soap sites have people writing for them who really know the shows.

that's actress Lee Bryant; she subbed for Anne Sward as Lyla on ATWT and I believe later was cast as Linc's mom.

Jimmy Wleck once had the hottest pecs in daytime.

What annoys me about some daytime fans is the selective hating on certain behind the scenes people. If it's someone you like, when they screw up a show it is always someone else's fault why the show is a mess. And when it's someone they hate, it's always that person who is responsible for everything.

Like all soap execs, Jill has had some hits and she's had some misses. She's made mistakes, but it's hard not to make mistakes when you're running a soap opera. You can't possibly get it right every day. Except for comic books, it's the one form where the fans tend to know more than just about everyone else.

The thing most people don't know about Jill is that when she is brought on to a show, she is brought on for a specific reason. Usually, to do something that either the network or the production company wants done. And to her credit she does it. She's a company girl. And she's secure enough to take the hit for unpopular choices, that may or may not be her own.

The woman also has people she likes to work with. That is no crime in the entertainment industry, and they all do it. Jill may be a little more in your face about it, but they all do it.

I recently saw someone post that JFP hates Genie Francis. The truth is everybody hates Genie Francis.

Don't get me wrong, there are some genuine hacks in daytime. People who should not be allowed anywhere near these shows, that's not Jill.

Hi Jill!!!

I think spoilers ruined the soaps. There was just so much more excitement when you had no idea what certain characters were going to do. You had to tune in to find out.

r359

I vividly remember going to get the new SOD on a Wednesday(you used to be able to buy the new SOD on Wednesdays, now it's Thursday) and seeing Marlena on the cover as the Salem Slasher WTF

In 2004, the web was alive and well and there were still a few other magazines -- Weekly, In Depth...that might have been it, actually. and even tho SOD and Weekly were the same company and In Depth didn't really cover DAYS at that point, Digest HAD to spoil the ending.

The issue came out like 12 days before the reveal, I recall.

R357, Jill got hired at Y&R b/c an old pal of hers from Santa Barbara is a mucky muck at Sony and didn't like Maria, who was not the best person in charge.

ANYONE can come into a show and clean house, cut the budget, fix the mess that was left behind -- but the real question is what's the show going to look like in six months?

Jill did not know the history of Y&R and it showed; there's no way that Nikki and Paul could have had a baby but Steve B had to be shoehorned into the show no matter what. After Jeanne died and Katherine's death was written into the show, we should have gotten Kay's heirs in that mansion; have Jill move in. Keep Esther. Keep the place ALIVE. Have Mac and Devon compete for some kind of running of Chancellor position or whoever delivers an heir...whatever....SOMETHING.

You are correct in that the name of the other person who hires friends is EVERYONE. That's true in show biz. But when you're entrusted to continue the legacy of a show, you should try to continue it -- not just hire your pals and leave it a mess.

And not everyone hates Genie. Frank doesn't. Genie seems really happy at GH now. She said as much at a recent press conference for mainstream media.

Oh, and to Jill's credit, I don't think she hates Genie. I heard she recommended Genie enter Supporting Actress back in 2007 so that she'd win -- which she did.

Plus, let's face it, Jill did GH and the fans and Genie a favor by letting her go at Y&R. It brought her back to Port Charles -- where she belongs.

I liked JFP better than MAB

Maria was her own best character.

She couldn't see the Forrest for the trees.

What every regime is guilty of, those who have a basic understanding of the show, is that they ignore what came before them if they didn't see it or like it. Maria wrote that Phillip faked his death to go live the gay life in Australia.

Okay, here's what that didn't work. Phillip gave up Cricket and wed Nina, the mother of his child, because he had no father. Cricket, who grew up without a dad herself, was on board. Why would Phillip walk out on Nina? There was no hint that he was gay. And he didn't come back when Nina was on trial for shooting David?

God bless him, the actor who played Phillip couldn't act. He couldn't articulate. He couldn't make a choice, deliver, and be believable.

Bill killed him off for a reason.

[quote]Jill did not know the history of Y&R and it showed

Most of them don't. You are not going to find anyone working in daytime who knows the history of these shows, like the fans do. The people who write and produce these shows do not have the investment in these shows that the fans do. They are just trying to produce 250 episodes a year and not make too many changes to alienate what little remaining audience they have.

And when the show brought someone back who was supposed to know the history, they were immediately let go because they couldn't sustain the ratings. Because, the Y&R that some people claim they want, is really not the Y&R they want. But we could go back and forth about that all day.

And I stand by my statement about Genie Francis.

R365, Doug Marland knew the history of shows; he had Marie Masters back for ATWT's 30th and as soon as he could he brought her back.

Nothing is stopping from hiring people who know the shows. ATWT turned into Port Charles when Herring, Damon, Shriner, Lindstrom, and Pinson and probably some others popped up in Oakdale.

I don't get this 'oh, well, they don't know the history of the shows...what can you do?'

No. That's an easy out.

You can stand by your Genie statement. Ultimately, it's an opinion. At 17, the woman was told to play a rape story as falling love with her attacker.

Genie delivers daily. You (and by 'you' I mean everyone) can't be pals with actors. Most of them don't know how.

[quote] So...whoever put that decent tribute to Tracey/Lauren together probably never saw that scene or didn't think it was important because they never watched the show back then or back in the heyday.

Both the scriptwriter (Janice Ferri) and breakdown writer (Natalie Minardi) for the special Lauren retrospective episode are long-time vets who have been with Y&R since the late-80s, early-90s, so they should know quite a lot about Lauren's history. .. Also, the current Associate Head Writer, Amanda Beall was hired by MAB in 2008 with Beall's first scripts airing just a month before Lauren's apology to Traci occurred. So she, too, was there for that. .. I'd guess that what flashbacks were and weren't included probably had more to do with the limited amount of time they have for just one episode more than anything. .. As the episode began to wind down, it looked like they wanted to focus on how "mean girl Lauren" became "new and improved Lauren" because of the the (so-called) love-of-her-life, Michael LaBaldwin. - jmho

What was the reason for the acrimony between Genie Francis and Anthony Geary? Was it one sided?

R367, good researcher; Amanda and Natali are great, God Bless that they're still there.

But honestly, all the more reason for that scene to be included.

R361 I do agree with your post in principle.....

I think the Nikki/Paul thing was a far more believable retcon that had at least the seeds of history in it (the cult thing) and didn't require the heavy lifting of many other retcons (including the convoluted Jill/Kay related mess).

Steve Burton at least looked *somewhat* like their child. And certainly Steve had the lack of acting ability of both Mel and Dougie. LOL

The sad thing about Steve is that he can actually act - he’s just lazy.

Steve is turning himself into a tatted-up muscle queen.

Is he trying to attract eldergay patrons in Palm Springs?

He's just clearly indicating his mental illness.

They must be ramping up for sweeps. I noticed Nick and Victoria sitting at a table discussing Newman Ent... snnnzzzzzzzz....

Well, to spice things up, they were also talking about fan fave Sally!!! I guess we can also look forward to more sizzling bed scenes with Aunt Jack and Diane to really spike the ratings during sweeps. Yay...

February Sweeps Preview

WHO FARTED? Someone rips ass in Society.....at first it's thought to be Victor as it reeks of boiled cabbage and death but soon Nikki, Phyllis and Aunt Jack are implicated in the whodunit.

CHANCE suffers a great tragedy when his barber quits to join a nudist commune in Palm Springs. His once coiffed mop of curls begins to look like a used Brillo pad.

BILLY and LILY's scenes are now shown in black and white....since they drain any vibrancy out of any scene they are in....

r376 I just hope it wasn't Tracy who farted.

Spoiler alert: it was JaBottom after Fen dumped a few loads in his blown out hole.

r378 JaBottom looks like he would have a stinky fart

Thank u to r376-378, I needed the laughs, keep em coming...

Why don't her kids get together and buy Phyllis a dog? or an Asian baby?

The MESSA adoption "story" is the lamest thing I've seen on soaps in a long time. In every step of the process we've heard about them going somewhere (to the agency, some counselor, meeting the birth mother, etc.) -- UNSEEN -- then the two of the come back to Crimson Lights to report to some third party what happened. These type of stories are rarely interesting, but this one is deadly dull, worse than reading a magazine article on the subject.

And since the process has been so lengthy for them, I don't even understand why they opted to adopt in the first place. They're both healthy, young females. The cost of buying a semen at sperm bank is probably less than their round-trip flights to Portland. And isn't Mariah still some kind of unseen executive at JaBooty? Proceduers like AI and IVF are probably covered in their health plan.

Mariah is supposedly the director of marketing for Jabot, but hasn't spent a single minute in the office.

Why does JaBottom always have his clothes on around the office?

I'm waiting for the adoption to fall through, and the girls ask Noah for a little sperm.

One of the most significant stories in the history of this show was about the stolen sperm of Victor Newman, but this is neither mentioned nor revisited by this boring ass regime. I hope Tessa dies in childbirth after being impregnated by a willing Jabottom, and that Mariah chokes to death eating the placenta in one of her Wiccan rituals.

If Kay Alden were still writing, we would have a story involving something to do with Victor's ancient testicle sac every other year.

Can't believe they still write Y&R so that every woman must want Hans' old bratwurst.

His nasty, wrinkled, overcooked old weisswurst.

Totally believable!

The only sperm they'll get is from me! You got that, punk?

Well at least we know Nikki's wrinkled old cooch is long past its sell by date.

Hans!

R392 so THATs the smell

I hope that one day CBS will release the outtakes of MTS' Spanx snapping off mid-scene.

Speaking of outakes, this one where Morrow can't keep it together when Nick finds out Nikki is fucking Arturo still cracks me up.

Your mama is having big Cuban chorizo for lunch.

Imagine how upset Hans would be if the writers decided to pair him with Traci.

Kate Linder thinks she still has a shot at an Esther-Victor pairing.

Granny Cooper said Kate Linder proposed a story years ago that Katherine die and leave all her money to Esther making her the new grand dame of Genoa City. Cooper was furious. Kate says it never happened.

r398 I think Esther would enjoy a taste of Hans' dry shriveled up old weisswurst,

[quote]Imagine how upset Hans would be if the writers decided to pair him with Traci.

Beast Master Daniel Goddard opted to be written out rather than be paired with Traci.

[quote]Imagine how upset Hans would be if the writers decided to pair him with Traci.

Don't forget, Victor wouldn't be alive if it weren't for Traci.

Victor has Coleen's heart.

Nobody would want Traci's artery clogged heart.

Per Hans' contract, Victor is only paired with the sexiest women in the cast.

then why is he still stuck with Mel? Surely a Victor/Lily, or Victor/Mariah pairing makes more sense..

These days Victor enjoys blow jobs from the twinks in the Newman Enterprises mail room. .. He's old school, believing oral sex isn't really sex. .. And these opportunistic young men are willing to swallow anything to get ahead.

Uh, Mariah is a LESBIAN!!!

How about a Victor/Tessa/Mariah throuple? One taste of the weisswurst, and the girls no longer want clam.

True Mel. That's why they gave Victor a break and paired him with me for awhile

Jeanne's book really put Kate Linder out to dry. I'm surprised she wasn't fired

My guess is they retain Linder with that most minimal contract to ever exist, because she knows where all the bodies are buried and could probably pen a pretty good tell-all.

R396 😆 😆 wonder what he was thinking. You can also hear crew guys laughing too lol so they were probably all thinking the same thing, like she was trying to hard to be sexy or something 😆 Arturo had Nikki, Mia, and Abby all interested so he must've been holding something lol that scene where Abby trashed his car after finding out he was cheating on her was hilarious lol

R399, I don't see Kate being dumb enough to pitch story to Bill Bell.

That was the fastest way to get shuttered to the backburner.

It MIGHT have been one of those soap mag round up q's what would you like to see happen to your character?

Speaking of Esther, who is Chloe's father? Certainly not poor Miguel.

R414 Esther had a one night stand with a big guy named "Tiny." From what I remember, we never heard Tiny's last name, so he's usually referred to as "Tiny the Plumber." After Esther had the baby, I believe Kay called the plumbing company up under the pretense that the toilets at the Mausoleum were stopped up, so Tiny came out to the Chancellor Estate. When he found out that Esther and the baby, he took off. Esther's entire pregnancy was pretty much written as a 'humorous' interlude.

And even though Tiny was in hardly any episodes, the character was played by two different actors: No.1 was Joe Petracek. No. 2 was Terence Tierney.

R413 Jeanne suspected Ed Scott started the rumor. There was NO love lost between Jeanne and Ed.

It's a shame Kate Linder can't include yesterday's dramatic scenes on her 2022 Daytime Emmy reel; so it's going to be important to keep them in mind for next year.

I mean, look at that move. .. No one in Daytime can lean-in like Linder! .. I'm guessing her decades as an airline stewardess looking down aisles during severe turbulence is why she's so good!

R417 😆

Is Esther cleaning the Chancellor-Winters offices now?

I'd take a shot every time Lily says "Jill wants the IPO" but I'd be wasted by the second commercial break.

R419 A few months ago DuhVon offered Esther a job at Chancellor-Winters as the company's receptionist.

I guess this gives Linder something to do since it appears they've shuttered the Mausoleum set, so there's nothing to dust and no doors to answer. .. The last time we saw Abby and Chance at the Chancellor Estate, they were in some new, much smaller sitting room there. The couple was breaking up, and I don't think we've seen that room since.

During the pandemic, HGTV had a show called House Hunters: Comedians on Couches, where a rotating panel roasted the participants during a rebroadcast of HH. It was hilarious.

It's (past) time for the same to be done for Y&R (and the rest). And yes, I would pay for that.

R421 Kind of sounds like Gogglebox, a UK reality show that's been on air since 2013.

Wow. This show gets worse every day. And I only saw to the first commercial.

I'm a lifelong soap fan but honestly, the last 4 need to go and go now. They're all limping to the finish line. Nothing of interest in any of them, sadly.

Hey Billy! Did you really tip our waitress a whole $15?

Hey Chelsea! Did you really use coming in of for a "cup of tea" as a euphemism for let's fuck?

Hey Victoria! Is Victor down with your lust of the brown?

Irrepressible Chrissy just called Mark Grossman a stud... lol

Okay .. Wednesday's somewhat surprising scene with Chance & Daniel .. that could actually work!

And during their post-sex "pillow talk" -- specifically a bareback flip-fuck -- Chance finally reveals what really happened between him and Adam in Vegas. .. This leads Daniel to confess that part of his distancing from Heather in Savannah included some wild downlow action, but he adds, "This feels right." .. Chance agrees, and they head off to the shower for Round 2.

r427, that was the hottest couple intro in years. Mi piacciono molto Chancelotti.

Chance and Daniel conversing about coding had to have been the single worst scene in the history of Y & R. The only thing missing was Billy popping by to ask them to do a podcast about it.

R428 "Chancelotti" ... I love that!

I laughed that the Newman Media hallway was bigger than the Abbott living room. Victor's place was looking a little tight, too.

That Chance actor is FUCKING HOT. He's got good hair too. Spectra scenes are a whuppin to watch. Victoria and Nate? Kinda interesting. I find the Daniel actor hotter now than he was 20 years ago. Isn't there a 6-year age difference b/t him and Stafford?

14 years difference IRL. Or 25 in soap years.

Missy Egan's Chinatown wig has me worried. Couldn't Amelia sweep up a bucket of her horsehair clippings for her?

Maybe Chelsea and Billy should shave their heads and start chanting.

Melissa and Jason are two of the nicer people in soaps -- but they need to leave Y&R.

Jason should check back into GH -- stat!

Missy? She can bring Annie Lavery to Port Charles or land a sitcom (she'd be great.)

the writing on Y&R is HORRIBLE.

Who's the benefactor of Y&R getting cancelled, CBS or SONY? Obviously, someone is paying Griffith to try to tank the ratings with the garbage he's (still) writing. Jabottom just spilled the beans on a storyline that normally would play out for months, with dividends. I'm hanging in just to see if Victoria and Nate actually fuck.

R437

What did he say?

The dark haired Latino lady is going to be murdered. Tucker, Nate, Noah as suspects? Is that what is going to play out?

JaBottom doesn't want Adam at Jabot, because he keeps getting a boner every time he sees Adam strolling the halls. He's afraid Summer will notice him getting all hot and bothered, and doing that twitching thing with his ass..

The dark haired Latino lady wouldn't get murdered if she hadn't gone to the Michelle Stafford school of shrieking her lines.

Can they fin the dark-haired latino lady a neck first?

Audra no leavey. Genoa salami on menu.

With the lack of sets on this show now, any murder trial would have to take place inside Crimson Lights.

They'd have some underfive judge (*) sit on a stool behind the front counter of the coffeehouse while the jury occupied the booths against the wall. Witnesses would wait on the outdoor patio until motioned inside by the silent twink barista who would be pulling double-duty that day as the courtroom bailiff. These people would be sworn in by owner-manager, Sharon, using the daily specials menu. So too, this is when we'd learn that Esther Valentine also works as a part-time courtroom reporter now, thereby giving Kate Linder her one episode every 13-weeks per her contract requirement.

(*) The actor playing the judge would be a well-known soap opera veteran, so that all of the soap websites could turn it into a BIG casting announcement, despite the fact that it's only a two episode gig.

How did Bold and Beautiful rate an entire new set for the judge's chambers?

R441 "I'M MRS. DANNY ROMALOTTI; THE MOTHER OF DANNY ROMALOTTI JR. I AM DANNY'S WIFE. I AM DANIELS' MOTHER."

r444, a few weeks ago, Digest gave TWO pages to Rodney Van Johnson, who played Sheila's lawyer.

He had no name. And his story in the magazine ran AFTER he was done airing.

The soap mags -- and I'm not saying this was a good thing -- had info in it about the show before they even aired. Now, things tend to run after an episode airs.

Stafford doesn't have scene partners, she has scene competitors. Graziadei did an excellent job of subverting her, and controlling the scene of him firing her.

So Phyllis has officially been fired by BOTH of her children? HA

What was up with Jack's overly dramatic, yet soap opera worthy, slowly standing up as Adam was about to announce leaving Jabot? Again.

How many times has Jack threatened to evict his 65-year-old sister from the family home?

The HR departments in Genoa City must be sick of all the FUCKING paperwork with these people.

LOL at Aunt Jack in a veritable swivet over Jabottom COLLUDING with Victor. It was a master class in bad acting.

Please tell me that Nate is playing Victoria. He can't really be into the human overbite. Hoping that Elena catches wind of the kiss and decides to mow down Bland-toria in the Newman Enterprises parking garage. We need something to spice up this snooze-fest.

Oh, and what genius decided that it would be perfectly normal for people to hang out in a park to talk over life issues in the middle of winter in Wisconsin?

I was the best Adam

Valentine's Day:

[quote] Nikki and Victor reminisce about their epic love story.

blech.

According to the TV Guide, it looks like they're pre-empting Tuesday and Wednesday's episodes on the West Coast for soccer .. lol!

If true, Fraus are gonna have a melt down that CBS prefers European football over Y&R.

[quote] According to the TV Guide, it looks like they're pre-empting Tuesday and Wednesday's episodes on the West Coast for soccer .. lol! If true, Fraus are gonna have a melt down that CBS prefers European football over Y&R.

They preempted B&B and Y&R for soccer several times last year as well. Probably 10-12 episodes in total over a course of 3 months.

You're also a pedophile, r451

Didn’t JaBottom come onto the show colluding with Victor against Jack? I seem to remember everyone gathered to watch a documentary on Dina’s life that revealed some Abbott family secrets thanks to info given to Victor from Kyle.

R454 who did he have sex with?

I believe MM tweeted that not all men with mustaches are child abusers but all child abusers have mustaches.

Mustaches...as in 'the mustache.'

I think that played a role in his getting canned.

Y&R's a mess; the writing is terrible.

R455 Yes, JaBottom had been in contact with Victor, but whatever that collusion was about turned out to be a red herring in relation to the scandal that went down when the the film about Dina's life story was shown. The big scandal that got played in the movie was a clip of Dina reminiscing about her whoredom and now saying that Jack wasn't John Abbott's son. Due to circumstances, it was easy to point the blame at Victor and Kyle, but both men denied that were behind editing the finished product to include that clip.

It eventually turned out that Ashley had taken Charlie's finished film and added the clip to it. This was her revenge against Jack for his having added the "Blood Abbott Clause" to Jabot's corporate charter, meaning she could never be CEO. .. This now meant that Jack couldn't be CEO either. .. In the process, Ashley also paid to have DNA tests doctored to show that Jack wasn't John's son. .. It even came out that Ashley manipulated the easily-confused Dina to have her say that.

It would have been funnier to have Ashley fake that Jack was born a girl. And fitting.

What a waste to give Dina alzheimer's instead of BPD or Schizophrenia, something that could be managed with meds. This show is in dire need of a grande dame (sorry Miss LeBlanc). I even miss Theo and his sexual cemistry with Jabottom. The other day when Elena was in her PJ's nodding off while Tessa was rambling on, I thought "I feel ya girl".

Am I not grand enough, r459?

Oh Melody, whenever you enter a scene, I can practically hear the lycra screaming.

Nikki is too snooty and self-centered to be a good grande dame.

Jabottom would be the perfect Grande Dame

I agree R459 - at the time I was hoping that Graham had been drugging Dina and that once she was off the drug her cognitive health would improve.

Bad idea not to keep her around, in my opinion.

I'm the grand dame of Genoa City

Try combing your hair first, Heinle, then we'll talk

Heinle, back off you bitch! We're the dames!

There's enough of Mariah to make two dames

No one will ever out-diva me

Nikki is still an ingénue.

I think we all know by now who the real dame of Genoa City is

Aunt Jack is the Grande Dame of Genoa City.

LaBergman only wishes he could wear some long press-on nails, so he could wave painted and bejeweled talons around like Wilma Jeanne used to.

Since when has Jack Abbott been such a wuss? Or is it just the way that PB plays him?

R473 Jack Abbott became a wuss in the first story that Bill Bell told after LaBergman took over the role. .. Talk about taking a character in a NuDirection.

Bell had Jack swoop in and marry Nikki in a quickie marriage. When Victor found out, he offered Jack Jabot in exchange for Nikki. Jack was going to take Victor up on his offer - which would have been typical Jack - but one think led to another and the deal didn't go through. Soon Nikki took her husband back (for saving Victoria's life) and Jackie began lactating over birthing babies with Nikki. When Lester had been in the role, Real Jack wanted nothing to do with babies. He ordered Jill to get an abortion, then later plotted to get a vasectomy while married to Patty in order o avoid that unwanted consequence at all cost. .. But when Aunt Jack was married to Nikki, they got pregnant twice, losing both babies. One by the horseback riding incident and the other after Nikki fell down the stairs and delivered too early. These events provided LaBergman with many weepy, sentimental scenes. They even threw in the melodramatic heart transplant arc with the last one. .. Next up, we got the eye-rolling Vietnam retcon. No one on the planet could imagine Real Jack ever going to Vietnam. He would have avoided the draft any way he could. He was a womanizing playboy and a tennis bum. But now we're to believe he was this mushy soldier boy pining over his "Mai Yun." .. To his credit even Bergman says he hated that one.

What was Terry Lester’s last story? Was it living above Gina’s and doing community service at the soup kitchen?

Nikki didn’t really fall down the stairs; she and Victor were arguing and he slammed her into the wall

R475 I believe Lester's last story (1989) was Jack's big plan to take Jabot public, with Victor learning about this from Jabot mole, David Kimble. With that inside information, Victor was able to put together a strategy to secretly buy up Jabot stock using various entities to take control of the company. .. Victor wanted to show Jack just how "Ruthless" he could be as revenge for Jack's recent scheme involving Leanna Love, where Leanna wrote the unauthorized biography about Victor. The soup kitchen story (with Ellen Winters) had been the previous year.

Bell must have been on some serious drugs when he wrote that Jack in Vietnam storyline. It was a betrayal to that character. Which shows that even the greats had missteps from time to time. And hadn't ATWT already done a similar story around the same time period?

The year the Vietnam story started was the same year that the ban on trade with Vietnam was lifted (1994) as well as a lead up to the 20th Anniversary of the Fall of Saigon that would take place in April 1975. At the time, the news media was making a really BIG deal of these things. I'm guessing Bell (and others) wanted to capitalize on these real life events. Y&R even did a big location shoot where they sent Paul and L'Bug to Vietnam to look for Luan's missing son, Keemo Volien. He was like Wild Boy and lived in the jungle .. lol. The whole thing was very odd, and especially out of synch with Jack Abbott.

I never watched AMC, but I remember my sister basically commenting, "Oh look! Aunt Cliff lives in Genoa City now!"

Ming Na-Wen played Tom Hughes daughter Lien on ATWT from 1988-91.

That story certainly had its similarities to the Y&R story on 1994-96.

Is James Hyde's arc already over? He would've been much hotter with Ashley than Tucker/TSJ, who looks perennially constipated.

Just reading the names David Kimble and Leanna Love makes me hate what this show has become even more.

It seemed like Bell was hinting at doing some kind "Southeast Asian" story when Bobby Parucha was playing Victor's brother, Matt Miller.

Matt wasn't a Vietnam vet, but we'd heard occasional references to him possibly being some kind of "soldier of fortune" who'd flown planes over in that area of the world. That's why he was able to get a job at Jabot as the company's private jet pilot.

And not long before the character was written out (1987), we saw Matt having nightmares and night sweats, as if memories of something traumatic were troubling him.

I remember surmising that Matt's plane had probably been shot down on some mission and he was either captured or was in hiding with some locals helping him. So something like that could have had the seeds of a love story as well.

Characters with a blank slate such as Matt are much better for stories like that than taking someone like Jack Abbott who'd already been a character on the show for 15 years.

What happened with the Matt Miller character?

He was just suddenly written out and barely ever mentioned ever again.

Was that all simply because Bobby Parucha wanted to leave? Or did Bill Bell tire of the character. What was the deal? Matt Miller was a character offering many possibilities and years of potential storyline.

And if Parucha wanted to leave, why didn't Bill Bell just recast the part?

R477, you have it correctly. Great memory.

Parucha from what I've read in interviews would love to come back. Braeden's always spoken kindly of him so I'm not sure why it hasn't happened.

But honestly, the writing on Y&R is god awful.

Those poor actors have to play all the job changing and company buying and podcasting and who's in love with whom means anything but nothing matters on these shows anymore. GH is good, very good, in fact, But I long for the days of Marland, Long, Lemay, and other greats.

We need a role on Y&R for Victoria Wyndham

R485, it's too bad she never did another soap.

Parucha would probably be the first to admit that he's not the greatest actor in the world, and he knew his career path lay elsewhere. As I recall, he sort of just fell into modeling when he was a grad student at UC Santa Barbara, and that led to his photos being seen, with him getting a few man-candy roles, which then led to him getting a contract as a daytime soap actor. (Sounds like Shemar Moore and a few others back then.)

He's got a fairly successful clothing company that he runs (Delta Pacific Activewear). And while his enthusiasm for Y&R remains high, I think it's more along the lines of making an occasional appearance now and again. He was very disappointed that one time when TPTB refused to work around his pre-paid vacation that he couldn't cancel and ended up recasting him with that FauxMatt actor a few years ago. Parucha said that he told Y&R that he'd gladly do anything they wanted schedule-wise to come in before or after, so that they could insert the short scenes, but he said no one from the show even called him back. At least we've seen him since then.

The audience seems to love "Matt," but honestly, it would probably be difficult for someone with Parucha's level of acting experience to keep up with today's fast-paced production model where there's basically zero-time for rehearsal and no room for flubs. - jmho

R487, that's a fair assessment but generally, I don't understand why some non-actors are held to a different standard than others.

There are SO many bad or barely passable 'actors' on soaps; they're models who hit their mark and get the lines out.

I don't want to mention names but there's one star on a soap and she's considered this great big thing but all i see is a model, who, as a I said, hits her mark, picks an intention, gets her lines out, yells a lot. And it's called acting. Fans love her.

She's a team player and makes her producer's life easy by showing up, staying late, volunteering for press....but, to me, she's like watching paint dry and her latest romantic pairing with a genuine nice guy is B O R I N G. (I'm probably giving away both actors given all these details.)

But my point is Parucha is not the only model who's been on soaps; I'm not sure why producers will say nah, pass to him coming back yet others who are just as uninspiring make millions.

r488 Very good points

The big difference is Bobby Parucha was cast on Y&R in the 1980s, long before casting models who wanted to try their hand at acting was standard practice. The 80s were still a time when your Tony Gearys, your Justin Deas, your Benjamin Hendricksons -- all strong in the acting department but weaker in the looks department -- could get cast on soaps.

Now, that's not to say some models didn't get cast on soaps in the 1980s and Y&R was likely the worst offender of the bunch. Y&R's philosophy was always let the pretty people learn how to act while on screen. But those models also showed promise as actors too. Ask Michael Damien, Todd Curtis, Thom Bierdz, Scott Reeves, etc.

But for some reason Bill Bell grew tired of the Matt Miller character and send him off. Wonder what happened.

You rang?

R488 's blind item has to be JMW from B&B.

JMW doesn't yell her lines, does she? I would have guessed Stafford.

I can't imagine Stafford showing up, staying late, volunteering for press, or being considered a model.

So the 50th anniversary will be celebrated as Genoa City's Bicentennial. Which means no original cast members will be invited back, because it will be Nikki/Victor flashbacks of 200 years of their love story and constant re-marriages. They should finally retcon the Jill is Neal Fenmore's daughter bs. Why not say she was a Foster all along, and bring Julianna McCarthy back. She's still alive at 94. She can't be much more embarrassing than Mel.

Scoche Marin remembers all 200 years.

This is Josh Griffith's show. He doesn't care what fans want.

Scoche died.

R597 I guess I missed that. When did she pass on?

She died of embarrassment some time ago

JMW is probably one of the best younger actors in daytime. I hate that she’s carved up her face but she’s talented.

Do we think they'll have Jill skype in for the bicentennial?

Do Lily and Kevin ever share scenes? I see she is super horny for Daniel's dick today, but didn't she get a raging STI from Kev way back when? She has two adult children with an ex husband, and no one ever mentions any of them.

Is the bicentennial celebration going to be held on the patio outside the coffeehouse?

In the old days, these big events would be held at the Colonnade Room or at Dame Chancellor's place. At the way the show's going, I wouldn't be surprised if it were held in the banquet room of the Genoa City Quality Inn.

It will be held at Crimson Lights, where Sharon and Sally have been screaming at each other for an hour, and you will like it.

I suspect r488's Blind Item was more hospital related than fashion industry related.

GH 60th anniversary cast photo.

Shit. Wrong thread. Sorry, folks.

R502 Yes. Lily and Kevin have shared scenes since his Poor Kevvie days when he committed statutory rape and gave her chlamydia.

Lily mentions her adult children once in a blue moon. Recall, not that long ago, she supposedly went to help Mattie with some personal problem (in Los Angeles). But since aging the twins was a mistake, it's probably best not to remind viewers about them. Perhaps Y&R can bring them back in a few years and say they're still Freshmen in college - as if their time off-screen simply stood still ... lol.

And no one, NO ONE (except Daniel Goddard) wants to remind us of "Ethan Atkinson 'Hurricane' Ashby" or whatever his name is supposed to be.

If they ever did bring the character back, I'd suggest they recast Cane with a handsome, fit-fat dude who checks in with Traci Abbott and decides to finally rock her world.

I bet Nikki will give the weisswurst some extra attention tonight after he gave her that god-awful necklace today.

Lol that hideous necklace will be perfect for their date nights at Society

shudders at R510

That weisswurst has long been overcooked, served with rotten cabbage and stinky sauerkraut!

After all these years, how can someone like Nikki be so impressed with jewelry? This is a woman who has had whatever she's wanted for 40 years. Her excitement at the necklace seemed odd.

R512 Just the way Nikki likes it!

Nikki always keeps her expensive jewelry and designer stilettos on when getting fucked.

I'm surprised Nikki resisted Rey. I mean, having a spicy chorizo like that vs. weak bratwurst had to be appealing.

r516 Not weak! You got that?

Rey really made me moister than a snack cake....down THERE!

r518 Crissy, put your Swiss Roll away.

They need a new name for the 50th. The Young? and the Rest Home. The Grand Phoenix needs to be converted into a retirement center.

Does Crimson Lights carry the appropriate licensing/insurance to function as Sharon's mental health counseling facility?

Case must be really sick of getting scripts that read:

SHARON IS WIPING DOWN TABLES AT CRIMSON LIGHTS, WEARING A $1300 SEQUIN WRAP DRESS FROM BLOOMINGDALES, WHEN _______________ COMES INTO THE COFFEE SHOPPE LOOKING DISTRAUGHT. SHARON APPROACHES ______________ AND ASKS THEM IF SOMETHING IS WRONG, OFFERING THEM A FRIENDLY EAR TO SPILL THEIR GUTS.

I guess a paycheck is a paycheck.

552 LOL!

She’s probably donating her check to Trump.

R491, R492, R493

you're on the wrong network

R506 is Wright. Um I mean Right.

Except Laura Wright was never a model. Snaggletoothed bitch used to make change at a gas station before she was "discovered"

^ If she worked at a gas station is that code for truck stop hooker?

No, literally her family's Speedway gas station in soggy ass backwater Maryland.

MCE is preggers again. Set to deliver in August. Maybe they can write Chelsea out for good this time. .. Faux Billy can leave with her to rest the character for awhile like they did after Ryan Brown and Scott Seymour didn't work.

[quote]Scott Seymour didn't work.

I liked Scott Seymour. I was hoping for Gay Billy.

Seymour was so bad that he was axed after just one, 13-week cycle. The message boards referred to him as "Billywood."

I think they just SORASed Genoa City by about 50 years yesterday .. lol!

Miss Piggy came in and told Victor that she and her planning committee were working on Genoa City's big Bicentennial Celebration.

Well, 200 years ago would be 1823, but during the Incredible & Amazing Rainbow Gardens storyline (1993), we heard from Katherine that Genoa City was founded by Civil War hero, Garfield Dandridge Chancellor ( PC2's grandfather) who came to the area after the war founded the city and built the mill and several buildings. One of these was Rainbow Gardens where the poor seniors facing eviction lived. Because of that fact, SuperBug was able to save the day and have Rainbow Gardens declared an historical landmark, thereby it couldn't be be demolished by the evil owner-landlord.

btw - Rainbow Gardens sounds like a development for retired elder gays, who are looking for a vintage, tasteful friends environment.

Continuity on Y&R is sacred R532.

ok... this is good news

How about original cast members still alive? Robert Colbert, Julianna McCarthy, James Houghnton, Janice Lynde are still with us.

Julianna McCarthy may be alive, but Liz Foster is dead to me.

BrendaD is waiting for her phone to ring.

Let's hope she's paid the bill and hasn't been disconnected.

But seriously, Y&R might get the most press over her return than anything this team can come up with.

[quote]Julianna McCarthy may be alive, but Liz Foster is dead to me.

One of the worst decisions the show ever made. Liz Foster added so much. No reason to kill her off.

R538, I agree 100%

They didn't think Jeanne's health issues would catch up with her?

Right now, Liz, Jill and Esther should be living in that mansion with Kay's portrait being used in every scene; the next generation is pitting against each other and the elders keep them in line.

Soaps 101.

JFP didn't understand the basics of soap storytelling.

There should have been a huge, years-long fight over Katherine's estate. Brock and Tucker should have come back to tiown to fight for it. MacKenzie should have returned to town to stake her claim on the house and the money. Other illegitimate children of Brock and Tucker should have shown up trying to get some of the billions.

All that conflict could have propelled the show for years and years.

Instead, Tucker doesn't even show up for the funeral. MacKenzie doesn't show up for the funeral and Devon gets all the money free and clear without anyone being upset, while Jill gets the house and Victor got Chancellor Industries.

and Esther got half the house and she doesn't live there anymore.

You are correct, R540, Jill does NOT know soaps.

I work in the biz and have been asked why I hate her. I do not. She's always been cordial and pleasant.

But what I do not care for is any show she ever produced.

R541 Esther didn't get half the house.

What Esther got was a monthly stipend of $20,000 on the condition that she stay on at the mansion and continue taking such loving care of it.

Jill got Katherine's half of the mansion to add to the half that Jill already owned herself, but it came with the stipulation that Jill had to remain there in perpetuity. Jill was upset because with no money given to her, she figured the upkeep and taxes on The Mausoleum would bankrupt her.

Doesn't Chance own the Chancellor estate?

R543 I think Jill just let grandson, Chance, live there with Blabby. Remember Chance used to live there when Billy owned the place as well. There was a time when Billy, Chance, and Cane were "batching" it there.

As I recall, Jill bought the Estate back from Billy after he got back together with Bortoria.

Remember, when Jackie wanted to exhume Phillip's body to see if Phillip was his daddy for a DNA test, he was going to have to sue Jill to do it. (JaBottom ended up digging it up .. lol)

And I remember when Jill hired Billy and Lily to run Chancecom, they were originally working out of the Chancellor Estate, but the two of them told Jill that they couldn't continue to run the business from HER home.

JaBottom wore the used tank top from when he and Theo went to a Palm Springs White Party.

I’d love to see Brendad return as a different character, even if it was short-term. I do think there’d be some interest there.

That HOMOEROTIC scene between JaBottom and Adam today .....

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JaBottom: You didn't get everything off your chest yesterday?

Adam: It seems like YOU need to get something off YOUR chest.

JaBottom: (Only if it's your cum sprayed all over it!)

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Adam: Well, you got what you wanted.

Kyle: Why doesn't it feel that way?

Adam: (uhh .. Probably because your hole is still twitching and looking to get filled?)

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Adam: Just so you're clear, there are no hard feelings on my part.

JaBottom: And I have no feelings about you one way or another. (But about that "hard" part ....)

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Adam: Okay, consider me off your plate.

JaBottom: (And consider me your three-course meal ... always douched and ready to serve!)

Was Vail always this bad her first time around? I remember liking her... maybe it's just because she hasn't acted in a while. I can't believe the Staff allowed having her grandchild on screen... I bet she will not have lots of scenes with Lucy and if she does... I bet she doesn't call her grandma

R548 Yes, Bloom was always pretty bad (made worse by the drugs, I imagine). I remember message boards making fun of the way she sounded (like a honking goose). .. I actually think she's improved some here. She is nice to look at, though. I kind of chuckle when people say she's the best Heather. Well, I suppose, since Riegel was totally miscast, and Landon only lasted 26-weeks, and probably should have been paired with Chloe instead of Daniel, which would have freed up both Daniel and Kevin to explore things.

God the boring people they are bringing back for the 50th!! Gina - Patty Weaver is about 75 now, and weighs 200 lbs, Danny, the insipid Michael Damian, Nina - who cares, and Tara Lipinski as Dr. Marnie Kowalski. Maybe Johnny Weir can play Brooks Prentiss? No Chris and Snapper, Lorie, Leslie, Sally, Greg!!!

[quote] No Chris and Snapper, Lorie, Leslie, Sally, Greg!!!

They're all in their mid-70s as well. And Chris probably weighs more than Gina. She looked like she was nearing 200 lbs back in '84 at Niktor's first wedding. She might be in Chrissy Metz territory by now.

WELL HELLO!!!!!!!!

At this point, I think I'd rather see BrendaD than Jess Walton's mug on ZOOM any more.

[quote] Patty Weaver is about 75 now, and weighs 200 lbs

Gosh, I'll look positively svelte beside her!

I remember Weaver had gained some weight even she was still on Y&R regularly, but she didn't look that heavy when Wesley Eure posted a photo with her just five months ago.

On another note, I guess now that her homophobic husband is dead, she can be seen with gay guys again.

Weaver like most actresses, lied about her age for years. She was 28 playing 17 year old Trish Clayton on DOOL, and she looked young and sweet back then. She had been on an episode of All In The Family before DOOL, in a Gloria finds women's lib. She let her Days popularity go to her head, and when she was re-negotiating her contract, she made crazy demands over money and primetime specials showcasing her singing career. She came back to DOOL briefly, with her tail between her legs.

Queen Crissy!

Christian's never really hidden it, has he?

Well, this is DL; if you're out, you're a queen, if you're not, you're a self-loathing closet case.

The gays really can't win.

I agree on the five returns; they photos they released are all 15-20+ years old.

But there's no STORY at Y&R. I heard they may some writing staff changes (but Josh is still HW); the folks in charge don't know what a soap opera is. So they don't know how to fix this.

The show's going to limp along. Somewhere, Bill's both shaking his head and laughing his ass off that they can't do the show nearly as good without him.

R558 I think they need some fresh blood there for sure. But the network and Bell Company are as much to blame as the writing team itself.

Leanna's a fun character. That's about it.

And of course, NIna should already have shown up a couple months ago when Chance gave Blabby the boot for fucking DuhVon.

We've already seen Danny recently; he and Gina will probably sing a song. That gets fraus excited.

Faux Mamie? Whatever.

I would like to see more JaBottom without his shirt on

Let me guess. Chrissy isn’t wearing pants in the car pic and those guys are doing what I think they’re doing.

[quote] I would like to see more JaBottom without his pants on.

Fixed.

I watched a few eps last week to see the Daniel/Heather/Lucy scenes and happened to watch the Kyle scenes and fuck.. MM is flaming

MM is engaged. But, as Joan Rivers said about marriage, grow up! means NOTH(ING!

I could have sworn a slew of ABC boys got married in the mid-2000s after Jonathan B. left AMC.

Mealor totally pings. In fact, not since Jean Paul Lavoisier has a young soap stud pinged quite as much to me.

MM's probably getting married, because that will mean Swicklor can hang out together again and not look suspicious. The wives can go shopping, while the bros polish their tools in the garage.

I 100% ship that, support that, and would pay to watch that, R567 .

Swicky topping Mikey is better than any Sean Cody clip evah!

Swicky doesn't look huge but you know it's nice, tight and veiny - and shoots like a geyser!

I thought is was rather clever having both of Sally's fantasies play out regarding the baby's paternity. That was a nice bit of storytelling.

Just the opposite here. I don't care who Sally's baby daddy is, so the entire episode was a borefest. Plus, there's really no drama at all unless it's Adam's.

I was hoping that during the last minute of it, Sally would think back and suddenly realize that the hotel maintenance man who came in to repair the hot water control on her bathroom shower might also be the father.

Maybe Sally can give the baby to the lezzies?

The baby should be Adam's and Sally lies to Nick. Of course this being today's Y & R it will be Nick's. Snoooooooze

The funny thing about R567 is that the two of them becoming "Next Door Buddies" was actually signaled at the very end of an interview that Swickard gave to SOD not long after he joined GH:

[quote] Josh Swickard’s Hollywood journey has been paralleled by his good pal, Michael Mealor, who recently debuted on Y&R as Kyle. “When I was 19, I moved out to L.A. for three months just to sign with reps,” he sets up. “I walked into Wilhelmina to sign a contract with a print agent and I was joking with the booker, like, ‘You know, y’all are lucky you caught me because I was about to join the military’ — I secretly have always wanted to join the military and still do — and this dude behind me with, like, a big, thick Southern accent was like, ‘No way, me, too! But my mama wouldn’t let me!’ I turned around and it was Michael. He is from Atlanta and he was [also new to L.A.] and honestly, ever since then, which was seven or eight years ago, we’ve been best buds.” When Swickard became a spin instructor at SoulCycle, “I made him take my very first class and then two weeks later, he went through the training and became an instructor. Then I booked GH and literally three weeks later, he booked Y&R. I was like, ‘Well, okay, we’ll just keep doing things together!’ The next stage of our life, whatever it is, we’ll hit a fork in the road, hopefully. Either that or we’ll get married at the same time and move into houses next to each other and just keep it going!” ___ SOD May 31, 2018

Just part of the long-term plan ... hahaha.

^^^

Also, back then, they didn't get their stories 'straight' for the press about how/when they met. During MM's interview with the magazine, he indicated that he and JS already knew each other and came out to L.A. together when they were 17.

[quote] SOD: Who do you text with the most? MM: “That’s a tie between my girlfriend and my best friend, Josh Swickard — he’s on GENERAL HOSPITAL [as Chase]. We’ve been best friends since we were 17. We came out to L.A. together, found the same part-time jobs together and now we’re both on soaps. My girlfriend actually makes fun of how much we text.” ___ SOD June 19. 2018

Yikes

From Sara Bibel

that's crazy

Sounds like what Pete Lemay did the year before he left Another World.

I guess it can be done. Gawd knows YR isn't really working off any long term plans these days, none of the shows really are.

And what was 48-50 minutes in Lemay's day is now 35, so......

I always thought Bibel was the Story Editor, since her name appears in the opening credits of every episode right before the breakdown writer and script writer which change daily. .. Maybe JG doesn't need an editor either LOLOL.

Two of the writers doing breakdowns recently are pretty new to Y&R (Marin Gazzaniga and Simone Hawthorne). Before this gig, neither had standard daytime experience. Gazzaniga did episodes for the Prospect Park reboot of OLTL on Hulu, and Hawthorne came from that canceled cable soap, Ambitions.

Feel bad about Natalie Minardi Slater.

I feel bad for them too.

I always wanted to be a soap writer but...these shows aren't what they were and haven't been for a long, long time.

I wonder if Brad Bell will throw any of them lifelines. He did that with some of his dad's old cronies after Babs Bloom came in and ABC-ified Y&R.

I don't know how Y&R remains No. 1 and hasn't slipped into the ratings sewer. I was watching Pluto and they had on a rerun of Y&R a year or so ago; Burgi's Ashland is telling wife Tara that he's getting treatment for cancer.

Later, we learn Josh Lewis Ashland never had cancer.

They can't keep a story straight.

R525 That's right, that's Wright that they were referring to lol who was never really the best at acting, however she has maintained a steady career in soaps since 1991.

R526 Exactly lol Loving was her big break from the mundane life she left behind as the reigning princess of propane.

Ironically, she almost landed on this very show. When JFP was still EP, she informed LW (in 2016) that she would bring her over to Y&R when LW's contract with GH was up in the Fall of 2017 (similarly to how JFP promised to bring her to GH when LW's contract with GL was up in the Fall of 2005). LW was all for it, there was speculation she would've been Nikki's niece (via Casey Reed) or connected to another family, which would've opened the door for a possible relationship with Nikki's son, Dylan, reuniting her with Steve Burton. However, Jill's firing in the Fall of 2016 prevented her from jumping ship, so she stayed at GH (Frank Valentini was all set to bring back Tamara Braun as Carly when he caught wind of her planning to vacate, so that's why Tamara came in as Kim Nero in the Fall of 2017, for he still wanted to bring her on, even though it was no longer as Carly).

R573 Now MM's story of how they met almost exactly aligns with how JS says it lol could it be it's been so long, MM thought they came to LA together? Lol jkjk. It's interesting how they were both born in the same year (1992) on significant days (MM 02/29/92, JS 07/04/92) were models, soap actors....they sound like they were destined to be in each other's orbit, almost like soulmates of some sort 😆 😆

R583 MM also gave two stories of how he got into modeling. In one, he says he was still in high school and walking into the local gym back in his home town with his buddy, and some guy scouted him.. (Oh honey, we've all been there!). .. In another version, he said he was at Auburn University riding a stationary bike, and the guy on the bike next to him asked him if he'd ever considered modeling and invited him to a model showcase in Florida. ( Sounds like a pick-up line... LOL!) .. He even added that at first he thought it was a little creepy, but the guy turned out to be legit.

Y&R is what, 4 or 5 weeks ahead from production to air? I can't wait to see the garbage Griffith puts out. He must have a ton of dirt on Steve Kent.

R580, I believe Slater has been around since 1991?

There’s no way JG can do the job of all of those people. I can’t believe Sony allowed this.

Sally's fire crotch has set Genoa City, and Crimson Lights on fire. Who knew that just a few short years ago, a character who chained a woman to a radiator in Los Angeles would hold hostage so many powerful men with her fruitful womb. Did TGVN also throw a seed in the mix?

[quote]Did TGVN also throw a seed in the mix?

"Genetic material," don't you mean?

[quote]I guess it can be done. Gawd knows YR isn't really working off any long term plans these days, none of the shows really are.

DAYS tried it in 2008. The experiment only lasted for a few months before they hired more writers.

I'm shaking my head at the idea that Josh Griffth --- JOSH GRIFFITH -- is the one still standing after the recent massacres at Y&R.

First Tony Morina is ousted as EP and now the breakdown writers are gone. And Josh Griffith is the one who's still with the show????

Are we in a Bizarro World where everything is backwards? To think that Tony Morina and the breakdown writers were the problem with Y&R is Bizarro thinking.

Steve Kent at Sony has always seemed like a smart guy. Has always made good decisions in the past. Scratching my head on this one, however. Josh Griffith must really have good dirt on him.

I assume Amanda Beall is still going to be part of this "writing team." .. I see she was recently given a Producer's credit as well.

[quote] Sally's fire crotch has set Genoa City, and Crimson Lights on fire.

Does Sally dye her crotch that color as well?

Josh Griffith is the new Tyler Perry. He can do it all!

Josh Griffith will drive Y&R to its death.

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A toast to whatever Brendad is sticking in her cooze at Gelson's!

I'm still dead bitches!

I AM KING!

Buh

Bye!